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Members, Members, because Members, because it Members, because it is Members, because it is Tokelauan Members, because it is Tokelauan Language Members, because it is Tokelauan Language Week, Members, because it is Tokelauan Language Week, I've Members, because it is Tokelauan Language Week, I've asked Members, because it is Tokelauan Language Week, I've asked the Members, because it is Tokelauan Language Week, I've asked the Hon Language Week, I've asked the Hon Kris Language Week, I've asked the Hon Kris Faafoi Language Week, I've asked the Hon Kris Faafoi to Language Week, I've asked the Hon Kris Faafoi to say Language Week, I've asked the Hon Kris Faafoi to say the Language Week, I've asked the Hon Kris Faafoi to say the prayer Language Week, I've asked the Hon Kris Faafoi to say the prayer today. <PRAYER SPOKEN IN TOKELAUAN> <PRAYER SPOKEN IN TOKELAUAN> <PRAYER SPOKEN IN TOKELAUAN> The The Hon The Hon Eugenie The Hon Eugenie Sage. Point Point of Point of order. Point of order. I Point of order. I seek Point of order. I seek leave Point of order. I seek leave to Point of order. I seek leave to move Point of order. I seek leave to move a Point of order. I seek leave to move a motion Point of order. I seek leave to move a motion without Point of order. I seek leave to move a motion without notice Point of order. I seek leave to move a motion without notice and Point of order. I seek leave to move a motion without notice and without a motion without notice and without Point a motion without notice and without Point of a motion without notice and without Point of order. a motion without notice and without Point of order. I a motion without notice and without Point of order. I seek a motion without notice and without Point of order. I seek leave a motion without notice and without Point of order. I seek leave to a motion without notice and without Point of order. I seek leave to move Point of order. I seek leave to move a Point of order. I seek leave to move a motion Point of order. I seek leave to move a motion without Point of order. I seek leave to move a motion without notice Point of order. I seek leave to move a motion without notice and Point of order. 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Committee reports inform the House of the results of those the House of the results of those activities the House of the results of those activities of the House of the results of those activities of the the House of the results of those activities of the different activities of the different perspective activities of the different perspective of activities of the different perspective of members activities of the different perspective of members and activities of the different perspective of members and of perspective of members and of recommended perspective of members and of recommended changes. perspective of members and of recommended changes. In perspective of members and of recommended changes. In a recommended changes. In a unicamerial recommended changes. In a unicamerial -- recommended changes. 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How many cents per To answer the member's question, yes. How many cents per litre To answer the member's question, yes. How many cents per litre have yes. How many cents per litre have taxes yes. How many cents per litre have taxes on yes. How many cents per litre have taxes on petrol yes. How many cents per litre have taxes on petrol increased yes. How many cents per litre have taxes on petrol increased under yes. How many cents per litre have taxes on petrol increased under her taxes on petrol increased under her government? taxes on petrol increased under her government? Mr taxes on petrol increased under her government? Mr Speaker, taxes on petrol increased under her government? Mr Speaker, fuel taxes on petrol increased under her government? Mr Speaker, fuel prices government? Mr Speaker, fuel prices have government? Mr Speaker, fuel prices have risen government? Mr Speaker, fuel prices have risen 46 government? Mr Speaker, fuel prices have risen 46 cents government? Mr Speaker, fuel prices have risen 46 cents since government? Mr Speaker, fuel prices have risen 46 cents since we government? Mr Speaker, fuel prices have risen 46 cents since we came have risen 46 cents since we came into have risen 46 cents since we came into government have risen 46 cents since we came into government and have risen 46 cents since we came into government and fuel have risen 46 cents since we came into government and fuel excise have risen 46 cents since we came into government and fuel excise is into government and fuel excise is being into government and fuel excise is being increased into government and fuel excise is being increased by into government and fuel excise is being increased by 3.5c into government and fuel excise is being increased by 3.5c this into government and fuel excise is being increased by 3.5c this year being increased by 3.5c this year with being increased by 3.5c this year with a being increased by 3.5c this year with a regional being increased by 3.5c this year with a regional fuel being increased by 3.5c this year with a regional fuel tax being increased by 3.5c this year with a regional fuel tax of being increased by 3.5c this year with a regional fuel tax of 10c being increased by 3.5c this year with a regional fuel tax of 10c in with a regional fuel tax of 10c in Auckland. with a regional fuel tax of 10c in Auckland. MBIE with a regional fuel tax of 10c in Auckland. MBIE data with a regional fuel tax of 10c in Auckland. MBIE data indicates with a regional fuel tax of 10c in Auckland. MBIE data indicates tax Auckland. MBIE data indicates tax is, Auckland. MBIE data indicates tax is, including Auckland. MBIE data indicates tax is, including the Auckland. MBIE data indicates tax is, including the fact Auckland. MBIE data indicates tax is, including the fact it Auckland. MBIE data indicates tax is, including the fact it includes is, including the fact it includes excise is, including the fact it includes excise not is, including the fact it includes excise not regional is, including the fact it includes excise not regional fuel is, including the fact it includes excise not regional fuel tax, is, including the fact it includes excise not regional fuel tax, is excise not regional fuel tax, is 9.53c excise not regional fuel tax, is 9.53c of excise not regional fuel tax, is 9.53c of that excise not regional fuel tax, is 9.53c of that increase excise not regional fuel tax, is 9.53c of that increase and excise not regional fuel tax, is 9.53c of that increase and that 9.53c of that increase and that discounting 9.53c of that increase and that discounting changes 9.53c of that increase and that discounting changes the 9.53c of that increase and that discounting changes the price 9.53c of that increase and that discounting changes the price of discounting changes the price of fuel discounting changes the price of fuel overall discounting changes the price of fuel overall by discounting changes the price of fuel overall by 15c. discounting changes the price of fuel overall by 15c. Because discounting changes the price of fuel overall by 15c. Because she fuel overall by 15c. Because she accept fuel overall by 15c. Because she accept that fuel overall by 15c. Because she accept that under fuel overall by 15c. Because she accept that under her fuel overall by 15c. Because she accept that under her Government, accept that under her Government, petrol accept that under her Government, petrol taxes accept that under her Government, petrol taxes have accept that under her Government, petrol taxes have increased accept that under her Government, petrol taxes have increased by accept that under her Government, petrol taxes have increased by more petrol taxes have increased by more than petrol taxes have increased by more than 10c petrol taxes have increased by more than 10c outside petrol taxes have increased by more than 10c outside of petrol taxes have increased by more than 10c outside of Auckland petrol taxes have increased by more than 10c outside of Auckland and petrol taxes have increased by more than 10c outside of Auckland and 20c than 10c outside of Auckland and 20c in than 10c outside of Auckland and 20c in Auckland than 10c outside of Auckland and 20c in Auckland while than 10c outside of Auckland and 20c in Auckland while the than 10c outside of Auckland and 20c in Auckland while the trend than 10c outside of Auckland and 20c in Auckland while the trend for in Auckland while the trend for importer in Auckland while the trend for importer margin in Auckland while the trend for importer margin has in Auckland while the trend for importer margin has increased in Auckland while the trend for importer margin has increased by importer margin has increased by just importer margin has increased by just 1c? importer margin has increased by just 1c? Mr importer margin has increased by just 1c? Mr Speaker, importer margin has increased by just 1c? Mr Speaker, no, importer margin has increased by just 1c? Mr Speaker, no, I importer margin has increased by just 1c? Mr Speaker, no, I don't just 1c? Mr Speaker, no, I don't accept just 1c? Mr Speaker, no, I don't accept that just 1c? Mr Speaker, no, I don't accept that member's just 1c? Mr Speaker, no, I don't accept that member's analysis. just 1c? Mr Speaker, no, I don't accept that member's analysis. The accept that member's analysis. The change accept that member's analysis. The change in accept that member's analysis. The change in margin accept that member's analysis. The change in margin since accept that member's analysis. The change in margin since the change in margin since the Government change in margin since the Government came change in margin since the Government came into change in margin since the Government came into office change in margin since the Government came into office was Government came into office was 9.28c. Government came into office was 9.28c. That's Government came into office was 9.28c. That's the Government came into office was 9.28c. That's the actual Government came into office was 9.28c. That's the actual margin. Government came into office was 9.28c. That's the actual margin. Is 9.28c. That's the actual margin. Is the 9.28c. That's the actual margin. Is the importer 9.28c. That's the actual margin. Is the importer margin 9.28c. That's the actual margin. Is the importer margin for 9.28c. That's the actual margin. Is the importer margin for - 9.28c. That's the actual margin. Is the importer margin for - sorry. 9.28c. That's the actual margin. Is the importer margin for - sorry. Is the importer margin for - sorry. Is the the importer margin for - sorry. Is the importer the importer margin for - sorry. Is the importer margin the importer margin for - sorry. Is the importer margin all the importer margin for - sorry. Is the importer margin all profit the importer margin for - sorry. Is the importer margin all profit for the importer margin all profit for petrol the importer margin all profit for petrol retailers the importer margin all profit for petrol retailers or the importer margin all profit for petrol retailers or does the importer margin all profit for petrol retailers or does it the importer margin all profit for petrol retailers or does it also petrol retailers or does it also cover petrol retailers or does it also cover costs? petrol retailers or does it also cover costs? Mr petrol retailers or does it also cover costs? Mr Speaker, petrol retailers or does it also cover costs? Mr Speaker, our petrol retailers or does it also cover costs? Mr Speaker, our concern cover costs? Mr Speaker, our concern has cover costs? Mr Speaker, our concern has not cover costs? Mr Speaker, our concern has not just cover costs? Mr Speaker, our concern has not just been cover costs? Mr Speaker, our concern has not just been the cover costs? 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Does he think that having more than 65,000 think that having more than 65,000 workers think that having more than 65,000 workers go think that having more than 65,000 workers go on think that having more than 65,000 workers go on strike think that having more than 65,000 workers go on strike in think that having more than 65,000 workers go on strike in the think that having more than 65,000 workers go on strike in the past think that having more than 65,000 workers go on strike in the past 12 workers go on strike in the past 12 months, workers go on strike in the past 12 months, more workers go on strike in the past 12 months, more than workers go on strike in the past 12 months, more than double workers go on strike in the past 12 months, more than double the workers go on strike in the past 12 months, more than double the total months, more than double the total of months, more than double the total of the months, more than double the total of the previous months, more than double the total of the previous nine months, more than double the total of the previous nine years, months, more than double the total of the previous nine years, does months, more than double the total of the previous nine years, does he of the previous nine years, does he think of the previous nine years, does he think that's of the previous nine years, does he think that's helping of the previous nine years, does he think that's helping businesses think that's helping businesses remain think that's helping businesses of think that's helping businesses remain competitive? 