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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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Last week the International Monetary Fund released its October Monetary Fund released its October world Monetary Fund released its October world economic Monetary Fund released its October world economic outlook Monetary Fund released its October world economic outlook showing Monetary Fund released its October world economic outlook showing an world economic outlook showing an world economic outlook showing an world economic outlook showing an upward revision world economic outlook showing an upward revision in world economic outlook showing an upward revision in New world economic outlook showing an upward revision in New Zealand's upward revision in New Zealand's upward revision in New Zealand's upward revision in New Zealand's growth forecast. upward revision in New Zealand's growth forecast. The upward revision in New Zealand's growth forecast. The IMF upward revision in New Zealand's growth forecast. The IMF is growth forecast. The IMF is forecasting growth forecast. 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Why is she still going ahead more than any other item. Why is she still going ahead with more than any other item. Why is she still going ahead with more more than any other item. Why is she still going ahead with more than more than any other item. 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Is the minister aware of any recent minister aware of any recent examples minister aware of any recent examples where minister aware of any recent examples where NZDF minister aware of any recent examples where NZDF has minister aware of any recent examples where NZDF has delivered examples where NZDF has delivered examples where NZDF has delivered examples where NZDF has delivered value to examples where NZDF has delivered value to our examples where NZDF has delivered value to our nation examples where NZDF has delivered value to our nation and examples where NZDF has delivered value to our nation and region? examples where NZDF has delivered value to our nation and region? Yes. value to our nation and region? Yes. The value to our nation and region? Yes. The New value to our nation and region? Yes. The New Zealand value to our nation and region? Yes. The New Zealand Defence value to our nation and region? Yes. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Housing and Urban Development: What Housing and Urban Development: What progress Housing and Urban Development: What progress has Housing and Urban Development: What progress has he Housing and Urban Development: What progress has he made Housing and Urban Development: What progress has he made towards What progress has he made towards the What progress has he made towards never What progress has he made towards the Government's KiwiBuild What progress has he made towards the Government's KiwiBuild homes the Government's KiwiBuild homes targets the Government's KiwiBuild homes never the Government's KiwiBuild homes targets up to the Government's KiwiBuild homes targets up to 2020/21? A A few A few weeks A few weeks ago A few weeks ago the A few weeks ago the Government A few weeks ago the Government announced A few weeks ago the Government announced the A few weeks ago the Government announced the very A few weeks ago the Government announced the very first A few weeks ago the Government announced the very first KiwiBuild announced the very first KiwiBuild development announced the very first KiwiBuild development in announced the very first KiwiBuild development in Wanaka announced the very first KiwiBuild development in Wanaka where announced the very first KiwiBuild development in Wanaka where there'll development in Wanaka where there'll be development in Wanaka where there'll be 211 development in Wanaka where there'll be 211 KiwiBuild-built development in Wanaka where there'll be 211 KiwiBuild-built homes. be 211 KiwiBuild-built homes. Queenstown be 211 KiwiBuild-built homes. Queenstown Lakes be 211 KiwiBuild-built homes. Queenstown Lakes has be 211 KiwiBuild-built homes. Queenstown Lakes has a be 211 KiwiBuild-built homes. Queenstown Lakes has a housing Queenstown Lakes has a housing crisis. Queenstown Lakes has a housing crisis. There Queenstown Lakes has a housing crisis. There will Queenstown Lakes has a housing crisis. There will be Queenstown Lakes has a housing crisis. There will be two-bedroom crisis. There will be two-bedroom and crisis. There will be two-bedroom and four-bedroom crisis. There will be two-bedroom and four-bedroom stand crisis. There will be two-bedroom and four-bedroom stand alone crisis. There will be two-bedroom and four-bedroom stand alone homes. and four-bedroom stand alone homes. Prices and four-bedroom stand alone homes. Prices range and four-bedroom stand alone homes. Prices range from and four-bedroom stand alone homes. Prices range from 550,000 and four-bedroom stand alone homes. Prices range from 550,000 to Prices range from 550,000 to $650,000. 