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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace for for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. The The Hon The Hon Chris The Hon Chris Hipkins The Hon Chris Hipkins On The Hon Chris Hipkins On Tuesday The Hon Chris Hipkins On Tuesday 28 The Hon Chris Hipkins On Tuesday 28 May, The Hon Chris Hipkins On Tuesday 28 May, the The Hon Chris Hipkins On Tuesday 28 May, the annual The Hon Chris Hipkins On Tuesday 28 May, the annual review The Hon Chris Hipkins On Tuesday 28 May, the annual review debate The Hon Chris Hipkins On Tuesday 28 May, the annual review debate will May, the annual review debate will be May, the annual review debate will be completed May, the annual review debate will be completed and May, the annual review debate will be completed and the May, the annual review debate will be completed and the racing May, the annual review debate will be completed and the racing reform be completed and the racing reform bill be completed and the racing reform bill and be completed and the racing reform bill and the be completed and the racing reform bill and the veterans be completed and the racing reform bill and the veterans support bill and the veterans support amendment bill and the veterans support amendment Bill bill and the veterans support amendment Bill will bill and the veterans support amendment Bill will receive bill and the veterans support amendment Bill will receive their amendment Bill will receive their first amendment Bill will receive their first reading. amendment Bill will receive their first reading. Legislation amendment Bill will receive their first reading. Legislation to amendment Bill will receive their first reading. Legislation to be first reading. Legislation to be considered first reading. Legislation to be considered on first reading. Legislation to be considered on Wednesday first reading. Legislation to be considered on Wednesday 19 first reading. Legislation to be considered on Wednesday 19 May first reading. Legislation to be considered on Wednesday 19 May will considered on Wednesday 19 May will include considered on Wednesday 19 May will include the considered on Wednesday 19 May will include the support considered on Wednesday 19 May will include the support workers considered on Wednesday 19 May will include the support workers pay include the support workers pay equity include the support workers pay equity amendment include the support workers pay equity amendment Bill include the support workers pay equity amendment Bill and include the support workers pay equity amendment Bill and the equity amendment Bill and the Building equity amendment Bill and the Building Amendment equity amendment Bill and the Building Amendment Bill. equity amendment Bill and the Building Amendment Bill. On equity amendment Bill and the Building Amendment Bill. On 5.45, Building Amendment Bill. On 5.45, there Building Amendment Bill. On 5.45, there is Building Amendment Bill. On 5.45, there is a Building Amendment Bill. On 5.45, there is a maiden Building Amendment Bill. On 5.45, there is a maiden statement. there is a maiden statement. Thursday there is a maiden statement. Thursday 30 there is a maiden statement. Thursday 30 May there is a maiden statement. Thursday 30 May is there is a maiden statement. Thursday 30 May is Budget there is a maiden statement. Thursday 30 May is Budget day. there is a maiden statement. Thursday 30 May is Budget day. After Thursday 30 May is Budget day. After the Thursday 30 May is Budget day. After the delivery Thursday 30 May is Budget day. After the delivery of Thursday 30 May is Budget day. After the delivery of the Thursday 30 May is Budget day. After the delivery of the budget Thursday 30 May is Budget day. After the delivery of the budget statement the delivery of the budget statement by the delivery of the budget statement by the the delivery of the budget statement by the Minister the delivery of the budget statement by the Minister of the delivery of the budget statement by the Minister of Finance the delivery of the budget statement by the Minister of Finance and by the Minister of Finance and speeches by the Minister of Finance and speeches by by the Minister of Finance and speeches by the by the Minister of Finance and speeches by the party by the Minister of Finance and speeches by the party leaders, speeches by the party leaders, urgency speeches by the party leaders, urgency will speeches by the party leaders, urgency will be speeches by the party leaders, urgency will be moved. speeches by the party leaders, urgency will be moved. The speeches by the party leaders, urgency will be moved. The Hon speeches by the party leaders, urgency will be moved. The Hon Gerry urgency will be moved. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. urgency will be moved. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. I urgency will be moved. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. I thank urgency will be moved. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. I thank the urgency will be moved. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. I thank the Leader urgency will be moved. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. I thank the Leader of urgency will be moved. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. I thank the Leader of the Brownlee. I thank the Leader of the House Brownlee. I thank the Leader of the House for Brownlee. I thank the Leader of the House for that Brownlee. I thank the Leader of the House for that very Brownlee. 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The House comes for first reading. The House comes to for first reading. The House comes to Oral for first reading. The House comes to Oral Questions. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: Is Finance: Is the Finance: Is the Government Finance: Is the Government still Finance: Is the Government still committed Is the Government still committed to Is the Government still committed to "reducing Is the Government still committed to "reducing net Is the Government still committed to "reducing net debt Is the Government still committed to "reducing net debt to Is the Government still committed to "reducing net debt to 20% Is the Government still committed to "reducing net debt to 20% of Is the Government still committed to "reducing net debt to 20% of GDP" to "reducing net debt to 20% of GDP" as to "reducing net debt to 20% of GDP" as outlined to "reducing net debt to 20% of GDP" as outlined in to "reducing net debt to 20% of GDP" as outlined in the to "reducing net debt to 20% of GDP" as outlined in the Speech as outlined in the Speech from as outlined in the Speech from the as outlined in the Speech from the Throne? 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The commitment of this Government is that we not correct. The commitment of this Government is that we would not correct. The commitment of this Government is that we would reduce Government is that we would reduce net Government is that we would reduce net debt Government is that we would reduce net debt to Government is that we would reduce net debt to 20% Government is that we would reduce net debt to 20% of Government is that we would reduce net debt to 20% of GDP Government is that we would reduce net debt to 20% of GDP within Government is that we would reduce net debt to 20% of GDP within five net debt to 20% of GDP within five years net debt to 20% of GDP within five years of net debt to 20% of GDP within five years of taking net debt to 20% of GDP within five years of taking office. net debt to 20% of GDP within five years of taking office. We net debt to 20% of GDP within five years of taking office. We are years of taking office. We are absolutely years of taking office. 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The underwrite enables builders to have certainty, to builders to have certainty, to obtain builders to have certainty, to obtain finance builders to have certainty, to obtain finance and builders to have certainty, to obtain finance and free builders to have certainty, to obtain finance and free up builders to have certainty, to obtain finance and free up their obtain finance and free up their investment obtain finance and free up their investment in obtain finance and free up their investment in a obtain finance and free up their investment in a reasonable obtain finance and free up their investment in a reasonable time investment in a reasonable time frame investment in a reasonable time frame which investment in a reasonable time frame which allows investment in a reasonable time frame which allows them investment in a reasonable time frame which allows them to investment in a reasonable time frame which allows them to go investment in a reasonable time frame which allows them to go on investment in a reasonable time frame which allows them to go on and frame which allows them to go on and build frame which allows them to go on and build more frame which allows them to go on and build more homes. frame which allows them to go on and build more homes. The frame which allows them to go on and build more homes. The Government build more homes. The Government then build more homes. The Government then continues build more homes. The Government then continues to build more homes. The Government then continues to market build more homes. The Government then continues to market these build more homes. The Government then continues to market these homes then continues to market these homes to then continues to market these homes to KiwiBuild then continues to market these homes to KiwiBuild buyers then continues to market these homes to KiwiBuild buyers and then continues to market these homes to KiwiBuild buyers and by then continues to market these homes to KiwiBuild buyers and by sharing to KiwiBuild buyers and by sharing the to KiwiBuild buyers and by sharing the burden to KiwiBuild buyers and by sharing the burden of to KiwiBuild buyers and by sharing the burden of that to KiwiBuild buyers and by sharing the burden of that risk to KiwiBuild buyers and by sharing the burden of that risk with the burden of that risk with developers, the burden of that risk with developers, the the burden of that risk with developers, the Government the burden of that risk with developers, the Government is developers, the Government is getting developers, the Government is getting affordable developers, the Government is getting affordable homes developers, the Government is getting affordable homes built developers, the Government is getting affordable homes built and getting affordable homes built and as getting affordable homes built and as I getting affordable homes built and as I told getting affordable homes built and as I told the getting affordable homes built and as I told the member getting affordable homes built and as I told the member in getting affordable homes built and as I told the member in question as I told the member in question time as I told the member in question time on as I told the member in question time on Tuesday, as I told the member in question time on Tuesday, the as I told the member in question time on Tuesday, the ministry as I told the member in question time on Tuesday, the ministry has time on Tuesday, the ministry has already time on Tuesday, the ministry has already acquired time on Tuesday, the ministry has already acquired three time on Tuesday, the ministry has already acquired three homes time on Tuesday, the ministry has already acquired three homes in already acquired three homes in Canterbury already acquired three homes in Canterbury that already acquired three homes in Canterbury that are already acquired three homes in Canterbury that are currently already acquired three homes in Canterbury that are currently on already acquired three homes in Canterbury that are currently on the Canterbury that are currently on the market Canterbury that are currently on the market for Canterbury that are currently on the market for eligible Canterbury that are currently on the market for eligible buyers, market for eligible buyers, therefore, market for eligible buyers, therefore, the market for eligible buyers, therefore, the answer market for eligible buyers, therefore, the answer to market for eligible buyers, therefore, the answer to the therefore, the answer to the member's therefore, the answer to the member's question therefore, the answer to the member's question is therefore, the answer to the member's question is no. therefore, the answer to the member's question is no. