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Mr Speaker. The Mr Speaker. The Hon Mr Speaker. The Hon Chris Mr Speaker. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Today Mr Speaker. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Today the Mr Speaker. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Today the House Mr Speaker. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Today the House adjourns Mr Speaker. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Today the House adjourns until Today the House adjourns until Tuesday Today the House adjourns until Tuesday 27 Today the House adjourns until Tuesday 27 November. Today the House adjourns until Tuesday 27 November. During Today the House adjourns until Tuesday 27 November. During the Tuesday 27 November. During the first Tuesday 27 November. During the first week Tuesday 27 November. During the first week of Tuesday 27 November. During the first week of the Tuesday 27 November. During the first week of the final Tuesday 27 November. During the first week of the final sitting first week of the final sitting block first week of the final sitting block of first week of the final sitting block of the first week of the final sitting block of the year first week of the final sitting block of the year the first week of the final sitting block of the year the legislation first week of the final sitting block of the year the legislation to block of the year the legislation to be block of the year the legislation to be considered block of the year the legislation to be considered by block of the year the legislation to be considered by the block of the year the legislation to be considered by the House block of the year the legislation to be considered by the House will be considered by the House will include be considered by the House will include the be considered by the House will include the committee be considered by the House will include the committee stage be considered by the House will include the committee stage of be considered by the House will include the committee stage of the include the committee stage of the Child include the committee stage of the Child Poverty include the committee stage of the Child Poverty Reduction include the committee stage of the Child Poverty Reduction Bill include the committee stage of the Child Poverty Reduction Bill and include the committee stage of the Child Poverty Reduction Bill and the Child Poverty Reduction Bill and the second Child Poverty Reduction Bill and the second readings Child Poverty Reduction Bill and the second readings of Child Poverty Reduction Bill and the second readings of the Child Poverty Reduction Bill and the second readings of the Employment second readings of the Employment (Pay second readings of the Employment (Pay Equity second readings of the Employment (Pay Equity and second readings of the Employment (Pay Equity and Equal second readings of the Employment (Pay Equity and Equal Pay) second readings of the Employment (Pay Equity and Equal Pay) Bill second readings of the Employment (Pay Equity and Equal Pay) Bill and (Pay Equity and Equal Pay) Bill and the (Pay Equity and Equal Pay) Bill and the Reserve (Pay Equity and Equal Pay) Bill and the Reserve Bank (Pay Equity and Equal Pay) Bill and the Reserve Bank of (Pay Equity and Equal Pay) Bill and the Reserve Bank of New (Pay Equity and Equal Pay) Bill and the Reserve Bank of New Zealand the Reserve Bank of New Zealand monetary the Reserve Bank of New Zealand monetary policy the Reserve Bank of New Zealand monetary policy amendment the Reserve Bank of New Zealand monetary policy amendment bill. monetary policy amendment bill. 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I wonder if the Leader of the House wonder if the Leader of the House will wonder if the Leader of the House will be wonder if the Leader of the House will be able wonder if the Leader of the House will be able to wonder if the Leader of the House will be able to indicate wonder if the Leader of the House will be able to indicate whether wonder if the Leader of the House will be able to indicate whether or will be able to indicate whether or not will be able to indicate whether or not it will be able to indicate whether or not it is will be able to indicate whether or not it is the will be able to indicate whether or not it is the Government's will be able to indicate whether or not it is the Government's intention not it is the Government's intention to not it is the Government's intention to take not it is the Government's intention to take extended not it is the Government's intention to take extended hours not it is the Government's intention to take extended hours sittings not it is the Government's intention to take extended hours sittings as to take extended hours sittings as was to take extended hours sittings as was previously to take extended hours sittings as was previously suggested? to take extended hours sittings as was previously suggested? 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That's currently still the Government's currently still the Government's intention currently still the Government's intention although currently still the Government's intention although I currently still the Government's intention although I note currently still the Government's intention although I note that intention although I note that legislation intention although I note that legislation is intention although I note that legislation is moving intention although I note that legislation is moving very intention although I note that legislation is moving very quickly legislation is moving very quickly legislation is moving very quickly legislation is moving very quickly at the legislation is moving very quickly at the moment legislation is moving very quickly at the moment so legislation is moving very quickly at the moment so we legislation is moving very quickly at the moment so we will legislation is moving very quickly at the moment so we will keep legislation is moving very quickly at the moment so we will keep that at the moment so we will keep that under at the moment so we will keep that under review. under under review. 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Those terminally ill individuals. Those petitions terminally ill individuals. Those petitions stand terminally ill individuals. Those petitions stand referred Those petitions stand referred to Those petitions stand referred to a Those petitions stand referred to a select Those petitions stand referred to a select committee to a select committee allocated to a select committee allocated by to a select committee allocated by the to a select committee allocated by the Clerk. Ministers Ministers have Ministers have delivered Ministers have delivered papers. Ministers have delivered papers. Annual Ministers have delivered papers. Annual Reports Ministers have delivered papers. Annual Reports 2017/18 Ministers have delivered papers. Annual Reports 2017/18 - Annual Reports 2017/18 - Broadcasting Annual Reports 2017/18 - Broadcasting Standards Annual Reports 2017/18 - Broadcasting Standards Authority Broadcasting Standards Authority Sports Broadcasting Standards Authority Sports NZ Broadcasting Standards Authority Sports NZ Group Sports NZ Group Statistics Sports NZ Group Statistics New Sports NZ Group Statistics New Zealand. Statistics New Zealand. Statements Statistics New Zealand. Statements of Statistics New Zealand. Statements of Intents Statistics New Zealand. Statements of Intents - Statements of Intents - SportNZ Statements of Intents - SportNZ Group Statements of Intents - SportNZ Group 1 Statements of Intents - SportNZ Group 1 July Statements of Intents - SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 Statements of Intents - SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 - Statements of Intents - SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 - 30 Statements of Intents - SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 - 30 June SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 - 30 June 2018 2018 New 2018 New Zealand 2018 New Zealand Venture 2018 New Zealand Venture Investment 2018 New Zealand Venture Investment Fund, New Zealand Venture Investment Fund, 2019-2023 2019-2023 Statements 2019-2023 Statements of 2019-2023 Statements of Performance Statements of Performance Expectations Statements of Performance Expectations - Expectations - Broadcasting Expectations - Broadcasting Standards Expectations - Broadcasting Standards Authority Expectations - Broadcasting Standards Authority for Broadcasting Standards Authority for the Broadcasting Standards Authority for the year Broadcasting Standards Authority for the year ended Broadcasting Standards Authority for the year ended 30 Broadcasting Standards Authority for the year ended 30 June Broadcasting Standards Authority for the year ended 30 June 2019 the year ended 30 June 2019 SportNZ the year ended 30 June 2019 SportNZ Group the year ended 30 June 2019 SportNZ Group 1 the year ended 30 June 2019 SportNZ Group 1 July the year ended 30 June 2019 SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 the year ended 30 June 2019 SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 - the year ended 30 June 2019 SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 - 30 the year ended 30 June 2019 SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 - 30 June SportNZ Group 1 July 2018 - 30 June 2018 2018 Those 2018 Those papers 2018 Those papers are 2018 Those papers are published Those papers are published under Those papers are published under the Those papers are published under the authority Those papers are published under the authority of Those papers are published under the authority of the Those papers are published under the authority of the House. 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The The Clerk The Clerk has The Clerk has been The Clerk has been informed The Clerk has been informed of The Clerk has been informed of the The Clerk has been informed of the introduction The Clerk has been informed of the introduction of The Clerk has been informed of the introduction of a The Clerk has been informed of the introduction of a bill. of the introduction of a bill. 8 of the introduction of a bill. 8 November of the introduction of a bill. 8 November 2018: 8 November 2018: New 8 November 2018: New Zealand 8 November 2018: New Zealand Maori 8 November 2018: New Zealand Maori Arts 8 November 2018: New Zealand Maori Arts and 8 November 2018: New Zealand Maori Arts and Crafts New Zealand Maori Arts and Crafts Institute New Zealand Maori Arts and Crafts Institute Vesting New Zealand Maori Arts and Crafts Institute Vesting Bill. - - introduction. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Prime My question is to the Prime Minister: Prime Minister: Does Prime Minister: Does she Prime Minister: Does she stand Prime Minister: Does she stand by Prime Minister: Does she stand by all Prime Minister: Does she stand by all of Prime Minister: Does she stand by all of her Does she stand by all of her Government's Does she stand by all of her Government's statements Does she stand by all of her Government's statements and Does she stand by all of her Government's statements and actions? On On behalf On behalf of On behalf of the On behalf of the PM, On behalf of the PM, yes, On behalf of the PM, yes, and On behalf of the PM, yes, and I On behalf of the PM, yes, and I take On behalf of the PM, yes, and I take particular On behalf of the PM, yes, and I take particular pride On behalf of the PM, yes, and I take particular pride from On behalf of the PM, yes, and I take particular pride from one On behalf of the PM, yes, and I take particular pride from one frequent particular pride from one frequent commentator's particular pride from one frequent commentator's conclusion particular pride from one frequent commentator's conclusion this commentator's conclusion this morning commentator's conclusion this morning "Government commentator's conclusion this morning "Government can commentator's conclusion this morning "Government can take commentator's conclusion this morning "Government can take praise morning "Government can take praise for morning "Government can take praise for full morning "Government can take praise for full steam morning "Government can take praise for full steam ahead morning "Government can take praise for full steam ahead economy." morning "Government can take praise for full steam ahead economy." I for full steam ahead economy." I don't for full steam ahead economy." I don't often for full steam ahead economy." I don't often agree for full steam ahead economy." I don't often agree with for full steam ahead economy." I don't often agree with Mike for full steam ahead economy." I don't often agree with Mike Hosking don't often agree with Mike Hosking but don't often agree with Mike Hosking but in don't often agree with Mike Hosking but in this don't often agree with Mike Hosking but in this case don't often agree with Mike Hosking but in this case he don't often agree with Mike Hosking but in this case he hit don't often agree with Mike Hosking but in this case he hit the don't often agree with Mike Hosking but in this case he hit the nail don't often agree with Mike Hosking but in this case he hit the nail on but in this case he hit the nail on the but in this case he hit the nail on the head. but in this case he hit the nail on the head. Supplementary. but in this case he hit the nail on the head. Supplementary. In but in this case he hit the nail on the head. Supplementary. In light but in this case he hit the nail on the head. Supplementary. In light of the head. Supplementary. In light of the the head. Supplementary. In light of the PM's the head. Supplementary. In light of the PM's comments the head. Supplementary. In light of the PM's comments yesterday the head. Supplementary. In light of the PM's comments yesterday that the head. Supplementary. In light of the PM's comments yesterday that the the PM's comments yesterday that the National the PM's comments yesterday that the National Party the PM's comments yesterday that the National Party is the PM's comments yesterday that the National Party is responsible the PM's comments yesterday that the National Party is responsible for National Party is responsible for the National Party is responsible for the debacle National Party is responsible for the debacle of National Party is responsible for the debacle of Karel National Party is responsible for the debacle of Karel Sroubek, National Party is responsible for the debacle of Karel Sroubek, can the debacle of Karel Sroubek, can the the debacle of Karel Sroubek, can the PM the debacle of Karel Sroubek, can the PM confirm the debacle of Karel Sroubek, can the PM confirm that the debacle of Karel Sroubek, can the PM confirm that answers the debacle of Karel Sroubek, can the PM confirm that answers to the PM confirm that answers to written the PM confirm that answers to written questions the PM confirm that answers to written questions show the PM confirm that answers to written questions show that the PM confirm that answers to written questions show that Karel written questions show that Karel Sroubek written questions show that Karel Sroubek was written questions show that Karel Sroubek was granted written questions show that Karel Sroubek was granted a written questions show that Karel Sroubek was granted a visitor written questions show that Karel Sroubek was granted a visitor permit Sroubek was granted a visitor permit in Sroubek was granted a visitor permit in September Sroubek was granted a visitor permit in September 2003 Sroubek was granted a visitor permit in September 2003 and Sroubek was granted a visitor permit in September 2003 and granted Sroubek was granted a visitor permit in September 2003 and granted New in September 2003 and granted New Zealand in September 2003 and granted New Zealand residency in September 2003 and granted New Zealand residency in in September 2003 and granted New Zealand residency in June in September 2003 and granted New Zealand residency in June 2008 in September 2003 and granted New Zealand residency in June 2008 and Zealand residency in June 2008 and that Zealand residency in June 2008 and that both Zealand residency in June 2008 and that both of Zealand residency in June 2008 and that both of these Zealand residency in June 2008 and that both of these dates Zealand residency in June 2008 and that both of these dates were Zealand residency in June 2008 and that both of these dates were under that both of these dates were under a that both of these dates were under a previous that both of these dates were under a previous Labour that both of these dates were under a previous Labour Government. that both of these dates were under a previous Labour Government. On a previous Labour Government. On behalf a previous Labour Government. On behalf of a previous Labour Government. On behalf of the a previous Labour Government. On behalf of the PM, a previous Labour Government. On behalf of the PM, I a previous Labour Government. On behalf of the PM, I haven't a previous Labour Government. On behalf of the PM, I haven't seen behalf of the PM, I haven't seen that behalf of the PM, I haven't seen that information. behalf of the PM, I haven't seen that information. <INTERRUPTION> that information. <INTERRUPTION> Has that information. <INTERRUPTION> Has the that information. <INTERRUPTION> Has the PM that information. <INTERRUPTION> Has the PM seen that information. <INTERRUPTION> Has the PM seen answers that information. <INTERRUPTION> Has the PM seen answers to that information. <INTERRUPTION> Has the PM seen answers to written Has the PM seen answers to written questions Has the PM seen answers to written questions which Has the PM seen answers to written questions which show Has the PM seen answers to written questions which show there Has the PM seen answers to written questions which show there was Has the PM seen answers to written questions which show there was no questions which show there was no consideration questions which show there was no consideration of questions which show there was no consideration of the questions which show there was no consideration of the deportation questions which show there was no consideration of the deportation of consideration of the deportation of Karel consideration of the deportation of Karel Sroubek consideration of the deportation of Karel Sroubek between consideration of the deportation of Karel Sroubek between 2003 consideration of the deportation of Karel Sroubek between 2003 and consideration of the deportation of Karel Sroubek between 2003 and 2017? Karel Sroubek between 2003 and 2017? Mr Karel Sroubek between 2003 and 2017? Mr Speaker, Karel Sroubek between 2003 and 2017? Mr Speaker, I'm Karel Sroubek between 2003 and 2017? Mr Speaker, I'm not Karel Sroubek between 2003 and 2017? Mr Speaker, I'm not clear Karel Sroubek between 2003 and 2017? Mr Speaker, I'm not clear whether Mr Speaker, I'm not clear whether the Mr Speaker, I'm not clear whether the PM Mr Speaker, I'm not clear whether the PM has Mr Speaker, I'm not clear whether the PM has seen Mr Speaker, I'm not clear whether the PM has seen that Mr Speaker, I'm not clear whether the PM has seen that information Mr Speaker, I'm not clear whether the PM has seen that information or the PM has seen that information or not. the PM has seen that information or not. <INTERRUPTION> not. <INTERRUPTION> I not. <INTERRUPTION> I beg not. <INTERRUPTION> I beg your not. <INTERRUPTION> I beg your pardon? not. <INTERRUPTION> I beg your pardon? It not. <INTERRUPTION> I beg your pardon? 