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Question Question No. Question No. 1 Question No. 1 the Question No. 1 the Hon Question No. 1 the Hon Simon Question No. 1 the Hon Simon Bridges. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Prime My question is to the Prime Minister: My question is to the Prime Minister: Does My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she stand My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her Minister: Does she stand by all her Government's Minister: Does she stand by all her Government's statements, Minister: Does she stand by all her Government's statements, policies, Government's statements, policies, and Government's statements, policies, and actions? The The Rt The Rt Hon The Rt Hon PM. The Rt Hon PM. Mr The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Is The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Is the The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Is the government The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Is the government still The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Is the government still committed The Rt Hon PM. Mr Speaker, yes. Is the government still committed to the government still committed to building the government still committed to building 100,000 the government still committed to building 100,000 KiwiBuild the government still committed to building 100,000 KiwiBuild houses building 100,000 KiwiBuild houses over building 100,000 KiwiBuild houses over 10 building 100,000 KiwiBuild houses over 10 years? building 100,000 KiwiBuild houses over 10 years? Mr building 100,000 KiwiBuild houses over 10 years? Mr Speaker, building 100,000 KiwiBuild houses over 10 years? Mr Speaker, as building 100,000 KiwiBuild houses over 10 years? Mr Speaker, as the over 10 years? Mr Speaker, as the member over 10 years? Mr Speaker, as the member well over 10 years? Mr Speaker, as the member well know, over 10 years? Mr Speaker, as the member well know, we over 10 years? Mr Speaker, as the member well know, we are over 10 years? Mr Speaker, as the member well know, we are going member well know, we are going through member well know, we are going through the member well know, we are going through the process member well know, we are going through the process of member well know, we are going through the process of reset member well know, we are going through the process of reset around through the process of reset around the through the process of reset around the KiwiBuild through the process of reset around the KiwiBuild programme. through the process of reset around the KiwiBuild programme. Are through the process of reset around the KiwiBuild programme. Are we the KiwiBuild programme. Are we committed the KiwiBuild programme. Are we committed to the KiwiBuild programme. Are we committed to building the KiwiBuild programme. Are we committed to building affordable committed to building affordable homes? committed to building affordable homes? Are committed to building affordable homes? Are we committed to building affordable homes? Are we committed committed to building affordable homes? Are we committed to committed to building affordable homes? Are we committed to trying committed to building affordable homes? Are we committed to trying to homes? Are we committed to trying to improve homes? Are we committed to trying to improve access homes? Are we committed to trying to improve access for homes? Are we committed to trying to improve access for first-home homes? Are we committed to trying to improve access for first-home buyers improve access for first-home buyers and improve access for first-home buyers and are improve access for first-home buyers and are we improve access for first-home buyers and are we the improve access for first-home buyers and are we the government improve access for first-home buyers and are we the government that improve access for first-home buyers and are we the government that has and are we the government that has built and are we the government that has built more and are we the government that has built more houses and are we the government that has built more houses than and are we the government that has built more houses than any and are we the government that has built more houses than any other built more houses than any other government built more houses than any other government since built more houses than any other government since the built more houses than any other government since the 1970s? built more houses than any other government since the 1970s? The government since the 1970s? The answer government since the 1970s? The answer to government since the 1970s? The answer to that, government since the 1970s? The answer to that, Mr government since the 1970s? The answer to that, Mr Speaker, government since the 1970s? The answer to that, Mr Speaker, is government since the 1970s? The answer to that, Mr Speaker, is yes. answer to that, Mr Speaker, is yes. Is answer to that, Mr Speaker, is yes. Is that answer to that, Mr Speaker, is yes. Is that a answer to that, Mr Speaker, is yes. Is that a confirmation answer to that, Mr Speaker, is yes. Is that a confirmation that answer to that, Mr Speaker, is yes. Is that a confirmation that the Is that a confirmation that the 100,000 Is that a confirmation that the 100,000 houses Is that a confirmation that the 100,000 houses in Is that a confirmation that the 100,000 houses in a Is that a confirmation that the 100,000 houses in a decade, Is that a confirmation that the 100,000 houses in a decade, a 100,000 houses in a decade, a commitment 100,000 houses in a decade, a commitment is 100,000 houses in a decade, a commitment is now 100,000 houses in a decade, a commitment is now gone? 100,000 houses in a decade, a commitment is now gone? Mr 100,000 houses in a decade, a commitment is now gone? Mr Speaker, commitment is now gone? Mr Speaker, no. commitment is now gone? Mr Speaker, no. Is commitment is now gone? Mr Speaker, no. Is it commitment is now gone? Mr Speaker, no. Is it Phil commitment is now gone? Mr Speaker, no. Is it Phil Twyford commitment is now gone? Mr Speaker, no. Is it Phil Twyford who commitment is now gone? Mr Speaker, no. Is it Phil Twyford who has commitment is now gone? Mr Speaker, no. Is it Phil Twyford who has been no. Is it Phil Twyford who has been are no. Is it Phil Twyford who has been are set? no. Is it Phil Twyford who has been are set? Mr no. Is it Phil Twyford who has been are set? Mr Speaker, no. Is it Phil Twyford who has been are set? Mr Speaker, no. no. Is it Phil Twyford who has been are set? Mr Speaker, no. Then no. Is it Phil Twyford who has been are set? Mr Speaker, no. Then why are set? Mr Speaker, no. Then why did are set? Mr Speaker, no. Then why did the are set? Mr Speaker, no. Then why did the Housing are set? Mr Speaker, no. Then why did the Housing Minister are set? Mr Speaker, no. Then why did the Housing Minister for are set? Mr Speaker, no. Then why did the Housing Minister for Twyford did the Housing Minister for Twyford say did the Housing Minister for Twyford say this did the Housing Minister for Twyford say this morning did the Housing Minister for Twyford say this morning on did the Housing Minister for Twyford say this morning on that did the Housing Minister for Twyford say this morning on that 100,000 say this morning on that 100,000 commitment, say this morning on that 100,000 commitment, "It say this morning on that 100,000 commitment, "It is say this morning on that 100,000 commitment, "It is like say this morning on that 100,000 commitment, "It is like American commitment, "It is like American nuclear commitment, "It is like American nuclear ships commitment, "It is like American nuclear ships in commitment, "It is like American nuclear ships in the commitment, "It is like American nuclear ships in the 1980s. commitment, "It is like American nuclear ships in the 1980s. 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The The Hon The Hon Chris The Hon Chris Hipkins. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, last The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, last month The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, last month the The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, last month the Teaching The Hon Chris Hipkins. 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Mr Speaker, yes. The Tertiary Education Commission enrolments? Mr Speaker, yes. 