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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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The government continues to manage the books responsibly. The accounts government continues to manage the books responsibly. The accounts show books responsibly. The accounts show a books responsibly. The accounts show a surplus books responsibly. The accounts show a surplus of books responsibly. The accounts show a surplus of $2.5 books responsibly. The accounts show a surplus of $2.5 billion books responsibly. The accounts show a surplus of $2.5 billion in books responsibly. The accounts show a surplus of $2.5 billion in the a surplus of $2.5 billion in the operating a surplus of $2.5 billion in the operating balance a surplus of $2.5 billion in the operating balance before a surplus of $2.5 billion in the operating balance before gains a surplus of $2.5 billion in the operating balance before gains and operating balance before gains and losses operating balance before gains and losses over operating balance before gains and losses over the operating balance before gains and losses over the nine operating balance before gains and losses over the nine months. operating balance before gains and losses over the nine months. $329 losses over the nine months. $329 million losses over the nine months. $329 million above losses over the nine months. $329 million above forecast. losses over the nine months. $329 million above forecast. Net losses over the nine months. $329 million above forecast. Net core million above forecast. 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Does she accept The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Does she accept that The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Does she accept that under The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Does she accept that under the The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Does she accept that under the previous she accept that under the previous government she accept that under the previous government job she accept that under the previous government job creation she accept that under the previous government job creation was she accept that under the previous government job creation was a she accept that under the previous government job creation was a 10,000 government job creation was a 10,000 per government job creation was a 10,000 per month, government job creation was a 10,000 per month, yet government job creation was a 10,000 per month, yet in government job creation was a 10,000 per month, yet in the government job creation was a 10,000 per month, yet in the last government job creation was a 10,000 per month, yet in the last three per month, yet in the last three months per month, yet in the last three months job per month, yet in the last three months job growth per month, yet in the last three months job growth has per month, yet in the last three months job growth has fallen per month, yet in the last three months job growth has fallen by months job growth has fallen by 4,000. months job growth has fallen by 4,000. 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And, the like, but it has fallen, Mr Speaker. And, the number like, but it has fallen, Mr Speaker. And, the number of like, but it has fallen, Mr Speaker. And, the number of employed like, but it has fallen, Mr Speaker. And, the number of employed people And, the number of employed people rose And, the number of employed people rose 38, And, the number of employed people rose 38, join And, the number of employed people rose 38, join 200 And, the number of employed people rose 38, join 200 from And, the number of employed people rose 38, join 200 from a And, the number of employed people rose 38, join 200 from a year And, the number of employed people rose 38, join 200 from a year ago. rose 38, join 200 from a year ago. APPLAUSE rose 38, join 200 from a year ago. APPLAUSE Mr rose 38, join 200 from a year ago. APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, rose 38, join 200 from a year ago. APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, the rose 38, join 200 from a year ago. APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, the member rose 38, join 200 from a year ago. APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, the member has APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, the member has compared APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, the member has compared one APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, the member has compared one quarter APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, the member has compared one quarter to APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, the member has compared one quarter to the APPLAUSE Mr Speaker, the member has compared one quarter to the next compared one quarter to the next because compared one quarter to the next because that compared one quarter to the next because that was compared one quarter to the next because that was the compared one quarter to the next because that was the only compared one quarter to the next because that was the only number because that was the only number that because that was the only number that he because that was the only number that he felt because that was the only number that he felt comfortable because that was the only number that he felt comfortable raising because that was the only number that he felt comfortable raising in that he felt comfortable raising in this that he felt comfortable raising in this House. that he felt comfortable raising in this House. 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Does she know that the reasons quarter-on-quarter either. Does she know that the reasons Statistics quarter-on-quarter either. Does she know that the reasons Statistics NZ know that the reasons Statistics NZ gave know that the reasons Statistics NZ gave for know that the reasons Statistics NZ gave for the know that the reasons Statistics NZ gave for the unemployment know that the reasons Statistics NZ gave for the unemployment rate gave for the unemployment rate falling? gave for the unemployment rate falling? The gave for the unemployment rate falling? The last gave for the unemployment rate falling? The last quarter gave for the unemployment rate falling? The last quarter was falling? The last quarter was because falling? The last quarter was because people falling? The last quarter was because people were falling? The last quarter was because people were deciding falling? 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That is actually not correct. Mr Speaker, if on to benefit? That is actually not correct. Mr Speaker, if someone on to benefit? That is actually not correct. Mr Speaker, if someone goes correct. Mr Speaker, if someone goes on correct. Mr Speaker, if someone goes on a correct. Mr Speaker, if someone goes on a benefit correct. Mr Speaker, if someone goes on a benefit by correct. Mr Speaker, if someone goes on a benefit by default, correct. Mr Speaker, if someone goes on a benefit by default, they correct. Mr Speaker, if someone goes on a benefit by default, they are on a benefit by default, they are termed on a benefit by default, they are termed "unemployed" on a benefit by default, they are termed "unemployed" and on a benefit by default, they are termed "unemployed" and would on a benefit by default, they are termed "unemployed" and would show termed "unemployed" and would show up termed "unemployed" and would show up in termed "unemployed" and would show up in the termed "unemployed" and would show up in the unemployment termed "unemployed" and would show up in the unemployment statistics, up in the unemployment statistics, which up in the unemployment statistics, which have up in the unemployment statistics, which have gone, up in the unemployment statistics, which have gone, if up in the unemployment statistics, which have gone, if surveyed, up in the unemployment statistics, which have gone, if surveyed, they which have gone, if surveyed, they would, which have gone, if surveyed, they would, indeed, which have gone, if surveyed, they would, indeed, be which have gone, if surveyed, they would, indeed, be regarded which have gone, if surveyed, they would, indeed, be regarded as would, indeed, be regarded as unemployed would, indeed, be regarded as unemployed and would, indeed, be regarded as unemployed and the would, indeed, be regarded as unemployed and the unemployment would, indeed, be regarded as unemployed and the unemployment rate unemployed and the unemployment rate has unemployed and the unemployment rate has gone unemployed and the unemployment rate has gone down. unemployed and the unemployment rate has gone down. 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Secondly, Mr Speaker, I also acknowledge that when the I also acknowledge that when the numbers I also acknowledge that when the numbers came I also acknowledge that when the numbers came out I also acknowledge that when the numbers came out Stats I also acknowledge that when the numbers came out Stats NZ I also acknowledge that when the numbers came out Stats NZ said I also acknowledge that when the numbers came out Stats NZ said they numbers came out Stats NZ said they saw numbers came out Stats NZ said they saw a numbers came out Stats NZ said they saw a rise numbers came out Stats NZ said they saw a rise in numbers came out Stats NZ said they saw a rise in men numbers came out Stats NZ said they saw a rise in men aged numbers came out Stats NZ said they saw a rise in men aged - numbers came out Stats NZ said they saw a rise in men aged - this numbers came out Stats NZ said they saw a rise in men aged - this is saw a rise in men aged - this is actually saw a rise in men aged - this is actually from saw a rise in men aged - this is actually from Statistics saw a rise in men aged - this is actually from Statistics NZ, saw a rise in men aged - this is actually from Statistics NZ, Mr actually from Statistics NZ, Mr Brownlee, actually from Statistics NZ, Mr Brownlee, if actually from Statistics NZ, Mr Brownlee, if you actually from Statistics NZ, Mr Brownlee, if you would actually from Statistics NZ, Mr Brownlee, if you would like actually from Statistics NZ, Mr Brownlee, if you would like to actually from Statistics NZ, Mr Brownlee, if you would like to tune Brownlee, if you would like to tune in Brownlee, if you would like to tune in - Brownlee, if you would like to tune in - say Brownlee, if you would like to tune in - say they Brownlee, if you would like to tune in - say they saw Brownlee, if you would like to tune in - say they saw a Brownlee, if you would like to tune in - say they saw a rise Brownlee, if you would like to tune in - say they saw a rise in Brownlee, if you would like to tune in - say they saw a rise in men Brownlee, if you would like to tune in - say they saw a rise in men aged in - say they saw a rise in men aged over in - say they saw a rise in men aged over 55 in - say they saw a rise in men aged over 55 leaving in - say they saw a rise in men aged over 55 leaving the in - say they saw a rise in men aged over 55 leaving the labour in - say they saw a rise in men aged over 55 leaving the labour force in - say they saw a rise in men aged over 55 leaving the labour force in over 55 leaving the labour force in order over 55 leaving the labour force in order to over 55 leaving the labour force in order to G over 55 leaving the labour force in order to G into over 55 leaving the labour force in order to G into leisure over 55 leaving the labour force in order to G into leisure time. order to G into leisure time. 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I just want right to make a point of order. I just want to right to make a point of order. I just want to express right to make a point of order. I just want to express the right to make a point of order. I just want to express the House right to make a point of order. I just want to express the House how just want to express the House how overcome just want to express the House how overcome I just want to express the House how overcome I am just want to express the House how overcome I am by just want to express the House how overcome I am by the just want to express the House how overcome I am by the kindness just want to express the House how overcome I am by the kindness of just want to express the House how overcome I am by the kindness of the overcome I am by the kindness of the PM. overcome I am by the kindness of the <LAUGHTER> <LAUGHTER> Well, <LAUGHTER> <LAUGHTER> <LAUGHTER> Well, I thought <LAUGHTER> Well, I thought the <LAUGHTER> Well, I thought the member <LAUGHTER> Well, I thought the member was <LAUGHTER> Well, I thought the member was going Well, I thought the member was going to Well, I thought the member was going to say Well, I thought the member was going to say wouldn't Well, I thought the member was going to say wouldn't notice Well, I thought the member was going to say wouldn't notice any to say wouldn't notice any difference. difference. <LAUGHTER> <LAUGHTER> We <LAUGHTER> We really <LAUGHTER> We really should <LAUGHTER> We really should get <LAUGHTER> We really should get our <LAUGHTER> We really should get our two <LAUGHTER> We really should get our two back. 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So, 17 under the last government. So, yes, 17 under the last government. So, yes, of 17 under the last government. So, yes, of course 17 under the last government. So, yes, of course we 17 under the last government. So, yes, of course we want 17 under the last government. So, yes, of course we want to 17 under the last government. So, yes, of course we want to keep 17 under the last government. So, yes, of course we want to keep those yes, of course we want to keep those numbers yes, of course we want to keep those numbers coming yes, of course we want to keep those numbers coming in yes, of course we want to keep those numbers coming in a yes, of course we want to keep those numbers coming in a different numbers coming in a different direction, numbers coming in a different direction, but, numbers coming in a different direction, but, again, numbers coming in a different direction, but, again, relive numbers coming in a different direction, but, again, relive to numbers coming in a different direction, but, again, relive to the direction, but, again, relive to the last direction, but, again, relive to the last government, direction, but, again, relive to the last government, innette direction, but, again, relive to the last government, innette beer direction, but, again, relive to the last government, innette beer shape. last government, innette beer shape. -- last government, innette beer shape. -- relative last government, innette beer shape. -- relative to last government, innette beer shape. -- relative to the last government, innette beer shape. -- relative to the last last government, innette beer shape. -- relative to the last government, -- relative to the last government, in -- relative to the last government, in better -- relative to the last government, in better shape. -- relative to the last government, in better shape. 