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The should just take more care. The minister should just take more care. The minister should should just take more care. The minister should not should just take more care. The minister should not make minister should not make allegations... minister should not make allegations... No, minister should not make allegations... No, she minister should not make allegations... No, she should minister should not make allegations... No, she should just allegations... No, she should just allegations... allegations... No, she should just be quiet now. allegations... No, she should just be quiet now. Supplementary. allegations... No, she should just be quiet now. Supplementary. Do be quiet now. Supplementary. Do police be quiet now. Supplementary. Do police or be quiet now. Supplementary. Do police or Immigration be quiet now. Supplementary. Do police or Immigration NZ be quiet now. Supplementary. Do police or Immigration NZ have be quiet now. Supplementary. Do police or Immigration NZ have a police or Immigration NZ have a record police or Immigration NZ have a record of police or Immigration NZ have a record of threats police or Immigration NZ have a record of threats made police or Immigration NZ have a record of threats made via police or Immigration NZ have a record of threats made via a police or Immigration NZ have a record of threats made via a phone record of threats made via a phone call record of threats made via a phone call from record of threats made via a phone call from Karel record of threats made via a phone call from Karel Sroubek record of threats made via a phone call from Karel Sroubek in record of threats made via a phone call from Karel Sroubek in the call from Karel Sroubek in the prison call from Karel Sroubek in the prison to call from Karel Sroubek in the prison to his call from Karel Sroubek in the prison to his estranged call from Karel Sroubek in the prison to his estranged wife call from Karel Sroubek in the prison to his estranged wife on call from Karel Sroubek in the prison to his estranged wife on 3 prison to his estranged wife on 3 May prison to his estranged wife on 3 May and prison to his estranged wife on 3 May and are prison to his estranged wife on 3 May and are they prison to his estranged wife on 3 May and are they considering prison to his estranged wife on 3 May and are they considering that prison to his estranged wife on 3 May and are they considering that as May and are they considering that as part May and are they considering that as part of May and are they considering that as part of their May and are they considering that as part of their investigation? 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And prejudicing it by your bellowing. And it prejudicing it by your bellowing. And it will prejudicing it by your bellowing. And it will consider prejudicing it by your bellowing. 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If that was the case, it does cheapen the further. If that was the case, it does cheapen the House. further. If that was the case, it does cheapen the House. A further. If that was the case, it does cheapen the House. A point further. If that was the case, it does cheapen the House. A point of does cheapen the House. A point of does cheapen the House. A point of does cheapen the House. A point of order. In does cheapen the House. A point of order. In relation does cheapen the House. A point of order. In relation to does cheapen the House. A point of order. In relation to that does cheapen the House. A point of order. In relation to that point does cheapen the House. A point of order. In relation to that point of order. In relation to that point of order, order. In relation to that point of order, I order. In relation to that point of order, I just order. In relation to that point of order, I just wasn't order. In relation to that point of order, I just wasn't clear order. In relation to that point of order, I just wasn't clear which order. In relation to that point of order. order. In relation to that point of Standing Order it order. In relation to that point of Standing Order it was order. In relation to that point of Standing Order it was that order. In relation to that point of Standing Order it was that the order. In relation to that point of Standing Order it was that the Hon Standing Order it was that the Hon Gerry Standing Order it was that the Hon Gerry Brownlee Standing Order it was that the Hon Gerry Brownlee was Standing Order it was that the Hon Gerry Brownlee was raising Standing Order it was that the Hon Gerry Brownlee was raising against Gerry Brownlee was raising against but Gerry Brownlee was raising against but he Gerry Brownlee was raising against but he does Gerry Brownlee was raising against but he does continuously Gerry Brownlee was raising against but he does continuously make but he does continuously make debating but he does continuously make debating points but he does continuously make debating points under but he does continuously make debating points under the but he does continuously make debating points under the guise but he does continuously make debating points under the guise of debating points under the guise of Standing debating points under the guise of Standing Orders debating points under the guise of Standing Orders - debating points under the guise of Standing Orders - points debating points under the guise of Standing Orders - points of debating points under the guise of Standing Orders - points of order. Standing Orders - points of order. In Standing Orders - points of order. In this Standing Orders - points of order. In this particular Standing Orders - points of order. In this particular case Standing Orders - points of order. In this particular case there Standing Orders - points of order. In this particular case there have In this particular case there have been In this particular case there have been a In this particular case there have been a series In this particular case there have been a series of In this particular case there have been a series of Speaker's In this particular case there have been a series of Speaker's rulings been a series of Speaker's rulings around been a series of Speaker's rulings around the been a series of Speaker's rulings around the fact been a series of Speaker's rulings around the fact that been a series of Speaker's rulings around the fact that judgement been a series of Speaker's rulings around the fact that judgement as been a series of Speaker's rulings around the fact that judgement as to around the fact that judgement as to around the fact that judgement as to around the fact that judgement as to what is around the fact that judgement as to what is in around the fact that judgement as to what is in the around the fact that judgement as to what is in the public around the fact that judgement as to what is in the public interest around the fact that judgement as to what is in the public interest for what is in the public interest for reporting what is in the public interest for reporting to what is in the public interest for reporting to this what is in the public interest for reporting to this House what is in the public interest for reporting to this House is what is in the public interest for reporting to this House is a what is in the public interest for reporting to this House is a matter reporting to this House is a matter for reporting to this House is a matter for an reporting to this House is a matter for an individual reporting to this House is a matter for an individual minister. reporting to this House is a matter for an individual minister. I reporting to this House is a matter for an individual minister. I am for an individual minister. I am very for an individual minister. I am very strong for an individual minister. I am very strong on for an individual minister. I am very strong on collective very strong on collective ministerial very strong on collective ministerial responsibility. very strong on collective ministerial responsibility. All ministerial responsibility. All ministers ministerial responsibility. All ministers speak ministerial responsibility. All ministers speak for ministerial responsibility. All ministers speak for other ministerial responsibility. All ministers speak for other ministers, ministers speak for other ministers, no ministers speak for other ministers, no matter ministers speak for other ministers, no matter what ministers speak for other ministers, no matter what the ministers speak for other ministers, no matter what the shape ministers speak for other ministers, no matter what the shape of ministers speak for other ministers, no matter what the shape of a no matter what the shape of a Government, no matter what the shape of a Government, and no matter what the shape of a Government, and in no matter what the shape of a Government, and in this no matter what the shape of a Government, and in this particular Government, and in this particular case, Government, and in this particular case, if Government, and in this particular case, if we Government, and in this particular case, if we have Government, and in this particular case, if we have one Government, and in this particular case, if we have one part Government, and in this particular case, if we have one part of Government, and in this particular case, if we have one part of a case, if we have one part of a Government case, if we have one part of a Government, case, if we have one part of a Government saying it's case, if we have one part of a Government saying it's in case, if we have one part of a Government saying it's in the case, if we have one part of a Government saying it's in the public Government saying it's in the public Government saying it's in the public Government saying it's in the public interest and Government saying it's in the public interest and shouldn't Government saying it's in the public interest and shouldn't be Government saying it's in the public interest and shouldn't be answered interest and shouldn't be answered and interest and shouldn't be answered and another interest and shouldn't be answered and another part interest and shouldn't be answered and another part of interest and shouldn't be answered and another part of the interest and shouldn't be answered and another part of the Government and another part of the Government saying and another part of the Government saying that and another part of the Government saying that it and another part of the Government saying that it is and another part of the Government saying that it is in and another part of the Government saying that it is in the and another part of the Government saying that it is in the public saying that it is in the public interest saying that it is in the public interest or saying that it is in the public interest or effectively saying that it is in the public interest or effectively saying saying that it is in the public interest or effectively saying that, interest or effectively saying that, then interest or effectively saying that, then it interest or effectively saying that, then it means interest or effectively saying that, then it means that interest or effectively saying that, then it means that this interest or effectively saying that, then it means that this House interest or effectively saying that, then it means that this House is interest or effectively saying that, then it means that this House is not then it means that this House is not then it means that this House is not then it means that this House is not getting good then it means that this House is not getting good service. then it means that this House is not getting good service. Question then it means that this House is not getting good service. Question No.3. then then it then it means then it means that then it means that this then it means that this House then it means that this House is then it means that this House is not then it means that this House is not getting then it means that this House is not getting good then it means that this House is not getting good service. then it means that this House is not getting good service. Question then it means that this House is not getting good service. Question No.3. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: Minister of Transport: Has Minister of Transport: Has he Minister of Transport: Has he seen Minister of Transport: Has he seen reports Has he seen reports that Has he seen reports that 41 Has he seen reports that 41 percent Has he seen reports that 41 percent of Has he seen reports that 41 percent of households that 41 percent of households with that 41 percent of households with incomes that 41 percent of households with incomes below that 41 percent of households with incomes below the that 41 percent of households with incomes below the average that 41 percent of households with incomes below the average level with incomes below the average level are with incomes below the average level are now with incomes below the average level are now spending with incomes below the average level are now spending less with incomes below the average level are now spending less on are now spending less on essential are now spending less on essential items are now spending less on essential items like are now spending less on essential items like food are now spending less on essential items like food and are now spending less on essential items like food and power essential items like food and power because essential items like food and power because of essential items like food and power because of higher essential items like food and power because of higher petrol essential items like food and power because of higher petrol prices, because of higher petrol prices, and because of higher petrol prices, and if because of higher petrol prices, and if so, and if so, will and if so, will he and if so, will he reconsider will he reconsider the will he reconsider the two will he reconsider the two further will he reconsider the two further petrol will he reconsider the two further petrol tax will he reconsider the two further petrol tax increases the two further petrol tax increases planned the two further petrol tax increases planned this the two further petrol tax increases planned this term? Yes Yes and Yes and no. Yes and no. Why Yes and no. Why is Yes and no. Why is he Yes and no. Why is he going Yes and no. Why is he going to Yes and no. Why is he going to continue Yes and no. Why is he going to continue to Yes and no. Why is he going to continue to increase Yes and no. Why is he going to continue to increase petrol Yes and no. Why is he going to continue to increase petrol taxes continue to increase petrol taxes when continue to increase petrol taxes when 40% continue to increase petrol taxes when 40% of continue to increase petrol taxes when 40% of low-income continue to