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I am a little surprised that the member a little surprised that the member is a little surprised that the member is requesting a little surprised that the member is requesting the a little surprised that the member is requesting the roll a little surprised that the member is requesting the roll lease a little surprised that the member is requesting the roll lease of is requesting the roll lease of documents is requesting the roll lease of documents that is requesting the roll lease of documents that are is requesting the roll lease of documents that are commercially documents that are commercially sensitive documents that are commercially sensitive and documents that are commercially sensitive and I documents that are commercially sensitive and I am documents that are commercially sensitive and I am sure documents that are commercially sensitive and I am sure she sensitive and I am sure she understands sensitive and I am sure she understands -- sensitive and I am sure she understands -- release sensitive and I am sure she understands -- release of sensitive and I am sure she understands -- release of documents understands -- release of documents that understands -- release of documents that are understands -- release of documents that are commercially understands -- release of documents that are commercially sensitive understands -- release of documents that are commercially sensitive and that are commercially sensitive and I that are commercially sensitive and I am that are commercially sensitive and I am sure that are commercially sensitive and I am sure she that are commercially sensitive and I am sure she understands that are commercially sensitive and I am sure she understands that I am sure she understands that documents I am sure she understands that documents are I am sure she understands that documents are released I am sure she understands that documents are released to I am sure she understands that documents are released to the documents are released to the National documents are released to the National Party documents are released to the National Party Research documents are released to the National Party Research Unit, documents are released to the National Party Research Unit, they National Party Research Unit, they are National Party Research Unit, they are released National Party Research Unit, they are released publicly National Party Research Unit, they are released publicly so National Party Research Unit, they are released publicly so that National Party Research Unit, they are released publicly so that all National Party Research Unit, they are released publicly so that all of are released publicly so that all of the are released publicly so that all of the developers' are released publicly so that all of the developers' competitors are released publicly so that all of the developers' competitors would the developers' competitors would have the developers' competitors would have access the developers' competitors would have access to the developers' competitors would have access to those the developers' competitors would have access to those commercially have access to those commercially sensitive have access to those commercially sensitive documents have access to those commercially sensitive documents and, have access to those commercially sensitive documents and, surely have access to those commercially sensitive documents and, surely the sensitive documents and, surely the member sensitive documents and, surely the member can sensitive documents and, surely the member can see sensitive documents and, surely the member can see that sensitive documents and, surely the member can see that is sensitive documents and, surely the member can see that is completely member can see that is completely untenable. member can see that is completely untenable. (SPEAKS member can see that is completely untenable. (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) member can see that is completely untenable. (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) as untenable. (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) as a untenable. (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) as a result untenable. (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) as a result of untenable. (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) as a result of government untenable. (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) as a result of government actions, a result of government actions, including a result of government actions, including KiwiBuild. a result of government actions, including KiwiBuild. Consent a result of government actions, including KiwiBuild. Consent shows including KiwiBuild. Consent shows that including KiwiBuild. Consent shows that government including KiwiBuild. Consent shows that government agencies including KiwiBuild. Consent shows that government agencies are including KiwiBuild. Consent shows that government agencies are now that government agencies are now building that government agencies are now building more that government agencies are now building more homes that government agencies are now building more homes than that government agencies are now building more homes than at that government agencies are now building more homes than at any that government agencies are now building more homes than at any time building more homes than at any time since building more homes than at any time since the building more homes than at any time since the 1970s building more homes than at any time since the 1970s and, building more homes than at any time since the 1970s and, as building more homes than at any time since the 1970s and, as well building more homes than at any time since the 1970s and, as well as building more homes than at any time since the 1970s and, as well as the since the 1970s and, as well as the approximately since the 1970s and, as well as the approximately 2,300 since the 1970s and, as well as the approximately 2,300 state since the 1970s and, as well as the approximately 2,300 state houses approximately 2,300 state houses currently approximately 2,300 state houses currently under approximately 2,300 state houses currently under construction, approximately 2,300 state houses currently under construction, we approximately 2,300 state houses currently under construction, we are currently under construction, we are working currently under construction, we are working with currently under construction, we are working with the currently under construction, we are working with the private currently under construction, we are working with the private sector currently under construction, we are working with the private sector to working with the private sector to build working with the private sector to build more working with the private sector to build more affordable working with the private sector to build more affordable homes. working with the private sector to build more affordable homes. Order. build more affordable homes. Order. Working build more affordable homes. Order. Working with build more affordable homes. Order. Working with developers build more affordable homes. Order. 