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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: My question is to the Minister of Finance: What My question is to the Minister of Finance: What recent My question is to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports My question is to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has My question is to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he Finance: What recent reports has he seen Finance: What recent reports has he seen on Finance: What recent reports has he seen on household Finance: What recent reports has he seen on household incomes? A A report A report released A report released yesterday A report released yesterday by A report released yesterday by Statistics A report released yesterday by Statistics NZ A report released yesterday by Statistics NZ showed A report released yesterday by Statistics NZ showed strong A report released yesterday by Statistics NZ showed strong growth Statistics NZ showed strong growth in Statistics NZ showed strong growth in median Statistics NZ showed strong growth in median household Statistics NZ showed strong growth in median household incomes Statistics NZ showed strong growth in median household incomes in Statistics NZ showed strong growth in median household incomes in the in median household incomes in the year in median household incomes in the year to in median household incomes in the year to June in median household incomes in the year to June 2020. in median household incomes in the year to June 2020. Statistics in median household incomes in the year to June 2020. Statistics NZ year to June 2020. Statistics NZ found year to June 2020. Statistics NZ found the year to June 2020. Statistics NZ found the annual year to June 2020. Statistics NZ found the annual median year to June 2020. Statistics NZ found the annual median income year to June 2020. Statistics NZ found the annual median income rose found the annual median income rose 66.9% found the annual median income rose 66.9% to found the annual median income rose 66.9% to $75,424 found the annual median income rose 66.9% to $75,424 compared found the annual median income rose 66.9% to $75,424 compared with found the annual median income rose 66.9% to $75,424 compared with a 66.9% to $75,424 compared with a year 66.9% to $75,424 compared with a year earlier. 66.9% to $75,424 compared with a year earlier. While 66.9% to $75,424 compared with a year earlier. While obviously 66.9% to $75,424 compared with a year earlier. While obviously the year earlier. While obviously the figures year earlier. While obviously the figures don't year earlier. While obviously the figures don't take year earlier. While obviously the figures don't take into year earlier. While obviously the figures don't take into account figures don't take into account COVID-19, figures don't take into account COVID-19, they figures don't take into account COVID-19, they do figures don't take into account COVID-19, they do show figures don't take into account COVID-19, they do show that figures don't take into account COVID-19, they do show that the COVID-19, they do show that the Government's COVID-19, they do show that the Government's focus COVID-19, they do show that the Government's focus on COVID-19, they do show that the Government's focus on raising Government's focus on raising incomes, Government's focus on raising incomes, particularly Government's focus on raising incomes, particularly for Government's focus on raising incomes, particularly for those Government's focus on raising incomes, particularly for those on incomes, particularly for those on low-to-middle-income, incomes, particularly for those on low-to-middle-income, through incomes, particularly for those on low-to-middle-income, through a low-to-middle-income, through a strong low-to-middle-income, through a strong economy, low-to-middle-income, through a strong economy, the low-to-middle-income, through a strong economy, the families low-to-middle-income, through a strong economy, the families package strong economy, the families package and strong economy, the families package and increases strong economy, the families package and increases in strong economy, the families package and increases in the strong economy, the families package and increases in the minimum strong economy, the families package and increases in the minimum wage and increases in the minimum wage and and increases in the minimum wage and supporting and increases in the minimum wage and supporting more and increases in the minimum wage and supporting more people and increases in the minimum wage and supporting more people into and increases in the minimum wage and supporting more people into work and supporting more people into work have and supporting more people into work have been and supporting more people into work have been having and supporting more people into work have been having some and supporting more people into work have been having some effect. have been having some effect. Supplementary. have been having some effect. Supplementary. What have been having some effect. Supplementary. What does have been having some