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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. No No papers No papers or No papers or select No papers or select committee No papers or select committee reports No papers or select committee reports have No papers or select committee reports have been No papers or select committee reports have been presented No papers or select committee reports have been presented and No papers or select committee reports have been presented and no reports have been presented and no reports have been presented and no reports have been presented and no bills introduced. A A petition A petition has A petition has been A petition has been delivered A petition has been delivered to A petition has been delivered to the A petition has been delivered to the Clerk A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for presentation. to the Clerk for presentation. Petition to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of Lisa to the Clerk for presentation. 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Petition of Lisa Er requesting that Petition of Lisa Er requesting that the Petition of Lisa Er requesting that the House Petition of Lisa Er requesting that the House undertake Petition of Lisa Er requesting that the House undertake an Petition of Lisa Er requesting that the House undertake an urgent the House undertake an urgent inquiry the House undertake an urgent inquiry into the House undertake an urgent inquiry into whether the House undertake an urgent inquiry into whether Auckland inquiry into whether Auckland Council inquiry into whether Auckland Council has inquiry into whether Auckland Council has failed inquiry into whether Auckland Council has failed to inquiry into whether Auckland Council has failed to comply inquiry into whether Auckland Council has failed to comply with Council has failed to comply with the Council has failed to comply with the statutory Council has failed to comply with the statutory requirements Council has failed to comply with the statutory requirements of the statutory requirements of section the statutory requirements of section 17(1) the statutory requirements of section 17(1) of the statutory requirements of section 17(1) of the the statutory requirements of section 17(1) of the Public the statutory requirements of section 17(1) of the Public Records section 17(1) of the Public Records Act section 17(1) of the Public Records Act 2005. 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Last week's GDP that demonstrate it to be in good health. Last week's GDP numbers health. Last week's GDP numbers showed health. Last week's GDP numbers showed real health. Last week's GDP numbers showed real - health. Last week's GDP numbers showed real - solid health. Last week's GDP numbers showed real - solid real health. Last week's GDP numbers showed real - solid real growth health. Last week's GDP numbers showed real - solid real growth of showed real - solid real growth of 1% showed real - solid real growth of 1% for showed real - solid real growth of 1% for the showed real - solid real growth of 1% for the quarter, showed real - solid real growth of 1% for the quarter, the showed real - solid real growth of 1% for the quarter, the strongest 1% for the quarter, the strongest quarterly 1% for the quarter, the strongest quarterly result 1% for the quarter, the strongest quarterly result since 1% for the quarter, the strongest quarterly result since June 1% for the quarter, the strongest quarterly result since June 2016, quarterly result since June 2016, and quarterly result since June 2016, and higher quarterly result since June 2016, and higher than quarterly result since June 2016, and higher than Australia. quarterly result since June 2016, and higher than Australia. Growth and higher than Australia. Growth was and higher than Australia. 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I'd also note that business investment is up note that business investment is up by note that business investment is up by 0.7% note that business investment is up by 0.7% on note that business investment is up by 0.7% on a note that business investment is up by 0.7% on a year note that business investment is up by 0.7% on a year ago, note that business investment is up by 0.7% on a year ago, largely by 0.7% on a year ago, largely driven by 0.7% on a year ago, largely driven by by 0.7% on a year ago, largely driven by investment by 0.7% on a year ago, largely driven by investment the by 0.7% on a year ago, largely driven by investment the productive driven by investment the productive economy, driven by investment the productive economy, investment driven by investment the productive economy, investment in driven by investment the productive economy, investment in plant, economy, investment in plant, machinery economy, investment in plant, machinery and economy, investment in plant, machinery and equipment. economy, investment in plant, machinery and equipment. 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Measures confidence, up 12 points on the August result. Measures of August result. Measures of businesses August result. Measures of interesting August result. Measures of businesses own activity August result. Measures of businesses own activity rose August result. Measures of businesses own activity rose by August result. Measures of businesses own activity rose by 4% businesses own activity rose by 4% businesses own activity rose by 4% businesses own activity rose by 4% to a businesses own activity rose by 4% to a net businesses own activity rose by 4% to a net 8% businesses own activity rose by 4% to a net 8% of businesses own activity rose by 4% to a net 8% of firms businesses own activity rose by 4% to a net 8% of firms expecting to a net 8% of firms expecting improved to a net 8% of firms expecting improved conditions. to a net 8% of firms expecting improved conditions. While to a net 8% of firms expecting improved conditions. While I to a net 8% of firms expecting improved conditions. While I welcome improved conditions. While I welcome this improved conditions. While I welcome this improved improved conditions. While I welcome this improved business improved conditions. While I welcome this improved business confidence, improved conditions. While I welcome improved improved conditions. While I welcome on this side improved conditions. While I welcome on this side of improved conditions. While I welcome on this side of the improved conditions. While I welcome on this side of the House improved conditions. While I welcome on this side of the House we improved conditions. 