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I asked the member to lift her horizon dons and consider happened. I asked the member to lift her horizon dons and consider the her horizon dons and consider the importance her horizon dons and consider the importance of her horizon dons and consider the importance of building her horizon dons and consider the importance of building affordable importance of building affordable houses importance of building affordable houses that importance of building affordable houses that Kiwis importance of building affordable houses that Kiwis desperately importance of building affordable houses that Kiwis desperately need, houses that Kiwis desperately need, instead houses that Kiwis desperately need, instead of houses that Kiwis desperately need, instead of endlessly houses that Kiwis desperately need, instead of endlessly nit-picking houses that Kiwis desperately need, instead of endlessly nit-picking in instead of endlessly nit-picking in the instead of endlessly nit-picking in the trivia instead of endlessly nit-picking in the trivia and instead of endlessly nit-picking in the trivia and the instead of endlessly nit-picking in the trivia and the minor instead of endlessly nit-picking in the trivia and the minor operational the trivia and the minor operational details. the trivia and the minor operational details. Will the trivia and the minor operational details. Will the the trivia and the minor operational details. Will the recalibration the trivia and the minor operational details. Will the recalibration of details. Will the recalibration of KiwiBuild details. Will the recalibration of KiwiBuild drop details. Will the recalibration of KiwiBuild drop the details. Will the recalibration of KiwiBuild drop the additionality KiwiBuild drop the additionality test KiwiBuild drop the additionality test as KiwiBuild drop the additionality test as well KiwiBuild drop the additionality test as well as KiwiBuild drop the additionality test as well as the KiwiBuild drop the additionality test as well as the 100,000 KiwiBuild drop the additionality test as well as the 100,000 houses test as well as the 100,000 houses target? test as well as the 100,000 houses target? Well, test as well as the 100,000 houses target? Well, I test as well as the 100,000 houses target? Well, I expect test as well as the 100,000 houses target? Well, I expect in test as well as the 100,000 houses target? Well, I expect in June test as well as the 100,000 houses target? Well, I expect in June we target? Well, I expect in June we will target? Well, I expect in June we will be target? Well, I expect in June we will be releasing target? Well, I expect in June we will be releasing the target? Well, I expect in June we will be releasing the results target? Well, I expect in June we will be releasing the results of target? Well, I expect in June we will be releasing the results of the will be releasing the results of the are will be releasing the results of the are set will be releasing the results of the are set of will be releasing the results of the are set of KiwiBuild, will be releasing the results of the are set of KiwiBuild, but will be releasing the results of the are set of KiwiBuild, but I will be releasing the results of the are set of KiwiBuild, but I would are set of KiwiBuild, but I would say are set of KiwiBuild, but I would say this are set of KiwiBuild, but I would say this to are set of KiwiBuild, but I would say this to the are set of KiwiBuild, but I would say this to the member are set of KiwiBuild, but I would say this to the member - are set of KiwiBuild, but I would say this to the member - this say this to the member - this government say this to the member - this government will say this to the member - this government will not say this to the member - this government will not back say this to the member - this government will not back away say this to the member - this government will not back away from government will not back away from building government will not back away from building large government will not back away from building large numbers government will not back away from building large numbers of government will not back away from building large numbers of affordable building large numbers of affordable homes building large numbers of affordable homes for building large numbers of affordable homes for Kiwis building large numbers of affordable homes for Kiwis or building large numbers of affordable homes for Kiwis or building building large numbers of affordable homes for Kiwis or building more homes for Kiwis or building more State homes for Kiwis or building more State housing homes for Kiwis or building more State housing or homes for Kiwis or building more State housing or reforming homes for Kiwis or building more State housing or reforming the State housing or reforming the rental State housing or reforming the rental market State housing or reforming the rental market or State housing or reforming the rental market or housing State housing or reforming the rental market or housing homeless rental market or housing homeless people, rental market or housing homeless people, reforming rental market or housing homeless people, reforming the rental market or housing homeless people, reforming the planning people, reforming the planning system people, reforming the planning system and people, reforming the planning system and infrastructure people, reforming the planning system and infrastructure financing system and infrastructure financing - system and infrastructure financing - all system and infrastructure financing - all of system and infrastructure financing - all of the system and infrastructure financing - all of the things system and infrastructure financing - all of the things that system and infrastructure financing - all of the things that are system and infrastructure financing - all of the things that are part system and infrastructure financing - all of the things that are part of - all of the things that are part of our - all of the things that are part of our housing - all of the things that are part of our housing programme - all of the things that are part of our housing programme that - all of the things that are part of our housing programme that that our housing programme that that party our housing programme that that party never our housing programme that that party never did our housing programme that that party never did for our housing programme that that party never did for nine our housing programme that that party never did for nine years our housing programme that that party never did for nine years in party never did for nine years in office. party never did for nine years in office. Question party never did for nine years in office. Question No. party never did for nine years in office. Question No. 7, party never did for nine years in office. Question No. 7, the office. Question No. 7, the honourable office. Question No. 7, the honourable Nikki office. Question No. 7, the honourable Nikki Kaye. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: My question is to the Minister of Education: Is My question is to the Minister of Education: Is he My question is to the Minister of Education: Is he confident My question is to the Minister of Education: Is he confident that My question is to the Minister of Education: Is he confident that he Education: Is he confident that he can Education: Is he confident that he can meet Education: Is he confident that he can meet the Education: Is he confident that he can meet the expectations Education: Is he confident that he can meet the expectations of Education: Is he confident that he can meet the expectations of the can meet the expectations of the education can meet the expectations of the education sector can meet the expectations of the education sector and can meet the expectations of the education sector and parents can meet the expectations of the education sector and parents in education sector and parents in Budget education sector and parents in Budget 2019 education sector and parents in Budget 2019 in education sector and parents in Budget 2019 in light education sector and parents in Budget 2019 in light of education sector and parents in Budget 2019 in light of his Budget 2019 in light of his promises, Budget 2019 in light of his promises, and Budget 2019 in light of his promises, and potential Budget 2019 in light of his promises, and potential teacher promises, and potential teacher strikes? The The Hon The Hon Chris The Hon Chris Hipkins. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, I The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, I am The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, I am very The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, I am very optimistic The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, I am very optimistic about The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, I am very optimistic about the The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, I am very optimistic about the Budget, am very optimistic about the Budget, although am very optimistic about the Budget, although around am very optimistic about the Budget, although around the am very optimistic about the Budget, although around the overall am very optimistic about the Budget, although around the overall limits although around the overall limits of although around the overall limits of education although around the overall limits of education spending? although around the overall limits of education spending? This although around the overall limits of education spending? This year's of education spending? This year's budget of education spending? This year's budget will of education spending? This year's budget will have of education spending? This year's budget will have to of education spending? This year's budget will have to wait of education spending? This year's budget will have to wait until budget will have to wait until Budget budget will have to wait until Budget day. budget will have to wait until Budget day. What budget will have to wait until Budget day. What I budget will have to wait until Budget day. What I can budget will have to wait until Budget day. What I can say budget will have to wait until Budget day. What I can say with Budget day. What I can say with regard Budget day. What I can say with regard the Budget day. What I can say with regard the announcements Budget day. What I can say with regard the announcements that Budget day. What I can say with regard the announcements that have regard the announcements that have been regard the announcements that have been made regard the announcements that have been made already regard the announcements that have been made already about regard the announcements that have been made already about education been made already about education spending been made already about education spending in been made already about education spending in this been made already about education spending in this year's been made already about education spending in this year's budget, been made already about education spending in this year's budget, I been made already about education spending in this year's budget, I am spending in this year's budget, I am confident spending in this year's budget, I am confident that spending in this year's budget, I am confident that the spending in this year's budget, I am confident that the significant confident that the significant increase confident that the significant increase in confident that the significant increase in funding confident that the significant increase in funding for confident that the significant increase in funding for teacher increase in funding for teacher training, increase in funding for teacher training, that increase in funding for teacher training, that we increase in funding for teacher training, that we announced increase in funding for teacher training, that we announced last training, that we announced last week, training, that we announced last week, will training, that we announced last week, will address training, that we announced last week, will address the training, that we announced last week, will address the teacher week, will address the teacher shortage week, will address the teacher shortage that week, will address the teacher shortage that we week, will address the teacher shortage that we inherited. week, will address the teacher shortage that we inherited. Mr shortage that we inherited. Mr Speaker, shortage that we inherited. Mr Speaker, supplementary shortage that we inherited. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. Speaker, supplementary question. Hasn't Speaker, supplementary question. Hasn't he Speaker, supplementary question. Hasn't he failed Speaker, supplementary question. Hasn't he failed to Speaker, supplementary question. Hasn't he failed to meet Hasn't he failed to meet expectations Hasn't he failed to meet expectations with Hasn't he failed to meet expectations with the Hasn't he failed to meet expectations with the pre-budget expectations with the pre-budget announcement expectations with the pre-budget announcement that expectations with the pre-budget announcement that it expectations with the pre-budget announcement that it doesn't expectations with the pre-budget announcement that it doesn't even announcement that it doesn't even deliver announcement that it doesn't even deliver half announcement that it doesn't even deliver half of announcement that it doesn't even deliver half of the announcement that it doesn't even deliver half of the 8,000 announcement that it doesn't even deliver half of the 8,000 additional deliver half of the 8,000 additional secondary deliver half of the 8,000 additional secondary teachers deliver half of the 8,000 additional secondary teachers needed deliver half of the 8,000 additional secondary teachers needed over deliver half of the 8,000 additional secondary teachers needed over the secondary teachers needed over the coming secondary teachers needed over the coming years secondary teachers needed over the coming years and secondary teachers needed over the coming years and will secondary teachers needed over the coming years and will he secondary teachers needed over the coming years and will he take coming years and will he take responsibility coming years and will he take responsibility for coming years and will he take responsibility for the coming years and will he take responsibility for the increased responsibility for the increased class responsibility for the increased class sizes responsibility for the increased class sizes and responsibility for the increased class sizes and overcrowding responsibility for the increased class sizes and overcrowding that class sizes and overcrowding that will class sizes and overcrowding that will occur? class sizes and overcrowding that will occur? Mr class sizes and overcrowding that will occur? Mr Speaker, class sizes and overcrowding that will occur? Mr Speaker, the class sizes and overcrowding that will occur? Mr Speaker, the member's will occur? Mr Speaker, the member's number will occur? Mr Speaker, the member's number of will occur? Mr Speaker, the member's number of 8,000 will occur? Mr Speaker, the member's number of 8,000 is will occur? Mr Speaker, the member's number of 8,000 is simply will occur? Mr Speaker, the member's number of 8,000 is simply incorrect. number of 8,000 is simply incorrect. The number of 8,000 is simply incorrect. The correct number of 8,000 is simply incorrect. The correct numbers, number of 8,000 is simply incorrect. The correct numbers, according number of 8,000 is simply incorrect. 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With regard expecting a 90-teacher surplus. With regard to expecting a 90-teacher surplus. With regard to secondary expecting a 90-teacher surplus. With regard to secondary school expecting a 90-teacher surplus. With regard to secondary school teachers, regard to secondary school teachers, the regard to secondary school teachers, the number regard to secondary school teachers, the number - regard to secondary school teachers, the number - extra regard to secondary school teachers, the number - extra number regard to secondary school teachers, the number - extra number required the number - extra number required this the number - extra number required this year the number - extra number required this year was the number - extra number required this year was 170. the number - extra number required this year was 170. That the number - extra number required this year was 170. That continues the number - extra number required this year was 170. That continues to this year was 170. 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The numbers - the extra funding that I have announced this funding that I have announced this week funding that I have announced this week delivers funding that I have announced this week delivers over funding that I have announced this week delivers over 2,500 funding that I have announced this week delivers over 2,500 extra week delivers over 2,500 extra teacher week delivers over 2,500 extra teacher trainees, week delivers over 2,500 extra teacher trainees, in week delivers over 2,500 extra teacher trainees, in addition week delivers over 2,500 extra teacher trainees, in addition to teacher trainees, in addition to other teacher trainees, in addition to other teacher teacher trainees, in addition to other teacher supply teacher trainees, in addition to other teacher supply measures, teacher trainees, in addition to other teacher supply measures, such other teacher supply measures, such as other teacher supply measures, such as free other teacher supply measures, such as free refresher other teacher supply measures, such as free refresher training other teacher supply measures, such as free refresher training for other teacher supply measures, such as free refresher training for those as free refresher training for those who as free refresher training for those who have as free refresher training for those who have already as free refresher training for those who have already completed as free refresher training for those who have already completed their who have already completed their training, who have already completed their training, but who have already completed their training, but are who have already completed their training, but are not who have already completed their training, but are not currently training, but are not currently registered. training, but are not currently registered. 