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INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Almighty INTERPRETER: Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. I'm I'm sure I'm sure that I'm sure that members I'm sure that members would I'm sure that members would wish I'm sure that members would wish to I'm sure that members would wish to welcome I'm sure that members would wish to welcome Wolfgang I'm sure that members would wish to welcome Wolfgang Kubicki, to welcome Wolfgang Kubicki, Vice-President Vice-President of Vice-President of the Vice-President of the German Vice-President of the German Bundestag, of the German Bundestag, who of the German Bundestag, who is of the German Bundestag, who is to of the German Bundestag, who is to my of the German Bundestag, who is to my left. <APPLAUSE> The The Hon The Hon Iain The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Mr The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Mr Speaker, The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Mr Speaker, today The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Mr Speaker, today the The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Mr Speaker, today the House The Hon Iain Lees-Galloway. Mr Speaker, today the House will Speaker, today the House will adjourn Speaker, today the House will adjourn until Speaker, today the House will adjourn until Tuesday Speaker, today the House will adjourn until Tuesday 3 Speaker, today the House will adjourn until Tuesday 3 March. Speaker, today the House will adjourn until Tuesday 3 March. The adjourn until Tuesday 3 March. The debate adjourn until Tuesday 3 March. The debate on adjourn until Tuesday 3 March. The debate on the adjourn until Tuesday 3 March. The debate on the PM's adjourn until Tuesday 3 March. The debate on the PM's statement adjourn until Tuesday 3 March. 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Compared calendar year behind November and March. Compared to calendar year behind November and March. Compared to the calendar year behind November and March. Compared to the cashflow March. Compared to the cashflow numbers March. Compared to the cashflow numbers from March. Compared to the cashflow numbers from 2018, March. Compared to the cashflow numbers from 2018, the March. Compared to the cashflow numbers from 2018, the data March. Compared to the cashflow numbers from 2018, the data showed March. 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What reports has he Supplementary, sir. What reports has he seen Supplementary, sir. What reports has he seen on Supplementary, sir. What reports has he seen on the Supplementary, sir. What reports has he seen on the rural Supplementary, sir. What reports has he seen on the rural economy? Supplementary, sir. What reports has he seen on the rural economy? The he seen on the rural economy? The rural he seen on the rural economy? The rural economy he seen on the rural economy? The rural economy continues he seen on the rural economy? The rural economy continues to he seen on the rural economy? 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That is not the advice we are That is not the advice we are receiving That is not the advice we are receiving at That is not the advice we are receiving at the That is not the advice we are receiving at the home, That is not the advice we are receiving at the home, but That is not the advice we are receiving at the home, but it That is not the advice we are receiving at the home, but it is receiving at the home, but it is best receiving at the home, but it is best to receiving at the home, but it is best to be receiving at the home, but it is best to be prepared receiving at the home, but it is best to be prepared for receiving at the home, but it is best to be prepared for all receiving at the home, but it is best to be prepared for all possible best to be prepared for all possible scenarios. best to be prepared for all possible scenarios. Question best to be prepared for all possible scenarios. Question No. best to be prepared for all possible scenarios. 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The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr Megan The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker - The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker - yes. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker - yes. As The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker - yes. As I The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker - yes. As I explained The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker - yes. As I explained to The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker - yes. As I explained to the The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker - yes. As I explained to the member The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Mr Speaker - yes. As I explained to the member on yes. As I explained to the member on Tuesday, yes. As I explained to the member on Tuesday, in yes. As I explained to the member on Tuesday, in 2018/19, yes. As I explained to the member on Tuesday, in 2018/19, just yes. As I explained to the member on Tuesday, in 2018/19, just 22% yes. As I explained to the member on Tuesday, in 2018/19, just 22% of Tuesday, in 2018/19, just 22% of Kainga Tuesday, in 2018/19, just 22% of Kainga Ora Tuesday, in 2018/19, just 22% of Kainga Ora houses Tuesday, in 2018/19, just 22% of Kainga Ora houses were Tuesday, in 2018/19, just 22% of Kainga Ora houses were buy-ins, Tuesday, in 2018/19, just 22% of Kainga Ora houses were buy-ins, down Kainga Ora houses were buy-ins, down from Kainga Ora houses were buy-ins, down from the Kainga Ora houses were buy-ins, down from the 62% Kainga Ora houses were buy-ins, down from the 62% achieved Kainga Ora houses were buy-ins, down from the 62% achieved in Kainga Ora houses were buy-ins, down from the 62% achieved in the from the 62% achieved in the previous from the 62% achieved in the previous government. from the 62% achieved in the previous government. In from the 62% achieved in the previous government. In the from the 62% achieved in the previous government. In the current previous government. 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When she told Parliament on Tuesday that is down to around 15%. When she told Parliament on Tuesday that she is down to around 15%. When she told Parliament on Tuesday that she had Parliament on Tuesday that she had sought Parliament on Tuesday that she had sought assurances Parliament on Tuesday that she had sought assurances that Parliament on Tuesday that she had sought assurances that there Parliament on Tuesday that she had sought assurances that there was sought assurances that there was only sought assurances that there was only one sought assurances that there was only one case sought assurances that there was only one case of sought assurances that there was only one case of Kainga sought assurances that there was only one case of Kainga Ora only one case of Kainga Ora displacing only one case of Kainga Ora displacing first-home only one case of Kainga Ora displacing first-home buyers, only one case of Kainga Ora displacing first-home buyers, did displacing first-home buyers, did she displacing first-home buyers, did she receive displacing first-home buyers, did she receive that displacing first-home buyers, did she receive that assurance? displacing first-home buyers, did she receive that assurance? When displacing first-home buyers, did she receive that assurance? When I she receive that assurance? When I said she receive that assurance? When I said I she receive that assurance? When I said I had she receive that assurance? When I said I had sought she receive that assurance? When I said I had sought assurances she receive that assurance? When I said I had sought assurances from said I had sought assurances from officials, said I had sought assurances from officials, I said I had sought assurances from officials, I had said I had sought assurances from officials, I had asked said I had sought assurances from officials, I had asked if said I had sought assurances from officials, I had asked if there said I had sought assurances from officials, I had asked if there was officials, I had asked if there was a officials, I had asked if there was a situation officials, I had asked if there was a situation - officials, I had asked if there was a situation - any officials, I had asked if there was a situation - any other officials, I had asked if there was a situation - any other situation a situation - any other situation similar a situation - any other situation similar to a situation - any other situation similar to the a situation - any other situation similar to the Ongihunga a situation - any other situation similar to the Ongihunga case similar to the Ongihunga case cancelled. similar to the Ongihunga case cancelled. 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How does that answer reconcile with Kainga Ora's statement to with Kainga Ora's statement to Social with Kainga Ora's statement to Social Services with Kainga Ora's statement to Social Services yesterday, with Kainga Ora's statement to Social Services yesterday, that with Kainga Ora's statement to Social Services yesterday, that they Social Services yesterday, that they could Social Services yesterday, that they could not Social Services yesterday, that they could not provide Social Services yesterday, that they could not provide any Social Services yesterday, that they could not provide any sup Social Services yesterday, that they could not provide any sup guarantee? could not provide any sup guarantee? Mr could not provide any sup guarantee? Mr Speaker, could not provide any sup guarantee? Mr Speaker, what could not provide any sup guarantee? Mr Speaker, what the could not provide any sup guarantee? Mr Speaker, what the chief could not provide any sup guarantee? 