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How much of the Government's contingency fund in Budget 2018 contingency fund in Budget 2018 which contingency fund in Budget 2018 which was contingency fund in Budget 2018 which was largely contingency fund in Budget 2018 which was largely set contingency fund in Budget 2018 which was largely set aside contingency fund in Budget 2018 which was largely set aside for which was largely set aside for public which was largely set aside for public sector which was largely set aside for public sector pay which was largely set aside for public sector pay rounds which was largely set aside for public sector pay rounds has which was largely set aside for public sector pay rounds has so which was largely set aside for public sector pay rounds has so far public sector pay rounds has so far been public sector pay rounds has so far been allocated? public sector pay rounds has so far been allocated? I public sector pay rounds has so far been allocated? 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So is his message to New Zealanders just his message to New Zealanders just to his message to New Zealanders just to "get his message to New Zealanders just to "get used" his message to New Zealanders just to "get used" to his message to New Zealanders just to "get used" to more his message to New Zealanders just to "get used" to more and his message to New Zealanders just to "get used" to more and more to "get used" to more and more strike to "get used" to more and more strike disruption to "get used" to more and more strike disruption in to "get used" to more and more strike disruption in light to "get used" to more and more strike disruption in light of to "get used" to more and more strike disruption in light of Unite strike disruption in light of Unite Union strike disruption in light of Unite Union representatives strike disruption in light of Unite Union representatives telling strike disruption in light of Unite Union representatives telling The Union representatives telling The Guardian Union representatives telling The Guardian they're Union representatives telling The Guardian they're gearing Union representatives telling The Guardian they're gearing up Union representatives telling The Guardian they're gearing up for Union representatives telling The Guardian they're gearing up for a Guardian they're gearing up for a big Guardian they're gearing up for a big round Guardian they're gearing up for a big round of Guardian they're gearing up for a big round of strikes Guardian they're gearing up for a big round of strikes in Guardian they're gearing up for a big round of strikes in 2019? 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No, the my message to New Zealanders is the my message to New Zealanders is the the my message to New Zealanders is the economy the my message to New Zealanders is the economy is the my message to New Zealanders is the economy is growing the my message to New Zealanders is the economy is growing and the my message to New Zealanders is the economy is growing and it the my message to New Zealanders is the economy is growing and it is the economy is growing and it is time the economy is growing and it is time for the economy is growing and it is time for the the economy is growing and it is time for the benefits the economy is growing and it is time for the benefits to the economy is growing and it is time for the benefits to be the economy is growing and it is time for the benefits to be shared time for the benefits to be shared across time for the benefits to be shared across all time for the benefits to be shared across all New time for the benefits to be shared across all New Zealanders time for the benefits to be shared across all New Zealanders after time for the benefits to be shared across all New Zealanders after nine across all New Zealanders after nine years across all New Zealanders after nine years of across all New Zealanders after nine years of those across all New Zealanders after nine years of those opposite. across all New Zealanders after nine years of those opposite. 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The ministerial working group is meeting ministerial working group is meeting this ministerial working group is meeting this week ministerial working group is meeting this week to ministerial working group is meeting this week to consider ministerial working group is meeting this week to consider a ministerial working group is meeting this week to consider a range ministerial working group is meeting this week to consider a range of this week to consider a range of matters this week to consider a range of matters before this week to consider a range of matters before taking this week to consider a range of matters before taking a this week to consider a range of matters before taking a proposal this week to consider a range of matters before taking a proposal to matters before taking a proposal to Cabinet matters before taking a proposal to Cabinet for matters before taking a proposal to Cabinet for final matters before taking a proposal to Cabinet for final decisions. Cabinet for final decisions. Question Cabinet for final decisions. Question no. Cabinet for final decisions. Question no. 5, Cabinet for final decisions. Question no. 5, the Cabinet for final decisions. Question no. 5, the Hon Cabinet for final decisions. Question no. 5, the Hon Judith Question no. 5, the Hon Judith Collins. Question no. 5, the Hon Judith Collins. Thank Question no. 5, the Hon Judith Collins. Thank you, Question no. 5, the Hon Judith Collins. Thank you, Mr Question no. 5, the Hon Judith Collins. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Housing and Urban Development: Is Housing and Urban Development: Is he Housing and Urban Development: Is he confident Housing and Urban Development: Is he confident KiwiBuild Housing and Urban Development: Is he confident KiwiBuild will Is he confident KiwiBuild will achieve Is he confident KiwiBuild will achieve the Is he confident KiwiBuild will achieve the Government's Is he confident KiwiBuild will achieve the Government's "Overall achieve the Government's "Overall objectives achieve the Government's "Overall objectives to achieve the Government's "Overall objectives to support achieve the Government's "Overall objectives to support a achieve the Government's "Overall objectives to support a range achieve the Government's "Overall objectives to support a range of objectives to support a range of family objectives to support a range of family and objectives to support a range of family and household objectives to support a range of family and household types"? The The Hon The Hon Phil The Hon Phil Twyford. The Hon Phil Twyford. The The Hon Phil Twyford. The national The Hon Phil Twyford. The national housing The Hon Phil Twyford. The national housing crisis The Hon Phil Twyford. The national housing crisis is The Hon Phil Twyford. The national housing crisis is so The Hon Phil Twyford. The national housing crisis is so bad The Hon Phil Twyford. The national housing crisis is so bad it The Hon Phil Twyford. The national housing crisis is so bad it is housing crisis is so bad it is affecting housing crisis is so bad it is affecting all housing crisis is so bad it is affecting all kinds housing crisis is so bad it is affecting all kinds of housing crisis is so bad it is affecting all kinds of families, housing crisis is so bad it is affecting all kinds of families, big affecting all kinds of families, big families, affecting all kinds of families, big families, small affecting all kinds of families, big families, small families, affecting all kinds of families, big families, small families, couples families, small families, couples without families, small families, couples without kids, families, small families, couples without kids, single families, small families, couples without kids, single parents families, small families, couples without kids, single parents with without kids, single parents with kids, without kids, single parents with kids, people without kids, single parents with kids, people who without kids, single parents with kids, people who live without kids, single parents with kids, people who live alone without kids, single parents with kids, people who live alone with kids, people who live alone with their kids, people who live alone with their cat, kids, people who live alone with their cat, and kids, people who live alone with their cat, and we kids, people who live alone with their cat, and we are kids, people who live alone with their cat, and we are building their cat, and we are building affordable their cat, and we are building affordable homes their cat, and we are building affordable homes for their cat, and we are building affordable homes for all their cat, and we are building affordable homes for all kinds their cat, and we are building affordable homes for all kinds of affordable homes for all kinds of Kiwis. affordable homes for all kinds of Kiwis. I affordable homes for all kinds of Kiwis. I am affordable homes for all kinds of Kiwis. I am confident affordable homes for all kinds of Kiwis. I am confident that affordable homes for all kinds of Kiwis. I am confident that KiwiBuild Kiwis. I am confident that KiwiBuild will Kiwis. I am confident that KiwiBuild will achieve Kiwis. I am confident that KiwiBuild will achieve the Kiwis. I am confident that KiwiBuild will achieve the Government's will achieve the Government's objectives will achieve the Government's objectives to will achieve the Government's objectives to support will achieve the Government's objectives to support a will achieve the Government's objectives to support a range will achieve the Government's objectives to support a range of objectives to support a range of family objectives to support a range of family and objectives to support a range of family and household objectives to support a range of family and household types. family and household types. Why family and household types. Why would family and household types. Why would he family and household types. Why would he tell family and household types. Why would he tell Cabinet family and household types. Why would he tell Cabinet earlier Why would he tell Cabinet earlier this Why would he tell Cabinet earlier this year Why would he tell Cabinet earlier this year that Why would he tell Cabinet earlier this year that smaller Why would he tell Cabinet earlier this year that smaller houses Why would he tell Cabinet earlier this year that smaller houses were this year that smaller houses were likely this year that smaller houses were likely to this year that smaller houses were likely to be this year that smaller houses were likely to be built this year that smaller houses were likely to be built to this year that smaller houses were likely to be built to "achieve this year that smaller houses were likely to be built to "achieve the likely to be built to "achieve the price likely to be built to "achieve the price points likely to be built to "achieve the price points which likely to be built to "achieve the price points which have likely to be built to "achieve the price points which have been price points which have been established price points which have been established for price points which have been established for the price points which have been established for the programme", price points which have been established for the programme", but established for the programme", but that established for the programme", but that this established for the programme", but that this risked established for the programme", but that this risked not established for the programme", but that this risked not achieving established for the programme", but that this risked not achieving the that this risked not achieving the Government's that this risked not achieving the Government's overall that this risked not achieving the Government's overall objectives? Government's overall objectives? Because Government's overall objectives? Because it's Government's overall objectives? Because it's all Government's overall objectives? Because it's all about Government's overall objectives? Because it's all about striking Government's overall objectives? Because it's all about striking the Because it's all about striking the right Because it's all about striking the right balance, Because it's all about striking the right balance, you Because it's all about striking the right balance, you know, Because it's all about striking the right balance, you know, we're Because it's all about striking the right balance, you know, we're going right balance, you know, we're going to right balance, you know, we're going to be right balance, you know, we're going to be building right balance, you know, we're going to be building mostly right balance, you know, we're going to be building mostly through right balance, you know, we're going to be building mostly through the to be building mostly through the KiwiBuild to be building mostly through the KiwiBuild programme to be building mostly through the KiwiBuild programme three-bedroomed KiwiBuild programme three-bedroomed homes KiwiBuild programme three-bedroomed homes because KiwiBuild programme three-bedroomed homes because that's KiwiBuild programme three-bedroomed homes because that's what KiwiBuild programme three-bedroomed homes because that's what most KiwiBuild programme three-bedroomed homes because that's what most first homes because that's what most first home homes because that's what most first home buyers homes because that's what most first home buyers want. homes because that's what most first home buyers want. But homes because that's what most first home buyers want. But there homes because that's what most first home buyers want. But there is homes because that's what most first home buyers want. But there is a home buyers want. But there is a huge home buyers want. But there is a huge shortfall home buyers want. But there is a huge shortfall in home buyers want. But there is a huge shortfall in the home buyers want. But there is a huge shortfall in the current huge shortfall in the current provision huge shortfall in the current provision of huge shortfall in the current provision of one-storey huge shortfall in the current provision of one-storey homes, provision of one-storey homes, one-and provision of one-storey homes, one-and two-storey provision of one-storey homes, one-and two-storey homes provision of one-storey homes, one-and two-storey