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I seek leave to table those exact modelling documents, which exact modelling documents, which demonstrate exact modelling documents, which demonstrate the exact modelling documents, which demonstrate the accumulative exact modelling documents, which demonstrate the accumulative impact demonstrate the accumulative impact is demonstrate the accumulative impact is 8,000 demonstrate the accumulative impact is 8,000 additional demonstrate the accumulative impact is 8,000 additional teachers demonstrate the accumulative impact is 8,000 additional teachers over is 8,000 additional teachers over the is 8,000 additional teachers over the next is 8,000 additional teachers over the next five is 8,000 additional teachers over the next five years? is 8,000 additional teachers over the next five years? The is 8,000 additional teachers over the next five years? The source is 8,000 additional teachers over the next five years? The source of? the next five years? The source of? It the next five years? 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I'll put it anyway. There is none. objection? I'll put it anyway. There is none. Supplementary objection? I'll put it anyway. There is none. Supplementary question. objection? I'll put it anyway. There is none. Supplementary question. How is none. Supplementary question. How will is none. Supplementary question. How will he is none. Supplementary question. How will he meet is none. Supplementary question. How will he meet the is none. Supplementary question. How will he meet the expectations is none. Supplementary question. How will he meet the expectations of will he meet the expectations of parents will he meet the expectations of parents who will he meet the expectations of parents who believe will he meet the expectations of parents who believe the will he meet the expectations of parents who believe the government parents who believe the government promised parents who believe the government promised to parents who believe the government promised to scrap parents who believe the government promised to scrap school parents who believe the government promised to scrap school donations promised to scrap school donations when promised to scrap school donations when he promised to scrap school donations when he is promised to scrap school donations when he is a promised to scrap school donations when he is a year promised to scrap school donations when he is a year late promised to scrap school donations when he is a year late on promised to scrap school donations when he is a year late on the promised to scrap school donations when he is a year late on the $150 when he is a year late on the $150 face. when he is a year late on the $150 face. That when he is a year late on the $150 face. That was when he is a year late on the $150 face. That was promised when he is a year late on the $150 face. That was promised and when he is a year late on the $150 face. That was promised and on face. That was promised and on figures face. That was promised and on figures that face. That was promised and on figures that I face. That was promised and on figures that I have face. That was promised and on figures that I have seen face. That was promised and on figures that I have seen project figures that I have seen project that figures that I have seen project that at figures that I have seen project that at least figures that I have seen project that at least half figures that I have seen project that at least half of figures that I have seen project that at least half of schools figures that I have seen project that at least half of schools would that at least half of schools would not that at least half of schools would not scrap that at least half of schools would not scrap donations that at least half of schools would not scrap donations as that at least half of schools would not scrap donations as a that at least half of schools would not scrap donations as a result. that at least half of schools would not scrap donations as a result. Mr not scrap donations as a result. Mr Speaker, not scrap donations as a result. Mr Speaker, with not scrap donations as a result. Mr Speaker, with regard not scrap donations as a result. Mr Speaker, with regard to not scrap donations as a result. Mr Speaker, with regard to the not scrap donations as a result. Mr Speaker, with regard to the school Speaker, with regard to the school donations Speaker, with regard to the school donations policy, Speaker, with regard to the school donations policy, we Speaker, with regard to the school donations policy, we were Speaker, with regard to the school donations policy, we were always donations policy, we were always very donations policy, we were always very clear donations policy, we were always very clear that donations policy, we were always very clear that it donations policy, we were always very clear that it was donations policy, we were always very clear that it was going donations policy, we were always very clear that it was going to donations policy, we were always very clear that it was going to be donations policy, we were always very clear that it was going to be a very clear that it was going to be a voluntary very clear that it was going to be a voluntary uptake very clear that it was going to be a voluntary uptake amongst very clear that it was going to be a voluntary uptake amongst schools very clear that it was going to be a voluntary uptake amongst schools and voluntary uptake amongst schools and they voluntary uptake amongst schools and they would voluntary uptake amongst schools and they would have voluntary uptake amongst schools and they would have the voluntary uptake amongst schools and they would have the choice voluntary uptake amongst schools and they would have the choice whether they would have the choice whether to they would have the choice whether to take they would have the choice whether to take it they would have the choice whether to take it up they would have the choice whether to take it up or they would have the choice whether to take it up or not. they would have the choice whether to take it up or not. 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The financial modelling that the Labour Party did modelling that the Labour Party did prior modelling that the Labour Party did prior to modelling that the Labour Party did prior to the modelling that the Labour Party did prior to the election modelling that the Labour Party did prior to the election did modelling that the Labour Party did prior to the election did not modelling that the Labour Party did prior to the election did not assume prior to the election did not assume that prior to the election did not assume that every prior to the election did not assume that every school prior to the election did not assume that every school would prior to the election did not assume that every school would stake prior to the election did not assume that every school would stake up that every school would stake up that that every school would stake up that policy. that every school would stake up that policy. We that every school would stake up that policy. We recognise that every school would stake up that policy. We recognise that, that every school would stake up that policy. We recognise that, in that policy. We recognise that, in fact, that policy. We recognise that, in fact, some that policy. We recognise that, in fact, some schools, that policy. We recognise that, in fact, some schools, particularly fact, some schools, particularly higher fact, some schools, particularly higher docile fact, some schools, particularly higher docile schools, fact, some schools, particularly higher docile schools, get fact, some