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Amen. The The Honourable The Honourable Chris The Honourable Chris Hipkins. The Honourable Chris Hipkins. Mr The Honourable Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, The Honourable Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, today The Honourable Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, today the The Honourable Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, today the house The Honourable Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, today the house adjourns Speaker, today the house adjourns until Speaker, today the house adjourns until 30 Speaker, today the house adjourns until 30 April. Speaker, today the house adjourns until 30 April. Legislation until 30 April. Legislation considered until 30 April. Legislation considered in until 30 April. Legislation considered in that until 30 April. Legislation considered in that week until 30 April. Legislation considered in that week include until 30 April. 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The The Honourable The Honourable David The Honourable David Parker. The Honourable David Parker. On The Honourable David Parker. On behalf The Honourable David Parker. On behalf of The Honourable David Parker. On behalf of the The Honourable David Parker. On behalf of the Minister The Honourable David Parker. On behalf of the Minister of The Honourable David Parker. On behalf of the Minister of energy The Honourable David Parker. On behalf of the Minister of energy and behalf of the Minister of energy and resources, behalf of the Minister of energy and resources, the behalf of the Minister of energy and resources, the 2018 behalf of the Minister of energy and resources, the 2018 approved behalf of the Minister of energy and resources, the 2018 approved changes resources, the 2018 approved changes to resources, the 2018 approved changes to some resources, the 2018 approved changes to some of resources, the 2018 approved changes to some of the resources, the 2018 approved changes to some of the conditions resources, the 2018 approved changes to some of the conditions of resources, the 2018 approved changes to some of the conditions of OMV's to some of the conditions of OMV's work to some of the conditions of OMV's work programme to some of the conditions of OMV's work programme for to some of the conditions of OMV's work programme for their to some of the conditions of OMV's work programme for their permit, work programme for their permit, this work programme for their permit, work work programme for their permit, this allowed OMV work programme for their permit, this allowed OMV to work programme for their permit, this allowed OMV to seek work programme for their permit, this allowed OMV to seek more this allowed OMV to seek more information this allowed OMV to seek more information on this allowed OMV to seek more information on the this allowed OMV to seek more information on the underlying information on the underlying geology information on the underlying geology before information on the underlying geology before commencing information on the underlying geology before commencing drilling. geology before commencing drilling. 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We are seeking to grow it around. We are seeking to turn it around. We are seeking to grow the around. We are seeking to grow the economy around. We are seeking to grow the economy so around. We are seeking to grow the economy so that around. We are seeking to grow the economy so that we around. We are seeking to grow the economy so that we can around. We are seeking to grow the economy so that we can better around. We are seeking to grow the economy so that we can better afford economy so that we can better afford first-world economy so that we can better afford first-world drugs. economy so that we can better afford first-world drugs. But economy so that we can better afford first-world drugs. But we economy so that we can better afford first-world drugs. But we can't economy so that we can better afford first-world drugs. But we can't do first-world drugs. But we can't do it first-world drugs. But we can't do it all first-world drugs. But we can't do it all overnight. first-world drugs. But we can't do it all overnight. Look first-world drugs. But we can't do it all overnight. Look at first-world drugs. But we can't do it all overnight. Look at the first-world drugs. But we can't do it all overnight. Look at the last it all overnight. Look at the last nine it all overnight. Look at the last nine years it all overnight. Look at the last nine years of it all overnight. Look at the last nine years of the it all overnight. Look at the last nine years of the National it all overnight. Look at the last nine years of the National Party. nine years of the National Party. They nine years of the National Party. They couldn't nine years of the National Party. They couldn't average nine years of the National Party. They couldn't average even nine years of the National Party. They couldn't average even 1.5% nine years of the National Party. 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Question number three, the Question number three, the Honourable Question number three, the Honourable Judith Question number three, the Honourable Judith Collins. 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The buying-off-the-plan scheme sector houses for KiwiBuild? The buying-off-the-plan scheme is sector houses for KiwiBuild? 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I withdraw apologise. I withdraw and apologise. I withdraw and apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Is I withdraw and apologise. Is he I withdraw and apologise. Is he certain I withdraw and apologise. Is he certain KiwiBuild I withdraw and apologise. Is he certain KiwiBuild is I withdraw and apologise. Is he certain KiwiBuild is allowing Is he certain KiwiBuild is allowing developers Is he certain KiwiBuild is allowing developers to Is he certain KiwiBuild is allowing developers to reduce Is he certain KiwiBuild is allowing developers to reduce profit Is he certain KiwiBuild is allowing developers to reduce profit margin, developers to reduce profit margin, when developers to reduce profit margin, when developers developers to reduce profit margin, when developers such developers to reduce profit margin, when developers such as developers to reduce profit margin, when developers such as Mike developers to reduce profit margin, when developers such as Mike Greer when developers such as Mike Greer Homes when developers such as Mike Greer Homes have when developers such as Mike Greer Homes have two when developers such as Mike Greer Homes have two adentical when developers such as Mike Greer Homes have two adentical attached Homes have two adentical attached town Homes have two adentical attached town houses Homes have two adentical attached town houses for Homes have two adentical attached town houses for sales Homes have two adentical attached town houses for sales in Homes have two adentical attached town houses for sales in Rolleston, town houses for sales in Rolleston, one town houses for sales in Rolleston, one with town houses for sales in Rolleston, one with a town houses for sales in Rolleston, one with a KiwiBuild town houses for sales in Rolleston, one with a KiwiBuild underwrite town houses for sales in Rolleston, one with a KiwiBuild underwrite and one with a KiwiBuild underwrite and one one with a KiwiBuild underwrite and one for one with a KiwiBuild underwrite and one for sale one with a KiwiBuild underwrite and one for sale to one with a KiwiBuild underwrite and one for sale to the one with a KiwiBuild underwrite and one for sale to the general one with a KiwiBuild underwrite and one for sale to the general public one for sale to the general public and one for sale to the general public and both one for sale to the general public and both are one for sale to the general public and both are marketed one for sale to the general public and both are marketed at one for sale to the general public and both are marketed at exactly one for sale to the general public and both are marketed at exactly the and both are marketed at exactly the same and both are marketed at exactly the same price? and both are marketed at exactly the same price? 