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Under practice that is declining under our Government. Under the practice that is declining under our Government. Under the previous Government. Under the previous government, Government. Under the previous government, we Government. Under the previous government, we reached Government. Under the previous government, we reached highs Government. Under the previous government, we reached highs of Government. Under the previous government, we reached highs of over government, we reached highs of over 60% government, we reached highs of over 60% of government, we reached highs of over 60% of those government, we reached highs of over 60% of those properties government, we reached highs of over 60% of those properties being 60% of those properties being buy-ins. 60% of those properties being buy-ins. We 60% of those properties being buy-ins. We are 60% of those properties being buy-ins. We are building 60% of those properties being buy-ins. 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When her ministry says proportion of them are buy-ins. When her ministry says that proportion of them are buy-ins. When her ministry says that it proportion of them are buy-ins. When her ministry says that it is proportion of them are buy-ins. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: Minister of Transport: Does Minister of Transport: Does he Minister of Transport: Does he stand Minister of Transport: Does he stand by Minister of Transport: Does he stand by all Minister of Transport: Does he stand by all his Minister of Transport: Does he stand by all his statements Does he stand by all his statements on Does he stand by all his statements on NZ Does he stand by all his statements on NZ Infra's Does he stand by all his statements on NZ Infra's unsolicited Does he stand by all his statements on NZ Infra's unsolicited bid on NZ Infra's unsolicited bid for on NZ Infra's unsolicited bid for Auckland on NZ Infra's unsolicited bid for Auckland light on NZ Infra's unsolicited bid for Auckland light rail? The The Hon The Hon Phil The Hon Phil Twyford. The Hon Phil Twyford. 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How Auckland light rail project. How does Auckland light rail project. How does NZ Auckland light rail project. How does NZ Infra Auckland light rail project. How does NZ Infra meet Auckland light rail project. How does NZ Infra meet the Auckland light rail project. 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Obviously there was sufficient detail for it to be sufficient detail for it to be considered sufficient detail for it to be considered by sufficient detail for it to be considered by Treasury sufficient detail for it to be considered by Treasury and sufficient detail for it to be considered by Treasury and the considered by Treasury and the Ministry considered by Treasury and the Ministry of considered by Treasury and the Ministry of Transport considered by Treasury and the Ministry of Transport as considered by Treasury and the Ministry of Transport as a considered by Treasury and the Ministry of Transport as a serious Ministry of Transport as a serious bid Ministry of Transport as a serious bid that Ministry of Transport as a serious bid that required Ministry of Transport as a serious bid that required examination, Ministry of Transport as a serious bid that required examination, and bid that required examination, and more bid that required examination, and more detail bid that required examination, and more detail has bid that required examination, and more detail has been bid that required examination, and more detail has been elicited more detail has been elicited through more detail has been elicited through the more detail has been elicited through the twin-track more detail has been elicited through the twin-track process. through the twin-track process. Question through the twin-track process. Question No. through the twin-track process. Question No. 7 through the twin-track process. Question No. 7 - through the twin-track process. Question No. 7 - Raymond through the twin-track process. Question No. 7 - Raymond Huo. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: Minister of Transport: What Minister of Transport: What recent Minister of Transport: What recent actions Minister of Transport: What recent actions has Minister of Transport: What recent actions has he Minister of Transport: What recent actions has he taken What recent actions has he taken to What recent actions has he taken to encourage What recent actions has he taken to encourage more What recent actions has he taken to encourage more and What recent actions has he taken to encourage more and safer to encourage more and safer walking to encourage more and safer walking and to encourage more and safer walking and cycling? The The Hon The Hon Phil The Hon Phil Twyford. The Hon Phil Twyford. Last The Hon Phil Twyford. Last week, The Hon Phil Twyford. Last week, I The Hon Phil Twyford. Last week, I kicked The Hon Phil Twyford. Last week, I kicked off The Hon Phil Twyford. Last week, I kicked off construction The Hon Phil Twyford. Last week, I kicked off construction of The Hon Phil Twyford. Last week, I kicked off construction of the kicked off construction of the Tamaki kicked off construction of the Tamaki Drive kicked off construction of the Tamaki Drive Cycleway kicked off construction of the Tamaki Drive Cycleway with kicked off construction of the Tamaki Drive Cycleway with Mayor Tamaki Drive Cycleway with Mayor Phil Tamaki Drive Cycleway with Mayor Phil Gough. Tamaki Drive Cycleway with Mayor Phil Gough. It Tamaki Drive Cycleway with Mayor Phil Gough. It includes Tamaki Drive Cycleway with Mayor Phil Gough. It includes a Tamaki Drive Cycleway with Mayor Phil Gough. It includes a 2.8m Phil Gough. It includes a 2.8m dedicated Phil Gough. It includes a 2.8m dedicated road Phil Gough. It includes a 2.8m dedicated road cycleway, Phil Gough. It includes a 2.8m dedicated road cycleway, which Phil Gough. It includes a 2.8m dedicated road cycleway, which will dedicated road cycleway, which will be dedicated road cycleway, which will be separated dedicated road cycleway, which will be separated from dedicated road cycleway, which will be separated from the dedicated road cycleway, which will be separated from the existing be separated from the existing shared be separated from the existing shared pathway, be separated from the existing shared pathway, meaning be separated from the existing shared pathway, meaning both shared pathway, meaning both pedestrians shared pathway, meaning both pedestrians and shared pathway, meaning both pedestrians and cyclists shared pathway, meaning both pedestrians and cyclists will shared pathway, meaning both pedestrians and cyclists will be pedestrians and cyclists will be safer. pedestrians and cyclists will be safer. Upgrading pedestrians and cyclists will be safer. Upgrading one pedestrians and cyclists will be safer. Upgrading one of pedestrians and cyclists will be safer. Upgrading one of Auckland's safer. Upgrading one of Auckland's busiest safer. Upgrading one of Auckland's busiest cycle safer. Upgrading one of Auckland's busiest cycle routes safer. Upgrading one of Auckland's busiest cycle routes makes safer. Upgrading one of Auckland's busiest cycle routes makes sense. busiest cycle routes makes sense. There's busiest cycle routes makes sense. There's an busiest cycle routes makes sense. There's an average busiest cycle routes makes sense. There's an average of busiest cycle routes makes sense. There's an average of more busiest cycle routes makes sense. There's an average of more than There's an average of more than 1,500 There's an average of more than 1,500 cycle There's an average of more than 1,500 cycle trips There's an average of more than 1,500 cycle trips on There's an average of more than 1,500 cycle trips on that There's an average of more than 1,500 cycle trips on that route 1,500 cycle trips on that route every 1,500 cycle trips on that route every day. 1,500 cycle trips on that route every day. And 1,500 cycle trips on that route every day. And we 1,500 cycle trips on that route every day. And we expect 1,500 cycle trips on that route every day. And we expect even 1,500 cycle trips on that route every day. And we expect even more every day. And we expect even more people every day. And we expect even more people to every day. And we expect even more people to use every day. And we expect even more people to use it every day. And we expect even more people to use it once every day. And we expect even more people to use it once the every day. And we expect even more people to use it once the upgrade every day. And we expect even more people to use it once the upgrade is people to use it once the upgrade is completed. people to use it once the upgrade is completed. Supplementary: people to use it once the upgrade is completed. Supplementary: How people to use it once the upgrade is completed. Supplementary: How does completed. Supplementary: How does this completed. Supplementary: How does this cycleway completed. Supplementary: How does this cycleway help completed. Supplementary: How does this cycleway help motorists completed. Supplementary: How does this cycleway help motorists on completed. Supplementary: How does this cycleway help