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In been able to move the date so much further forward. In fact, been able to move the date so much further forward. In fact, I been able to move the date so much further forward. In fact, I will further forward. In fact, I will hold further forward. In fact, I will hold my further forward. In fact, I will hold my breath, further forward. In fact, I will hold my breath, because further forward. In fact, I will hold my breath, because it further forward. In fact, I will hold my breath, because it is further forward. In fact, I will hold my breath, because it is not hold my breath, because it is not very hold my breath, because it is not very far hold my breath, because it is not very far away. hold my breath, because it is not very far away. Is hold my breath, because it is not very far away. Is 72 hold my breath, because it is not very far away. Is 72 days hold my breath, because it is not very far away. Is 72 days a hold my breath, because it is not very far away. 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Will the PM release every communication she has release every communication she has had release every communication she has had with release every communication she has had with Derek release every communication she has had with Derek Handley release every communication she has had with Derek Handley since had with Derek Handley since becoming had with Derek Handley since becoming PM had with Derek Handley since becoming PM to had with Derek Handley since becoming PM to clear had with Derek Handley since becoming PM to clear up had with Derek Handley since becoming PM to clear up the becoming PM to clear up the becoming PM to clear up the becoming PM to clear up the suspicion over becoming PM to clear up the suspicion over the becoming PM to clear up the suspicion over the extent becoming PM to clear up the suspicion over the extent and becoming PM to clear up the suspicion over the extent and the suspicion over the extent and the nature suspicion over the extent and the nature of suspicion over the extent and the nature of their suspicion over the extent and the nature of their discussions? suspicion over the extent and the nature of their discussions? 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Kia ora, Mr Speaker. the $1 billion funds in the regions. Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Supplementary. Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Supplementary. Is Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Supplementary. Is it Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Supplementary. Is it bringing Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Supplementary. Is it bringing mana Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Supplementary. Is it bringing mana in mahi Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Supplementary. 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What message does he think it sends What message does he think it sends to What message does he think it sends to young What message does he think it sends to young people What message does he think it sends to young people who What message does he think it sends to young people who are What message does he think it sends to young people who are looking What message does he think it sends to young people who are looking for to young people who are looking for work to young people who are looking for work when to young people who are looking for work when an to young people who are looking for work when an employer to young people who are looking for work when an employer with to young people who are looking for work when an employer with all to young people who are looking for work when an employer with all the work when an employer with all the power work when an employer with all the power is work when an employer with all the power is supported work when an employer with all the power is supported and work when an employer with all the power is supported and believed power is supported and believed ahead power is supported and believed ahead of power is supported and believed ahead of an power is supported and believed ahead of an employee? 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Wellington Hospital group and receivo are finalising cracks. 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Why respect, integrity and honesty and to help sustain tenancies. Why is to help sustain tenancies. Why is the to help sustain tenancies. Why is the Government to help sustain tenancies. Why is the Government enshrining to help sustain tenancies. Why is the Government enshrining these the Government enshrining these objectives the Government enshrining these objectives in the Government enshrining these objectives in legislation? the Government enshrining these objectives in legislation? Housing objectives in legislation? Housing New objectives in legislation? Housing New Zealand's objectives in legislation? Housing New Zealand's report objectives in legislation? 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This ignored tenant wellbeing. This legislation ignored tenant wellbeing. This legislation will ignored tenant wellbeing. This legislation will prevent ignored tenant wellbeing. This legislation will prevent future legislation will prevent future Governments legislation will prevent future Governments from legislation will prevent future Governments from instructing legislation will prevent future Governments from instructing Housing Governments from instructing Housing New Governments from instructing Housing New Zealand Governments from instructing Housing New Zealand to Governments from instructing Housing New Zealand to ignore Governments from instructing Housing New Zealand to ignore wellbeing Governments from instructing Housing New Zealand to ignore wellbeing in New Zealand to ignore wellbeing in prix New Zealand to ignore wellbeing in prix your New Zealand to ignore wellbeing in prix your tying New Zealand to ignore wellbeing in prix your tying dividend New Zealand to ignore wellbeing in prix your tying dividend over New Zealand to ignore wellbeing in prix your tying dividend over tenant prix your tying dividend over tenant wellbeing. prix your tying dividend over tenant wellbeing. What prix your tying dividend over tenant wellbeing. What will prix your tying dividend over tenant wellbeing. What will this prix your tying dividend over tenant wellbeing. What will this mean prix your tying dividend over tenant wellbeing. What will this mean to wellbeing. What will this mean to Housing wellbeing. What will this mean to Housing New wellbeing. What will this mean to Housing New Zealand's wellbeing. What will this mean to Housing New Zealand's day-to-day Housing New Zealand's day-to-day operations? Housing New Zealand's day-to-day operations? What Housing New Zealand's day-to-day operations? What it Housing New Zealand's day-to-day operations? What it means Housing New Zealand's day-to-day operations? What it means is Housing New Zealand's day-to-day operations? What it means is that operations? What it means is that operations? What it means is that operations? What it means is that Housing New operations? What