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Housing and Urban Development: What Housing and Urban Development: What announcements Housing and Urban Development: What announcements has What announcements has the What announcements has the Government What announcements has the Government made What announcements has the Government made about What announcements has the Government made about providing the Government made about providing wrap the Government made about providing wrap around the Government made about providing wrap around support the Government made about providing wrap around support and the Government made about providing wrap around support and housing wrap around support and housing to wrap around support and housing to homeless wrap around support and housing to homeless New wrap around support and housing to homeless New Zealanders? 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The PM has announced that the wellbeing has announced that the wellbeing budget has announced that the wellbeing budget will has announced that the wellbeing budget will expand has announced that the wellbeing budget will expand housing has announced that the wellbeing budget will expand housing first has announced that the wellbeing budget will expand housing first to budget will expand housing first to provide budget will expand housing first to provide wraparound budget will expand housing first to provide wraparound support budget will expand housing first to provide wraparound support and provide wraparound support and housing provide wraparound support and housing to provide wraparound support and housing to more provide wraparound support and housing to more than provide wraparound support and housing to more than 1,000 provide wraparound support and housing to more than 1,000 extra housing to more than 1,000 extra households. housing to more than 1,000 extra households. 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Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, on Mr Speaker, on behalf Mr Speaker, on behalf of Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister for Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister for Economic Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister for Economic Development, Minister for Economic Development, aware Minister for Economic Development, aware of Minister for Economic Development, aware of the Minister for Economic Development, aware of the way Minister for Economic Development, aware of the way that Minister for Economic Development, aware of the way that the Minister for Economic Development, aware of the way that the Minister aware of the way that the Minister of aware of the way that the Minister of Finance's aware of the way that the Minister of Finance's question aware of the way that the Minister of Finance's question was aware of the way that the Minister of Finance's question was curtailed of Finance's question was curtailed yesterday, of Finance's question was curtailed yesterday, I of Finance's question was curtailed yesterday, I will of Finance's question was curtailed yesterday, I will keep of Finance's question was curtailed yesterday, I will keep this of Finance's question was curtailed yesterday, I will keep this brief. yesterday, I will keep this brief. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> The <INTERRUPTION> The economic <INTERRUPTION> The economic strategy <INTERRUPTION> The economic strategy that <INTERRUPTION> The economic strategy that the The economic strategy that the Government The economic strategy that the Government has The economic strategy that the Government has is The economic strategy that the Government has is to The economic strategy that the Government has is to grow The economic strategy that the Government has is to grow and The economic strategy that the Government has is to grow and share Government has is to grow and share New Government has is to grow and share New Zealand's Government has is to grow and share New Zealand's prosperity Government has is to grow and share New Zealand's prosperity more New Zealand's prosperity more fairly, New Zealand's prosperity more fairly, support New Zealand's prosperity more fairly, support thriving New Zealand's prosperity more fairly, support thriving and fairly, support thriving and sustainable fairly, support thriving and sustainable regions, fairly, support thriving and sustainable regions, govern sustainable regions, govern responsibly sustainable regions, govern responsibly and sustainable regions, govern responsibly and develop sustainable regions, govern responsibly and develop border responsibly and develop border measures responsibly and develop border measures of responsibly and develop border measures of success responsibly and develop border measures of success and responsibly and develop border measures of success and transition measures of success and transition to measures of success and transition to a measures of success and transition to a clean, measures of success and transition to a clean, green measures of success and transition to a clean, green carbon measures of success and transition to a clean, green carbon neutral measures of success and transition to a clean, green carbon neutral New to a clean, green carbon neutral New Zealand. to a clean, green carbon neutral New Zealand. We to a clean, green carbon neutral New Zealand. We want to a clean, green carbon neutral New Zealand. We want equality to a clean, green carbon neutral New Zealand. We want equality of Zealand. We want equality of opportunity Zealand. We want equality of opportunity and Zealand. We want equality of opportunity and more Zealand. We want equality of opportunity and more equal Zealand. We want equality of opportunity and more equal outcomes. opportunity and more equal outcomes. We opportunity and more equal outcomes. We aim opportunity and more equal outcomes. We aim to opportunity and more equal outcomes. We aim to diversify opportunity and more equal outcomes. We aim to diversify our opportunity and more equal outcomes. We aim to diversify our export opportunity and more equal outcomes. We aim to diversify our export base We aim to diversify our export base turning We aim to diversify our export base turning value We aim to diversify our export base turning value to We aim to diversify our export base turning value to value We aim to diversify our export base turning value to value and We aim to diversify our export base turning value to value and I We aim to diversify our export base turning value to value and I note turning value to value and I note experts turning value to value and I note experts is turning value to value and I note experts is a turning value to value and I note experts is a percentage turning value to value and I note experts is a percentage of turning value to value and I note experts is a percentage of GDP turning value to value and I note experts is a percentage of GDP have experts is a percentage of GDP have risen experts is a percentage of GDP have risen from experts is a percentage of GDP have risen from 26. experts is a percentage of GDP have risen from 26. to experts is a percentage of GDP have risen from 26. to 28. experts is a percentage of GDP have risen from 26. to 28. 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We also have a focus on a just transition to a low focus on a just transition to a low carbon focus on a just transition to a low carbon economy, focus on a just transition to a low carbon economy, meeting focus on a just transition to a low carbon economy, meeting future focus on a just transition to a low carbon economy, meeting future of carbon economy, meeting future of work carbon economy, meeting future of work with carbon economy, meeting future of work with confidence, carbon economy, meeting future of work with confidence, building work with confidence, building better work with confidence, building better and work with confidence, building better and greater work with confidence, building better and greater infrastructure better and greater infrastructure and better and greater infrastructure and improving better and greater infrastructure and improving the better and greater infrastructure and improving the institutions better and greater infrastructure and improving the institutions that and improving the institutions that underpin and improving the institutions that underpin the and improving the institutions that underpin the economic and improving the institutions that underpin the economic development. underpin the economic development. 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And if so, is fourth different answer I have received? And if so, is he fourth different answer I have received? And if so, is he surprised received? And if so, is he surprised that received? And if so, is he surprised that everyone received? And if so, is he surprised that everyone is received? And if so, is he surprised that everyone is confused received? And if so, is he surprised that everyone is confused as received? And if so, is he surprised that everyone is confused as to received? And if so, is he surprised that everyone is confused as to what that everyone is confused as to what the that everyone is confused as to what the growth that everyone is confused as to what the growth strategy that everyone is confused as to what the growth strategy is? that everyone is confused as to what the growth strategy is? Mr that everyone is confused as to what the growth strategy is? Mr Speaker, the growth strategy is? Mr Speaker, the the growth strategy is? Mr Speaker, the economic the growth strategy is? Mr Speaker, the economic development the growth strategy is? Mr Speaker, the economic development strategy the growth strategy is? Mr Speaker, the economic development strategy of the economic development strategy of the the economic development strategy of the Government the economic development strategy of the Government is the economic development strategy of the Government is clear the economic development strategy of the Government is clear - the economic development strategy of the Government is clear - the the Government is clear - the confused the Government is clear - the confused person the Government is clear - the confused person in the Government is clear - the confused person in this the Government is clear - the confused person in this case the Government is clear - the confused person in this case is the Government is clear - the confused person in this case is the confused person in this case is the member confused person in this case is the member asking confused person in this case is the member asking the confused person in this case is the member asking the question. confused person in this case is the member asking the question. 