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Does she accept under the previous government 60,000 under the previous government 60,000 people under the previous government 60,000 people came under the previous government 60,000 people came off under the previous government 60,000 people came off benefits, under the previous government 60,000 people came off benefits, yet under the previous government 60,000 people came off benefits, yet in under the previous government 60,000 people came off benefits, yet in the people came off benefits, yet in the last people came off benefits, yet in the last 12 people came off benefits, yet in the last 12 months people came off benefits, yet in the last 12 months there, people came off benefits, yet in the last 12 months there, are people came off benefits, yet in the last 12 months there, are 13,000 last 12 months there, are 13,000 more last 12 months there, are 13,000 more people last 12 months there, are 13,000 more people on last 12 months there, are 13,000 more people on the last 12 months there, are 13,000 more people on the benefit? last 12 months there, are 13,000 more people on the benefit? 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That is why we have mana people in work. That is why we have mana and people in work. That is why we have mana and mahi people in work. That is why we have mana and mahi where people in work. That is why we have mana and mahi where we people in work. That is why we have mana and mahi where we are mana and mahi where we are supporting mana and mahi where we are supporting those mana and mahi where we are supporting those on mana and mahi where we are supporting those on unemployment supporting those on unemployment benefits, supporting those on unemployment benefits, supporting supporting those on unemployment benefits, supporting them supporting those on unemployment benefits, supporting them others supporting those on unemployment benefits, supporting them others to benefits, supporting them others to take benefits, supporting them others to take them benefits, supporting them others to take them on benefits, supporting them others to take them on on benefits, supporting them others to take them on on apprenticeships benefits, supporting them others to take them on on apprenticeships and take them on on apprenticeships and why take them on on apprenticeships and why we take them on on apprenticeships and why we have take them on on apprenticeships and why we have a take them on on apprenticeships and why we have a scheme take them on on apprenticeships and why we have a scheme where take them on on apprenticeships and why we have a scheme where those take them on on apprenticeships and why we have a scheme where those on why we have a scheme where those on youth why we have a scheme where those on youth payments why we have a scheme where those on youth payments are why we have a scheme where those on youth payments are able why we have a scheme where those on youth payments are able to why we have a scheme where those on youth payments are able to get why we have a scheme where those on youth payments are able to get free youth payments are able to get free driver youth payments are able to get free driver licences. youth payments are able to get free driver licences. Ministers youth payments are able to get free driver licences. Ministers announced driver licences. Ministers announced the driver licences. Ministers announced the work driver licences. Ministers announced the work they driver licences. Ministers announced the work they are driver licences. Ministers announced the work they are doing driver licences. Ministers announced the work they are doing with driver licences. Ministers announced the work they are doing with the the work they are doing with the building the work they are doing with the building and the work they are doing with the building and construction the work they are doing with the building and construction sector. the work they are doing with the building and construction sector. We building and construction sector. We want building and construction sector. We want people building and construction sector. We want people in building and construction sector. We want people in meaningful building and construction sector. We want people in meaningful work building and construction sector. We want people in meaningful work and want people in meaningful work and we want people in meaningful work and we are want people in meaningful work and we are taking want people in meaningful work and we are taking meaningful want people in meaningful work and we are taking meaningful action want people in meaningful work and we are taking meaningful action to we are taking meaningful action to make we are taking meaningful action to make it we are taking meaningful action to make it happen. we are taking meaningful action to make it happen. Why we are taking meaningful action to make it happen. Why are we are taking meaningful action to make it happen. Why are there we are taking meaningful action to make it happen. Why are there 13,000 make it happen. Why are there 13,000 more make it happen. Why are there 13,000 more New make it happen. Why are there 13,000 more New Zealanders make it happen. 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We have seen, according to MSD, said there has been a 0.2% increase. We have seen, according to MSD, some We have seen, according to MSD, some softening? We have seen, according to MSD, some softening? The We have seen, according to MSD, some softening? The areas We have seen, according to MSD, some softening? The areas around softening? The areas around construction softening? The areas around construction from softening? The areas around construction from memory, softening? The areas around construction from memory, so softening? 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Mr the job seeker benefit in the last year? Mr Speaker, the job seeker benefit in the last year? Mr Speaker, again, the job seeker benefit in the last year? Mr Speaker, again, my year? Mr Speaker, again, my preference year? Mr Speaker, again, my preference would year? Mr Speaker, again, my preference would always year? Mr Speaker, again, my preference would always be year? Mr Speaker, again, my preference would always be to year? 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Mr areas in order to try to turn such numbers around. Mr Speaker, areas in order to try to turn such numbers around. Mr Speaker, I areas in order to try to turn such numbers around. Mr Speaker, I would numbers around. Mr Speaker, I would again numbers around. Mr Speaker, I would again say, numbers around. Mr Speaker, I would again say, though, numbers around. Mr Speaker, I would again say, though, this numbers around. Mr Speaker, I would again say, though, this is numbers around. Mr Speaker, I would again say, though, this is a numbers around. 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This is a time for celebration for the is a time for celebration for the country is a time for celebration for the country that is a time for celebration for the country that we is a time for celebration for the country that we are is a time for celebration for the country that we are doing is a time for celebration for the country that we are doing well is a time for celebration for the country that we are doing well in country that we are doing well in the country that we are doing well in the face country that we are doing well in the face of country that we are doing well in the face of some country that we are doing well in the face of some international the face of some international headwinds, the face of some international headwinds, which the face of some international headwinds, which are the face of some international headwinds, which are not the face of some international headwinds, which are not positive. headwinds, which are not positive. 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Could I ask the PM with all of these ask the PM with all of these questions ask the PM with all of these questions about ask the PM with all of these questions about employment, ask the PM with all of these questions about employment, when questions about employment, when unemployment questions about employment, when unemployment is questions about employment, when unemployment is at questions about employment, when unemployment is at a questions about employment, when unemployment is at a most unemployment is at a most commendable unemployment is at a most commendable rate unemployment is at a most commendable rate of unemployment is at a most commendable rate of 4.2%, unemployment is at a most commendable rate of 4.2%, could commendable rate of 4.2%, could never commendable rate of 4.2%, could never the commendable rate of 4.2%, could never the less commendable rate of 4.2%, could never the less one commendable rate of 4.2%, could never the less one professional never the less one professional position never the less one professional position be never the less one professional position be facing never the less one professional position be facing unemployment? position be facing unemployment? <LAUGHTER> <LAUGHTER> Well, <LAUGHTER> Well, there <LAUGHTER> Well, there will <LAUGHTER> Well, there will be <LAUGHTER> Well, there will be one <LAUGHTER> Well, there will be one facing Well, there will be one facing under... 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Does get our benefit numbers down. Does the get our benefit numbers down. Does the welfare get our benefit numbers down. Does the welfare advisory get our benefit numbers down. Does the welfare advisory group get our benefit numbers down. Does the welfare advisory group report, the welfare advisory group report, due the welfare advisory group report, due to the welfare advisory group report, due to be the welfare advisory group report, due to be released the welfare advisory group report, due to be released on the welfare advisory group report, due to be released on Friday, due to be released on Friday, recommend due to be released on Friday, recommend the due to be released on Friday, recommend the removal due to be released on Friday, recommend the removal of due to be released on Friday, recommend the removal of most due to be released on Friday, recommend the removal of most or due to be released on Friday, recommend the removal of most or all recommend the removal of most or all benefit recommend the removal of most or all benefit obligations recommend the removal of most or all benefit obligations and recommend the removal of most or all benefit obligations and sanctions? benefit obligations and sanctions? 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There have been sanctions which are just not accurate. There have been no sanctions which are just not accurate. There have been no changes accurate. There have been no changes to accurate. There have been no changes to the accurate. There have been no changes to the sanction accurate. There have been no changes to the sanction regime. accurate. There have been no changes to the sanction regime. We accurate. There have been no changes to the sanction regime. We have, to the sanction regime. We have, however, to the sanction regime. We have, however, ensured to the sanction regime. We have, however, ensured that to the sanction regime. We have, however, ensured that Work to the sanction regime. 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The second point is that the welfare expert advisory group, the welfare expert advisory group, you the welfare expert advisory group, you will the welfare expert advisory group, you will be the welfare expert advisory group, you will be able the welfare expert advisory group, you will be able to the welfare expert advisory group, you will be able to discuss the welfare expert advisory group, you will be able to discuss and you will be able to discuss and debate you will be able to discuss and debate their you will be able to discuss and debate their recommendations, you will be able to discuss and debate their recommendations, once debate their recommendations, once they debate their recommendations, once they are debate their recommendations, once they are released. debate their recommendations, once they are released. Will debate their recommendations, once they are released. Will her they are released. Will her government, they are released. 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With sanctions, of course we always have sanctions, of course we always have been sanctions, of course we always have been mindful sanctions, of course we always have been mindful about sanctions, of course we always have been mindful about the sanctions, of course we always have been mindful about the impact sanctions, of course we always have been mindful about the impact of been mindful about the impact of them been mindful about the impact of them on been mindful about the impact of them on children, been mindful about the impact of them on children, in been mindful about the impact of them on children, in particular. them on children, in particular. Again, them on children, in particular. Again, in them on children, in particular. Again, in terms them on children, in particular. Again, in terms of them on children, in particular. Again, in terms of any Again, in terms of any announcements, Again, in terms of any announcements, you'll Again, in terms of any announcements, you'll have Again, in terms of any announcements, you'll have to Again, in terms of any announcements, you'll have to wait announcements, you'll have to wait until announcements, you'll have to wait until the announcements, you'll have to wait until the government announcements, you'll have to wait until the government formalises announcements, you'll have to wait until the government formalises its until the government formalises its response. until the government formalises its response. If until the government formalises its response. If she until the government formalises its response. If she and until the government formalises its response. If she and her until the government formalises its response. If she and her government response. If she and her government have response. If she and her government have made response. If she and her government have made no response. If she and her government have made no secret response. If she and her government have made no secret of response. If she and her government have made no secret of the response. If she and her government have made no secret of the fact response. If she and her government have made no secret of the fact they have made no secret of the fact they are have made no secret of the fact they are uncomfortable have made no secret of the fact they are uncomfortable with have made no secret of the fact they are uncomfortable with the have made no secret of the fact they are uncomfortable with the sanctions are uncomfortable with the sanctions and are uncomfortable with the sanctions and obligations, are uncomfortable with the sanctions and obligations, why are uncomfortable with the sanctions and obligations, why haven't are uncomfortable with the sanctions and obligations, why haven't changes and obligations, why haven't changes be and obligations, why haven't changes be made and obligations, why haven't changes be made and and obligations, why haven't changes be made and will and obligations, why haven't changes be made and will changes and obligations, why haven't changes be made and will changes be and obligations, why haven't changes be made and will changes be made be made and will changes be made when be made and will changes be made when the be made and will changes be made when the welfare be made and will changes be made when the welfare advisory be made and will changes be made when the welfare advisory group when the welfare advisory group report when the welfare advisory group report and when the welfare advisory group report and the when the welfare advisory group report and the government's report and the government's decisions report and the government's decisions come report and the government's decisions come back? report and the government's decisions come back? