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Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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Oh, Mr Speaker, I am the minister, so, all though I am the minister, so, all though I might am the minister, so, all though I might not am the minister, so, all though I might not draft am the minister, so, all though I might not draft the am the minister, so, all though I might not draft the legislation, am the minister, so, all though I might not draft the legislation, I might not draft the legislation, I take might not draft the legislation, I take responsibility. might not draft the legislation, I take responsibility. Supplementary. take responsibility. Supplementary. Why take responsibility. Supplementary. Why will take responsibility. Supplementary. Why will taxpayers take responsibility. Supplementary. Why will taxpayers pay take responsibility. Supplementary. Why will taxpayers pay the take responsibility. Supplementary. 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Mr Speaker, with regards to those in residential regards to those in residential care, regards to those in residential care, there regards to those in residential care, there is regards to those in residential care, there is about regards to those in residential care, there is about 460 regards to those in residential care, there is about 460 patients care, there is about 460 patients who care, there is about 460 patients who are care, there is about 460 patients who are in care, there is about 460 patients who are in residential care, there is about 460 patients who are in residential care care, there is about 460 patients who are in residential care where care, there is about 460 patients who are in residential care where it who are in residential care where it is who are in residential care where it is very who are in residential care where it is very difficult who are in residential care where it is very difficult to who are in residential care where it is very difficult to determine is very difficult to determine whether is very difficult to determine whether or is very difficult to determine whether or not is very difficult to determine whether or not they is very difficult to determine whether or not they are is very difficult to determine whether or not they are getting is very difficult to determine whether or not they are getting the whether or not they are getting the subsidy whether or not they are getting the subsidy or whether or not they are getting the subsidy or they whether or not they are getting the subsidy or they are whether or not they are getting the subsidy or they are not whether or not they are getting the subsidy or they are not getting whether or not they are getting the subsidy or they are not getting the subsidy or they are not getting the subsidy, subsidy or they are not getting the subsidy, Mr subsidy or they are not getting the subsidy, Mr Speaker, subsidy or they are not getting the subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, subsidy or they are not getting the subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in subsidy or they are not getting the subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in fact, subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in fact, the subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in fact, the cost subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in fact, the cost of subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in fact, the cost of trying subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in fact, the cost of trying to subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in fact, the cost of trying to work subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in fact, the cost of trying to work that subsidy, Mr Speaker, and, in fact, the cost of trying to work that out the cost of trying to work that out would the cost of trying to work that out would cost the cost of trying to work that out would cost more the cost of trying to work that out would cost more than the cost of trying to work that out would cost more than trying the cost of trying to work that out would cost more than trying to would cost more than trying to rectify would cost more than trying to rectify the would cost more than trying to rectify the situation would cost more than trying to rectify the situation for would cost more than trying to rectify the situation for the would cost more than trying to rectify the situation for the 460 rectify the situation for the 460 people, rectify the situation for the 460 people, so rectify the situation for the 460 people, so the rectify the situation for the 460 people, so the ministry rectify the situation for the 460 people, so the ministry has rectify the situation for the 460 people, so the ministry has decided people, so the ministry has decided that people, so the ministry has decided that they people, so the ministry has decided that they will people, so the ministry has decided that they will continue people, so the ministry has decided that they will continue to people, so the ministry has decided that they will continue to allow that they will continue to allow that that they will continue to allow that to that they will continue to allow that to happen. that they will continue to allow that to happen. 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So, the Minister - so, is the Minister the Minister - so, is the Minister saying the Minister - so, is the Minister saying there the Minister - so, is the Minister saying there are the Minister - so, is the Minister saying there are still the Minister - so, is the Minister saying there are still a the Minister - so, is the Minister saying there are still a large the Minister - so, is the Minister saying there are still a large group saying there are still a large group of saying there are still a large group of people saying there are still a large group of people who saying there are still a large group of people who taxpayers saying there are still a large group of people who taxpayers will saying there are still a large group of people who taxpayers will fund of people who taxpayers will fund their of people who taxpayers will fund their energy of people who taxpayers will fund their energy costs of people who taxpayers will fund their energy costs twice of people who taxpayers will fund their energy costs twice instead of people who taxpayers will fund their energy costs twice instead of their energy costs twice instead of fixing their energy costs twice instead of fixing the their energy costs twice instead of fixing the problem their energy costs twice instead of fixing the problem that their energy costs twice instead of fixing the problem that already their energy costs twice instead of fixing the problem that already has fixing the problem that already has been fixing the problem that already has been identified? fixing the problem that already has been identified? 