homes for provision of one-storey homes, one-and two-storey homes for smaller one-and two-storey homes for smaller families one-and two-storey homes for smaller families and one-and two-storey homes for smaller families and a one-and two-storey homes for smaller families and a shortage one-and two-storey homes for smaller families and a shortage of one-and two-storey homes for smaller families and a shortage of larger families and a shortage of larger homes families and a shortage of larger homes for families and a shortage of larger homes for larger families and a shortage of larger homes for larger families families and a shortage of larger homes for larger families like homes for larger families like four-bedroom homes for larger families like four-bedroom homes. homes for larger families like four-bedroom homes. We'll homes for larger families like four-bedroom homes. We'll be homes for larger families like four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing homes for larger families like four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing a four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing a mix four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing a mix of four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing a mix of those four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing a mix of those and four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing a mix of those and we'll four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing a mix of those and we'll be four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing a mix of those and we'll be doing four-bedroom homes. We'll be doing a mix of those and we'll be doing our mix of those and we'll be doing our best mix of those and we'll be doing our best to mix of those and we'll be doing our best to strike mix of those and we'll be doing our best to strike the mix of those and we'll be doing our best to strike the right mix of those and we'll be doing our best to strike the right mix. mix of those and we'll be doing our best to strike the right mix. Why best to strike the right mix. Why are best to strike the right mix. Why are there best to strike the right mix. Why are there only best to strike the right mix. Why are there only 11 best to strike the right mix. Why are there only 11 KiwiBuild best to strike the right mix. Why are there only 11 KiwiBuild houses are there only 11 KiwiBuild houses under are there only 11 KiwiBuild houses under construction are there only 11 KiwiBuild houses under construction that are there only 11 KiwiBuild houses under construction that have are there only 11 KiwiBuild houses under construction that have three under construction that have three or under construction that have three or more under construction that have three or more bedrooms under construction that have three or more bedrooms with under construction that have three or more bedrooms with most under construction that have three or more bedrooms with most of under construction that have three or more bedrooms with most of those, or more bedrooms with most of those, by or more bedrooms with most of those, by the or more bedrooms with most of those, by the way, or more bedrooms with most of those, by the way, being or more bedrooms with most of those, by the way, being in or more bedrooms with most of those, by the way, being in Wanaka? or more bedrooms with most of those, by the way, being in Wanaka? Well, by the way, being in Wanaka? Well, I'm by the way, being in Wanaka? Well, I'm not by the way, being in Wanaka? Well, I'm not sure by the way, being in Wanaka? Well, I'm not sure what by the way, being in Wanaka? Well, I'm not sure what the by the way, being in Wanaka? Well, I'm not sure what the member's I'm not sure what the member's referring I'm not sure what the member's referring to I'm not sure what the member's referring to but I'm not sure what the member's referring to but more I'm not sure what the member's referring to but more than I'm not sure what the member's referring to but more than 70%, I'm not sure what the member's referring to but more than 70%, 70%, referring to but more than 70%, 70%, of referring to but more than 70%, 70%, of the referring to but more than 70%, 70%, of the KiwiBuild referring to but more than 70%, 70%, of the KiwiBuild homes referring to but more than 70%, 70%, of the KiwiBuild homes that referring to but more than 70%, 70%, of the KiwiBuild homes that the of the KiwiBuild homes that the Government of the KiwiBuild homes that the Government has of the KiwiBuild homes that the Government has so of the KiwiBuild homes that the Government has so far of the KiwiBuild homes that the Government has so far announced of the KiwiBuild homes that the Government has so far announced in Government has so far announced in the Government has so far announced in the first Government has so far announced in the first year Government has so far announced in the first year of Government has so far announced in the first year of the Government has so far announced in the first year of the programme Government has so far announced in the first year of the programme have the first year of the programme have three the first year of the programme have three or the first year of the programme have three or more the first year of the programme have three or more bedrooms. three or more bedrooms. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Is <INTERRUPTION> Is he <INTERRUPTION> Is he able <INTERRUPTION> Is he able to <INTERRUPTION> Is he able to build <INTERRUPTION> Is he able to build sufficient Is he able to build sufficient three-bedroom Is he able to build sufficient three-bedroom houses Is he able to build sufficient three-bedroom houses in Is he able to build sufficient three-bedroom houses in Auckland Is he able to build sufficient three-bedroom houses in Auckland for three-bedroom houses in Auckland for the three-bedroom houses in Auckland for the 650,000-dollar three-bedroom houses in Auckland for the 650,000-dollar affordable three-bedroom houses in Auckland for the 650,000-dollar affordable price the 650,000-dollar affordable price point the 650,000-dollar affordable price three-bedroom the 650,000-dollar affordable price point he has the 650,000-dollar affordable price point he has established? the 650,000-dollar affordable price point he has established? Well, point he has established? Well, we're point he has established? Well, we're going point he has established? Well, we're going to point he has established? Well, we're going to do point he has established? Well, we're going to do our point he has established? Well, we're going to do our very point he has established? Well, we're going to do our very best point he has established? Well, we're going to do our very best to we're going to do our very best to achieve we're going to do our very best to achieve that. we're going to do our very best to achieve that. In we're going to do our very best to achieve that. In fact, we're going to do our very best to achieve that. In fact, the we're going to do our very best to achieve that. In fact, the first achieve that. In fact, the first KiwiBuild achieve that. In fact, the first KiwiBuild homes achieve that. In fact, the first KiwiBuild homes are achieve that. In fact, the first KiwiBuild homes are 12 achieve that. In fact, the first KiwiBuild homes are 12 three-bedroom KiwiBuild homes are 12 three-bedroom homes KiwiBuild homes are 12 three-bedroom homes selling KiwiBuild homes are 12 three-bedroom homes selling for KiwiBuild homes are 12 three-bedroom homes selling for $579,000, KiwiBuild homes are 12 three-bedroom homes selling for $579,000, way homes selling for $579,000, way under homes selling for $579,000, way under the homes selling for $579,000, way under the price homes selling for $579,000, way under the price cap homes selling for $579,000, way under the price cap for homes selling for $579,000, way under the price cap for Auckland homes selling for $579,000, way under the price cap for Auckland and under the price cap for Auckland and Queenstown under the price cap for Auckland and Queenstown of under the price cap for Auckland and Queenstown of $650,000. under the price cap for Auckland and Queenstown of $650,000. There'll Queenstown of $650,000. There'll also Queenstown of $650,000. There'll also be Queenstown of $650,000. There'll also be six Queenstown of $650,000. There'll also be six four-bedroom Queenstown of $650,000. There'll also be six four-bedroom homes also be six four-bedroom homes selling also be six four-bedroom homes selling for also be six four-bedroom homes selling for $649,000. also be six four-bedroom homes selling for $649,000. The also be six four-bedroom homes selling for $649,000. The first also be six four-bedroom homes selling for $649,000. The first 18 selling for $649,000. The first 18 families selling for $649,000. The first 18 families are selling for $649,000. The first 18 families are going selling for $649,000. The first 18 families are going to selling for $649,000. The first 18 families are going to move selling for $649,000. The first 18 families are going to move into families are going to move into their families are going to move into their KiwiBuild families are going to move into their KiwiBuild homes families are going to move into their KiwiBuild homes very families are going to move into their KiwiBuild homes very shortly, their KiwiBuild homes very shortly, Mr their KiwiBuild homes very shortly, Mr Speaker. their KiwiBuild homes very shortly, Mr Speaker. I their KiwiBuild homes very shortly, Mr Speaker. I know their KiwiBuild homes very shortly, Mr Speaker. I know they're their KiwiBuild homes very shortly, Mr Speaker. I know they're going their KiwiBuild homes very shortly, Mr Speaker. I know they're going to Mr Speaker. I know they're going to be Mr Speaker. I know they're going to be very Mr Speaker. I know they're going to be very happy Mr Speaker. I know they're going to be very happy to Mr Speaker. I know they're going to be very happy to do Mr Speaker. I know they're going to be very happy to do that. be very happy to do that. Why be very happy to do that. Why does be very happy to do that. Why does he be very happy to do that. Why does he believe be very happy to do that. Why does he believe that be very happy to do that. Why does he believe that 80% be very happy to do that. Why does he believe that 80% of Why does he believe that 80% of people Why does he believe that 80% of people who Why does he believe that 80% of people who responded Why does he believe that 80% of people who responded to Why does he believe that 80% of people who responded to the people who responded to the KiwiBuild people who responded to the KiwiBuild Registration people who responded to the KiwiBuild Registration of people who responded to the KiwiBuild Registration of Interest KiwiBuild Registration of Interest stated KiwiBuild Registration of Interest stated a KiwiBuild Registration of Interest stated a preference KiwiBuild Registration of Interest stated a preference for KiwiBuild Registration of Interest stated a preference for a KiwiBuild Registration of Interest stated a preference for a three-or KiwiBuild Registration of Interest stated a preference for a three-or a stated a preference for a three-or a four-bedroom stated a preference for a three-or a four-bedroom house? stated a preference for a three-or a four-bedroom house? Because stated a preference for a three-or a four-bedroom house? Because as stated a preference for a three-or a four-bedroom house? Because as I four-bedroom house? Because as I said, four-bedroom house? Because as I said, I four-bedroom house? Because as I said, I think four-bedroom house? Because as I said, I think that's four-bedroom house? Because as I said, I think that's where four-bedroom house? Because as I said, I think that's where the said, I think that's where the predominant said, I think that's where the predominant demand said, I think that's where the predominant demand lies said, I think that's where the predominant demand lies from predominant demand lies from first-home predominant demand lies from four-bedroom predominant demand lies from first-home buyers because predominant demand lies from first-home buyers because so predominant demand lies from first-home buyers because so many predominant demand lies from first-home buyers because so many of first-home buyers because so many of those first-home buyers because so many of those first-home first-home buyers because so many of those first-home buyers first-home buyers because so many of those first-home buyers are first-home buyers because so many of those first-home buyers are young those first-home buyers are young families. those first-home buyers are young families. That's those first-home buyers are young families. That's why those first-home buyers are young families. That's why 70% those first-home buyers are young families. That's why 70% of those first-home buyers are young families. That's why 70% of the families. That's why 70% of the homes families. That's why 70% of the homes that families. That's why 70% of the homes that we've families. That's why 70% of the homes that we've announced families. That's why 70% of the homes that we've announced for families. That's why 70% of the homes that we've announced for the homes that we've announced for the first homes that we've announced for the first year homes that we've announced for the first year of homes that we've announced for the first year of KiwiBuild homes that we've announced for the first year of KiwiBuild have homes that we've announced for the first year of KiwiBuild have three first year of KiwiBuild have three or first year of KiwiBuild have three or more first year of KiwiBuild have three or more bedrooms first year of KiwiBuild have three or more bedrooms and first year of KiwiBuild have three or more bedrooms and 87% first year of KiwiBuild have three or more bedrooms and 87% of first year of KiwiBuild have three or more