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Wouldn't it be a more accurate description of it be a more accurate description of the it be a more accurate description of the Government's it be a more accurate description of the Government's economic the Government's economic development the Government's economic development strategy the Government's economic development strategy be the Government's economic development strategy be spend the Government's economic development strategy be spend more, development strategy be spend more, borrow development strategy be spend more, borrow more development strategy be spend more, borrow more and development strategy be spend more, borrow more and hope development strategy be spend more, borrow more and hope for development strategy be spend more, borrow more and hope for the development strategy be spend more, borrow more and hope for the best? borrow more and hope for the best? No, borrow more and hope for the best? No, Mr borrow more and hope for the best? 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An accurate description is the one that I have description is the one that I have given description is the one that I have given which description is the one that I have given which has description is the one that I have given which has turned description is the one that I have given which has turned around description is the one that I have given which has turned around our given which has turned around our export given which has turned around our export performance given which has turned around our export performance which given which has turned around our export performance which declined given which has turned around our export performance which declined on export performance which declined on - export performance which declined on - under export performance which declined on - under the export performance which declined on - under the last export performance which declined on - under the last Government - under the last Government consistency - under the last Government consistency despite - under the last Government consistency despite their - under the last Government consistency despite their big - under the last Government consistency despite their big bold consistency despite their big bold claims. consistency despite their big bold claims. This consistency despite their big bold claims. This is consistency despite their big bold claims. This is a consistency despite their big bold claims. This is a Government consistency despite their big bold claims. This is a Government that consistency despite their big bold claims. This is a Government that is claims. This is a Government that is getting claims. This is a Government that is getting alongside claims. This is a Government that is getting alongside industries claims. This is a Government that is getting alongside industries and getting alongside industries and communes getting alongside industries and communes right getting alongside industries and communes right around getting alongside industries and communes right around New getting alongside industries and communes right around New Zealand getting alongside industries and communes right around New Zealand to communes right around New Zealand to make communes right around New Zealand to make sure communes right around New Zealand to make sure that communes right around New Zealand to make sure that they communes right around New Zealand to make sure that they grow communes right around New Zealand to make sure that they grow sustainably make sure that they grow sustainably through make sure that they grow sustainably through the make sure that they grow sustainably through the Provincial make sure that they grow sustainably through the Provincial Growth make sure that they grow sustainably through the Provincial Growth Fund, through the Provincial Growth Fund, through through the Provincial Growth Fund, through the through the Provincial Growth Fund, through the just through the Provincial Growth Fund, through the just transition through the Provincial Growth Fund, through the just transition we're through the just transition we're doing. through the just transition we're doing. 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Mr decline in the economy and new job creation has dried up? Mr Speaker, creation has dried up? Mr Speaker, the creation has dried up? Mr Speaker, the Reserve creation has dried up? Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank creation has dried up? Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank Governor creation has dried up? Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank Governor wept creation has dried up? Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank Governor wept on creation has dried up? Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank Governor wept on to the Reserve Bank Governor wept on to say, the Reserve Bank Governor wept on to say, on the Reserve Bank Governor wept on to say, on behalf the Reserve Bank Governor wept on to say, on behalf of the Reserve Bank Governor wept on to say, on behalf of the the Reserve Bank Governor wept on to say, on behalf of the Minister, the Reserve Bank Governor wept on to say, on behalf of the Minister, that say, on behalf of the Minister, that the say, on behalf of the Minister, that the fiscal say, on behalf of the Minister, that the fiscal strategy say, on behalf of the Minister, that the fiscal strategy is say, on behalf of the Minister, that the fiscal strategy is helping say, on behalf of the Minister, that the fiscal strategy is helping the the fiscal strategy is helping the economy the fiscal strategy is helping the economy at the fiscal strategy is helping the economy at the the fiscal strategy is helping the economy at the moment. the fiscal strategy is helping the economy at the moment. 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And if the member had been at communities and invest. And if the member had been at the communities and invest. 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Question has been updated since that time. Question No. has been updated since that time. Question No. 5. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: Health: How Health: How many Health: How many adult Health: How many adult New Health: How many adult New Zealanders How many adult New Zealanders reported How many adult New Zealanders reported an How many adult New Zealanders reported an unmet How many adult New Zealanders reported an unmet need How many adult New Zealanders reported an unmet need for How many adult New Zealanders reported an unmet need for GPs How many adult New Zealanders reported an unmet need for GPs due reported an unmet need for GPs due to reported an unmet need for GPs due to cost reported an unmet need for GPs due to cost in reported an unmet need for GPs due to cost in the reported an unmet need for GPs due to cost in the past reported an unmet need for GPs due to cost in the past 12 reported an unmet need for GPs due to cost in the past 12 months to cost in the past 12 months according to cost in the past 12 months according to to cost in the past 12 months according to the to cost in the past 12 months according to the results according to the results of according to the results of the according to the results of the 2017/18 according to the results of the 2017/18 New according to the results of the 2017/18 New Zealand according to the results of the 2017/18 New Zealand Health of the 2017/18 New Zealand Health Survey, of the 2017/18 New Zealand Health Survey, and of the 2017/18 New Zealand Health Survey, and how of the 2017/18 New Zealand Health Survey, and how does of the 2017/18 New Zealand Health Survey, and how does that of the 2017/18 New Zealand Health Survey, and how does that compare Survey, and how does that compare with Survey, and how does that compare with the Survey, and how does that compare with the 2016/17 Survey, and how does that compare with the 2016/17 survey? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, I'm Mr Speaker, I'm advised Mr Speaker, I'm advised that Mr Speaker, I'm advised that an Mr Speaker, I'm advised that an estimated Mr Speaker, I'm advised that an estimated 585,000 Mr Speaker, I'm advised that an estimated 585,000 people Mr Speaker, I'm advised that an estimated 585,000 people did Mr Speaker, I'm advised that an estimated 585,000 people did not estimated 585,000 people did not access estimated 585,000 people did not access GP estimated 585,000 people did not access GP visits estimated 585,000 people did not access GP visits due estimated 585,000 people did not access GP visits due - estimated 585,000 people did not access GP visits due - GP estimated 585,000 people did not access GP visits due - GP services, access GP visits due - GP services, sorry, access GP visits due - GP services, sorry, due access GP visits due - GP services, sorry, due to access GP visits due - GP services, sorry, due to costs access GP visits due - GP services, sorry, due to costs in access GP visits due - GP services, sorry, due to costs in 2017/18. sorry, due to costs in 2017/18. 