motorists on this this cycleway help motorists on this key this cycleway help motorists on this key route? this cycleway help motorists on this key route? Well, this cycleway help motorists on this key route? Well, every this cycleway help motorists on this key route? Well, every winter this cycleway help motorists on this key route? Well, every winter during key route? Well, every winter during storms key route? Well, every winter during storms and key route? Well, every winter during storms and king key route? Well, every winter during storms and king tides, key route? Well, every winter during storms and king tides, Tamaki key route? Well, every winter during storms and king tides, Tamaki Drive storms and king tides, Tamaki Drive is storms and king tides, Tamaki Drive is quite storms and king tides, Tamaki Drive is quite often storms and king tides, Tamaki Drive is quite often under storms and king tides, Tamaki Drive is quite often under water storms and king tides, Tamaki Drive is quite often under water and is quite often under water and impassable. is quite often under water and impassable. The is quite often under water and impassable. The project is quite often under water and impassable. The project will is quite often under water and impassable. The project will raise impassable. The project will raise sections impassable. The project will raise sections of impassable. The project will raise sections of Tamaki impassable. The project will raise sections of Tamaki Drive impassable. The project will raise sections of Tamaki Drive by impassable. The project will raise sections of Tamaki Drive by around sections of Tamaki Drive by around 50cm sections of Tamaki Drive by around 50cm to sections of Tamaki Drive by around 50cm to reduce sections of Tamaki Drive by around 50cm to reduce the sections of Tamaki Drive by around 50cm to reduce the impacts sections of Tamaki Drive by around 50cm to reduce the impacts of 50cm to reduce the impacts of flooding, 50cm to reduce the impacts of flooding, meaning 50cm to reduce the impacts of flooding, meaning that 50cm to reduce the impacts of flooding, meaning that drivers, flooding, meaning that drivers, cyclists flooding, meaning that drivers, cyclists and flooding, meaning that drivers, cyclists and pedestrians flooding, meaning that drivers, cyclists and pedestrians will flooding, meaning that drivers, cyclists and pedestrians will have flooding, meaning that drivers, cyclists and pedestrians will have a cyclists and pedestrians will have a more cyclists and pedestrians will have a more reliable cyclists and pedestrians will have a more reliable route. cyclists and pedestrians will have a more reliable route. What cyclists and pedestrians will have a more reliable route. What other more reliable route. What other recent more reliable route. What other recent announcements more reliable route. What other recent announcements has more reliable route. What other recent announcements has he more reliable route. What other recent announcements has he made recent announcements has he made about recent announcements has he made about walking recent announcements has he made about walking and recent announcements has he made about walking and cycling about walking and cycling infrastructure? about walking and cycling infrastructure? The about walking and cycling infrastructure? The recently infrastructure? The recently announced infrastructure? The recently announced NZ infrastructure? The recently announced NZ Upgrade infrastructure? The recently announced NZ Upgrade Programme announced NZ Upgrade Programme includes announced NZ Upgrade Programme includes nearly announced NZ Upgrade Programme includes nearly 100km announced NZ Upgrade Programme includes nearly 100km of announced NZ Upgrade Programme includes nearly 100km of shared includes nearly 100km of shared paths includes nearly 100km of shared paths across includes nearly 100km of shared paths across the includes nearly 100km of shared paths across the country includes nearly 100km of shared paths across the country to includes nearly 100km of shared paths across the country to give paths across the country to give people paths across the country to give people real paths across the country to give people real transport paths across the country to give people real transport choices. paths across the country to give people real transport choices. The people real transport choices. The programme people real transport choices. The programme also people real transport choices. The programme also fully people real transport choices. The programme also fully funds people real transport choices. The programme also fully funds Skypath programme also fully funds Skypath and programme also fully funds Skypath and Seapath programme also fully funds Skypath and Seapath so programme also fully funds Skypath and Seapath so that programme also fully funds Skypath and Seapath so that Aucklanders programme also fully funds Skypath and Seapath so that Aucklanders will and Seapath so that Aucklanders will finally and Seapath so that Aucklanders will finally get and Seapath so that Aucklanders will finally get the and Seapath so that Aucklanders will finally get the ability and Seapath so that Aucklanders will finally get the ability to and Seapath so that Aucklanders will finally get the ability to walk and Seapath so that Aucklanders will finally get the ability to walk and finally get the ability to walk and cycle finally get the ability to walk and cycle over finally get the ability to walk and cycle over the finally get the ability to walk and cycle over the harbour finally get the ability to walk and cycle over the harbour bridge. finally get the ability to walk and cycle over the harbour bridge. Our cycle over the harbour bridge. Our Government cycle over the harbour bridge. Our Government is cycle over the harbour bridge. Our Government is creating cycle over the harbour bridge. Our Government is creating safer, Government is creating safer, healthier, Government is creating safer, healthier, and Government is creating safer, healthier, and more Government is creating safer, healthier, and more accessible healthier, and more accessible cities healthier, and more accessible cities for healthier, and more accessible cities for people healthier, and more accessible cities for people of healthier, and more accessible cities for people of all healthier, and more accessible cities for people of all ages healthier, and more accessible cities for people of all ages and cities for people of all ages and abilities cities for people of all ages and abilities so cities for people of all ages and abilities so that cities for people of all ages and abilities so that they cities for people of all ages and abilities so that they can cities for people of all ages and abilities so that they can choose cities for people of all ages and abilities so that they can choose to abilities so that they can choose to bike abilities so that they can choose to bike every abilities so that they can choose to bike every day. abilities so that they can choose to bike every day. And abilities so that they can choose to bike every day. And I abilities so that they can choose to bike every day. And I want abilities so that they can choose to bike every day. And I want to bike every day. And I want to acknowledge bike every day. And I want to acknowledge the bike every day. And I want to acknowledge the Greens bike every day. And I want to acknowledge the Greens for bike every day. And I want to acknowledge the Greens for their acknowledge the Greens for their strong acknowledge the Greens for their strong advocacy acknowledge the Greens for their strong advocacy and acknowledge the Greens for their strong advocacy and role acknowledge the Greens for their strong advocacy and role in acknowledge the Greens for their strong advocacy and role in this strong advocacy and role in this policy. strong advocacy and role in this policy. Question strong advocacy and role in this policy. Question No. strong advocacy and role in this policy. Question No. 8 strong advocacy and role in this policy. Question No. 8 - strong advocacy and role in this policy. Question No. 8 - the strong advocacy and role in this policy. Question No. 8 - the Hon policy. Question No. 8 - the Hon Nikki policy. Question No. 8 - the Hon Nikki Kaye. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Education: Associate Minister of Education: Is Associate Minister of Education: Is she Associate Minister of Education: Is she confident Associate Minister of Education: Is she confident she Associate Minister of Education: Is she confident she is Associate Minister of Education: Is she confident she is delivering Is she confident she is delivering on Is she confident she is delivering on her Is she confident she is delivering on her promises on her promises around on her promises around additional on her promises around additional learning on her promises around additional learning support around additional learning support for around additional learning support for children? The The Hon The Hon Tracey The Hon Tracey Martin. The Hon Tracey Martin. I The Hon Tracey Martin. I want The Hon Tracey Martin. I want to The Hon Tracey Martin. I want to thank The Hon Tracey Martin. I want to thank the The Hon Tracey Martin. I want to thank the member The Hon Tracey Martin. I want to thank the member for The Hon Tracey Martin. I want to thank the member for asking The Hon Tracey Martin. I want to thank the member for asking this thank the member for asking this question thank the member for asking this question today. thank the member for asking this question today. Because thank the member for asking this question today. Because this question today. Because this morning, question today. Because this morning, I question today. Because this morning, I addressed question today. Because this morning, I addressed the question today. 