it means is that Housing New Zealand operations? What it means is that Housing New Zealand will operations? What it means is that Housing New Zealand will now Housing New Zealand will now reinvest Housing New Zealand will now reinvest its Housing New Zealand will now reinvest its surplus Housing New Zealand will now reinvest its surplus funds Housing New Zealand will now reinvest its surplus funds into reinvest its surplus funds into building reinvest its surplus funds into building more reinvest its surplus funds into building more houses reinvest its surplus funds into building more houses or reinvest its surplus funds into building more houses or improving building more houses or improving services building more houses or improving services for building more houses or improving services for their building more houses or improving services for their tenants building more houses or improving services for their tenants and building more houses or improving services for their tenants and will services for their tenants and will focus services for their tenants and will focus on services for their tenants and will focus on sustaining services for their tenants and will focus on sustaining tenancies. services for their tenants and will focus on sustaining tenancies. We focus on sustaining tenancies. We know focus on sustaining tenancies. We know that focus on sustaining tenancies. We know that stable focus on sustaining tenancies. We know that stable housing focus on sustaining tenancies. We know that stable housing is focus on sustaining tenancies. We know that stable housing is one focus on sustaining tenancies. We know that stable housing is one of know that stable housing is one of the know that stable housing is one of the most know that stable housing is one of the most important know that stable housing is one of the most important things know that stable housing is one of the most important things for know that stable housing is one of the most important things for the the most important things for the wellbeing the most important things for the wellbeing of the most important things for the wellbeing of children. the most important things for the wellbeing of children. That's the most important things for the wellbeing of children. That's why wellbeing of children. That's why we're wellbeing of children. That's why we're focused wellbeing of children. That's why we're focused on wellbeing of children. That's why we're focused on supporting wellbeing of children. That's why we're focused on supporting families we're focused on supporting families to we're focused on supporting families to stay we're focused on supporting families to stay in we're focused on supporting families to stay in their we're focused on supporting families to stay in their homes. we're focused on supporting families to stay in their homes. Et we're focused on supporting families to stay in their homes. Et Question to stay in their homes. Et Question No.5. No.5. 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Mr Speaker, we are to control bull tar Speaker, we are to control bull tar because Speaker, we are to control bull tar because the Speaker, we are to control bull tar because the former Speaker, we are to control bull tar because the former National because the former National Government because the former National Government through because the former National Government through its because the former National Government through its neglect, Government through its neglect, through Government through its neglect, through the Government through its neglect, through the failure Government through its neglect, through the failure to Government through its neglect, through the failure to control Government through its neglect, through the failure to control the through the failure to control the ballooning through the failure to control the ballooning tar through the failure to control the ballooning tar operation through the failure to control the ballooning tar operation means through the failure to control the ballooning tar operation means we ballooning tar operation means we now ballooning tar operation means we now have ballooning tar operation means we now have to ballooning tar operation means we now have to address ballooning tar operation means we now have to address that ballooning tar operation means we now have to address that neglect. now have to address that neglect. The now have to address that neglect. The tar now have to address that neglect. The tar population now have to address that neglect. The tar population is now have to address that neglect. The tar population is estimated now have to address that neglect. The tar population is estimated at The tar population is estimated at $35,000, The tar population is estimated at $35,000, more The tar population is estimated at $35,000, more than The tar population is estimated at $35,000, more than double The tar population is estimated at $35,000, more than double what The tar population is estimated at $35,000, more than double what the $35,000, more than double what the plan $35,000, more than double what the plan approved $35,000, more than double what the plan approved under $35,000, more than double what the plan approved under a $35,000, more than double what the plan approved under a former plan approved under a former National plan approved under a former National government plan approved under a former National government allows. plan approved under a former National government allows. Will plan approved under a former National government allows. Will the National government allows. Will the real National government allows. Will the real listen National government allows. Will the real listen she National government allows. Will the real listen she climbed National government allows. Will the real listen she climbed down National government allows. 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No, tourism groups or the Game Animal Council? No, it tourism groups or the Game Animal Council? No, it is tourism groups or the Game Animal Council? No, it is not tourism groups or the Game Animal Council? No, it is not a tourism groups or the Game Animal Council? No, it is not a mass tourism groups or the Game Animal Council? No, it is not a mass cull. Council? No, it is not a mass cull. It Council? No, it is not a mass cull. It is Council? No, it is not a mass cull. It is a Council? No, it is not a mass cull. It is a control Council? No, it is not a mass cull. It is a control operation Council? No, it is not a mass cull. It is a control operation by Council? No, it is not a mass cull. It is a control operation by the It is a control operation by the Dept It is a control operation by the Dept of It is a control operation by the Dept of 10,000 It is a control operation by the Dept of 10,000 operators. It is a control operation by the Dept of 10,000 operators. 