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That's more than the affordable homes in the home-buyers. That's more than the affordable homes in the last affordable homes in the last government affordable homes in the last government built affordable homes in the last government built -- affordable homes in the last government built -- that affordable homes in the last government built -- that the affordable homes in the last government built -- that the last government built -- that the last government government built -- that the last government built government built -- that the last government built in government built -- that the last government built in nine government built -- that the last government built in nine years. government built -- that the last government built in nine years. Do government built in nine years. Do houses government built in nine years. Do houses underwritten government built in nine years. Do houses underwritten that government built in nine years. Do houses underwritten that have houses underwritten that have already houses underwritten that have already been houses underwritten that have already been offered houses underwritten that have already been offered to houses underwritten that have already been offered to the houses underwritten that have already been offered to the market already been offered to the market prior already been offered to the market prior to already been offered to the market prior to entering already been offered to the market prior to entering the already been offered to the market prior to entering the KiwiBuild prior to entering the KiwiBuild programme prior to entering the KiwiBuild programme meet prior to entering the KiwiBuild programme meet the prior to entering the KiwiBuild programme meet the Cabinet programme meet the Cabinet definition programme meet the Cabinet definition of programme meet the Cabinet definition of a programme meet the Cabinet definition of a KiwiBuild programme meet the Cabinet definition of a KiwiBuild house programme meet the Cabinet definition of a KiwiBuild house as definition of a KiwiBuild house as one definition of a KiwiBuild house as one that definition of a KiwiBuild house as one that is definition of a KiwiBuild house as one that is "offered definition of a KiwiBuild house as one that is "offered for definition of a KiwiBuild house as one that is "offered for sale definition of a KiwiBuild house as one that is "offered for sale in definition of a KiwiBuild house as one that is "offered for sale in the one that is "offered for sale in the first one that is "offered for sale in the first instance one that is "offered for sale in the first instance to one that is "offered for sale in the first instance to an one that is "offered for sale in the first instance to an eligible first instance to an eligible KiwiBuild first instance to an eligible KiwiBuild purchaser"? first instance to an eligible KiwiBuild purchaser"? 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It them is perfectly within the remit that Cabinet signed off. It would them is perfectly within the remit that Cabinet signed off. It would be that Cabinet signed off. It would be silly that Cabinet signed off. It would be silly and that Cabinet signed off. It would be silly and nonsensical that Cabinet signed off. It would be silly and nonsensical to that Cabinet signed off. It would be silly and nonsensical to tell silly and nonsensical to tell developers silly and nonsensical to tell developers to silly and nonsensical to tell developers to stop silly and nonsensical to tell developers to stop building developers to stop building affordable developers to stop building affordable homes developers to stop building affordable homes while developers to stop building affordable homes while we developers to stop building affordable homes while we take developers to stop building affordable homes while we take the affordable homes while we take the time affordable homes while we take the time to affordable homes while we take the time to do affordable homes while we take the time to do the affordable homes while we take the time to do the due affordable homes while we take the time to do the due diligence time to do the due diligence properly time to do the due diligence properly to time to do the due diligence properly to take time to do the due diligence properly to take three, time to do the due diligence properly to take three, six time to do the due diligence properly to take three, six or time to do the due diligence properly to take three, six or nine properly to take three, six or nine months properly to take three, six or nine months to properly to take three, six or nine months to properly properly to take three, six or nine months to properly negotiate properly to take three, six or nine months to properly negotiate a months to properly negotiate a contract. months to properly negotiate a contract. I'm months to properly negotiate a contract. I'm not months to properly negotiate a contract. I'm not going months to properly negotiate a contract. I'm not going to months to properly negotiate a contract. I'm not going to tell contract. I'm not going to tell developers contract. I'm not going to tell developers to contract. I'm not going to tell developers to stop contract. I'm not going to tell developers to stop building developers to stop building affordable developers to stop building affordable homes, developers to stop building affordable homes, because developers to stop building affordable homes, because that developers to stop building affordable homes, because that would affordable homes, because that would be affordable homes, because that would be silly. affordable homes, because that would be silly. Is affordable homes, because that would be silly. Is he affordable homes, because that would be silly. Is he the affordable homes, because that would be silly. Is he the only affordable homes, because that would be silly. Is he the only person affordable homes, because that would be silly. Is he the only person who be silly. Is he the only person who believes be silly. Is he the only person who believes that be silly. Is he the only person who believes that buying be silly. Is he the only person who believes that buying off be silly. Is he the only person who believes that buying off the be silly. Is he the only person who believes that buying off the plan believes that buying off the plan includes believes that buying off the plan includes buying believes that buying off the plan includes buying a believes that buying off the plan includes buying a house believes that buying off the plan includes buying a house that believes that buying off the plan includes buying a house that has includes buying a house that has been includes buying a house that has been built includes buying a house that has been built and includes buying a house that has been built and marketed been built and marketed unsuccessfully been built and marketed unsuccessfully to been built and marketed unsuccessfully to the been built and marketed unsuccessfully to the public? been built and marketed unsuccessfully to the public? No. unsuccessfully to the public? No. Because unsuccessfully to the public? No. Because there's unsuccessfully to the public? No. Because there's a unsuccessfully to the public? No. Because there's a huge unsuccessfully to the public? No. Because there's a huge majority unsuccessfully to the public? No. Because there's a huge majority of Because there's a huge majority of the Because there's a huge majority of the New Because there's a huge majority of the New Zealand Because there's a huge majority of the New Zealand public Because there's a huge majority of the New Zealand public who Because there's a huge majority of the New Zealand public who want Because there's a huge majority of the New Zealand public who want to the New Zealand public who want to see the New Zealand public who want to see affordable the New Zealand public who want to see affordable homes the New Zealand public who want to see affordable homes built, the New Zealand public who want to see affordable homes built, who see affordable homes built, who support see affordable homes built, who support our see affordable homes built, who support our government's see affordable homes built, who support our government's efforts see affordable homes built, who support our government's efforts to support our government's efforts to work support our government's efforts to work with support our government's efforts to work with the support our government's efforts to work with the private support our government's efforts to work with the private sector support our government's efforts to work with the private sector to work with the private sector to build work with the private sector to build affordable work with the private sector to build affordable homes work with the private sector to build affordable homes for work with the private sector to build affordable homes for young build affordable homes for young Kiwi build affordable homes for young Kiwi families. build affordable homes for young Kiwi families. That's build affordable homes for young Kiwi families. That's the build affordable homes for young Kiwi families. That's the basis build affordable homes for young Kiwi families. That's the basis of Kiwi families. That's the basis of our Kiwi families. That's the basis of our policy Kiwi families. That's the basis of our policy and Kiwi families. That's the basis of our policy and that's Kiwi families. That's the basis of our policy and that's what Kiwi families. That's the basis of our policy and that's what we're our policy and that's what we're doing. doing. Question doing. Question number doing. Question number four, doing. Question number four, Paul doing. Question number four, Paul Eagle. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Housing and Urban Development: What Housing and Urban Development: What progress, Housing and Urban Development: What progress, if Housing and Urban Development: What progress, if any, Housing and Urban Development: What progress, if any, has Housing and Urban Development: What progress, if any, has Housing What progress, if any, has Housing New What progress, if any, has Housing New Zealand What progress, if any, has Housing New Zealand made New Zealand made providing New Zealand made providing assistance New Zealand made providing assistance to New Zealand made providing assistance to tenants providing assistance to tenants affected providing assistance to tenants affected by providing assistance to tenants affected by previous providing assistance to tenants affected by previous methamphetamine affected by previous methamphetamine contamination affected by previous methamphetamine contamination policies? Phil Phil Twyford. Phil Twyford. Housing Phil Twyford. Housing New Phil Twyford. Housing New Zealand Phil Twyford. Housing New Zealand advises Phil Twyford. Housing New Zealand advises that Phil Twyford. Housing New Zealand advises that since Phil Twyford. Housing New Zealand advises that since September Phil Twyford. Housing New Zealand advises that since September they've advises that since September they've been advises that since September they've been in advises that since September they've been in contact advises that since September they've been in contact with advises that since September they've been in contact with 900 advises that since September they've been in contact with 900 people advises that since September they've been in contact with 900 people on been in contact with 900 people on this been in contact with 900 people on this issue. been in contact with 900 people on this issue. Of been in contact with 900 people on this issue. Of those, been in contact with 900 people on this issue. Of those, 425 been in contact with 900 people on this issue. Of those, 425 people this issue. Of those, 425 people have this issue. Of those, 425 people have received this issue. Of those, 425 people have received discretionary this issue. Of those, 425 people have received discretionary grants have received discretionary grants averaging have received discretionary grants averaging $7,889. have received discretionary grants averaging $7,889. A have received discretionary grants averaging $7,889. A further have received discretionary grants averaging $7,889. A further 336 averaging $7,889. A further 336 claims averaging $7,889. A further 336 claims for averaging $7,889. A further 336 claims for assistance averaging $7,889. A further 336 claims for assistance due averaging $7,889. A further 336 claims for assistance due to averaging $7,889. A further 336 claims for assistance due to the claims for assistance due to the meth claims for assistance due to the meth contamination claims for assistance due to the meth contamination fiasco claims for assistance due to the meth contamination fiasco are claims for assistance due to the meth contamination fiasco are being meth contamination fiasco are being considered. meth contamination fiasco are being considered. And meth contamination fiasco are being considered. And 33 meth contamination fiasco are being considered. And 33 claims meth contamination fiasco are being considered. And 33 claims have meth contamination fiasco are being considered. And 33 claims have been considered. And 33 claims have been approved considered. And 33 claims have been approved and considered. And 33 claims have been approved and are considered. And 33 claims have been approved and are waiting considered. And 33 claims have been approved and are waiting payment. approved and are waiting payment. Supplementary. approved and are waiting payment. Supplementary. What approved and are waiting payment. Supplementary. What steps approved and are waiting payment. Supplementary. What steps will approved and are waiting payment. Supplementary. What steps will the Supplementary. What steps will the Government Supplementary. What steps will the Government take Supplementary. What steps will the Government take to Supplementary. What steps will the Government take to ensure Supplementary. What steps will the Government take to ensure this Supplementary. What steps will the Government take to ensure this does Government take to ensure this does not Government take to ensure this does not happen Government take to ensure this does not happen again? Government take to ensure this does not happen again? Well, Government take to ensure this does not happen again? Well, Mr Government take to ensure this does not happen again? Well, Mr Speaker, not happen again? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing not happen again? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New not happen again? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New Zealand's not happen again? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New Zealand's previous not happen again? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New Zealand's previous meth Housing New Zealand's previous meth contamination Housing New Zealand's previous meth contamination policy Housing New Zealand's previous meth contamination policy was Housing New Zealand's previous meth contamination policy was a Housing New Zealand's previous meth contamination policy was a moral Housing New Zealand's previous meth contamination policy was a moral and contamination policy was a moral and fiscal contamination policy was a moral and fiscal failure, contamination policy was a moral and fiscal failure, which contamination policy was a moral and fiscal failure, which harmed contamination policy was a moral and fiscal failure, which harmed many fiscal failure, which harmed many people fiscal failure, which harmed many people and, fiscal failure, which harmed many people and, in fiscal failure, which harmed many people and, in the fiscal failure, which harmed many people and, in the worst fiscal failure, which harmed many people and, in the worst cases, fiscal failure, which harmed many people and, in the worst cases, left people and, in the worst cases, left families people and, in the worst cases, left families homeless... people and, in the worst cases, left families homeless... Order. people and, in the worst cases, left families homeless... Order. What people and, in the worst cases, left families homeless... Order. What the families homeless... Order. What the member's families homeless... Order. What the member's going families homeless... Order. What the member's going to families homeless... Order. What the member's going to do families homeless... Order. What the member's going to do is families homeless... Order. What the member's going to do is he's families homeless... Order. What the member's going to do is he's going member's going to do is he's going to member's going to do is he's going to answer member's going to do is he's going to answer the member's going to do is he's going to answer the question, member's going to do is he's going to answer the question, which member's going to do is he's going to answer the question, which was member's going to do is he's going to answer the question, which was in to answer the question, which was in order. to answer the question, which was in order. His to answer the question, which was in order. His answer, to answer the question, which was in order. His answer, describing order. His answer, describing policies order. His answer, describing policies of order. His answer, describing policies of a order. His answer, describing policies of a previous order. His answer, describing policies of a previous government, policies of a previous government, is policies of a previous government, is not. is not. So, is