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Veterans: My question is to the Minister for Veterans: What My question is to the Minister for Veterans: What announcements My question is to the Minister for Veterans: What announcements has My question is to the Minister for Veterans: What announcements has he Veterans: What announcements has he made Veterans: What announcements has he made regarding Veterans: What announcements has he made regarding funding Veterans: What announcements has he made regarding funding for Veterans: What announcements has he made regarding funding for veterans' made regarding funding for veterans' support? The The Hon The Hon Ron The Hon Ron Marks. The Hon Ron Marks. Mr The Hon Ron Marks. Mr Speaker, The Hon Ron Marks. Mr Speaker, last The Hon Ron Marks. Mr Speaker, last week The Hon Ron Marks. Mr Speaker, last week I The Hon Ron Marks. Mr Speaker, last week I announced The Hon Ron Marks. Mr Speaker, last week I announced additional The Hon Ron Marks. Mr Speaker, last week I announced additional funding week I announced additional funding to week I announced additional funding to support week I announced additional funding to support the week I announced additional funding to support the wellbeing week I announced additional funding to support the wellbeing of week I announced additional funding to support the wellbeing of veterans to support the wellbeing of veterans and to support the wellbeing of veterans and their to support the wellbeing of veterans and their families. to support the wellbeing of veterans and their families. The to support the wellbeing of veterans and their families. The funding to support the wellbeing of veterans and their families. The funding will and their families. The funding will be and their families. The funding will be used and their families. The funding will be used to and their families. The funding will be used to meet and their families. The funding will be used to meet overincreasing be used to meet overincreasing demands be used to meet overincreasing demands for be used to meet overincreasing demands for services be used to meet overincreasing demands for services and be used to meet overincreasing demands for services and for be used to meet overincreasing demands for services and for new demands for services and for new health demands for services and for new health and demands for services and for new health and wellbeing demands for services and for new health and wellbeing assistance demands for services and for new health and wellbeing assistance to health and wellbeing assistance to ensure health and wellbeing assistance to ensure that health and wellbeing assistance to ensure that our health and wellbeing assistance to ensure that our veterans health and wellbeing assistance to ensure that our veterans are health and wellbeing assistance to ensure that our veterans are link ensure that our veterans are link need ensure that our veterans are link need the ensure that our veterans are link need the right ensure that our veterans are link need the right services ensure that our veterans are link need the right services when ensure that our veterans are link need the right services when they need the right services when they leave need the right services when they leave the need the right services when they leave the Defence need the right services when they leave the Defence Force. need the right services when they leave the Defence Force. I need the right services when they leave the Defence Force. I also leave the Defence Force. I also announced leave the Defence Force. I also announced additional leave the Defence Force. I also announced additional capital leave the Defence Force. I also announced additional capital funding announced additional capital funding to announced additional capital funding to improve announced additional capital funding to improve the announced additional capital funding to improve the application announced additional capital funding to improve the application and announced additional capital funding to improve the application and IT to improve the application and IT systems to improve the application and IT systems at to improve the application and IT systems at Veterans' to improve the application and IT systems at Veterans' Affairs to improve the application and IT systems at Veterans' Affairs to to improve the application and IT systems at Veterans' Affairs to make systems at Veterans' Affairs to make it systems at Veterans' Affairs to make it easier systems at Veterans' Affairs to make it easier to systems at Veterans' Affairs to make it easier to get systems at Veterans' Affairs to make it easier to get assistance systems at Veterans' Affairs to make it easier to get assistance online it easier to get assistance online and it easier to get assistance online and to it easier to get assistance online and to free it easier to get assistance online and to free up it easier to get assistance online and to free up case it easier to get assistance online and to free up case managers it easier to get assistance online and to free up case managers to and to free up case managers to provide and to free up case managers to provide better and to free up case managers to provide better support and to free up case managers to provide better support for and to free up case managers to provide better support for more provide better support for more complex provide better support for more complex cases. provide better support for more complex cases. This provide better support for more complex cases. This is provide better support for more complex cases. This is on provide better support for more complex cases. This is on top provide better support for more complex cases. This is on top of provide better support for more complex cases. This is on top of the complex cases. This is on top of the extra complex cases. This is on top of the extra 250,000 complex cases. This is on top of the extra 250,000 we complex cases. This is on top of the extra 250,000 we allocated complex cases. This is on top of the extra 250,000 we allocated to complex cases. 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Why are have donated to the No Duff charitable trust. Why are early charitable trust. Why are early interventions charitable trust. Why are early interventions for charitable trust. Why are early interventions for veterans interventions for veterans important? interventions for veterans important? Mr interventions for veterans important? Mr Speaker, interventions for veterans important? Mr Speaker, whilst interventions for veterans important? Mr Speaker, whilst there important? Mr Speaker, whilst there are important? Mr Speaker, whilst there are approximately important? Mr Speaker, whilst there are approximately 11,000 important? Mr Speaker, whilst there are approximately 11,000 veterans are approximately 11,000 veterans from are approximately 11,000 veterans from World are approximately 11,000 veterans from World War are approximately 11,000 veterans from World War II, are approximately 11,000 veterans from World War II, Korea, are approximately 11,000 veterans from World War II, Korea, Malaya are approximately 11,000 veterans from World War II, Korea, Malaya and from World War II, Korea, Malaya and Vietnam, from World War II, Korea, Malaya and Vietnam, we from World War II, Korea, Malaya and Vietnam, we now from World War II, Korea, Malaya and Vietnam, we now have from World War II, Korea, Malaya and Vietnam, we now have upwards from World War II, Korea, Malaya and Vietnam, we now have upwards of Vietnam, we now have upwards of 31,000 Vietnam, we now have upwards of 31,000 contemporary Vietnam, we now have upwards of 31,000 contemporary veterans Vietnam, we now have upwards of 31,000 contemporary veterans in Vietnam, we now have upwards of 31,000 contemporary veterans in New 31,000 contemporary veterans in New Zealand, 31,000 contemporary veterans in New Zealand, that 31,000 contemporary veterans in New Zealand, that is 31,000 contemporary veterans in New Zealand, that is people 31,000 contemporary veterans in New Zealand, that is people who 31,000 contemporary veterans in New Zealand, that is people who have Zealand, that is people who have seen Zealand, that is people who have seen active Zealand, that is people who have seen active service Zealand, that is people who have seen active service since Zealand, that is people who have seen active service since 1971. Zealand, that is people who have seen active service since 1971. Many seen active service since 1971. Many of seen active service since 1971. Many of these seen active service since 1971. Many of these vets seen active service since 1971. Many of these vets return seen active service since 1971. Many of these vets return with of these vets return with service-related of these vets return with service-related mental of these vets return with service-related mental health service-related mental health issues, service-related mental health issues, in service-related mental health issues, in particular service-related mental health issues, in particular post-traumatic issues, in particular post-traumatic stress issues, in particular post-traumatic stress syndrome. issues, in particular post-traumatic stress syndrome. Where issues, in particular post-traumatic stress syndrome. Where we issues, in particular post-traumatic stress syndrome. Where we see issues, in particular post-traumatic stress syndrome. Where we see severe stress syndrome. Where we see severe and stress syndrome. Where we see severe and complex stress syndrome. Where we see severe and complex PTSD stress syndrome. Where we see severe and complex PTSD conditions stress syndrome. Where we see severe and complex PTSD conditions amount and complex PTSD conditions amount it and complex PTSD conditions amount it is and complex PTSD conditions amount it is paramount and complex PTSD conditions amount it is paramount they and complex PTSD conditions amount it is paramount they be and complex PTSD conditions amount it is paramount they be looked and complex PTSD conditions amount it is paramount they be looked at it is paramount they be looked at and it is paramount they be looked at and preventions it is paramount they be looked at and preventions put it is paramount they be looked at and preventions put in it is paramount they be looked at and preventions put in place it is paramount they be looked at and preventions put in place that and preventions put in place that lead and preventions put in place that lead to and preventions put in place that lead to suicide. and preventions put in place that lead to suicide. It and preventions put in place that lead to suicide. It is and preventions put in place that lead to suicide. It is with and preventions put in place that lead to suicide. It is with all and preventions put in place that lead to suicide. It is with all of lead to suicide. It is with all of this lead to suicide. It is with all of this in lead to suicide. It is with all of this in mind lead to suicide. It is with all of this in mind and lead to suicide. It is with all of this in mind and the lead to suicide. It is with all of this in mind and the government's this in mind and the government's focus this in mind and the government's focus on this in mind and the government's focus on health this in mind and the government's focus on health and this in mind and the government's focus on health and wellbeing this in mind and the government's focus on health and wellbeing that focus on health and wellbeing that we focus on health and wellbeing that we decided focus on health and wellbeing that we decided to focus on health and wellbeing that we decided to put focus on health and wellbeing that we decided to put in focus on health and wellbeing that we decided to put in the focus on health and wellbeing that we decided to put in the extra we decided to put in the extra funding. we decided to put in the extra funding. Supplementary we decided to put in the extra funding. Supplementary to we decided to put in the extra funding. Supplementary to the funding. 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Over the next four years, there will be a 2.1 four years, there will be a 2.1 million four years, there will be a 2.1 million dollar four years, there will be a 2.1 million dollar boost four years, there will be a 2.1 million dollar boost in four years, there will be a 2.1 million dollar boost in operating million dollar boost in operating funding, million dollar boost in operating funding, representing million dollar boost in operating funding, representing a million dollar boost in operating funding, representing a 5.4% funding, representing a 5.4% increase funding, representing a 5.4% increase in funding, representing a 5.4% increase in current funding, representing a 5.4% increase in current Veterans' increase in current Veterans' Affairs increase in current Veterans' Affairs baseline. increase in current Veterans' Affairs baseline. Capital increase in current Veterans' Affairs baseline. Capital funding Affairs baseline. Capital funding totalling Affairs baseline. 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It is money that will be very well spent money that will be very well spent and money that will be very well spent and the money that will be very well spent and the changes money that will be very well spent and the changes will money that will be very well spent and the changes will enhance money that will be very well spent and the changes will enhance support and the changes will enhance support and and the changes will enhance support and services and the changes will enhance support and services to and the changes will enhance support and services to our and the changes will enhance support and services to our veterans and the changes will enhance support and services to our veterans and and services to our veterans and their and services to our veterans and their families, and services to our veterans and their families, ultimately and services to our veterans and their families, ultimately leading their families, ultimately leading to their families, ultimately leading to improvements their families, ultimately leading to improvements and their families, ultimately leading to improvements and wellbeing their families, ultimately leading to improvements and wellbeing and to improvements and wellbeing and better to improvements and wellbeing and better transitioning to improvements and wellbeing and better transitioning into to improvements and wellbeing and better transitioning into civilian better transitioning into civilian life. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by all My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by all of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by all of the Finance: Does he stand by all of the Government's Finance: Does he stand by all of the Government's statements, Finance: Does he stand by all of the Government's statements, policies, Government's statements, policies, and Government's statements, policies, and actions Government's statements, policies, and actions in Government's statements, policies, and actions in relation Government's statements, policies, and actions in relation to Government's statements, policies, and actions in relation to the and actions in relation to the economy? The The Hon The Hon Grant The Hon Grant Robertson. The Hon Grant Robertson. Yes, The Hon Grant Robertson. Yes, in The Hon Grant Robertson. Yes, in the The Hon Grant Robertson. Yes, in the context The Hon Grant Robertson. Yes, in the context in The Hon Grant Robertson. Yes, in the context in which The Hon Grant Robertson. Yes, in the context in which they The Hon Grant Robertson. Yes, in the context in which they were The Hon Grant Robertson. Yes, in the context in which they were given, context in which they were given, made context in which they were given, made and context in which they were given, made and undertaken. context in which they were given, made and undertaken. How context in which they were given, made and undertaken. How does context in which they were given, made and undertaken. How does he made and undertaken. How does he reconcile made and undertaken. How does he reconcile his made and undertaken. How does he reconcile his statement made and undertaken. How does he reconcile his statement that made and undertaken. 