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All of the hunting interests that I have spoken hunting interests that I have spoken to hunting interests that I have spoken to recognise hunting interests that I have spoken to recognise that hunting interests that I have spoken to recognise that the hunting interests that I have spoken to recognise that the numbers hunting interests that I have spoken to recognise that the numbers from to recognise that the numbers from too to recognise that the numbers from too high to recognise that the numbers from too high and to recognise that the numbers from too high and need to recognise that the numbers from too high and need to to recognise that the numbers from too high and need to come to recognise that the numbers from too high and need to come down. to recognise that the numbers from too high and need to come down. Mr too high and need to come down. Mr Speaker, too high and need to come down. Mr Dept too high and need to come down. Mr Speaker, is the too high and need to come down. Mr Speaker, is the real too high and need to come down. Mr Speaker, is the real reason too high and need to come down. Mr Speaker, is the real reason the Speaker, is the real reason the Minister Speaker, is the real reason the Minister climbed Speaker, is the real reason the Minister climbed down Speaker, is the real reason the Minister climbed down from Speaker, is the real reason the Minister climbed down from her Speaker, is the real reason the Minister climbed down from her mass Minister climbed down from her mass cull Minister climbed down from her mass cull announced Minister climbed down from her mass cull announced in Minister climbed down from her mass cull announced in the Minister climbed down from her mass cull announced in the House cull announced in the House yesterday cull announced in the House yesterday is cull announced in the House yesterday is because cull announced in the House yesterday is because ammunition yesterday is because ammunition importers yesterday is because ammunition importers who yesterday is because ammunition importers who don't yesterday is because ammunition importers who don't support yesterday is because ammunition importers who don't support the importers who don't support the decision importers who don't support the decision won't importers who don't support the decision won't sale importers who don't support the decision won't sale dock importers who don't support the decision won't sale dock the decision won't sale dock the ammunition decision won't sale dock the ammunition they decision won't sale dock the ammunition they need? decision won't sale dock the ammunition they need? I decision won't sale dock the ammunition they need? I have decision won't sale dock the ammunition they need? I have not ammunition they need? I have not climbed ammunition they need? I have not climbed down ammunition they need? I have not climbed down T ammunition they need? I have not climbed down T control ammunition they need? I have not climbed down T control operation climbed down T control operation will climbed down T control operation will proceed climbed down T control operation will proceed after climbed down T control operation will proceed after further will proceed after further discussion will proceed after further discussion with will proceed after further discussion with stakeholders. will proceed after further discussion with stakeholders. Mr discussion with stakeholders. Mr Speaker, discussion with stakeholders. Mr Speaker, I discussion with stakeholders. Mr Speaker, I ask discussion with stakeholders. Mr Speaker, I ask again discussion with stakeholders. Mr Speaker, I ask again - discussion with stakeholders. Mr Speaker, I ask again - given discussion with stakeholders. Mr Speaker, I ask again - given that Speaker, I ask again - given that more Speaker, I ask again - given that more than Speaker, I ask again - given that more than 0,000 Speaker, I ask again - given that more than 0,000 people Speaker, I ask again - given that more than 0,000 people have more than 0,000 people have expressed more than 0,000 people have expressed their more than 0,000 people have expressed their concern more than 0,000 people have expressed their concern over more than 0,000 people have expressed their concern over her expressed their concern over her plan expressed their concern over her plan to expressed their concern over her plan to cull expressed their concern over her plan to cull up expressed their concern over her plan to cull up to expressed their concern over her plan to cull up to 25,000 expressed their concern over her plan to cull up to 25,000 originally plan to cull up to 25,000 originally starting plan to cull up to 25,000 originally starting this plan to cull up to 25,000 originally starting this weekend plan to cull up to 25,000 originally starting this weekend until plan to cull up to 25,000 originally starting this weekend until proper starting this weekend until proper consultation... starting this weekend until proper consultation... Get starting this weekend until proper consultation... Get to starting this weekend until proper consultation... Get to the starting this weekend until proper consultation... Get to the question, consultation... Get to the question, please. consultation... Get to the question, please. Will consultation... Get to the question, please. Will she consultation... Get to the question, please. Will she postpone consultation... Get to the question, please. Will she postpone this consultation... Get to the question, please. Will she postpone this until please. Will she postpone this until proper please. Will she postpone this until proper consultation please. Will she postpone this until proper consultation has please. Will she postpone this until proper consultation has taken please. Will she postpone this until proper consultation has taken place proper consultation has taken place or proper consultation has taken place or at proper consultation has taken place or at least proper consultation has taken place or at least uner proper consultation has taken place or at least uner the proper consultation has taken place or at least uner the Dept proper consultation has taken place or at least uner the Dept of or at least uner the Dept of Conservation or at least uner the Dept of Conservation has or at least uner the Dept of Conservation has enough or at least uner the Dept of Conservation has enough bullets? or at least uner the Dept of Conservation has enough bullets? Mr Conservation has enough bullets? Mr Speaker, Conservation has enough bullets? Mr Speaker, the Conservation has enough bullets? Mr Speaker, the member Conservation has enough bullets? Mr Speaker, the member exaggerates. Conservation has enough bullets? Mr Speaker, the member exaggerates. The Speaker, the member exaggerates. The department Speaker, the member exaggerates. The department is Speaker, the member