increase petrol taxes when 40% of low-income families continue to increase petrol taxes when 40% of low-income families are when 40% of low-income families are having when 40% of low-income families are having to when 40% of low-income families are having to go when 40% of low-income families are having to go without when 40% of low-income families are having to go without essentials when 40% of low-income families are having to go without essentials like having to go without essentials like food having to go without essentials like food and having to go without essentials like food and power having to go without essentials like food and power because having to go without essentials like food and power because of having to go without essentials like food and power because of those having to go without essentials like food and power because of those high food and power because of those high petrol food and power because of those high petrol prices? food and power because of those high petrol prices? <INTERRUPTION> petrol prices? <INTERRUPTION> This petrol prices? <INTERRUPTION> This Government petrol prices? <INTERRUPTION> This Government is petrol prices? <INTERRUPTION> This Government is taking petrol prices? <INTERRUPTION> This Government is taking action petrol prices? <INTERRUPTION> This Government is taking action on This Government is taking action on petrol This Government is taking action on petrol prices This Government is taking action on petrol prices and This Government is taking action on petrol prices and forcing This Government is taking action on petrol prices and forcing the This Government is taking action on petrol prices and forcing the petrol petrol prices and forcing the petrol companies petrol prices and forcing the petrol companies to petrol prices and forcing the petrol companies to expose petrol prices and forcing the petrol companies to expose their petrol prices and forcing the petrol companies to expose their margins. companies to expose their margins. companies to expose their margins. <INTERRUPTION> We're <INTERRUPTION> We're getting <INTERRUPTION> We're getting the <INTERRUPTION> We're getting the evidence <INTERRUPTION> We're getting the evidence that <INTERRUPTION> We're getting the evidence that we We're getting the evidence that we need We're getting the evidence that we need to We're getting the evidence that we need to sort We're getting the evidence that we need to sort this We're getting the evidence that we need to sort this out We're getting the evidence that we need to sort this out because We're getting the evidence that we need to sort this out because no We're getting the evidence that we need to sort this out because no one need to sort this out because no one need to sort this out because no one need to sort this out because no one wants to need to sort this out because no one wants to see need to sort this out because no one wants to see Kiwis need to sort this out because no one wants to see Kiwis paying need to sort this out because no one wants to see Kiwis paying more need to sort this out because no one wants to see Kiwis paying more at wants to see Kiwis paying more at the wants to see Kiwis paying more at the pump wants to see Kiwis paying more at the pump than wants to see Kiwis paying more at the pump than they wants to see Kiwis paying more at the pump than they need wants to see Kiwis paying more at the pump than they need to. wants to see Kiwis paying more at the pump than they need to. But the pump than they need to. But despite the pump than they need to. But despite the the pump than they need to. But despite the member's the pump than they need to. But despite the member's consistent despite the member's consistent scaremongering, despite the member's consistent scaremongering, it's despite the member's consistent scaremongering, it's still despite the member's consistent scaremongering, it's still true despite the member's consistent scaremongering, it's still true that scaremongering, it's still true that most scaremongering, it's still true that most of scaremongering, it's still true that most of the scaremongering, it's still true that most of the increase scaremongering, it's still true that most of the increase by scaremongering, it's still true that most of the increase by a scaremongering, it's still true that most of the increase by a country most of the increase by a country mile most of the increase by a country mile in most of the increase by a country mile in petrol most of the increase by a country mile in petrol prices most of the increase by a country mile in petrol prices has most of the increase by a country mile in petrol prices has come most of the increase by a country mile in petrol prices has come from mile in petrol prices has come from increases mile in petrol prices has come from increases in mile in petrol prices has come from increases in international mile in petrol prices has come from increases in international crude increases in international crude prices, increases in international crude prices, a increases in international crude prices, a falling increases in international crude prices, a falling dollar, increases in international crude prices, a falling dollar, and prices, a falling dollar, and prices, a falling dollar, and prices, a falling dollar, and importer margins prices, a falling dollar, and importer margins rather prices, a falling dollar, and importer margins rather than prices, a falling dollar, and importer margins rather than taxes. importer margins rather than taxes. Does importer margins rather than taxes. Does he importer margins rather than taxes. Does he think importer margins rather than taxes. Does he think it importer margins rather than taxes. Does he think it is importer margins rather than taxes. Does he think it is scaremongering Does he think it is scaremongering to Does he think it is scaremongering to suggest Does he think it is scaremongering to suggest that Does he think it is scaremongering to suggest that the Does he think it is scaremongering to suggest that the petrol Does he think it is scaremongering to suggest that the petrol prices Does he think it is scaremongering to suggest that the petrol prices - to suggest that the petrol prices - petrol to suggest that the petrol prices - petrol taxes to suggest that the petrol prices - petrol taxes - to suggest that the petrol prices - petrol taxes - are to suggest that the petrol prices - petrol taxes - are regressive to suggest that the petrol prices - petrol taxes - are regressive and petrol taxes - are regressive and disproportionately petrol taxes - are regressive and disproportionately hurt petrol taxes - are regressive and disproportionately hurt lower petrol taxes - are regressive and disproportionately hurt lower income disproportionately hurt lower income houses disproportionately hurt lower income houses the disproportionately hurt lower income houses the most? disproportionately hurt lower income houses the most? 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The lack of a decent transport system and the decent transport system and the crippling decent transport system and the crippling infrastructure decent transport system and the crippling infrastructure deficit crippling infrastructure deficit that crippling infrastructure deficit that we crippling infrastructure deficit that we inherited crippling infrastructure deficit that we inherited after crippling infrastructure deficit that we inherited after nine crippling infrastructure deficit that we inherited after nine years that we inherited after nine years of that we inherited after nine years crippling that we inherited after nine years of that Government, that we inherited after nine years of that Government, that that we inherited after nine years of that Government, that is that we inherited after nine years of that Government, that is highly of that Government, that is highly of that Government, that is highly of that Government, that is highly regressive and of that Government, that is highly regressive and punishes of that Government, that is highly regressive and punishes poor of that Government, that is highly regressive and punishes poor people. regressive and punishes poor people. This regressive and punishes poor people. This Government's regressive and punishes poor people. This Government's committed regressive and punishes poor people. This Government's committed to This Government's committed to reversing This Government's committed to reversing that This Government's committed to reversing that deficit This Government's committed to reversing that deficit and This Government's committed to reversing that deficit and investing reversing that deficit and investing in reversing that deficit and investing reversing reversing that deficit and investing in the infrastructure reversing that deficit and investing in the infrastructure that reversing that deficit and investing in the infrastructure that our reversing that deficit and investing in the infrastructure that our towns in the infrastructure that our towns and in the infrastructure that our towns and cities in the infrastructure that our towns and cities need in the infrastructure that our towns and cities need to in the infrastructure that our towns and cities need to be in the infrastructure that our towns and cities need to be liveable in the infrastructure that our towns and cities need to be liveable and and cities need to be liveable and to and cities need to be liveable and to support and cities need to be liveable and to support the and cities need to be liveable and to support the economic and cities need to be liveable and to support the economic growth and cities need to be liveable and to support the economic growth that to support the economic growth that that to support the economic growth that that party to support the economic growth that that party allowed to support the economic growth that that party allowed to to support the economic growth that that party allowed to wither to support the economic growth that that party allowed to wither on to support the economic growth that that party allowed to wither on the that party allowed to wither on the vine that party allowed to wither on the vine for that party allowed to wither on the vine for nine that party allowed to wither on the vine for nine years. that party allowed to wither on the vine for nine years. <INTERRUPTION> vine for nine years. <INTERRUPTION> Does vine for nine years. <INTERRUPTION> Does he vine for nine years. <INTERRUPTION> Does he agree vine for nine years. <INTERRUPTION> Does he agree with vine for nine years. <INTERRUPTION> Does he agree with Treasury, vine for nine years. <INTERRUPTION> Does he agree with Treasury, who Does he agree with Treasury, who advised Does he agree with Treasury, who advised him Does he agree with Treasury, who advised him clearly, Does he agree with Treasury, who advised him clearly, that Does he agree with Treasury, who advised him clearly, that increasing advised him clearly, that increasing petrol advised him clearly, that increasing petrol taxes advised him clearly, that increasing petrol taxes has advised him clearly, that increasing petrol taxes has "a advised him clearly, that increasing petrol taxes has "a negative advised him clearly, that increasing petrol taxes has "a negative impact petrol taxes has "a negative impact on petrol taxes has "a negative impact on the petrol taxes has "a negative impact on the welfare petrol taxes has "a negative impact on the welfare of petrol taxes has "a negative impact on the welfare of low-income on the welfare of low-income households"? on the welfare of low-income households"? I on the welfare of low-income households"? I also on the welfare of low-income households"? I also agree on the welfare of low-income households"? I also agree with households"? I also agree with households"? I also agree with households"? I also agree with Treasury's analysis households"? I also agree with Treasury's analysis of households"? I also agree with Treasury's analysis of the households"? I also agree with Treasury's analysis of the effects Treasury's analysis of the effects Treasury's analysis of the effects Treasury's analysis of the effects of the Treasury's analysis of the effects of the Families Treasury's analysis of the effects of the Families Package Treasury's analysis of the effects of the Families Package which Treasury's analysis of the effects of the Families Package which put of the Families Package which put $75 of the Families Package which put $75 a of the Families Package which put $75 a week, of the Families Package which put $75 a week, on of the Families Package which put $75 a week, on average, of the Families Package which put $75 a week, on average, into of the Families Package which put $75 a week, on average, into the $75 a week, on average, into the household $75 a week, on average, into the household budgets $75 a week, on average, into the household budgets of $75 a week, on average, into the household budgets of 384,000 household budgets of 384,000 low-and-middle-income household budgets of 384,000 low-and-middle-income families. low-and-middle-income families. Alongside low-and-middle-income families. Alongside that, low-and-middle-income families. Alongside that, we low-and-middle-income families. Alongside that, we are low-and-middle-income families. Alongside that, we are investing low-and-middle-income families. Alongside that, we are investing in Alongside that, we are investing in modern Alongside that, we are investing in modern transport Alongside that, we are investing in modern transport systems Alongside that, we are investing in modern transport systems to Alongside that, we are investing in modern transport systems to give modern transport systems to give people modern transport systems to give people real modern transport systems to give people real choice, modern transport systems to give people real choice, particularly modern transport systems to give people real choice, particularly in people real choice, particularly in our people real choice, particularly in our cities. people real choice, particularly in our cities. Well, people real choice, particularly in our cities. Well, is people real choice, particularly in our cities. Well, is he people real choice, particularly in our cities. Well, is he aware people real choice, particularly in our cities. Well, is he aware that our cities. Well, is he aware that that our cities. Well, is he aware that that survey our cities. Well, is he aware that that survey that our cities. Well, is he aware that that survey that showed our cities. Well, is he aware that that survey that showed 40% our cities. Well, is he aware that that survey that showed 40% of that survey that showed 40% of low-income that survey that showed 40% of low-income households, that survey that showed 40% of low-income households, now that survey that showed 40% of low-income households, now having that survey that showed 40% of low-income households, now having to low-income households, now having to go low-income households, now having to go without low-income households, now having to go without essentials, low-income households, now having to go without essentials, because low-income households, now having to go without essentials, because of go without essentials, because of higher go without essentials, because of higher petrol go without essentials, because of higher petrol prices go without essentials, because of higher petrol prices and go without essentials, because of higher petrol prices and taxes go without essentials, because of higher petrol prices and taxes came higher petrol prices and taxes came higher petrol prices and taxes came higher petrol prices and taxes came after the higher petrol prices and taxes came after the families higher petrol prices and taxes came after the families income higher petrol prices and taxes came after the families income package after the families income package that after the families income package that hasn't after the families income package that hasn't stopped after the families income package that hasn't stopped them after the families income package that hasn't stopped them having after the families income package that hasn't stopped them having to that hasn't stopped them having to give that hasn't stopped them having to give up that hasn't stopped them having to give up on that hasn't stopped them having to give up on food that hasn't stopped them having to give up on food and that hasn't stopped them having to give up on food and energy that hasn't stopped them having to give up on food and energy and that hasn't stopped them having to give up on food and energy and other give up on food and energy and other essentials give up on food and energy and other essentials because give up on food and energy and other essentials because of give up on food and energy and other essentials because of the give up on food and energy and other essentials because of the taxes essentials because of the taxes imposed essentials because of the taxes imposed by essentials because of the taxes imposed by that essentials because of the taxes imposed by that Government? essentials because of the taxes imposed by that Government? Well, essentials because of the taxes imposed by that Government? Well, Mr imposed by that Government? Well, Mr Speaker, imposed by that Government? Well, Mr Speaker, the imposed by that Government? Well, Mr Speaker, the Colmar imposed by that Government? Well, Mr Speaker, the Colmar Brunton imposed by that Government? Well, Mr Speaker, the Colmar Brunton report Speaker, the Colmar Brunton report Speaker, the Colmar Brunton report Speaker, the Colmar Brunton report had some Speaker, the Colmar Brunton report had some excellent Speaker, the Colmar Brunton report had some excellent information Speaker, the Colmar Brunton report had some excellent information in had some excellent information in it. had some excellent information in it. It had some excellent information in it. It included had some excellent information in it. It included information had some excellent information in it. It included information that had some excellent information in it. 