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The bill will support Christchurch to thrive by Bill. The bill will support Christchurch to thrive by removing Christchurch to thrive by removing some Christchurch to thrive by removing some of Christchurch to thrive by removing some of the Christchurch to thrive by removing some of the Crown's Christchurch to thrive by removing some of the Crown's extraordinary some of the Crown's extraordinary powers some of the Crown's extraordinary powers that some of the Crown's extraordinary powers that are some of the Crown's extraordinary powers that are no some of the Crown's extraordinary powers that are no longer some of the Crown's extraordinary powers that are no longer required. powers that are no longer required. It powers that are no longer required. It will powers that are no longer required. It will also powers that are no longer required. It will also bring powers that are no longer required. It will also bring forward powers that are no longer required. It will also bring forward the It will also bring forward the planned It will also bring forward the planned disestablishment It will also bring forward the planned disestablishment and planned disestablishment and transition planned disestablishment and transition of planned disestablishment and transition of Regenerate transition of Regenerate Christchurch. transition of Regenerate Christchurch. As transition of Regenerate Christchurch. As we transition of Regenerate Christchurch. As we approach transition of Regenerate Christchurch. As we approach the Christchurch. As we approach the ninth Christchurch. As we approach the ninth anniversary Christchurch. As we approach the ninth anniversary of Christchurch. As we approach the ninth anniversary of the Christchurch. As we approach the ninth anniversary of the 22 Christchurch. As we approach the ninth anniversary of the 22 February ninth anniversary of the 22 February quakes, ninth anniversary of the 22 February quakes, the ninth anniversary of the 22 February quakes, the time ninth anniversary of the 22 February quakes, the time is ninth anniversary of the 22 February quakes, the time is right ninth anniversary of the 22 February quakes, the time is right to ninth anniversary of the 22 February quakes, the time is right to return quakes, the time is right to return responsibilities quakes, the time is right to return responsibilities back quakes, the time is right to return responsibilities back where quakes, the time is right to return responsibilities back where they responsibilities back where they belong responsibilities back where they belong - responsibilities back where they belong - the responsibilities back where they belong - the local responsibilities back where they belong - the local people. belong - the local people. 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This control back to local leadership in Greater Christchurch. This reflects Greater Christchurch. This reflects the Greater Christchurch. This reflects the incredible Greater Christchurch. This reflects the incredible work Greater Christchurch. This reflects the incredible work of Greater Christchurch. This reflects the incredible work of stakeholders, the incredible work of stakeholders, as the incredible work of stakeholders, as well the incredible work of stakeholders, as well as the incredible work of stakeholders, as well as local the incredible work of stakeholders, as well as local and the incredible work of stakeholders, as well as local and central as well as local and central government as well as local and central government officials as well as local and central government officials to as well as local and central government officials to speed as well as local and central government officials to speed up government officials to speed up progress, government officials to speed up progress, and government officials to speed up progress, and I government officials to speed up progress, and I want government officials to speed up progress, and I want to government officials to speed up progress, and I want to thank government officials to speed up progress, and I want to thank all government officials to speed up progress, and I want to thank all of progress, and I want to thank all of those progress, and I want to thank all of those who progress, and I want to thank all of those who have progress, and I want to thank all of those who have worked progress, and I want to thank all of those who have worked so progress, and I want to thank all of those who have worked so hard progress, and I want to thank all of those who have worked so hard to progress, and I want to thank all of those who have worked so hard to get those who have worked so hard to get us those who have worked so hard to get us to those who have worked so hard to get us to where those who have worked so hard to get us to where we those who have worked so hard to get us to where we are those who have worked so hard to get us to where we are today. those who have worked so hard to get us to where we are today. A those who have worked so hard to get us to where we are today. A further us to where we are today. A further supplementary: us to where we are today. A further supplementary: What us to where we are today. A further supplementary: What other us to where we are today. A further supplementary: What other steps us to where we are today. A further supplementary: What other steps has supplementary: What other steps has the supplementary: What other steps has the Government supplementary: What other steps has the Government taken supplementary: What other steps has the Government taken to supplementary: What other steps has the Government taken to accelerate the Government taken to accelerate progress the Government taken to accelerate progress in the Government taken to accelerate progress in Christchurch? the Government taken to accelerate progress in Christchurch? Over the Government taken to accelerate progress in Christchurch? Over the progress in Christchurch? 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Over the last two years, we've taken a number last two years, we've taken a number of last two years, we've taken a number of steps last two years, we've taken a number of steps to last two years, we've taken a number of steps to accelerate last two years, we've taken a number of steps to accelerate progress last two years, we've taken a number of steps to accelerate progress on of steps to accelerate progress on the of steps to accelerate progress on the regeneration of steps to accelerate progress on the regeneration of of steps to accelerate progress on the regeneration of the of steps to accelerate progress on the regeneration of the city. of steps to accelerate progress on the regeneration of the city. In the regeneration of the city. In February the regeneration of the city. In February last the regeneration of the city. In February last year, the regeneration of the city. In February last year, we the regeneration of the city. In February last year, we revoked the regeneration of the city. In February last year, we revoked the February last year, we revoked the Canterbury February last year, we revoked the Canterbury earthquake February last year, we revoked the Canterbury earthquake Christchurch Canterbury earthquake Christchurch replacement Canterbury earthquake Christchurch replacement district Canterbury earthquake Christchurch replacement district plan Canterbury earthquake Christchurch replacement district plan order replacement district plan order 2014, replacement district plan order 2014, which replacement district plan order 2014, which took replacement district plan order 2014, which took effect replacement district plan order 2014, which took effect from replacement district plan order 2014, which took effect from 18 2014, which took effect from 18 March 2014, which took effect from 18 March 2019. 