exaggerates. The department is proposing Speaker, the member exaggerates. The department is proposing to Speaker, the member exaggerates. The department is proposing to control department is proposing to control 10,000 department is proposing to control 10,000 of department is proposing to control 10,000 of them, department is proposing to control 10,000 of them, it department is proposing to control 10,000 of them, it is department is proposing to control 10,000 of them, it is working department is proposing to control 10,000 of them, it is working with 10,000 of them, it is working with stakeholders 10,000 of them, it is working with stakeholders to 10,000 of them, it is working with stakeholders to see 10,000 of them, it is working with stakeholders to see what 10,000 of them, it is working with stakeholders to see what they 10,000 of them, it is working with stakeholders to see what they can stakeholders to see what they can contribute. stakeholders to see what they can contribute. It stakeholders to see what they can contribute. It needs stakeholders to see what they can contribute. It needs to stakeholders to see what they can contribute. It needs to be stakeholders to see what they can contribute. It needs to be done contribute. It needs to be done before contribute. It needs to be done before the contribute. It needs to be done before the population contribute. It needs to be done before the population explodes before the population explodes further. before the population explodes further. This before the population explodes further. This government before the population explodes further. This government is further. This government is interested further. This government is interested in further. This government is interested in protecting further. This government is interested in protecting the interested in protecting the landscape, interested in protecting the landscape, not interested in protecting the landscape, not sitting interested in protecting the landscape, not sitting on interested in protecting the landscape, not sitting on the interested in protecting the landscape, not sitting on the side landscape, not sitting on the side of landscape, not sitting on the side of the landscape, not sitting on the side of the invasive landscape, not sitting on the side of the invasive species. of the invasive species. The of the invasive species. The Hon of the invasive species. The Hon Nikki of the invasive species. The Hon Nikki Kaye. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: My question is to the Minister of Education: Is My question is to the Minister of Education: Is she My question is to the Minister of Education: Is she confident My question is to the Minister of Education: Is she confident of My question is to the Minister of Education: Is she confident of the Education: Is she confident of the Government's Education: Is she confident of the Government's spending Education: Is she confident of the Government's spending priorities Education: Is she confident of the Government's spending priorities in Government's spending priorities in the Government's spending priorities in the education Yes, the education Yes, but the education Yes, but is the education Yes, but is she the education Yes, but is she confident the education Yes, but is she confident in the education Yes, but is she confident in the the education Yes, but is she confident in the previous Yes, but is she confident in the previous government's Yes, but is she confident in the previous government's spending... previous government's spending... Order! previous government's spending... Order! What previous government's spending... Order! What we previous government's spending... Order! What we will previous government's spending... Order! What we will have previous government's spending... Order! What we will have is previous government's spending... Order! What we will have is we previous government's spending... Order! What we will have is we will Order! What we will have is we will have Order! What we will have is we will have that Order! What we will have is we will have that answer Order! What we will have is we will have that answer again, Order! What we will have is we will have that answer again, a Order! What we will have is we will have that answer again, a straight have that answer again, a straight answer have that answer again, a straight answer without have that answer again, a straight answer without a have that answer again, a straight answer without a flick. answer without a flick. Yes. Yes. Supplementary. Yes. Supplementary. Why Yes. Supplementary. Why did Yes. Supplementary. Why did the Supplementary. Why did the Government Supplementary. Why did the Government prioritise Supplementary. Why did the Government prioritise $2.8 Supplementary. Why did the Government prioritise $2.8 billion Government prioritise $2.8 billion for Government prioritise $2.8 billion for tertiary Government prioritise $2.8 billion for tertiary students Government prioritise $2.8 billion for tertiary students instead Government prioritise $2.8 billion for tertiary students instead of for tertiary students instead of providing for tertiary students instead of providing adequate for tertiary students instead of providing adequate funding for tertiary students instead of providing adequate funding to for tertiary students instead of providing adequate funding to get for tertiary students instead of providing adequate funding to get a providing adequate funding to get a settlement providing adequate funding to get a settlement for providing adequate funding to get a settlement for primary providing adequate funding to get a settlement for primary teachers? settlement for primary teachers? First settlement for primary teachers? First of settlement for primary teachers? First of all settlement for primary teachers? First of all there settlement for primary teachers? First of all there were settlement for primary teachers? First of all there were no First of all there were no negotiations First of all there were no negotiations for First of all there were no negotiations for a First of all there were no negotiations for a settlement First of all there were no negotiations for a settlement for negotiations for a settlement for primary negotiations for a settlement for primary teachers negotiations for a settlement for primary teachers at negotiations for a settlement for primary teachers at the negotiations for a settlement for primary teachers at the time negotiations for a settlement for primary teachers at the time this primary teachers at the time this government primary teachers at the time this government passed primary teachers at the time this government passed their primary teachers at the time this government passed their $2.8 primary teachers at the time this government passed their $2.8 billion government passed their $2.8 billion for government passed their $2.8 