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I've seen reports of KiwiBuild fever in the reports of KiwiBuild fever in the Otago reports of KiwiBuild fever in the Otago Daily reports of KiwiBuild fever in the Otago Daily Times, reports of KiwiBuild fever in the Otago Daily Times, Cardona reports of KiwiBuild fever in the Otago Daily Times, Cardona ski reports of KiwiBuild fever in the Otago Daily Times, Cardona ski field Otago Daily Times, Cardona ski field workers Otago Daily Times, Cardona ski field workers have Otago Daily Times, Cardona ski field workers have lived Otago Daily Times, Cardona ski field workers have lived in Otago Daily Times, Cardona ski field workers have lived in Wanaka Otago Daily Times, Cardona ski field workers have lived in Wanaka for Otago Daily Times, Cardona ski field workers have lived in Wanaka for 18 workers have lived in Wanaka for 18 months workers have lived in Wanaka for 18 months and workers have lived in Wanaka for 18 months and have workers have lived in Wanaka for 18 months and have begun workers have lived in Wanaka for 18 months and have begun the workers have lived in Wanaka for 18 months and have begun the KiwiBuild months and have begun the KiwiBuild process. months and have begun the KiwiBuild process. 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Over 3,000 people have registered an 3,000 people have registered an interest 3,000 people have registered an interest in 3,000 people have registered an interest in KiwiBuild 3,000 people have registered an interest in KiwiBuild in 3,000 people have registered an interest in KiwiBuild in Queenstown interest in KiwiBuild in Queenstown Lake interest in KiwiBuild in Queenstown Lake district interest in KiwiBuild in Queenstown Lake district out interest in KiwiBuild in Queenstown Lake district out of interest in KiwiBuild in Queenstown Lake district out of over interest in KiwiBuild in Queenstown Lake district out of over 44,500 Lake district out of over 44,500 people Lake district out of over 44,500 people nationwide. Lake district out of over 44,500 people nationwide. KiwiBuild Lake district out of over 44,500 people nationwide. KiwiBuild is people nationwide. KiwiBuild is restoring people nationwide. KiwiBuild is restoring the people nationwide. KiwiBuild is restoring the dream people nationwide. KiwiBuild is restoring the dream of people nationwide. KiwiBuild is restoring the dream of home restoring the dream of home ownership restoring the dream of home ownership to restoring the dream of home ownership to thousands restoring the dream of home ownership to thousands of restoring the dream of home ownership to thousands of families ownership to thousands of families priced ownership to thousands of families priced out ownership to thousands of families priced out of ownership to thousands of families priced out of the ownership to thousands of families priced out of the housing ownership to thousands of families priced out of the housing market, priced out of the housing market, not priced out of the housing market, not only priced out of the housing market, not only in priced out of the housing market, not only in Queenstown priced out of the housing market, not only in Queenstown Lakes priced out of the housing market, not only in Queenstown Lakes but not only in Queenstown Lakes but across not only in Queenstown Lakes but across the not only in Queenstown Lakes but across the country. not only in Queenstown Lakes but across the country. How not only in Queenstown Lakes but across the country. How do not only in Queenstown Lakes but across the country. How do we not only in Queenstown Lakes but across the country. How do we these across the country. How do we these KiwiBuild across the country. How do we these KiwiBuild homes across the country. How do we these KiwiBuild homes compare across the country. How do we these KiwiBuild homes compare to across the country. How do we these KiwiBuild homes compare to homes across the country. How do we these KiwiBuild homes compare to homes on KiwiBuild homes compare to homes on the KiwiBuild homes compare to homes on the market? KiwiBuild homes compare to homes on the market? For KiwiBuild homes compare to homes on the market? For just KiwiBuild homes compare to homes on the market? For just over KiwiBuild homes compare to homes on the market? For just over half KiwiBuild homes compare to homes on the market? For just over half the the market? 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Turners participate and thrive in this industry. Turners and participate and thrive in this industry. Turners and growers participate and thrive in this industry. Turners and growers have industry. Turners and growers have partnered industry. Turners and growers have partnered with industry. Turners and growers have partnered with the industry. Turners and growers have partnered with the Ministry industry. 