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Over the last week the PM announced $1.5 billion to build announced $1.5 billion to build announced $1.5 billion to build announced $1.5 billion to build 2,900 new announced $1.5 billion to build 2,900 new state announced $1.5 billion to build 2,900 new state houses announced $1.5 billion to build 2,900 new state houses and announced $1.5 billion to build 2,900 new state houses and up announced $1.5 billion to build 2,900 new state houses and up to 2,900 new state houses and up to 2,000 2,900 new state houses and up to 2,000 affordable 2,900 new state houses and up to 2,000 affordable KiwiBuild 2,900 new state houses and up to 2,000 affordable KiwiBuild and 2,000 affordable KiwiBuild and market 2,000 affordable KiwiBuild and market homes 2,000 affordable KiwiBuild and market homes in 2,000 affordable KiwiBuild and market homes in Porirua. 2,000 affordable KiwiBuild and market homes in Porirua. The 2,000 affordable KiwiBuild and market homes in Porirua. The first market homes in Porirua. The first KiwiBuild market homes in Porirua. The first KiwiBuild homes market homes in Porirua. The first KiwiBuild homes announced market homes in Porirua. The first KiwiBuild homes announced in market homes in Porirua. The first KiwiBuild homes announced in the KiwiBuild homes announced in the Wellington KiwiBuild homes announced in the Wellington region. KiwiBuild homes announced in the Wellington region. I KiwiBuild homes announced in the Wellington region. I released KiwiBuild homes announced in the Wellington region. I released the Wellington region. I released the latest Wellington region. I released the latest quarterly Wellington region. I released the latest quarterly update Wellington region. I released the latest quarterly update on Wellington region. I released the latest quarterly update on public latest quarterly update on public housing latest quarterly update on public housing which latest quarterly update on public housing which shows latest quarterly update on public housing which shows that latest quarterly update on public housing which shows that there latest quarterly update on public housing which shows that there are housing which shows that there are now housing which shows that there are now more housing which shows that there are now more than housing which shows that there are now more than 1,300 housing which shows that there are now more than 1,300 additional now more than 1,300 additional families now more than 1,300 additional families in now more than 1,300 additional families in public now more than 1,300 additional families in public housing now more than 1,300 additional families in public housing than families in public housing than there families in public housing than there were families in public housing than there were a families in public housing than there were a year families in public housing than there were a year ago. there were a year ago. there were a year ago. there were a year ago. Supplementary. What there were a year ago. Supplementary. What reports there were a year ago. Supplementary. What reports has there were a year ago. Supplementary. What reports has he Supplementary. What reports has he seen Supplementary. What reports has he seen on Supplementary. What reports has he seen on the Supplementary. What reports has he seen on the Porirua Supplementary. What reports has he seen on the Porirua announcement? seen on the Porirua announcement? Well seen on the Porirua announcement? Well the seen on the Porirua announcement? Well the poor seen on the Porirua announcement? Well the poor ry seen on the Porirua announcement? Well the poor ry rua seen on the Porirua announcement? 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What revitalisation of the wider poorry rua community." What other revitalisation of the wider poorry revitalisation revitalisation of the wider poorry announcements has he revitalisation of the wider poorry announcements has he seen revitalisation of the wider poorry announcements has he seen that revitalisation of the wider poorry announcements has he seen that will announcements has he seen that will announcements has he seen that will announcements has he seen that will help tackle announcements has he seen that will help tackle the announcements has he seen that will help tackle the national announcements has he seen that will help tackle the national housing help tackle the national housing crisis? help tackle the national housing crisis? The help tackle the national housing crisis? The KiwiBuild help tackle the national housing crisis? The KiwiBuild unit help tackle the national housing crisis? The KiwiBuild unit have help tackle the national housing crisis? The KiwiBuild unit have made crisis? The KiwiBuild unit have made two crisis? The KiwiBuild unit have made two announcements crisis? The KiwiBuild unit have made two announcements in crisis? The KiwiBuild unit have made two announcements in Auckland crisis? 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They announced that they have by the national housing crisis. They announced that they have opened by the national housing crisis. 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KiwiBuild is ballot for 10 two-bedroom aparts. KiwiBuild is giving ballot for 10 two-bedroom aparts. KiwiBuild is giving thousands ballot for 10 two-bedroom aparts. KiwiBuild is giving thousands of KiwiBuild is giving thousands of young KiwiBuild is giving thousands of young families KiwiBuild is giving thousands of young families who KiwiBuild is giving thousands of young families who have KiwiBuild is giving thousands of young families who have been KiwiBuild is giving thousands of young families who have been locked young families who have been locked out young families who have been locked out of young families who have been locked out of home young families who have been locked out of home ownership young families who have been locked out of home ownership in young families who have been locked out of home ownership in Auckland out of home ownership in Auckland and out of home ownership in Auckland and across out of home ownership in Auckland and across the out of home ownership in Auckland and across the country out of home ownership in Auckland and across the country a out of home ownership in Auckland and across the country a chance out of home ownership in Auckland and across the country a chance to and across the country a chance to buy and across the country a chance to buy their and across the country a chance to buy their own and across the country a chance to buy their own affordable and across the country a chance to buy their own affordable starter buy their own affordable starter home. buy their own affordable starter home. Question buy their own affordable starter home. Question No. buy their own affordable starter home. Question No. 6, buy their own affordable starter home. Question No. 6, Andrew buy their own affordable starter home. Question No. 6, Andrew Bayly. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: of Housing and Urban Development: Can of Housing and Urban Development: Can he of Housing and Urban Development: Can he confirm of Housing and Urban Development: Can he confirm that of Housing and Urban Development: Can he confirm that a of Housing and Urban Development: Can he confirm that a purchaser Can he confirm that a purchaser of Can he confirm that a purchaser of a Can he confirm that a purchaser of a KiwiBuild Can he confirm that a purchaser of a KiwiBuild house of a KiwiBuild house can of a KiwiBuild house can sell of a KiwiBuild house can sell that of a KiwiBuild house can sell that same of a KiwiBuild house can sell that same house can sell that same house within can sell that same house within three can sell that same house within three years within three years and within three years and keep within three years and keep 70 within three years and keep 70 percent within three years and keep 70 percent of within three years and keep 70 percent of any and keep 70 percent of any capital and keep 70 percent of any capital profit and keep 70 percent of any capital profit that and keep 70 percent of any capital profit that may and keep 70 percent of any capital profit that may arise? The The Hon The Hon Phil The Hon Phil Twyford. The Hon Phil Twyford. No. The Hon Phil Twyford. No. Why The Hon Phil Twyford. No. Why do The Hon Phil Twyford. No. Why do documents The Hon Phil Twyford. No. Why do documents on The Hon Phil Twyford. No. Why do documents on the The Hon Phil Twyford. 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Because agreement without KiwiBuild's prior consent"? Because that's agreement without KiwiBuild's prior consent"? Because that's what agreement without KiwiBuild's prior consent"? Because that's what the consent"? Because that's what the rule consent"? Because that's what the rule says. consent"? Because that's what the rule says. OK. consent"? Because that's what the rule says. OK. What consent"? Because that's what the rule says. OK. What Government rule says. OK. What Government objectives rule says. OK. What Government objectives are rule says. OK. What Government objectives are achieved rule says. OK. What Government objectives are achieved by rule says. OK. What Government objectives are achieved by selling objectives are achieved by selling houses objectives are achieved by selling houses through objectives are achieved by selling houses through a objectives are achieved by selling houses through a ballot objectives are achieved by selling houses through a ballot and objectives are achieved by selling houses through a ballot and allowing houses through a ballot and allowing the houses through a ballot and allowing the winners houses through a ballot and allowing the winners to houses through a ballot and allowing the winners to sell houses through a ballot and allowing the winners to sell them houses through a ballot and allowing the winners to sell them shortly the winners to sell them shortly thereafter the winners to sell them shortly thereafter and the winners to sell them shortly thereafter and keep the winners to sell them shortly thereafter and keep a the winners to sell them shortly thereafter and keep a good the winners to sell them shortly thereafter and keep a good chunk the winners to sell them shortly thereafter and keep a good chunk of thereafter and keep a good chunk of the thereafter and keep a good chunk of the profit? thereafter and keep a good chunk of the profit? 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The Government objective that's being pursued here is that's being pursued here is supplying that's being pursued here is supplying a that's being pursued here is supplying a generation that's being pursued here is supplying a generation of that's being pursued here is supplying a generation of young that's being pursued here is supplying a generation of young Kiwi supplying a generation of young Kiwi families supplying a generation of young Kiwi families with supplying a generation of young Kiwi families with the supplying a generation of young Kiwi families with the opportunity supplying a generation of young Kiwi families with the opportunity to supplying a generation of young Kiwi families with the opportunity to own families with the opportunity to own their families with the opportunity to own their own families with the opportunity to own their own home. families with the opportunity to own their own home. We're families with the opportunity to own their own home. We're also families with the opportunity to own their own home. We're also balancing their own home. We're also balancing the their own home. We're also balancing the community's their own home. We're also balancing the community's rightful their own home. We're also balancing the community's rightful expectation the community's rightful expectation that the community's rightful expectation that KiwiBuild the community's rightful expectation that KiwiBuild homes the community's rightful expectation that KiwiBuild homes will the community's rightful expectation that KiwiBuild homes will go the community's rightful expectation that KiwiBuild homes will go to that KiwiBuild homes will go to those that KiwiBuild homes will go to those people that KiwiBuild homes will go to those people who that KiwiBuild homes will go to those people who need that KiwiBuild homes will go to those people who need them that KiwiBuild homes will go to those people who need them - that KiwiBuild homes will go to those people who need them - young those people who need them - young families those people who need them - young families who, those people who need them - young families who, 10 those people who need them - young families who, 10 years those people who need them - young families who, 10 years ago, those people who need them - young families who, 10 years ago, would families who, 10 years ago, would have families who, 10 years ago, would have been families who, 10 years ago, would have been able families who, 10 years ago, would have been able to families who, 10 years ago, would have been able to buy families who, 10 years ago, would have been able to buy their families who, 10 years ago, would have been able to buy their own have been able to buy their own home. have been able to buy their own home. 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So we understand that there needs to be flexibility that there needs to be flexibility built that there needs to be flexibility built into that there needs to be flexibility built into the that there needs to be flexibility built into the system. that there needs to be flexibility built into the system. And that there needs to be flexibility built into the system. And that's built into the system. And that's why built into the system. And that's why we built into the system. And that's why we require built into the system. And that's why we require people built into the system. And that's why we require people to built into the system. And that's why we require people to live built into the system. And that's why we require people to live in why we require people to live in that why we require people to live in that home why we require people to live in that home for why we require people to live in that home for three why we require people to live in that home for three years why we require people to live in that home for three years - why we require people to live in that home for three years - unless that home for three years - unless they that home for three years - unless they have that home for three years - unless they have the that home for three years - unless they have the express that home for three years - unless they have the express permission that home for three years - unless they have the express permission of they have the express permission of the they have the express permission of the KiwiBuild they have the express permission of the KiwiBuild unit they have the express permission of the KiwiBuild unit to they have the express permission of the KiwiBuild unit to do they have the express permission of the KiwiBuild unit to do otherwise. the KiwiBuild unit to do otherwise. Kieran the KiwiBuild unit to do otherwise. Kieran McAnulty. the KiwiBuild unit to do otherwise. Kieran McAnulty. Has the KiwiBuild unit to do otherwise. Kieran McAnulty. Has he the KiwiBuild unit to do otherwise. Kieran McAnulty. Has he seen the KiwiBuild unit to do otherwise. Kieran McAnulty. Has he seen any Kieran McAnulty. Has he seen any reports Kieran McAnulty. Has he seen any reports of Kieran McAnulty. Has he seen any reports of any Kieran McAnulty. Has he seen any reports of any other Kieran McAnulty. Has he seen any reports of any other affordable reports of any other affordable homeownership reports of any other affordable homeownership schemes reports of any other affordable homeownership schemes stopping reports of any other affordable homeownership schemes stopping the homeownership schemes stopping the new homeownership schemes stopping the new owners homeownership schemes stopping the new owners from homeownership schemes stopping the new owners from selling homeownership schemes stopping the new owners from selling homes? homeownership schemes stopping the new owners from selling homes? Mr new owners