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Unmet care for approximately 600,000 New Zealanders. Unmet need care for approximately 600,000 New Zealanders. Unmet need for care for approximately 600,000 New Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs care for approximately 600,000 New Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs due Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs due to Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs due to cost Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs due to cost was Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs due to cost was an Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs due to cost was an estimated Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs due to cost was an estimated 547,000 Zealanders. Unmet need for GPs due to cost was an estimated 547,000 in to cost was an estimated 547,000 in 2016/17. to cost was an estimated 547,000 in 2016/17. Does to cost was an estimated 547,000 in 2016/17. Does he to cost was an estimated 547,000 in 2016/17. Does he believe to cost was an estimated 547,000 in 2016/17. Does he believe that to cost was an estimated 547,000 in 2016/17. Does he believe that his 2016/17. Does he believe that his policy 2016/17. Does he believe that his policy goal 2016/17. Does he believe that his policy goal of 2016/17. Does he believe that his policy goal of reduced 2016/17. Does he believe that his policy goal of reduced barriers 2016/17. Does he believe that his policy goal of reduced barriers to policy goal of reduced barriers to access policy goal of reduced barriers to access for policy goal of reduced barriers to access for all policy goal of reduced barriers to access for all New policy goal of reduced barriers to access for all New Zealanders policy goal of reduced barriers to access for all New Zealanders has access for all New Zealanders has been access for all New Zealanders has been achieved access for all New Zealanders has been achieved when access for all New Zealanders has been achieved when 38,000 access for all New Zealanders has been achieved when 38,000 more been achieved when 38,000 more people been achieved when 38,000 more people have been achieved when 38,000 more people have unmet been achieved when 38,000 more people have unmet needs been achieved when 38,000 more people have unmet needs for been achieved when 38,000 more people have unmet needs for GPs been achieved when 38,000 more people have unmet needs for GPs due people have unmet needs for GPs due to people have unmet needs for GPs due to cost people have unmet needs for GPs due to cost last people have unmet needs for GPs due to cost last year people have unmet needs for GPs due to cost last year compared people have unmet needs for GPs due to cost last year compared to people have unmet needs for GPs due to cost last year compared to the to cost last year compared to the previous to cost last year compared to the previous year? to cost last year compared to the previous year? Mr to cost last year compared to the previous year? Mr Speaker, to cost last year compared to the previous year? Mr Speaker, I to cost last year compared to the previous year? Mr Speaker, I thank previous year? Mr Speaker, I thank the previous year? Mr Speaker, I thank the member previous year? Mr Speaker, I thank the member for previous year? Mr Speaker, I thank the member for his previous year? Mr Speaker, I thank the member for his question previous year? Mr Speaker, I thank the member for his question and the member for his question and reiterate the member for his question and reiterate what the member for his question and reiterate what I the member for his question and reiterate what I said the member for his question and reiterate what I said in the member for his question and reiterate what I said in the reiterate what I said in the response. reiterate what I said in the response. The reiterate what I said in the response. The first reiterate what I said in the response. 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It's 540,000 more New Zealanders. It's great 540,000 more New Zealanders. It's great news 540,000 more New Zealanders. It's great news for 540,000 more New Zealanders. It's great news for those 540,000 more New Zealanders. It's great news for those people 540,000 more New Zealanders. It's great news for those people who 540,000 more New Zealanders. It's great news for those people who were great news for those people who were struggling great news for those people who were struggling to great news for those people who were struggling to access great news for those people who were struggling to access a great news for those people who were struggling to access a doctor. great news for those people who were struggling to access a doctor. On struggling to access a doctor. On top struggling to access a doctor. On top of struggling to access a doctor. On top of that, struggling to access a doctor. On top of that, and struggling to access a doctor. 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So 600,000 New Zealanders can now access New Zealanders can now access cheaper New Zealanders can now access cheaper doctor New Zealanders can now access cheaper doctor visits New Zealanders can now access cheaper doctor visits than New Zealanders can now access cheaper doctor visits than before cheaper doctor visits than before the cheaper doctor visits than before the time cheaper doctor visits than before the time - cheaper doctor visits than before the time - the cheaper doctor visits than before the time - the time cheaper doctor visits than before the time - the time that cheaper doctor visits than before the time - the time that the the time - the time that the member's the time - the time that the member's highlighting. the time - the time that the member's highlighting. How the time - the time that the member's highlighting. How does the time - the time that the member's highlighting. How does that member's highlighting. How does that figure member's highlighting. How does that figure of member's highlighting. How does that figure of 540,000 member's highlighting. How does that figure of 540,000 adult member's highlighting. How does that figure of 540,000 adult New figure of 540,000 adult New Zealanders figure of 540,000 adult New Zealanders compare figure of 540,000 adult New Zealanders compare with figure of 540,000 adult New Zealanders compare with his figure of 540,000 adult New Zealanders compare with his lofty Zealanders compare with his lofty promise Zealanders compare with his lofty promise that Zealanders compare with his lofty promise that every Zealanders compare with his lofty promise that every single Zealanders compare with his lofty promise that every single adult Zealanders compare with his lofty promise that every single adult New promise that every single adult New Zealander promise that every single adult New Zealander would promise that every single adult New Zealander would be promise that every single adult New Zealander would be getting promise that every single adult New Zealander would be getting a Zealander would be getting a reduction Zealander would be getting a reduction in Zealander would be getting a reduction in fees? Zealander would be getting a reduction in fees? And Zealander would be getting a reduction in fees? And when Zealander would be getting a reduction in fees? And when will reduction in fees? And when will that reduction in fees? And when will that occur? reduction in fees? And when will that occur? Mr reduction in fees? And when will that occur? Mr Speaker, reduction in fees? And when will that occur? Mr Speaker, it reduction in fees? And when will that occur? Mr Speaker, it is reduction in fees? And when will that occur? Mr Speaker, it is true that occur? Mr Speaker, it is true that that occur? Mr Speaker, it is true that we that occur? Mr Speaker, it is true that we have that occur? Mr Speaker, it is true that we have an that occur? Mr Speaker, it is true that we have an ambition that occur? Mr Speaker, it is true that we have an ambition of that occur? Mr Speaker, it is true that we have an ambition of making that we have an ambition of making sure that we have an ambition of making sure more that we have an ambition of making sure more New that we have an ambition of making sure more New Zealanders that we have an ambition of making sure more New Zealanders can that we have an ambition of making sure more New Zealanders can access sure more New Zealanders can access affordable sure more New Zealanders can access affordable primary sure more New Zealanders can access affordable primary care sure more New Zealanders can access affordable primary care that. sure more New Zealanders can access affordable primary care that. Is affordable primary care that. Is something affordable primary care that. Is something this affordable primary care that. Is something this Government affordable primary care that. Is something this Government is something this Government is absolutely something this Government is absolutely committed something this Government is absolutely committed to. something this Government is absolutely committed to. And something this Government is absolutely committed to. And I'd absolutely committed to. And I'd also absolutely committed to. And I'd also note absolutely committed to. And I'd also note that absolutely committed to. And I'd also note that the absolutely committed to. And I'd also note that the family's absolutely committed to. And I'd also note that the family's packages also note that the family's packages have also note that the family's packages have 384,000 also note that the family's packages have 384,000 New also note that the family's packages have 384,000 New Zealanders also note that the family's packages have 384,000 New Zealanders and also note that the family's packages have 384,000 New Zealanders and when have 384,000 New Zealanders and when it's have 384,000 New Zealanders and when it's fully have 384,000 New Zealanders and when it's fully rolled have 384,000 New Zealanders and when it's fully rolled out have 384,000 New Zealanders and when it's fully rolled out it have 384,000 New Zealanders and when it's fully rolled out it will have 384,000 New Zealanders and when it's fully rolled out it will be have 384,000 New Zealanders and when it's fully rolled out it will be $75 it's fully rolled out it will be $75 a it's fully rolled out it will be $75 a week it's fully rolled out it will be $75 a week in it's fully rolled out it will be $75 a week in those it's fully rolled out it will be $75 a week in those house it's fully rolled out it will be $75 a week in those house that it's fully rolled out it will be $75 a week in those house that they it's fully rolled out it will be $75 a week in those house that they will a week in those house that they will benefit a week in those house that they will benefit from. a week in those house that they will benefit from. We're a week in those house that they will benefit from. We're very a week in those house that they will benefit from. We're very clearly benefit from. We're very clearly targeting benefit from. We're very clearly targeting a benefit from. We're very clearly targeting a situation benefit from. We're very clearly targeting a situation where benefit from. We're very clearly targeting a situation where more targeting a situation where more people targeting a situation where more people can targeting a situation where more people can afford targeting a situation where more people can afford to targeting a situation where more people can afford to go targeting a situation where more people can afford to go and targeting a situation where more people can afford to go and get targeting a situation where more people can afford to go and get the people can afford to go and get the primary people can afford to go and get the primary care people can afford to go and get the primary care they people can afford to go and get the primary care they need. people can afford to go and get the primary care they need. When people can afford to go and get the primary care they need. When the people can afford to go and get the primary care they need. When the GP primary care they need. When the GP fees primary care they need. When the GP fees changes primary care they need. When the GP fees changes were primary care they need. When the GP fees changes were implemented, primary care they need. When the GP fees changes were implemented, did fees changes were implemented, did his fees changes were implemented, did his ministry fees changes were implemented, did his ministry tell fees changes were implemented, did his ministry tell general fees changes were implemented, did his ministry tell general practises his ministry tell general practises they his ministry tell general practises they should his ministry tell general practises they should