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INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Almighty INTERPRETER: Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed upon we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed upon us. which have been bestowed upon us. Laying which have been bestowed upon us. Laying aside which have been bestowed upon us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed upon us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed upon us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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INTERPRETER: The Minister of INTERPRETER: The Minister of Finance: INTERPRETER: The Minister of Finance: What INTERPRETER: The Minister of Finance: What recent INTERPRETER: The Minister of Finance: What recent reports INTERPRETER: The Minister of Finance: What recent reports has INTERPRETER: The Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he Finance: What recent reports has he seen Finance: What recent reports has he seen on Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy? seen on the New Zealand economy? INTERPRETER: seen on the New Zealand economy? INTERPRETER: Thank seen on the New Zealand economy? INTERPRETER: Thank you, seen on the New Zealand economy? INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr seen on the New Zealand economy? INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings to INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings to all INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings to all in INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings to all in the INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings to all in the House. Greetings to all in the House. Greetings to all in the House. ..show Greetings to all in the House. ..show good Greetings to all in the House. ..show good news Greetings to all in the House. ..show good news for Greetings to all in the House. ..show good news for Kiwi Greetings to all in the House. ..show good news for Kiwi workers. ..show good news for Kiwi workers. According ..show good news for Kiwi workers. According to ..show good news for Kiwi workers. According to data ..show good news for Kiwi workers. According to data for ..show good news for Kiwi workers. According to data for the ..show good news for Kiwi workers. According to data for the December According to data for the December 2019 According to data for the December 2019 quarter, According to data for the December 2019 quarter, average According to data for the December 2019 quarter, average hourly 2019 quarter, average hourly earnings 2019 quarter, average hourly earnings growth 2019 quarter, average hourly earnings growth remains 2019 quarter, average hourly earnings growth remains strong. earnings growth remains strong. Total earnings growth remains strong. Total average earnings growth remains strong. Total average hourly earnings growth remains strong. Total average hourly earnings earnings growth remains strong. Total average hourly earnings across Total average hourly earnings across the Total average hourly earnings across the economy Total average hourly earnings across the economy were Total average hourly earnings across the economy were up Total average hourly earnings across the economy were up 3.6% Total average hourly earnings across the economy were up 3.6% over Total average hourly earnings across the economy were up 3.6% over 2019. the economy were up 3.6% over 2019. There the economy were up 3.6% over 2019. There are the economy were up 3.6% over 2019. There are other the economy were up 3.6% over 2019. There are other measures the economy were up 3.6% over 2019. There are other measures too, the economy were up 3.6% over 2019. There are other measures too, Mr There are other measures too, Mr Speaker. There are other measures too, Mr Speaker. The There are other measures too, Mr Speaker. The Labour There are other measures too, Mr Speaker. The Labour Cost There are other measures too, Mr Speaker. The Labour Cost Index There are other measures too, Mr Speaker. The Labour Cost Index rose Speaker. The Labour Cost Index rose 2.6% Speaker. The Labour Cost Index rose 2.6% over Speaker. The Labour Cost Index rose 2.6% over 2019. Speaker. The Labour Cost Index rose 2.6% over 2019. Its Speaker. The Labour Cost Index rose 2.6% over 2019. Its strongest Speaker. The Labour Cost Index rose 2.6% over 2019. Its strongest annual 2.6% over 2019. Its strongest annual increase 2.6% over 2019. Its strongest annual increase in 2.6% over 2019. Its strongest annual increase in over 2.6% over 2019. Its strongest annual increase in over a 2.6% over 2019. Its strongest annual increase in over a decade. 2.6% over 2019. Its strongest annual increase in over a decade. By increase in over a decade. By comparison, increase in over a decade. By comparison, Stats increase in over a decade. By comparison, Stats New increase in over a decade. 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For this Government, it's 1.9% in 2019. For this Government, it's increasing 1.9% in 2019. For this Government, it's increasing wages 1.9% in 2019. For this Government, it's increasing wages that's 1.9% in 2019. For this Government, it's increasing wages that's the 1.9% in 2019. For this Government, it's increasing wages that's the key it's increasing wages that's the key to it's increasing wages that's the key to supporting it's increasing wages that's the key to supporting New it's increasing wages that's the key to supporting New Zealanders it's increasing wages that's the key to supporting New Zealanders to it's increasing wages that's the key to supporting New Zealanders to meet to supporting New Zealanders to meet their to supporting New Zealanders to meet their cost to supporting New Zealanders to meet their cost of to supporting New Zealanders to meet their cost of living. to supporting New Zealanders to meet their cost of living. How to supporting New Zealanders to meet their cost of living. How is to supporting New Zealanders to meet their cost of living. How is the their cost of living. How is the Government their cost of living. How is the Government supporting their cost of living. How is the Government supporting wage their cost of living. How is the Government supporting wage growth their cost of living. How is the Government supporting wage growth in Government supporting wage growth in New Government supporting wage growth in New Zealand? Government supporting wage growth in New Zealand? This Government supporting wage growth in New Zealand? This Government Government supporting wage growth in New Zealand? This Government is New Zealand? This Government is committed New Zealand? This Government is committed to New Zealand? This Government is committed to a New Zealand? 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Our able to rectify some of the problems that we were left with. Our run-down that we were left with. Our run-down hospitals, that we were left with. Our run-down hospitals, our that we were left with. Our run-down hospitals, our run-down that we were left with. Our run-down hospitals, our run-down schools, that we were left with. Our run-down hospitals, our run-down schools, the hospitals, our run-down schools, the need hospitals, our run-down schools, the need to hospitals, our run-down schools, the need to rebuild hospitals, our run-down schools, the need to rebuild our hospitals, our run-down schools, the need to rebuild our police hospitals, our run-down schools, the need to rebuild our police force. hospitals, our run-down schools, the need to rebuild our police force. Mr need to rebuild our police force. Mr Speaker, need to rebuild our police force. Mr Speaker, all need to rebuild our police force. Mr Speaker, all of need to rebuild our police force. 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And we continue to try and build getting in. And we continue to try and build on getting in. And we continue to try and build on our getting in. And we continue to try and build on our programmes getting in. And we continue to try and build on our programmes over getting in. And we continue to try and build on our programmes over the and build on our programmes over the last and build on our programmes over the last two and build on our programmes over the last two years. and build on our programmes over the last two years. Does and build on our programmes over the last two years. Does he and build on our programmes over the last two years. Does he accept and build on our programmes over the last two years. Does he accept many last two years. Does he accept many New last two years. Does he accept many New Zealanders last two years. Does he accept many New Zealanders are last two years. Does he accept many New Zealanders are struggling last two years. Does he accept many New Zealanders are struggling with New Zealanders are struggling with the New Zealanders are struggling with the cost New Zealanders are struggling with the cost of New Zealanders are struggling with the cost of living? New Zealanders are struggling with the cost of living? I New Zealanders are struggling with the cost of living? I accept New Zealanders are struggling with the cost of living? I accept that New Zealanders are struggling with the cost of living? I accept that it the cost of living? I accept that it has the cost of living? I accept that it has been, the cost of living? I accept that it has been, since the cost of living? I accept that it has been, since time the cost of living? I accept that it has been, since time immemorial, the cost of living? 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That's how we make New that is to see wages lift. That's how we make New Zealanders that is to see wages lift. That's how we make New Zealanders more how we make New Zealanders more wealthy. how we make New Zealanders more wealthy. When how we make New Zealanders more wealthy. When he how we make New Zealanders more wealthy. When he increased how we make New Zealanders more wealthy. When he increased core wealthy. When he increased core Crown wealthy. When he increased core Crown spending wealthy. When he increased core Crown spending by wealthy. When he increased core Crown spending by $6.5 wealthy. When he increased core Crown spending by $6.5 billion wealthy. 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So teachers, not enough police officers. So that teachers, not enough police officers. So that additional officers. So that additional spending officers. So that additional spending is officers. So that additional spending is required officers. So that additional spending is required to officers. So that additional spending is required to rebuild officers. So that additional spending is required to rebuild the spending is required to rebuild the public spending is required to rebuild the public services spending is required to rebuild the public services that spending is required to rebuild the public services that New spending is required to rebuild the public services that New Zealanders public services that New Zealanders deserve. deserve. The deserve. The Rt deserve. The Rt Hon deserve. The Rt Hon PM. deserve. The Rt Hon PM. Can deserve. The Rt Hon PM. Can the deserve. The Rt Hon PM. Can the Minister The Rt Hon PM. Can the Minister confirm The Rt Hon PM. Can the Minister confirm reports The Rt Hon PM. Can the Minister confirm reports from The Rt Hon PM. Can the Minister confirm reports from Statistics The Rt Hon PM. Can the Minister confirm reports from Statistics NZ confirm reports from Statistics NZ today confirm reports from Statistics NZ today on confirm reports from Statistics NZ today on the confirm reports from Statistics NZ today on the household confirm reports from Statistics NZ today on the household income today on the household income survey, today on the household income survey, which today on the household income survey, which shows today on the household income survey, which shows that today on the household income survey, which shows that the today on the household income survey, which shows that the median survey, which shows that the median household survey, which shows that the median household equivalent survey, which shows that the median household equivalent disposable household equivalent disposable income household equivalent disposable income has household equivalent disposable income has risen household equivalent disposable income has risen 10% household equivalent disposable income has risen 10% in household equivalent disposable income has risen 10% in recent household equivalent disposable income has risen 10% in recent times income has risen 10% in recent times under income has risen 10% in recent times under this income has risen 10% in recent times under this Government? income has risen 10% in recent times under this Government? I income has risen 10% in recent times under this Government? I can income has risen 10% in recent times under this Government? I can confirm under this Government? I can confirm that under this Government? I can confirm that that under this Government? I can confirm that that is under this Government? I can confirm that that is the under this Government? I can confirm that that is the Statistics under this Government? I can confirm that that is the Statistics NZ that that is the Statistics NZ released that that is the Statistics NZ released today. that that is the Statistics NZ released today. I that that is the Statistics NZ released today. I can that that is the Statistics NZ released today. I can also that that is the Statistics NZ released today. I can also confirm released today. I can also confirm that released today. I can also confirm that the released today. I can also confirm that the average released today. I can also confirm that the average household that the average household equivalent that the average household equivalent disposable that the average household equivalent disposable income that the average household equivalent disposable income rose equivalent disposable income rose 4.9% equivalent disposable income rose 4.9% just equivalent disposable income rose 4.9% just in equivalent disposable income rose 4.9% just in 2019 equivalent disposable income rose 4.9% just in 2019 alone. 