bedrooms and 87% of the or more bedrooms and 87% of the homes or more bedrooms and 87% of the homes announced or more bedrooms and 87% of the homes announced for or more bedrooms and 87% of the homes announced for this or more bedrooms and 87% of the homes announced for this first homes announced for this first KiwiBuild homes announced for this first KiwiBuild year homes announced for this first KiwiBuild year are homes announced for this first KiwiBuild year are standalone homes announced for this first KiwiBuild year are standalone homes. KiwiBuild year are standalone homes. Question KiwiBuild year are standalone homes. Question no. KiwiBuild year are standalone homes. Question no. 6, KiwiBuild year are standalone homes. Question no. 6, the KiwiBuild year are standalone homes. Question no. 6, the Hon KiwiBuild year are standalone homes. Question no. 6, the Hon Paul Question no. 6, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. Question no. 6, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. Thank Question no. 6, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. Thank you, Question no. 6, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. Thank you, Mr Question no. 6, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: Transport: What Transport: What actions, Transport: What actions, if Transport: What actions, if any, Transport: What actions, if any, has What actions, if any, has he What actions, if any, has he taken What actions, if any, has he taken to What actions, if any, has he taken to maintain What actions, if any, has he taken to maintain public he taken to maintain public confidence he taken to maintain public confidence in he taken to maintain public confidence in public he taken to maintain public confidence in public transport? The The Hon The Hon Phil The Hon Phil Twyford. The Hon Phil Twyford. Mr The Hon Phil Twyford. Mr Speaker, The Hon Phil Twyford. Mr Speaker, as The Hon Phil Twyford. Mr Speaker, as Minister, The Hon Phil Twyford. Mr Speaker, as Minister, I've The Hon Phil Twyford. Mr Speaker, as Minister, I've made The Hon Phil Twyford. Mr Speaker, as Minister, I've made public The Hon Phil Twyford. Mr Speaker, as Minister, I've made public transport Minister, I've made public transport a Minister, I've made public transport a priority. Minister, I've made public transport a priority. Over Minister, I've made public transport a priority. Over the Minister, I've made public transport a priority. Over the next Minister, I've made public transport a priority. Over the next three a priority. Over the next three years a priority. Over the next three years we a priority. Over the next three years we will a priority. Over the next three years we will nearly a priority. Over the next three years we will nearly double years we will nearly double investment years we will nearly double investment in years we will nearly double investment in public years we will nearly double investment in public transport years we will nearly double investment in public transport to years we will nearly double investment in public transport to a investment in public transport to a record investment in public transport to a record $3.9 investment in public transport to a record $3.9 billion. investment in public transport to a record $3.9 billion. With investment in public transport to a record $3.9 billion. With regard investment in public transport to a record $3.9 billion. With regard to record $3.9 billion. With regard to the record $3.9 billion. With regard to the current record $3.9 billion. With regard to the current bus record $3.9 billion. With regard to the current bus disputes, record $3.9 billion. With regard to the current bus disputes, these the current bus disputes, these contracts the current bus disputes, these contracts were the current bus disputes, these contracts were let the current bus disputes, these contracts were let by the current bus disputes, these contracts were let by regional contracts were let by regional councils contracts were let by regional councils under contracts were let by regional councils under the contracts were let by regional councils under the past contracts were let by regional councils under the past Government, councils under the past Government, but councils under the past Government, but I councils under the past Government, but I encourage councils under the past Government, but I encourage the councils under the past Government, but I encourage the councils, councils under the past Government, but I encourage the councils, the but I encourage the councils, the companies but I encourage the councils, the companies and but I encourage the councils, the companies and the but I encourage the councils, the companies and the unions but I encourage the councils, the companies and the unions to but I encourage the councils, the companies and the unions to work companies and the unions to work together companies and the unions to work together to companies and the unions to work together to conclude companies and the unions to work together to conclude fair companies and the unions to work together to conclude fair deals companies and the unions to work together to conclude fair deals for together to conclude fair deals for the together to conclude fair deals for the drivers together to conclude fair deals for the drivers and together to conclude fair deals for the drivers and get together to conclude fair deals for the drivers and get the together to conclude fair deals for the drivers and get the buses together to conclude fair deals for the drivers and get the buses back the drivers and get the buses back on the drivers and get the buses back on the the drivers and get the buses back on the road. on the road. I've on the road. I've also on the road. I've also tasked on the road. I've also tasked officials on the road. I've also tasked officials with I've also tasked officials with examining I've also tasked officials with examining the I've also tasked officials with examining the past I've also tasked officials with examining the past Government's examining the past Government's competitive examining the past Government's competitive tendering examining the past Government's competitive tendering policy, examining the past Government's competitive tendering policy, PTOM, competitive tendering policy, PTOM, which competitive tendering policy, PTOM, which has competitive tendering policy, PTOM, which has created competitive tendering policy, PTOM, which has created significant which has created significant problems which has created significant problems for which has created significant problems for public which has created significant problems for public transport which has created significant problems for public transport users, problems for public transport users, drivers, problems for public transport users, drivers, providers problems for public transport users, drivers, providers and problems for public transport users, drivers, providers and councils drivers, providers and councils alike. alike. Supplementary. alike. Supplementary. How alike. Supplementary. How many alike. Supplementary. How many buses alike. Supplementary. How many buses or Supplementary. How many buses or trains Supplementary. How many buses or trains have Supplementary. How many buses or trains have to Supplementary. How many buses or trains have to not Supplementary. How many buses or trains have to not arrive Supplementary. How many buses or trains have to not arrive at Supplementary. How many buses or trains have to not arrive at the trains have to not arrive at the station trains have to not arrive at the station because trains have to not arrive at the station because of trains have to not arrive at the station because of strikes trains have to not arrive at the station because of strikes before trains have to not arrive at the station because of strikes before he station because of strikes before he will station because of strikes before he will take station because of strikes before he will take action station because of strikes before he will take action to station because of strikes before he will take action to restore will take action to restore confidence will take action to restore confidence in will take action to restore confidence in public will take action to restore confidence in public transport? will take action to restore confidence in public transport? I'm confidence in public transport? I'm doing confidence in public transport? I'm doing everything confidence in public transport? I'm doing everything I confidence in public transport? I'm doing everything I can confidence in public transport? I'm doing everything I can as confidence in public transport? I'm doing everything I can as Minister doing everything I can as Minister to doing everything I can as Minister to build doing everything I can as Minister to build public doing everything I can as Minister to build public confidence doing everything I can as Minister to build public confidence in doing everything I can as Minister to build public confidence in a to build public confidence in a public to build public confidence in a public transport to build public confidence in a public transport system to build public confidence in a public transport system that to build public confidence in a public transport system that was public transport system that was rundown, public transport system that was rundown, neglected public transport system that was rundown, neglected and public transport system that was rundown, neglected and underfunded rundown, neglected and underfunded for rundown, neglected and underfunded public rundown, neglected and underfunded for the last rundown, neglected and underfunded for the last nine rundown, neglected and underfunded for the last nine years rundown, neglected and underfunded for the last nine years under rundown, neglected and underfunded for the last nine years under that for the last nine years under that Government. Government. Supplementary. Government. Supplementary. How Government. Supplementary. How many Government. Supplementary. How many public Supplementary. How many public transport Supplementary. How many public transport strikes Supplementary. How many public transport strikes have Supplementary. How many public transport strikes have there Supplementary. How many public transport strikes have there been transport strikes have there been since transport strikes have there been since his transport strikes have there been since his Government transport strikes have there been since his Government came transport strikes have there been since his Government came into since his Government came into office? since his Government came into office? Well, since his Government came into office? Well, I since his Government came into office? Well, I draw since his Government came into office? Well, I draw the since his Government came into office? Well, I draw the member's office? Well, I draw the member's attention office? Well, I draw the member's attention to office? Well, I draw the member's attention to something office? Well, I draw the member's attention to something the office? Well, I draw the member's attention to something the Deputy office? Well, I draw the member's attention to something the Deputy PM attention to something the Deputy PM said. attention to something the Deputy PM said. You attention to something the Deputy PM said. You don't attention to something the Deputy PM said. You don't turn attention to something the Deputy PM said. You don't turn up attention to something the Deputy PM said. You don't turn up at attention to something the Deputy PM said. You don't turn up at the attention to something the Deputy PM said. You don't turn up at the bus said. You don't turn up at the bus stop said. You don't turn up at the bus stop if said. You don't turn up at the bus stop if you said. You don't turn up at the bus stop if you think said. You don't turn up at the bus stop if you think that said. You don't turn up at the bus stop if you think that the said. You don't turn up at the bus stop if you think that the bus said. You don't turn up at the bus stop if you think that the bus is stop if you think that the bus is never stop if you think that the bus is never going stop if you think that the bus is never going to stop if you think that the bus is never going to come. stop if you think that the bus is never going to come. We stop if you think that the bus is never going to come. We are never going to come. We are committed never going to come. We are committed as never going to come. We are committed as a never going to come. We are committed as a Government never going to come. We are committed as a Government to committed as a Government to building committed as a Government to building a committed as a Government to building a sustainable committed as a Government to building a sustainable 21st committed as a Government to building a sustainable 21st century building a sustainable 21st century transport building a sustainable 21st century transport system, building a sustainable 21st century transport system, but building a sustainable 21st century transport system, but we building a sustainable 21st century transport system, but we will building a sustainable 21st century transport system, but we will not building a sustainable 21st century transport system, but we will not do transport system, but we will not do that transport system, but we will not do that on transport system, but we will not do that on the transport system, but we will not do that on the backs transport system, but we will not do that on the backs of transport system, but we will not do that on the backs of low-paid transport system, but we will not do that on the backs of low-paid bus that on the backs of low-paid bus drivers. What What does What does he What does he say What does he say to What does he say to the What does he say to the typical What does he say to the typical Henderson, What does he say to the typical Henderson, Papakura What does he