not. So, Mr is not. So, Mr Speaker, is not. So, Mr Speaker, under is not. So, Mr Speaker, under our So, Mr Speaker, under our Government, So, Mr Speaker, under our Government, Housing So, Mr Speaker, under our Government, Housing New So, Mr Speaker, under our Government, Housing New Zealand So, Mr Speaker, under our Government, Housing New Zealand has Government, Housing New Zealand has become Government, Housing New Zealand has become a Government, Housing New Zealand has become a compassionate Government, Housing New Zealand has become a compassionate landlord, become a compassionate landlord, that become a compassionate landlord, that supports become a compassionate landlord, that supports people become a compassionate landlord, that supports people to become a compassionate landlord, that supports people to live become a compassionate landlord, that supports people to live in become a compassionate landlord, that supports people to live in its that supports people to live in its homes that supports people to live in its homes with that supports people to live in its homes with dipping that supports people to live in its homes with dipping knit that supports people to live in its homes with dipping knit and that supports people to live in its homes with dipping knit and respect. homes with dipping knit and respect. Housing homes with dipping knit and respect. Housing New homes with dipping knit and respect. Housing New Zealand homes with dipping knit and respect. Housing New Zealand no homes with dipping knit and respect. Housing New Zealand no longer homes with dipping knit and respect. Housing New Zealand no longer ends Housing New Zealand no longer ends tenancies Housing New Zealand no longer ends tenancies and Housing New Zealand no longer ends tenancies and makes Housing New Zealand no longer ends tenancies and makes people Housing New Zealand no longer ends tenancies and makes people with tenancies and makes people with addictions tenancies and makes people with addictions homeless, tenancies and makes people with addictions homeless, or tenancies and makes people with addictions homeless, or throws addictions homeless, or throws people addictions homeless, or throws people out addictions homeless, or throws people out on addictions homeless, or throws people out on the addictions homeless, or throws people out on the street addictions homeless, or throws people out on the street on addictions homeless, or throws people out on the street on the people out on the street on the basis people out on the street on the basis of people out on the street on the basis of no people out on the street on the basis of no decent people out on the street on the basis of no decent evidence. people out on the street on the basis of no decent evidence. If basis of no decent evidence. If there basis of no decent evidence. If there are basis of no decent evidence. If there are issues basis of no decent evidence. If there are issues around basis of no decent evidence. If there are issues around addiction, there are issues around addiction, Housing there are issues around addiction, Housing New there are issues around addiction, Housing New Zealand there are issues around addiction, Housing New Zealand now there are issues around addiction, Housing New Zealand now connects Housing New Zealand now connects people Housing New Zealand now connects people with Housing New Zealand now connects people with the Housing New Zealand now connects people with the support Housing New Zealand now connects people with the support services people with the support services they people with the support services they need people with the support services they need to people with the support services they need to help people with the support services they need to help them. they need to help them. Supplementary. they need to help them. Supplementary. What they need to help them. Supplementary. What else they need to help them. Supplementary. What else is they need to help them. Supplementary. What else is Housing Supplementary. What else is Housing New Supplementary. What else is Housing New Zealand Supplementary. What else is Housing New Zealand doing Supplementary. What else is Housing New Zealand doing to Supplementary. What else is Housing New Zealand doing to better Supplementary. What else is Housing New Zealand doing to better support New Zealand doing to better support its New Zealand doing to better support its tenants New Zealand doing to better support its tenants with New Zealand doing to better support its tenants with issues New Zealand doing to better support its tenants with issues such New Zealand doing to better support its tenants with issues such as its tenants with issues such as addictions? its tenants with issues such as addictions? Well, its tenants with issues such as addictions? Well, Mr its tenants with issues such as addictions? Well, Mr Speaker, addictions? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing addictions? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New addictions? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New Zealand addictions? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New Zealand is addictions? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New Zealand is now addictions? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New Zealand is now a addictions? Well, Mr Speaker, Housing New Zealand is now a very Housing New Zealand is now a very different Housing New Zealand is now a very different organisation Housing New Zealand is now a very different organisation and Housing New Zealand is now a very different organisation and is Housing New Zealand is now a very different organisation and is well different organisation and is well on different organisation and is well on the different organisation and is well on the way different organisation and is well on the way to different organisation and is well on the way to becoming different organisation and is well on the way to becoming a different organisation and is well on the way to becoming a world-class on the way to becoming a world-class public on the way to becoming a world-class public housing on the way to becoming a world-class public housing landlord. public housing landlord. It's public housing landlord. It's partnering public housing landlord. It's partnering with public housing landlord. It's partnering with other public housing landlord. It's partnering with other agencies It's partnering with other agencies and It's partnering with other agencies and specialist It's partnering with other agencies and specialist NGOs It's partnering with other agencies and specialist NGOs to It's partnering with other agencies and specialist NGOs to help It's partnering with other agencies and specialist NGOs to help those and specialist NGOs to help those tenants and specialist NGOs to help those tenants with and specialist NGOs to help those tenants with complex and specialist NGOs to help those tenants with complex issues, and specialist NGOs to help those tenants with complex issues, such and specialist NGOs to help those tenants with complex issues, such as tenants with complex issues, such as mental tenants with complex issues, such as mental health tenants with complex issues, such as mental health and tenants with complex issues, such as mental health and addiction. tenants with complex issues, such as mental health and addiction. For mental health and addiction. For example, mental health and addiction. For example, the mental health and addiction. For example, the new mental health and addiction. For example, the new Grays mental health and addiction. 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From whom did he hear the allegation that Filipino truck the allegation that Filipino truck drivers the allegation that Filipino truck drivers were the allegation that Filipino truck drivers were being the allegation that Filipino truck drivers were being offered the allegation that Filipino truck drivers were being offered the drivers were being offered the opportunity drivers were being offered the opportunity to drivers were being offered the opportunity to "spy" drivers were being offered the opportunity to "spy" by drivers were being offered the opportunity to "spy" by the opportunity to "spy" by the prosecutors opportunity to "spy" by the prosecutors in opportunity to "spy" by the prosecutors in the opportunity to "spy" by the prosecutors in the Semenoff opportunity to "spy" by the prosecutors in the Semenoff case? opportunity to "spy" by the prosecutors in the Semenoff case? Mr prosecutors in the Semenoff case? Mr Speaker, prosecutors in the Semenoff case? 