from selling homes? Mr Speaker, new owners from selling homes? Mr Speaker, I new owners from selling homes? Mr Speaker, I have new owners from selling homes? Mr Speaker, I have seen new owners from selling homes? Mr Speaker, I have seen a new owners from selling homes? Mr Speaker, I have seen a programme Speaker, I have seen a programme whereby Speaker, I have seen a programme whereby modest Speaker, I have seen a programme whereby modest starter Speaker, I have seen a programme whereby modest starter homes Speaker, I have seen a programme whereby modest starter homes were whereby modest starter homes were built, whereby modest starter homes were built, first whereby modest starter homes were built, first home whereby modest starter homes were built, first home buyers whereby modest starter homes were built, first home buyers entered built, first home buyers entered into built, first home buyers entered into a built, first home buyers entered into a ballot, built, first home buyers entered into a ballot, the built, first home buyers entered into a ballot, the homes built, first home buyers entered into a ballot, the homes were built, first home buyers entered into a ballot, the homes were sold into a ballot, the homes were sold at into a ballot, the homes were sold at a into a ballot, the homes were sold at a fixed into a ballot, the homes were sold at a fixed price, into a ballot, the homes were sold at a fixed price, buyers into a ballot, the homes were sold at a fixed price, buyers agreed into a ballot, the homes were sold at a fixed price, buyers agreed to at a fixed price, buyers agreed to live at a fixed price, buyers agreed to live in at a fixed price, buyers agreed to live in the at a fixed price, buyers agreed to live in the home at a fixed price, buyers agreed to live in the home for at a fixed price, buyers agreed to live in the home for two at a fixed price, buyers agreed to live in the home for two years at a fixed price, buyers agreed to live in the home for two years with live in the home for two years with no live in the home for two years with no requirement live in the home for two years with no requirement to live in the home for two years with no requirement to pay live in the home for two years with no requirement to pay capital live in the home for two years with no requirement to pay capital gains no requirement to pay capital gains - no requirement to pay capital gains - and no requirement to pay capital gains - and that's no requirement to pay capital gains - and that's the no requirement to pay capital gains - and that's the previous - and that's the previous government's - and that's the previous government's Axis - and that's the previous government's Axis Affordable - and that's the previous government's Axis Affordable Housing government's Axis Affordable Housing Programme. government's Axis Affordable Housing Programme. The government's Axis Affordable Housing Programme. The main government's Axis Affordable Housing Programme. The main difference Programme. The main difference between Programme. The main difference between their Programme. The main difference between their programme Programme. The main difference between their programme and Programme. The main difference between their programme and ours Programme. The main difference between their programme and ours - between their programme and ours - they between their programme and ours - they built between their programme and ours - they built dozens between their programme and ours - they built dozens of between their programme and ours - they built dozens of houses, between their programme and ours - they built dozens of houses, we're they built dozens of houses, we're building they built dozens of houses, we're building thousands. they built dozens of houses, we're building thousands. <INTERRUPTION> building thousands. <INTERRUPTION> Why building thousands. <INTERRUPTION> Why is building thousands. <INTERRUPTION> Why is it building thousands. <INTERRUPTION> Why is it not building thousands. <INTERRUPTION> Why is it not a building thousands. <INTERRUPTION> Why is it not a subsidy building thousands. <INTERRUPTION> Why is it not a subsidy if building thousands. <INTERRUPTION> Why is it not a subsidy if KiwiBuild Why is it not a subsidy if KiwiBuild agrees Why is it not a subsidy if KiwiBuild agrees to Why is it not a subsidy if KiwiBuild agrees to sell Why is it not a subsidy if KiwiBuild agrees to sell a Why is it not a subsidy if KiwiBuild agrees to sell a house Why is it not a subsidy if KiwiBuild agrees to sell a house to Why is it not a subsidy if KiwiBuild agrees to sell a house to a agrees to sell a house to a purchaser agrees to sell a house to a purchaser and agrees to sell a house to a purchaser and that agrees to sell a house to a purchaser and that purchaser purchaser and that purchaser subsequently purchaser and that purchaser subsequently on-sells purchaser and that purchaser subsequently on-sells that purchaser and that purchaser subsequently on-sells that house purchaser and that purchaser subsequently on-sells that house and subsequently on-sells that house and receives subsequently on-sells that house and receives an subsequently on-sells that house and receives an immediate subsequently on-sells that house and receives an immediate profit? subsequently on-sells that house and receives an immediate profit? 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Question the market price for that house. Question No. the market price for that house. Question No. 7, the market price for that house. Question No. 7, Chris the market price for that house. Question No. 7, Chris Bishop. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Minister of Police: Does Minister of Police: Does he Minister of Police: Does he have Minister of Police: Does he have confidence Does he have confidence in Does he have confidence in Deputy Does he have confidence in Deputy Commissioner Does he have confidence in Deputy Commissioner of Does he have confidence in Deputy Commissioner of Police in Deputy Commissioner of Police Wally in Deputy Commissioner of Police Wally Haumaha? The The Hon The Hon Stuart The Hon Stuart Nash. The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, as The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, as I The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, as I said The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, as I said in The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, as I said in a The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, as I said in a response The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, as I said in a response to The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, as I said in a response to an The Hon Stuart Nash. 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That appointed, and I think we need to play that out." That inquiry appointed, and I think we need to play that out." That inquiry has appointed, and I think we need to play that out." That inquiry has not play that out." That inquiry has not yet play that out." That inquiry has not yet publicly play that out." That inquiry has not yet publicly reported. yet publicly reported. Supplementary: yet publicly reported. Supplementary: Does yet publicly reported. Supplementary: Does he yet publicly reported. Supplementary: Does he accept yet publicly reported. Supplementary: Does he accept that Supplementary: Does he accept that the Supplementary: Does he accept that the PM Supplementary: Does he accept that the PM has Supplementary: Does he accept that the PM has the Supplementary: Does he accept that the PM has the power Supplementary: Does he accept that the PM has the power to Supplementary: Does he accept that the PM has the power to stand Supplementary: Does he accept that the PM has the power to stand Mr the PM has the power to stand Mr Haumaha the PM has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, the PM has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, given the PM has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, given the the PM has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, given the Police Haumaha down, given the Police Commissioner Haumaha down, given the Police Commissioner told Haumaha down, given the Police Commissioner told the Haumaha down, given the Police Commissioner told the Justice Commissioner told the Justice Committee Commissioner told the Justice Committee this Commissioner told the Justice Committee this morning Commissioner told the Justice Committee this morning that Commissioner told the Justice Committee this morning that he Commissioner told the Justice Committee this morning that he had Committee this morning that he had taken Committee this morning that he had taken "extensive Committee this morning that he had taken "extensive legal Committee this morning that he had taken "extensive legal advice" Committee this morning that he had taken "extensive legal advice" about taken "extensive legal advice" about this taken "extensive legal advice" about this question, taken "extensive legal advice" about this question, which taken "extensive legal advice" about this question, which concluded taken "extensive legal advice" about this question, which concluded that this question, which concluded that he this question, which concluded that he does this question, which concluded that he does not this question, which concluded that he does not have this question, which concluded that he does not have the this question, which concluded that he does not have the power this question, which concluded that he does not have the power to this question, which concluded that he does not have the power to stand he does not have the power to stand him he does not have the power to stand him down? he does not have the power to stand him down? 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Is the member trying to say that he's member trying to say that he's responsible member trying to say that he's responsible for member trying to say that he's responsible for the member trying to say that he's responsible for the advice member trying to say that he's responsible for the advice that member trying to say that he's responsible for the advice that the responsible for the advice that the commissioner responsible for the advice that the commissioner gives responsible for the advice that the commissioner gives to responsible for the advice that the commissioner gives to a responsible for the advice that the commissioner gives to a select commissioner gives to a select committee? commissioner gives to a select committee? Or commissioner gives to a select committee? Or he's commissioner gives to a select committee? Or he's responsible commissioner gives to a select committee? Or he's responsible for committee? Or he's responsible for the committee? Or he's responsible for the PM? committee? Or he's responsible for the PM? Neither committee? Or he's responsible for the PM? Neither of committee? Or he's responsible for the PM? Neither of which committee? Or he's responsible for the PM? Neither of which I committee? Or he's responsible for the PM? Neither of which I think committee? Or he's responsible for the PM? Neither of which I think are the PM? Neither of which I think are this the PM? Neither of which I think are this minister's the PM? Neither of which I think are this minister's responsibility. the PM? Neither of which I think are this minister's responsibility. Have this minister's responsibility. Have another this minister's responsibility. Have another go this minister's responsibility. Have another go at this minister's responsibility. Have another go at trying this minister's responsibility. Have another go at trying to this minister's responsibility. Have another go at trying to get this minister's responsibility. Have another go at trying to get it this minister's responsibility. Have another go at trying to get it in another go at trying to get it in line. another go at trying to get it in line. Does another go at trying to get it in line. Does he another go at trying to get it in line. Does he agree another go at trying to get it in line. Does he agree that another go at trying to get it in line. Does he agree that the another go at trying to get it in line. Does he agree that the PM another go at trying to get it in line. Does he agree that the PM has line. Does he agree that the PM has the line. Does he agree that the PM has the power line. Does he agree that the PM has the power to line. Does he agree that the PM has the power to stand line. Does he agree that the PM has the power to stand Mr line. Does he agree that the PM has the power to stand Mr Haumaha line. Does he agree that the PM has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, given the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, given the the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, given the Police the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, given the Police Commissioner the power to stand Mr Haumaha down, given the Police Commissioner told given the Police Commissioner told the given the Police Commissioner told the Justice given the Police Commissioner told the Justice Committee given the Police Commissioner told the Justice Committee this given the Police Commissioner told the Justice Committee this morning the Justice Committee this morning that the Justice Committee this morning that he the Justice Committee this morning that he had the Justice Committee this morning that he had taken the Justice Committee this morning that he had taken extensive the Justice Committee this morning that he had taken extensive legal that he had taken extensive legal advice that he had taken extensive legal advice about that he had taken extensive legal advice about the that he had taken extensive legal advice about the question, that he had taken extensive legal advice about the question, which advice about the question, which concluded advice about the question, which concluded that advice about the question, which concluded that he advice about the question, which concluded that he does advice about the question, which concluded that he does not advice about the question, which concluded that he does not have advice about the question, which concluded that he does not have the concluded that he does not have the power concluded that he does not have the power to concluded that he does not have the power to stand concluded that he does not have the power to stand them concluded that he does not have the power to stand them down? concluded that he does not have the power to stand them down? A concluded that he does not have the power to stand them down? A point concluded that he does not have the power to stand them down? A point of power to stand them down? A point of order, power to stand them down? A point of order, Chris power to stand them down? A point of order, Chris Hipkins. power to stand them down? A point of order, Chris Hipkins. Mr power to stand them down? A point of order, Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, order, Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the order, Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the member order, Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the member appears order, Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the member appears to order, Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the member appears to be order, Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the member appears to be asking order, Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the member appears to be asking the the member appears to be asking the Minister the member appears to be asking the Minister for the member appears to be asking the Minister for a the member appears to be asking the Minister for a legal the member appears to be asking the Minister for a legal opinion. the member appears to be asking the Minister for a legal opinion. No, the member appears to be asking the Minister for a legal opinion. No, I Minister for a legal opinion. No, I think Minister for a legal opinion. No, I think - Minister for a legal opinion. No, I think - no... Minister for a legal opinion. No, I think - no... Can Minister for a legal opinion. No, I think - no... Can I Minister for a legal opinion. No, I think - no... Can I deal Minister for a legal opinion. No, I think - no... Can I deal with Minister for a legal opinion. No, I think - no... Can I deal with the think - no... Can I deal with the first think - no... Can I deal with the first one think - no... Can I deal with the first one first? think - no... Can I deal with the first one first? I think - no... Can I deal with the first one first? I think think - no... Can I deal with the first one first? I think ministers first one first? I think ministers should first one first? I think ministers should all first one first? I think ministers should all be first one first? I think ministers should all be across first one first? I think ministers should all be across the first one first? I think ministers should all be across the appointment should all be across the appointment methods should all be across the appointment methods of should all be across the appointment methods of