say to the typical Henderson, Papakura or What does he say to the typical Henderson, Papakura or Hamilton Henderson, Papakura or Hamilton commuter Henderson, Papakura or Hamilton that Henderson, Papakura or Hamilton commuter to find Henderson, Papakura or Hamilton commuter to find the Henderson, Papakura or Hamilton commuter to find the buzzes Henderson, Papakura or Hamilton commuter to find the buzzes not commuter to find the buzzes not running commuter to find the buzzes not running -- commuter to find the buzzes not running -- buses commuter to find the buzzes not running -- buses not commuter to find the buzzes not running -- buses not running, commuter to find the buzzes not running -- buses not running, the running -- buses not running, the gas running -- buses not running, the gas more running -- buses not running, the gas more expensive running -- buses not running, the gas more expensive and running -- buses not running, the gas more expensive and conditions gas more expensive and conditions not gas more expensive and conditions not improved? gas more expensive and conditions not improved? What gas more expensive and conditions not improved? What I gas more expensive and conditions not improved? What I say gas more expensive and conditions not improved? What I say to gas more expensive and conditions not improved? What I say to those not improved? What I say to those people not improved? What I say to those people is not improved? What I say to those people is that not improved? What I say to those people is that this not improved? What I say to those people is that this Government not improved? What I say to those people is that this Government has people is that this Government has been people is that this Government has been left people is that this Government has been left to people is that this Government has been left to clean people is that this Government has been left to clean up people is that this Government has been left to clean up the people is that this Government has been left to clean up the mess people is that this Government has been left to clean up the mess by been left to clean up the mess by the been left to clean up the mess by the last been left to clean up the mess by the last Government been left to clean up the mess by the last Government in been left to clean up the mess by the last Government in public the last Government in public transport, the last Government in public transport, health, the last Government in public transport, health, in the last Government in public transport, health, in education the last Government in public transport, health, in education and transport, health, in education and housing, transport, health, in education and housing, and transport, health, in education and housing, and we're transport, health, in education and housing, and we're doing transport, health, in education and housing, and we're doing it. transport, health, in education and housing, and we're doing it. We've housing, and we're doing it. We've doubled housing, and we're doing it. We've doubled the housing, and we're doing it. We've doubled the funding housing, and we're doing it. We've doubled the funding for housing, and we're doing it. We've doubled the funding for public doubled the funding for public transport doubled the funding for public transport and doubled the funding for public transport and we're doubled the funding for public transport and we're looking doubled the funding for public transport and we're looking at transport and we're looking at fixing transport and we're looking at fixing the transport and we're looking at fixing the problems transport and we're looking at fixing the problems we've transport and we're looking at fixing the problems we've inherited fixing the problems we've inherited from fixing the problems we've inherited from that fixing the problems we've inherited from that Government's fixing the problems we've inherited from that Government's competitive from that Government's competitive tendering from that Government's competitive tendering framework from that Government's competitive tendering framework that from that Government's competitive tendering framework that has from that Government's competitive tendering framework that has driven tendering framework that has driven down tendering framework that has driven down the tendering framework that has driven down the costs, tendering framework that has driven down the costs, the tendering framework that has driven down the costs, the labour tendering framework that has driven down the costs, the labour costs, tendering framework that has driven down the costs, the labour costs, of down the costs, the labour costs, of drivers down the costs, the labour costs, of drivers and down the costs, the labour costs, of drivers and the down the costs, the labour costs, of drivers and the people down the costs, the labour costs, of drivers and the people who down the costs, the labour costs, of drivers and the people who get down the costs, the labour costs, of drivers and the people who get up drivers and the people who get up every drivers and the people who get up every day drivers and the people who get up every day to drivers and the people who get up every day to make drivers and the people who get up every day to make the drivers and the people who get up every day to make the public every day to make the public transport every day to make the public transport system every day to make the public transport system work? every day to make the public transport system work? -- every day to make the public transport system work? -- work. every day to make the public transport system work? -- work. Does transport system work? -- work. Does he transport system work? -- work. Does he not transport system work? -- work. Does he not accept transport system work? -- work. Does he not accept that transport system work? -- work. Does he not accept that the transport system work? -- work. Does he not accept that the Government he not accept that the Government sent he not accept that the Government sent a he not accept that the Government sent a signal he not accept that the Government sent a signal to he not accept that the Government sent a signal to the he not accept that the Government sent a signal to the unions he not accept that the Government sent a signal to the unions that he not accept that the Government sent a signal to the unions that it sent a signal to the unions that it wants sent a signal to the unions that it wants them sent a signal to the unions that it wants them to sent a signal to the unions that it wants them to be sent a signal to the unions that it wants them to be stronger sent a signal to the unions that it wants them to be stronger and wants them to be stronger and strikes wants them to be stronger and strikes are wants them to be stronger and strikes are an wants them to be stronger and strikes are an inevitable wants them to be stronger and strikes are an inevitable result wants them to be stronger and strikes are an inevitable result of strikes are an inevitable result of that strikes are an inevitable result of that signal? strikes are an inevitable result of that signal? On strikes are an inevitable result of that signal? On this strikes are an inevitable result of that signal? On this side strikes are an inevitable result of that signal? On this side of strikes are an inevitable result of that signal? On this side of the that signal? On this side of the House, that signal? On this side of the House, we that signal? On this side of the House, we do that signal? On this side of the House, we do believe that signal? On this side of the House, we do believe in that signal? On this side of the House, we do believe in raising House, we do believe in raising incomes. House, we do believe in raising incomes. Yes, House, we do believe in raising incomes. Yes, we House, we do believe in raising incomes. Yes, we believe House, we do believe in raising incomes. Yes, we believe in incomes. Yes, we believe in improving incomes. Yes, we believe in improving productivity. incomes. Yes, we believe in improving productivity. It incomes. Yes, we believe in improving productivity. It is incomes. Yes, we believe in improving productivity. It is not improving productivity. It is not our improving productivity. It is not our policy improving productivity. It is not our policy to improving productivity. It is not our policy to build improving productivity. It is not our policy to build a improving productivity. It is not our policy to build a modern improving productivity. It is not our policy to build a modern public our policy to build a modern public transport our policy to build a modern public transport system our policy to build a modern public transport system by our policy to build a modern public transport system by driving our policy to build a modern public transport system by driving down our policy to build a modern public transport system by driving down the transport system by driving down the wages transport system by driving down the wages an transport system by driving down the wages an conditions transport system by driving down the wages an conditions of transport system by driving down the wages an conditions of the transport system by driving down the wages an conditions of the people transport system by driving down the wages an conditions of the people -- wages an conditions of the people -- and wages an conditions of the people -- and conditions wages an conditions of the people -- and conditions of wages an conditions of the people -- and conditions of the wages an conditions of the people -- and conditions of the people wages an conditions of the people -- and conditions of the people who wages an conditions of the people -- and conditions of the people who get and conditions of the people who get up and conditions of the people who get up every and conditions of the people who get up every day and conditions of the people who get up every day an and conditions of the people who get up every day an make and conditions of the people who get up every day an make that and conditions of the people who get up every day an make that system up every day an make that system work. up every day an make that system work. Question up every day an make that system work. Question no. up every day an make that system work. Question no. 7. up every day an make that system work. Question no. 7. Maria up every day an make that system work. Question no. 7. Maria Lubeck. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: Health: What Health: What recent Health: What recent announcements What recent announcements has What recent announcements has he What recent announcements has he made What recent announcements has he made to What recent announcements has he made to add What recent announcements has he made to add capacity What recent announcements has he made to add capacity to has he made to add capacity to district has he made to add capacity to district health has he made to add capacity to district health boards has he made to add capacity to district health boards in has he made to add capacity to district health boards in Auckland? On On Friday On Friday I On Friday I accompanied On Friday I accompanied the On Friday I accompanied the PM On Friday I accompanied the PM to On Friday I accompanied the PM to North On Friday I accompanied the PM to North Shore On Friday I accompanied the PM to North Shore Hospital On Friday I accompanied the PM to North Shore Hospital to On Friday I accompanied the PM to North Shore Hospital to announce North Shore Hospital to announce North Shore Hospital to announce North Shore Hospital to announce funding for North Shore Hospital to announce funding for a North Shore Hospital to announce funding for a new North Shore Hospital to announce funding for a new elective North Shore Hospital to announce funding for a new elective surgery funding for a new elective surgery block. funding for a new elective surgery block. Planning funding for a new elective surgery block. Planning work funding for a new elective surgery block. Planning work is funding for a new elective surgery block. Planning work is well block. Planning work is well advanced block. Planning work is well advanced for block. Planning work is well advanced for the block. Planning work is well advanced for the new block. Planning work is well advanced for the new Waitemata advanced for the new Waitemata facility advanced for the new Waitemata facility that advanced for the new Waitemata facility that will advanced for the new Waitemata facility that will include advanced for the new Waitemata facility that will include 120 advanced for the new Waitemata facility that will include 120 new facility that will include 120 new beds. facility that will include 120 new beds. The facility that will include 120 new beds. The project facility that will include 120 new beds. The project is facility that will include 120 new beds. The project is expected facility that will include 120 new beds. The project is expected to beds. The project is expected to cost beds. The project is expected to cost more beds. The project is expected to cost more than beds. The project is expected to cost more than $200 beds. The project is expected to cost more than $200 million. cost more than $200 million. Auckland cost more than $200 million. Auckland is cost more than $200 million. Auckland is facing cost more than $200 million. Auckland is facing significant Auckland is facing significant population Auckland is facing significant population growth Auckland is facing significant population growth and Auckland is facing significant population growth and this Auckland is facing significant population growth and this major Auckland is facing significant population growth and this major new population growth and this major new development population growth and this major new development will population growth and this major new development will help population growth and this major new development