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So if he agrees that the Filipino truck agrees that the Filipino truck drivers agrees that the Filipino truck drivers worked agrees that the Filipino truck drivers worked for agrees that the Filipino truck drivers worked for Semenoff agrees that the Filipino truck drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, his drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with the drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with the NZ drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with the NZ TA drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with the NZ TA CEO his conversation with the NZ TA CEO was his conversation with the NZ TA CEO was about his conversation with the NZ TA CEO was about the his conversation with the NZ TA CEO was about the decisions his conversation with the NZ TA CEO was about the decisions and his conversation with the NZ TA CEO was about the decisions and the was about the decisions and the methods was about the decisions and the methods of was about the decisions and the methods of the was about the decisions and the methods of the prosecutor was about the decisions and the methods of the prosecutor in was about the decisions and the methods of the prosecutor in the methods of the prosecutor in the Semenoff methods of the prosecutor in the Semenoff logging methods of the prosecutor in the Semenoff logging case. Semenoff logging case. Mr Semenoff logging case. Mr Speaker, Semenoff logging case. Mr Speaker, the Semenoff logging case. Mr Speaker, the trucking Semenoff logging case. 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I they are able to bring those issues to my attention. I realise they are able to bring those issues to my attention. I realise that they are able to bring those issues to my attention. I realise that the to my attention. I realise that the trucking to my attention. I realise that the trucking and to my attention. I realise that the trucking and heavy to my attention. I realise that the trucking and heavy freight to my attention. I realise that the trucking and heavy freight industry, trucking and heavy freight industry, Mr trucking and heavy freight industry, Mr Chairman, trucking and heavy freight industry, Mr Chairman, have trucking and heavy freight industry, Mr Chairman, have to trucking and heavy freight industry, Mr Chairman, have to balance trucking and heavy freight industry, Mr Chairman, have to balance the Mr Chairman, have to balance the statutory Mr Chairman, have to balance the statutory requirements Mr Chairman, have to balance the statutory requirements for Mr Chairman, have to balance the statutory requirements for safety, statutory requirements for safety, but statutory requirements for safety, but in statutory requirements for safety, but in the statutory requirements for safety, but in the absence statutory requirements for safety, but in the absence of statutory requirements for safety, but in the absence of a statutory requirements for safety, but in the absence of a thriving but in the absence of a thriving trucking but in the absence of a thriving trucking industry, but in the absence of a thriving trucking industry, regional trucking industry, regional development trucking industry, regional development may trucking industry, regional development may be trucking industry, regional development may be undermined. development may be undermined. Point development may be undermined. Point of development may be undermined. Point of order, development may be undermined. Point of order, Mr development may be undermined. Point of order, Mr Speaker, development may be undermined. Point of order, Mr Speaker, he development may be undermined. Point of order, Mr Speaker, he did Point of order, Mr Speaker, he did not Point of order, Mr Speaker, he did not answer Point of order, Mr Speaker, he did not answer that Point of order, Mr Speaker, he did not answer that question Point of order, Mr Speaker, he did not answer that question at Point of order, Mr Speaker, he did not answer that question at all. Point of order, Mr Speaker, he did not answer that question at all. Ask not answer that question at all. Ask the not answer that question at all. Ask the question not answer that question at all. Ask the question again. not answer that question at all. Ask the question again. So not answer that question at all. Ask the question again. So if not answer that question at all. Ask the question again. So if he not answer that question at all. Ask the question again. So if he agrees the question again. So if he agrees that the question again. So if he agrees that the the question again. So if he agrees that the Filipino the question again. So if he agrees that the Filipino truck the question again. So if he agrees that the Filipino truck drivers that the Filipino truck drivers worked that the Filipino truck drivers worked for that the Filipino truck drivers worked for Semenoff that the Filipino truck drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, that the Filipino truck drivers worked for Semenoff Logging, his worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with the worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with the NZTA worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with the NZTA CEO worked for Semenoff Logging, his conversation with the NZTA CEO was conversation with the NZTA CEO was about conversation with the NZTA CEO was about the conversation with the NZTA CEO was about the decisions conversation with the NZTA CEO was about the decisions and conversation with the NZTA CEO was about the decisions and the about the decisions and the methods... about the decisions and the methods... I've about the decisions and the methods... I've heard about the decisions and the methods... I've heard enough. about the decisions and the methods... I've heard enough. He about the decisions and the methods... I've heard enough. He did methods... I've heard enough. He did answer methods... I've heard enough. He did answer the methods... I've heard enough. He did answer the question. answer the question. Further answer the question. Further supplementary? answer the question. Further supplementary? Question Further supplementary? Question number Further supplementary? Question number six, Further supplementary? Question number six, the Further supplementary? Question number six, the Honourable Further supplementary? Question number six, the Honourable Michael number six, the Honourable Michael Woodhouse. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: Health: Does Health: Does he Health: Does he stand Health: Does he stand by Health: Does he stand by all Health: Does he stand by all of Health: Does he stand by all of his Health: Does he stand by all of his answers Does he stand by all of his answers to Does he stand by all of his answers to Oral Does he stand by all of his answers to Oral Question Does he stand by all of his answers to Oral Question No. Does he stand by all of his answers to Oral Question No. 6 to Oral Question No. 6 on to Oral Question No. 6 on Wednesday, to Oral Question No. 6 on Wednesday, 3 to Oral Question No. 6 on Wednesday, 3 April? Mr Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker... The Mr Speaker... The Honourable Mr Speaker... The Honourable Dr Mr Speaker... The Honourable Dr David Mr Speaker... The Honourable Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker... The Honourable Dr David Clark. Yes. David Clark. Yes. Has David Clark. Yes. Has he David Clark. Yes. Has he seen David Clark. Yes. Has he seen a David Clark. Yes. Has he seen a report David Clark. Yes. Has he seen a report of David Clark. Yes. Has he seen a report of comments David Clark. Yes. Has he seen a report of comments by Has he seen a report of comments by patient Has he seen a report of comments by patient advocate Has he seen a report of comments by patient advocate Malcolm Has he seen a report of comments by patient advocate Malcolm mull patient advocate Malcolm mull Holland, patient advocate Malcolm mull Holland, who patient advocate Malcolm mull Holland, who said patient advocate Malcolm mull Holland, who said yesterday, patient advocate Malcolm mull Holland, who said yesterday, "I Holland, who said yesterday, "I again Holland, who said yesterday, "I again spoke Holland, who said yesterday, "I again spoke with Holland, who said yesterday, "I again spoke with Ms Holland, who said yesterday, "I again spoke with Ms Wall Holland, who said yesterday, "I again spoke with Ms Wall and Holland, who said yesterday, "I again spoke with Ms Wall and asked again spoke with Ms Wall and asked where again spoke with Ms Wall and asked where the again