their should all be across the appointment methods of their senior should all be across the appointment methods of their senior staff should all be across the appointment methods of their senior staff and, methods of their senior staff and, as methods of their senior staff and, as well methods of their senior staff and, as well as methods of their senior staff and, as well as a methods of their senior staff and, as well as a matter methods of their senior staff and, as well as a matter of methods of their senior staff and, as well as a matter of law, methods of their senior staff and, as well as a matter of law, it's methods of their senior staff and, as well as a matter of law, it's a as well as a matter of law, it's a matter as well as a matter of law, it's a matter of as well as a matter of law, it's a matter of policy. as well as a matter of law, it's a matter of policy. And as well as a matter of law, it's a matter of policy. And I as well as a matter of law, it's a matter of policy. And I think as well as a matter of law, it's a matter of policy. And I think you matter of policy. And I think you should matter of policy. And I think you should be matter of policy. And I think you should be across matter of policy. And I think you should be across that. matter of policy. And I think you should be across that. So matter of policy. And I think you should be across that. So I'm matter of policy. And I think you should be across that. So I'm going should be across that. So I'm going to should be across that. So I'm going to rule should be across that. So I'm going to rule that should be across that. So I'm going to rule that point should be across that. So I'm going to rule that point of should be across that. So I'm going to rule that point of order should be across that. So I'm going to rule that point of order out. should be across that. So I'm going to rule that point of order out. Mr to rule that point of order out. Mr Brownlee to rule that point of order out. Mr Brownlee had to rule that point of order out. Mr Brownlee had another to rule that point of order out. Mr Brownlee had another one...? to rule that point of order out. Mr Brownlee had another one...? Mr Brownlee had another one...? Mr Speaker, Brownlee had another one...? Mr Speaker, I Brownlee had another one...? Mr Speaker, I wasn't Brownlee had another one...? Mr Speaker, I wasn't at Brownlee had another one...? Mr Speaker, I wasn't at the Brownlee had another one...? Mr Speaker, I wasn't at the select Speaker, I wasn't at the select committee Speaker, I wasn't at the select committee this Speaker, I wasn't at the select committee this morning, Speaker, I wasn't at the select committee this morning, therefore committee this morning, therefore I'm committee this morning, therefore I'm not committee this morning, therefore I'm not too committee this morning, therefore I'm not too sure committee this morning, therefore I'm not too sure what committee this morning, therefore I'm not too sure what the I'm not too sure what the commissioner I'm not too sure what the commissioner actually I'm not too sure what the commissioner actually said I'm not too sure what the commissioner actually said to I'm not too sure what the commissioner actually said to that commissioner actually said to that committee. commissioner actually said to that committee. Who commissioner actually said to that committee. Who has commissioner actually said to that committee. Who has the commissioner actually said to that committee. Who has the power commissioner actually said to that committee. Who has the power to committee. Who has the power to stand committee. Who has the power to stand Mr committee. Who has the power to stand Mr Haumaha committee. Who has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down committee. Who has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down - committee. Who has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down - the committee. Who has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down - the PM, committee. Who has the power to stand Mr Haumaha down - the PM, or stand Mr Haumaha down - the PM, or the stand Mr Haumaha down - the PM, or the Police stand Mr Haumaha down - the PM, or the Police Commissioner? stand Mr Haumaha down - the PM, or the Police Commissioner? Mr stand Mr Haumaha down - the PM, or the Police Commissioner? Mr Speaker, the Police Commissioner? Mr Speaker, the the Police Commissioner? Mr Speaker, the Police the Police Commissioner? Mr Speaker, the Police Commissioner the Police Commissioner? Mr Speaker, the Police Commissioner does the Police Commissioner? Mr Speaker, the Police Commissioner does not the Police Commissioner does not have the Police Commissioner does not have the the Police Commissioner does not have the power the Police Commissioner does not have the power to the Police Commissioner does not have the power to stand the Police Commissioner does not have the power to stand Wally have the power to stand Wally Haumaha have the power to stand Wally Haumaha down. have the power to stand Wally Haumaha down. The have the power to stand Wally Haumaha down. The Police Haumaha down. The Police Commissioner Haumaha down. The Police Commissioner - Haumaha down. The Police Commissioner - so, Haumaha down. The Police Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha down. The Police Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha Haumaha down. The Police Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha is Haumaha down. The Police Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha is a Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha is a warranted Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha is a warranted officer Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha is a warranted officer who Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha is a warranted officer who is Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha is a warranted officer who is there Commissioner - so, Mr Haumaha is a warranted officer who is there by warranted officer who is there by "the warranted officer who is there by "the pleasure warranted officer who is there by "the pleasure of warranted officer who is there by "the pleasure of the "the pleasure of the Governor-General". "the pleasure of the Governor-General". Does "the pleasure of the Governor-General". Does he "the pleasure of the Governor-General". Does he agree Governor-General". Does he agree with Governor-General". Does he agree with comments Governor-General". Does he agree with comments by Governor-General". Does he agree with comments by then-Prime Governor-General". Does he agree with comments by then-Prime Minister with comments by then-Prime Minister Helen with comments by then-Prime Minister Helen Clark with comments by then-Prime Minister Helen Clark as with comments by then-Prime Minister Helen Clark as to with comments by then-Prime Minister Helen Clark as to why with comments by then-Prime Minister Helen Clark as to why she with comments by then-Prime Minister Helen Clark as to why she refused with comments by then-Prime Minister Helen Clark as to why she refused to Helen Clark as to why she refused to promote Helen Clark as to why she refused to promote Mr Helen Clark as to why she refused to promote Mr Clint Helen Clark as to why she refused to promote Mr Clint Rickards Helen Clark as to why she refused to promote Mr Clint Rickards to Helen Clark as to why she refused to promote Mr Clint Rickards to deputy promote Mr Clint Rickards to deputy commissioner, promote Mr Clint Rickards to deputy commissioner, namely, promote Mr Clint Rickards to deputy commissioner, namely, "I promote Mr Clint Rickards to deputy commissioner, namely, "I have promote Mr Clint Rickards to deputy commissioner, namely, "I have to commissioner, namely, "I have to take commissioner, namely, "I have to take into commissioner, namely, "I have to take into account commissioner, namely, "I have to take into account I commissioner, namely, "I have to take into account I am commissioner, namely, "I have to take into account I am making commissioner, namely, "I have to take into account I am making a take into account I am making a recommendation take into account I am making a recommendation for take into account I am making a recommendation for one take into account I am making a recommendation for one of take into account I am making a recommendation for one of the recommendation for one of the highest recommendation for one of the highest statutory recommendation for one of the highest statutory positions recommendation for one of the highest statutory positions in recommendation for one of the highest statutory positions in the highest statutory positions in the land, highest statutory positions in the land, and highest statutory positions in the land, and that highest statutory positions in the land, and that if highest statutory positions in the land, and that if there highest statutory positions in the land, and that if there are highest statutory positions in the land, and that if there are going highest statutory positions in the land, and that if there are going to land, and that if there are going to be land, and that if there are going to be anonymous land, and that if there are going to be anonymous allegations land, and that if there are going to be anonymous allegations and be anonymous allegations and innuendo be anonymous allegations and innuendo around be anonymous allegations and innuendo around a be anonymous allegations and innuendo around a person be anonymous allegations and innuendo around a person in be anonymous allegations and innuendo around a person in such be anonymous allegations and innuendo around a person in such a innuendo around a person in such a position, innuendo around a person in such a position, that innuendo around a person in such a position, that doesn't innuendo around a person in such a position, that doesn't help innuendo around a person in such a position, that doesn't help the innuendo around a person in such a position, that doesn't help the NZ position, that doesn't help the NZ Police"? position, that doesn't help the NZ Police"? Does position, that doesn't help the NZ Police"? Does he position, that doesn't help the NZ Police"? Does he think position, that doesn't help the NZ Police"? Does he think the position, that doesn't help the NZ Police"? Does he think the same Police"? Does he think the same problems Police"? Does he think the same problems arise Police"? Does he think the same problems arise with Police"? Does he think the same problems arise with Mr Police"? Does he think the same problems arise with Mr Haumaha? Police"? Does he think the same problems arise with Mr Haumaha? She problems arise with Mr Haumaha? She was problems arise with Mr Haumaha? She was a problems arise with Mr Haumaha? She was a very problems arise with Mr Haumaha? She was a very wise problems arise with Mr Haumaha? She was a very wise woman, problems arise with Mr Haumaha? She was a very wise woman, was problems arise with Mr Haumaha? She was a very wise woman, was the was a very wise woman, was the former was a very wise woman, was the former PM, was a very wise woman, was the former PM, Helen was a very wise woman, was the former PM, Helen Clark, was a very wise woman, was the former PM, Helen Clark, and was a very wise woman, was the former PM, Helen Clark, and I was a very wise woman, was the former PM, Helen Clark, and I agree former PM, Helen Clark, and I agree with former PM, Helen Clark, and I agree with her former PM, Helen Clark, and I agree with her comments. former PM, Helen Clark, and I agree with her comments. Supplementary: former PM, Helen Clark, and I agree with her comments. Supplementary: Is with her comments. Supplementary: Is he with her comments. Supplementary: Is he comfortable with her comments. Supplementary: Is he comfortable having with her comments. Supplementary: Is he comfortable having a with her comments. Supplementary: Is he comfortable having a statatorily he comfortable having a statatorily appointed he comfortable having a statatorily appointed Deputy he comfortable having a statatorily appointed Deputy Commissioner he comfortable having a statatorily appointed Deputy Commissioner of appointed Deputy Commissioner of Police appointed Deputy Commissioner of Police who appointed Deputy Commissioner of Police who has appointed Deputy Commissioner of Police who has received appointed Deputy Commissioner of Police who has received extensive Police who has received extensive publicity Police who has received extensive publicity for Police who has received extensive publicity for having Police who has received extensive publicity for having reportedly publicity for having reportedly described publicity for having reportedly described Louise publicity for having reportedly described Louise Nicholas's described Louise Nicholas's allegations described Louise Nicholas's allegations as described Louise Nicholas's allegations as "a described Louise Nicholas's allegations as "a nonsense" described Louise Nicholas's allegations as "a nonsense" and allegations as "a nonsense" and "nothing allegations as "a nonsense" and "nothing really allegations as "a nonsense" and "nothing really happened" allegations as "a nonsense" and "nothing really happened" and allegations as "a nonsense" and "nothing really happened" and that "nothing really happened" and that "we "nothing really happened" and that "we have "nothing really happened" and that "we have to "nothing really happened" and that "we have to stick "nothing really happened" and that "we have to stick together"? "nothing really happened" and that "we have to stick together"? Mr "we have to stick together"? Mr Speaker, "we have to stick together"? Mr Speaker, can "we have to stick together"? Mr Speaker, can I "we have to stick together"? Mr Speaker, can I just "we have to stick together"? Mr Speaker, can I just make "we have to stick together"? Mr Speaker, can I just make one "we have to stick together"? Mr Speaker, can I just make one thing Speaker, can I just make one thing clear? Speaker, can I just make one thing clear? Under Speaker, can I just make one thing clear? Under the Speaker, can I just make one thing clear? Under the state Speaker, can I just make one thing clear? Under the state services Speaker, can I just make one thing clear? Under the state services Act clear? Under the state services Act 1998, clear? Under the state services Act 1998, all clear? Under the state services Act 1998, all matters clear? Under the state services Act 1998, all matters relating clear? Under the state services Act 1998, all matters relating to 1998, all matters relating to individual 1998, all matters relating to individual employees 1998, all matters relating to individual employees are 1998, all matters relating to individual employees are the individual employees are the responsibility individual employees are the responsibility of individual employees are the responsibility of the individual employees are the responsibility of the chief responsibility of the chief executive, responsibility of the chief executive, who responsibility of the chief executive, who must responsibility of the chief executive, who must act executive, who must act independently executive, who must act independently of executive, who must act independently of the executive, who must act independently of the Minister. executive, who must act independently of the Minister. My independently of the Minister. My role independently of the Minister. My role is independently of the Minister. My role is limited independently of the Minister. My role is limited to independently of the Minister. My role is limited to expressing role is limited to expressing confidence role is limited to expressing confidence in role is limited to expressing confidence in the role is limited to expressing confidence in the chief role is limited to expressing confidence in the chief executive role is limited to expressing confidence in the chief executive - confidence in the chief executive - in confidence in the chief executive - in this confidence in the chief executive - in this case, confidence in the chief executive - in this case, the confidence in the chief executive - in this case, the Commissioner confidence in the chief executive - in this case, the Commissioner of in this case, the Commissioner of Police in this case, the Commissioner of Police - in this case, the Commissioner of Police - who in this case, the Commissioner of Police - who has in this case, the Commissioner of Police - who has my in this case, the Commissioner of Police - who has my utmost in this case, the Commissioner of Police - who has my utmost support. Police - who has my utmost support. The Police - who has my utmost support. The Commissioner Police - who has my utmost support. The Commissioner of Police - who has my utmost support. The Commissioner of Police Police - who has my utmost support. The Commissioner of Police is Police - who has my utmost support. The Commissioner of Police is a The Commissioner of Police is a constitutional The Commissioner of Police is a constitutional responsibility The Commissioner of Police is a constitutional responsibility -- The Commissioner of Police is a