will help service population growth and this major new development will help service not development will help service not only development will help service not only the development will help service not only the people development will help service not only the people of development will help service not only the people of Waitemata development will help service not only the people of Waitemata and development will help service not only the people of Waitemata and the only the people of Waitemata and the North only the people of Waitemata and the North Shore only the people of Waitemata and the North Shore but only the people of Waitemata and the North Shore but the only the people of Waitemata and the North Shore but the wider only the people of Waitemata and the North Shore but the wider Auckland North Shore but the wider Auckland region. North Shore but the wider Auckland region. What North Shore but the wider Auckland region. What further North Shore but the wider Auckland region. What further capital region. What further capital investment region. What further capital investment has region. What further capital investment has he region. What further capital investment has he announced region. What further capital investment has he announced in region. What further capital investment has he announced in the investment has he announced in the Northern investment has he announced in the Northern Region? investment has he announced in the Northern Region? At investment has he announced in the Northern Region? At the investment has he announced in the Northern Region? At the same investment has he announced in the Northern Region? At the same event Northern Region? At the same event on Northern Region? At the same event on Friday Northern Region? At the same event on Friday I Northern Region? At the same event on Friday I announced Northern Region? At the same event on Friday I announced $24 Northern Region? At the same event on Friday I announced $24 million on Friday I announced $24 million for on Friday I announced $24 million for the on Friday I announced $24 million for the new on Friday I announced $24 million for the new ens on Friday I announced $24 million for the new ens doscopy on Friday I announced $24 million for the new ens doscopy and on Friday I announced $24 million for the new ens doscopy and cardiac for the new ens doscopy and cardiac care for the new ens doscopy and cardiac care capacity for the new ens doscopy and cardiac care capacity that for the new ens doscopy and cardiac care capacity that will for the new ens doscopy and cardiac care capacity that will be for the new ens doscopy and cardiac care capacity that will be built for the new ens doscopy and cardiac care capacity that will be built at care capacity that will be built at Northland's care capacity that will be built at Northland's Whangarei care capacity that will be built at Northland's Whangarei hospital. care capacity that will be built at Northland's Whangarei hospital. The Northland's Whangarei hospital. The prevalence Northland's Whangarei hospital. The prevalence of Northland's Whangarei hospital. The prevalence of cardio Northland's Whangarei hospital. The prevalence of cardio vascular prevalence of cardio vascular discrease prevalence of cardio vascular discrease in prevalence of cardio vascular discrease in Northland prevalence of cardio vascular discrease in Northland contributes discrease in Northland contributes to discrease in Northland contributes to the discrease in Northland contributes to the greater discrease in Northland contributes to the greater life discrease in Northland contributes to the greater life expectancy discrease in Northland contributes to the greater life expectancy gap to the greater life expectancy gap to the greater life expectancy gap to the greater life expectancy gap in Northland to the greater life expectancy gap in Northland and to the greater life expectancy gap in Northland and the to the greater life expectancy gap in Northland and the rest to the greater life expectancy gap in Northland and the rest of to the greater life expectancy gap in Northland and the rest of the in Northland and the rest of the legion in Northland and the rest of the legion and in Northland and the rest of the legion and between in Northland and the rest of the legion and between Maori in Northland and the rest of the legion and between Maori and legion and between Maori and non-Maori legion and between Maori and non-Maori the legion and between Maori and non-Maori the new legion and between Maori and non-Maori the new cardiac legion and between Maori and non-Maori the new cardiac catheter non-Maori the new cardiac catheter lab non-Maori the new cardiac catheter lab be non-Maori the new cardiac catheter lab be mean non-Maori the new cardiac catheter lab be mean fewer non-Maori the new cardiac catheter lab be mean fewer affordable non-Maori the new cardiac catheter lab be mean fewer affordable deaths lab be mean fewer affordable deaths through lab be mean fewer affordable deaths through improved lab be mean fewer affordable deaths through improved cardiac lab be mean fewer affordable deaths through improved cardiac care lab be mean fewer affordable deaths through improved cardiac care for through improved cardiac care for Northlanders through improved cardiac care for Northlanders and through improved cardiac care for Northlanders and represents through improved cardiac care for Northlanders and represents a Northlanders and represents a significant Northlanders and represents a significant opportunity Northlanders and represents a significant opportunity to Northlanders and represents a significant opportunity to improve significant opportunity to improve equity significant opportunity to improve equity of significant opportunity to improve equity of outcomes. equity of outcomes. <SPEAKS TOKELAUAN> <SPEAKS TOKELAUAN> . <SPEAKS TOKELAUAN> . How <SPEAKS TOKELAUAN> . How do <SPEAKS TOKELAUAN> . How do these <SPEAKS TOKELAUAN> . How do these announcements <SPEAKS TOKELAUAN> . How do these announcements align . How do these announcements align with . How do these announcements align with the . How do these announcements align with the just . How do these announcements align with the just released . How do these announcements align with the just released northern with the just released northern investment with the just released northern investment plan? with the just released northern investment plan? The with the just released northern investment plan? The northern with the just released northern investment plan? The northern region investment plan? The northern region long-term investment plan? The northern region long-term investment investment plan? The northern region long-term investment plan investment plan? The northern region long-term investment plan highlights long-term investment plan highlights the long-term investment plan highlights the poor long-term investment plan highlights the poor state long-term investment plan highlights the poor state of long-term investment plan highlights the poor state of many long-term investment plan highlights the poor state of many of long-term investment plan highlights the poor state of many of our long-term investment plan highlights the poor state of many of our DHB the poor state of many of our DHB facilities. the poor state of many of our DHB facilities. It the poor state of many of our DHB facilities. It provides the poor state of many of our DHB facilities. It provides a the poor state of many of our DHB facilities. It provides a good facilities. It provides a good picture facilities. It provides a good picture of facilities. It provides a good picture of long-term facilities. It provides a good picture of long-term demand facilities. It provides a good picture of long-term demand and picture of long-term demand and picture of long-term demand and picture of long-term demand and demographic pressures. picture of long-term demand and demographic pressures. Friday's demographic pressures. Friday's announcements demographic pressures. Friday's announcements will demographic pressures. Friday's announcements will add demographic pressures. Friday's announcements will add significant announcements will add significant new announcements will add significant new capacity announcements will add significant new capacity in announcements will add significant new capacity in Auckland announcements will add significant new capacity in Auckland but announcements will add significant new capacity in Auckland but as announcements will add significant new capacity in Auckland but as the new capacity in Auckland but as the L-tip new capacity in Auckland but as the L-tip confirm, new capacity in Auckland but as the L-tip confirm, more new capacity in Auckland but as the L-tip confirm, more will new capacity in Auckland but as the L-tip confirm, more will be new capacity in Auckland but as the L-tip confirm, more will be needed. L-tip confirm, more will be needed. While L-tip confirm, more will be needed. While future L-tip confirm, more will be needed. While future capital L-tip confirm, more will be needed. While future capital announces L-tip confirm, more will be needed. While future capital announces may While future capital announces may not While future capital announces may not always While future capital announces may not always align While future capital announces may not always align exactly While future capital announces may not always align exactly with While future capital announces may not always align exactly with the not always align exactly with the northern not always align exactly with the northern region not always align exactly with the northern region long-term not always align exactly with the northern region long-term plan, not always align exactly with the northern region long-term plan, it northern region long-term plan, it will northern region long-term plan, it will play northern region long-term plan, it will play a northern region long-term plan, it will play a useful northern region long-term plan, it will play a useful role northern region long-term plan, it will play a useful role as northern region long-term plan, it will play a useful role as we northern region long-term plan, it will play a useful role as we plan will play a useful role as we plan to will play a useful role as we plan to meet will play a useful role as we plan to meet future will play a useful role as we plan to meet future health will play a useful role as we plan to meet future health needs. to meet future health needs. 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It is geting pretty serious that the member is a repeat serious that the member is a repeat offender serious that the member is a repeat offender within serious that the member is a repeat offender within about serious that the member is a repeat offender within about a serious that the member is a repeat offender within about a minute serious that the member is a repeat offender within about a minute of offender within about a minute of her offender within about a minute of her previous offender within about a minute of her previous offence. offender within about a minute of her previous offence. She's offender within about a minute of her previous offence. She's sort offender within about a minute of her previous offence. She's sort of her previous offence. She's sort of tempting her previous offence. She's sort of tempting me her previous offence. She's sort of tempting me pretty her previous offence. She's sort of tempting me pretty severely her previous offence. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Social Development: Is Social Development: Is she Social Development: Is she concerned Social Development: Is she concerned that Social Development: Is she concerned that the Social Development: Is she concerned that the over Is she concerned that the over 340,000 Is she concerned that the over 340,000 hardship Is she concerned that the over 340,000 hardship grants Is she concerned that the over 340,000 hardship grants provided Is she concerned that the over 340,000 hardship grants provided by 340,000 hardship grants provided by MSD 340,000 hardship grants provided by MSD in 340,000 hardship grants provided by MSD in the 340,000 hardship grants provided by MSD in the September 340,000 hardship grants provided by MSD in the September 2018 340,000 hardship grants provided by MSD in the September 2018 quarter MSD in the September 2018 quarter indicate MSD in the September 2018 quarter indicate baseline MSD in the September 2018 quarter indicate baseline benefits MSD in the September 2018 quarter indicate baseline benefits are indicate baseline benefits are insufficient indicate baseline benefits are insufficient to indicate baseline benefits are insufficient to meet indicate baseline benefits are insufficient to meet housing indicate baseline benefits are insufficient to meet housing and insufficient to meet housing and food insufficient to meet housing and food costs? The The Hon The Hon Carmel The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Mr The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Mr Speaker, The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Mr Speaker, yes, The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Mr Speaker, yes, I'm The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Mr Speaker, yes, I'm concerned The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Mr Speaker, yes, I'm concerned and The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Mr Speaker, yes, I'm concerned and I The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Mr Speaker, yes, I'm concerned and I am The Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Mr Speaker, yes, I'm concerned and I am also yes, I'm concerned and I am also relieved yes, I'm concerned and I am also relieved that yes, I'm concerned and I am also relieved that we yes, I'm concerned and I am also relieved that we have yes, I'm concerned and I am also relieved that we have