2014, which took effect from 18 March 2019. That 2014, which took effect from 18 March 2019. That order 2014, which took effect from 18 March 2019. That order was 2014, which took effect from 18 March 2019. That order was due 2014, which took effect from 18 March 2019. That order was due to March 2019. That order was due to expire March 2019. That order was due to expire in March 2019. That order was due to expire in 2021. March 2019. That order was due to expire in 2021. Bringing March 2019. That order was due to expire in 2021. Bringing the expire in 2021. Bringing the restoration expire in 2021. Bringing the restoration of expire in 2021. Bringing the restoration of power expire in 2021. Bringing the restoration of power back expire in 2021. Bringing the restoration of power back the expire in 2021. Bringing the restoration of power back the city restoration of power back the city was restoration of power back the city was a restoration of power back the city was a significant restoration of power back the city was a significant achievement. restoration of power back the city was a significant achievement. Last was a significant achievement. Last year, was a significant achievement. Last year, we was a significant achievement. Last year, we concluded was a significant achievement. Last year, we concluded a was a significant achievement. Last year, we concluded a global year, we concluded a global settlement year, we concluded a global settlement with year, we concluded a global settlement with the year, we concluded a global settlement with the council, year, we concluded a global settlement with the council, marking settlement with the council, marking a settlement with the council, marking a major settlement with the council, marking a major milestone settlement with the council, marking a major milestone in settlement with the council, marking a major milestone in getting settlement with the council, marking a major milestone in getting the a major milestone in getting the city a major milestone in getting the city back a major milestone in getting the city back to a major milestone in getting the city back to full a major milestone in getting the city back to full local a major milestone in getting the city back to full local leadership. city back to full local leadership. Of city back to full local leadership. Of course, city back to full local leadership. Of course, we're city back to full local leadership. Of course, we're also city back to full local leadership. Of course, we're also continuing city back to full local leadership. Of course, we're also continuing to Of course, we're also continuing to invest Of course, we're also continuing to invest heavily Of course, we're also continuing to invest heavily in Of course, we're also continuing to invest heavily in projects Of course, we're also continuing to invest heavily in projects in invest heavily in projects in Greater invest heavily in projects in Greater Christchurch, invest heavily in projects in Greater Christchurch, with invest heavily in projects in Greater Christchurch, with $300 Greater Christchurch, with $300 million Greater Christchurch, with $300 million set Greater Christchurch, with $300 million set aside Greater Christchurch, with $300 million set aside for Greater Christchurch, with $300 million set aside for major million set aside for major projects. million set aside for major projects. We're million set aside for major projects. We're proud million set aside for major projects. We're proud of million set aside for major projects. We're proud of the million set aside for major projects. We're proud of the work projects. We're proud of the work we're projects. We're proud of the work we're doing, projects. We're proud of the work we're doing, and projects. We're proud of the work we're doing, and I projects. We're proud of the work we're doing, and I look projects. We're proud of the work we're doing, and I look forward projects. We're proud of the work we're doing, and I look forward to we're doing, and I look forward to announcing we're doing, and I look forward to announcing further we're doing, and I look forward to announcing further progress we're doing, and I look forward to announcing further progress in we're doing, and I look forward to announcing further progress in the announcing further progress in the coming announcing further progress in the coming months. announcing further progress in the coming months. Question announcing further progress in the coming months. Question No. announcing further progress in the coming months. Question No. 11 announcing further progress in the coming months. Question No. 11 - coming months. Question No. 11 - Todd coming months. Question No. 11 - Todd Muller. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Agriculture: Minister of Agriculture: When Minister of Agriculture: When was Minister of Agriculture: When was he Minister of Agriculture: When was he first Minister of Agriculture: When was he first informed Minister of Agriculture: When was he first informed of Minister of Agriculture: When was he first informed of the When was he first informed of the regional When was he first informed of the regional outbreak When was he first informed of the regional outbreak of When was he first informed of the regional outbreak of bovine When was he first informed of the regional outbreak of bovine TB regional outbreak of bovine TB in regional outbreak of bovine TB in Hawke's regional outbreak of bovine TB in Hawke's Bay? The The Hon The Hon Shane The Hon Shane Jones. The Hon Shane Jones. On The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the Minister The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the Minister of The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the Minister of Agriculture, The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the Minister of Agriculture, I The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the Minister of Agriculture, I am the Minister of Agriculture, I am informed, the Minister of Agriculture, I am informed, in the Minister of Agriculture, I am informed, in early the Minister of Agriculture, I am informed, in early last the Minister of Agriculture, I am informed, in early last October, the Minister of Agriculture, I am informed, in early last October, the informed, in early last October, the Minister informed, in early last October, the Minister was informed, in early last October, the Minister was informed informed, in early last October, the Minister was informed of informed, in early last October, the Minister was informed of a informed, in early last October, the Minister was informed of a small Minister was informed of a small increase Minister was informed of a small increase in Minister was informed of a small increase in TB Minister was informed of a small increase in TB cases Minister was informed of a small increase in TB cases in Minister was informed of a small increase in TB cases in the Minister was informed of a small increase in TB cases in the Hawke's increase in TB cases in the Hawke's Bay. increase in TB cases in the Hawke's Bay. 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Further is unworthy of contributions to this House. Further supplementary. is unworthy of contributions to this House. Further supplementary. Why House. Further supplementary. Why did House. Further supplementary. Why did it House. Further supplementary. Why did it take House. Further supplementary. Why did it take six House. Further supplementary. Why did it take six months House. Further supplementary. Why did it take six months for House. Further supplementary. Why did it take six months for Ospr,y House. Further supplementary. Why did it take six months for Ospr,y to did it take six months for Ospr,y to arrange did it take six months for Ospr,y to arrange trapping did it take six months for Ospr,y to arrange trapping and did it take six months for Ospr,y to arrange trapping and poisoning arrange trapping and poisoning operations arrange trapping and poisoning operations to arrange trapping and poisoning operations to surround arrange trapping and poisoning operations to surround a arrange trapping and poisoning operations to surround a property operations to surround a property that operations to surround a property that had operations to surround a property that had nine operations to surround a property that had nine affected operations to surround a property that had nine affected animals? operations to surround a property that had nine affected animals? Sir, that had nine affected animals? Sir, as that had nine affected animals? Sir, as I that had nine affected animals? Sir, as I said, that had nine affected animals? Sir, as I said, this that had nine affected animals? Sir, as I said, this is that had nine affected animals? Sir, as I said, this is not that had nine affected animals? Sir, as I said, this is not the that had nine affected animals? Sir, as I said, this is not the case as I said, this is not the case where as I said, this is not the case where we as I said, this is not the case where we should as I said, this is not the case where we should allow as I said, this is not the case where we should allow scaremongering where we should allow scaremongering to where we should allow scaremongering to inform where we should allow scaremongering to inform these where we should allow scaremongering to inform these issues. where we should allow scaremongering to inform these issues. Possum to inform these issues. Possum control to inform these issues. Possum control operations, to inform these issues. Possum control operations, sir, to inform these issues. Possum control operations, sir, have to inform these issues. Possum control operations, sir, have been control operations, sir, have been brought control operations, sir, have been brought forward control operations, sir, have been brought forward and control operations, sir, have been brought forward and planned. control operations, sir, have been brought forward and planned. Whether brought forward and planned. Whether or brought forward and planned. Whether or not brought forward and planned. Whether or not there brought forward and planned. Whether or not there were brought forward and planned. Whether or not there were problems brought forward and planned. 