4.9% just in 2019 alone. Question 4.9% just in 2019 alone. Question No. 4.9% just in 2019 alone. Question No. 4. 4.9% just in 2019 alone. Question No. 4. Marama 4.9% just in 2019 alone. Question No. 4. Marama Davidson. Question No. 4. Marama Davidson. INTERPRETER: Question No. 4. Marama Davidson. INTERPRETER: Thank Question No. 4. Marama Davidson. INTERPRETER: Thank you, Question No. 4. Marama Davidson. INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Question No. 4. Marama Davidson. INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Housing Minister of Housing Does Minister of Housing Does he Minister of Housing Does he believe Minister of Housing Does he believe the Minister of Housing Does he believe the Residential Does he believe the Residential Tenancies Does he believe the Residential Tenancies Amendment Does he believe the Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill Tenancies Amendment Bill will Tenancies Amendment Bill will create Tenancies Amendment Bill will create a Tenancies Amendment Bill will create a fairer Tenancies Amendment Bill will create a fairer deal Tenancies Amendment Bill will create a fairer deal for Tenancies Amendment Bill will create a fairer deal for those will create a fairer deal for those who will create a fairer deal for those who rent; will create a fairer deal for those who rent; if will create a fairer deal for those who rent; if so, will create a fairer deal for those who rent; if so, how? The The Hon The Hon Kris The Hon Kris Faafoi, The Hon Kris Faafoi, with The Hon Kris Faafoi, with a The Hon Kris Faafoi, with a slight The Hon Kris Faafoi, with a slight adjustment The Hon Kris Faafoi, with a slight adjustment on The Hon Kris Faafoi, with a slight adjustment on the The Hon Kris Faafoi, with a slight adjustment on the wording. The Hon Kris Faafoi, with a slight adjustment on the wording. OK, The Hon Kris Faafoi, with a slight adjustment on the wording. OK, yes, adjustment on the wording. OK, yes, the adjustment on the wording. OK, yes, the Government adjustment on the wording. OK, yes, the Government is adjustment on the wording. OK, yes, the Government is it adjustment on the wording. OK, yes, the Government is it delivering adjustment on the wording. OK, yes, the Government is it delivering a the Government is it delivering a fairer the Government is it delivering a fairer and the Government is it delivering a fairer and more the Government is it delivering a fairer and more secure the Government is it delivering a fairer and more secure rental the Government is it delivering a fairer and more secure rental market fairer and more secure rental market for fairer and more secure rental market for renters fairer and more secure rental market for renters and fairer and more secure rental market for renters and landlords fairer and more secure rental market for renters and landlords with fairer and more secure rental market for renters and landlords with the for renters and landlords with the introduction for renters and landlords with the introduction of for renters and landlords with the introduction of the for renters and landlords with the introduction of the Residential introduction of the Residential Tenancies introduction of the Residential Tenancies Bill. Tenancies Bill. Battling Tenancies Bill. Battling the Tenancies Bill. Battling the solicitation Tenancies Bill. Battling the solicitation of Tenancies Bill. Battling the solicitation of rental Battling the solicitation of rental bids Battling the solicitation of rental bids by Battling the solicitation of rental bids by landlords. Battling the solicitation of rental bids by landlords. We're Battling the solicitation of rental bids by landlords. We're improving bids by landlords. We're improving tenants bids by landlords. We're improving tenants security. tenants security. We're tenants security. We're also tenants security. We're also giving tenants security. We're also giving landlords tenants security. We're also giving landlords new We're also giving landlords new tools We're also giving landlords new tools to We're also giving landlords new tools to deal We're also giving landlords new tools to deal with We're also giving landlords new tools to deal with antisocial tools to deal with antisocial behaviour tools to deal with antisocial behaviour and tools to deal with antisocial behaviour and also tools to deal with antisocial behaviour and also rent tools to deal with antisocial behaviour and also rent arrears. behaviour and also rent arrears. Making behaviour and also rent arrears. Making rental behaviour and also rent arrears. Making rental properties behaviour and also rent arrears. Making rental properties safer behaviour and also rent arrears. Making rental properties safer and Making rental properties safer and more Making rental properties safer and more livable Making rental properties safer and more livable is Making rental properties safer and more livable is also Making rental properties safer and more livable is also the Making rental properties safer and more livable is also the aspiration more livable is also the aspiration for more livable is also the aspiration for the more livable is also the aspiration for the bill, more livable is also the aspiration for the bill, by more livable is also the aspiration for the bill, by letting more livable is also the aspiration for the bill, by letting tenants more livable is also the aspiration for the bill, by letting tenants and for the bill, by letting tenants and mine for the bill, by letting tenants and mine - for the bill, by letting tenants and mine - by for the bill, by letting tenants and mine - by letting for the bill, by letting tenants and mine - by letting tenants for the bill, by letting tenants and mine - by letting tenants add for the bill, by letting tenants and mine - by letting tenants add minor mine - by letting tenants add minor fittings, mine - by letting tenants add minor fittings, such mine - by letting tenants add minor fittings, such as mine - by letting tenants add minor fittings, such as brackets mine - by letting tenants add minor fittings, such as brackets to mine - by letting tenants add minor fittings, such as brackets to secure fittings, such as brackets to secure furniture fittings, such as brackets to secure furniture against fittings, such as brackets to secure furniture against earthquake fittings, such as brackets to secure furniture against earthquake risk, furniture against earthquake risk, and furniture against earthquake risk, and making furniture against earthquake risk, and making their furniture against earthquake risk, and making their homes furniture against earthquake risk, and making their homes safer furniture against earthquake risk, and making their homes safer for and making their homes safer for their and making their homes safer for their young and making their homes safer for their young children. and making their homes safer for their young children. Will and making their homes safer for their young children. Will these their young children. Will these reforms their young children. Will these reforms improve their young children. Will these reforms improve housing their young children. Will these reforms improve housing security their young children. Will these reforms improve housing security so reforms improve housing security so that reforms improve housing security so that renters reforms improve housing security so that renters can reforms improve housing security so that renters can put reforms improve housing security so that renters can put down reforms improve housing security so that renters can put down roots reforms improve housing security so that renters can put down roots in that renters can put down roots in their that renters can put down roots in their communities? that renters can put down roots in their communities? Yes. that renters can put down roots in their communities? Yes. The their communities? Yes. The Government their communities? Yes. The Government considers their communities? Yes. The Government considers that their communities? Yes. The Government considers that every their communities? Yes. The Government considers that every New Government considers that every New Zealander Government considers that every New Zealander should Government considers that every New Zealander should have Government considers that every New Zealander should have a Government considers that every New Zealander should have a safe, Government considers that every New Zealander should have a safe, warm, Zealander should have a safe, warm, dry Zealander should have a safe, warm, dry and Zealander should have a safe, warm, dry and secure Zealander should have a safe, warm, dry and secure home Zealander should have a safe, warm, dry and secure home to Zealander should have a safe, warm, dry and secure home to call Zealander should have a safe, warm, dry and secure home to call their dry and secure home to call their own, dry and secure home to call their own, even dry and secure home to call their own, even if dry and secure home to call their own, even if they dry and secure home to call their own, even if they are dry and secure home to call their own, even if they are renting. dry and secure home to call their own, even if they are renting. One own, even if they are renting. One of own, even if they are renting. One of the own, even if they are renting. One of the building own, even if they are renting. One of the building blocks own, even if they are renting. One of the building blocks of own, even if they are renting. One of the building blocks of this of the building blocks of this reform of the building blocks of this reform is of the building blocks of this reform is improving of the building blocks of this reform is improving the of the building blocks of this reform is improving the security of the building blocks of this reform is improving the security of reform is improving the security of tenure. reform is improving the security of tenure. This reform is improving the security of tenure. This means reform is improving the security of tenure. This means that reform is improving the security of tenure. This means that tenants reform is improving the security of tenure. This means that tenants who tenure. This means that tenants who are tenure. This means that tenants who are meeting tenure. This means that tenants who are meeting their tenure. This means that tenants who are meeting their obligation tenure. This means that tenants who are meeting their obligation will are meeting their obligation will feel are meeting their obligation will feel confident are meeting their obligation will feel confident that are meeting their obligation will feel confident that they are meeting their obligation will feel confident that they can are meeting their obligation will feel confident that they can remain feel confident that they can remain in feel confident that they can remain in their feel confident that they can remain in their rental feel confident that they can remain in their rental homes. feel confident that they can remain in their rental homes. We've feel confident that they can remain in their rental homes. We've already in their rental homes. We've already improved in their rental homes. We've already improved housing in their rental homes. We've already improved housing security in their rental homes. We've already improved housing security in in their rental homes. We've already improved housing security in state improved housing security in state houses improved housing security in state houses by improved housing security in state houses by exempting improved housing security in state houses by exempting retirees, houses by exempting retirees, children houses by exempting retirees, children and houses by exempting retirees, children and people houses by exempting retirees, children and people with children and people with disabilities children and people with disabilities from children and people with disabilities from tenancy children and people with