billion for students. government passed their $2.8 billion for students. Secondly government passed their $2.8 billion for students. Secondly many government passed their $2.8 billion for students. Secondly many of government passed their $2.8 billion for students. Secondly many of the for students. Secondly many of the students for students. Secondly many of the students are for students. Secondly many of the students are actually for students. Secondly many of the students are actually teachers for students. Secondly many of the students are actually teachers and students are actually teachers and this students are actually teachers and this government students are actually teachers and this government believes students are actually teachers and this government believes that students are actually teachers and this government believes that taking this government believes that taking away this government believes that taking away crippling this government believes that taking away crippling debt this government believes that taking away crippling debt from this government believes that taking away crippling debt from our this government believes that taking away crippling debt from our young away crippling debt from our young people away crippling debt from our young people is away crippling debt from our young people is worthy. people is worthy. Mr people is worthy. Mr Speaker, people is worthy. Mr Speaker, supplementary people is worthy. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. If Mr Speaker, supplementary question. If primary Mr Speaker, supplementary question. If primary teachers Mr Speaker, supplementary question. If primary teachers reject Mr Speaker, supplementary question. If primary teachers reject the If primary teachers reject the Government's If primary teachers reject the Government's offer If primary teachers reject the Government's offer today, If primary teachers reject the Government's offer today, will If primary teachers reject the Government's offer today, will she Government's offer today, will she prioritise Government's offer today, will she prioritise spending Government's offer today, will she prioritise spending for Government's offer today, will she prioritise spending for parents Government's offer today, will she prioritise spending for parents who prioritise spending for parents who can't prioritise spending for parents who can't take prioritise spending for parents who can't take time prioritise spending for parents who can't take time off prioritise spending for parents who can't take time off work prioritise spending for parents who can't take time off work or prioritise spending for parents who can't take time off work or find can't take time off work or find childcare can't take time off work or find childcare during can't take time off work or find childcare during the can't take time off work or find childcare during the strikes? can't take time off work or find childcare during the strikes? It childcare during the strikes? It would childcare during the strikes? It would be childcare during the strikes? It would be pre-emptive childcare during the strikes? It would be pre-emptive of childcare during the strikes? It would be pre-emptive of me childcare during the strikes? It would be pre-emptive of me to childcare during the strikes? It would be pre-emptive of me to decide would be pre-emptive of me to decide what would be pre-emptive of me to decide what the would be pre-emptive of me to decide what the NZI would be pre-emptive of me to decide what the NZI will would be pre-emptive of me to decide what the NZI will do would be pre-emptive of me to decide what the NZI will do with would be pre-emptive of me to decide what the NZI will do with the what the NZI will do with the negotiations what the NZI will do with the negotiations they're what the NZI will do with the negotiations they're in. what the NZI will do with the negotiations they're in. Point what the NZI will do with the negotiations they're in. Point of negotiations they're in. Point of order. negotiations they're in. Point of order. A negotiations they're in. Point of order. A hypothetical negotiations they're in. Point of order. A hypothetical question negotiations they're in. Point of order. A hypothetical question and order. A hypothetical question and there's order. A hypothetical question and there's no order. A hypothetical question and there's no requirement order. A hypothetical question and there's no requirement to order. A hypothetical question and there's no requirement to answer order. A hypothetical question and there's no requirement to answer it. there's no requirement to answer it. Supplementary there's no requirement to answer it. Supplementary question. there's no requirement to answer it. Supplementary question. Will there's no requirement to answer it. Supplementary question. Will she Supplementary question. Will she reverse Supplementary question. Will she reverse the Supplementary question. Will she reverse the Government's Supplementary question. Will she reverse the Government's new reverse the Government's new position reverse the Government's new position regarding reverse the Government's new position regarding delaying position regarding delaying maternity position regarding delaying maternity grants position regarding delaying maternity grants to position regarding delaying maternity grants to teachers, position regarding delaying maternity grants to teachers, given maternity grants to teachers, given the maternity grants to teachers, given the harsh maternity grants to teachers, given the harsh impact maternity grants to teachers, given the harsh impact on maternity grants to teachers, given the harsh impact on new maternity grants to teachers, given the harsh impact on new mums maternity grants to teachers, given the harsh impact on new mums and the harsh impact on new mums and dads? dads? Mr dads? Mr Speaker, dads? Mr Speaker, it dads? Mr Speaker, it would dads? Mr Speaker, it would be Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible of Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible of me Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible of me to Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible of me to discuss irresponsible of me to discuss negotiations irresponsible of me to discuss negotiations in irresponsible of me to discuss negotiations in this irresponsible of me to discuss negotiations in this House irresponsible of me to discuss negotiations in this House and irresponsible of me to discuss negotiations in this House and I negotiations in this House and I would negotiations in this House and I would have negotiations in this House and I would have thought negotiations in this House and I would have thought a negotiations in this House and I would have thought a previous would have thought a previous Minister would have thought a previous Minister of would have thought a previous Minister of Education would have thought a previous Minister of Education would would have thought a previous Minister of Education would actually Minister of Education would actually know Minister of Education would actually know that. Minister of Education would actually know that. Mr Minister of Education would actually know that. Mr Speaker, Minister of Education would actually know that. Mr Speaker, supplementary know that. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. know that. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. Will know that. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. Will the know that. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. Will the Government question. Will the Government prioritise question. Will the Government prioritise additional question. Will the Government prioritise additional spending question. Will the Government prioritise additional spending to prioritise additional spending to ensure prioritise additional spending to ensure parents prioritise additional spending to ensure parents do prioritise additional spending to ensure parents do not prioritise additional spending to ensure parents do not face prioritise additional spending to ensure parents do not face multiple ensure parents do not face multiple primary ensure parents do not face multiple primary and ensure parents do not face multiple primary and secondary ensure parents do not face multiple primary and secondary strikes ensure parents do not face multiple primary and secondary strikes over primary and secondary strikes over the primary and secondary strikes over the coming primary and secondary strikes over the coming months? the coming months? Mr the coming months? Mr Speaker, the coming months? Mr Speaker, it the coming months? Mr Speaker, it would the coming months? Mr Speaker, it would be Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible of Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible of a Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible of a Minister Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible of a Minister of Mr Speaker, it would be irresponsible of a Minister of this irresponsible of a Minister of this House irresponsible of a Minister of this House to irresponsible of a Minister of this House to stand irresponsible of a Minister of this House to stand up irresponsible of a Minister of this House to stand up and irresponsible of a Minister of this House to stand up and talk irresponsible of a Minister of this House to stand up and talk about House to stand up and talk about negotiations House to stand up and talk about negotiations and House to stand up and talk about negotiations and other House to stand up and talk about negotiations and other money House to stand up and talk about negotiations and other money or House to stand up and talk about negotiations and other money or any negotiations and other money or any other negotiations and other money or any other thing negotiations and other money or any other thing while negotiations and other money or any other thing while there negotiations and other money or any other thing while there are other thing while there are negotiations other thing while there are negotiations under other thing while there are negotiations under way. other thing while there are negotiations under way. I other thing while there are negotiations under way. I would other thing while there are negotiations under way. I would have negotiations under way. I would have thought negotiations under way. I would have thought a negotiations under way. I would have thought a previous negotiations under way. I would have thought a previous Minister negotiations under way. I would have thought a previous Minister of thought a previous Minister of Education thought a previous Minister of Education would thought a previous Minister of Education would have thought a previous Minister of Education would have known thought a previous Minister of Education would have known that. thought a previous Minister of Education would have known that. Jan Education would have known that. Jan Tinetti. Education would have known that. Jan Tinetti. What Education would have known that. Jan Tinetti. What investment Education would have known that. Jan Tinetti. What investment has Education would have known that. Jan Tinetti. What investment has this Tinetti. What investment has this Government Tinetti. What investment has this Government made Tinetti. What investment has this Government made to Tinetti. What investment has this Government made to the Tinetti. What investment has this Government made to the teacher Government made to the teacher supply Government made to the teacher supply issues Government made to the teacher supply issues that Government made to the teacher supply issues that built Government made to the teacher supply issues that built up Government made to the teacher supply issues that built up over supply issues that built up over nine supply issues that built up over nine years? supply issues that built up over nine years? Mr supply issues that built up over nine years? Mr Speaker, supply issues that built up over nine years? Mr Speaker, when supply issues that built up over nine years? Mr Speaker, when we supply issues that built up over nine years? Mr Speaker, when we took nine years? Mr Speaker, when we took office, nine years? Mr Speaker, when we took office, teachers, nine years? Mr Speaker, when we took office, teachers, many nine years? Mr Speaker, when we took office, teachers, many of nine years? Mr Speaker, when we took office, teachers, many of them nine years? Mr Speaker, when we took office, teachers, many of them left office, teachers, many of them left the office, teachers, many of them left the profession. office, teachers, many of them left the profession. The office, teachers, many of them left the profession. The numbers office, teachers, many of them left the profession. The numbers going the profession. The numbers going into the profession. The numbers going into teacher-training the profession. The numbers going into teacher-training dropped the profession. The numbers going into teacher-training dropped by the profession. The numbers going into teacher-training dropped by 40% into teacher-training dropped by 40% and into teacher-training dropped by 40% and classrooms into teacher-training dropped by 40% and classrooms were into teacher-training dropped by 40% and classrooms were doubled into teacher-training dropped by 40% and classrooms were doubled up into teacher-training dropped by 40% and classrooms were doubled up as and classrooms were doubled up as teachers and classrooms were doubled up as teachers couldn't and classrooms were doubled up as teachers couldn't be and classrooms were doubled up as teachers couldn't be found and classrooms were doubled up as teachers couldn't be found to and