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Question no. growers has been life-changing. Question no. 9, growers has been life-changing. Question no. 9, the growers has been life-changing. Question no. 9, the Hon growers has been life-changing. Question no. 9, the Hon Paul Question no. 9, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Energy My question is to the Minister of Energy and My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Energy and Resources: How Energy and Resources: How many Energy and Resources: How many cents Energy and Resources: How many cents per Energy and Resources: How many cents per litre Energy and Resources: How many cents per litre has Energy and Resources: How many cents per litre has the How many cents per litre has the "petrol How many cents per litre has the "petrol margin How many cents per litre has the "petrol margin trend How many cents per litre has the "petrol margin trend New How many cents per litre has the "petrol margin trend New Zealand" How many cents per litre has the "petrol margin trend New Zealand" in "petrol margin trend New Zealand" in the "petrol margin trend New Zealand" in the MBIE "petrol margin trend New Zealand" in the MBIE data "petrol margin trend New Zealand" in the MBIE data set "petrol margin trend New Zealand" in the MBIE data set titled "petrol margin trend New Zealand" in the MBIE data set titled "weekly the MBIE data set titled "weekly fuel the MBIE data set titled "weekly fuel price the MBIE data set titled "weekly fuel price monitoring" the MBIE data set titled "weekly fuel price monitoring" changed fuel price monitoring" changed between fuel price monitoring" changed between the fuel price monitoring" changed between the most fuel price monitoring" changed between the most recent fuel price monitoring" changed between the most recent data fuel price monitoring" changed between the most recent data point between the most recent data point and between the most recent data point and 27 between the most recent data point and 27 October between the most recent data point and 27 October 2017; between the most recent data point and 27 October 2017; and, between the most recent data point and 27 October 2017; and, how between the most recent data point and 27 October 2017; and, how many and 27 October 2017; and, how many cents and 27 October 2017; and, how many cents per and 27 October 2017; and, how many cents per litre and 27 October 2017; and, how many cents per litre has and 27 October 2017; and, how many cents per litre has total and 27 October 2017; and, how many cents per litre has total Government cents per litre has total Government or cents per litre has total Government or local cents per litre has total Government or local Government cents per litre has total Government or local Government taxes cents per litre has total Government or local Government taxes increased or local Government taxes increased over or local Government taxes increased over the or local Government taxes increased over the same or local Government taxes increased over the same period or local Government taxes increased over the same period in or local Government taxes increased over the same period in and or local Government taxes increased over the same period in and outside over the same period in and outside of over the same period in and outside of Auckland? The The Hon The Hon David The Hon David Parker. The Hon David Parker. On The Hon David Parker. On behalf The Hon David Parker. On behalf of The Hon David Parker. On behalf of the The Hon David Parker. On behalf of the Minister The Hon David Parker. On behalf of the Minister of The Hon David Parker. On behalf of the Minister of Energy The Hon David Parker. On behalf of the Minister of Energy and the Minister of Energy and Resources, the Minister of Energy and Resources, 1.32, the Minister of Energy and Resources, 1.32, 9.53, the Minister of Energy and Resources, 1.32, 9.53, 11.5, the Minister of Energy and Resources, 1.32, 9.53, 11.5, 5.53 Resources, 1.32, 9.53, 11.5, 5.53 and Resources, 1.32, 9.53, 11.5, 5.53 and zero. Resources, 1.32, 9.53, 11.5, 5.53 and zero. From Resources, 1.32, 9.53, 11.5, 5.53 and zero. From October Resources, 1.32, 9.53, 11.5, 5.53 and zero. From October 2017 Resources, 1.32, 9.53, 11.5, 5.53 and zero. 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And New Zealanders have a lot of catching up to do. It And New Zealanders have a lot of catching up to do. It will And New Zealanders have a lot of catching up to do. It will take catching up to do. It will take several catching up to do. It will take several budgets catching up to do. It will take several budgets to catching up to do. It will take several budgets to make catching up to do. It will take several budgets to make sure catching up to do. It will take several budgets to make sure the several budgets to make sure the health several budgets to make sure the health system several budgets to make sure the health system is several budgets to make sure the health system is funded several budgets to make sure the health system is funded as several budgets to make sure the health system is funded as well several budgets to make sure the health system is funded as well as health system is funded as well as we health system is funded as well as we would health system is funded as well as we would like health system is funded as well as we would like to health system is funded as well as we would like to see health system is funded as well as we would like to see it health system is funded as well as we would like to see it funded. we would like to see it funded. Question we would like to see it funded. Question no. we would like to see it funded. Question no. 11, we would like to see it funded. Question no. 11, Maria we would like to see it