constitutional responsibility -- has constitutional responsibility -- has a constitutional responsibility -- has a constitutional constitutional responsibility -- has a constitutional responsibility constitutional responsibility -- has a constitutional responsibility for a constitutional responsibility for his a constitutional responsibility for his officers. a constitutional responsibility for his officers. I a constitutional responsibility for his officers. I am a constitutional responsibility for his officers. I am precluded a constitutional responsibility for his officers. I am precluded under his officers. I am precluded under that his officers. I am precluded under that Act his officers. I am precluded under that Act for his officers. I am precluded under that Act for any his officers. I am precluded under that Act for any staffing his officers. I am precluded under that Act for any staffing matters. his officers. I am precluded under that Act for any staffing matters. I that Act for any staffing matters. I do that Act for any staffing matters. I do expect that Act for any staffing matters. I do expect the that Act for any staffing matters. I do expect the Commissioner that Act for any staffing matters. I do expect the Commissioner of that Act for any staffing matters. I do expect the Commissioner of Police do expect the Commissioner of Police to do expect the Commissioner of Police to maintain do expect the Commissioner of Police to maintain oversight do expect the Commissioner of Police to maintain oversight of do expect the Commissioner of Police to maintain oversight of his to maintain oversight of his workforce, to maintain oversight of his workforce, and to maintain oversight of his workforce, and to to maintain oversight of his workforce, and to assign to maintain oversight of his workforce, and to assign duties to maintain oversight of his workforce, and to assign duties as workforce, and to assign duties as appropriate. workforce, and to assign duties as appropriate. Point workforce, and to assign duties as appropriate. Point of workforce, and to assign duties as appropriate. Point of order. workforce, and to assign duties as appropriate. Point of order. There appropriate. Point of order. There are appropriate. Point of order. There are two appropriate. Point of order. There are two responsibilities appropriate. Point of order. There are two responsibilities in appropriate. Point of order. There are two responsibilities in the are two responsibilities in the police are two responsibilities in the police that are two responsibilities in the police that are are two responsibilities in the police that are appointed are two responsibilities in the police that are appointed by are two responsibilities in the police that are appointed by the police that are appointed by the Government... police that are appointed by the Government... Order! police that are appointed by the Government... Order! The police that are appointed by the Government... Order! The member police that are appointed by the Government... Order! The member will Government... Order! The member will resume Government... Order! The member will resume his Government... Order! The member will resume his seat. Government... Order! The member will resume his seat. The Government... Order! The member will resume his seat. The member Government... Order! The member will resume his seat. The member cannot resume his seat. The member cannot argue, resume his seat. The member cannot argue, in resume his seat. The member cannot argue, in answer resume his seat. The member cannot argue, in answer to resume his seat. The member cannot argue, in answer to a resume his seat. The member cannot argue, in answer to a question, resume his seat. The member cannot argue, in answer to a question, by argue, in answer to a question, by way argue, in answer to a question, by way of argue, in answer to a question, by way of point argue, in answer to a question, by way of point of argue, in answer to a question, by way of point of order. argue, in answer to a question, by way of point of order. A argue, in answer to a question, by way of point of order. A point argue, in answer to a question, by way of point of order. A point of way of point of order. A point of order, way of point of order. A point of order, the way of point of order. A point of order, the Hon way of point of order. A point of order, the Hon Gerry way of point of order. A point of order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee. way of point of order. A point of order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee. If order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee. If you're order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee. If you're going order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee. If you're going to order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee. If you're going to take order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee. If you're going to take that order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee. If you're going to take that line, order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee. 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Question No. 8, Greg O'Connor: My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Minister of Police: How Minister of Police: How is Minister of Police: How is the Minister of Police: How is the Government Minister of Police: How is the Government tracking How is the Government tracking towards How is the Government tracking towards its How is the Government tracking towards its commitment towards its commitment to towards its commitment to strive towards its commitment to strive towards towards its commitment to strive towards adding to strive towards adding 1,800 to strive towards adding 1,800 new to strive towards adding 1,800 new police to strive towards adding 1,800 new police officers? The The Hon The Hon Stuart The Hon Stuart Nash. The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank you The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank you very The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank you very much, The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank you very much, Mr The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Off The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Off the The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Off the back The Hon Stuart Nash. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Off the back of much, Mr Speaker. Off the back of the much, Mr Speaker. Off the back of the single much, Mr Speaker. Off the back of the single biggest much, Mr Speaker. Off the back of the single biggest investment much, Mr Speaker. Off the back of the single biggest investment ever the single biggest investment ever in the single biggest investment ever in our the single biggest investment ever in our police the single biggest investment ever in our police service the single biggest investment ever in our police service through the single biggest investment ever in our police service through Budget in our police service through Budget 2018, in our police service through Budget 2018, I in our police service through Budget 2018, I am in our police service through Budget 2018, I am pleased in our police service through Budget 2018, I am pleased to in our police service through Budget 2018, I am pleased to report in our police service through Budget 2018, I am pleased to report that 2018, I am pleased to report that 862 2018, I am pleased to report that 862 constables 2018, I am pleased to report that 862 constables have 2018, I am pleased to report that 862 constables have graduated 2018, I am pleased to report that 862 constables have graduated from 862 constables have graduated from the 862 constables have graduated from the Royal 862 constables have graduated from the Royal NZ 862 constables have graduated from the Royal NZ Police 862 constables have graduated from the Royal NZ Police College 862 constables have graduated from the Royal NZ Police College since 862 constables have graduated from the Royal NZ Police College since we the Royal NZ Police College since we took the Royal NZ Police College since we took office. the Royal NZ Police College since we took office. Next the Royal NZ Police College since we took office. Next week, the Royal NZ Police College since we took office. Next week, Mr the Royal NZ Police College since we took office. Next week, Mr Speaker, took office. Next week, Mr Speaker, we took office. Next week, Mr Speaker, we are took office. Next week, Mr Speaker, we are expecting took office. Next week, Mr Speaker, we are expecting an took office. Next week, Mr Speaker, we are expecting an additional took office. Next week, Mr Speaker, we are expecting an additional 80 we are expecting an additional 80 recruits we are expecting an additional 80 recruits to we are expecting an additional 80 recruits to graduate. we are expecting an additional 80 recruits to graduate. That we are expecting an additional 80 recruits to graduate. That takes we are expecting an additional 80 recruits to graduate. That takes our recruits to graduate. That takes our total recruits to graduate. That takes our total number recruits to graduate. That takes our total number to recruits to graduate. That takes our total number to 942 recruits to graduate. That takes our total number to 942 new recruits to graduate. That takes our total number to 942 new constables. total number to 942 new constables. This total number to 942 new constables. This is total number to 942 new constables. This is the total number to 942 new constables. This is the most total number to 942 new constables. This is the most ever total number to 942 new constables. This is the most ever achieved total number to 942 new constables. This is the most ever achieved by total number to 942 new constables. This is the most ever achieved by NZ This is the most ever achieved by NZ Police. This is the most ever achieved by NZ Police. This This is the most ever achieved by NZ Police. This Government This is the most ever achieved by NZ Police. This Government has This is the most ever achieved by NZ Police. This Government has achieved Police. This Government has achieved a Police. This Government has achieved a 325 Police. This Government has achieved a 325 full-time-equivalent Police. This Government has achieved a 325 full-time-equivalent growth Police. This Government has achieved a 325 full-time-equivalent growth in a 325 full-time-equivalent growth in the a 325 full-time-equivalent growth in the last a 325 full-time-equivalent growth in the last year a 325 full-time-equivalent growth in the last year of a 325 full-time-equivalent growth in the last year of the a 325 full-time-equivalent growth in the last year of the service a 325 full-time-equivalent growth in the last year of the service that the last year of the service that was the last year of the service that was under-funded the last year of the service that was under-funded and was under-funded and under-resourced. was under-funded and under-resourced. Mr was under-funded and under-resourced. Mr Speaker, was under-funded and under-resourced. 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Mr Speaker, for the first time in our nation's history, first time in our nation's history, there first time in our nation's history, there are first time in our nation's history, there are now first time in our nation's history, there are now over first time in our nation's history, there are now over 9,000 first time in our nation's history, there are now over 9,000 sworn there are now over 9,000 sworn officers there are now over 9,000 sworn officers out there are now over 9,000 sworn officers out there there are now over 9,000 sworn officers out there keeping there are now over 9,000 sworn officers out there keeping our officers out there keeping our communities officers out there keeping our communities safe officers out there keeping our communities safe and officers out there keeping our communities safe and preventing communities safe and preventing crime. communities safe and preventing crime. <INTERRUPTION> crime. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary crime. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary question: crime. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary question: What crime. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary question: What is crime. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary question: What is the Supplementary question: What is the Minister Supplementary question: What is the Minister doing Supplementary question: What is the Minister doing to Supplementary question: What is the Minister doing to address Supplementary question: What is the Minister doing to address any Minister doing to address any concerns Minister doing to address any concerns about Minister doing to address any concerns about the Minister doing to address any concerns about the standard Minister doing to address any concerns about the standard and concerns about the standard and diversity concerns about the standard and diversity of concerns about the standard and diversity of recruits? concerns about the standard and diversity of recruits? Mr concerns about the standard and diversity of recruits? Mr Speaker, diversity of recruits? Mr Speaker, in diversity of recruits? Mr Speaker, in the diversity of recruits? Mr Speaker, in the last diversity of recruits? Mr Speaker, in the last year, diversity of recruits? Mr Speaker, in the last year, based diversity of recruits? Mr Speaker, in the last year, based on diversity of recruits? 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So not all of these applications or applicants will challenging. So not all of these applications or applicants will meet applications or applicants will meet the applications or applicants will meet the threshold, applications or applicants will meet the threshold, but applications or applicants will meet the threshold, but the applications or applicants will meet the threshold, but the standard applications or applicants will meet the threshold, but the standard is the threshold, but the standard is not the threshold, but the standard is not dropping. the threshold, but the standard is not dropping. 231 the threshold, but the standard is not dropping. 231 women the threshold, but the standard is not dropping. 231 women graduated not dropping. 231 women graduated from not dropping. 231 women graduated from the not dropping. 231 women graduated from the Royal not dropping. 231 women graduated from the Royal NZ not dropping. 231 women graduated from the Royal NZ Police not dropping. 231 women graduated from the Royal NZ Police College from the Royal NZ Police College during from the Royal NZ Police College during 2017/18, from the Royal NZ Police College during 2017/18, making from the Royal NZ Police College during 2017/18, making up from the Royal NZ Police College during 2017/18, making up 36% from the Royal NZ Police College during 2017/18, making up 36% of from the Royal NZ Police College during 2017/18, making up 36% of all during 2017/18, making up 36% of all graduates. during 2017/18, making up 36% of all graduates. 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This was the best year of female recruitment in both numbers female recruitment in both numbers and female recruitment in both numbers and proportion female recruitment in both numbers and proportion that female recruitment in both numbers and proportion that Police female recruitment in both numbers and proportion that Police has female recruitment in both numbers and proportion that Police has ever and proportion that Police has ever achieved and proportion that Police has ever achieved and, and proportion that Police has ever achieved and, the and proportion that Police has ever achieved and, the representation and proportion that Police has ever achieved and, the representation of achieved and, the representation of Maori, achieved and, the representation of Maori, Pasifika achieved and, the representation of Maori, Pasifika and achieved and, the representation of Maori, Pasifika and Asian Maori, Pasifika and Asian ethnicities Maori, Pasifika and Asian ethnicities in Maori, Pasifika and Asian ethnicities in the Maori, Pasifika and Asian ethnicities in the constabulary ethnicities in the constabulary workforce ethnicities in the constabulary workforce is ethnicities in the constabulary workforce is continuing ethnicities in the constabulary workforce is continuing to ethnicities in the constabulary workforce is continuing to grow ethnicities in the constabulary workforce is continuing to grow and workforce is continuing to grow and better workforce is continuing to grow and better reflect workforce is continuing to grow and better reflect New workforce is continuing to grow and better reflect New Zealand better reflect New Zealand communities. better reflect New Zealand communities. Supplementary: better reflect New Zealand communities. Supplementary: What communities. Supplementary: What innovative communities. Supplementary: What innovative recruitment communities. Supplementary: What innovative recruitment methods communities. Supplementary: What innovative recruitment methods is innovative recruitment methods is the innovative recruitment methods is the Government innovative recruitment methods is the Government supporting innovative recruitment methods is the Government supporting to innovative recruitment methods is the Government supporting to help the Government supporting to help add the Government supporting to help add 1,800 the Government supporting to help add 1,800 new the Government supporting to help add 1,800 new police the Government supporting to help add 1,800 new police officers? the Government supporting to help add 1,800 new police officers? I add 1,800 new police officers? I congratulate add 1,800 new police officers? 