increase his ministry tell general practises they should increase the they should increase the consultation they should increase the consultation fee they should increase the consultation fee for they should increase the consultation fee for patients consultation fee for patients without consultation fee for patients without a consultation fee for patients without a community consultation fee for patients without a community services consultation fee for patients without a community services card without a community services card and without a community services card and has without a community services card and has that without a community services card and has that resulted without a community services card and has that resulted in without a community services card and has that resulted in an and has that resulted in an increased and has that resulted in an increased number and has that resulted in an increased number of and has that resulted in an increased number of adults and has that resulted in an increased number of adults saying increased number of adults saying they increased number of adults saying they avoid increased number of adults saying they avoid the increased number of adults saying they avoid the GP increased number of adults saying they avoid the GP because increased number of adults saying they avoid the GP because of increased number of adults saying they avoid the GP because of cost? they avoid the GP because of cost? Mr they avoid the GP because of cost? Mr Speaker, they avoid the GP because of cost? Mr Speaker, I they avoid the GP because of cost? Mr Speaker, I think they avoid the GP because of cost? Mr Speaker, I think it they avoid the GP because of cost? Mr Speaker, I think it would they avoid the GP because of cost? Mr Speaker, I think it would be they avoid the GP because of cost? Mr Speaker, I think it would be very Mr Speaker, I think it would be very difficult Mr Speaker, I think it would be very difficult to Mr Speaker, I think it would be very difficult to trace Mr Speaker, I think it would be very difficult to trace all Mr Speaker, I think it would be very difficult to trace all of Mr Speaker, I think it would be very difficult to trace all of that difficult to trace all of that causality. difficult to trace all of that causality. The difficult to trace all of that causality. The member difficult to trace all of that causality. The member knows, difficult to trace all of that causality. The member knows, I'm causality. The member knows, I'm sure, causality. The member knows, I'm sure, that causality. The member knows, I'm sure, that increased causality. The member knows, I'm sure, that increased in causality. The member knows, I'm sure, that increased in primary causality. The member knows, I'm sure, that increased in primary care sure, that increased in primary care visits sure, that increased in primary care visits are sure, that increased in primary care visits are agreed sure, that increased in primary care visits are agreed with sure, that increased in primary care visits are agreed with DHBs sure, that increased in primary care visits are agreed with DHBs each visits are agreed with DHBs each year, visits are agreed with DHBs each year, and visits are agreed with DHBs each year, and they visits are agreed with DHBs each year, and they are visits are agreed with DHBs each year, and they are done visits are agreed with DHBs each year, and they are done within visits are agreed with DHBs each year, and they are done within a year, and they are done within a range year, and they are done within a range so year, and they are done within a range so that year, and they are done within a range so that primary year, and they are done within a range so that primary care year, and they are done within a range so that primary care providers range so that primary care providers cannot range so that primary care providers cannot put range so that primary care providers cannot put up range so that primary care providers cannot put up their range so that primary care providers cannot put up their fees range so that primary care providers cannot put up their fees by range so that primary care providers cannot put up their fees by a cannot put up their fees by a dramatic cannot put up their fees by a dramatic amount cannot put up their fees by a dramatic amount from cannot put up their fees by a dramatic amount from one cannot put up their fees by a dramatic amount from one year cannot put up their fees by a dramatic amount from one year to cannot put up their fees by a dramatic amount from one year to the dramatic amount from one year to the next. dramatic amount from one year to the next. 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This has been unaffordable to get primary care. This Government has been unaffordable to get primary care. This Government is has been unaffordable to get primary care. This Government is doing care. This Government is doing something care. This Government is doing something about care. This Government is doing something about that. care. This Government is doing something about that. We're care. This Government is doing something about that. We're not something about that. We're not afraid something about that. We're not afraid to something about that. We're not afraid to tackle something about that. We're not afraid to tackle the something about that. We're not afraid to tackle the big something about that. We're not afraid to tackle the big challenges afraid to tackle the big challenges that afraid to tackle the big challenges that their afraid to tackle the big challenges that their Government afraid to tackle the big challenges that their Government sat afraid to tackle the big challenges that their Government sat on afraid to tackle the big challenges that their Government sat on the that their Government sat on the sidelines that their Government sat on the sidelines and that their Government sat on the sidelines and watched that their Government sat on the sidelines and watched get that their Government sat on the sidelines and watched get worse that their Government sat on the sidelines and watched get worse for sidelines and watched get worse for nine sidelines and watched get worse for nine long sidelines and watched get worse for nine long years sidelines and watched get worse for nine long years of sidelines and watched get worse for nine long years of neglect. sidelines and watched get worse for nine long years of neglect. Shame sidelines and watched get worse for nine long years of neglect. Shame on nine long years of neglect. Shame on them. nine long years of neglect. Shame on them. . nine long years of neglect. Shame on them. . Question nine long years of neglect. Shame on them. . Question No. nine long years of neglect. Shame on them. . Question No. 6. INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Thank INTERPRETER: Thank you, INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I have INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I have a INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I have a question INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I have a question to INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I have a question to the INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I have a question to the Minister INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I have a question to the Minister of I have a question to the Minister of Health. What What progress, What progress, if What progress, if any, What progress, if any, is What progress, if any, is being What progress, if any, is being made What progress, if any, is being made to What progress, if any, is being made to improve What progress, if any, is being made to improve care is being made to improve care and is being made to improve care and rehabilitation is being made to improve care and rehabilitation for is being made to improve care and rehabilitation for Aucklanders and rehabilitation for Aucklanders who and rehabilitation for Aucklanders who suffer and rehabilitation for Aucklanders who suffer a and rehabilitation for Aucklanders who suffer a stroke? Good Good news. Good news. High Good news. High quality Good news. High quality care Good news. High quality care and Good news. High quality care and rehabilitation Good news. High quality care and rehabilitation for Good news. High quality care and rehabilitation for the Good news. High quality care and rehabilitation for the 9,000 Good news. High quality care and rehabilitation for the 9,000 New rehabilitation for the 9,000 New Zealanders rehabilitation for the 9,000 New Zealanders who rehabilitation for the 9,000 New Zealanders who suffer rehabilitation for the 9,000 New Zealanders who suffer a rehabilitation for the 9,000 New Zealanders who suffer a stroke rehabilitation for the 9,000 New Zealanders who suffer a stroke each Zealanders who suffer a stroke each year Zealanders who suffer a stroke each year in Zealanders who suffer a stroke each year in support Zealanders who suffer a stroke each year in support of Zealanders who suffer a stroke each year in support of their Zealanders who suffer a stroke each year in support of their whanau Zealanders who suffer a stroke each year in support of their whanau is Zealanders who suffer a stroke each year in support of their whanau is a year in support of their whanau is a priority year in support of their whanau is a priority for year in support of their whanau is a priority for this year in support of their whanau is a priority for this Government. year in support of their whanau is a priority for this Government. We're priority for this Government. We're making priority for this Government. We're making progress priority for this Government. We're making progress in priority for this Government. We're making progress in tackling priority for this Government. We're making progress in tackling the making progress in tackling the contributors making progress in tackling the contributors to making progress in tackling the contributors to stroke, making progress in tackling the contributors to stroke, but making progress in tackling the contributors to stroke, but there making progress in tackling the contributors to stroke, but there is contributors to stroke, but there is a contributors to stroke, but there is a pressing contributors to stroke, but there is a pressing need contributors to stroke, but there is a pressing need to contributors to stroke, but there is a pressing need to expand contributors to stroke, but there is a pressing need to expand care contributors to stroke, but there is a pressing need to expand care and a pressing need to expand care and rehabilitation a pressing need to expand care and rehabilitation services a pressing need to expand care and rehabilitation services due a pressing need to expand care and rehabilitation services due to rehabilitation services due to population rehabilitation services due to population growth rehabilitation services due to population growth in rehabilitation services due to population growth in demographic population growth in demographic changes. population growth in demographic changes. That's population growth in demographic changes. That's why population growth in demographic changes. That's why I population growth in demographic changes. That's why I was population growth