disabilities from tenancy reviews. disabilities from tenancy reviews. Will disabilities from tenancy reviews. Will people disabilities from tenancy reviews. Will people who disabilities from tenancy reviews. Will people who rent disabilities from tenancy reviews. Will people who rent be disabilities from tenancy reviews. Will people who rent be able disabilities from tenancy reviews. Will people who rent be able to disabilities from tenancy reviews. Will people who rent be able to make Will people who rent be able to make their Will people who rent be able to make their house Will people who rent be able to make their house a Will people who rent be able to make their house a home Will people who rent be able to make their house a home through Will people who rent be able to make their house a home through minor their house a home through minor changes, their house a home through minor changes, such their house a home through minor changes, such as their house a home through minor changes, such as putting their house a home through minor changes, such as putting up changes, such as putting up pictures, changes, such as putting up pictures, securing changes, such as putting up pictures, securing furniture changes, such as putting up pictures, securing furniture against pictures, securing furniture against earthquake pictures, securing furniture against earthquake risk, pictures, securing furniture against earthquake risk, and pictures, securing furniture against earthquake risk, and making pictures, securing furniture against earthquake risk, and making the earthquake risk, and making the property earthquake risk, and making the property safe earthquake risk, and making the property safe for earthquake risk, and making the property safe for children? earthquake risk, and making the property safe for children? Yes, earthquake risk, and making the property safe for children? Yes, as property safe for children? Yes, as I property safe for children? Yes, as I mentioned property safe for children? Yes, as I mentioned earlier, property safe for children? Yes, as I mentioned earlier, the property safe for children? Yes, as I mentioned earlier, the RTA I mentioned earlier, the RTA changes, I mentioned earlier, the RTA changes, as I mentioned earlier, the RTA changes, as proposed, I mentioned earlier, the RTA changes, as proposed, will I mentioned earlier, the RTA changes, as proposed, will allow changes, as proposed, will allow minor changes, as proposed, will allow minor fittings, changes, as proposed, will allow minor fittings, including changes, as proposed, will allow minor fittings, including securing minor fittings, including securing furniture, minor fittings, including securing furniture, protecting minor fittings, including securing furniture, protecting against furniture, protecting against earthquake furniture, protecting against earthquake risks, furniture, protecting against earthquake risks, or furniture, protecting against earthquake risks, or making earthquake risks, or making properties earthquake risks, or making properties child-safe, earthquake risks, or making properties child-safe, much earthquake risks, or making properties child-safe, much easier properties child-safe, much easier for properties child-safe, much easier for tenants, properties child-safe, much easier for tenants, working properties child-safe, much easier for tenants, working with properties child-safe, much easier for tenants, working with their for tenants, working with their landlords. for tenants, working with their landlords. The for tenants, working with their landlords. The bill for tenants, working with their landlords. The bill will for tenants, working with their landlords. The bill will allow landlords. The bill will allow tenants landlords. The bill will allow tenants to landlords. The bill will allow tenants to install landlords. The bill will allow tenants to install these landlords. The bill will allow tenants to install these minor tenants to install these minor fittings. tenants to install these minor fittings. This tenants to install these minor fittings. This is tenants to install these minor fittings. This is limited tenants to install these minor fittings. This is limited to fittings. This is limited to low-risk fittings. This is limited to low-risk fittings fittings. This is limited to low-risk fittings that fittings. This is limited to low-risk fittings that meet fittings. This is limited to low-risk fittings that meet certain low-risk fittings that meet certain criteria. low-risk fittings that meet certain criteria. Tenants low-risk fittings that meet certain criteria. Tenants will low-risk fittings that meet certain criteria. Tenants will be low-risk fittings that meet certain criteria. Tenants will be required criteria. Tenants will be required to criteria. Tenants will be required to install criteria. Tenants will be required to install and criteria. Tenants will be required to install and remove criteria. Tenants will be required to install and remove the criteria. Tenants will be required to install and remove the fittings to install and remove the fittings at to install and remove the fittings at their to install and remove the fittings at their own to install and remove the fittings at their own cost to install and remove the fittings at their own cost and to install and remove the fittings at their own cost and return to install and remove the fittings at their own cost and return the at their own cost and return the property at their own cost and return the property to at their own cost and return the property to a at their own cost and return the property to a reasonable at their own cost and return the property to a reasonable standard. property to a reasonable standard. How property to a reasonable standard. How will property to a reasonable standard. How will these property to a reasonable standard. How will these reforms property to a reasonable standard. How will these reforms limit property to a reasonable standard. How will these reforms limit rent How will these reforms limit rent increases? How will these reforms limit rent increases? Frequent How will these reforms limit rent increases? Frequent rent How will these reforms limit rent increases? Frequent rent increases increases? Frequent rent increases have increases? Frequent rent increases have been increases? Frequent rent increases have been found increases? Frequent rent increases have been found to increases? Frequent rent increases have been found to leave increases? Frequent rent increases have been found to leave tenants have been found to leave tenants vulnerable have been found to leave tenants vulnerable to have been found to leave tenants vulnerable to rental have been found to leave tenants vulnerable to rental stress, vulnerable to rental stress, particularly vulnerable to rental stress, particularly low-income vulnerable to rental stress, particularly low-income tenants, vulnerable to rental stress, particularly low-income tenants, or particularly low-income tenants, or tenants particularly low-income tenants, or tenants who particularly low-income tenants, or tenants who experience particularly low-income tenants, or tenants who experience changes particularly low-income tenants, or tenants who experience changes in tenants who experience changes in their tenants who experience changes in their financial tenants who experience changes in their financial circumstances. tenants who experience changes in their financial circumstances. This their financial circumstances. This bill their financial circumstances. This bill will their financial circumstances. This bill will limit their financial circumstances. This bill will limit increases their financial circumstances. This bill will limit increases to their financial circumstances. This bill will limit increases to once bill will limit increases to once every bill will limit increases to once every 12 bill will limit increases to once every 12 months, bill will limit increases to once every 12 months, to bill will limit increases to once every 12 months, to give bill will limit increases to once every 12 months, to give tenants every 12 months, to give tenants more every 12 months, to give tenants more certainty every 12 months, to give tenants more certainty over every 12 months, to give tenants more certainty over their every 12 months, to give tenants more certainty over their costs, every 12 months, to give tenants more certainty over their costs, but more certainty over their costs, but continuing more certainty over their costs, but continuing to more certainty over their costs, but continuing to allow more certainty over their costs, but continuing to allow landlords more certainty over their costs, but continuing to allow landlords to continuing to allow landlords to make continuing to allow landlords to make reasonable continuing to allow landlords to make reasonable adjustments continuing to allow landlords to make reasonable adjustments to continuing to allow landlords to make reasonable adjustments to rent. make reasonable adjustments to rent. This make reasonable adjustments to rent. This reflects make reasonable adjustments to rent. This reflects the make reasonable adjustments to rent. This reflects the balanced make reasonable adjustments to rent. This reflects the balanced approach This reflects the balanced approach we This reflects the balanced approach we have This reflects the balanced approach we have taken This reflects the balanced approach we have taken to This reflects the balanced approach we have taken to improve This reflects the balanced approach we have taken to improve the we have taken to improve the tenants' we have taken to improve the tenants' security we have taken to improve the tenants' security in we have taken to improve the tenants' security in their we have taken to improve the tenants' security in their own we have taken to improve the tenants' security in their own home, tenants' security in their own home, by tenants' security in their own home, by recognising tenants' security in their own home, by recognising that tenants' security in their own home, by recognising that there tenants' security in their own home, by recognising that there are by recognising that there are business by recognising that there are business needs by recognising that there are business needs of by recognising that there are business needs of landlords. by recognising that there are business needs of landlords. Does by recognising that there are business needs of landlords. Does he business needs of landlords. Does he agree business needs of landlords. Does he agree that business needs of landlords. Does he agree that there's business needs of landlords. Does he agree that there's more business needs of landlords. Does he agree that there's more work business needs of landlords. Does he agree that there's more work to business needs of landlords. Does he agree that there's more work to do agree that there's more work to do before agree that there's more work to do before every agree that there's more work to do before every New agree that there's more work to do before every New Zealander agree that there's more work to do before every New Zealander has agree that there's more work to do before every New Zealander has a before every New Zealander has a warm, before every New Zealander has a warm, dry, before every New Zealander has a warm, dry, safe, before every New Zealander has a warm, dry, safe, affordable before every New Zealander has a warm, dry, safe, affordable home before every New Zealander has a warm, dry, safe, affordable home to warm, dry, safe, affordable home to call warm, dry, safe, affordable home to call their warm, dry, safe, affordable home to call their own, warm, dry, safe, affordable home to call their own, whether warm, dry, safe, affordable home to call their own, whether they warm, dry, safe, affordable home to call their own, whether they rent warm, dry, safe, affordable home to call their own, whether they rent or call their own, whether they rent or own? call their own, whether they rent or own? Yes. call their own, whether they rent or own? Yes. We're call their own, whether they rent or own? Yes. We're doing call their own, whether they rent or own? Yes. We're doing this call their own, whether they rent or own? Yes. We're doing this because own? Yes. We're doing this because over own? Yes. We're doing this because over a own? Yes. We're doing this because over a million own? Yes. We're doing this because over a million New own? Yes. We're doing this because over a million New Zealanders own? Yes. We're doing this because over a million New Zealanders are over a million New Zealanders are now over a million New Zealanders are now renting. over a million New Zealanders are now renting. When over a million New Zealanders are now renting. When the over a million New Zealanders are now renting. When the Residential now renting. When the Residential Tenancies now renting. When the Residential Tenancies Act now renting. When the Residential Tenancies Act was now renting. When the Residential Tenancies Act was first now renting. When the Residential Tenancies Act was first introduced, Tenancies Act was first introduced, 26% Tenancies Act was first introduced, 26% of Tenancies Act was first introduced, 26% of New Tenancies Act was first introduced, 26% of New Zealand Tenancies Act was first introduced, 26% of New Zealand children Tenancies Act was first introduced, 26% of New Zealand children were Tenancies Act was first introduced, 26% of New Zealand children were in 26% of New Zealand children were in rental 26% of New Zealand children were in rental accommodation. 