funded. Question no. 11, Maria Lubeck. Question no. 11, Maria Lubeck. <SPEAKS Question no. 11, Maria Lubeck. <SPEAKS NIEUEAN> My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Building My question is to the Minister for Building and My question is to the Minister for Building and Construction: Building and Construction: What Building and Construction: What action, Building and Construction: What action, if Building and Construction: What action, if any, Building and Construction: What action, if any, is Building and Construction: What action, if any, is the What action, if any, is the Government What action, if any, is the Government taking What action, if any, is the Government taking to What action, if any, is the Government taking to address What action, if any, is the Government taking to address skills Government taking to address skills and Government taking to address skills and labour Government taking to address skills and labour shortages Government taking to address skills and labour shortages in Government taking to address skills and labour shortages in the and labour shortages in the construction and labour shortages in the construction sector? The The Hon The Hon Peter The Hon Peter Sellers. The Hon Peter Sellers. <SPEAKS The Hon Peter Sellers. <SPEAKS NIEUEAN> <SPEAKS NIEUEAN> earlier <SPEAKS NIEUEAN> earlier this <SPEAKS NIEUEAN> earlier this month, <SPEAKS NIEUEAN> earlier this month, along <SPEAKS NIEUEAN> earlier this month, along with <SPEAKS NIEUEAN> earlier this month, along with my earlier this month, along with my ministerial earlier this month, along with my ministerial colleagues earlier this month, along with my ministerial colleagues I earlier this month, along with my ministerial colleagues I announced ministerial colleagues I announced the ministerial colleagues I announced the Government's ministerial colleagues I announced the Government's skills ministerial colleagues I announced the Government's skills action ministerial colleagues I announced the Government's skills action plan the Government's skills action plan to the Government's skills action plan to address the Government's skills action plan to address labour the Government's skills action plan to address labour skills the Government's skills action plan to address labour skills shortage the Government's skills action plan to address labour skills shortage in to address labour skills shortage in the to address labour skills shortage in the construction to address labour skills shortage in the construction industry. to address labour skills shortage in the construction industry. 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The Construction Skills Action Plan will deliver at least 4,000 new Plan will deliver at least 4,000 new people Plan will deliver at least 4,000 new people pursuing Plan will deliver at least 4,000 new people pursuing construction-related people pursuing construction-related careers people pursuing construction-related people people pursuing construction-related careers over the people pursuing construction-related careers over the next people pursuing construction-related careers over the next three people pursuing construction-related careers over the next three years. careers over the next three years. What careers over the next three years. What are careers over the next three years. What are the careers over the next three years. What are the key careers over the next three years. What are the key priority careers over the next three years. What are the key priority areas careers over the next three years. 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They are: First, leveraging government procurement, leveraging government procurement, led leveraging government procurement, leveraging leveraging government procurement, led by the leveraging government procurement, led by the Minister leveraging government procurement, led by the Minister for leveraging government procurement, led by the Minister for Economic led by the Minister for Economic Development. led by the Minister for Economic Development. Second, led by the Minister for Economic Development. Second, growing Development. Second, growing construction Development. Second, growing construction careers Development. 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Mr Speaker, the construction sector is Speaker, the construction sector is one Speaker, the construction sector is one of Speaker, the construction sector is one of our Speaker, the construction sector is one of our largest Speaker, the construction sector is one of our largest employers Speaker, the construction sector is one of our largest employers with one of our largest employers with nearly one of our largest employers with nearly 10% one of our largest employers with nearly 10% of one of our largest employers with nearly 10% of our one of our largest employers with nearly 10% of our workers one of our largest employers with nearly 10% of our workers engaged one of our largest employers with nearly 10% of our workers engaged in nearly 10% of our workers engaged in construction-related nearly 10% of our workers engaged in construction-related occupations. construction-related occupations. The construction-related occupations. The construction construction-related occupations. 