in demographic changes. That's why I was very changes. That's why I was very pleased changes. That's why I was very pleased to changes. That's why I was very pleased to confirm changes. That's why I was very pleased to confirm $30 changes. That's why I was very pleased to confirm $30 million changes. That's why I was very pleased to confirm $30 million in pleased to confirm $30 million in Crown pleased to confirm $30 million in Crown funding pleased to confirm $30 million in Crown funding for pleased to confirm $30 million in Crown funding for a pleased to confirm $30 million in Crown funding for a new pleased to confirm $30 million in Crown funding for a new integrated Crown funding for a new integrated stroke Crown funding for a new integrated stroke and Crown funding for a new integrated stroke and rehabilitation Crown funding for a new integrated stroke and rehabilitation unit Crown funding for a new integrated stroke and rehabilitation unit at stroke and rehabilitation unit at Auckland stroke and rehabilitation unit at Auckland City stroke and rehabilitation unit at Auckland City Hospital stroke and rehabilitation unit at Auckland City Hospital last Auckland City Hospital last Thursday. Thursday. INTERPRETER: Thursday. INTERPRETER: Supplementary Thursday. INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. How INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. How will INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. How will this INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. How will this make INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. How will this make a INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. How will this make a difference INTERPRETER: Supplementary question. How will this make a difference to How will this make a difference to the How will this make a difference to the lives How will this make a difference to the lives of How will this make a difference to the lives of New How will this make a difference to the lives of New Zealanders How will this make a difference to the lives of New Zealanders who the lives of New Zealanders who suffered the lives of New Zealanders who suffered a the lives of New Zealanders who suffered a strokes. the lives of New Zealanders who suffered a strokes. It's the lives of New Zealanders who suffered a strokes. It's different suffered a strokes. It's different in suffered a strokes. It's different in different suffered a strokes. It's different in different parts suffered a strokes. It's different in different parts of suffered a strokes. It's different in different parts of Auckland suffered a strokes. It's different in different parts of Auckland City in different parts of Auckland City Hospital in different parts of Auckland City Hospital with in different parts of Auckland City Hospital with two in different parts of Auckland City Hospital with two units. in different parts of Auckland City Hospital with two units. Colocating Hospital with two units. Colocating these Hospital with two units. Colocating these services Hospital with two units. Colocating these services in Hospital with two units. Colocating these services in a Hospital with two units. Colocating these services in a new these services in a new purpose-built these services in a new purpose-built 41 these services in a new purpose-built 41 bed these services in a new purpose-built 41 bed unit these services in a new purpose-built 41 bed unit will these services in a new purpose-built 41 bed unit will help purpose-built 41 bed unit will help to purpose-built 41 bed unit will help to improve purpose-built 41 bed unit will help to improve continuity purpose-built 41 bed unit will help to improve continuity of purpose-built 41 bed unit will help to improve continuity of care purpose-built 41 bed unit will help to improve continuity of care for to improve continuity of care for patients to improve continuity of care for patients and to improve continuity of care for patients and reduce to improve continuity of care for patients and reduce the to improve continuity of care for patients and reduce the overall to improve continuity of care for patients and reduce the overall time patients and reduce the overall time spent patients and reduce the overall time spent in patients and reduce the overall time spent in hospital. patients and reduce the overall time spent in hospital. How patients and reduce the overall time spent in hospital. How will patients and reduce the overall time spent in hospital. How will this spent in hospital. How will this project spent in hospital. How will this project help spent in hospital. How will this project help stroke spent in hospital. How will this project help stroke victims spent in hospital. How will this project help stroke victims outside project help stroke victims outside of project help stroke victims outside of Auckland project help stroke victims outside of Auckland DBH? project help stroke victims outside of Auckland DBH? Well, project help stroke victims outside of Auckland DBH? Well, Auckland of Auckland DBH? Well, Auckland DBH's of Auckland DBH? Well, Auckland DBH's stroke of Auckland DBH? Well, Auckland DBH's stroke unit of Auckland DBH? Well, Auckland DBH's stroke unit is of Auckland DBH? Well, Auckland DBH's stroke unit is led of Auckland DBH? Well, Auckland DBH's stroke unit is led by of Auckland DBH? Well, Auckland DBH's stroke unit is led by the DBH's stroke unit is led by the internationally DBH's stroke unit is led by the internationally renowned DBH's stroke unit is led by the internationally renowned neurologist internationally renowned neurologist Professor internationally renowned neurologist Professor Alan internationally renowned neurologist Professor Alan Barber,. internationally renowned neurologist Professor Alan Barber,. The internationally renowned neurologist Professor Alan Barber,. The clot Professor Alan Barber,. The clot retrieval Professor Alan Barber,. The clot retrieval service Professor Alan Barber,. The clot retrieval service at Professor Alan Barber,. The clot retrieval service at Auckland Professor Alan Barber,. The clot retrieval service at Auckland City retrieval service at Auckland City Hospital retrieval service at Auckland City Hospital takes retrieval service at Auckland City Hospital takes patients retrieval service at Auckland City Hospital takes patients from retrieval service at Auckland City Hospital takes patients from the Hospital takes patients from the northern Hospital takes patients from the northern and Hospital takes patients from the northern and Midland Hospital takes patients from the northern and Midland regions Hospital takes patients from the northern and Midland regions as Hospital takes patients from the northern and Midland regions as well northern and Midland regions as well as northern and Midland regions as well as from northern and Midland regions as well as from the northern and Midland regions as well as from the Auckland northern and Midland regions as well as from the Auckland area. northern and Midland regions as well as from the Auckland area. 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Mr Speaker, this new stroke care improved care at the new unit. Mr Speaker, this new stroke care and Speaker, this new stroke care and rehabilitation Speaker, this new stroke care and rehabilitation unit Speaker, this new stroke care and rehabilitation unit is Speaker, this new stroke care and rehabilitation unit is the Speaker, this new stroke care and rehabilitation unit is the final rehabilitation unit is the final large rehabilitation unit is the final large project rehabilitation unit is the final large project funded rehabilitation unit is the final large project funded from rehabilitation unit is the final large project funded from the rehabilitation unit is the final large project funded from the $750 large project funded from the $750 million large project funded from the $750 million we large project funded from the $750 million we set large project funded from the $750 million we set aside large project funded from the $750 million we set aside in large project funded from the $750 million we set aside in budget large project funded from the $750 million we set aside in budget 2018 million we set aside in budget 2018 for million we set aside in budget 2018 for long million we set aside in budget 2018 for long overdue million we set aside in budget 2018 for long overdue investment million we set aside in budget 2018 for long overdue investment in million we set aside in budget 2018 for long overdue investment in our for long overdue investment in our hospitals for long overdue investment in our hospitals and for long overdue investment in our hospitals and other for long overdue investment in our hospitals and other health hospitals and other health infrastructure. hospitals and other health infrastructure. Question hospitals and other health infrastructure. Question No. hospitals and other health infrastructure. Question No. 7. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Land My question is to the Minister for Land Information: Land Information: Does Land Information: Does she Land Information: Does she stand Land Information: Does she stand by Land Information: Does she stand by all Land Information: Does she stand by all her Does she stand by all her statements, Does she stand by all her statements, actions, Does she stand by all her statements, actions, and Does she stand by all her statements, actions, and decisions? 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Are all mining applications now Are all mining applications now unsustainable Are all mining applications now unsustainable under Are all mining applications now unsustainable under the Are all mining applications now unsustainable under the minister's unsustainable under the minister's economic unsustainable under the minister's economic test unsustainable under the minister's economic test in unsustainable under the minister's economic test in the unsustainable under the minister's economic test in the OceaniaGold economic test in the OceaniaGold case economic test in the OceaniaGold case that economic test in the OceaniaGold case that an economic test in the OceaniaGold case that an investment economic test in the OceaniaGold case that an investment and case that an investment and non-renewable case that an investment and non-renewable resource case that an investment and non-renewable resource extraction case that an investment and non-renewable resource extraction is non-renewable resource extraction is inherently non-renewable resource extraction is inherently unsustainable? non-renewable resource extraction is inherently unsustainable? No, non-renewable resource extraction is inherently unsustainable? No, and non-renewable resource extraction is inherently unsustainable? No, and I inherently unsustainable? No, and I have inherently unsustainable? No, and I have previously inherently unsustainable? No, and I have previously approved inherently unsustainable? 