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Mr Speaker, this is an issue that has been brought to my an issue that has been brought to my attention an issue that has been brought to my attention and an issue that has been brought to my attention and it an issue that has been brought to my attention and it is an issue that has been brought to my attention and it is something an issue that has been brought to my attention and it is something that attention and it is something that we attention and it is something that we are attention and it is something that we are discussing. attention and it is something that we are discussing. It attention and it is something that we are discussing. It is attention and it is something that we are discussing. It is not attention and it is something that we are discussing. It is not a attention and it is something that we are discussing. It is not a large we are discussing. It is not a large group we are discussing. It is not a large group of we are discussing. 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Why did the minister wait so long to Supplementary. Why did the minister wait so long to bring Supplementary. Why did the minister wait so long to bring legislation Supplementary. Why did the minister wait so long to bring legislation to wait so long to bring legislation to the wait so long to bring legislation to the House wait so long to bring legislation to the House when wait so long to bring legislation to the House when she wait so long to bring legislation to the House when she was wait so long to bring legislation to the House when she was alerted wait so long to bring legislation to the House when she was alerted in the House when she was alerted in June the House when she was alerted in June 2018 the House when she was alerted in June 2018 and the House when she was alerted in June 2018 and why the House when she was alerted in June 2018 and why does the House when she was alerted in June 2018 and why does she the House when she was alerted in June 2018 and why does she think the House when she was alerted in June 2018 and why does she think it June 2018 and why does she think it is June 2018 and why does she think it is right June 2018 and why does she think it is right this June 2018 and why does she think it is right this the June 2018 and why does she think it is right this the time June 2018 and why does she think it is right this the time when, is right this the time when, colourly, is right this the time when, colourly, there is right this the time when, colourly, there are is right this the time when, colourly, there are issues is right this the time when, colourly, there are issues that colourly, there are issues that she's colourly, there are issues that she's just colourly, there are issues that she's just mentioned? colourly, there are issues that she's just mentioned? Mr colourly, there are issues that she's just mentioned? Mr Speaker, colourly, there are issues that she's just mentioned? Mr Speaker, as she's just mentioned? Mr Speaker, as I she's just mentioned? Mr Speaker, as I said she's just mentioned? Mr Speaker, as I said earlier, she's just mentioned? Mr Speaker, as I said earlier, mistakes she's just mentioned? Mr Speaker, as I said earlier, mistakes are she's just mentioned? Mr Speaker, as I said earlier, mistakes are made she's just mentioned? Mr Speaker, as I said earlier, mistakes are made in I said earlier, mistakes are made in the I said earlier, mistakes are made in the drafting I said earlier, mistakes are made in the drafting of I said earlier, mistakes are made in the drafting of legislation I said earlier, mistakes are made in the drafting of legislation that the drafting of legislation that take the drafting of legislation that take a the drafting of legislation that take a much the drafting of legislation that take a much - the drafting of legislation that take a much - that the drafting of legislation that take a much - that take the drafting of legislation that take a much - that take a the drafting of legislation that take a much - that take a long the drafting of legislation that take a much - that take a long time take a much - that take a long time to take a much - that take a long time to pick take a much - that take a long time to pick up. take a much - that take a long time to pick up. This take a much - that take a long time to pick up. This was take a much - that take a long time to pick up. This was 16 take a much - that take a long time to pick up. This was 16 months. take a much - that take a long time to pick up. This was 16 months. It to pick up. This was 16 months. It will to pick up. This was 16 months. It will be to pick up. This was 16 months. It will be recollectified to pick up. This was 16 months. It will be recollectified before to pick up. This was 16 months. 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Question we will be acting lawfully before it is paid out this year. Question No. is paid out this year. Question No. 3, is paid out this year. Question No. 3, Tamati is paid out this year. Question No. 3, Tamati Coffey. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: My question is to the Minister of Finance: What My question is to the Minister of Finance: What recent My question is to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports My question is to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has My question is to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he Finance: What recent reports has he seen Finance: What recent reports has he seen on Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, yesterday Mr Speaker, yesterday ANZ Mr Speaker, yesterday ANZ released Mr Speaker, yesterday ANZ released its Mr Speaker, yesterday ANZ released its commodity Mr Speaker, yesterday ANZ released its commodity price Mr Speaker, yesterday ANZ released its commodity price index Mr Speaker, yesterday ANZ released its commodity price index showing its commodity price index showing that its commodity price index showing that this its commodity price index showing that this year its commodity price index showing that this year as its commodity price index showing that this year as upward its commodity price index showing that this year as upward trend its commodity price index showing that this year as upward trend in that this year as upward trend in prices that this year as upward trend in prices has that this year as upward trend in prices has continued that this year as upward trend in prices has continued through that this year as upward trend in prices has continued through March. prices has continued through March. The prices has continued through March. The ANZ prices has continued through March. The ANZ commodity prices has continued through March. The ANZ commodity price prices has continued through March. The ANZ commodity price index prices has continued through March. The ANZ commodity price index pushed The ANZ commodity price index pushed up The ANZ commodity price index pushed up 1.4% The ANZ commodity price index pushed up 1.4% in The ANZ commodity price index pushed up 1.4% in the The ANZ commodity price index pushed up 1.4% in the month The ANZ commodity price index pushed up 1.4% in the month with The ANZ commodity price index pushed up 1.4% in the month with strong up 1.4% in the month with strong prices up 1.4% in the month with strong prices across up 1.4% in the month with strong prices across sectors. up 1.4% in the month with strong prices across sectors. Meat up 1.4% in the month with strong prices across sectors. Meat and prices across sectors. Meat and fibber prices across sectors. Meat and fibber prices prices across sectors. Meat and fibber prices 1.1% prices across sectors. Meat and fibber prices 1.1% and prices across sectors. Meat and fibber prices 1.1% and forestry fibber prices 1.1% and forestry prices fibber prices 1.1% and forestry prices lifted fibber prices 1.1% and forestry prices lifted 0.4%. fibber prices 1.1% and forestry prices lifted 0.4%. The fibber prices 1.1% and forestry prices lifted 0.4%. The stable prices lifted 0.4%. The stable exchange prices lifted 0.4%. The stable exchange rate prices lifted 0.4%. The stable exchange rate meant prices lifted 0.4%. The stable exchange rate meant that prices lifted 0.4%. The stable exchange rate meant that the prices lifted 0.4%. The stable exchange rate meant that the now exchange rate meant that the now dollar exchange rate meant that the now dollar index exchange rate meant that the now dollar index rose exchange rate meant that the now dollar index rose by exchange rate meant that the now dollar index rose by 1.4% exchange rate meant that the now dollar index rose by 1.4% and exchange rate meant that the now dollar index rose by 1.4% and ANZ dollar index rose by 1.4% and ANZ expects dollar index rose by 1.4% and ANZ expects further dollar index rose by 1.4% and ANZ expects further price dollar index rose by 1.4% and ANZ expects further price rises dollar index rose by 1.4% and ANZ expects further price rises for dollar index rose by 1.4% and ANZ expects further price rises for the expects further price rises for the export expects further price rises for the export sectors expects further price rises for the export sectors in expects further price rises for the export sectors in the expects further price rises for the export sectors in the coming expects further price rises for the export sectors in the coming months. export sectors in the coming months. 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The farmers lifted on the back of rising economy prices. The number farmers lifted on the back of rising economy prices. The number of economy prices. The number of farmers economy prices. The number of farmers expecting economy prices. The number of farmers expecting agricultural farmers expecting agricultural economic farmers expecting agricultural farmers farmers expecting agricultural economic conditions to farmers expecting agricultural economic conditions to improve farmers expecting agricultural economic conditions to improve rose economic conditions to improve rose to economic conditions to improve rose to 16%. economic conditions to improve rose to 16%. The economic conditions to improve rose to 16%. The survey economic conditions to improve rose to 16%. The survey found economic conditions to improve rose to 16%. The survey found farmers' to 16%. The survey found farmers' expectations to 16%. The survey found farmers' expectations for to 16%. The survey found farmers' expectations for their to 16%. The survey found farmers' expectations for their own to 16%. The survey found farmers' expectations for their own farms' expectations for their own farms' performance expectations for their own farms' performance was expectations for their own farms' performance was at expectations for their own farms' performance was at this expectations for their own farms' performance was at this quarter, performance was at this quarter, lifting performance was at this quarter, lifting to performance was at this quarter, lifting to a performance was at this quarter, lifting to a net performance was at this quarter, lifting to a net plus performance was at this quarter, lifting to a net plus 11% performance was at this quarter, lifting to a net plus 11% expecting lifting to a net plus 11% expecting business lifting to a net plus 11% expecting business to lifting to a net plus 11% expecting business to improve lifting to a net plus 11% expecting business to improve over lifting to a net plus 11% expecting business to improve over the lifting to a net plus 11% expecting business to improve over the next lifting to a net plus 11% expecting business to improve over the next 12 business to improve over the next 12 months. business to improve over the next 12 months. Mr business to improve over the next 12 months. Mr Speaker, business to improve over the next 12 months. Mr Speaker, it business to improve over the next 12 months. Mr Speaker, it is business to improve over the next 12 months. Mr Speaker, it is important months. Mr Speaker, it is important to months. Mr Speaker, it is important to acknowledge months. Mr Speaker, it is important to acknowledge that months. Mr Speaker, it is important to acknowledge that for months. Mr Speaker, it is important to acknowledge that for some to acknowledge that for some farmers, to acknowledge that for some farmers, their to acknowledge that for some farmers, their confidence to acknowledge that for some farmers, their confidence is to acknowledge that for some farmers, their confidence is lower farmers, their confidence is lower than farmers, their confidence is lower than the farmers, their confidence is lower than the historical farmers, their confidence is lower than the historical average. farmers, their confidence is lower than the historical average. Sheep than the historical average. Sheep and than the historical average. Sheep and beef than the historical average. Sheep and beef farmers, than the historical average. Sheep and beef farmers, for than the historical average. Sheep and beef farmers, for instances than the historical average. 