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Mr Speaker, I understand that for everybody who pays rent, that for everybody who pays rent, they that for everybody who pays rent, they monitor that for everybody who pays rent, they monitor very that for everybody who pays rent, they monitor very closely that for everybody who pays rent, they monitor very closely the they monitor very closely the fluctuations they monitor very closely the fluctuations in they monitor very closely the fluctuations in rent they monitor very closely the fluctuations in rent and they monitor very closely the fluctuations in rent and I they monitor very closely the fluctuations in rent and I can they monitor very closely the fluctuations in rent and I can say fluctuations in rent and I can say that fluctuations in rent and I can say that between fluctuations in rent and I can say that between February fluctuations in rent and I can say that between February and fluctuations in rent and I can say that between February and March, fluctuations in rent and I can say that between February and March, the that between February and March, the geometric that between February and March, the geometric mean that between February and March, the geometric mean rents, that between February and March, the geometric mean rents, which that between February and March, the geometric mean rents, which we that between February and March, the geometric mean rents, which we know geometric mean rents, which we know we geometric mean rents, which we know we have geometric mean rents, which we know we have covered geometric mean rents, which we know we have covered in geometric mean rents, which we know we have covered in this geometric mean rents, which we know we have covered in this House we have covered in this House before, we have covered in this House before, have, we have covered in this House before, have, in we have covered in this House before, have, in fact, we have covered in this House before, have, in fact, fallen. we have covered in this House before, have, in fact, fallen. 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Is it a sign referencing the wellbeing budget. Is it a sign that referencing the wellbeing budget. Is it a sign that wellbeing referencing the wellbeing budget. Is it a sign that wellbeing of referencing the wellbeing budget. Is it a sign that wellbeing of New it a sign that wellbeing of New Zealanders it a sign that wellbeing of New Zealanders is it a sign that wellbeing of New Zealanders is improving it a sign that wellbeing of New Zealanders is improving when it a sign that wellbeing of New Zealanders is improving when the Zealanders is improving when the number Zealanders is improving when the number of Zealanders is improving when the number of New Zealanders is improving when the number of New Zealanders Zealanders is improving when the number of New Zealanders who Zealanders is improving when the number of New Zealanders who now number of New Zealanders who now need number of New Zealanders who now need emergency number of New Zealanders who now need emergency housing number of New Zealanders who now need emergency housing grants number of New Zealanders who now need emergency housing grants has need emergency housing grants has gone need emergency housing grants has gone up need emergency housing grants has gone up more need emergency housing grants has gone up more than need emergency housing grants has gone up more than 300% need emergency housing grants has gone up more than 300% under need emergency housing grants has gone up more than 300% under his gone up more than 300% under his government? gone up more than 300% under his government? 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Mr Speaker, I think everyone in this House shares the everyone in this House shares the view everyone in this House shares the view that everyone in this House shares the view that we everyone in this House shares the view that we need everyone in this House shares the view that we need to everyone in this House shares the view that we need to do everyone in this House shares the view that we need to do more everyone in this House shares the view that we need to do more in everyone in this House shares the view that we need to do more in New view that we need to do more in New Zealand view that we need to do more in New Zealand to view that we need to do more in New Zealand to deal view that we need to do more in New Zealand to deal with view that we need to do more in New Zealand to deal with the view that we need to do more in New Zealand to deal with the housing Zealand to deal with the housing crisis Zealand to deal with the housing crisis that Zealand to deal with the housing crisis that developed Zealand to deal with the housing crisis that developed over Zealand to deal with the housing crisis that developed over the Zealand to deal with the housing crisis that developed over the last crisis that developed over the last decade. crisis that developed over the last decade. What crisis that developed over the last decade. What this crisis that developed over the last decade. What this government crisis that developed over the last decade. What this government has decade. What this government has done decade. What this government has done has decade. What this government has done has gotten decade. What this government has done has gotten on decade. What this government has done has gotten on with decade. What this government has done has gotten on with building done has gotten on with building more done has gotten on with building more houses, done has gotten on with building more houses, including done has gotten on with building more houses, including around done has gotten on with building more houses, including around 1,600 more houses, including around 1,600 houses more houses, including around 1,600 houses in more houses, including around 1,600 houses in the more houses, including around 1,600 houses in the past more houses, including around 1,600 houses in the past year, more houses, including around 1,600 houses in the past year, 6, more houses, including around 1,600 houses in the past year, 6, 400 more houses, including around 1,600 houses in the past year, 6, 400 over houses in the past year, 6, 400 over the houses in the past year, 6, 400 over the next houses in the past year, 6, 400 over the next four houses in the past year, 6, 400 over the next four years. houses in the past year, 6, 400 over the next four years. We houses in the past year, 6, 400 over the next four years. We are houses in the past year, 6, 400 over the next four years. We are actually the next four years. We are actually committed the next four years. We are actually committed to the next four years. We are actually committed to making the next four years. We are actually committed to making the the next four years. We are actually committed to making the changes the next four years. We are actually committed to making the changes and committed to making the changes and we committed to making the changes and we actually committed to making the changes and we actually acknowledge committed to making the changes and we actually acknowledge that committed to making the changes and we actually acknowledge that there we actually acknowledge that there was we actually acknowledge that there was a we actually acknowledge that there was a housing we actually acknowledge that there was a housing crisis, we actually acknowledge that there was a housing crisis, unlick we actually acknowledge that there was a housing crisis, unlick what was a housing crisis, unlick what that was a housing crisis, unlick what that member was a housing crisis, unlick what that member did was a housing crisis, unlick what that member did for was a housing crisis, unlick what that member did for the was a housing crisis, unlick what that member did for the last was a housing crisis, unlick what that member did for the last nine that member did for the last nine years. that member did for the last nine years. -- that member did for the last nine years. -- unlike that member did for the last nine years. -- unlike what that member did for the last nine years. -- unlike what that that member did for the last nine years. -- unlike what that member years. -- unlike what that member did years. -- unlike what that member did for years. -- unlike what that member did for the years. -- unlike what that member did for the last years. -- unlike what that member did for the last nine years. -- unlike what that member did for the last nine years. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Housing and Urban Development: Does Housing and Urban Development: Does he Housing and Urban Development: Does he stand Housing and Urban Development: Does he stand by Housing and Urban Development: Does he stand by his Housing and Urban Development: Does he stand by his answers Housing and Urban Development: Does he stand by his answers to Housing and Urban Development: Does he stand by his answers to oral Does he stand by his answers to oral question Does he stand by his answers to oral question No. Does he stand by his answers to oral question No. 6 Does he stand by his answers to oral question No. 6 on Does he stand by his answers to oral question No. 6 on 12 Does he stand by his answers to oral question No. 6 on 12 March Does he stand by his answers to oral question No. 6 on 12 March that question No. 6 on 12 March that "The question No. 6 on 12 March that "The test question No. 6 on 12 March that "The test applied question No. 6 on 12 March that "The test applied to question No. 6 on 12 March that "The test applied to determine "The test applied to determine whether "The test applied to determine whether a "The test applied to determine whether a KiwiBuild "The test applied to determine whether a KiwiBuild underwrite whether a KiwiBuild underwrite should whether a KiwiBuild underwrite should proceed whether a KiwiBuild underwrite should proceed is whether a KiwiBuild underwrite should proceed is additionality" whether a KiwiBuild underwrite should proceed is additionality" and should proceed is additionality" and that should proceed is additionality" and that "I'm should proceed is additionality" and that "I'm advised should proceed is additionality" and that "I'm advised that should proceed is additionality" and that "I'm advised that the should proceed is additionality" and that "I'm advised that the threshold that "I'm advised that the threshold can that "I'm advised that the threshold should that "I'm advised that the threshold can be met that "I'm advised that the threshold can be met in that "I'm advised that the threshold can be met in four that "I'm advised that the threshold can be met in four key that "I'm advised that the threshold can be met in four key ways"? The The Hon The Hon Phil The Hon Phil Twyford. The Hon Phil Twyford. Yes, The Hon Phil Twyford. Yes, in The Hon Phil Twyford. Yes, in its The Hon Phil Twyford. Yes, in its original The Hon Phil Twyford. Yes, in its original context. The Hon Phil Twyford. Yes, in its original context. Does The Hon Phil Twyford. Yes, in its original context. Does he The Hon Phil Twyford. Yes, in its original context. Does he have original context. Does he have confidence original context. Does he have confidence additionality original context. Does he have confidence additionality tests confidence additionality tests undertaken confidence additionality tests undertaken so confidence additionality tests undertaken so far confidence additionality tests undertaken so far have confidence additionality tests undertaken so far have been confidence additionality tests undertaken so far have been robust undertaken so far have been robust enough undertaken so far have been robust enough to undertaken so far have been robust enough to determine undertaken so far have been robust enough to determine whether undertaken so far have been robust enough to determine whether a enough to determine whether a KiwiBuild enough to determine whether a KiwiBuild development enough to determine whether a KiwiBuild development should KiwiBuild development should proceed? KiwiBuild development should proceed? Yes. KiwiBuild development should proceed? Yes. Has KiwiBuild development should proceed? Yes. Has he KiwiBuild development should proceed? Yes. Has he seen KiwiBuild development should proceed? Yes. Has he seen any KiwiBuild development should proceed? Yes. Has he seen any of KiwiBuild development should proceed? Yes. Has he seen any of the proceed? Yes. Has he seen any of the additionality proceed? Yes. Has he seen any of the additionality tests proceed? Yes. Has he seen any of the additionality tests that proceed? Yes. Has he seen any of the additionality tests that were additionality tests that were undertaken? additionality tests that were undertaken? Those additionality tests that were undertaken? Those additionality undertaken? Those additionality tests undertaken? Those additionality undertaken? undertaken? Those additionality tests are carried undertaken? Those additionality tests are carried out undertaken? Those additionality tests are carried out by undertaken? Those additionality tests are carried out by officials tests are carried out by officials in tests are carried out by officials in the tests are carried out by officials in the Ministry tests are carried out by officials in the Ministry of tests are carried out by officials in the Ministry of Housing tests are carried out by officials in the Ministry of Housing and tests are carried out by officials in the Ministry of Housing and Urban in the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development in the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development and in the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development and I in the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development and I am in the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development and I am advised in the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development and I am advised by Development and I am advised by those Development and I am advised by those officials Development and I am advised by those officials that Development and I am advised by those officials that the Development and I am advised by those officials that the test Development and I am advised by those officials that the test is those officials that the test is conducted those officials that the test is conducted in those officials that the test is conducted in each those officials that the test is conducted in each case. those officials that the test is conducted in each case. Is those officials that the test is conducted in each case. Is he conducted in each case. Is he surprised conducted in each case. Is he surprised to conducted in each case. Is he surprised to hear conducted in each case. Is he surprised to hear that conducted in each case. Is he surprised to hear that the conducted in each case. Is he surprised to hear that the Ministry surprised to hear that the Ministry of surprised to hear that the Ministry of Housing surprised to hear that the Ministry of Housing and surprised to hear that the Ministry of Housing and Urban surprised to hear that the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development of Housing and Urban Development have of Housing and Urban Development have advised of Housing and Urban Development have advised when of Housing and Urban Development have advised when asked of Housing and Urban Development have advised when asked for of Housing and Urban Development have advised when asked for a of Housing and Urban Development have advised when asked for a copy have advised when asked for a copy of have advised when asked for a copy of additionality have advised when asked for a copy of additionality tests have advised when asked for a copy of additionality tests that have advised when asked for a copy of additionality tests that these of additionality tests that these tests of additionality tests that these tests are of additionality tests that these tests are done of additionality tests that these tests are done verbally of additionality tests that these tests are done verbally with tests are done verbally with builders tests are done verbally with builders and tests are done verbally with builders and no tests are done verbally with builders and no written tests are done verbally with builders and no written record builders and no written record existed? builders and no written record existed? 