spoke with Ms Wall and asked where the inquiry again spoke with Ms Wall and asked where the inquiry was again spoke with Ms Wall and asked where the inquiry was at. again spoke with Ms Wall and asked where the inquiry was at. She again spoke with Ms Wall and asked where the inquiry was at. She then where the inquiry was at. She then told where the inquiry was at. She then told they where the inquiry was at. She then told they that where the inquiry was at. She then told they that the where the inquiry was at. She then told they that the inquiry where the inquiry was at. She then told they that the inquiry was where the inquiry was at. She then told they that the inquiry was being told they that the inquiry was being blocked told they that the inquiry was being blocked at told they that the inquiry was being blocked at Dr told they that the inquiry was being blocked at Dr Clark told they that the inquiry was being blocked at Dr Clark and told they that the inquiry was being blocked at Dr Clark and at told they that the inquiry was being blocked at Dr Clark and at a told they that the inquiry was being blocked at Dr Clark and at a higher blocked at Dr Clark and at a higher level blocked at Dr Clark and at a higher level than blocked at Dr Clark and at a higher level than him"? blocked at Dr Clark and at a higher level than him"? Mr blocked at Dr Clark and at a higher level than him"? Mr Speaker, blocked at Dr Clark and at a higher level than him"? Mr Speaker, I blocked at Dr Clark and at a higher level than him"? Mr Speaker, I have level than him"? Mr Speaker, I have seen level than him"? Mr Speaker, I have seen some level than him"? Mr Speaker, I have seen some of level than him"? Mr Speaker, I have seen some of those level than him"? Mr Speaker, I have seen some of those comments level than him"? Mr Speaker, I have seen some of those comments and level than him"? Mr Speaker, I have seen some of those comments and I seen some of those comments and I would seen some of those comments and I would comment seen some of those comments and I would comment that seen some of those comments and I would comment that I'm seen some of those comments and I would comment that I'm not would comment that I'm not responsible would comment that I'm not responsible for would comment that I'm not responsible for the would comment that I'm not responsible for the comments would comment that I'm not responsible for the comments of would comment that I'm not responsible for the comments of Mr responsible for the comments of Mr Mulholland. Mulholland. Has Mulholland. Has he Mulholland. Has he discussed Mulholland. Has he discussed those Mulholland. Has he discussed those claims Mulholland. Has he discussed those claims with Has he discussed those claims with the Has he discussed those claims with the chair Has he discussed those claims with the chair of Has he discussed those claims with the chair of the Has he discussed those claims with the chair of the Health Has he discussed those claims with the chair of the Health Select the chair of the Health Select Committee? the chair of the Health Select Committee? And the chair of the Health Select Committee? And what the chair of the Health Select Committee? And what was the chair of the Health Select Committee? And what was the the chair of the Health Select Committee? And what was the nature Committee? And what was the nature of Committee? And what was the nature of those Committee? And what was the nature of those discussions? Committee? And what was the nature of those discussions? Mr Committee? And what was the nature of those discussions? Mr Speaker, of those discussions? Mr Speaker, no. no. Does no. Does he no. Does he agree, no. Does he agree, or no. Does he agree, or disagree, no. Does he agree, or disagree, with no. Does he agree, or disagree, with Mr Does he agree, or disagree, with Mr Mulholland's Does he agree, or disagree, with Mr Mulholland's version Does he agree, or disagree, with Mr Mulholland's version of Does he agree, or disagree, with Mr Mulholland's version of events? Does he agree, or disagree, with Mr Mulholland's version of events? Mr Mulholland's version of events? Mr Speaker, Mulholland's version of events? Mr Speaker, I'm Mulholland's version of events? Mr Speaker, I'm not Mulholland's version of events? Mr Speaker, I'm not responsible Mulholland's version of events? Mr Speaker, I'm not responsible for Mulholland's version of events? Mr Speaker, I'm not responsible for the Speaker, I'm not responsible for the comments Speaker, I'm not responsible for the comments of Speaker, I'm not responsible for the comments of Mr Speaker, I'm not responsible for the comments of Mr Mulholland, Speaker, I'm not responsible for the comments of Mr Mulholland, and Speaker, I'm not responsible for the comments of Mr Mulholland, and in Speaker, I'm not responsible for the comments of Mr Mulholland, and in so comments of Mr Mulholland, and in so far comments of Mr Mulholland, and in so far as comments of Mr Mulholland, and in so far as I've comments of Mr Mulholland, and in so far as I've seen comments of Mr Mulholland, and in so far as I've seen them, comments of Mr Mulholland, and in so far as I've seen them, to comments of Mr Mulholland, and in so far as I've seen them, to the comments of Mr Mulholland, and in so far as I've seen them, to the best far as I've seen them, to the best of far as I've seen them, to the best of my far as I've seen them, to the best of my knowledge, far as I've seen them, to the best of my knowledge, they're far as I've seen them, to the best of my knowledge, they're not of my knowledge, they're not correct. correct. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Police: What Police: What reports Police: What reports has Police: What reports has he Police: What reports has he seen What reports has he seen in What reports has he seen in respons What reports has he seen in respons to What reports has he seen in respons to public What reports has he seen in respons to public safety What reports has he seen in respons to public safety and in respons to public safety and security in respons to public safety and security concerns security concerns in security concerns in the security concerns in the wake security concerns in the wake of security concerns in the wake of the security concerns in the wake of the 15 security concerns in the wake of the 15 March in the wake of the 15 March terror in the wake of the 15 March terror attack? Mr Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker. The Mr Speaker. The Honourable Mr Speaker. The Honourable Stuart Mr Speaker. The Honourable Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker. The Honourable Stuart Nash. I've Mr Speaker. The Honourable Stuart Nash. I've seen Mr Speaker. The Honourable Stuart Nash. I've seen numerous Mr Speaker. The Honourable Stuart Nash. I've seen numerous reports Mr Speaker. The Honourable Stuart Nash. I've seen numerous reports of Nash. I've seen numerous reports of police Nash. I've seen numerous reports of police moving Nash. I've seen numerous reports of police moving across Nash. I've seen numerous reports of police moving across a Nash. I've seen numerous reports of police moving across a number Nash. 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Today, security in regards to newly prohibited weapons. Today, police prohibited weapons. Today, police have prohibited weapons. Today, police have announced prohibited weapons. Today, police have announced an prohibited weapons. Today, police have announced an information prohibited weapons. Today, police have announced an information and have announced an information and education have announced an information and education campaign have announced an information and education campaign aimed have announced an information and education campaign aimed at education campaign aimed at responsible education campaign aimed at responsible gun-owners, education campaign aimed at responsible gun-owners, to education campaign aimed at responsible gun-owners, to let education campaign aimed at responsible gun-owners, to let them responsible gun-owners, to let them know responsible gun-owners, to let them responsible responsible gun-owners, to let them know how they responsible gun-owners, to let them know how they can responsible gun-owners, to let them know how they can take responsible gun-owners, to let them know how they can take part responsible gun-owners, to let them know how they can take part in responsible gun-owners, to let them know how they can take part in the know how they can take part in the amnesty know how they can take part in the amnesty and know how they can take part in the amnesty and buyback. know how they can take part in the amnesty and buyback. 