schools, particularly higher docile schools, get more fact, some schools, particularly higher docile schools, get more than higher docile schools, get more than $150 higher docile schools, get more than $150 poor higher docile schools, get more than $150 poor student? higher docile schools, get more than $150 poor student? Do higher docile schools, get more than $150 poor student? Do nations. higher docile schools, get more than $150 poor student? Do nations. With $150 poor student? Do nations. With regard $150 poor student? Do nations. With regard to $150 poor student? Do nations. With regard to the $150 poor student? Do nations. With regard to the commitments $150 poor student? Do nations. With regard to the commitments around regard to the commitments around timing, regard to the commitments around timing, the regard to the commitments around timing, the government regard to the commitments around timing, the government made regard to the commitments around timing, the government made a timing, the government made a commitment timing, the government made a commitment to timing, the government made a commitment to deliver timing, the government made a commitment to deliver that timing, the government made a commitment to deliver that policy commitment to deliver that policy within commitment to deliver that policy within the commitment to deliver that policy within the first commitment to deliver that policy within the first term. commitment to deliver that policy within the first term. Mr commitment to deliver that policy within the first term. Mr Speaker, within the first term. Mr Speaker, supplementary within the first term. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. within the first term. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. How within the first term. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. How will within the first term. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. How will he supplementary question. How will he deliver supplementary question. How will he deliver on supplementary question. How will he deliver on his supplementary question. How will he deliver on his promise supplementary question. How will he deliver on his promise to supplementary question. How will he deliver on his promise to modernise deliver on his promise to modernise all deliver on his promise to modernise all of deliver on his promise to modernise all of the deliver on his promise to modernise all of the more deliver on his promise to modernise all of the more than deliver on his promise to modernise all of the more than 20,000 deliver on his promise to modernise all of the more than 20,000 school all of the more than 20,000 school buildings all of the more than 20,000 school buildings in all of the more than 20,000 school buildings in New all of the more than 20,000 school buildings in New Zealand, all of the more than 20,000 school buildings in New Zealand, given all of the more than 20,000 school buildings in New Zealand, given the buildings in New Zealand, given the potential buildings in New Zealand, given the potential true buildings in New Zealand, given the potential true cost buildings in New Zealand, given the potential true cost of buildings in New Zealand, given the potential true cost of that buildings in New Zealand, given the potential true cost of that is buildings in New Zealand, given the potential true cost of that is $10 potential true cost of that is $10 billion? potential true cost of that is $10 billion? Mr potential true cost of that is $10 billion? Mr Speaker, potential true cost of that is $10 billion? Mr Speaker, the potential true cost of that is $10 billion? Mr Speaker, the member potential true cost of that is $10 billion? Mr Speaker, the member will billion? Mr Speaker, the member will have billion? Mr Speaker, the member will have to billion? Mr Speaker, the member will have to wait billion? Mr Speaker, the member will have to wait until billion? Mr Speaker, the member will have to wait until the billion? Mr Speaker, the member will have to wait until the Budget. billion? Mr Speaker, the member will have to wait until the Budget. Mr have to wait until the Budget. Mr Speaker, have to wait until the Budget. Mr Speaker, supplementary have to wait until the Budget. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. Speaker, supplementary question. When Speaker, supplementary question. When the Speaker, supplementary question. When the PM Speaker, supplementary question. 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I don't think that she spend $1... Order. I don't think that she did. spend $1... Order. I don't think that she did. Mr spend $1... Order. I don't think that she did. Mr Speaker, that she did. Mr Speaker, supplementary that she did. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. that she did. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. When that she did. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. When the supplementary question. When the Governor-General supplementary question. When the Governor-General read supplementary question. When the Governor-General read out supplementary question. When the Governor-General read out from supplementary question. When the Governor-General read out from the Governor-General read out from the speech Governor-General read out from the speech on Governor-General read out from the speech on the Governor-General read out from the speech on the throne Governor-General read out from the speech on the throne the Governor-General read out from the speech on the throne the PM's speech on the throne the PM's commitment speech on the throne the PM's commitment to speech on the throne the PM's commitment to spend speech on the throne the PM's commitment to spend $1.8 speech on the throne the PM's commitment to spend $1.8 billion speech on the throne the PM's commitment to spend $1.8 billion on commitment to spend $1.8 billion on teacher commitment to spend $1.8 billion on teacher resources, commitment to spend $1.8 billion on teacher resources, was commitment to spend $1.8 billion on teacher resources, was it commitment to spend $1.8 billion on teacher resources, was it just teacher resources, was it just another teacher resources, was it just another case teacher resources, was it just another case of teacher resources, was it just another case of the teacher resources, was it just another case of the government teacher resources, was it just another case of the government over another case of the government over promising another case of the government over promising and another case of the government over promising and underdelivering? another case of the government over promising and underdelivering? No, promising and underdelivering? No, Mr promising and underdelivering? No, Mr Speaker. promising and underdelivering? No, Mr Speaker. In promising and underdelivering? No, Mr Speaker. In fact, promising and underdelivering? No, Mr Speaker. In fact, we promising and underdelivering? No, Mr Speaker. In fact, we already promising and underdelivering? No, Mr Speaker. In fact, we already have Mr Speaker. In fact, we already have delivered Mr Speaker. In fact, we already have delivered more Mr Speaker. In fact, we already have delivered more than Mr Speaker. In fact, we already have delivered more than that. Mr Speaker. In fact, we already have delivered more than that. The delivered more than that. The teachers' delivered more than that. The teachers' salaries delivered more than that. The teachers' salaries alone delivered more than that. The teachers' salaries alone amount delivered more than that. The teachers' salaries alone amount to teachers' salaries alone amount to $1.2 teachers' salaries alone amount to $1.2 billion teachers' salaries alone amount to $1.2 billion in teachers' salaries alone amount to $1.2 billion in extra teachers' salaries alone amount to $1.2 billion in extra funding. teachers' salaries alone amount to $1.2 billion in extra funding. That $1.2 billion in extra funding. That is $1.2 billion in extra funding. That is on $1.2 billion in extra funding. That is on top $1.2 billion in extra funding. That is on top of $1.2 billion in extra funding. That is on top of the $1.2 billion in extra funding. That is on top of the extra $1.2 billion in extra funding. That is on top of the extra money $1.2 billion in extra funding. That is on top of the extra money that $1.2 