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However I believe the member is specifically asking about member is specifically asking about the member is specifically asking about the 2016/17 member is specifically asking about the 2016/17 year member is specifically asking about the 2016/17 year and, member is specifically asking about the 2016/17 year and, therefore, member is specifically asking about the 2016/17 year and, therefore, my the 2016/17 year and, therefore, my understanding the 2016/17 year and, therefore, my understanding is the 2016/17 year and, therefore, my understanding is that the 2016/17 year and, therefore, my understanding is that the the 2016/17 year and, therefore, my understanding is that the early understanding is that the early intervention understanding is that the early intervention support understanding is that the early intervention support waiting understanding is that the early intervention support waiting list intervention support waiting list numbers intervention support waiting list numbers were intervention support waiting list numbers were at intervention support waiting list numbers were at 2,849 intervention support waiting list numbers were at 2,849 in intervention support waiting list numbers were at 2,849 in the intervention support waiting list numbers were at 2,849 in the 2018/19 numbers were at 2,849 in the 2018/19 year, numbers were at 2,849 in the 2018/19 year, they're numbers were at 2,849 in the 2018/19 year, they're at numbers were at 2,849 in the 2018/19 year, they're at 2,721, numbers were at 2,849 in the 2018/19 year, they're at 2,721, according numbers were at 2,849 in the 2018/19 year, they're at 2,721, according to year, they're at 2,721, according to the year, they're at 2,721, according to the table year, they're at 2,721, according to the table provided year, they're at 2,721, according to the table provided to year, they're at 2,721, according to the table provided to the year, they're at 2,721, according to the table provided to the member the table provided to the member under the table provided to the member under her the table provided to the member under her written the table provided to the member under her written question the table provided to the member under her written question 16803. the table provided to the member under her written question 16803. Mr under her written question 16803. Mr Speaker... under her written question 16803. Mr Speaker... So under her written question 16803. Mr Speaker... So does under her written question 16803. Mr Speaker... So does the under her written question 16803. Mr Speaker... So does the Minister Speaker... So does the Minister stand Speaker... So does the Minister stand by Speaker... So does the Minister stand by her Speaker... So does the Minister stand by her answer Speaker... So does the Minister stand by her answer to Speaker... So does the Minister stand by her answer to written stand by her answer to written question stand by her answer to written question 16745 stand by her answer to written question 16745 which stand by her answer to written question 16745 which shows stand by her answer to written question 16745 which shows that stand by her answer to written question 16745 which shows that in question 16745 which shows that in every question 16745 which shows that in every region question 16745 which shows that in every region of question 16745 which shows that in every region of New question 16745 which shows that in every region of New Zealand, question 16745 which shows that in every region of New Zealand, average every region of New Zealand, average waiting every region of New Zealand, average waiting times every region of New Zealand, average waiting times for every region of New Zealand, average waiting times for early every region of New Zealand, average waiting times for early intervention waiting times for early intervention support waiting times for early intervention support are waiting times for early intervention support are greater waiting times for early intervention support are greater in waiting times for early intervention support are greater in the waiting times for early intervention support are greater in the 2018/19 support are greater in the 2018/19 financial support are greater in the 2018/19 financial year support are greater in the 2018/19 financial year than support are greater in the 2018/19 financial year than they support are greater in the 2018/19 financial year than they were support are greater in the 2018/19 financial year than they were in support are greater in the 2018/19 financial year than they were in the financial year than they were in the 2016/17 financial year than they were in the 2016/17 financial financial year than they were in the 2016/17 financial year? financial year than they were in the 2016/17 financial year? And financial year than they were in the 2016/17 financial year? And what 2016/17 financial year? And what does 2016/17 financial year? And what does that 2016/17 financial year? And what does that say 2016/17 financial year? And what does that say about 2016/17 financial year? And what does that say about the 2016/17 financial year? And what does that say about the year 2016/17 financial year? And what does that say about the year of does that say about the year of delivery? does that say about the year of delivery? Thank does that say about the year of delivery? Thank you, does that say about the year of delivery? Thank you, Mr does that say about the year of delivery? Thank you, Mr Speaker. does that say about the year of delivery? Thank you, Mr Speaker. And delivery? Thank you, Mr Speaker. And I delivery? Thank you, Mr Speaker. And I thank delivery? Thank you, Mr Speaker. And I thank the delivery? Thank you, Mr Speaker. And I thank the member delivery? Thank you, Mr Speaker. And I thank the member for delivery? Thank you, Mr Speaker. And I thank the member for actually I thank the member for actually identifying I thank the member for actually identifying the I thank the member for actually identifying the written I thank the member for actually identifying the written question I thank the member for actually identifying the written question she identifying the written question she wants identifying the written question she wants me identifying the written question she wants me to identifying the written question she wants me to answer identifying the written question she wants me to answer on identifying the written question she wants me to answer on because identifying the written question she wants me to answer on because that wants me to answer on because that is wants me to answer on because that is helpful. wants me to answer on because that is helpful. <INTERRUPTION> is helpful. <INTERRUPTION> Order! is helpful. <INTERRUPTION> Order! 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I would point out the increases that I point out the increases that I mentioned point out the increases that I mentioned previously point out the increases that I mentioned previously for point out the increases that I mentioned previously for which point out the increases that I mentioned previously for which there mentioned previously for which there was mentioned previously for which there was no mentioned previously for which there was no planning mentioned previously for which there was no planning under mentioned previously for which there was no planning under that mentioned previously for which there was no planning under that member's was no planning under that member's Government, was no planning under that member's Government, and was no planning under that member's Government, and also was no planning under that member's Government, and also that was no planning under that member's Government, and also that even Government, and also that even though Government, and also that even though the Government, and also that even though the wait Government, and also that even though the wait times Government, and also that even though the wait times are Government, and also that even though the wait times are greater, though the wait times are greater, because though the wait times are greater, because there though the wait times are greater, because there has though the wait times are greater, because there has been though the wait times are greater, because there has been more though the wait times are greater, because there has been more staff because there has been more staff have because there has been more staff have been because there has been more staff have been employed, because there has been more staff have been employed, has because there has been more staff have been employed, has actually have been employed, has actually been have been employed, has actually been an have been employed, has actually been an increase have been employed, has actually been an increase in have been employed, has actually been an increase in the have been employed, has actually been an increase in the number have been employed, has actually been an increase in the number of been an increase in the number of children been an increase in the number of children seen been an increase in the number of children seen even been an increase in the number of children seen even though been an increase in the number of children seen even though certain children seen even though certain wait children seen even though certain wait times children seen even though certain wait times have children seen even though certain wait times have increased. children seen even though certain wait times have increased. What children seen even though certain wait times have increased. What does wait times have increased. What does the wait times have increased. What does the Minister wait times have increased. What does the Minister say wait times have increased. What does the Minister say to wait times have increased. What does the Minister say to the wait times have increased. What does the Minister say to the family wait times have increased. What does the Minister say to the family in the Minister say to the family in the the Minister say to the family in the Waikato the Minister say to the family in the Waikato region the Minister say to the family in the Waikato region that the Minister say to the family in the Waikato region that was the Minister say to the family in the Waikato region that was forced the Waikato region that was forced to the Waikato region that was forced to wait the Waikato region that was forced to wait 462 the Waikato region that was forced to wait 462 days the Waikato region that was forced to wait 462 days for the Waikato region that was forced to wait 462 days for early to wait 462 days for early intervention to wait 462 days for early intervention support? to wait 462 days for early intervention support? And to wait 462 days for early intervention support? And will to wait 462 days for early intervention support? And will the intervention support? And will the Minister intervention support? And will the Minister act intervention support? And will the Minister act to intervention support? And will the Minister act to ensure intervention support? And will the Minister act to ensure that intervention support? And will the Minister act to ensure that never Minister act to ensure that never happens Minister act to ensure that never happens again? Minister act to ensure that never happens again? Mr Minister act to ensure that never happens again? Mr Speaker, Minister act to ensure that never happens again? Mr Speaker, I Minister act to ensure that never happens again? Mr Speaker, I would happens again? Mr Speaker, I would like happens again? Mr Speaker, I would like that happens again? Mr Speaker, I would like that member happens again? Mr Speaker, I would like that member to happens again? Mr Speaker, I would like that member to send happens again? Mr Speaker, I would like that member to send to happens again? Mr Speaker, I would like that member to send to my like that member to send to my office like that member to send to my office the like that member to send to my office the specific like that member to send to my office the specific family like that member to send to my office the specific family she's office the specific family she's talking office the specific family she's talking about. office the specific family she's talking about. If office the specific family she's talking about. If she office the specific family she's talking about. If she has office the specific family she's talking about. If she has - office the specific family she's talking about. If she has - is talking about. If she has - is referring talking about. If she has - is referring the talking about. If she has - is referring the average talking about. If she has - is referring the average length talking about. If she has - is referring the average length of talking about. 