26% of New Zealand children were in rental accommodation. Latest 26% of New Zealand children were in rental accommodation. Latest figures rental accommodation. Latest figures have rental accommodation. Latest figures have that rental accommodation. Latest figures have that at rental accommodation. Latest figures have that at 43%. rental accommodation. Latest figures have that at 43%. We rental accommodation. Latest figures have that at 43%. We need rental accommodation. Latest figures have that at 43%. We need to rental accommodation. Latest figures have that at 43%. We need to make have that at 43%. We need to make sure have that at 43%. We need to make sure that have that at 43%. We need to make sure that there have that at 43%. We need to make sure that there are have that at 43%. We need to make sure that there are fundamental sure that there are fundamental changes sure that there are fundamental changes in sure that there are fundamental changes in our sure that there are fundamental changes in our residential sure that there are fundamental changes in our residential tenancies changes in our residential tenancies legislation changes in our residential tenancies legislation to changes in our residential tenancies legislation to make changes in our residential tenancies legislation to make sure changes in our residential tenancies legislation to make sure that legislation to make sure that children legislation to make sure that children grow legislation to make sure that children grow up legislation to make sure that children grow up in legislation to make sure that children grow up in a legislation to make sure that children grow up in a home legislation to make sure that children grow up in a home that legislation to make sure that children grow up in a home that is children grow up in a home that is warm, children grow up in a home that is warm, dry children grow up in a home that is warm, dry and children grow up in a home that is warm, dry and stable. children grow up in a home that is warm, dry and stable. Question children grow up in a home that is warm, dry and stable. Question No. warm, dry and stable. Question No. 5, warm, dry and stable. Question No. 5, the warm, dry and stable. Question No. 5, the Hon warm, dry and stable. Question No. 5, the Hon Judith warm, dry and stable. Question No. 5, the Hon Judith Collins. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing: of Housing: Does of Housing: Does she of Housing: Does she support of Housing: Does she support a of Housing: Does she support a housing of Housing: Does she support a housing market Does she support a housing market where Does she support a housing market where private Does she support a housing market where private citizens Does she support a housing market where private citizens can Does she support a housing market where private citizens can be Does she support a housing market where private citizens can be outbid where private citizens can be outbid by where private citizens can be outbid by the where private citizens can be outbid by the Government where private citizens can be outbid by the Government when by the Government when buying by the Government when buying their by the Government when buying their first by the Government when buying their first home? The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr Megan The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. It's The Hon Dr Megan Woods. It's never The Hon Dr Megan Woods. It's never ideal The Hon Dr Megan Woods. It's never ideal when The Hon Dr Megan Woods. It's never ideal when New The Hon Dr Megan Woods. It's never ideal when New Zealanders The Hon Dr Megan Woods. It's never ideal when New Zealanders miss The Hon Dr Megan Woods. It's never ideal when New Zealanders miss out ideal when New Zealanders miss out on ideal when New Zealanders miss out on opportunities ideal when New Zealanders miss out on opportunities to ideal when New Zealanders miss out on opportunities to get ideal when New Zealanders miss out on opportunities to get into ideal when New Zealanders miss out on opportunities to get into their on opportunities to get into their first on opportunities to get into their first home. on opportunities to get into their first home. And on opportunities to get into their first home. And if on opportunities to get into their first home. And if the on opportunities to get into their first home. And if the member on opportunities to get into their first home. And if the member it first home. And if the member it referring first home. And if the member it referring to first home. And if the member it referring to the first home. And if the member it referring to the development first home. And if the member it referring to the development that's referring to the development that's been referring to the development that's been reported referring to the development that's been reported in referring to the development that's been reported in the referring to the development that's been reported in the media referring to the development that's been reported in the media recently, been reported in the media recently, obviously been reported in the media recently, obviously it's been reported in the media recently, obviously it's an been reported in the media recently, obviously it's an incredibly been reported in the media recently, obviously it's an incredibly hard obviously it's an incredibly hard situation obviously it's an incredibly hard situation for obviously it's an incredibly hard situation for the obviously it's an incredibly hard situation for the buyers, obviously it's an incredibly hard situation for the buyers, and obviously it's an incredibly hard situation for the buyers, and I've situation for the buyers, and I've sought situation for the buyers, and I've sought assurances situation for the buyers, and I've sought assurances from situation for the buyers, and I've sought assurances from officials sought assurances from officials that sought assurances from officials that this sought assurances from officials that this is sought assurances from officials that this is the sought assurances from officials that this is the only sought assurances from officials that this is the only case sought assurances from officials that this is the only case as sought assurances from officials that this is the only case as we that this is the only case as we deliver that this is the only case as we deliver a that this is the only case as we deliver a thousand that this is the only case as we deliver a thousand transitional deliver a thousand transitional housing deliver a thousand transitional housing places. deliver a thousand transitional housing places. But deliver a thousand transitional housing places. But nor deliver a thousand transitional housing places. But nor do deliver a thousand transitional housing places. But nor do I deliver a thousand transitional housing places. But nor do I support housing places. But nor do I support a housing places. But nor do I support a housing housing places. But nor do I support a housing market housing places. But nor do I support a housing market where housing places. But nor do I support a housing market where people housing places. But nor do I support a housing market where people are a housing market where people are homeless, a housing market where people are homeless, where a housing market where people are homeless, where families a housing market where people are homeless, where families are homeless, where families are sleeping homeless, where families are sleeping in homeless, where families are sleeping in cars homeless, where families are sleeping in cars and homeless, where families are sleeping in cars and garages, homeless, where families are sleeping in cars and garages, where sleeping in cars and garages, where people sleeping in cars and garages, where people are sleeping in cars and garages, where people are dumped sleeping in cars and garages, where people are dumped in sleeping in cars and garages, where people are dumped in motels, sleeping in cars and garages, where people are dumped in motels, where people are dumped in motels, where we people are dumped in motels, where we have people are dumped in motels, where we have a people are dumped in motels, where we have a chronic people are dumped in motels, where we have a chronic shortage people are dumped in motels, where we have a chronic shortage of we have a chronic shortage of houses, we have a chronic shortage of houses, and we have a chronic shortage of houses, and we we have a chronic shortage of houses, and we desperately we have a chronic shortage of houses, and we desperately needed houses, and we desperately needed state houses, and we desperately needed state houses houses, and we desperately needed state houses are houses, and we desperately needed state houses are sold houses, and we desperately needed state houses are sold off. houses, and we desperately needed state houses are sold off. That's state houses are sold off. That's the state houses are sold off. That's the legacy state houses are sold off. That's the legacy we state houses are sold off. That's the legacy we inherited state houses are sold off. That's the legacy we inherited from state houses are sold off. That's the legacy we inherited from the the legacy we inherited from the previous the legacy we inherited from the previous Government the legacy we inherited from the previous Government and the legacy we inherited from the previous Government and we the legacy we inherited from the previous Government and we are previous Government and we are putting previous Government and we are putting it previous Government and we are putting it right. putting it right. Then putting it right. Then why putting it right. Then why are putting it right. Then why are more putting it right. Then why are more people putting it right. Then why are more people living putting it right. Then why are more people living in Then why are more people living in motels, Then why are more people living in motels, living Then why are more people living in motels, living in Then why are more people living in motels, living in cars, Then why are more people living in motels, living in cars, and Then why are more people living in motels, living in cars, and going motels, living in cars, and going homeless motels, living in cars, and going homeless under motels, living in cars, and going homeless under her motels, living in cars, and going homeless under her watch? motels, living in cars, and going homeless under her watch? I'm motels, living in cars, and going homeless under her watch? I'm very homeless under her watch? I'm very glad homeless under her watch? I'm very glad the homeless under her watch? I'm very glad the member homeless under her watch? I'm very glad the member asked. homeless under her watch? I'm very glad the member asked. What homeless under her watch? I'm very glad the member asked. What we homeless under her watch? I'm very glad the member asked. What we can glad the member asked. What we can see, glad the member asked. What we can see, if glad the member asked. What we can see, if we glad the member asked. What we can see, if we do glad the member asked. What we can see, if we do the glad the member asked. What we can see, if we do the calculations, glad the member asked. What we can see, if we do the calculations, that see, if we do the calculations, that the see, if we do the calculations, that the fact see, if we do the calculations, that the fact that see, if we do the calculations, that the fact that we see, if we do the calculations, that the fact that we ended see, if we do the calculations, that the fact that we ended up see, if we do the calculations, that the fact that we ended up - see, if we do the calculations, that the fact that we ended up - the the fact that we ended up - the previous the fact that we ended up - the previous Government's the fact that we ended up - the previous Government's term the fact that we ended up - the previous Government's term of previous Government's term of Government previous Government's term of Government with previous Government's term of Government with 1,500 previous Government's term of Government with 1,500 fewer previous Government's term of Government with 1,500 fewer public Government with 1,500 fewer public housing Government with 1,500 fewer public housing spots. Government with 1,500 fewer public housing spots. They Government with 1,500 fewer public housing spots. They failed Government with 1,500 fewer public housing spots. They failed to housing spots. They failed to build... housing