billion in extra funding. That is on top of the extra money that we is on top of the extra money that we have is on top of the extra money that we have put is on top of the extra money that we have put into is on top of the extra money that we have put into recruiting is on top of the extra money that we have put into recruiting more have put into recruiting more teachers have put into recruiting more teachers to have put into recruiting more teachers to meet have put into recruiting more teachers to meet population have put into recruiting more teachers to meet population growth, teachers to meet population growth, which teachers to meet population growth, which we teachers to meet population growth, which we funded teachers to meet population growth, which we funded in teachers to meet population growth, which we funded in last teachers to meet population growth, which we funded in last year's which we funded in last year's budget which we funded in last year's budget and which we funded in last year's budget and the which we funded in last year's budget and the member which we funded in last year's budget and the member will which we funded in last year's budget and the member will have which we funded in last year's budget and the member will have to budget and the member will have to wait budget and the member will have to wait and budget and the member will have to wait and see budget and the member will have to wait and see what budget and the member will have to wait and see what is budget and the member will have to wait and see what is in budget and the member will have to wait and see what is in this budget and the member will have to wait and see what is in this year's wait and see what is in this year's budget. wait and see what is in this year's budget. What wait and see what is in this year's budget. What is wait and see what is in this year's budget. What is the wait and see what is in this year's budget. What is the government wait and see what is in this year's budget. What is the government doing budget. What is the government doing to budget. What is the government doing to look budget. What is the government doing to look at budget. What is the government doing to look at the budget. What is the government doing to look at the expectations budget. What is the government doing to look at the expectations of budget. What is the government doing to look at the expectations of the to look at the expectations of the government to look at the expectations of the government sector? to look at the expectations of the government sector? First to look at the expectations of the government sector? First of to look at the expectations of the government sector? First of all, to look at the expectations of the government sector? First of all, as government sector? First of all, as we government sector? First of all, as we have government sector? First of all, as we have indicated government sector? First of all, as we have indicated we government sector? First of all, as we have indicated we already government sector? First of all, as we have indicated we already have we have indicated we already have committed we have indicated we already have committed $1.2 we have indicated we already have committed $1.2 billion we have indicated we already have committed $1.2 billion to we have indicated we already have committed $1.2 billion to pay we have indicated we already have committed $1.2 billion to pay rises committed $1.2 billion to pay rises for committed $1.2 billion to pay rises for the committed $1.2 billion to pay rises for the teaching committed $1.2 billion to pay rises for the teaching profession, committed $1.2 billion to pay rises for the teaching profession, the for the teaching profession, the largest for the teaching profession, the largest pay for the teaching profession, the largest pay increases for the teaching profession, the largest pay increases in for the teaching profession, the largest pay increases in a for the teaching profession, the largest pay increases in a decade. largest pay increases in a decade. We largest pay increases in a decade. We have largest pay increases in a decade. We have committed largest pay increases in a decade. We have committed half largest pay increases in a decade. We have committed half a largest pay increases in a decade. We have committed half a billion We have committed half a billion dollars We have committed half a billion dollars extra We have committed half a billion dollars extra to We have committed half a billion dollars extra to support We have committed half a billion dollars extra to support those dollars extra to support those children dollars extra to support those children with dollars extra to support those children with additional dollars extra to support those children with additional learning children with additional learning needs, children with additional learning needs, including children with additional learning needs, including by children with additional learning needs, including by appointing children with additional learning needs, including by appointing - children with additional learning needs, including by appointing - by needs, including by appointing - by employing needs, including by appointing - by employing 600 needs, including by appointing - by employing 600 more needs, including by appointing - by employing 600 more teachers needs, including by appointing - by employing 600 more teachers as employing 600 more teachers as dedicated employing 600 more teachers as dedicated learning employing 600 more teachers as dedicated learning support dedicated learning support coordinators dedicated learning support coordinators and dedicated learning support coordinators and we dedicated learning support coordinators and we have dedicated learning support coordinators and we have spent dedicated learning support coordinators and we have spent $135 coordinators and we have spent $135 million coordinators and we have spent $135 million to coordinators and we have spent $135 million to address coordinators and we have spent $135 million to address short coordinators and we have spent $135 million to address short and million to address short and medium-term million to address short and medium-term teacher million to address short and medium-term teacher supply medium-term teacher supply challenges. medium-term teacher supply challenges. Question medium-term teacher supply challenges. Question No. medium-term teacher supply challenges. Question No. 8, medium-term teacher supply challenges. Question No. 8, Dr challenges. Question No. 8, Dr Deborah challenges. Question No. 8, Dr Deborah Russell. Deborah Russell. INTERPRETER: Deborah Russell. INTERPRETER: To Deborah Russell. INTERPRETER: To the Deborah Russell. INTERPRETER: To the Speaker Deborah Russell. INTERPRETER: To the Speaker of Deborah Russell. INTERPRETER: To the Speaker of the INTERPRETER: To the Speaker of the House. Minister Minister of Minister of Revenue: Minister of Revenue: What Minister of Revenue: What reports, Minister of Revenue: What reports, if Minister of Revenue: What reports, if any, Minister of Revenue: What reports, if any, has Minister of Revenue: What reports, if any, has he Minister of Revenue: What reports, if any, has he seen Minister of Revenue: What reports, if any, has he seen about Minister of Revenue: What reports, if any, has he seen about the if any, has he seen about the implementation if any, has he seen about the implementation of if any, has he seen about the implementation of the if any, has he seen about the implementation of the Business implementation of the Business Transformation implementation of the Business Transformation programme? The The Hon The Hon Stuart The Hon Stuart Nash. The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, I The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, I am The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, I am happy The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, I am happy to The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, I am happy to inform The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, I am happy to inform the The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, I am happy to inform the House The Hon Stuart Nash. Mr Speaker, I am happy to inform the House that am happy to inform the House that one am happy to inform the House that one of am