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How does this action plan address the 43 this action plan address the 43 recommendations this action plan address the 43 recommendations from this action plan address the 43 recommendations from the this action plan address the 43 recommendations from the select recommendations from the select committee recommendations from the select committee inquiry recommendations from the select committee inquiry last recommendations from the select committee inquiry last term recommendations from the select committee inquiry last term inst committee inquiry last term inst gated committee inquiry last term inst gated by committee inquiry last term inst gated by former committee inquiry last term inst gated by former Green committee inquiry last term inst gated by former Green MP committee inquiry last term inst gated by former Green MP Catherine gated by former Green MP Catherine Delahunty gated by former Green MP Catherine Delahunty I gated by former Green MP Catherine Delahunty I thank gated by former Green MP Catherine Delahunty I thank the gated by former Green MP Catherine Delahunty I thank the member gated by former Green MP Catherine Delahunty I thank the member for gated by former Green MP Catherine Delahunty I thank the member for her Delahunty I thank the member for her question. 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Mr Speaker, we want to be able to identify earlier want to be able to identify earlier if want to be able to identify earlier if a want to be able to identify earlier if a child want to be able to identify earlier if a child needs want to be able to identify earlier if a child needs learning want to be able to identify earlier if a child needs learning support want to be able to identify earlier if a child needs learning support so if a child needs learning support so that if a child needs learning support so that we if a child needs learning support so that we can if a child needs learning support so that we can respond if a child needs learning support so that we can respond earlier if a child needs learning support so that we can respond earlier to if a child needs learning support so that we can respond earlier to their that we can respond earlier to their needs. that we can respond earlier to their needs. This that we can respond earlier to their needs. 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This will reduce negative impacts on their learning and for impacts on their learning and for some impacts on their learning and for some children impacts on their learning and for some children and impacts on their learning and for some children and young impacts on their learning and for some children and young people, impacts on their learning and for some children and young people, the some children and young people, the need some children and young people, the need for some children and young people, the need for more some children and young people, the need for more serious some children and young people, the need for more serious interventions need for more serious interventions later need for more serious interventions later on. need for more serious interventions later on. The need for more serious interventions later on. The focus need for more serious interventions later on. The focus on need for more serious interventions later on. The focus on screening later on. 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She got it writ eventually. Question No.6. 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That fishery is of great social economic and Tarakihi stocks. That fishery is of great social economic and fishery Tarakihi stocks. That fishery is of great social economic and fishery to great social economic and fishery to New great social economic and fishery to New Zealanders great social economic and fishery to New Zealanders and great social economic and fishery to New Zealanders and approximately New Zealanders and approximately 90% New Zealanders and approximately New Zealanders and approximately 90% of what New Zealanders and approximately 90% of what is New Zealanders and approximately 90% of what is caught New Zealanders and approximately 90% of what is caught commercially New Zealanders and approximately 90% of what is caught commercially is of what is caught commercially is sold of what is caught commercially is sold within of what is caught commercially is sold within our of what is caught commercially is sold within our supermarkets of what is caught commercially is sold within our supermarkets and sold within our supermarkets and stores sold within our supermarkets and sold sold within our supermarkets and stores throughout the sold within our supermarkets and stores throughout the country. sold within our supermarkets and stores throughout the country. 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I have decided on a package of have decided on a package of measures have decided on a package of measures that have decided on a package of measures that is have decided on a package of measures that is required to have decided on a package of measures that is required to get measures that is required to get this measures that is required to get this important measures that is required to get this important fishery measures that is required to get this important fishery back measures that is required to get this important fishery back to measures that is required to get this important fishery back to where this important fishery back to where it this important fishery back to where it needs this important fishery back to where it needs to this important fishery back to where it needs to be. this important fishery back to where it needs to be. I this important fishery back to where it needs to be. I have this important fishery back to where it needs to be. I have decided this important fishery back to where it needs to be. I have decided on this important fishery back to where it needs to be. I have decided on a it needs to be. I have decided on a phased it needs to be. I have decided on a phased approach it needs to be. I have decided on a phased approach beginning it needs to be. I have decided on a phased approach beginning with it needs to be. I have decided on a phased approach beginning with a it needs to be. I have decided on a phased approach beginning with a 20% phased approach beginning with a 20% catch phased approach beginning with a 20% catch reduction phased approach beginning with a 20% catch reduction in phased approach beginning with a 20% catch reduction in the phased approach beginning with a 20% catch