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Police take this conduct extremely seriously individuals closely. Police take this conduct extremely seriously and this conduct extremely seriously and encourage this conduct extremely seriously and encourage the this conduct extremely seriously and encourage the public this conduct extremely seriously and encourage the public to this conduct extremely seriously and encourage the public to remain encourage the public to remain vigilant. encourage the public to remain vigilant. I'm encourage the public to remain vigilant. I'm also encourage the public to remain vigilant. I'm also advised encourage the public to remain vigilant. I'm also advised that encourage the public to remain vigilant. I'm also advised that over vigilant. I'm also advised that over the vigilant. I'm also advised that over the last vigilant. I'm also advised that over the last week, vigilant. I'm also advised that over the last week, a vigilant. I'm also advised that over the last week, a number vigilant. 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The professionals who aided this gang will abhorrent. The professionals who aided this gang will also abhorrent. The professionals who aided this gang will also be abhorrent. The professionals who aided this gang will also be held abhorrent. The professionals who aided this gang will also be held to aided this gang will also be held to account. aided this gang will also be held to account. I aided this gang will also be held to account. I thank aided this gang will also be held to account. I thank New aided this gang will also be held to account. I thank New Zealand aided this gang will also be held to account. I thank New Zealand First account. I thank New Zealand First for account. I thank New Zealand First for their account. I thank New Zealand First for their support account. I thank New Zealand First for their support for account. I thank New Zealand First for their support for our account. I thank New Zealand First for their support for our police account. I thank New Zealand First for their support for our police and for their support for our police and I for their support for our police and I thank for their support for our police and I thank the for their support for our police and I thank the police for their support for our police and I thank the police for for their support for our police and I thank the police for their for their support for our police and I thank the police for their efforts I thank the police for their efforts to I thank the police for their efforts to keep I thank the police for their efforts to keep our I thank the police for their efforts to keep our community I thank the police for their efforts to keep our community safe. to keep our community safe. Chris to keep our community safe. Chris Penk. 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There are always more projects than money for transport projects. There are always more projects than can money for transport projects. There are always more projects than can be are always more projects than can be funded are always more projects than can be funded at are always more projects than can be funded at any are always more projects than can be funded at any one are always more projects than can be funded at any one time. are always more projects than can be funded at any one time. We are always more projects than can be funded at any one time. We have are always more projects than can be funded at any one time. We have a funded at any one time. We have a procurement funded at any one time. We have a procurement process funded at any one time. We have a procurement process under funded at any one time. We have a procurement process under way funded at any one time. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Agriculture: Agriculture: What Agriculture: What recent Agriculture: What recent reports Agriculture: What recent reports has Agriculture: What recent reports has he Agriculture: What recent reports has he seen What recent reports has he seen about What recent reports has he seen about the What recent reports has he seen about the importance about the importance of about the importance of sustainability about the importance of sustainability to about the importance of sustainability to farmers? The The Honourable The Honourable Damien The Honourable Damien O'Connor. The Honourable Damien O'Connor. The The Honourable Damien O'Connor. The Minister The Honourable Damien O'Connor. The Minister for The Honourable Damien O'Connor. The Minister for Primary The Honourable Damien O'Connor. The Minister for Primary Industries Minister for Primary Industries survey Minister for Primary Industries survey released Minister for Primary Industries survey released this Minister for Primary Industries survey released this week Minister for Primary Industries survey released this week shows Minister for Primary Industries survey released this week shows a survey released this week shows a growing survey released this week shows a growing understanding survey released this week shows a growing understanding among survey released this week shows a growing understanding among farmers growing understanding among farmers that growing understanding among farmers that sustainability growing understanding among farmers that sustainability is growing understanding among farmers that sustainability is vital growing understanding among farmers that sustainability is vital for that sustainability is vital for them that sustainability is vital for them to that sustainability is vital for them to get that sustainability is vital for them to get the that sustainability is vital for them to get the most that sustainability is vital for them to get the most value that sustainability is vital for them to get the most value for that sustainability is vital for them to get the most value for what them to get the most value for what they them to get the most value for what they produce. them to get the most value for what they produce. The them to get the most value for what they produce. The results them to get the most value for what they produce. The results show them to get the most value for what they produce. The results show that they produce. The results show that 92% they produce. The results show that 92% of they produce. The results show that 92% of farmers they produce. The results show that 92% of farmers surveyed they produce. The results show that 92% of farmers surveyed are they produce. The results show that 92% of farmers surveyed are focused 92% of farmers surveyed are focused on 92% of farmers surveyed are focused on making 92% of farmers surveyed are focused on making their 92% of farmers surveyed are focused on making their farm 92% of farmers surveyed are focused on making their farm more on making their farm more environmentally on making their farm more environmentally sustainable, on making their farm more environmentally sustainable, up on making their farm more environmentally sustainable, up from environmentally sustainable, up from 78% environmentally sustainable, up from 78% in environmentally sustainable, up from 78% in the environmentally sustainable, up from 78% in the last environmentally sustainable, up from 78% in the last survey environmentally sustainable, up from 78% in the last survey in environmentally sustainable, up from 78% in the last survey in 2009. environmentally sustainable, up from 78% in the last survey in 2009. 