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There then again I answered that question. There was then again I answered that question. There was a then again I answered that question. There was a family, then again I answered that question. There was a family, for then again I answered that question. There was a family, for example, then again I answered that question. 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Why their child was on waiting for 438 days. Why was their child was on waiting for 438 days. Why was that? their child was on waiting for 438 days. Why was that? Because their child was on waiting for 438 days. Why was that? Because when their child was on waiting for 438 days. Why was that? Because when the days. Why was that? Because when the referral days. Why was that? Because when the referral had days. Why was that? Because when the referral had been days. Why was that? Because when the referral had been put days. Why was that? Because when the referral had been put forward, days. Why was that? Because when the referral had been put forward, the referral had been put forward, the parent referral had been put forward, the parent then referral had been put forward, the parent then contacted referral had been put forward, the parent then contacted the referral had been put forward, the parent then contacted the service parent then contacted the service and parent then contacted the service and asked parent then contacted the service and asked us parent then contacted the service and asked us to parent then contacted the service and asked us to put parent then contacted the service and asked us to put it parent then contacted the service and asked us to put it on parent then contacted the service and asked us to put it on hold. parent then contacted the service and asked us to put it on hold. It and asked us to put it on hold. It remains and asked us to put it on hold. It remains open and asked us to put it on hold. It remains open as and asked us to put it on hold. 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By the time the ministry went back to the time the ministry went back to the family, time the ministry went back to the family, the time the ministry went back to the family, the family time the ministry went back to the family, the family said, time the ministry went back to the family, the family said, "We time the ministry went back to the family, the family said, "We no family, the family said, "We no longer family, the family said, "We no longer need family, the family said, "We no longer need the family, the family said, "We no longer need the service family, the family said, "We no longer need the service because family, the family said, "We no longer need the service because we longer need the service because we have longer need the service because we have had longer need the service because we have had other longer need the service because we have had other supports." longer need the service because we have had other supports." So longer need the service because we have had other supports." So without have had other supports." So without the have had other supports." So without the specific have had other supports." So without the specific detail have had other supports." So without the specific detail of have had other supports." So without the specific detail of that have had other supports." So without the specific detail of that specific the specific detail of that specific family, the specific detail of that specific family, I the specific detail of that specific family, I cannot the specific detail of that specific family, I cannot confirm the specific detail of that specific family, I cannot confirm whether the specific detail of that specific family, I cannot confirm whether the family, I cannot confirm whether the member family, I cannot confirm whether the member is family, I cannot confirm whether the member is - family, I cannot confirm whether the member is - this family, I cannot confirm whether the member is - this family's family, I cannot confirm whether the member is - this family's situation member is - this family's situation is member is - this family's situation is the member is - this family's situation is the same member is - this family's situation is the same as member is - this family's situation is the same as one member is - this family's situation is the same as one in member is - this family's situation is the same as one in Wellington member is - this family's situation is the same as one in Wellington or is the same as one in Wellington or not. is the same as one in Wellington or not. 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Mr Speaker, the since that commitment was made? Mr Speaker, the Government since that commitment was made? Mr Speaker, the Government made since that commitment was made? Mr Speaker, the Government made a Speaker, the Government made a commitment Speaker, the Government made a commitment because Speaker, the Government made a commitment because we Speaker, the Government made a commitment because we want Speaker, the Government made a commitment because we want to Speaker, the Government made a commitment because we want to make Speaker, the Government made a commitment because we want to make a commitment because we want to make a difference commitment because we want to make a difference for commitment because we want to make a difference for these commitment because we want to make a difference for these families commitment because we want to make a difference for these families and commitment because we want to make a difference for these families and we difference for these families and we underestimate difference for these families and we underestimate what difference for these families and we underestimate what the difference for these families and we underestimate what the public underestimate what the public service underestimate what the public service cap underestimate what the public service cap had underestimate what the public service cap had - underestimate what the public service cap had - how underestimate what the public service cap had - how much underestimate what the public service cap had - how much it underestimate what the public service cap had - how much it had service cap had - how much it had affected service cap had - how much it had affected the service cap had - how much it had affected the workforce. service cap had - how much it had affected the workforce. 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If so, why is he now say that the so, why is he now say that the previous so, why is he now say that the previous Cabinet so, why is he now say that the previous Cabinet had so, why is he now say that the previous Cabinet had it so, why is he now say that the previous Cabinet had it wrong? so, why is he now say that the previous Cabinet had it wrong? the previous Cabinet had it wrong? the previous Cabinet had it wrong? the previous Cabinet had it wrong? the previous Cabinet previous Cabinet had it wrong? the previous Cabinet had previous Cabinet had it wrong? the previous Cabinet had it previous Cabinet had it wrong? the previous Cabinet had it wrong? previous Cabinet had it wrong? the previous Cabinet had it wrong? I previous Cabinet had it wrong? the previous Cabinet had it wrong? I am previous Cabinet had it wrong? I am saying previous Cabinet had it wrong? I am saying the previous Cabinet had it wrong? I am saying the previous previous Cabinet had it wrong? I am saying the previous Government previous Cabinet had it wrong? 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This Government has not proposed the Government has not proposed the legalisation Government has not proposed the legalisation of Government has not proposed the legalisation of cannabis Government has not proposed the legalisation of cannabis so Government has not proposed the legalisation of cannabis so it Government has not proposed the legalisation of cannabis so it is legalisation of cannabis so it is hypothetical. legalisation of cannabis so it is hypothetical. Supplementary. legalisation of cannabis so it is hypothetical. Supplementary. Will legalisation of cannabis so it is hypothetical. Supplementary. Will he hypothetical. Supplementary. Will he give hypothetical. Supplementary. Will he give an hypothetical. Supplementary. Will he give an assurance hypothetical. Supplementary. Will he give an assurance that hypothetical. Supplementary. Will he give an assurance that random give an assurance that random roadside give an assurance that random roadside drug give an assurance that random roadside drug testing give an assurance that random roadside drug testing will give an assurance that random roadside drug testing will be roadside drug testing will be introduced roadside drug testing will be introduced prior roadside drug testing will be introduced prior to roadside drug testing will be introduced prior to any roadside drug testing will be introduced prior to any of roadside drug testing will be introduced prior to any of the introduced prior to any of the Government's introduced prior to any of the Government's moves introduced prior to any of the Government's moves to introduced prior to any of the Government's moves to liberalise Government's moves to liberalise access Government's moves to liberalise access to Government's moves to liberalise access to recreational Government's moves to liberalise access to recreational drugs Government's moves to liberalise access to recreational drugs taking access to recreational drugs taking effect access to recreational drugs taking effect such access to recreational drugs taking effect such as access to recreational drugs taking effect such as the access to recreational drugs taking effect such as the amendments effect such as the amendments to effect such as the amendments effect such as the amendments to the... 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It is separate to the question of the referendum bill. It is separate to the question of the referendum and bill. It is separate to the question of the referendum and both bill. 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