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There have been numerous clusters of last year? There have been numerous clusters of infections last year? There have been numerous clusters of infections over last year? There have been numerous clusters of infections over the last year? There have been numerous clusters of infections over the last clusters of infections over the last decade, clusters of infections over the last decade, all clusters of infections over the last decade, all of clusters of infections over the last decade, all of which clusters of infections over the last decade, all of which have clusters of infections over the last decade, all of which have been decade, all of which have been successfully decade, all of which have been successfully managed? decade, all of which have been successfully managed? Sir, decade, all of which have been successfully managed? Sir, there decade, all of which have been successfully managed? Sir, there is successfully managed? Sir, there is a successfully managed? Sir, there is a modest successfully managed? Sir, there is a modest mop-up successfully managed? Sir, there is a modest mop-up being successfully managed? Sir, there is a modest mop-up being addressed successfully managed? Sir, there is a modest mop-up being addressed in a modest mop-up being addressed in the a modest mop-up being addressed in the hauks a modest mop-up being addressed in the hauks Bray, a modest mop-up being addressed in the hauks Bray, but a modest mop-up being addressed in the hauks Bray, but to a modest mop-up being addressed in the hauks Bray, but to suggest a modest mop-up being addressed in the hauks Bray, but to suggest that the hauks Bray, but to suggest that things the hauks Bray, but to suggest that things are the hauks Bray, but to suggest that things are worsening the hauks Bray, but to suggest that things are worsening is things are worsening is unfortunately things are worsening is unfortunately a things are worsening is unfortunately a lame things are worsening is unfortunately a lame attempt things are worsening is unfortunately a lame attempt at unfortunately a lame attempt at scaremongering unfortunately a lame attempt at scaremongering and unfortunately a lame attempt at scaremongering and it unfortunately a lame attempt at scaremongering and it will unfortunately a lame attempt at scaremongering and it will not scaremongering and it will not succeed. scaremongering and it will not succeed. Todd scaremongering and it will not succeed. Todd Muller. scaremongering and it will not succeed. Todd Muller. How scaremongering and it will not succeed. Todd Muller. How can scaremongering and it will not succeed. Todd Muller. How can he succeed. Todd Muller. How can he honestly succeed. Todd Muller. How can he honestly stand succeed. Todd Muller. How can he honestly stand in succeed. Todd Muller. How can he honestly stand in this succeed. Todd Muller. How can he honestly stand in this House succeed. Todd Muller. How can he honestly stand in this House and succeed. Todd Muller. How can he honestly stand in this House and say honestly stand in this House and say first honestly stand in this House and say first detection honestly stand in this House and say first detection last honestly stand in this House and say first detection last April, honestly stand in this House and say first detection last April, six first detection last April, six months first detection last April, six months of first detection last April, six months of no first detection last April, six months of no poisoning, first detection last April, six months of no poisoning, expands first detection last April, six months of no poisoning, expands to months of no poisoning, expands to nine months of no poisoning, expands to nine farms months of no poisoning, expands to nine farms and months of no poisoning, expands to nine farms and now months of no poisoning, expands to nine farms and now on months of no poisoning, expands to nine farms and now on 1 months of no poisoning, expands to nine farms and now on 1 March months of no poisoning, expands to nine farms and now on 1 March there nine farms and now on 1 March there is nine farms and now on 1 March there is a nine farms and now on 1 March there is a no-month. nine farms and now on 1 March there is a no-month. 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Question No. 12, Brett Hudson. scaremongering. Question No. 12, Brett Hudson. D My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Minister of Police: Will Minister of Police: Will he Minister of Police: Will he consider Will he consider supporting Will he consider supporting amendments supporting amendments to supporting amendments to the supporting amendments to the Arms supporting amendments to the Arms Legislation supporting amendments to the Arms Legislation Bill; to the Arms Legislation Bill; if to the Arms Legislation Bill; if not, to the Arms Legislation Bill; if not, why to the Arms Legislation Bill; if not, why not? The The Hon The Hon Andrew The Hon Andrew Little. The Hon Andrew Little. On The Hon Andrew Little. On behalf The Hon Andrew Little. On behalf of The Hon Andrew Little. On behalf of the The Hon Andrew Little. On behalf of the Minister The Hon Andrew Little. On behalf of the Minister of The Hon Andrew Little. On behalf of the Minister of Police, The Hon Andrew Little. On behalf of the Minister of Police, yes. the Minister of Police, yes. Especially the Minister of Police, yes. Especially the the Minister of Police, yes. Especially the 25 the Minister of Police, yes. Especially the 25 Moresi Especially the 25 Moresi recommendations Especially the 25 Moresi recommendations from Especially the 25 Moresi recommendations from the Especially the 25 Moresi recommendations from the Finance Especially the 25 Moresi recommendations from the Finance and recommendations from the Finance and Expenditure recommendations from the Finance and Expenditure Committee recommendations from the Finance and Expenditure Committee who recommendations from the Finance and Expenditure Committee who considered Expenditure Committee who considered 3527 Expenditure Committee who considered 3527 written Expenditure Committee who considered 3527 written submission, Expenditure Committee who considered 3527 written submission, heard Expenditure Committee who considered 3527 written submission, heard from 3527 written submission, heard from 381 3527 written submission, heard from 381 submitters 3527 written submission, heard from 381 submitters in 3527 written submission, heard from 381 submitters in person 3527 written submission, heard from 381 submitters in person and 3527 written submission, heard from 381 submitters in person and sat 3527 written submission, heard from 381 submitters in person and sat for 381 submitters in person and sat for 41 381 submitters in person and sat for 41 hours 381 submitters in person and sat for 41 hours on 381 submitters in person and sat for 41 hours on the 381 submitters in person and sat for 41 hours on the bill. 381 submitters in person and sat for 41 hours on the bill. Supplementary 41 hours on the bill. Supplementary will 41 hours on the bill. Supplementary will he 41 hours on the bill. Supplementary will he support 41 hours on the bill. Supplementary will he support the 41 hours on the bill. Supplementary will he support the amendment 41 hours on the bill. Supplementary will he support the amendment to will he support the amendment to limit will he support the amendment to limit the will he support the amendment to limit the compliance will he support the amendment to limit the compliance and will he support the amendment to limit the compliance and burden will he support the amendment to limit the compliance and burden on limit the compliance and burden on shooting limit the compliance and burden on shooting clubs limit the compliance and burden on shooting clubs and limit the compliance and burden on shooting clubs and rangers limit the compliance and burden on shooting clubs and rangers while shooting clubs and rangers while still shooting clubs and rangers while still providing shooting clubs and rangers while still providing for shooting clubs and rangers while still providing for public shooting clubs and rangers while still providing for public safety? still providing for public safety? If still providing for public safety? If not, still providing for public safety? If not, why still providing for public safety? If not, why not? still providing for public safety? If not, why not? Mr still providing for public safety? If not, why not? Mr Speaker, still providing for public safety? If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member is If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member is speaking If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member is speaking in member is speaking in contradictions. member is speaking in contradictions. The member is speaking in contradictions. The reason member is speaking in contradictions. The reason for member is speaking in contradictions. The reason for the contradictions. The reason for the change contradictions. The reason for the change to contradictions. The reason for the change to the contradictions. The reason for the change to the shooting contradictions. The reason for the change to the shooting clubs, contradictions. The reason for the change to the shooting clubs, the change to the shooting clubs, the gun change to the shooting clubs, the gun clubs, change to the shooting clubs, the gun clubs, is change to the shooting clubs, the gun clubs, is to change to the shooting clubs, the gun clubs, is to lift change to the shooting clubs, the gun clubs, is to lift their change to the shooting clubs, the gun clubs, is to lift their safety gun clubs, is to lift their safety performance gun clubs, is to lift their safety performance and gun clubs, is to lift their safety performance and make gun clubs, is to lift their safety performance and make sure gun clubs, is to lift their safety performance and make sure those gun clubs, is to lift their safety performance and make sure those who performance and make sure those who are performance and make sure those who are using performance and make sure those who are using those performance and make sure those who are using those facilities performance and make sure