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Question No. 9, Jonathan NZ Police Service. Question No. 9, Jonathan Young. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Energy My question is to the Minister of Energy and My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Minister of Energy and Resources: Does Minister of Energy and Resources: Does she Minister of Energy and Resources: Does she stand Minister of Energy and Resources: Does she stand by Does she stand by all Does she stand by all her Does she stand by all her statements Does she stand by all her statements and Does she stand by all her statements and actions all her statements and actions in all her statements and actions in relation all her statements and actions in relation to all her statements and actions in relation to the all her statements and actions in relation to the energy in relation to the energy and in relation to the energy and resources in relation to the energy and resources portfolio? Yes. Yes. Is Yes. Is the Yes. Is the Minister Yes. Is the Minister aware Yes. Is the Minister aware that Yes. Is the Minister aware that six Yes. Is the Minister aware that six terawatts Yes. Is the Minister aware that six terawatts of Yes. Is the Minister aware that six terawatts of energy Yes. Is the Minister aware that six terawatts of energy is Yes. Is the Minister aware that six terawatts of energy is enough Yes. Is the Minister aware that six terawatts of energy is enough to terawatts of energy is enough to power terawatts of energy is enough to power 60 terawatts of energy is enough to power 60 billion terawatts of energy is enough to power 60 billion 100-watt terawatts of energy is enough to power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs terawatts of energy is enough to power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs at power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs at the power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs at the same power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs at the same time power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs at the same time - power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs at the same time - over power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs at the same time - over five power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs at the same time - over five times power 60 billion 100-watt bulbs at the same time - over five times as the same time - over five times as many the same time - over five times as many light the same time - over five times as many light bulbs the same time - over five times as many light bulbs are the same time - over five times as many light bulbs are in the same time - over five times as many light bulbs are in use the same time - over five times as many light bulbs are in use on the same time - over five times as many light bulbs are in use on the many light bulbs are in use on the whole many light bulbs are in use on the whole planet? many light bulbs are in use on the whole planet? 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And does she stand by her statement yesterday that New her statement yesterday that New Zealand her statement yesterday that New Zealand produces her statement yesterday that New Zealand produces six her statement yesterday that New Zealand produces six terawatts her statement yesterday that New Zealand produces six terawatts of Zealand produces six terawatts of surplus Zealand produces six terawatts of surplus energy Zealand produces six terawatts of surplus energy every Zealand produces six terawatts of surplus energy every summer? surplus energy every summer? <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Mr <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, what <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, what the <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, what the member <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, what the member fails <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, what the member fails to Mr Speaker, what the member fails to understand... 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We also saw strong employment growth Auckland, sir, and Wellington. 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I'm on record as saying we need to do more to bring the rates need to do more to bring the rates of need to do more to bring the rates of Maori need to do more to bring the rates of Maori employment need to do more to bring the rates of Maori employment closer need to do more to bring the rates of Maori employment closer to need to do more to bring the rates of Maori employment closer to those of Maori employment closer to those enjoyed of Maori employment closer to those enjoyed by of Maori employment closer to those enjoyed by the of Maori employment closer to those enjoyed by the general of Maori employment closer to those enjoyed by the general population. enjoyed by the general population. While enjoyed by the general population. While I'm enjoyed by the general population. While I'm thrilled enjoyed by the general population. While I'm thrilled to enjoyed by the general population. While I'm thrilled to see enjoyed by the general population. 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I'll continue to ensure that all New Zealanders to ensure that all New Zealanders have to ensure that all New Zealanders have equal to ensure that all New Zealanders have equal access to ensure that all New Zealanders have equal access to to ensure that all New Zealanders have equal access to real to ensure that all New Zealanders have equal access to real jobs to ensure that all New Zealanders have equal access to real jobs with have equal access to real jobs with real have equal access to real jobs with real incomes, have equal access to real jobs with real incomes, programmes have equal access to real jobs with real incomes, programmes such have equal access to real jobs with real incomes, programmes such as real incomes, programmes such as mana real incomes, programmes such as mana in real incomes, programmes such as mana in mahi real incomes, programmes such as mana in mahi are real incomes, programmes such as mana in mahi are vital real incomes, programmes such as mana in mahi are vital to real incomes, programmes such as mana in mahi are vital to achieving mana in mahi are vital to achieving this mana in mahi are vital to achieving this goal. mana in mahi are vital to achieving this goal. Why mana in mahi are vital to achieving this goal. Why was mana in mahi are vital to achieving this goal. Why was yesterday's this goal. Why was yesterday's Household this goal. Why was yesterday's Household Labour this goal. Why was yesterday's Household Labour Force this goal. Why was yesterday's Household Labour Force Survey Household Labour Force Survey significant? Household Labour Force Survey significant? What Household Labour Force Survey significant? What is Household Labour Force Survey significant? What is significant significant? What is significant about significant? What is significant about yesterday's significant? What is significant about yesterday's announcement significant? 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And more than 29,000 New Zealanders now in employment. And there more than 29,000 New Zealanders now in employment. And there are more than 29,000 New Zealanders now in employment. And there are over in employment. And there are over 2.66 in employment. And there are over 2.66 million in employment. And there are over 2.66 million people in employment. And there are over 2.66 million people in in employment. And there are over 2.66 million people in paid 2.66 million people in paid employment. 2.66 million people in paid employment. We're 2.66 million people in paid employment. We're focusing 2.66 million people in paid employment. We're focusing on employment. We're focusing on increasing employment. We're focusing on increasing the employment. We're focusing on increasing the participation employment. We're focusing on increasing the participation rates increasing the participation rates in increasing the participation rates in employment, increasing the participation rates in employment, sir, increasing the participation rates in employment, sir, for increasing the participation rates in employment, sir, for Maori, in employment, sir, for Maori, Pasifika, in employment, sir, for Maori, Pasifika, women, in employment, sir, for Maori, Pasifika, women, and in employment, sir, for Maori, Pasifika, women, and people in employment, sir, for Maori, Pasifika, women, and people with Pasifika, women, and people with disabilities. Pasifika, women, and people with disabilities. And Pasifika, women, and people with disabilities. And we're Pasifika, women, and people with disabilities. And we're making Pasifika, women, and people with disabilities. And we're making great disabilities. And we're making great headway disabilities. And we're making great headway in disabilities. And we're making great headway in all disabilities. And we're making great headway in all of disabilities. And we're making great headway in all of those disabilities. And we're making great headway in all of those areas. disabilities. And we're making great headway in all of those areas. But headway in all of those areas. But significantly, headway in all of those areas. But significantly, Mr headway in all of those areas. But significantly, Mr Speaker, headway in all of those areas. But significantly, Mr Speaker, in headway in all of those areas. But significantly, Mr Speaker, in our significantly, Mr Speaker, in our drive significantly, Mr Speaker, in our drive to significantly, Mr Speaker, in our drive to lift significantly, Mr Speaker, in our drive to lift children significantly, Mr Speaker, in our drive to lift children out significantly, Mr Speaker, in our drive to lift children out of drive to lift children out of poverty, drive to lift children out of poverty, employment drive to lift children out of poverty, employment is drive to lift children out of poverty, employment is a drive to lift children out of poverty, employment is a key drive to lift children out of poverty, employment is a key factor poverty, employment is a key factor to poverty, employment is a key factor to that poverty, employment is a key factor to that success, poverty, employment is a key factor to that success, and poverty, employment is a key factor to that success, and yesterday's to that success, and yesterday's survey to that success, and yesterday's survey release to that success, and yesterday's survey release is to that success, and yesterday's survey release is a to that success, and yesterday's survey release is a really to that success, and yesterday's survey release is a really positive survey release is a really positive start. 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The The Hon The Hon Iain The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Thank The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Thank you, The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Thank you, Mr The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Thank you, Mr Speaker. MB The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Thank you, Mr Speaker. MB advises The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Thank you, Mr Speaker. MB advises me The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Thank you, Mr Speaker. MB advises me that, you, Mr Speaker. MB advises me that, so you, Mr Speaker. MB advises me that, so far you, Mr Speaker. MB advises me that, so far in you, Mr Speaker. MB advises me that, so far in 2018, you, Mr Speaker. MB advises me that, so far in 2018, there you, Mr Speaker. MB advises me that, so far in 2018, there have you, Mr Speaker. MB advises me that, so far in 2018, there have been so far in 2018, there have been 7,485 so far in 2018, there have been 7,485 employees so far in 2018, there have been 7,485 employees reported so far in 2018, there have been 7,485 employees reported to so far in 2018, there have been 7,485 employees reported to have 7,485 employees reported to have gone 7,485 employees reported to have gone on 7,485 employees reported to have gone on strike. 7,485 employees reported to have gone on strike. The 7,485 employees reported to have gone on strike. The sectors 7,485 employees reported to have gone on strike. The sectors where gone on strike. The sectors where there gone on strike. The sectors where there is gone on strike. The sectors where there is industrial gone on strike. The sectors where there is industrial action gone on strike. The sectors where there is industrial action include there is industrial action include education, there is industrial action include education, health, there is industrial action include education, health, and there is industrial action include education, health, and the there is industrial action include education, health, and the public education, health, and the public service education, health, and the public service - education, health, and the public service - sectors education, health, and the public service - sectors that education, health, and the public service - sectors that were service - sectors that were chronically service - sectors that were chronically under-funded service - sectors that were chronically under-funded by service - sectors that were chronically under-funded by the chronically under-funded by the National-led chronically under-funded by the National-led government chronically under-funded by the National-led government for chronically under-funded by the National-led government for nine National-led government for nine long National-led government for nine long years. National-led government for nine long years. Is National-led government for nine long years. Is he National-led government for nine long years. Is he aware National-led government for nine long years. Is he aware that National-led government for nine long years. Is he aware that there long years. Is he aware that there have long years. Is he aware that there have been long years. Is he aware that there have been more long years. Is he aware that there have been more people long years. Is he aware that there have been more people go long years. Is he aware that there have been more people go on long years. Is he aware that there have been more people go on strike have been more people go on strike this have been more people go on strike this year have been more people go on strike this year than have been more people go on strike this year than in have been more people go on strike this year than in any have been more people go on strike this year than in any year have been more people go on strike this year than in any year since have been more people go on strike this year than in any year since the this year than in any year since the 1980s? this year than in any year since the 1980s? Why this year than in any year since the 1980s? Why does this year than in any year since the 1980s? Why does he this year than in any year since the 1980s? Why does he think this year than in any year since the 1980s? Why does he think that, this year than in any year since the 1980s? Why does he think that, after 1980s? Why does he think that, after years 1980s? Why does he think that, after years of 1980s? Why does he think that, after years of a 1980s? Why does he think that, after years of a stable 1980s? Why does he think that, after years of a stable industrial years of a stable industrial relations years of a stable industrial relations environment, years of a stable industrial relations environment, there years of a stable industrial relations environment, there has relations environment, there has suddenly relations environment, there has suddenly been relations environment, there has suddenly been such relations environment, there has suddenly been such a relations environment, there has suddenly been such a surge relations environment, there has suddenly been such a surge in suddenly been such a surge in strikes suddenly been such a surge in strikes across suddenly been such a surge in strikes across almost suddenly been such a surge in strikes across almost every suddenly been such a surge in strikes across almost every sector strikes across almost every sector of strikes across almost every sector of the strikes across almost every sector of the economy? strikes across almost every sector of the economy? 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