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Question no. 12, objectives. Question no. 12, Jonathan objectives. Question no. 12, Jonathan Young. Question no. 12, Jonathan Young. Thank Question no. 12, Jonathan Young. Thank you, Question no. 12, Jonathan Young. Thank you, Mr Question no. 12, Jonathan Young. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Energy My question is to the Minister of Energy and My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Energy and Resources: Does Energy and Resources: Does she Energy and Resources: Does she stand Energy and Resources: Does she stand by Energy and Resources: Does she stand by all Energy and Resources: Does she stand by all her Does she stand by all her Government's Does she stand by all her Government's policies, Does she stand by all her Government's policies, statements, Government's policies, statements, and Government's policies, statements, and actions Government's policies, statements, and actions in Government's policies, statements, and actions in relation Government's policies, statements, and actions in relation to Government's policies, statements, and actions in relation to the and actions in relation to the energy and actions in relation to the energy and and actions in relation to the energy and resources and actions in relation to the energy and resources portfolio? The The Hon The Hon David The Hon David Parker. The Hon David Parker. Mr The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, on The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, on behalf The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, on behalf of The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Energy The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Energy and behalf of the Minister of Energy and Resources, behalf of the Minister of Energy and Resources, yes. behalf of the Minister of Energy and Resources, yes. Thank behalf of the Minister of Energy and Resources, yes. Thank you. Resources, yes. Thank you. Is Resources, yes. Thank you. Is the Resources, yes. Thank you. Is the Minister Resources, yes. Thank you. Is the Minister concerned Resources, yes. Thank you. Is the Minister concerned by Resources, yes. Thank you. Is the Minister concerned by the Is the Minister concerned by the comments Is the Minister concerned by the comments to Is the Minister concerned by the comments to the Is the Minister concerned by the comments to the select Is the Minister concerned by the comments to the select committee comments to the select committee yesterday comments to the select committee yesterday which comments to the select committee yesterday which said, comments to the select committee yesterday which said, "The comments to the select committee yesterday which said, "The country yesterday which said, "The country has yesterday which said, "The country has just yesterday which said, "The country has just seven yesterday which said, "The country has just seven years' yesterday which said, "The country has just seven years' firm yesterday which said, "The country has just seven years' firm supply has just seven years' firm supply with has just seven years' firm supply with natural has just seven years' firm supply with natural gas has just seven years' firm supply with natural gas production has just seven years' firm supply with natural gas production forecast with natural gas production forecast to with natural gas production forecast to start with natural gas production forecast to start falling with natural gas production forecast to start falling away with natural gas production forecast to start falling away from with natural gas production forecast to start falling away from 2021 to start falling away from 2021 onwards", to start falling away from 2021 onwards", and to start falling away from 2021 onwards", and that to start falling away from 2021 onwards", and that "we to start falling away from 2021 onwards", and that "we are to start falling away from 2021 onwards", and that "we are heading onwards", and that "we are heading towards onwards", and that "we are heading towards a onwards", and that "we are heading towards a gas onwards", and that "we are heading towards a gas supply onwards", and that "we are heading towards a gas supply gap onwards", and that "we are heading towards a gas supply gap in onwards", and that "we are heading towards a gas supply gap in New towards a gas supply gap in New Zealand"? 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Wind power is already cheaper than new generation capacity. Wind power is already cheaper than gas, new generation capacity. 