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The government is working economy. The government is working hard economy. The government is working hard to economy. The government is working hard to ensure economy. The government is working hard to ensure stability economy. The government is working hard to ensure stability and hard to ensure stability and certainty hard to ensure stability and certainty for hard to ensure stability and certainty for exporters hard to ensure stability and certainty for exporters and hard to ensure stability and certainty for exporters and has certainty for exporters and has signed certainty for exporters and has signed regulatory certainty for exporters and has signed regulatory agreements certainty for exporters and has signed regulatory agreements with signed regulatory agreements with the signed regulatory agreements with the UK signed regulatory agreements with the UK and signed regulatory agreements with the UK and is signed regulatory agreements with the UK and is continuing signed regulatory agreements with the UK and is continuing toing? the UK and is continuing toing? Further the UK and is continuing toing? Further FTAs the UK and is continuing toing? Further FTAs to the UK and is continuing toing? 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According to the B NZ, economic performance? According to the B NZ, Business economic performance? According to the B NZ, Business NZ economic performance? According to the B NZ, Business NZ Performance economic performance? 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The seasonally adjusted faster rate in February than in January. The seasonally adjusted PMI January. The seasonally adjusted PMI in January. The seasonally adjusted PMI in February January. The seasonally adjusted PMI in February was January. The seasonally adjusted PMI in February was 53.7%. January. The seasonally adjusted PMI in February was 53.7%. The January. The seasonally adjusted PMI in February was 53.7%. The PMI in February was 53.7%. The PMI reading in February was 53.7%. The PMI reading above in February was 53.7%. The PMI reading above 50 in February was 53.7%. The PMI reading above 50 indicates in February was 53.7%. The PMI reading above 50 indicates that reading above 50 indicates that manufacturing reading above 50 indicates that manufacturing is reading above 50 indicates that manufacturing is generally manufacturing is generally expanding. manufacturing is generally expanding. This manufacturing is generally expanding. This was manufacturing is generally expanding. 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What it is great to be able to pass these savings on to levy payers. What does savings on to levy payers. What does this savings on to levy payers. What does this mean savings on to levy payers. What does this mean for savings on to levy payers. What does this mean for business? savings on to levy payers. What does this mean for business? Well, savings on to levy payers. What does this mean for business? Well, Mr this mean for business? Well, Mr Speaker, this mean for business? Well, Mr Speaker, the this mean for business? Well, Mr Speaker, the reduction this mean for business? Well, Mr Speaker, the reduction in this mean for business? 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What will put that money to good productivious. What are will put that money to good productivious. What are other productivious. What are other decisions productivious. What are other decisions has productivious. What are other decisions has the productivious. What are other decisions has the government productivious. What are other decisions has the government made decisions has the government made regarding decisions has the government made regarding levy decisions has the government made regarding levy rates? decisions has the government made regarding levy rates? Mr decisions has the government made regarding levy rates? Mr Speaker, regarding levy rates? Mr Speaker, the regarding levy rates? Mr Speaker, the earnest regarding levy rates? Mr Speaker, the earnest levy regarding levy rates? Mr Speaker, the earnest levy remains regarding levy rates? Mr Speaker, the earnest levy remains at regarding levy rates? Mr Speaker, the earnest levy remains at the the earnest levy remains at the current the earnest levy remains at the current level the earnest levy remains at the current level of the earnest levy remains at the current level of $1.21 the earnest levy remains at the current level of $1.21 per the earnest levy remains at the current level of $1.21 per $100 the earnest levy remains at the current level of $1.21 per $100 of current level of $1.21 per $100 of liable current level of $1.21 per $100 of liable earnings current level of $1.21 per $100 of liable earnings and current level of $1.21 per $100 of liable earnings and the current level of $1.21 per $100 of liable earnings and the motor liable earnings and the motor vehicle liable earnings and the motor vehicle levy liable earnings and the motor vehicle levy at liable earnings and the motor vehicle levy at it liable earnings and the motor vehicle levy at it current liable earnings and the motor vehicle levy at it current level liable earnings and the motor vehicle levy at it current level of vehicle levy at it current level of $113.94 vehicle levy at it current level of $113.94 on vehicle levy at it current level of $113.94 on average vehicle levy at it current level of $113.94 on average per vehicle levy at it current level of $113.94 on average per annum. vehicle levy at it current level of $113.94 on average per annum. 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Zealanders why, for the most majority, the levy is going up? I majority, the levy is going up? I hard majority, the levy is going up? I hard the majority, the levy is going up? I hard the minister majority, the levy is going up? I hard the minister respond.