happy to inform the House that one of the am happy to inform the House that one of the largest am happy to inform the House that one of the largest IT am happy to inform the House that one of the largest IT projects am happy to inform the House that one of the largest IT projects ever one of the largest IT projects ever undertake one of the largest IT projects ever undertake in one of the largest IT projects ever undertake in the one of the largest IT projects ever undertake in the state's one of the largest IT projects ever undertake in the state's sector, one of the largest IT projects ever undertake in the state's sector, the undertake in the state's sector, the IRD undertake in the state's sector, the IRD Business undertake in the state's sector, the IRD Business Transformation undertake in the state's sector, the IRD Business Transformation Project IRD Business Transformation Project has IRD Business Transformation Project has successfully IRD Business Transformation Project has successfully passed IRD Business Transformation Project has successfully passed its IRD Business Transformation Project has successfully passed its largest has successfully passed its largest and has successfully passed its largest and most has successfully passed its largest and most difficult has successfully passed its largest and most difficult phase.Or has successfully passed its largest and most difficult phase.Or Easter and most difficult phase.Or Easter and and most difficult phase.Or Easter and Anzac and most difficult phase.Or Easter and Anzac period, and most difficult phase.Or Easter and Anzac period, over and most difficult phase.Or Easter and Anzac period, over 300 and most difficult phase.Or Easter and Anzac period, over 300 inland and Anzac period, over 300 inland revenue and Anzac period, over 300 inland revenue staff and Anzac period, over 300 inland revenue staff successfully revenue staff successfully transitioned revenue staff successfully transitioned tax revenue staff successfully transitioned tax for revenue staff successfully transitioned tax for working transitioned tax for working families transitioned tax for working families into transitioned tax for working families into the transitioned tax for working families into the computer transitioned tax for working families into the computer system. families into the computer system. 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I thank New Zealand First and the Greens for their support. I am Greens for their support. I am disappointed Greens for their support. I am disappointed that Greens for their support. I am disappointed that the Greens for their support. I am disappointed that the National Greens for their support. I am disappointed that the National Party disappointed that the National Party stood disappointed that the National Party stood in disappointed that the National Party stood in the disappointed that the National Party stood in the way disappointed that the National Party stood in the way and disappointed that the National Party stood in the way and opposed disappointed that the National Party stood in the way and opposed this stood in the way and opposed this legislation. stood in the way and opposed this legislation. What stood in the way and opposed this legislation. What assurances stood in the way and opposed this legislation. What assurances has stood in the way and opposed this legislation. What assurances has the legislation. What assurances has the minister legislation. What assurances has the minister received legislation. What assurances has the minister received about legislation. What assurances has the minister received about the legislation. What assurances has the minister received about the levels minister received about the levels of minister received about the levels of customer minister received about the levels of customer service minister received about the levels of customer service to minister received about the levels of customer service to taxpayers of customer service to taxpayers during of customer service to taxpayers during this of customer service to taxpayers during this transition of customer service to taxpayers during this transition period? of customer service to taxpayers during this transition period? Mr during this transition period? 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On behalf of the Minister for Social Development, the Minister for Social Development, the Minister for Social Development, the Minister for Social Development, I stated yesterday the Minister for Social Development, I stated yesterday that the Minister for Social Development, I stated yesterday that work the Minister for Social Development, I stated yesterday that work was I stated yesterday that work was already I stated yesterday that work was already under I stated yesterday that work was already under way I stated yesterday that work was already under way to I stated yesterday that work was already under way to address I stated yesterday that work was already under way to address around already under way to address around 15 already under way to address around 15 of already under way to address around 15 of the already under way to address around 15 of the report's already under way to address around 15 of the report's recommendations 15 of the report's recommendations based 15 of the report's recommendations based on 15 of the report's recommendations based on our 15 of the report's recommendations based on our initial 15 of the report's recommendations based on our initial analysis, 15 of the report's recommendations based on our initial analysis, these based on our initial analysis, these are based on our initial analysis, these are numbers based on our initial analysis, these are numbers 3, based on our initial analysis, these are numbers 3, 5, based on our initial analysis, these are numbers 3, 5, 8, based on our initial analysis, these are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, based on our initial analysis, these are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, based on our initial analysis, these are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, based on our initial analysis, these are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 20, are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 20, 27, are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 20, 27, 32, are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 20, 27, 32, 35, are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 20, 27, 32, 35, 39 are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 20, 27, 32, 35, 39 and are numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 20, 27, 32, 35, 39 and 42. 14, 17, 20, 27, 32, 35, 39 and 42. 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Examples of this include expanded Examples of this include expanded reporting Examples of this include expanded reporting on Examples of this include expanded reporting on outcomes, Examples of this include expanded reporting on outcomes, establishing reporting on outcomes, establishing a reporting on outcomes, establishing a Pacific reporting on outcomes, establishing a Pacific reference reporting on outcomes, establishing a Pacific reference group, a Pacific reference group, developing a Pacific reference group, developing a a Pacific reference group, developing a kaupapa a Pacific reference group, developing a kaupapa strategy a Pacific reference group, developing a kaupapa strategy at developing a kaupapa strategy at developing a kaupapa strategy at developing a kaupapa strategy at MSD, rolling developing a kaupapa strategy at MSD, rolling out developing a kaupapa strategy at MSD, rolling out Mana developing a kaupapa strategy at MSD, rolling out Mana in developing a kaupapa strategy at MSD, rolling out Mana in Mahi developing a kaupapa strategy at MSD, rolling out Mana in Mahi and MSD, rolling out Mana in Mahi and the MSD, rolling out Mana in Mahi and the three MSD, rolling out Mana in Mahi and the three budget MSD, rolling out Mana in Mahi and the three budget announcements MSD, rolling out Mana in Mahi and the three budget announcements we the three budget announcements we the three budget announcements we the three budget announcements we made on the three budget announcements we made on Friday. the three budget announcements we made on Friday. 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