spots. They failed to build... If housing spots. They failed to build... If they housing spots. They failed to build... If they had housing spots. They failed to build... If they had built housing spots. They failed to build... If they had built at housing spots. They failed to build... If they had built at our build... If they had built at our rate, build... If they had built at our rate, that build... If they had built at our rate, that we build... If they had built at our rate, that we are build... If they had built at our rate, that we are overdelivering build... If they had built at our rate, that we are overdelivering of, rate, that we are overdelivering of, of rate, that we are overdelivering of, of 1,600 rate, that we are overdelivering of, of 1,600 house rate, that we are overdelivering of, of 1,600 house as rate, that we are overdelivering of, of 1,600 house as year, rate, that we are overdelivering of, of 1,600 house as year, that rate, that we are overdelivering of, of 1,600 house as year, that would of 1,600 house as year, that would mean of 1,600 house as year, that would mean 15,000 of 1,600 house as year, that would mean 15,000 more of 1,600 house as year, that would mean 15,000 more public of 1,600 house as year, that would mean 15,000 more public housing mean 15,000 more public housing spaces. mean 15,000 more public housing spaces. We mean 15,000 more public housing spaces. We would mean 15,000 more public housing spaces. We would have mean 15,000 more public housing spaces. We would have no mean 15,000 more public housing spaces. We would have no public spaces. We would have no public housing spaces. We would have no public housing wait spaces. We would have no public housing wait list. spaces. We would have no public housing wait list. We spaces. We would have no public housing wait list. We would spaces. We would have no public housing wait list. We would not spaces. We would have no public housing wait list. We would not have housing wait list. We would not have people housing wait list. We would not have people in housing wait list. We would not have people in motels, housing wait list. We would not have people in motels, and housing wait list. We would not have people in motels, and we housing wait list. We would not have people in motels, and we would housing wait list. We would not have people in motels, and we would not people in motels, and we would not have people in motels, and we would not have homeless. people in motels, and we would not have homeless. That people in motels, and we would not have homeless. That member people in motels, and we would not have homeless. That member should have homeless. That member should feel have homeless. That member should feel some have homeless. That member should feel some shame have homeless. That member should feel some shame about have homeless. That member should feel some shame about that. feel some shame about that. The feel some shame about that. The Hon feel some shame about that. The Hon Judith feel some shame about that. The Hon Judith Collins. feel some shame about that. The Hon Judith Collins. If feel some shame about that. The Hon Judith Collins. If the The Hon Judith Collins. If the Government The Hon Judith Collins. If the Government is The Hon Judith Collins. If the Government is in The Hon Judith Collins. If the Government is in the The Hon Judith Collins. If the Government is in the market The Hon Judith Collins. If the Government is in the market to The Hon Judith Collins. If the Government is in the market to buy Government is in the market to buy houses, Government is in the market to buy houses, then Government is in the market to buy houses, then why Government is in the market to buy houses, then why don't Government is in the market to buy houses, then why don't they Government is in the market to buy houses, then why don't they buy Government is in the market to buy houses, then why don't they buy the houses, then why don't they buy the 323 houses, then why don't they buy the 323 unsold houses, then why don't they buy the 323 unsold KiwiBuild houses, then why don't they buy the 323 unsold KiwiBuild house houses, then why don't they buy the 323 unsold KiwiBuild house that houses, then why don't they buy the 323 unsold KiwiBuild house that is 323 unsold KiwiBuild house that is are 323 unsold KiwiBuild house that is are languishing 323 unsold KiwiBuild house that is are languishing -- 323 unsold KiwiBuild house that is are languishing -- houses 323 unsold KiwiBuild house that is are languishing -- houses that 323 unsold KiwiBuild house that is are languishing -- houses that are are languishing -- houses that are languishing are languishing -- houses that are languishing there? are languishing -- houses that are languishing there? Because are languishing -- houses that are languishing there? Because many are languishing -- houses that are languishing there? Because many of languishing there? Because many of those languishing there? Because many of those are languishing there? Because many of those are all languishing there? Because many of those are all available languishing there? Because many of those are all available for languishing there? Because many of those are all available for first those are all available for first home those are all available for first home buyers those are all available for first home buyers to those are all available for first home buyers to buy. those are all available for first home buyers to buy. And those are all available for first home buyers to buy. And if those are all available for first home buyers to buy. And if the home buyers to buy. And if the member home buyers to buy. And if the member cares home buyers to buy. And if the member cares to home buyers to buy. And if the member cares to look, home buyers to buy. And if the member cares to look, what home buyers to buy. And if the member cares to look, what she home buyers to buy. And if the member cares to look, what she can member cares to look, what she can see member cares to look, what she can see actually member cares to look, what she can see actually is member cares to look, what she can see actually is that member cares to look, what she can see actually is that we member cares to look, what she can see actually is that we have member cares to look, what she can see actually is that we have had member cares to look, what she can see actually is that we have had a see actually is that we have had a huge see actually is that we have had a huge - see actually is that we have had a huge - we see actually is that we have had a huge - we have see actually is that we have had a huge - we have had see actually is that we have had a huge - we have had uplift see actually is that we have had a huge - we have had uplift in see actually is that we have had a huge - we have had uplift in first huge - we have had uplift in first home huge - we have had uplift in first home sales. huge - we have had uplift in first home sales. But huge - we have had uplift in first home sales. But I huge - we have had uplift in first home sales. But I would huge - we have had uplift in first home sales. But I would also huge - we have had uplift in first home sales. But I would also point home sales. But I would also point to home sales. But I would also point to the home sales. But I would also point to the member home sales. But I would also point to the member that home sales. But I would also point to the member that buying home sales. But I would also point to the member that buying homes home sales. But I would also point to the member that buying homes for to the member that buying homes for public to the member that buying homes for public housing to the member that buying homes for public housing is to the member that buying homes for public housing is nothing to the member that buying homes for public housing is nothing new. to the member that buying homes for public housing is nothing new. If to the member that buying homes for public housing is nothing new. If I public housing is nothing new. If I look public housing is nothing new. If I look at public housing is nothing new. If I look at the public housing is nothing new. If I look at the 2012/13 public housing is nothing new. If I look at the 2012/13 financial public housing is nothing new. If I look at the 2012/13 financial year, look at the 2012/13 financial year, 261 look at the 2012/13 financial year, 261 public look at the 2012/13 financial year, 261 public housing look at the 2012/13 financial year, 261 public housing spots look at the 2012/13 financial year, 261 public housing spots were 261 public housing spots were delivered 261 public housing spots were delivered by 261 public housing spots were delivered by the 261 public housing spots were delivered by the then 261 public housing spots were delivered by the then Government. delivered by the then Government. 164 delivered by the then Government. 164 were delivered by the then Government. 164 were buyers, delivered by the then Government. 164 were buyers, or delivered by the then Government. 164 were buyers, or 62%. delivered by the then Government. 164 were buyers, or 62%. If delivered by the then Government. 164 were buyers, or 62%. If I delivered by the then Government. 164 were buyers, or 62%. If I look 164 were buyers, or 62%. If I look at 164 were buyers, or 62%. If I look at the 164 were buyers, or 62%. If I look at the 2018/2019 164 were buyers, or 62%. If I look at the 2018/2019 financial 164 were buyers, or 62%. If I look at the 2018/2019 financial year, at the 2018/2019 financial year, 1,805 at the 2018/2019 financial year, 1,805 public at the 2018/2019 financial year, 1,805 public housing at the 2018/2019 financial year, 1,805 public housing spots at the 2018/2019 financial year, 1,805 public housing spots were 1,805 public housing spots were delivered 1,805 public housing spots were delivered by 1,805 public housing spots were delivered by our 1,805 public housing spots were delivered by our Government, 1,805 public housing spots were delivered by our Government, and delivered by our Government, and only delivered by our Government, and only 22% delivered by our Government, and only 22% of delivered by our Government, and only 22% of them delivered by our Government, and only 22% of them were delivered by our Government, and only 22% of them were buyers. delivered by our Government, and only 22% of them were buyers. The delivered by our Government, and only 22% of them were buyers. The Rt only 22% of them were buyers. The Rt Hon only 22% of them were buyers. The Rt Hon Winston only 22% of them were buyers. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. only 22% of them were buyers. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Minister, only 22% of them were buyers. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Minister, going Hon Winston Peters. Minister, going from Hon Winston Peters. Minister, going from the Hon Winston Peters. Minister, going from the original Hon Winston Peters. Minister, going from the original question, Hon Winston Peters. Minister, going from the original question, does Hon Winston Peters. Minister, going from the original question, does she from the original question, does she support from the original question, does she support a from the original question, does she support a housing from the original question, does she support a housing market from the original question, does she support a housing market where from the original question, does she support a housing market where Kiwi support a housing market where Kiwi buyers support a housing market where Kiwi buyers can support a housing market where Kiwi buyers can be support a housing market where Kiwi buyers can be outbid support a housing market where Kiwi buyers can be outbid by support a housing market where Kiwi buyers can be outbid by foreigners buyers can be outbid by foreigners when buyers can be outbid by foreigners when buying buyers can be outbid by foreigners when buying their buyers can be outbid by foreigners when buying their first buyers can be outbid by foreigners when buying their first home? buyers can be outbid by foreigners when buying their first home? In when buying their first home? In answer when buying their first home? In answer to when buying their first home? In answer to the when buying their first home? In answer to the member, when buying their first home? In answer to the member, no. when buying their first home? In answer to the member, no. That's when buying their first home? In answer to the member, no. That's why answer to the member, no. That's why we answer to the member, no. That's why we made answer to the member, no. That's why we made the answer to the member, no. That's why we made the changes answer to the member, no. That's why we made the changes to answer to the member, no. That's why we made the changes to ensure answer to the member, no. That's why we made the changes to ensure that we made the changes to ensure that New we made the changes to ensure that New Zealanders we made the changes to ensure that New Zealanders could we made the changes to ensure that New Zealanders