reduction in the first phased approach beginning with a 20% catch reduction in the first year. catch reduction in the first year. The catch reduction in the first year. The commercial catch reduction in the first year. The commercial industry catch reduction in the first year. The commercial industry has catch reduction in the first year. The commercial industry has been The commercial industry has been given The commercial industry has been given 8 The commercial industry has been given 8 months The commercial industry has been given 8 months to The commercial industry has been given 8 months to develop The commercial industry has been given 8 months to develop and The commercial industry has been given 8 months to develop and begin given 8 months to develop and begin executing given 8 months to develop and begin executing an given 8 months to develop and begin executing an innovative given 8 months to develop and begin executing an innovative land given 8 months to develop and begin executing an innovative land to executing an innovative land to rebuild executing an innovative land to executing executing an innovative land to rebuild the stock. executing an innovative land to rebuild the stock. 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The October 2019 fishing year. The decision October 2019 fishing year. The decision I October 2019 fishing year. The decision I have October 2019 fishing year. The decision I have made October 2019 fishing year. The decision I have made reflects October 2019 fishing year. The decision I have made reflects my decision I have made reflects my desire decision I have made reflects my desire to decision I have made reflects my desire to increase decision I have made reflects my desire to increase the decision I have made reflects my desire to increase the benefits desire to increase the benefits obtained desire to increase the benefits obtained from desire to increase the benefits obtained from New desire to increase the benefits obtained from New Zealand's obtained from New Zealand's fisheries obtained from New Zealand's fisheries whilst obtained from New Zealand's fisheries whilst ensuring fisheries whilst ensuring sustainability fisheries whilst ensuring sustainability and fisheries whilst ensuring sustainability and working sustainability and working proactively sustainability and working proactively with sustainability and working proactively with all sustainability and working proactively with all key proactively with all key stakeholders. proactively with all key stakeholders. 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Mr Speaker, 85% of our total seefood export volume our fisheries? Mr Speaker, 85% of our total seefood export volume is our total seefood export volume is made our total seefood export volume is sustainability our total seefood export volume is made up of our total seefood export volume is made up of wild our total seefood export volume is made up of wild captured our total seefood export volume is made up of wild captured fish. our total seefood export volume is made up of wild captured fish. We made up of wild captured fish. We hold made up of wild captured fish. We hold about made up of wild captured fish. We hold about 0.5% made up of wild captured fish. We hold about 0.5% share made up of wild captured fish. We hold about 0.5% share of made up of wild captured fish. We hold about 0.5% share of total hold about 0.5% share of total global hold about 0.5% share of total global production. hold about 0.5% share of total global production. Consumers hold about 0.5% share of total global production. Consumers in hold about 0.5% share of total global production. Consumers in key global production. Consumers in key markets global production. Consumers in key markets are global production. Consumers in key markets are increasingly global production. Consumers in key markets are increasingly demanding markets are increasingly demanding environmental markets are increasingly demanding environmental sustainability markets are increasingly demanding environmental sustainability and environmental sustainability and veracity environmental sustainability and veracity of environmental sustainability and veracity of our environmental sustainability and veracity of our seafood environmental sustainability and veracity of our seafood products. environmental sustainability and veracity of our seafood products. In veracity of our seafood products. In order veracity of our seafood products. In order to veracity of our seafood products. In order to maintain veracity of our seafood products. In order to maintain and veracity of our seafood products. In order to maintain and enhance veracity of our seafood products. In order to maintain and enhance our order to maintain and enhance our global order to maintain and enhance our global brand, order to maintain and enhance our global brand, it order to maintain and enhance our global brand, it is order to maintain and enhance our global brand, it is important order to maintain and enhance our global brand, it is important that global brand, it is important that we global brand, it is important that we develop global brand, it is important that we develop and global brand, it is important that we develop and facilitate global brand, it is important that we develop and facilitate the global brand, it is important that we develop and facilitate the use global brand, it is important that we develop and facilitate the use of we develop and facilitate the use of innovative we develop and facilitate the use of innovative gear we develop and facilitate the use of innovative gear technology we develop and facilitate the use of innovative gear technology such we develop and facilitate the use of innovative gear technology such as innovative gear technology such as precision innovative gear technology such as precision seafood innovative gear technology such as precision seafood harvesting innovative gear technology such as precision seafood harvesting that precision seafood harvesting that has precision seafood harvesting that has the precision seafood harvesting that has the potential precision seafood harvesting that has the potential to precision seafood harvesting that has the potential to reduce precision seafood harvesting that has the potential to reduce buy has the potential to reduce buy catch has the potential to reduce buy catch and has the potential to reduce buy catch and minimise has the potential to reduce buy catch and minimise badge has the potential to reduce buy catch and minimise badge to has the potential to reduce buy catch