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We can only do so reduce emissions by using more fossil fuels. We can only do so by fossil fuels. We can only do so by using fossil fuels. We can only do so by using more fossil fuels. We can only do so by using more renewables. fossil fuels. We can only do so by using more renewables. The using more renewables. The announcement using more renewables. The announcement today using more renewables. The announcement today by using more renewables. The announcement today by Genesis using more renewables. The announcement today by Genesis shows announcement today by Genesis shows we're announcement today by Genesis shows we're heading announcement today by Genesis shows we're heading in announcement today by Genesis shows we're heading in the announcement today by Genesis shows we're heading in the right we're heading in the right direction. we're heading in the right direction. Is we're heading in the right direction. Is the we're heading in the right direction. Is the Minister we're heading in the right direction. Is the Minister concerned direction. Is the Minister concerned by direction. Is the Minister concerned by OMB's direction. Is the Minister concerned by OMB's comments direction. Is the Minister concerned by OMB's comments that direction. Is the Minister concerned by OMB's comments that the direction. Is the Minister concerned by OMB's comments that the country by OMB's comments that the country sill by OMB's comments that the country sill needs by OMB's comments that the country sill needs a by OMB's comments that the country sill needs a new by OMB's comments that the country sill needs a new immediate by OMB's comments that the country sill needs a new immediate discovery sill needs a new immediate discovery to sill needs a new immediate discovery to maintain sill needs a new immediate discovery to maintain security sill needs a new immediate discovery to maintain security of sill needs a new immediate discovery to maintain security of supply sill needs a new immediate discovery to maintain security of supply over to maintain security of supply over the to maintain security of supply over the next to maintain security of supply over the next decade? the next decade? But the next decade? But the the next decade? But the new the next decade? But the new offshore the next decade? 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I confidence of security supply measures right. I have confidence of security supply measures right. I have heard measures right. I have heard scaremongering measures right. I have heard scaremongering about measures right. I have heard scaremongering about those measures right. I have heard scaremongering about those opposite scaremongering about those opposite about scaremongering about those opposite about how scaremongering about those opposite about how impossible scaremongering about those opposite about how impossible it scaremongering about those opposite about how impossible it was scaremongering about those opposite about how impossible it was to about how impossible it was to increase about how impossible it was to increase renewables, about how impossible it was to increase renewables, which about how impossible it was to increase renewables, which is about how impossible it was to increase renewables, which is wrong. increase renewables, which is wrong. You increase renewables, which is wrong. You opposed increase renewables, which is wrong. You opposed it increase renewables, which is wrong. You opposed it at increase renewables, which is wrong. You opposed it at the increase renewables, which is wrong. You opposed it at the time, increase renewables, which is wrong. You opposed it at the time, Dr You opposed it at the time, Dr Smith, You opposed it at the time, Dr Smith, through You opposed it at the time, Dr Smith, through your You opposed it at the time, Dr Smith, through your then You opposed it at the time, Dr Smith, through your then energy Smith, through your then energy spokesperson. Smith, through your then energy spokesperson. I Smith, through your then energy spokesperson. I would Smith, through your then energy spokesperson. I would take Smith, through your then energy spokesperson. I would take some spokesperson. I would take some comfort spokesperson. I would take some comfort if spokesperson. I would take some comfort if I spokesperson. I would take some comfort if I was spokesperson. I would take some comfort if I was the spokesperson. I would take some comfort if I was the member spokesperson. I would take some comfort if I was the member and spokesperson. I would take some comfort if I was the member and so comfort if I was the member and so interested comfort if I was the member and so interested in comfort if I was the member and so interested in the comfort if I was the member and so interested in the use comfort if I was the member and so interested in the use of comfort if I was the member and so interested in the use of gas comfort if I was the member and so interested in the use of gas rather interested in the use of gas rather than interested in the use of gas rather than renewables interested in the use of gas rather than renewables that interested in the use of gas rather than renewables that Todd interested in the use of gas rather than renewables that Todd Energy interested in the use of gas rather than renewables that Todd Energy has than renewables that Todd Energy has recently than renewables that Todd Energy has recently committed than renewables that Todd Energy has recently committed to than renewables that Todd Energy has recently committed to a than renewables that Todd Energy has recently committed to a substantial recently committed to a substantial investment recently committed to a substantial investment in recently committed to a substantial investment in a recently