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In my travels around the country, I've seen some excellent country, I've seen some excellent work country, I've seen some excellent work farmers country, I've seen some excellent work farmers are country, I've seen some excellent work farmers are using, country, I've seen some excellent work farmers are using, using work farmers are using, using riperian work farmers are using, using riperian planting, work farmers are using, using riperian planting, water work farmers are using, using riperian planting, water control work farmers are using, using riperian planting, water control and riperian planting, water control and fertiliser riperian planting, water control and fertiliser management. riperian planting, water control and fertiliser management. I'd riperian planting, water control and fertiliser management. I'd like riperian planting, water control and fertiliser management. I'd like to fertiliser management. I'd like to acknowledge fertiliser management. I'd like to acknowledge the fertiliser management. I'd like to acknowledge the work fertiliser management. I'd like to acknowledge the work they're fertiliser management. I'd like to acknowledge the work they're doing acknowledge the work they're doing in acknowledge the work they're doing acknowledge acknowledge the work they're doing in this area. acknowledge the work they're doing in this area. Why acknowledge the work they're doing in this area. Why is acknowledge the work they're doing in this area. Why is sustainability in this area. Why is sustainability so in this area. Why is sustainability so important in this area. Why is sustainability so important to in this area. Why is sustainability so important to farmers? in this area. Why is sustainability so important to farmers? Mr in this area. Why is sustainability so important to farmers? Mr Speaker, so important to farmers? Mr Speaker, I'd so important to farmers? Mr Speaker, I'd like so important to farmers? Mr Speaker, I'd like to so important to farmers? Mr Speaker, I'd like to inform so important to farmers? Mr Speaker, I'd like to inform the so important to farmers? Mr Speaker, I'd like to inform the National I'd like to inform the National Party I'd like to inform the National Party and I'd like to inform the National Party and the I'd like to inform the National Party and the rest I'd like to inform the National Party and the rest of I'd like to inform the National Party and the rest of the I'd like to inform the National Party and the rest of the country Party and the rest of the country that Party and the rest of the country that it's Party and the rest of the country that it's really Party and the rest of the country that it's really important Party and the rest of the country that it's really important that Party and the rest of the country that it's really important that our that it's really important that our farmers that it's really important that our farmers and that it's really important that our farmers and growers that it's really important that our farmers and growers know that it's really important that our farmers and growers know that farmers and growers know that international farmers and growers know that international customers farmers and growers know that international customers are farmers and growers know that international customers are more international customers are more discerning international customers are more discerning now international customers are more discerning now about international customers are more discerning now about the international customers are more discerning now about the origins international customers are more discerning now about the origins of discerning now about the origins of the discerning now about the origins of the food discerning now about the origins of the food and discerning now about the origins of the food and fibre discerning now about the origins of the food and fibre they discerning now about the origins of the food and fibre they buy. discerning now about the origins of the food and fibre they buy. Those the food and fibre they buy. Those customers the food and fibre they buy. Those customers want the food and fibre they buy. Those customers want to the food and fibre they buy. Those customers want to know the food and fibre they buy. Those customers want to know the the food and fibre they buy. Those customers want to know the story customers want to know the story behind customers want to know the story behind their customers want to know the story behind their food customers want to know the story behind their food and customers want to know the story behind their food and that customers want to know the story behind their food and that it's customers want to know the story behind their food and that it's been behind their food and that it's been ethically behind their food and that it's been ethically and behind their food and that it's been ethically and sustainably behind their food and that it's been ethically and sustainably produced. ethically and sustainably produced. 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I note that Rabobank's chief I note that Rabobank's chief executive I note that Rabobank's chief executive recently I note that Rabobank's chief executive recently said I note that Rabobank's chief executive recently said that I note that Rabobank's chief executive recently said that we executive recently said that we can't executive recently said that we can't rely executive recently said that we can't rely on executive recently said that we can't rely on the executive recently said that we can't rely on the ways executive recently said that we can't rely on the ways of executive recently said that we can't rely on the ways of the executive recently said that we can't rely on the ways of the past can't rely on the ways of the past if can't rely on the ways of the past if we're can't rely on the ways of the past if we're going can't rely on the ways of the past if we're going to can't rely on the ways of the past if we're going to get can't rely on the ways of the past if we're going to get more can't rely on the ways of the past if we're going to get more value if we're going to get more value from if we're going to get more value from what if we're going to get more value from what we if we're going to get more value from what we do if we're going to get more value from what we do now, if we're going to get more value from what we do now, Mr if we're going to get more value from what we do now, Mr Speaker. from what we do now, Mr Speaker. That's from what we do now, Mr Speaker. That's why from what we do now, Mr Speaker. That's why we from what we do now, Mr Speaker. That's why we applaud from what we do now, Mr Speaker. That's why we applaud the from what we do now, Mr Speaker. That's why we applaud the farmers That's why we applaud the farmers that That's why we applaud the farmers that are That's why we applaud the farmers that are taking That's why we applaud the farmers that are taking on That's why we applaud the farmers that are taking on sustainability that are taking on sustainability with that are taking on sustainability with enthusiasm. with enthusiasm. Supplementary. Supplementary. What Supplementary. What is Supplementary. What is the Supplementary. What is the Government Supplementary. What is the Government doing Supplementary. What is the Government doing to Supplementary. What is the Government doing to help What is the Government doing to help farmers What is the Government doing to help farmers achieve What is the Government doing to help farmers achieve their What is the Government doing to help farmers achieve their objectives? What is the Government doing to help farmers achieve their objectives? Mr farmers achieve their objectives? Mr Speaker, farmers achieve their objectives? Mr Speaker, we farmers achieve their objectives? Mr Speaker, we are farmers achieve their objectives? Mr Speaker, we are doing farmers achieve their objectives? Mr Speaker, we are doing heaps farmers achieve their objectives? Mr Speaker, we are doing heaps to farmers achieve their objectives? Mr Speaker, we are doing heaps to help Speaker, we are doing heaps to help farmers, Speaker, we are doing heaps to help farmers, heaps Speaker, we are doing heaps to help farmers, heaps and Speaker, we are doing heaps to help farmers, heaps and heaps. Speaker, we are doing heaps to help farmers, heaps and heaps. Mr farmers, heaps and heaps. Mr Speaker, farmers, heaps and heaps. Mr Speaker, we've farmers, heaps and heaps. Mr Speaker, we've rolled farmers, heaps and heaps. Mr Speaker, we've rolled out farmers, heaps and heaps. Mr Speaker, we've rolled out the farmers, heaps and heaps. 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We're leading-edge initiatives across the private sector. We're working leading-edge initiatives across the private sector. We're working on leading-edge initiatives across the private sector. We're working on an private sector. We're working on an integrated private sector. We're working on an integrated farm private sector. We're working on an integrated farm plan private sector. We're working on an integrated farm plan template private sector. We're working on an integrated farm plan template to integrated farm plan template to help integrated farm plan template to help farmers integrated farm plan template to help farmers meet integrated farm plan template to help farmers meet all integrated farm plan template to help farmers meet all their help farmers meet all their obligations. help farmers meet all their obligations. We'll help farmers meet all their obligations. We'll be help farmers meet all their obligations. We'll be putting help farmers meet all their obligations. 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