could achieve we made the changes to ensure that New Zealanders could achieve first New Zealanders could achieve first homeownership. New Zealanders could achieve first homeownership. Is New Zealanders could achieve first homeownership. Is the New Zealanders could achieve first homeownership. Is the Government homeownership. Is the Government competing homeownership. Is the Government competing in homeownership. Is the Government competing in the homeownership. Is the Government competing in the first homeownership. Is the Government competing in the first home homeownership. Is the Government competing in the first home buyer competing in the first home buyer market competing in the first home buyer market in competing in the first home buyer market in a competing in the first home buyer market in a bid competing in the first home buyer market in a bid to competing in the first home buyer market in a bid to increase competing in the first home buyer market in a bid to increase the market in a bid to increase the number market in a bid to increase the number of market in a bid to increase the number of houses market in a bid to increase the number of houses that market in a bid to increase the number of houses that it's market in a bid to increase the number of houses that it's now number of houses that it's now claiming number of houses that it's now claiming to number of houses that it's now claiming to have number of houses that it's now claiming to have built? number of houses that it's now claiming to have built? Absolutely claiming to have built? Absolutely not. claiming to have built? Absolutely not. I'll claiming to have built? Absolutely not. I'll refer claiming to have built? Absolutely not. I'll refer the claiming to have built? Absolutely not. I'll refer the member claiming to have built? Absolutely not. I'll refer the member to claiming to have built? Absolutely not. I'll refer the member to the not. I'll refer the member to the previous not. I'll refer the member to the previous question not. I'll refer the member to the previous question that not. I'll refer the member to the previous question that she not. I'll refer the member to the previous question that she asked, previous question that she asked, and previous question that she asked, and the previous question that she asked, and the answer previous question that she asked, and the answer that previous question that she asked, and the answer that I previous question that she asked, and the answer that I gave previous question that she asked, and the answer that I gave back previous question that she asked, and the answer that I gave back to and the answer that I gave back to that. and the answer that I gave back to that. That and the answer that I gave back to that. That we and the answer that I gave back to that. That we are and the answer that I gave back to that. That we are building and the answer that I gave back to that. That we are building far and the answer that I gave back to that. That we are building far more that. That we are building far more houses, that. That we are building far more houses, and that. That we are building far more houses, and a that. That we are building far more houses, and a lower that. That we are building far more houses, and a lower proportion that. That we are building far more houses, and a lower proportion of houses, and a lower proportion of them houses, and a lower proportion of them are houses, and a lower proportion of them are buyers. houses, and a lower proportion of them are buyers. The houses, and a lower proportion of them are buyers. The member houses, and a lower proportion of them are buyers. The member cannot them are buyers. The member cannot overstate them are buyers. The member cannot overstate the them are buyers. The member cannot overstate the fact them are buyers. The member cannot overstate the fact that them are buyers. The member cannot overstate the fact that we them are buyers. The member cannot overstate the fact that we are overstate the fact that we are building overstate the fact that we are building more overstate the fact that we are building more public overstate the fact that we are building more public houses overstate the fact that we are building more public houses than building more public houses than many building more public houses than many Governments building more public houses than many Governments in building more public houses than many Governments in generations. building more public houses than many Governments in generations. It many Governments in generations. It is many Governments in generations. It is something many Governments in generations. It is something we many Governments in generations. It is something we are many Governments in generations. It is something we are rightly many Governments in generations. It is something we are rightly proud is something we are rightly proud of. is something we are rightly proud of. We is something we are rightly proud of. We are is something we are rightly proud of. We are building is something we are rightly proud of. We are building houses is something we are rightly proud of. We are building houses to is something we are rightly proud of. We are building houses to make of. We are building houses to make up of. We are building houses to make up for of. We are building houses to make up for a of. We are building houses to make up for a previous of. We are building houses to make up for a previous Government of. We are building houses to make up for a previous Government that up for a previous Government that sold up for a previous Government that sold them up for a previous Government that sold them off. sold them off. So, sold them off. So, does sold them off. So, does she sold them off. So, does she agree sold them off. So, does she agree with sold them off. So, does she agree with her sold them off. So, does she agree with her chief So, does she agree with her chief executive, So, does she agree with her chief executive, Crisp So, does she agree with her chief executive, Crisp -- So, does she agree with her chief executive, Crisp -- Andrew So, does she agree with her chief executive, Crisp -- Andrew Crisp, executive, Crisp -- Andrew Crisp, who executive, Crisp -- Andrew Crisp, who told executive, Crisp -- Andrew Crisp, who told the executive, Crisp -- Andrew Crisp, who told the Social executive, Crisp -- Andrew Crisp, who told the Social Services who told the Social Services Committee who told the Social Services Committee on who told the Social Services Committee on 20 who told the Social Services Committee on 20 November who told the Social Services Committee on 20 November last who told the Social Services Committee on 20 November last year Committee on 20 November last year that, Committee on 20 November last year that, "so, Committee on 20 November last year that, "so, the Committee on 20 November last year that, "so, the community Committee on 20 November last year that, "so, the community Housing that, "so, the community Housing Sector that, "so, the community Housing Sector are, that, "so, the community Housing Sector are, as that, "so, the community Housing Sector are, as I that, "so, the community Housing Sector are, as I said, that, "so, the community Housing Sector are, as I said, being that, "so, the community Housing Sector are, as I said, being very Sector are, as I said, being very careful Sector are, as I said, being very careful not Sector are, as I said, being very careful not to Sector are, as I said, being very careful not to displace Sector are, as I said, being very careful not to displace people Sector are, as I said, being very careful not to displace people from careful not to displace people from the careful not to displace people from the market. careful not to displace people from the market. That's careful not to displace people from the market. That's the careful not to displace people from the market. That's the intention." the market. That's the intention." And the market. That's the intention." And if the market. That's the intention." And if she the market. That's the intention." And if she does, the market. That's the intention." And if she does, then the market. That's the intention." And if she does, then why the market. That's the intention." And if she does, then why is the market. That's the intention." And if she does, then why is he And if she does, then why is he doing And if she does, then why is he doing it? And if she does, then why is he doing it? Yes, And if she does, then why is he doing it? Yes, I And if she does, then why is he doing it? Yes, I do And if she does, then why is he doing it? Yes, I do agree And if she does, then why is he doing it? Yes, I do agree with And if she does, then why is he doing it? Yes, I do agree with him. doing it? Yes, I do agree with him. And doing it? Yes, I do agree with him. And what doing it? Yes, I do agree with him. And what we doing it? Yes, I do agree with him. And what we can doing it? Yes, I do agree with him. And what we can see, doing it? Yes, I do agree with him. And what we can see, actually, doing it? Yes, I do agree with him. And what we can see, actually, is And what we can see, actually, is the And what we can see, actually, is the record And what we can see, actually, is the record of And what we can see, actually, is the record of Kianga And what we can see, actually, is the record of Kianga Ora, And what we can see, actually, is the record of Kianga Ora, 22% And what we can see, actually, is the record of Kianga Ora, 22% in And what we can see, actually, is the record of Kianga Ora, 22% in the the record of Kianga Ora, 22% in the 2018/2019 the record of Kianga Ora, 22% in the 2018/2019 year the record of Kianga Ora, 22% in the 2018/2019 year when the record of Kianga Ora, 22% in the 2018/2019 year when down the record of Kianga Ora, 22% in the 2018/2019 year when down on the record of Kianga Ora, 22% in the 2018/2019 year when down on the the record of Kianga Ora, 22% in the 2018/2019 year when down on the per 2018/2019 year when down on the per cent 2018/2019 year when down on the per cent the 2018/2019 year when down on the per cent the previous 2018/2019 year when down on the per cent the previous Government cent the previous Government achieved. cent the previous Government achieved. And cent the previous Government achieved. And to cent the previous Government achieved. And to date cent the previous Government achieved. And to date share cent the previous Government achieved. And to date share at cent the previous Government achieved. And to date share at 15%. achieved. And to date share at 15%. For achieved. And to date share at 15%. For the achieved. And to date share at 15%. For the record, achieved. And to date share at 15%. For the record, I achieved. And to date share at 15%. For the record, I don't achieved. And to date share at 15%. For the record, I don't greet achieved. And to date share at 15%. For the record, I don't greet with For the record, I don't greet with that For the record, I don't greet with that member's For the record, I don't greet with that member's leader, For the record, I don't greet with that member's leader, who For the record, I don't greet with that member's leader, who described that member's leader, who described our that member's leader, who described our homelessness that member's leader, who described our homelessness package that member's leader, who described our homelessness package as that member's leader, who described our homelessness package as a our homelessness package as a knee-jerk our homelessness package as a knee-jerk way our homelessness package as a knee-jerk way without our homelessness package as a knee-jerk way without a our homelessness package as a knee-jerk way without a plan our homelessness package as a knee-jerk way without a plan that knee-jerk way without a plan that was knee-jerk way without a plan that was wasteful knee-jerk way without a plan that was wasteful expenditure knee-jerk way without a plan that was wasteful expenditure either. was wasteful expenditure either. Question was wasteful expenditure either. Question No. was wasteful expenditure either. Question No. 6, was wasteful expenditure either. Question No. 6, Jamie was wasteful expenditure either. Question No. 6, Jamie Strange. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: of Transport: What of Transport: What recent of Transport: What recent announcements of Transport: What recent announcements has of Transport: What recent announcements has he What recent announcements has he made What recent announcements has he made about What recent announcements has he made about State What recent announcements has he made about State highway What recent announcements has he made about State highway projects? The The Hon The Hon Phil The Hon Phil Twyford. The Hon Phil Twyford. As The Hon Phil Twyford. As part The Hon Phil Twyford. As part of The Hon Phil Twyford. As part of the The Hon Phil Twyford. As part of the New The Hon Phil Twyford. As part of the New Zealand The Hon Phil Twyford. As part of the New Zealand upgrade The Hon Phil Twyford. As part of the New Zealand upgrade programme, The Hon Phil Twyford. As part of the New Zealand upgrade programme, we New Zealand upgrade programme, we have New Zealand upgrade programme, we have announced New Zealand upgrade programme, we have announced a New Zealand upgrade programme, we have announced a fully New Zealand upgrade programme, we have announced a fully funded have announced a fully funded programme have announced a fully funded programme of have announced a fully funded programme of state have announced a fully funded programme of state highway have announced a fully funded programme of state highway projects. programme of state highway projects. More programme of state highway projects. More than programme of state highway projects. More than $5 programme of state highway projects. More than $5 billion programme of state highway projects. More than $5 billion worth, programme of state highway projects. More than $5 billion worth, to programme of state highway projects. More than $5 billion worth, to help More than $5 billion worth, to help future-proof More than $5 billion worth, to help future-proof the More than $5 billion worth, to help future-proof the economy, More than $5 billion worth, to help future-proof the economy, get More than $5 billion worth, to help future-proof the economy, get our future-proof the economy, get our cities future-proof the economy, get our cities moving future-proof the economy, get our cities moving and future-proof the economy, get our cities moving and make future-proof the economy, get our cities moving and make our future-proof the economy, get our cities moving and make our roads cities moving and make our roads safer. cities moving and make our roads safer. These cities moving and make our roads safer. These include cities moving and make our roads safer. These include the cities moving and make our roads safer. These include the four-laning safer. These include the four-laning of safer. These include the four-laning of the safer. These include the four-laning of the Tauranga safer. These include the four-laning of the Tauranga Northern safer. These include the four-laning of the Tauranga Northern Link, safer. These include the four-laning of the Tauranga Northern Link, and of the Tauranga Northern Link, and Tapuna of the Tauranga Northern Link, and Tapuna on of the Tauranga Northern Link, and Tapuna on State of the Tauranga Northern Link, and Tapuna on State Highway of the Tauranga Northern Link, and Tapuna on State Highway 2, of the Tauranga Northern Link, and Tapuna on State Highway 2, which Tapuna on State Highway 2, which will Tapuna on State Highway 2, which will improve Tapuna on State Highway 2, which will improve safety Tapuna on State Highway 2, which will improve safety on Tapuna on State Highway 2, which will improve safety on a Tapuna on State Highway 2, which will improve safety on a dangerous will improve safety on a dangerous stretch will improve safety on a dangerous stretch of will improve safety on a dangerous stretch of highway will improve safety on a dangerous stretch of highway where, will improve safety on a dangerous stretch of highway where, under will improve safety on a dangerous stretch of highway where, under the stretch of highway where, under the former stretch of highway where, under the former Government, stretch of highway where, under the former Government, suburban former Government, suburban development former Government, suburban development was former Government, suburban development was allowed former Government, suburban development was allowed to former Government, suburban development was allowed to take development was allowed to take place development was allowed to take place without development was allowed to take place without the development was allowed to take place without the necessary development was allowed to take place without the necessary roading place without the necessary roading upgrades. place without the necessary roading upgrades. It place without the necessary roading upgrades. It also place without the necessary roading upgrades. It also includes place without the necessary roading upgrades. It also includes the upgrades. It also includes the Melling upgrades. It also includes the Melling interchange, upgrades. It also includes the Melling interchange, which upgrades. It also includes the Melling interchange, which will Melling interchange, which will reduce Melling interchange, which will reduce the Melling interchange, which will reduce the risk Melling interchange, which will reduce the risk of Melling interchange, which will reduce the risk of flooding Melling interchange, which will reduce the risk of flooding and Melling interchange, which will reduce the risk of flooding and help reduce the risk of flooding and help ease reduce the risk of flooding and help ease congestion reduce the risk of flooding and help ease congestion at reduce the risk of flooding and help ease congestion at peak reduce the risk of flooding and help ease congestion at peak times. reduce the risk of flooding and help ease congestion at peak times. And ease congestion at peak times. And upgrading ease congestion at peak times. And upgrading State ease congestion at peak times. And upgrading State Highway ease congestion at peak times. And upgrading State Highway 1 ease congestion at peak times. And upgrading State Highway 1 from upgrading State Highway 1 from Whangarei upgrading State Highway 1 from Whangarei to upgrading State Highway 1 from Whangarei to Port upgrading State Highway 1 from Whangarei to Port Marsden upgrading State Highway 1 from Whangarei to Port Marsden to upgrading State Highway 1 from Whangarei to Port Marsden to four Whangarei to Port Marsden to four lanes, Whangarei to Port Marsden to four lanes, which Whangarei to Port Marsden to four lanes, which will Whangarei to Port Marsden to four lanes, which will improve Whangarei to Port Marsden to four lanes, which will improve safety Whangarei to Port Marsden to four lanes, which will improve safety and lanes, which will improve safety and freight lanes, which will improve safety and freight connectivity lanes, which will improve safety and freight connectivity in lanes, which will improve safety and freight connectivity in the lanes, which will improve safety and freight connectivity in the north. freight connectivity in the north. What freight connectivity in the north. What state freight connectivity in the north. What state highway freight connectivity in the north. What state highway projects freight connectivity in the north. What state highway projects are What state highway projects are there What state highway projects are there in What state highway projects are there in Auckland What state highway projects are there in Auckland as What state highway projects are there in Auckland as part What state highway projects are there in Auckland as part of What state highway projects are there in Auckland as part of the What state highway projects are there in Auckland as part of the New there in Auckland as part of the New Zealand there in Auckland as part of the New Zealand upgrade there in Auckland as part of the New Zealand upgrade programme? there in Auckland as part of the New Zealand upgrade programme? Well, there in Auckland as part of the New Zealand upgrade programme? Well, I'm Zealand upgrade programme? Well, I'm glad Zealand upgrade programme? Well, I'm glad the Zealand upgrade programme? Well, I'm glad the member Zealand upgrade programme? Well, I'm glad the member asked Zealand upgrade programme? Well, I'm glad the member asked that. Zealand upgrade programme? Well, I'm glad the member asked that. Not Zealand upgrade programme? Well, I'm glad the member asked that. Not only glad the member asked that. Not only are glad the member asked that. Not only are we glad the member asked that. Not only are we widening glad the member asked that. Not only are we widening State glad the member asked that. Not only are we widening State Highway glad the member asked that. Not only are we widening State Highway 1 glad the member asked that. Not only are we widening State Highway 1 from are we widening State Highway 1 from Papakura are we widening State Highway 1 from Papakura to are we widening State Highway 1 from Papakura to Drury are we widening State Highway 1 from Papakura to Drury to are we widening State Highway 1 from Papakura to Drury to help are we widening State Highway 1 from Papakura to Drury to help make Papakura to Drury to help make commutes Papakura to Drury to help make commutes quicker, Papakura to Drury to help make commutes quicker, we're Papakura to Drury to help make commutes quicker, we're also Papakura to Drury to help make commutes quicker, we're also making commutes quicker, we're also making Pen commutes quicker, we're also making Pen Link commutes quicker, we're also making Pen Link and commutes quicker, we're also making Pen Link and Mill commutes quicker, we're also making Pen Link and Mill Road commutes quicker, we're also making Pen Link and Mill Road State Pen Link and Mill Road State highways Pen Link and Mill Road State highways so Pen Link and Mill Road State highways so we Pen Link and Mill Road State highways so we can Pen Link and Mill Road State highways so we can speed Pen Link and Mill Road State highways so we can speed up Pen Link and Mill Road State highways so we can speed up their highways so we can speed up their implementation. highways so we can speed up their implementation. And highways so we can speed up their implementation. And upgrading highways so we can speed up their implementation. And upgrading Mill implementation. And upgrading Mill Road implementation. And upgrading Mill Road to implementation. And upgrading Mill Road to four implementation. And upgrading Mill Road to four lanes implementation. And upgrading Mill Road to four lanes will implementation. And upgrading Mill Road to four lanes will not implementation. And upgrading Mill Road to four lanes will not only Road to four lanes will not only ease Road to four lanes will not only ease traffic Road to four lanes will not only ease traffic on Road to four lanes will not only ease traffic on State Road to four lanes will not only ease traffic on State Highway Road to four lanes will not only ease traffic on State Highway 1, Road to four lanes will not only ease traffic on State Highway 1, but ease traffic on State Highway 1, but it ease traffic on State Highway 1, but it will ease traffic on State Highway 1, but it will connect ease traffic on State Highway 1, but it will connect fast-growing ease traffic on State Highway 1, but it will connect fast-growing and it will connect fast-growing and job-rich it will connect fast-growing and job-rich parts it will connect fast-growing and job-rich parts of it will connect fast-growing and job-rich parts of Auckland. it will connect fast-growing and job-rich parts of Auckland. Penn job-rich parts of Auckland. Penn Link, job-rich parts of Auckland. Penn Link, of job-rich parts of Auckland. Penn Link, of course, job-rich parts of Auckland. Penn Link, of course, will job-rich parts of Auckland. Penn Link, of course, will open job-rich parts of Auckland. Penn Link, of course, will open up job-rich parts of Auckland. Penn Link, of course, will open up growth Link, of course, will open up growth north Link, of course, will open up growth north of Link, of course, will open up growth north of Auckland Link, of course, will open up growth north of Auckland and Link, of course, will open up growth north of Auckland and connected north of Auckland and connected Whangaparoura north of Auckland and connected Whangaparoura residents north of Auckland and connected Whangaparoura residents to north of Auckland and connected Whangaparoura residents to the north of Auckland and connected Whangaparoura residents to the very Whangaparoura residents to the very successful Whangaparoura residents to the very successful Northern Whangaparoura residents to the very successful Northern Busway. Whangaparoura residents to the very successful Northern Busway. Will successful Northern Busway. Will these successful Northern Busway. Will these projects successful Northern Busway. Will these projects simply successful Northern Busway. Will these projects simply be successful Northern Busway. Will these projects simply be extra successful Northern Busway. Will these projects simply be extra lanes these projects simply be extra lanes of these projects simply be extra lanes of motorway? these projects simply be extra lanes of motorway? No. these projects simply be extra lanes of motorway? No. Our these projects simply be extra lanes of motorway? No. Our Government of motorway? No. Our Government knows of motorway? No. Our Government knows we of motorway? No. Our Government knows we must of motorway? No. Our Government knows we must look of motorway? No. Our Government knows we must look to of motorway? No. Our Government knows we must look to the of motorway? No. Our Government knows we must look to the future of motorway? No. Our Government knows we must look to the future as knows we must look to the future as we knows we must look to the future as we design knows we must look to the future as we design this knows we must look to the future as we design this very knows we must look to the future as we design this very important we design this very important infrastructure. we design this very important infrastructure. These we design this very important infrastructure. These projects we design this very important infrastructure. These projects have infrastructure. These projects have been infrastructure. These projects have been future-proofed infrastructure. These projects have been future-proofed to infrastructure. 