committed to a substantial investment in a new recently committed to a substantial investment in a new gas recently committed to a substantial investment in a new gas peaker investment in a new gas peaker plant, investment in a new gas peaker plant, which investment in a new gas peaker plant, which of investment in a new gas peaker plant, which of course investment in a new gas peaker plant, which of course we investment in a new gas peaker plant, which of course we will investment in a new gas peaker plant, which of course we will need plant, which of course we will need in plant, which of course we will need in the plant, which of course we will need in the transition plant, which of course we will need in the transition to plant, which of course we will need in the transition to more in the transition to more renewables. renewables. What renewables. What plan renewables. What plan does renewables. What plan does the renewables. What plan does the Minister renewables. What plan does the Minister have renewables. What plan does the Minister have to What plan does the Minister have to ensure What plan does the Minister have to ensure New What plan does the Minister have to ensure New Zealanders What plan does the Minister have to ensure New Zealanders have What plan does the Minister have to ensure New Zealanders have access What plan does the Minister have to ensure New Zealanders have access to ensure New Zealanders have access to affordable ensure New Zealanders have access to affordable electricity ensure New Zealanders have access to affordable electricity when ensure New Zealanders have access to affordable electricity when current affordable electricity when current hydrostorage affordable electricity when current hydrostorage is affordable electricity when current hydrostorage is at affordable electricity when current hydrostorage is at its affordable electricity when current hydrostorage is at its lowest affordable electricity when current hydrostorage is at its lowest point hydrostorage is at its lowest point at hydrostorage is at its lowest point at this hydrostorage is at its lowest point at this time hydrostorage is at its lowest point at this time of hydrostorage is at its lowest point at this time of the hydrostorage is at its lowest point at this time of the year hydrostorage is at its lowest point at this time of the year since hydrostorage is at its lowest point at this time of the year since 2010, at this time of the year since 2010, with at this time of the year since 2010, with September at this time of the year since 2010, with September wholesale at this time of the year since 2010, with September wholesale prices at this time of the year since 2010, with September wholesale prices up with September wholesale prices up 58% with September wholesale prices up 58% on with September wholesale prices up 58% on the with September wholesale prices up 58% on the same with September wholesale prices up 58% on the same month with September wholesale prices up 58% on the same month as with September wholesale prices up 58% on the same month as last with September wholesale prices up 58% on the same month as last year, 58% on the same month as last year, and 58% on the same month as last year, and longer-term 58% on the same month as last year, and longer-term natural 58% on the same month as last year, and longer-term natural gas 58% on the same month as last year, and longer-term natural gas backup and longer-term natural gas backup constrained and longer-term natural gas backup constrained and and longer-term natural gas backup constrained and less and longer-term natural gas backup constrained and less likely and longer-term natural gas backup constrained and less likely to and longer-term natural gas backup constrained and less likely to be constrained and less likely to be available? available? <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Mr <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, I <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, I have <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, I have great <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, I have great confidence Mr Speaker, I have great confidence because Mr Speaker, I have great confidence because I Mr Speaker, I have great confidence because I understand Mr Speaker, I have great confidence because I understand that Mr Speaker, I have great confidence because I understand that the Mr Speaker, I have great confidence because I understand that the core because I understand that the core principle because I understand that the core principle that because I understand that the core principle that lies because I understand that the core principle that lies at because I understand that the core principle that lies at the because I understand that the core principle that lies at the heart because I understand that the core principle that lies at the heart of principle that lies at the heart of the principle that lies at the heart of the New principle that lies at the heart of the New Zealand principle that lies at the heart of the New Zealand electricity principle that lies at the heart of the New Zealand electricity market the New Zealand electricity market is the New Zealand electricity market is that the New Zealand electricity market is that long-term the New Zealand electricity market is that long-term prices... the New Zealand electricity market is that long-term prices... 