and minimise badge to fish. catch and minimise badge to fish. Electronic catch and minimise badge to fish. innovative catch and minimise badge to fish. Electronic supporting will catch and minimise badge to fish. Electronic supporting will enable Electronic supporting will enable more Electronic supporting will enable more informed Electronic supporting will enable more informed decisions Electronic supporting will enable more informed decisions about more informed decisions about managing more informed decisions about managing our more informed decisions about managing our fisheries more informed decisions about managing our fisheries to more informed decisions about managing our fisheries to maximise managing our fisheries to maximise the managing our fisheries to maximise managing managing our fisheries to maximise the recreational, cultural, the recreational, cultural, commercial the recreational, cultural, commercial and the recreational, cultural, commercial and environmental the recreational, cultural, commercial and environmental value. commercial and environmental value. Question commercial and environmental value. Question Number commercial and environmental value. Question Number 10. Question Question Number Question Number 10. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Energy My question is to the Minister of Energy and My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources: My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Has My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Has she My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Has she seen Energy and Resources: Has she seen MBIE Energy and Resources: Has she seen MBIE advice Energy and Resources: Has she seen MBIE advice that Energy and Resources: Has she seen MBIE advice that her Energy and Resources: Has she seen MBIE advice that her Government's MBIE advice that her Government's policy MBIE advice that her Government's policy to MBIE advice that her Government's policy to end MBIE advice that her Government's policy to end offshore MBIE advice that her Government's policy to end offshore oil MBIE advice that her Government's policy to end offshore oil and MBIE advice that her Government's policy to end offshore oil and gas policy to end offshore oil and gas exploration policy to end offshore oil and gas exploration may policy to end offshore oil and gas exploration may "result policy to end offshore oil and gas exploration may "result in policy to end offshore oil and gas exploration may "result in an exploration may "result in an increase exploration may "result in an increase in exploration may "result in an increase in global exploration may "result in an increase in global greenhouse exploration may "result in an increase in global greenhouse gas increase in global greenhouse gas emissions"? 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Does she agree with MBIE advice that her policy to ban MBIE advice that her policy to ban new MBIE advice that her policy to ban new offshore MBIE advice that her policy to ban new offshore exploration MBIE advice that her policy to ban new offshore exploration could new offshore exploration could increase new offshore exploration could increase the new offshore exploration could increase the price new offshore exploration could increase the price of new offshore exploration could increase the price of both new offshore exploration could increase the price of both gas new offshore exploration could increase the price of both gas and increase the price of both gas and electricity increase the price of both gas and electricity for increase the price of both gas and electricity for New increase the price of both gas and electricity for New Zealand electricity for New Zealand households electricity for New Zealand households and electricity for New Zealand households and if electricity for New Zealand households and if not, electricity for New Zealand households and if not, why electricity for New Zealand households and if not, why not? electricity for New Zealand households and if not, why not? 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How move to 100% renewable electricity. How much move to 100% renewable electricity. How much will move to 100% renewable electricity. How much will electricity move to 100% renewable electricity. How much will electricity and move to 100% renewable electricity. 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I can confirm that the plan has existed confirm that the plan has existed since confirm that the plan has existed since 1993 confirm that the plan has existed since 1993 and confirm that the plan has existed since 1993 and there confirm that the plan has existed since 1993 and there have confirm that the plan has existed since 1993 and there have been confirm that the plan has existed since 1993 and there have been no since 1993 and there have been no changes since 1993 and there have been no changes under since 1993 and there have been no changes under this since 1993 and there have been no changes under this Government since 1993 and there have been no changes under this Government or since 1993 and there have been no changes under this Government or the changes under this Government or the former changes under this Government or the former National changes under this Government or the former National Government. changes under this Government or the former National Government. 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The former National Government did very little Government did very little monitoring. Government did very little monitoring. The Government did very little monitoring. The department Government did very little monitoring. The department is Government did very little monitoring. The department is now monitoring. The department is now consulting monitoring. The department is now monitoring. monitoring. The department is now consulting with stakeholders consulting with stakeholders <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! I <INTERRUPTION> Order! I think <INTERRUPTION> Order! I think members <INTERRUPTION> Order! I think members know <INTERRUPTION> Order! I think members know we <INTERRUPTION> Order! I think members know we can't Order! I think members know we can't use Order! I think members know we can't use supplementaries Order! I think members know we can't use supplementaries from Order! I think members know we can't use supplementaries from the use supplementaries from the Government use supplementaries from the Government to use supplementaries from the Government to attack use supplementaries from the Government to attack the use supplementaries from the Government to attack the opposition. Government to attack the opposition. In Government to attack the opposition. In that Government to attack the opposition. In that way. Government to attack the opposition. In that way. Question Government to attack the opposition. In that way. Question No.12. Government Government to Government to attack Government to attack the Government to attack the opposition. Government to attack the opposition. In Government to attack the opposition. In that Government to attack the opposition. In that way. Government to attack the opposition. In that way. Question Government to attack the opposition. In that way. Question No.12. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for the My question is to the Minister for the Community My question is to the Minister for the Community and My question is to the Minister for the Community and Voluntary My question is to the Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector: the Community and Voluntary Sector: In the Community and Voluntary Sector: What recent announcement the Community and Voluntary Sector: What recent announcement has the Community and Voluntary Sector: What recent announcement has he the Community and Voluntary Sector: What recent announcement has he made What recent announcement has he made on What recent announcement has he made on the What recent announcement has he made on the Community What recent announcement has he made on the Community Leadership What recent announcement has he made on the Community Leadership Fund? INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Thank INTERPRETER: Thank you, INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Last INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Last week, INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Last week, I INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Last week, I was INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Last week, I was proud INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Last week, I was proud to INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Last week, I was proud to announce Last week, I was proud to announce the Last week, I was proud to announce the successful Last week, I was proud to announce the successful resipents Last week, I was proud to announce the successful resipents of Last week, I was proud to announce the successful resipents of this the successful resipents of this year's the successful resipents of this year's Community the successful resipents of this year's Community Leadership the successful resipents of this year's Community Leadership Fund. year's Community Leadership Fund. The year's Community Leadership Fund. The Community year's Community Leadership Fund. The Community Leadership year's Community Leadership Fund. The Community Leadership Fund, year's Community Leadership Fund. The Community Leadership Fund, worth The Community Leadership Fund, worth $500,000 The Community Leadership Fund, worth $500,000 offers The Community Leadership Fund, worth $500,000 offers grants The Community Leadership Fund, worth $500,000 offers grants to $500,000 offers grants to $500,000 offers grants to $500,000 offers grants to not-for-profit organisations $500,000 offers grants to not-for-profit organisations with $500,000 offers grants to not-for-profit organisations with a not-for-profit organisations with a focus not-for-profit organisations with a focus on not-for-profit organisations with a focus on providing not-for-profit organisations with a focus on providing leadership not-for-profit organisations with a focus on providing leadership and focus on providing leadership and focus on providing leadership and focus on providing leadership and capability either focus on providing leadership and capability either across focus on providing leadership and capability either across the focus on providing leadership and capability either across the whole capability either across the whole community capability either across the whole community or capability either across the whole community or voluntary capability either across the whole community or voluntary sector capability either across the whole community or voluntary sector or community or voluntary sector or within community or voluntary sector or within a community or voluntary sector or within a specific community or voluntary sector or within a specific interest community or voluntary sector or within a specific interest area community or voluntary sector or within a specific interest area of within a specific interest area of the within a specific interest area of the community within a specific interest area of the community and within a specific interest area of the community and voluntary within a specific interest area of the community and voluntary sector. the community and voluntary sector. This the community and voluntary sector. This announcement the community and voluntary sector. This announcement was the community and voluntary sector. This announcement was welcomed the community and voluntary sector. This announcement was welcomed by This announcement was welcomed by the This announcement was welcomed by the community This announcement was welcomed by the community sector This announcement was welcomed by the community sector who This announcement was welcomed by the community sector who work the community sector who work tirelessly the community sector who work tirelessly to the community sector who work tirelessly to support the community sector who work tirelessly to support our tirelessly to support our communities. tirelessly to support our communities. What tirelessly to support our communities. What are tirelessly to support our communities. What are the tirelessly to support our communities. What are the outcomes communities. What are the outcomes communities. What are the outcomes communities. What are the outcomes we can communities. What are the outcomes we can expect communities. What are the outcomes we can expect from communities. What are the outcomes we can expect from this communities. What are the outcomes we can expect from this fund? communities. What are the outcomes we can expect from this fund? The we can expect from this fund? The outcomes we can expect from this fund? The outcomes that we can expect from this fund? The outcomes that are we can expect from this fund? The outcomes that are expected we can expect from this fund? The outcomes that are expected as we can expect from this fund? 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