a yes, I'm concerned and I am also relieved that we have a more relieved that we have a more responsible relieved that we have a more responsible MSD relieved that we have a more responsible MSD culture. relieved that we have a more responsible MSD culture. That relieved that we have a more responsible MSD culture. That means responsible MSD culture. That means those responsible MSD culture. That means those requiring responsible MSD culture. That means those requiring help responsible MSD culture. That means those requiring help are responsible MSD culture. That means those requiring help are getting responsible MSD culture. That means those requiring help are getting it. those requiring help are getting it. Mr those requiring help are getting it. Mr Speaker, those requiring help are getting it. Mr Speaker, I those requiring help are getting it. Mr Speaker, I think those requiring help are getting it. Mr Speaker, I think it those requiring help are getting it. Mr Speaker, I think it is those requiring help are getting it. Mr Speaker, I think it is very Mr Speaker, I think it is very important Mr Speaker, I think it is very important to Mr Speaker, I think it is very important to note Mr Speaker, I think it is very important to note that Mr Speaker, I think it is very important to note that the Mr Speaker, I think it is very important to note that the evidence important to note that the evidence available important to note that the evidence available to important to note that the evidence available to us important to note that the evidence available to us clearly important to note that the evidence available to us clearly identifies available to us clearly identifies the available to us clearly identifies the cost available to us clearly identifies the cost of available to us clearly identifies the cost of housing available to us clearly identifies the cost of housing as available to us clearly identifies the cost of housing as the available to us clearly identifies the cost of housing as the key the cost of housing as the key reason the cost of housing as the key reason why the cost of housing as the key reason why so the cost of housing as the key reason why so many the cost of housing as the key reason why so many New the cost of housing as the key reason why so many New Zealanders reason why so many New Zealanders require reason why so many New Zealanders require access reason why so many New Zealanders require access to reason why so many New Zealanders require access to hardship reason why so many New Zealanders require access to hardship grants require access to hardship grants and, require access to hardship grants and, Mr require access to hardship grants and, Mr Speaker, require access to hardship grants and, Mr Speaker, thankfully, require access to hardship grants and, Mr Speaker, thankfully, unlike and, Mr Speaker, thankfully, unlike the and, Mr Speaker, thankfully, unlike the previous and, Mr Speaker, thankfully, unlike the previous Government, and, Mr Speaker, thankfully, unlike the previous Government, this the previous Government, this Government the previous Government, this Government is the previous Government, this Government is making the previous Government, this Government is making housing the previous Government, this Government is making housing a Government is making housing a priority. Government is making housing a priority. Does Government is making housing a priority. Does she Government is making housing a priority. Does she think Government is making housing a priority. Does she think that Government is making housing a priority. Does she think that the priority. Does she think that the significant priority. Does she think that the significant increase priority. Does she think that the significant increase in priority. Does she think that the significant increase in hardship significant increase in hardship grants, significant increase in hardship grants, almost significant increase in hardship grants, almost doubling significant increase in hardship grants, almost doubling over significant increase in hardship grants, almost doubling over the grants, almost doubling over the past grants, almost doubling over the past five grants, almost doubling over the past five years, grants, almost doubling over the past five years, demonstrates past five years, demonstrates beneficiaries past five years, demonstrates beneficiaries are past five years, demonstrates beneficiaries are falling past five years, demonstrates beneficiaries are falling further beneficiaries are falling further and beneficiaries are falling further and further beneficiaries are falling further and further behind? beneficiaries are falling further and further behind? Order! beneficiaries are falling further and further behind? Order! 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Submissions received from lift the threshold from $400 to proposal lift the threshold from $400 to offshore lift the threshold from $400 to offshore suppliers indicated that offshore suppliers indicated that the offshore suppliers indicated that the higher offshore suppliers indicated that the higher threshold offshore suppliers indicated that the higher threshold would offshore suppliers indicated that the higher threshold would make offshore suppliers indicated that the higher threshold would make it the higher threshold would make it easier the higher threshold would make it easier for the higher threshold would make it easier for them the higher threshold would make it easier for them to the higher threshold would make it easier for them to comply the higher threshold would make it easier for them to comply as the higher threshold would make it easier for them to comply as this easier for them to comply as this aligns easier for them to comply as this aligns with easier for them to comply as this aligns with the easier for them to comply as this aligns with the Australian easier for them to comply as this aligns with the Australian model easier for them to comply as this aligns with the Australian model and aligns with the Australian model and avoids aligns with the Australian model and avoids double aligns with the Australian model and avoids double taxation. aligns with the Australian model and avoids double taxation. This avoids double taxation. This Government avoids double taxation. This Government made avoids double taxation. This Government made a avoids double taxation. This Government made a bold avoids double taxation. This Government made a bold move avoids double taxation. This Government made a bold move to Government made a bold move to ensure Government made a bold move to ensure the Government made a bold move to ensure the playing Government made a bold move to ensure the playing field Government made a bold move to ensure the playing field is Government made a bold move to ensure the playing field is level ensure the playing field is level for ensure the playing field is level for our ensure the playing field is level for our 26,000 ensure the playing field is level for our 26,000 New ensure the playing field is level for our 26,000 New Zealand ensure the playing field is level for our 26,000 New Zealand retailers for our 26,000 New Zealand retailers who for our 26,000 New Zealand retailers who employ for our 26,000 New Zealand retailers who employ more for our 26,000 New Zealand retailers who employ more than for our 26,000 New Zealand retailers who employ more than 62,000 for our 26,000 New Zealand retailers who employ more than 62,000 Kiwis. who employ more than 62,000 Kiwis. The who employ more than 62,000 Kiwis. The previous who employ more than 62,000 Kiwis. The previous Government who employ more than 62,000 Kiwis. The previous Government had who employ more than 62,000 Kiwis. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Energy My question is to the Minister of Energy and My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Energy and Resources: Does Energy and Resources: Does she Energy and Resources: Does she stand Energy and Resources: Does she stand by Energy and Resources: Does she stand by all Energy and Resources: Does she stand by all her Does she stand by all her Government's Does she stand by all her Government's policies, Does she stand by all her Government's policies, statements, Government's policies, statements, and Government's policies, statements, and actions Government's policies, statements, and actions in Government's policies, statements, and actions in relation Government's policies, statements, and actions in relation to Government's policies, statements, and actions in relation to the and actions in relation to the energy and actions in relation to the energy and and actions in relation to the energy and resources and actions in relation to the energy and resources portfolio? Yes, Yes, in Yes, in the Yes, in the context Yes, in the context in Yes, in the context in which Yes, in the context in which they Yes, in the context in which they were Yes, in the context in which they were made. Yes, in the context in which they were made. What Yes, in the context in which they were made. What policies Yes, in the context in which they were made. What policies or Yes, in the context in which they were made. What policies or actions were made. What policies or actions is were made. What policies or actions is the were made. What policies or actions is the Government were made. What policies or actions is the Government considering were made. What policies or actions is the Government considering in is the Government considering in is the Government considering in is the Government considering in addressing potential is the Government considering in addressing potential electricity addressing potential electricity supply addressing potential electricity supply shortages addressing potential electricity supply shortages because addressing potential electricity supply shortages because of addressing potential electricity supply shortages because of hydro supply shortages because of hydro lake supply shortages because of hydro lake levels supply shortages because of hydro lake levels being supply shortages because of hydro lake levels being at supply shortages because of hydro lake levels being at an supply shortages because of hydro lake levels being at an 8-year supply shortages because of hydro lake levels being at an 8-year low lake levels being at an 8-year low and lake levels being at an 8-year low and current lake levels being at an 8-year low and current gas lake levels being at an 8-year low and current gas supply lake levels being at an 8-year low and current gas supply disruption? and current gas supply disruption? Well, and current gas supply disruption? Well, this and current gas supply disruption? Well, this Government and current gas supply disruption? Well, this Government doesn't and current gas supply disruption? Well, this Government doesn't accept Well, this Government doesn't accept the Well, this Government doesn't accept the predictions Well, this Government doesn't accept the predictions of Well, this Government doesn't accept the predictions of an Well, this Government doesn't accept the predictions of an insecure the predictions of an insecure the predictions of an insecure the predictions of an insecure energy supply the predictions of an insecure energy supply as the predictions of an insecure energy supply as a the predictions of an insecure energy supply as a result the predictions of an insecure energy supply as a result of the predictions of an insecure energy supply as a result of this energy supply as a result of this policy. energy supply as a result of this policy. Our energy supply as a result of this policy. Our strategic energy supply as a result of this policy. Our strategic direction energy supply as a result of this policy. Our strategic direction is policy. Our strategic direction is to policy. Our strategic direction is to encourage policy. Our strategic direction is to encourage a policy. Our strategic direction is to encourage a shift policy. Our strategic direction is to encourage a shift towards to encourage a shift towards renewable to encourage a shift towards renewable energy to encourage a shift towards renewable energy so to encourage a shift towards renewable energy so we to encourage a shift towards renewable energy so we can renewable energy so we can renewable energy so we can renewable energy so we can successfully transition renewable energy so we can successfully transition to renewable energy so we can successfully transition to a successfully transition to a low-carbon successfully transition to a low-carbon future. successfully transition to a low-carbon future. There successfully transition to a low-carbon future. There is low-carbon future. There is currently low-carbon future. There is currently approximately low-carbon future. There is currently approximately 3,300 currently approximately 3,300 megawatts currently approximately 3,300 megawatts of currently approximately 3,300 megawatts of renewable currently approximately 3,300 megawatts of renewable energy megawatts of renewable energy generation megawatts of renewable energy generation consented megawatts of renewable energy generation consented to megawatts of renewable energy generation consented to be megawatts of renewable energy generation consented to be built. generation consented to be built. Transpower's generation consented to be built. Transpower's report generation consented to be built. Transpower's report shows generation consented to be built. Transpower's report shows that generation consented to be built. Transpower's report shows that as Transpower's report shows that as our Transpower's report shows that as our electricity Transpower's report shows that as our electricity demand Transpower's report shows that as our electricity demand grows Transpower's report shows that as our electricity demand grows heavily our electricity demand grows heavily in our electricity demand grows heavily in the our electricity demand grows heavily