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I have great confidence that long-term prices Thank you, Mr Speaker. I have great confidence that long-term prices are confidence that long-term prices are under confidence that long-term prices are under control confidence that long-term prices are under control because confidence that long-term prices are under control because I confidence that long-term prices are under control because I understand under control because I understand that under control because I understand that the under control because I understand that the most under control because I understand that the most basic under control because I understand that the most basic principle under control because I understand that the most basic principle that that the most basic principle that lies that the most basic principle that lies at that the most basic principle that lies at the that the most basic principle that lies at the heart that the most basic principle that lies at the heart of that the most basic principle that lies at the heart of New that the most basic principle that lies at the heart of New Zealand's lies at the heart of New Zealand's electricity lies at the heart of New Zealand's electricity system lies at the heart of New Zealand's electricity system is lies at the heart of New Zealand's electricity system is that lies at the heart of New Zealand's electricity system is that long-term electricity system is that long-term prices electricity system is that long-term prices for electricity system is that long-term prices for electricity electricity system is that long-term prices for electricity are electricity system is that long-term prices for electricity are set electricity system is that long-term prices for electricity are set by prices for electricity are set by the prices for electricity are set by the cost prices for electricity are set by the cost of prices for electricity are set by the cost of new prices for electricity are set by the cost of new generation prices for electricity are set by the cost of new generation capacity. the cost of new generation capacity. We the cost of new generation capacity. We know, the cost of new generation capacity. We know, on the cost of new generation capacity. We know, on this the cost of new generation capacity. We know, on this very the cost of new generation capacity. We know, on this very day, the cost of new generation capacity. We know, on this very day, that the cost of new generation capacity. We know, on this very day, that wind We know, on this very day, that wind power We know, on this very day, that wind power is We know, on this very day, that wind power is already We know, on this very day, that wind power is already cheaper We know, on this very day, that wind power is already cheaper than We know, on this very day, that wind power is already cheaper than gas, power is already cheaper than gas, which power is already cheaper than gas, which is power is already cheaper than gas, which is why power is already cheaper than gas, which is why Genesis power is already cheaper than gas, which is why Genesis have, power is already cheaper than gas, which is why Genesis have, today, which is why Genesis have, today, announced which is why Genesis have, today, announced that which is why Genesis have, today, announced that they're which is why Genesis have, today, announced that they're investing which is why Genesis have, today, announced that they're investing in announced that they're investing in a announced that they're investing in a new announced that they're investing in a new 100 announced that they're investing in a new 100 megawatt announced that they're investing in a new 100 megawatt wind announced that they're investing in a new 100 megawatt wind farm announced that they're investing in a new 100 megawatt wind farm in a new 100 megawatt wind farm in Taranaki, a new 100 megawatt wind farm in Taranaki, not a new 100 megawatt wind farm in Taranaki, not in a new 100 megawatt wind farm in Taranaki, not in more a new 100 megawatt wind farm in Taranaki, not in more gas. a new 100 megawatt wind farm in Taranaki, not in more gas. That's Taranaki, not in more gas. That's because Taranaki, not in more gas. That's because wind Taranaki, not in more gas. That's because wind is Taranaki, not in more gas. That's because wind is already Taranaki, not in more gas. That's because wind is already cheaper Taranaki, not in more gas. That's because wind is already cheaper than because wind is already cheaper than new because wind is already cheaper than new gas. new gas. Supplementary new gas. Supplementary question, new gas. Supplementary question, the new gas. Supplementary question, the Rt new gas. Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Talking Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Talking about Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Talking about the Winston Peters. Talking about the rise Winston Peters. Talking about the rise in Winston Peters. 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