those who are using those facilities are performance and make sure those who are using those facilities are as are using those facilities are as safe are using those facilities are as safe as are using those facilities are as safe as possible. are using those facilities are as safe as possible. Will are using those facilities are as safe as possible. Will he are using those facilities are as safe as possible. Will he support are using those facilities are as safe as possible. Will he support my safe as possible. Will he support my amendment safe as possible. Will he support my amendment to safe as possible. Will he support my amendment to instate safe as possible. Will he support my amendment to instate prohibited amendment to instate prohibited firearm amendment to instate prohibited firearm ex amendment to instate prohibited firearm ex systemions amendment to instate prohibited firearm ex systemions for amendment to instate prohibited firearm ex systemions for sports firearm ex systemions for sports shooters firearm ex systemions for sports shooters so firearm ex systemions for sports shooters so they firearm ex systemions for sports shooters so they can firearm ex systemions for sports shooters so they can continue firearm ex systemions for sports shooters so they can continue to shooters so they can continue to compete shooters so they can continue to compete in shooters so they can continue to compete in their shooters so they can continue to compete in their sport, shooters so they can continue to compete in their sport, if shooters so they can continue to compete in their sport, if not, shooters so they can continue to compete in their sport, if not, why compete in their sport, if not, why not? compete in their sport, if not, why not? No, compete in their sport, if not, why not? No, Mr compete in their sport, if not, why not? No, Mr Speaker. compete in their sport, if not, why not? No, Mr Speaker. There compete in their sport, if not, why not? No, Mr Speaker. There is compete in their sport, if not, why not? No, Mr Speaker. There is no not? No, Mr Speaker. There is no intention not? No, Mr Speaker. There is no intention to not? No, Mr Speaker. There is no intention to change not? No, Mr Speaker. There is no intention to change the not? No, Mr Speaker. There is no intention to change the policy not? No, Mr Speaker. There is no intention to change the policy on intention to change the policy on that intention to change the policy on that particular intention to change the policy on that particular point intention to change the policy on that particular point at intention to change the policy on that particular point at the intention to change the policy on that particular point at the moment, that particular point at the moment, but that particular point at the moment, but unless that particular point at the moment, but unless that that particular point at the moment, but unless that member that particular point at the moment, but unless that member has that particular point at the moment, but unless that member has something but unless that member has something constructive but unless that member has something constructive to but unless that member has something constructive to add but unless that member has something constructive to add that but unless that member has something constructive to add that is but unless that member has something constructive to add that is going but unless that member has something constructive to add that is going to constructive to add that is going to add constructive to add that is going to add to constructive to add that is going to add to the constructive to add that is going to add to the safety constructive to add that is going to add to the safety rage constructive to add that is going to add to the safety rage around add to the safety rage around firearm add to the safety rage around firearm ownership, add to the safety rage around firearm ownership, then add to the safety rage around firearm ownership, then this firearm ownership, then this government firearm ownership, then this government is firearm ownership, then this government is all firearm ownership, then this government is all ears. government is all ears. Supplementary. government is all ears. Supplementary. Will government is all ears. Supplementary. Will he government is all ears. Supplementary. Will he support government is all ears. Supplementary. Will he support my Supplementary. Will he support my amendment Supplementary. Will he support my amendment to Supplementary. Will he support my amendment to provide Supplementary. Will he support my amendment to provide for Supplementary. Will he support my amendment to provide for a Supplementary. Will he support my amendment to provide for a more amendment to provide for a more common amendment to provide for a more common sense amendment to provide for a more common sense prohibitive amendment to provide for a more common sense prohibitive firearm common sense prohibitive firearm exemption common sense prohibitive firearm exemption regime common sense prohibitive firearm exemption regime for common sense prohibitive firearm exemption regime for farmers common sense prohibitive firearm exemption regime for farmers to exemption regime for farmers to control exemption regime for farmers to control pests exemption regime for farmers to control pests on exemption regime for farmers to control pests on their exemption regime for farmers to control pests on their property control pests on their property themselves control pests on their property themselves without control pests on their property themselves without having control pests on their property themselves without having to control pests on their property themselves without having to form control pests on their property themselves without having to form a themselves without having to form a separate themselves without having to form a separate company? themselves without having to form a separate company? If themselves without having to form a separate company? If not, themselves without having to form a separate company? If not, why themselves without having to form a separate company? If not, why not? separate company? If not, why not? Mr separate company? If not, why not? Mr Speaker, separate company? If not, why not? Mr Speaker, that separate company? If not, why not? Mr Speaker, that question Mr Speaker, that question presupposes Mr Speaker, that question presupposes that Mr Speaker, that question presupposes that that Mr Speaker, that question presupposes that that member Mr Speaker, that question presupposes that that member common presupposes that that member common sense presupposes that that member common sense and presupposes that that member common sense and if presupposes that that member common sense and if he presupposes that that member common sense and if he is presupposes that that member common sense and if he is the presupposes that that member common sense and if he is the author presupposes that that member common sense and if he is the author of presupposes that that member common sense and if he is the author of the sense and if he is the author of the proposal, sense and if he is the author of the proposal, it sense and if he is the author of the proposal, it is sense and if he is the author of the proposal, it is unlikely sense and if he is the author of the proposal, it is unlikely to sense and if he is the author of the proposal, it is unlikely to be proposal, it is unlikely to be adopted proposal, it is unlikely to be adopted by proposal, it is unlikely to be adopted by this proposal, it is unlikely to be adopted by this government. proposal, it is unlikely to be adopted by this government. Michael adopted by this government. Michael Wood. adopted by this government. Michael Wood. Does adopted by this government. Michael Wood. Does the adopted by this government. Michael Wood. Does the minister adopted by this government. Michael Wood. Does the minister continue adopted by this government. Michael Wood. Does the minister continue to Wood. Does the minister continue to support Wood. Does the minister continue to support rules Wood. Does the minister continue to support rules around Wood. Does the minister continue to support rules around access Wood. Does the minister continue to support rules around access to support rules around access to weapons support rules around access to weapons referred support rules around access to weapons referred to support rules around access to weapons referred to by support rules around access to weapons referred to by the support rules around access to weapons referred to by the member support rules around access to weapons referred to by the member no weapons referred to by the member no respect weapons referred to by the member no respect to weapons referred to by the member no respect to pest weapons referred to by the member no respect to pest control weapons referred to by the member no respect to pest control and weapons referred to by the member no respect to pest control and access respect to pest control and access to respect to pest control and access to sporting respect to pest control and access to sporting withes respect to pest control and access to sporting withes as respect to pest control and access to sporting withes as passed respect to pest control and access to sporting withes as passed through to sporting withes as passed through in to sporting withes as passed through in Phase to sporting withes as passed through in Phase 1 to sporting withes as passed through in Phase 1 of to sporting withes as passed through in Phase 1 of the to