classrooms were doubled up as teachers couldn't be found to fill teachers couldn't be found to fill places. teachers couldn't be found to fill places. To teachers couldn't be found to fill places. To date, teachers couldn't be found to fill places. To date, we teachers couldn't be found to fill places. To date, we have teachers couldn't be found to fill places. To date, we have funded teachers couldn't be found to fill places. To date, we have funded over places. To date, we have funded over 1,000 places. To date, we have funded over 1,000 enrollments places. To date, we have funded over 1,000 enrollments in places. To date, we have funded over 1,000 enrollments in teacher 1,000 enrollments in teacher education 1,000 enrollments in teacher education refreshment 1,000 enrollments in teacher education refreshment programmes 1,000 enrollments in teacher education refreshment programmes to education refreshment programmes to remove education refreshment programmes to remove the education refreshment programmes to remove the cost education refreshment programmes to remove the cost barriers education refreshment programmes to remove the cost barriers so education refreshment programmes to remove the cost barriers so teachers remove the cost barriers so teachers can remove the cost barriers so teachers can stay remove the cost barriers so teachers can stay in remove the cost barriers so teachers can stay in and remove the cost barriers so teachers can stay in and return remove the cost barriers so teachers can stay in and return to remove the cost barriers so teachers can stay in and return to teaching, can stay in and return to teaching, we can stay in and return to teaching, we have can stay in and return to teaching, we have seen can stay in and return to teaching, we have seen the can stay in and return to teaching, we have seen the approval can stay in and return to teaching, we have seen the approval of can stay in and return to teaching, we have seen the approval of almost we have seen the approval of almost 190 we have seen the approval of almost 190 overseas we have seen the approval of almost 190 overseas relocation we have seen the approval of almost 190 overseas relocation grants, 190 overseas relocation grants, expanded 190 overseas relocation grants, expanded the 190 overseas relocation grants, expanded the Auckland 190 overseas relocation grants, expanded the Auckland Beginning expanded the Auckland Beginning teacher expanded the Auckland Beginning teacher programme expanded the Auckland Beginning teacher programme to expanded the Auckland Beginning teacher programme to 60 expanded the Auckland Beginning teacher programme to 60 places expanded the Auckland Beginning teacher programme to 60 places in teacher programme to 60 places in 2018 teacher programme to 60 places in 2018 and teacher programme to 60 places in 2018 and a teacher programme to 60 places in 2018 and a fur teacher programme to 60 places in 2018 and a fur 60 teacher programme to 60 places in 2018 and a fur 60 in teacher programme to 60 places in 2018 and a fur 60 in 2019. teacher programme to 60 places in 2018 and a fur 60 in 2019. We've 2018 and a fur 60 in 2019. We've increased 2018 and a fur 60 in 2019. We've increased the 2018 and a fur 60 in 2019. We've increased the number 2018 and a fur 60 in 2019. We've increased the number of 2018 and a fur 60 in 2019. We've increased the number of new 2018 and a fur 60 in 2019. We've increased the number of new teacher increased the number of new teacher training increased the number of new teacher training to increased the number of new teacher training to Teach increased the number of new teacher training to Teach First increased the number of new teacher training to Teach First in increased the number of new teacher training to Teach First in 2018 increased the number of new teacher training to Teach First in 2018 and training to Teach First in 2018 and 2019 training to Teach First in 2018 and 2019 and training to Teach First in 2018 and 2019 and made training to Teach First in 2018 and 2019 and made 300 training to Teach First in 2018 and 2019 and made 300 teachers training to Teach First in 2018 and 2019 and made 300 teachers who 2019 and made 300 teachers who started 2019 and made 300 teachers who started in 2019 and made 300 teachers who started in 2018 2019 and made 300 teachers who started in 2018 eligible 2019 and made 300 teachers who started in 2018 eligible for 2019 and made 300 teachers who started in 2018 eligible for the started in 2018 eligible for the voluntary started in 2018 eligible for the voluntary bonding started in 2018 eligible for the voluntary bonding scheme. started in 2018 eligible for the voluntary bonding scheme. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: My question is to the Minister of Police: What My question is to the Minister of Police: What recent My question is to the Minister of Police: What recent announcements, Police: What recent announcements, if Police: What recent announcements, if any, Police: What recent announcements, if any, has Police: What recent announcements, if any, has the Police: What recent announcements, if any, has the Government Police: What recent announcements, if any, has the Government made Police: What recent announcements, if any, has the Government made to if any, has the Government made to support if any, has the Government made to support crime if any, has the Government made to support crime prevention if any, has the Government made to support crime prevention in if any, has the Government made to support crime prevention in our support crime prevention in our communities? The The Hon The Hon Stuart The Hon Stuart Nash. The Hon Stuart Nash. The The Hon Stuart Nash. The main The Hon Stuart Nash. The main priority The Hon Stuart Nash. The main priority of The Hon Stuart Nash. The main priority of this The Hon Stuart Nash. The main priority of this government The Hon Stuart Nash. The main priority of this government is priority of this government is improve priority of this government is improve the priority of this government is improve the wellbeing priority of this government is improve the wellbeing and priority of this government is improve the wellbeing and safety priority of this government is improve the wellbeing and safety of improve the wellbeing and safety of our improve the wellbeing and safety of our communities. improve the wellbeing and safety of our communities. Through improve the wellbeing and safety of our communities. Through Budget improve the wellbeing and safety of our communities. Through Budget 18 our communities. Through Budget 18 we our communities. Through Budget 18 we have our communities. Through Budget 18 we have announced our communities. Through Budget 18 we have announced last our communities. Through Budget 18 we have announced last Thursday our communities. 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