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Question No. 7, the Hon Michael Question No. 7, the Hon Michael Woodhouse. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: of Health: Does of Health: Does he of Health: Does he stand of Health: Does he stand by of Health: Does he stand by his of Health: Does he stand by his statement of Health: Does he stand by his statement in Does he stand by his statement in respect Does he stand by his statement in respect of Does he stand by his statement in respect of the Does he stand by his statement in respect of the COVID-19 Does he stand by his statement in respect of the COVID-19 outbreak, respect of the COVID-19 outbreak, "At respect of the COVID-19 outbreak, "At every respect of the COVID-19 outbreak, "At every point, respect of the COVID-19 outbreak, "At every point, we respect of the COVID-19 outbreak, "At every point, we have respect of the COVID-19 outbreak, "At every point, we have made respect of the COVID-19 outbreak, "At every point, we have made sure "At every point, we have made sure that "At every point, we have made sure that our "At every point, we have made sure that our decisions "At every point, we have made sure that our decisions have "At every point, we have made sure that our decisions have been that our decisions have been informed that our decisions have been informed by that our decisions have been informed by science"? The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr David The Hon Dr David Clark. The Hon Dr David Clark. Yes. The Hon Dr David Clark. Yes. The The Hon Dr David Clark. Yes. The New The Hon Dr David Clark. Yes. The New Zealand The Hon Dr David Clark. Yes. The New Zealand Government The Hon Dr David Clark. Yes. The New Zealand Government has The Hon Dr David Clark. Yes. The New Zealand Government has taken The Hon Dr David Clark. Yes. The New Zealand Government has taken a Zealand Government has taken a precautionary Zealand Government has taken a precautionary approach Zealand Government has taken a precautionary approach based Zealand Government has taken a precautionary approach based on precautionary approach based on expert precautionary approach based on expert scientific precautionary approach based on expert scientific and precautionary approach based on expert scientific and medical expert scientific and medical advice. expert scientific and medical advice. 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What support has the make our decisions accordingly. What support has the Government make our decisions accordingly. What support has the Government provided support has the Government provided to support has the Government provided to individuals support has the Government provided to individuals wanting support has the Government provided to individuals wanting to to individuals wanting to self-isolate, to individuals wanting to self-isolate, but to individuals wanting to self-isolate, but have to individuals wanting to self-isolate, but have difficulty self-isolate, but have difficulty doing self-isolate, but have difficulty doing so self-isolate, but have difficulty doing so due self-isolate, but have difficulty doing so due to self-isolate, but have difficulty doing so due to their self-isolate, but have difficulty doing so due to their being self-isolate, but have difficulty doing so due to their being in doing so due to their being in dwellings doing so due to their being in dwellings with doing so due to their being in dwellings with several doing so due to their being in dwellings with several other dwellings with several other individuals? dwellings with several other individuals? 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And is it possible that these people could contacted Healthline? And is it possible that these people could not possible that these people could not be possible that these people could not be following possible that these people could not be following self-isolation possible that these people could not be following self-isolation advice? be following self-isolation advice? Self-isolation be following self-isolation advice? Self-isolation is be following self-isolation advice? Self-isolation is a be following self-isolation advice? Self-isolation is a very be following self-isolation advice? 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My expectation is that anybody with any challenges that anybody with any challenges should that anybody with any challenges should be that anybody with any challenges should be ringing that anybody with any challenges should be ringing Healthline that anybody with any challenges should be ringing Healthline and should be ringing Healthline and seeking should be ringing Healthline and seeking help should be ringing Healthline and seeking help in should be ringing Healthline and seeking help in their should be ringing Healthline and seeking help in their situation. seeking help in their situation. Question seeking help in their situation. Question No. seeking help in their situation. Question No. 8, seeking help in their situation. Question No. 8, Chris seeking help in their situation. Question No. 8, Chris Bishop. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: of Transport: Does of Transport: Does he of Transport: Does he stand of Transport: Does he stand by of Transport: Does he stand by his of Transport: Does he stand by his reported Does he stand by his reported comment comment in comment in relation in relation to in relation to Auckland in relation to Auckland light in relation to Auckland light rail, to Auckland light rail, "The to Auckland light rail, "The light to Auckland light rail, "The light rail to Auckland light rail, "The light rail connection to Auckland light rail, "The light rail connection I to Auckland light rail, "The light rail connection I think "The light rail connection I think will "The light rail connection I think will probably "The light rail connection I think will probably be "The light rail connection I think will probably be another "The light rail connection I think will probably be another two "The light rail connection I think will probably be another two years will probably be another two years in will probably be another two years in the will probably be another two years in the planning, will probably be another two years in the planning, the will probably be another two years in the planning, the funding, in the planning, the funding, the in the planning, the funding, the land in the planning, the funding, the land acquisitions in the planning, the funding, the land acquisitions ... the land acquisitions ... Then the land acquisitions ... Then you've the land acquisitions ... Then you've got the land acquisitions ... Then you've got another Then you've got another several Then you've got another several years Then you've got another several years to Then you've got another several years to build Then you've got another several years to build it Then you've got another several years to build it - several years to build it - so several years to build it - so it's several years to build it - so it's not several years to build it - so it's not going several years to build it - so it's not going to several years to build it - so it's not going to happen so it's not going to happen tomorrow", so it's not going to happen tomorrow", and so it's not going to happen tomorrow", and when so it's not going to happen tomorrow", and when will tomorrow", and when will the tomorrow", and when will the completed tomorrow", and when will the completed light tomorrow", and when will the completed light rail tomorrow", and when will the completed light rail project the completed light rail project in the completed light rail project in Auckland the completed light rail project in Auckland be the completed light rail project in Auckland be open the completed light rail project in Auckland be open to the completed light rail project in Auckland be open to passengers? The The Hon The Hon Phil The Hon Phil Twyford. The Hon Phil Twyford. The The Hon Phil Twyford. The answer The Hon Phil Twyford. The answer is The Hon Phil Twyford. The answer is yes. The Hon Phil Twyford. The answer is yes. And The Hon Phil Twyford. The answer is yes. And while The Hon Phil Twyford. The answer is yes. And while more The Hon Phil Twyford. The answer is yes. And while more detailed yes. And while more detailed timelines yes. And while more detailed timelines will yes. And while more detailed timelines will be yes. And while more detailed timelines will be announced yes. And while more detailed timelines will be announced with yes. And while more detailed timelines will be announced with the timelines will be announced with the delivery timelines will be announced with the delivery partner, timelines will be announced with the delivery partner, I timelines will be announced with the delivery partner, I can timelines will be announced with the delivery partner, I can confirm timelines will be announced with the delivery partner, I can confirm that delivery partner, I can confirm that the delivery partner, I can confirm that the project delivery partner, I can confirm that the project will delivery partner, I can confirm that the project will be delivery partner, I can confirm that the project will be open delivery partner, I can confirm that the project will be open well delivery partner, I can confirm that the project will be open well before the project will be open well before 2047 the project will be open well before 2047 - the project will be open well before 2047 - the the project will be open well before 2047 - the date the project will be open well before 2047 - the date promised the project will be open well before 2047 - the date promised by the project will be open well before 2047 - the date promised by the 2047 - the date promised by the previous 2047 - the date promised by the previous Transport 2047 - the date promised by the previous Transport Minister, 2047 - the date promised by the previous Transport Minister, Simon previous Transport Minister, Simon Bridges. Bridges. Why Bridges. Why is Bridges. Why is the Bridges. Why is the Government Bridges. Why is the Government choosing Bridges. 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In fact, intergenerational investment? No, it's not at all. In fact, in intergenerational investment? No, it's not at all. In fact, in the it's not at all. In fact, in the process it's not at all. In fact, in the process of it's not at all. In fact, in the process of actually it's not at all. In fact, in the process of actually determining it's not at all. 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Question competitive commercial process. Question No. competitive commercial process. Question No. 9. competitive commercial process. Question No. 9. Dr competitive commercial process. Question No. 9. Dr Deborah competitive commercial process. Question No. 9. Dr Deborah Russell. Question No. 9. Dr Deborah Russell. Tena Question No. 9. Dr Deborah Russell. Tena koe. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Revenue: of Revenue: What of Revenue: What is of Revenue: What is the of Revenue: What is the marginal of Revenue: What is the marginal tax What is the marginal tax rate What is the marginal tax rate for What is the marginal tax rate for someone What is the marginal tax rate for someone on What is the marginal tax rate for someone on the What is the marginal tax rate for someone on the median What is the marginal tax rate for someone on the median wage? 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This includes drug seizures of class-A, B and class-C drugs. This includes 1,080kg class-C drugs. This includes 1,080kg of class-C drugs. This includes 1,080kg of methamphetamine, class-C drugs. This includes 1,080kg of methamphetamine, 329kg class-C drugs. This includes 1,080kg of methamphetamine, 329kg of class-C drugs. This includes 1,080kg of methamphetamine, 329kg of meth of methamphetamine, 329kg of meth precursors, of methamphetamine, 329kg of meth precursors, and of methamphetamine, 329kg of meth precursors, and MDMA, of methamphetamine, 329kg of meth precursors, and MDMA, or of methamphetamine, 329kg of meth precursors, and MDMA, or ecstasy. precursors, and MDMA, or ecstasy. This precursors, and MDMA, or ecstasy. This Government precursors, and MDMA, or ecstasy. This Government made precursors, and MDMA, or ecstasy. This Government made the precursors, and MDMA, or ecstasy. This Government made the right precursors, and MDMA, or ecstasy. 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