sporting withes as passed through in Phase 1 of the firearms to sporting withes as passed through in Phase 1 of the firearms reform to sporting withes as passed through in Phase 1 of the firearms reform in in Phase 1 of the firearms reform in this in Phase 1 of the firearms reform in this House in Phase 1 of the firearms reform in this House unanimously in Phase 1 of the firearms reform in this House unanimously a in Phase 1 of the firearms reform in this House unanimously a few in Phase 1 of the firearms reform in this House unanimously a few months this House unanimously a few months ago? this House unanimously a few months ago? Yes. this House unanimously a few months ago? Yes. The this House unanimously a few months ago? Yes. The member this House unanimously a few months ago? Yes. The member raises this House unanimously a few months ago? Yes. The member raises an ago? Yes. The member raises an important ago? Yes. The member raises an important point ago? Yes. The member raises an important point which ago? Yes. The member raises an important point which is ago? Yes. The member raises an important point which is that ago? Yes. The member raises an important point which is that this important point which is that this House important point which is that this House has important point which is that this House has already important point which is that this House has already considered important point which is that this House has already considered those House has already considered those issues House has already considered those issues and House has already considered those issues and exemptions House has already considered those issues and exemptions were House has already considered those issues and exemptions were given House has already considered those issues and exemptions were given for issues and exemptions were given for those issues and exemptions were given for those conducting issues and exemptions were given for those conducting pest issues and exemptions were given for those conducting pest control those conducting pest control operations those conducting pest control operations and those conducting pest control operations and those those conducting pest control operations and those pest those conducting pest control operations and those pest control operations and those pest control operations operations and those pest control operations are operations and those pest control operations are being operations and those pest control operations are being conducted operations are being conducted happily. operations are being conducted happily. Likewise operations are being conducted happily. Likewise in operations are being conducted happily. Likewise in relation operations are being conducted happily. Likewise in relation to happily. Likewise in relation to competitive happily. Likewise in relation to competitive shooters, happily. Likewise in relation to competitive shooters, exemptions competitive shooters, exemptions were competitive shooters, exemptions were provided competitive shooters, exemptions were provided there, competitive shooters, exemptions were provided there, but competitive shooters, exemptions were provided there, but that competitive shooters, exemptions were provided there, but that member were provided there, but that member asking were provided there, but that member asking the were provided there, but that member asking the primary were provided there, but that member asking the primary question were provided there, but that member asking the primary question and were provided there, but that member asking the primary question and some asking the primary question and some supplementary asking the primary question and some supplementary questions asking the primary question and some supplementary questions considered supplementary questions considered to supplementary questions considered to believe supplementary questions considered to believe there supplementary questions considered to believe there is supplementary questions considered to believe there is a supplementary questions considered to believe there is a form supplementary questions considered to believe there is a form of to believe there is a form of competitive to believe there is a form of competitive shooting, to believe there is a form of competitive shooting, a to believe there is a form of competitive shooting, a 3-gun competitive shooting, a 3-gun shooting competitive shooting, a 3-gun shooting contest, competitive shooting, a 3-gun shooting contest, that competitive shooting, a 3-gun shooting contest, that it competitive shooting, a 3-gun shooting contest, that it will shooting contest, that it will somehow shooting contest, that it will somehow take shooting contest, that it will somehow take off shooting contest, that it will somehow take off world shooting contest, that it will somehow take off world wide shooting contest, that it will somehow take off world wide and shooting contest, that it will somehow take off world wide and no somehow take off world wide and no other somehow take off world wide and no other country somehow take off world wide and no other country wants somehow take off world wide and no other country wants it somehow take off world wide and no other country wants it and somehow take off world wide and no other country wants it and it somehow take off world wide and no other country wants it and it is other country wants it and it is most other country wants it and it is most unlikely other country wants it and it is most unlikely to other country wants it and it is most unlikely to be other country wants it and it is most unlikely to be a other country wants it and it is most unlikely to be a PM other country wants it and it is most unlikely to be a PM Scott most unlikely to be a PM Scott Morrison most unlikely to be a PM Scott Morrison of most unlikely to be a PM Scott Morrison of competitive most unlikely to be a PM Scott Morrison of competitive shooting. Morrison of competitive shooting. Supplementary. Morrison of competitive shooting. Supplementary. Will Morrison of competitive shooting. Supplementary. Will he Morrison of competitive shooting. Supplementary. Will he support Morrison of competitive shooting. Supplementary. Will he support the Supplementary. Will he support the amendment Supplementary. Will he support the amendment lodged Supplementary. Will he support the amendment lodged by Supplementary. Will he support the amendment lodged by me Supplementary. Will he support the amendment lodged by me in Supplementary. Will he support the amendment lodged by me in stating amendment lodged by me in stating recommendation, amendment lodged by me in stating recommendation, prior amendment lodged by me in stating recommendation, prior recommendation recommendation, prior recommendation from recommendation, prior recommendation from the recommendation, prior recommendation from the Offices recommendation, prior recommendation from the Offices of recommendation, prior recommendation from the Offices of the recommendation, prior recommendation from the Offices of the Clerk recommendation, prior recommendation from the Offices of the Clerk to from the Offices of the Clerk to restrain from the Offices of the Clerk to restrain regulation-making from the Offices of the Clerk to restrain regulation-making powers? restrain regulation-making powers? If restrain regulation-making powers? If not, restrain regulation-making powers? If not, why restrain regulation-making powers? If not, why not? restrain regulation-making powers? If not, why not? Mr restrain regulation-making powers? If not, why not? Mr Speaker, restrain regulation-making powers? If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member needs If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member needs to If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member needs to keep If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member needs to keep up. If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member needs to keep up. The If not, why not? Mr Speaker, the member needs to keep up. The select member needs to keep up. The select committee member needs to keep up. The select committee are member needs to keep up. The select committee are commenced member needs to keep up. The select committee are commenced some member needs to keep up. The select committee are commenced some changes committee are commenced some changes in committee are commenced some changes in that committee are commenced some changes in that respect. committee are commenced some changes in that respect. They committee are commenced some changes in that respect. They were committee are commenced some changes in that respect. They were sensible in that respect. They were sensible changes in that respect. They were sensible changes that in that respect. They were sensible changes that reflected in that respect. They were sensible changes that reflected the in that respect. They were sensible changes that reflected the purport changes that reflected the purport of changes that reflected the purport of what changes that reflected the purport of what the changes that reflected the purport of what the Clerk changes that reflected the purport of what the Clerk raised changes that reflected the purport of what the Clerk raised and changes that reflected the purport of what the Clerk raised and there of what the Clerk raised and there would of what the Clerk raised and there would be of what the Clerk raised and there would be sensible of what the Clerk raised and there would be sensible changes of what the Clerk raised and there would be sensible changes that