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Well, I was surprised to learn that, too. learn that, too. <LAUGHTER> <LAUGHTER> But <LAUGHTER> But I <LAUGHTER> But I am <LAUGHTER> But I am advised <LAUGHTER> But I am advised that <LAUGHTER> But I am advised that there <LAUGHTER> But I am advised that there are But I am advised that there are other But I am advised that there are other documents But I am advised that there are other documents and But I am advised that there are other documents and that But I am advised that there are other documents and that the other documents and that the ministry other documents and that the ministry will other documents and that the ministry will clarify other documents and that the ministry will clarify its other documents and that the ministry will clarify its response ministry will clarify its response to ministry will clarify its response to the ministry will clarify its response to the National ministry will clarify its response to the National Party ministry will clarify its response to the National Party Research ministry will clarify its response to the National Party Research Unit to the National Party Research Unit later to the National Party Research Unit later today. to the National Party Research Unit later today. However, to the National Party Research Unit later today. However, Mr to the National Party Research Unit later today. However, Mr Speaker, later today. However, Mr Speaker, the later today. However, Mr Speaker, the point later today. However, Mr Speaker, the point is later today. However, Mr Speaker, the point is that later today. However, Mr Speaker, the point is that KiwiBuild later today. However, Mr Speaker, the point is that KiwiBuild reduces the point is that KiwiBuild reduces the the point is that KiwiBuild reduces the price the point is that KiwiBuild reduces the price paid the point is that KiwiBuild reduces the price paid for the point is that KiwiBuild reduces the price paid for those the point is that KiwiBuild reduces the price paid for those houses the point is that KiwiBuild reduces the price paid for those houses by the price paid for those houses by first the price paid for those houses by first home the price paid for those houses by first home buyers. the price paid for those houses by first home buyers. It the price paid for those houses by first home buyers. It enables the price paid for those houses by first home buyers. It enables new first home buyers. It enables new affordable first home buyers. It enables new affordable homes first home buyers. It enables new affordable homes to first home buyers. It enables new affordable homes to be first home buyers. It enables new affordable homes to be brought first home buyers. It enables new affordable homes to be brought to affordable homes to be brought to the affordable homes to be brought to the market affordable homes to be brought to the market more affordable homes to be brought to the market more quickly affordable homes to be brought to the market more quickly and affordable homes to be brought to the market more quickly and our the market more quickly and our government the market more quickly and our government makes the market more quickly and our government makes no the market more quickly and our government makes no apologies the market more quickly and our government makes no apologies for government makes no apologies for backing government makes no apologies for backing builders government makes no apologies for backing builders to government makes no apologies for backing builders to build government makes no apologies for backing builders to build more backing builders to build more affordable backing builders to build more affordable homes. backing builders to build more affordable homes. Is backing builders to build more affordable homes. Is it backing builders to build more affordable homes. Is it acceptable affordable homes. Is it acceptable for affordable homes. Is it acceptable for the affordable homes. Is it acceptable for the Ministry affordable homes. Is it acceptable for the Ministry of affordable homes. Is it acceptable for the Ministry of Housing affordable homes. Is it acceptable for the Ministry of Housing and for the Ministry of Housing and Urban for the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development for the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development to for the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development to be for the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development to be so for the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development to be so - for the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development to be so - playing Urban Development to be so - playing so Urban Development to be so - playing so fast Urban Development to be so - playing so fast and Urban Development to be so - playing so fast and loose Urban Development to be so - playing so fast and loose with Urban Development to be so - playing so fast and loose with their so fast and loose with their response so fast and loose with their response as so fast and loose with their response as to so fast and loose with their response as to how so fast and loose with their response as to how these so fast and loose with their response as to how these signoffs response as to how these signoffs for response as to how these signoffs for $700 response as to how these signoffs for $700 million response as to how these signoffs for $700 million worth response as to how these signoffs for $700 million worth of response as to how these signoffs for $700 million worth of homes response as to how these signoffs for $700 million worth of homes have for $700 million worth of homes have been for $700 million worth of homes have been assessed? for $700 million worth of homes have been assessed? 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The ministry's work in this area. The point ministry's work in this area. The point is ministry's work in this area. The point is that ministry's work in this area. The point is that in ministry's work in this area. The point is that in the ministry's work in this area. The point is that in the case ministry's work in this area. The point is that in the case of, ministry's work in this area. The point is that in the case of, for point is that in the case of, for example, point is that in the case of, for example, the point is that in the case of, for example, the Migrea point is that in the case of, for example, the Migrea deal, point is that in the case of, for example, the Migrea deal, 100 example, the Migrea deal, 100 affordable example, the Migrea deal, 100 affordable homes example, the Migrea deal, 100 affordable homes brought example, the Migrea deal, 100 affordable homes brought to example, the Migrea deal, 100 affordable homes brought to the affordable homes brought to the market affordable homes brought to the market more affordable homes brought to the market more cheaply affordable homes brought to the market more cheaply and affordable homes brought to the market more cheaply and more affordable homes brought to the market more cheaply and more quickly market more cheaply and more quickly for market more cheaply and more quickly for the market more cheaply and more quickly for the benefit market more cheaply and more quickly for the benefit of market more cheaply and more quickly for the benefit of first market more cheaply and more quickly for the benefit of first home for the benefit of first home buyers. for the benefit of first home buyers. Is for the benefit of first home buyers. Is the for the benefit of first home buyers. Is the quality for the benefit of first home buyers. Is the quality of for the benefit of first home buyers. Is the quality of the buyers. Is the quality of the response buyers. Is the quality of the response from buyers. Is the quality of the response from his buyers. Is the quality of the response from his ministry buyers. Is the quality of the response from his ministry dependent response from his ministry dependent on response from his ministry dependent on who response from his ministry dependent on who is response from his ministry dependent on who is asking response from his ministry dependent on who is asking the response from his ministry dependent on who is asking the question? response from his ministry dependent on who is asking the question? No, on who is asking the question? No, not on who is asking the question? No, not at on who is asking the question? No, not at all. not at all. <LAUGHTER> <LAUGHTER> Question <LAUGHTER> Question No. <LAUGHTER> Question No. 6. <LAUGHTER> Question No. 6. Rino <LAUGHTER> Question No. 6. Rino Tirikatene. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister responsible My question is to the Minister responsible for My question is to the Minister responsible for Pike My question is to the Minister responsible for Pike River My question is to the Minister responsible for Pike River Re-entry: responsible for Pike River Re-entry: What responsible for Pike River Re-entry: What actions responsible for Pike River Re-entry: What actions is responsible for Pike River Re-entry: What actions is the responsible for Pike River Re-entry: What actions is the Government What actions is the Government taking What actions is the Government taking to What actions is the Government taking to meet What actions is the Government taking to meet its What actions is the Government taking to meet its pledge What actions is the Government taking to meet its pledge to taking to meet its pledge to re-enter taking to meet its pledge to re-enter the taking to meet its pledge to re-enter the Pike taking to meet its pledge to re-enter the Pike River taking to meet its pledge to re-enter the Pike River mine? The The Hon The Hon Andrew The Hon Andrew Little. The Hon Andrew Little. Mr The Hon Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, The Hon Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, on The Hon Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, on Friday, The Hon Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, on Friday, 3 The Hon Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, on Friday, 3 May, The Hon Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, on Friday, 3 May, the The Hon Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, on Friday, 3 May, the coalition on Friday, 3 May, the coalition government on Friday, 3 May, the coalition government will on Friday, 3 May, the coalition government will start on Friday, 3 May, the coalition government will start the on Friday, 3 May, the coalition government will start the process on Friday, 3 May, the coalition government will start the process of government will start the process of re-entering government will start the process of re-entering the government will start the process of re-entering the Pike government will start the process of re-entering the Pike River government will start the process of re-entering the Pike River mine re-entering the Pike River mine drift re-entering the Pike River mine drift following re-entering the Pike River mine drift following the re-entering the Pike River mine drift following the tragic re-entering the Pike River mine drift following the tragic loss re-entering the Pike River mine drift following the tragic loss of drift following the tragic loss of 29 drift following the tragic loss of 29 lives drift following the tragic loss of 29 lives in drift following the tragic loss of 29 lives in the drift following the tragic loss of 29 lives in the 2010 drift following the tragic loss of 29 lives in the 2010 disaster. drift following the tragic loss of 29 lives in the 2010 disaster. This 29 lives in the 2010 disaster. This is 29 lives in the 2010 disaster. This is the 29 lives in the 2010 disaster. This is the first 29 lives in the 2010 disaster. This is the first step 29 lives in the 2010 disaster. This is the first step in 29 lives in the 2010 disaster. This is the first step in meeting 29 lives in the 2010 disaster. This is the first step in meeting our is the first step in meeting our pledge is the first step in meeting our pledge of is the first step in meeting our pledge of re-entering is the first step in meeting our pledge of re-entering the is the first step in meeting our pledge of re-entering the drift. pledge of re-entering the drift. Re-entry pledge of re-entering the drift. Re-entry will pledge of re-entering the drift. Re-entry will allow pledge of re-entering the drift. Re-entry will allow the pledge of re-entering the drift. Re-entry will allow the thorough Re-entry will allow the thorough investigation Re-entry will allow the thorough investigation of Re-entry will allow the thorough investigation of the Re-entry will allow the thorough investigation of the drift Re-entry will allow the thorough investigation of the drift which investigation of the drift which will investigation of the drift which will hopefully investigation of the drift which will hopefully allow investigation of the drift which will hopefully allow us investigation of the drift which will hopefully allow us to investigation of the drift which will hopefully allow us to better will hopefully allow us to better understand will hopefully allow us to better understand what will hopefully allow us to better understand what caused will hopefully allow us to better understand what caused this will hopefully allow us to better understand what caused this dreadful understand what caused this dreadful loss. understand what caused this dreadful loss. 