in the years our electricity demand grows heavily in the years to our electricity demand grows heavily in the years to come our electricity demand grows heavily in the years to come those our electricity demand grows heavily in the years to come those consents in the years to come those consents will in the years to come those consents will be in the years to come those consents will be able in the years to come those consents will be able to in the years to come those consents will be able to come in the years to come those consents will be able to come on in the years to come those consents will be able to come on stream in the years to come those consents will be able to come on stream to will be able to come on stream to add will be able to come on stream to add capacity. will be able to come on stream to add capacity. There will be able to come on stream to add capacity. There are will be able to come on stream to add capacity. There are a will be able to come on stream to add capacity. There are a number will be able to come on stream to add capacity. There are a number of add capacity. There are a number of other add capacity. There are a number of other major add capacity. There are a number of other major investments add capacity. There are a number of other major investments currently add capacity. There are a number of other major investments currently on other major investments currently on the other major investments currently on the way, other major investments currently on the way, particularly other major investments currently on the way, particularly in other major investments currently on the way, particularly in the other major investments currently on the way, particularly in the area other major investments currently on the way, particularly in the area of the way, particularly in the area of renewable the way, particularly in the area of renewable energy. the way, particularly in the area of renewable energy. Will the way, particularly in the area of renewable energy. Will therefore the way, particularly in the area of renewable energy. Will therefore the renewable energy. Will therefore the Government renewable energy. Will therefore the Government guarantee renewable energy. Will therefore the Government guarantee there renewable energy. Will therefore the Government guarantee there is renewable energy. Will therefore the Government guarantee there is no Government guarantee there is no risk Government guarantee there is no risk of Government guarantee there is no risk of power Government guarantee there is no risk of power blackouts Government guarantee there is no risk of power blackouts because Government guarantee there is no risk of power blackouts because of risk of power blackouts because of current risk of power blackouts because of current low risk of power blackouts because of current low hydro risk of power blackouts because of current low hydro levels risk of power blackouts because of current low hydro levels and risk of power blackouts because of current low hydro levels and gas current low hydro levels and gas supply current low hydro levels and gas supply disruption? current low hydro levels and gas supply disruption? We current low hydro levels and gas supply disruption? We won't supply disruption? We won't guarantee supply disruption? We won't guarantee anything supply disruption? We won't guarantee anything but supply disruption? We won't guarantee anything but we supply disruption? We won't guarantee anything but we will supply disruption? We won't guarantee anything but we will do guarantee anything but we will do our guarantee anything but we will do our best guarantee anything but we will do our best to guarantee anything but we will do our best to provide guarantee anything but we will do our best to provide the guarantee anything but we will do our best to provide the political our best to provide the political courage our best to provide the political courage and our best to provide the political courage and the our best to provide the political courage and the leadership, our best to provide the political courage and the leadership, the courage and the leadership, the willingness courage and the leadership, the willingness to courage and the leadership, the willingness to look courage and the leadership, the willingness to look beyond courage and the leadership, the willingness to look beyond the willingness to look beyond the 3-year willingness to look beyond the 3-year electoral willingness to look beyond the 3-year electoral cycle, willingness to look beyond the 3-year electoral cycle, to willingness to look beyond the 3-year electoral cycle, to ensure 3-year electoral cycle, to ensure that 3-year electoral cycle, to ensure that this 3-year electoral cycle, to ensure that this country 3-year electoral cycle, to ensure that this country makes 3-year electoral cycle, to ensure that this country makes a 3-year electoral cycle, to ensure that this country makes a just 3-year electoral cycle, to ensure that this country makes a just and that this country makes a just and speedy that this country makes a just and speedy transition that this country makes a just and speedy transition to that this country makes a just and speedy transition to a that this country makes a just and speedy transition to a post-carbon speedy transition to a post-carbon economy. speedy transition to a post-carbon economy. What speedy transition to a post-carbon economy. What is speedy transition to a post-carbon economy. What is the speedy transition to a post-carbon economy. What is the Government economy. What is the Government doing economy. What is the Government doing to economy. What is the Government doing to ensure economy. What is the Government doing to ensure adequate economy. What is the Government doing to ensure adequate gas doing to ensure adequate gas supplies doing to ensure adequate gas supplies to doing to ensure adequate gas supplies to businesses doing to ensure adequate gas supplies to businesses like doing to ensure adequate gas supplies to businesses like Fonterra supplies to businesses like Fonterra who supplies to businesses like Fonterra who are supplies to businesses like Fonterra who are coming supplies to businesses like Fonterra who are coming into supplies to businesses like Fonterra who are coming into their supplies to businesses like Fonterra who are coming into their peak who are coming into their peak production who are coming into their peak production in who are coming into their peak production in the who are coming into their peak production in the next who are coming into their peak production in the next few who are coming into their peak production in the next few weeks production in the next few weeks considering production in the next few weeks considering the production in the next few weeks considering the current production in the next few weeks considering the current gas production in the next few weeks considering the current gas supply considering the current gas supply disruption? considering the current gas supply disruption? 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I will ask the member <INTERRUPTION> Order! I will ask the member to <INTERRUPTION> Order! I will ask the member to ask Order! I will ask the member to ask <INTERRUPTION> Order! I will ask the member to ask his question again. Order! I will ask the member to ask his question again. What Order! I will ask the member to ask his question again. What is Order! I will ask the member to ask his question again. What is the his question again. What is the Government his question again. What is the Government doing his question again. What is the Government doing to his question again. What is the Government doing to ensure his question again. What is the Government doing to ensure adequate Government doing to ensure adequate gas Government doing to ensure adequate gas supplies Government doing to ensure adequate gas supplies to Government doing to ensure adequate gas supplies to businesses Government doing to ensure adequate gas supplies to businesses like gas supplies to businesses like Fonterra gas supplies to businesses like Fonterra who gas supplies to businesses like Fonterra who are gas supplies to businesses like Fonterra who are coming gas supplies to businesses like Fonterra who are coming into gas supplies to businesses like Fonterra who are coming into their Fonterra who are coming into their peak Fonterra who are coming into their peak production Fonterra who are coming into their peak production in Fonterra who are coming into their peak production in the Fonterra who are coming into their peak production in the next Fonterra who are coming into their peak production in the next few peak production in the next few weeks peak production in the next few weeks considering peak production in the next few weeks considering the peak production in the next few weeks considering the current peak production in the next few weeks considering the current gas weeks considering the current gas supply weeks considering the current gas supply disruption? weeks considering the current gas supply disruption? Well, weeks considering the current gas supply disruption? Well, Mr weeks considering the current gas supply disruption? Well, Mr Speaker, supply disruption? Well, Mr Speaker, there supply disruption? Well, Mr Speaker, there are supply disruption? Well, Mr Speaker, there are a supply disruption? Well, Mr Speaker, there are a number supply disruption? Well, Mr Speaker, there are a number of supply disruption? Well, Mr Speaker, there are a number of very there are a number of very short-term there are a number of very short-term impediments there are a number of very short-term impediments to there are a number of very short-term impediments to supply there are a number of very short-term impediments to supply in short-term impediments to supply in the short-term impediments to supply in the current short-term impediments to supply in the current climate. short-term impediments to supply in the current climate. That short-term impediments to supply in the current climate. That is short-term impediments to supply in the current climate. That is a the current climate. That is a completely the current climate. That is a completely separate the current climate. That is a completely separate issue the current climate. That is a completely separate issue to the current climate. That is a completely separate issue to the completely separate issue to the need completely separate issue to the need for completely separate issue to the need for this completely separate issue to the need for this country completely separate issue to the need for this country to completely separate issue to the need for this country to transition need for this country to transition to need for this country to transition to renewable need for this country to transition to renewable energy need for this country to transition to renewable energy sources need for this country to transition to renewable energy sources and need for this country to transition to renewable energy sources and we to renewable energy sources and we have to renewable energy sources and we have the to renewable energy sources and we have the policies to renewable energy sources and we have the policies in to renewable energy sources and we have the policies in place to renewable energy sources and we have the policies in place to to renewable energy sources and we have the policies in place to do have the policies in place to do that. have the policies in place to do that. 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I haven't been briefed on that haven't been briefed on that haven't been briefed on that haven't been briefed on that particular issue haven't been briefed on that particular issue so haven't been briefed on that particular issue so I haven't been briefed on that particular issue so I can't haven't been briefed on that particular issue so I can't give haven't been briefed on that particular issue so I can't give the particular issue so I can't give the minister particular issue so I can't give the minister a particular issue so I can't give the minister a detailed particular issue so I can't give the minister a detailed answer particular issue so I can't give the minister a detailed answer on particular issue so I can't give the minister a detailed answer on that. minister a detailed answer on that. Is minister a detailed answer on that. Is it minister a detailed answer on that. Is it the minister a detailed answer on that. Is it the Government's minister a detailed answer on that. Is it the Government's intention minister a detailed answer on that. Is it the Government's intention to Is it the Government's intention to support Is it the Government's intention to support use Is it the Government's intention to support use of Is it the Government's intention to support use of coal-fired Is it the Government's intention to support use of coal-fired generation support use of coal-fired generation to support use of coal-fired generation to stop support use of coal-fired generation to stop power support use of coal-fired generation to stop power blackouts support use of coal-fired generation to stop power blackouts if support use of coal-fired generation to stop power blackouts if gas support use of coal-fired generation to stop power blackouts if gas is support use of coal-fired generation to stop power blackouts if gas is no to stop power blackouts if gas is no longer to stop power blackouts if gas is no longer plentifully to stop power blackouts if gas is no longer plentifully available, to stop power blackouts if gas is no longer plentifully available, as to stop power blackouts if gas is no longer plentifully available, as is longer plentifully available, as is currently longer plentifully available, as is currently the longer plentifully available, as is currently the case? longer plentifully available, as is currently the case? 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