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I started looking into these deductions in more on Section 192. I started looking into these deductions in more detail into these deductions in more detail in into these deductions in more detail in November into these deductions in more detail in November 2017 into these deductions in more detail in November 2017 and into these deductions in more detail in November 2017 and have into these deductions in more detail in November 2017 and have continued in November 2017 and have continued to in November 2017 and have continued to do in November 2017 and have continued to do work in November 2017 and have continued to do work in in November 2017 and have continued to do work in this in November 2017 and have continued to do work in this area. in November 2017 and have continued to do work in this area. MSD, to do work in this area. MSD, alongside to do work in this area. MSD, alongside others, to do work in this area. MSD, alongside others, recently to do work in this area. 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This evidence reflects these sanctions are not in the best sanctions are not in the best interests sanctions are not in the best interests of sanctions are not in the best interests of children sanctions are not in the best interests of children and sanctions are not in the best interests of children and there sanctions are not in the best interests of children and there is interests of children and there is no interests of children and there is no evidence interests of children and there is no evidence that interests of children and there is no evidence that they interests of children and there is no evidence that they have interests of children and there is no evidence that they have achieved no evidence that they have achieved their no evidence that they have achieved their original no evidence that they have achieved their original objective no evidence that they have achieved their original objective to their original objective to encourage their original objective to encourage child their original objective to encourage child support encourage child support applications. encourage child support applications. 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I also have seen international evidence which international evidence which suggests international evidence which international international evidence which suggests that a international evidence which suggests that a very international evidence which suggests that a very harsh international evidence which suggests that a very harsh sanctions suggests that a very harsh sanctions regime suggests that a very harsh sanctions regime can suggests that a very harsh sanctions regime can have suggests that a very harsh sanctions regime can have adverse suggests that a very harsh sanctions regime can have adverse effects suggests that a very harsh sanctions regime can have adverse effects that regime can have adverse effects that drive regime can have adverse effects that drive people regime can have adverse effects that drive people away regime can have adverse effects that drive people away from, regime can have adverse effects that drive people away from, rather regime can have adverse effects that drive people away from, rather than drive people away from, rather than closer drive people away from, rather than closer to, drive people away from, rather than closer to, employment. drive people away from, rather than closer to, employment. So, drive people away from, rather than closer to, employment. So, is drive people away from, rather than closer to, employment. So, is the closer to, employment. So, is the Minister closer to, employment. So, is the Minister concerned closer to, employment. So, is the Minister concerned that, closer to, employment. So, is the Minister concerned that, despite Minister concerned that, despite this Minister concerned that, despite this reduction Minister concerned that, despite this reduction in Minister concerned that, despite this reduction in numbers, Minister concerned that, despite this reduction in numbers, there Minister concerned that, despite this reduction in numbers, there are this reduction in numbers, there are still this reduction in numbers, there are still over this reduction in numbers, there are still over 15,000 this reduction in numbers, there are still over 15,000 children this reduction in numbers, there are still over 15,000 children who this reduction in numbers, there are still over 15,000 children who are still over 15,000 children who are missing still over 15,000 children who are missing out still over 15,000 children who are missing out because still over 15,000 children who are missing out because of still over 15,000 children who are missing out because of this missing out because of this sanction? missing out because of this sanction? Mr missing out because of this sanction? Mr Speaker, missing out because of this sanction? Mr Speaker, yes, missing out because of this sanction? Mr Speaker, yes, I missing out because of this sanction? Mr Speaker, yes, I am sanction? Mr Speaker, yes, I am concerned sanction? Mr Speaker, yes, I am concerned about sanction? Mr Speaker, yes, I am concerned about that, sanction? 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Drug Foundation did not support that move. Simeon Drug Foundation did not support that move. Simeon Brown Drug Foundation did not support that move. Simeon Brown Is Drug Foundation did not support that move. Simeon Brown Is the Drug Foundation did not support that move. Simeon Brown Is the PM move. Simeon Brown Is the PM concerned move. Simeon Brown Is the PM concerned with move. Simeon Brown Is the PM concerned with the move. Simeon Brown Is the PM concerned with the report move. Simeon Brown Is the PM concerned with the report from move. Simeon Brown Is the PM concerned with the report from the concerned with the report from the Coroner concerned with the report from the Coroner to concerned with the report from the Coroner to say concerned with the report from the Coroner to say how concerned with the report from the Coroner to say how many concerned with the report from the Coroner to say how many have concerned with the report from the Coroner to say how many have died Coroner to say how many have died from Coroner to say how many have died from drugs Coroner to say how many have died from drugs and Coroner to say how many have died from drugs and is Coroner to say how many have died from drugs and is she Coroner to say how many have died from drugs and is she urgently from drugs and is she urgently committed from drugs and is she urgently committed to from drugs and is she urgently committed to addressing from drugs and is she urgently committed to addressing the from drugs and is she urgently committed to addressing the problem committed to addressing the problem with committed to addressing the problem with drugs? committed to addressing the problem with drugs? Yes. committed to addressing the problem with drugs? Yes. That committed to addressing the problem with drugs? Yes. That is committed to addressing the problem with drugs? Yes. That is why committed to addressing the problem with drugs? Yes. That is why the with drugs? Yes. That is why the patienty with drugs? Yes. That is why the patienty for with drugs? Yes. That is why the patienty for those with drugs? Yes. That is why the patienty for those who with drugs? Yes. That is why the patienty for those who manufacture patienty for those who manufacture and patienty for those who manufacture and supply patienty for those who manufacture and supply synthetic patienty for those who manufacture and supply synthetic cannabis and supply synthetic cannabis because and supply synthetic cannabis because we and supply synthetic cannabis because we are and supply synthetic cannabis because we are concerned and supply synthetic cannabis because we are concerned about and supply synthetic cannabis because we are concerned about the because we are concerned about the harm because we are concerned about the harm that because we are concerned about the harm that it because we are concerned about the harm that it is because we are concerned about the harm that it is doing. because we are concerned about the harm that it is doing. However, because we are concerned about the harm that it is doing. However, when harm that it is doing. However, when it harm that it is doing. However, when it comes harm that it is doing. However, when it comes to harm that it is doing. However, when it comes to those harm that it is doing. However, when it comes to those that harm that it is doing. However, when it comes to those that are harm that it is doing. However, when it comes to those that are users, harm that it is doing. However, when it comes to those that are users, we it comes to those that are users, we do it comes to those that are users, we do not it comes to those that are users, we do not believe it comes to those that are users, we do not believe that it comes to those that are users, we do not believe that the it comes to those that are users, we do not believe that the best it comes to those that are users, we do not believe that the best way it comes to those that are users, we do not believe that the best way to do not believe that the best way to prevent do not believe that the best way to prevent their do not believe that the best way to prevent their death do not believe that the best way to prevent their death is do not believe that the best way to prevent their death is by do not believe that the best way to prevent their death is by arresting prevent their death is by arresting them prevent their death is by arresting them and prevent their death is by arresting them and putting prevent their death is by arresting them and putting then prevent their death is by arresting them and putting then in prevent their death is by arresting them and putting then in prison, prevent their death is by arresting them and putting then in prison, but them and putting then in prison, but instead them and putting then in prison, but instead making them and putting then in prison, but instead making sure them and putting then in prison, but instead making sure they them and putting then in prison, but instead making sure they get them and putting then in prison, but instead making sure they get the instead making sure they get the treatment instead making sure they get the treatment and instead making sure they get the treatment and support instead making sure they get the treatment and support they instead making sure they get the treatment and support they need instead making sure they get the treatment and support they need to treatment and support they need to cease treatment and support they need to cease their treatment and support they need to cease their use treatment and support they need to cease their use of treatment and support they need to cease their use of dangerous treatment and support they need to cease their use of dangerous drugs. cease their use of dangerous drugs. Supplementary. cease their use of dangerous drugs. Supplementary. Will cease their use of dangerous drugs. Supplementary. Will the cease their use of dangerous drugs. Supplementary. Will the government Supplementary. Will the government support Supplementary. Will the government support the Supplementary. Will the government support the increasing Supplementary. Will the government support the increasing of Supplementary. Will the government support the increasing of penalties support the increasing of penalties for support the increasing of penalties for those support the increasing of penalties for those found support the increasing of penalties for those found guilty support the increasing of penalties for those found guilty of support the increasing of penalties for those found guilty of supplying for those found guilty of supplying dangerous for those found guilty of supplying dangerous psycho for those found guilty of supplying dangerous psycho active for those found guilty of supplying dangerous psycho active substances dangerous psycho active substances at dangerous psycho active substances at the dangerous psycho active substances at the third dangerous psycho active substances at the third reading dangerous psycho active substances at the third reading of dangerous psycho active substances at the third reading of my dangerous psycho active substances at the third reading of my member dangerous psycho active substances at the third reading of my member as at the third reading of my member as bill at the third reading of my member as bill today at the third reading of my member as bill today in at the third reading of my member as bill today in order at the third reading of my member as bill today in order to at the third reading of my member as bill today in order to urgently at the third reading of my member as bill today in order to urgently make bill today in order to urgently make our bill today in order to urgently make our communities bill today in order to urgently make our communities safer? bill today in order to urgently make our communities safer? No, bill today in order to urgently make our communities safer? No, because our communities safer? No, because our our communities safer? No, because our bill our communities safer? No, because our bill does our communities safer? No, because our bill does it our communities safer? No, because our bill does it in our communities safer? No, because our bill does it in a our communities safer? No, because our bill does it in a more our bill does it in a more substantive our bill does it in a more substantive way. our bill does it in a more substantive way. Can our bill does it in a more substantive way. Can the our bill does it in a more substantive way. Can the PM our bill does it in a more substantive way. Can the PM confirm substantive way. Can the PM confirm that substantive way. Can the PM confirm that the substantive way. Can the PM confirm that the confidence substantive way. Can the PM confirm that the confidence and substantive way. Can the PM confirm that the confidence and supply that the confidence and supply agreement that the confidence and supply agreement with that the confidence and supply agreement with the that the confidence and supply agreement with the Green that the confidence and supply agreement with the Green Party agreement with the Green Party requires agreement with the Green Party requires that agreement with the Green Party requires that this agreement with the Green Party requires that this government agreement with the Green Party requires that this government treats requires that this government treats drugs requires that this government treats drugs as requires that this government treats drugs as the requires that this government treats drugs as the health requires that this government treats drugs as the health issue requires that this government treats drugs as the health issue that requires that this government treats drugs as the health issue that they drugs as the health issue that they and drugs as the health issue that they and does drugs as the health issue that they and does she drugs as the health issue that they and does she believe drugs as the health issue that they and does she believe that drugs as the health issue that they and does she believe that this drugs as the health issue that they and does she believe that this is drugs as the health issue that they and does she believe that this is a and does she believe that this is a booter and does she believe that this is a booter approach and does she believe that this is a booter approach to and does she believe that this is a booter approach to solving and does she believe that this is a booter approach to solving problems booter approach to solving problems of booter approach to solving problems of addiction booter approach to solving problems of addiction being booter approach to solving problems of addiction being criminalisation? of addiction being criminalisation? Mr of addiction being criminalisation? Mr Speaker, of addiction being criminalisation? Mr Speaker, yes, of addiction being criminalisation? Mr Speaker, yes, and of addiction being criminalisation? Mr Speaker, yes, and all of addiction being criminalisation? Mr Speaker, yes, and all of of addiction being criminalisation? Mr Speaker, yes, and all of the Mr Speaker, yes, and all of the international Mr Speaker, yes, and all of the international evidence Mr Speaker, yes, and all of the international evidence backs Mr Speaker, yes, and all of the international evidence backs up Mr Speaker, yes, and all of the international evidence backs up that international evidence backs up that approach. international evidence backs up that approach. Question international evidence backs up that approach. Question No. international evidence backs up that approach. Question No. 10, international evidence backs up that approach. Question No. 10, Anahila approach. Question No. 10, Anahila Lose approach. Question No. 10, Anahila Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki approach. Question No. 10, Anahila Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. approach. Question No. 10, Anahila Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. Order. Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. Order. No, Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. Order. No, Ms Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. Order. No, Ms Bennett Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. Order. No, Ms Bennett - Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. Order. No, Ms Bennett - you Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. Order. No, Ms Bennett - you are Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. Order. No, Ms Bennett - you are arguing No, Ms Bennett - you are arguing louder. louder. <LAUGHTER> <LAUGHTER> It <LAUGHTER> It is <LAUGHTER> It is while <LAUGHTER> It is while I <LAUGHTER> It is while I am <LAUGHTER> It is while I am calling <LAUGHTER> It is while I am calling a <LAUGHTER> It is while I am calling a member, It is while I am calling a member, which It is while I am calling a member, which - It is while I am calling a member, which - both It is while I am calling a member, which - both of It is while I am calling a member, which - both of you It is while I am calling a member, which - both of you should It is while I am calling a member, which - both of you should know which - both of you should know better. which - both of you should know better. Anahila which - both of you should know better. Anahila Lose better. Anahila Lose Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. INTERPRETER: Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. INTERPRETER: Greetings, Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. INTERPRETER: Greetings, Mr Kanongata'a-Suisuiki. INTERPRETER: Greetings, Mr Speaker. INTERPRETER: Greetings, Mr Speaker. Question INTERPRETER: Greetings, Mr Speaker. Question to INTERPRETER: Greetings, Mr Speaker. Question to the INTERPRETER: Greetings, Mr Speaker. Question to the Minister INTERPRETER: Greetings, Mr Speaker. Question to the Minister of INTERPRETER: Greetings, Mr Speaker. Question to the Minister of Social Question to the Minister of Social Development. Question to the Minister of Social Development. The Question to the Minister of Social Development. The hon Question to the Minister of Social Development. The hon rail Question to the Minister of Social Development. The hon rail Carmel Development. The hon rail Carmel Sepuloni. Development. The hon rail Carmel Sepuloni. Last Development. The hon rail Carmel Sepuloni. Last year Development. The hon rail Carmel Sepuloni. Last year we Development. The hon rail Carmel Sepuloni. Last year we introduced Sepuloni. Last year we introduced the Sepuloni. Last year we introduced the Winter Sepuloni. Last year we introduced the Winter Energy Sepuloni. Last year we introduced the Winter Energy Payment Sepuloni. Last year we introduced the Winter Energy Payment which Sepuloni. Last year we introduced the Winter Energy Payment which was the Winter Energy Payment which was implemented the Winter Energy Payment which was implemented on the Winter Energy Payment which was implemented on 1 the Winter Energy Payment which was implemented on 1 July, the Winter Energy Payment which was implemented on 1 July, 2018 the Winter Energy Payment which was implemented on 1 July, 2018 as the Winter Energy Payment which was implemented on 1 July, 2018 as part implemented on 1 July, 2018 as part of implemented on 1 July, 2018 as part of the implemented on 1 July, 2018 as part of the government's implemented on 1 July, 2018 as part of the government's Families of the government's Families Package. of the government's Families Package. Single of the government's Families Package. Single people of the government's Families Package. Single people who of the government's Families Package. Single people who are Package. Single people who are eligible Package. Single people who are eligible will Package. Single people who are eligible will receive Package. Single people who are eligible will receive an Package. 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The extra $31.82 a week from 1 May to 1 October this year. The Winter extra $31.82 a week from 1 May to 1 October this year. The Winter Energy October this year. The Winter Energy Payment October this year. The Winter Energy Payment has October this year. The Winter Energy Payment has the October this year. The Winter Energy Payment has the largest October this year. The Winter Energy Payment has the largest eligible Payment has the largest eligible population Payment has the largest eligible population for Payment has the largest eligible population for financial Payment has the largest eligible population for financial support population for financial support within population for financial support within the population for financial support within the welfare population for financial support within the welfare system population for financial support within the welfare system and within the welfare system and benefits within the welfare system and benefits around within the welfare system and benefits around 1 within the welfare system and benefits around 1 million within the welfare system and benefits around 1 million New benefits around 1 million New Zealanders. benefits around 1 million New Zealanders. Under benefits around 1 million New Zealanders. Under this benefits around 1 million New Zealanders. Under this policy, benefits around 1 million New Zealanders. Under this policy, more Zealanders. Under this policy, more Kiwis Zealanders. Under this policy, more Kiwis will Zealanders. Under this policy, more Kiwis will receive Zealanders. Under this policy, more Kiwis will receive a Zealanders. Under this policy, more Kiwis will receive a helping Zealanders. Under this policy, more Kiwis will receive a helping hand Zealanders. Under this policy, more Kiwis will receive a helping hand to Kiwis will receive a helping hand to keep Kiwis will receive a helping hand to keep their Kiwis will receive a helping hand to keep their homes Kiwis will receive a helping hand to keep their homes warm Kiwis will receive a helping hand to keep their homes warm and Kiwis will receive a helping hand to keep their homes warm and dry Kiwis will receive a helping hand to keep their homes warm and dry over keep their homes warm and dry over the keep their homes warm and dry over the coming keep their homes warm and dry over the coming winter keep their homes warm and dry over the coming winter months. the coming winter months. INTERPRETER: the coming winter months. INTERPRETER: Supplementary the coming winter months. INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. What INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. What information INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. What information have INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. What information have you INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. What information have you received What information have you received about What information have you received about the What information have you received about the Winter What information have you received about the Winter Energy What information have you received about the Winter Energy Payment? about the Winter Energy Payment? Overwhelmingly, about the Winter Energy Payment? Overwhelmingly, the about the Winter Energy Payment? Overwhelmingly, the feedback about the Winter Energy Payment? Overwhelmingly, the feedback has Overwhelmingly, the feedback has been Overwhelmingly, the feedback has been positive. Overwhelmingly, the feedback has been positive. We Overwhelmingly, the feedback has been positive. We have Overwhelmingly, the feedback has been positive. We have had Overwhelmingly, the feedback has been positive. We have had people been positive. We have had people over been positive. We have had people over the been positive. We have had people over the year been positive. We have had people over the year tell been positive. We have had people over the year tell us been positive. We have had people over the year tell us what been positive. We have had people over the year tell us what a over the year tell us what a difference over the year tell us what a difference this over the year tell us what a difference this payment over the year tell us what a difference this payment has over the year tell us what a difference this payment has made, difference this payment has made, helping difference this payment has made, helping them difference this payment has made, helping them to difference this payment has made, helping them to keep difference this payment has made, helping them to keep their difference this payment has made, helping them to keep their homes helping them to keep their homes warmer helping them to keep their homes warmer and helping them to keep their homes warmer and themselves helping them to keep their homes warmer and themselves and helping them to keep their homes warmer and themselves and their warmer and themselves and their families warmer and themselves and their families healthier. warmer and themselves and their families healthier. Recently warmer and themselves and their families healthier. Recently I've families healthier. Recently I've had families healthier. Recently I've had people families healthier. Recently I've had people write families healthier. Recently I've had people write in families healthier. Recently I've had people write in to families healthier. Recently I've had people write in to say families healthier. Recently I've had people write in to say they families healthier. Recently I've had people write in to say they can had people write in to say they can finally had people write in to say they can finally use had people write in to say they can finally use their had people write in to say they can finally use their heating had people write in to say they can finally use their heating without finally use their heating without the finally use their heating without the fears finally use their heating without the fears of finally use their heating without the fears of it finally use their heating without the fears of it being finally use their heating without the fears of it being unafford finally use their heating without the fears of it being unafford ail the fears of it being unafford ail come the fears of it being unafford ail come the the fears of it being unafford ail come the end the fears of it being unafford ail come the end of the fears of it being unafford ail come the end of the the fears of it being unafford ail come the end of the month. the fears of it being unafford ail come the end of the month. Some the fears of it being unafford ail come the end of the month. Some have come the end of the month. Some have said come the end of the month. Some have said that come the end of the month. Some have said that the come the end of the month. Some have said that the additional come the end of the month. Some have said that the additional support said that the additional support almost said that the additional support almost brought said that the additional support almost brought them said that the additional support almost brought them to said that the additional support almost brought them to tears. said that the additional support almost brought them to tears. We said that the additional support almost brought them to tears. We are almost brought them to tears. We are proud almost brought them to tears. We are proud of almost brought them to tears. We are proud of the almost brought them to tears. We are proud of the impact almost brought them to tears. We are proud of the impact this almost brought them to tears. We are proud of the impact this payment almost brought them to tears. We are proud of the impact this payment is proud of the impact this payment is having proud of the impact this payment is having for proud of the impact this payment is having for Kiwis proud of the impact this payment is having for Kiwis across proud of the impact this payment is having for Kiwis across the proud of the impact this payment is having for Kiwis across the country. having for Kiwis across the country. Why having for Kiwis across the country. Why is having for Kiwis across the country. Why is this having for Kiwis across the country. Why is this important? having for Kiwis across the country. Why is this important? Mr having for Kiwis across the country. Why is this important? Mr Speaker, Why is this important? Mr Speaker, <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Mr <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker. Mr <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, winter <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, winter is Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, winter is coming. Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, winter is coming. <CHEERING> coming. <CHEERING> As coming. <CHEERING> As we coming. <CHEERING> As we know coming. <CHEERING> As we know every coming. <CHEERING> As we know every year coming. <CHEERING> As we know every year too coming. <CHEERING> As we know every year too many coming. <CHEERING> As we know every year too many of As we know every year too many of our As we know every year too many of our seniors As we know every year too many of our seniors are As we know every year too many of our seniors are hospitalised As we know every year too many of our seniors are hospitalised due As we know every year too many of our seniors are hospitalised due to our seniors are hospitalised due to respiratory our seniors are hospitalised due to respiratory illnesses our seniors are hospitalised due to respiratory illnesses during our seniors are hospitalised due to respiratory illnesses during this respiratory illnesses during this period. respiratory illnesses during this period. I respiratory illnesses during this period. I also respiratory illnesses during this period. I also have respiratory illnesses during this period. I also have been respiratory illnesses during this period. I also have been total respiratory illnesses during this period. I also have been total of period. I also have been total of many period. I also have been total of many others period. I also have been total of many others in period. I also have been total of many others in our period. I also have been total of many others in our communities... many others in our communities... Order. many others in our communities... Order. At many others in our communities... Order. At risk many others in our communities... Order. At risk of many others in our communities... Order. At risk of showing many others in our communities... Order. At risk of showing a many others in our communities... Order. At risk of showing a personal Order. At risk of showing a personal interest Order. At risk of showing a personal interest in Order. At risk of showing a personal interest in this, Order. At risk of showing a personal interest in this, I Order. At risk of showing a personal interest in this, I would Order. At risk of showing a personal interest in this, I would like Order. At risk of showing a personal interest in this, I would like to interest in this, I would like to hear interest in this, I would like to hear the interest in this, I would like to hear the answer. interest in this, I would like to hear the answer. Would interest in this, I would like to hear the answer. Would you interest in this, I would like to hear the answer. Would you like interest in this, I would like to hear the answer. Would you like me hear the answer. Would you like me to hear the answer. Would you like me to start hear the answer. Would you like me to start again, hear the answer. Would you like me to start again, Mr hear the answer. Would you like me to start again, Mr Speaker? hear the answer. Would you like me to start again, Mr Speaker? No. hear the answer. Would you like me to start again, Mr Speaker? No. OK. to start again, Mr Speaker? No. OK. I to start again, Mr Speaker? No. OK. I also to start again, Mr Speaker? No. OK. I also have to start again, Mr Speaker? No. OK. I also have been to start again, Mr Speaker? No. OK. I also have been total to start again, Mr Speaker? No. OK. I also have been total of to start again, Mr Speaker? No. OK. I also have been total of many I also have been total of many others I also have been total of many others in I also have been total of many others in our I also have been total of many others in our communities I also have been total of many others in our communities on I also have been total of many others in our communities on low others in our communities on low incomes others in our communities on low incomes concerned others in our communities on low incomes concerned about others in our communities on low incomes concerned about the others in our communities on low incomes concerned about the cost others in our communities on low incomes concerned about the cost of incomes concerned about the cost of heating incomes concerned about the cost of heating with incomes concerned about the cost of heating with some incomes concerned about the cost of heating with some seniors incomes concerned about the cost of heating with some seniors saying heating with some seniors saying that heating with some seniors saying that they heating with some seniors saying that they stay heating with some seniors saying that they stay in heating with some seniors saying that they stay in bed heating with some seniors saying that they stay in bed all heating with some seniors saying that they stay in bed all day heating with some seniors saying that they stay in bed all day just that they stay in bed all day just to that they stay in bed all day just to keep that they stay in bed all day just to keep warm that they stay in bed all day just to keep warm during that they stay in bed all day just to keep warm during winter. that they stay in bed all day just to keep warm during winter. That that they stay in bed all day just to keep warm during winter. That is to keep warm during winter. That is not to keep warm during winter. That is not right to keep warm during winter. That is not right and to keep warm during winter. That is not right and we to keep warm during winter. That is not right and we can to keep warm during winter. That is not right and we can do to keep warm during winter. That is not right and we can do better. to keep warm during winter. That is not right and we can do better. The not right and we can do better. The Winter not right and we can do better. The Winter Energy not right and we can do better. The Winter Energy Payment not right and we can do better. The Winter Energy Payment is not right and we can do better. The Winter Energy Payment is a not right and we can do better. The Winter Energy Payment is a simple, Winter Energy Payment is a simple, but Winter Energy Payment is a simple, but important, Winter Energy Payment is a simple, but important, way Winter Energy Payment is a simple, but important, way of Winter Energy Payment is a simple, but important, way of supporting but important, way of supporting over but important, way of supporting over 1 but important, way of supporting over 1 million but important, way of supporting over 1 million New but important, way of supporting over 1 million New Zealanders but important, way of supporting over 1 million New Zealanders to over 1 million New Zealanders to cope over 1 million New Zealanders to cope warm over 1 million New Zealanders to cope warm and over 1 million New Zealanders to cope warm and stay over 1 million New Zealanders to cope warm and stay healthy over 1 million New Zealanders to cope warm and stay healthy over cope warm and stay healthy over winter. cope warm and stay healthy over winter. Question cope warm and stay healthy over winter. Question No. cope warm and stay healthy over winter. Question No. 11, cope warm and stay healthy over winter. Question No. 11, Nicola winter. Question No. 11, Nicola Willis. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Education: My question is to the Associate Minister of Education: Does My question is to the Associate Minister of Education: Does she Minister of Education: Does she agree Minister of Education: Does she agree with Minister of Education: Does she agree with the Minister of Education: Does she agree with the Prime Minister of Education: Does she agree with the Prime Minister's agree with the Prime Minister's statement agree with the Prime Minister's statement in agree with the Prime Minister's statement in May agree with the Prime Minister's statement in May last agree with the Prime Minister's statement in May last year agree with the Prime Minister's statement in May last year that agree with the Prime Minister's statement in May last year that "In statement in May last year that "In early statement in May last year that "In early childhood statement in May last year that "In early childhood education, statement in May last year that "In early childhood education, the early childhood education, the average early childhood education, the average wait early childhood education, the average wait for early childhood education, the average wait for help early childhood education, the average wait for help from early childhood education, the average wait for help from the early childhood education, the average wait for help from the early average wait for help from the early intervention average wait for help from the early intervention service average wait for help from the early intervention service is average wait for help from the early intervention service is about average wait for help from the early intervention service is about 74 intervention service is about 74 days. intervention service is about 74 days. And intervention service is about 74 days. And in intervention service is about 74 days. And in the intervention service is about 74 days. And in the life intervention service is about 74 days. And in the life of intervention service is about 74 days. And in the life of a intervention service is about 74 days. And in the life of a little days. And in the life of a little three days. And in the life of a little three or days. And in the life of a little three or four-year-old days. And in the life of a little three or four-year-old child days. And in the life of a little three or four-year-old child who's three or four-year-old child who's hungry three or four-year-old child who's hungry to three or four-year-old child who's hungry to learn, three or four-year-old child who's hungry to learn, that's three or four-year-old child who's hungry to learn, that's 74 three or four-year-old child who's hungry to learn, that's 74 days three or four-year-old child who's hungry to learn, that's 74 days too hungry to learn, that's 74 days too long. hungry to learn, that's 74 days too long. Today's hungry to learn, that's 74 days too long. Today's announcement hungry to learn, that's 74 days too long. Today's announcement will long. Today's announcement will halve long. Today's announcement will halve the long. Today's announcement will halve the current long. Today's announcement will halve the current waiting long. Today's announcement will halve the current waiting list long. Today's announcement will halve the current waiting list for halve the current waiting list for services, halve the current waiting list for services, as halve the current waiting list for services, as well halve the current waiting list for services, as well as halve the current waiting list for services, as well as help halve the current waiting list for services, as well as help meet services, as well as help meet future services, as well as help meet future demand"; services, as well as help meet future demand"; and, services, as well as help meet future demand"; and, if services, as well as help meet future demand"; and, if so, services, as well as help meet future demand"; and, if so, what services, as well as help meet future demand"; and, if so, what is future demand"; and, if so, what is the future demand"; and, if so, what is the average future demand"; and, if so, what is the average wait future demand"; and, if so, what is the average wait for future demand"; and, if so, what is the average wait for help future demand"; and, if so, what is the average wait for help from future demand"; and, if so, what is the average wait for help from the the average wait for help from the early the average wait for help from the early intervention the average wait for help from the early intervention service the average wait for help from the early intervention service today? I I think I think there I think there is I think there is an I think there is an extra I think there is an extra word, I think there is an extra word, but I think there is an extra word, but we I think there is an extra word, but we will I think there is an extra word, but we will go I think there is an extra word, but we will go for I think there is an extra word, but we will go for it I think there is an extra word, but we will go for it anyway. we will go for it anyway. INTERPRETER: we will go for it anyway. INTERPRETER: Thank we will go for it anyway. INTERPRETER: Thank you, we will go for it anyway. INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr we will go for it anyway. INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I also INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I also agree INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I also agree with INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I also agree with the INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I also agree with the PM's INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I also agree with the PM's press I also agree with the PM's press release I also agree with the PM's press release in I also agree with the PM's press release in May I also agree with the PM's press release in May last I also agree with the PM's press release in May last year I also agree with the PM's press release in May last year that release in May last year that outlined release in May last year that outlined this release in May last year that outlined this was release in May last year that outlined this was a release in May last year that outlined this was a 4-year release in May last year that outlined this was a 4-year budget outlined this was a 4-year budget and outlined this was a 4-year budget and a outlined this was a 4-year budget and a reduction outlined this was a 4-year budget and a reduction target. outlined this was a 4-year budget and a reduction target. This and a reduction target. 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Currently, the average waiting times neglected-for-nine years. Currently, the average waiting times to neglected-for-nine years. Currently, the average waiting times to receive the average waiting times to receive support the average waiting times to receive support from the average waiting times to receive support from early the average waiting times to receive support from early intervention support from early intervention services support from early intervention services is support from early intervention services is 106 support from early intervention services is 106 days. support from early intervention services is 106 days. Supplementary. services is 106 days. Supplementary. Is services is 106 days. Supplementary. Is the services is 106 days. Supplementary. Is the minister services is 106 days. Supplementary. Is the minister confirming services is 106 days. Supplementary. Is the minister confirming that, Is the minister confirming that, despite Is the minister confirming that, despite the Is the minister confirming that, despite the PM's Is the minister confirming that, despite the PM's promise, Is the minister confirming that, despite the PM's promise, waiting despite the PM's promise, waiting times despite the PM's promise, waiting times for despite the PM's promise, waiting times for early despite the PM's promise, waiting times for early intervention despite the PM's promise, waiting times for early intervention have times for early intervention have increased times for early intervention have increased under times for early intervention have increased under this times for early intervention have increased under this government? times for early intervention have increased under this government? Mr increased under this government? Mr Speaker, increased under this government? Mr Speaker, I increased under this government? Mr Speaker, I am increased under this government? Mr Speaker, I am confirming increased under this government? Mr Speaker, I am confirming that increased under this government? Mr Speaker, I am confirming that after Speaker, I am confirming that after nine Speaker, I am confirming that after nine years Speaker, I am confirming that after nine years of Speaker, I am confirming that after nine years of neglect Speaker, I am confirming that after nine years of neglect with Speaker, I am confirming that after nine years of neglect with no nine years of neglect with no workforce nine years of neglect with no workforce planning nine years of neglect with no workforce planning that nine years of neglect with no workforce planning that this workforce planning that this government workforce planning that this government invested workforce planning that this government invested $21.5 workforce planning that this government invested $21.5 million workforce planning that this government invested $21.5 million in government invested $21.5 million in April government invested $21.5 million in April last government invested $21.5 million in April last year. government invested $21.5 million in April last year. <INTERRUPTION> April last year. <INTERRUPTION> Since April last year. <INTERRUPTION> Since then, April last year. <INTERRUPTION> Since then, 1280 April last year. <INTERRUPTION> Since then, 1280 extra April last year. <INTERRUPTION> Since then, 1280 extra specialists Since then, 1280 extra specialists have Since then, 1280 extra specialists have been Since then, 1280 extra specialists have been employed Since then, 1280 extra specialists have been employed in Since then, 1280 extra specialists have been employed in specialist have been employed in specialist services. have been employed in specialist services. 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