effect. Supplementary. What does the Supplementary. What does the Statistics Supplementary. What does the Statistics NZ Supplementary. What does the Statistics NZ report Supplementary. What does the Statistics NZ report say Supplementary. What does the Statistics NZ report say about Statistics NZ report say about disposable Statistics NZ report say about disposable incomes? Statistics NZ report say about disposable incomes? Annual Statistics NZ report say about disposable incomes? Annual average disposable incomes? Annual average household disposable incomes? Annual average household equalised disposable incomes? Annual average household equalised disposable household equalised disposable income, household equalised disposable income, that household equalised disposable income, that being household equalised disposable income, that being after household equalised disposable income, that being after tax household equalised disposable income, that being after tax and income, that being after tax and transfer income, that being after tax and transfer payments, income, that being after tax and transfer payments, increased income, that being after tax and transfer payments, increased from transfer payments, increased from $46,016 transfer payments, increased from $46,016 to transfer payments, increased from $46,016 to $48,196. transfer payments, increased from $46,016 to $48,196. That's transfer payments, increased from $46,016 to $48,196. That's an $46,016 to $48,196. That's an increase $46,016 to $48,196. That's an increase of $46,016 to $48,196. That's an increase of 4.7%. $46,016 to $48,196. That's an increase of 4.7%. What $46,016 to $48,196. That's an increase of 4.7%. What does $46,016 to $48,196. That's an increase of 4.7%. What does the increase of 4.7%. What does the Statistics increase of 4.7%. What does the Statistics NZ increase of 4.7%. What does the Statistics NZ report increase of 4.7%. What does the Statistics NZ report show increase of 4.7%. What does the Statistics NZ report show about Statistics NZ report show about poverty Statistics NZ report show about poverty rates? Statistics NZ report show about poverty rates? Well, Statistics NZ report show about poverty rates? Well, Mr Statistics NZ report show about poverty rates? Well, Mr Speaker, Statistics NZ report show about poverty rates? Well, Mr Speaker, the poverty rates? Well, Mr Speaker, the figures poverty rates? Well, Mr Speaker, the figures include poverty rates? Well, Mr Speaker, the figures include poverty poverty rates? Well, Mr Speaker, the figures include poverty rates poverty rates? Well, Mr Speaker, the figures include poverty rates for figures include poverty rates for the figures include poverty rates for the overall figures include poverty rates for the overall population figures include poverty rates for the overall population and figures include poverty rates for the overall population and show figures include poverty rates for the overall population and show a the overall population and show a significant the overall population and show a significant reduction the overall population and show a significant reduction in the overall population and show a significant reduction in material significant reduction in material hardship. significant reduction in material hardship. Three significant reduction in material hardship. Three of significant reduction in material hardship. Three of the significant reduction in material hardship. Three of the poverty hardship. Three of the poverty measures hardship. Three of the poverty measures related hardship. Three of the poverty measures related to hardship. Three of the poverty measures related to material measures related to material hardship measures related to material hardship declined measures related to material hardship declined from measures related to material hardship declined from 2018/19 measures related to material hardship declined from 2018/19 to hardship declined from 2018/19 to 2019/20. hardship declined from 2018/19 to 2019/20. The hardship declined from 2018/19 to 2019/20. The measures hardship declined from 2018/19 to 2019/20. The measures that hardship declined from 2018/19 to 2019/20. The measures that the 2019/20. The measures that the Government 2019/20. The measures that the Government uses 2019/20. The measures that the Government uses to 2019/20. The measures that the Government uses to judge 2019/20. The measures that the Government uses to judge itself 2019/20. The measures that the Government uses to judge itself on, Government uses to judge itself on, for Government uses to judge itself on, for example, Government uses to judge itself on, for example, child Government uses to judge itself on, for example, child poverty, Government uses to judge itself on, for example, child poverty, are for example, child poverty, are relative for example, child poverty, are relative measures, for example, child poverty, are relative measures, so for example, child poverty, are relative measures, so when for example, child poverty, are relative measures, so when we for example, child poverty, are relative measures, so when we do for example, child poverty, are relative measures, so when we do see relative measures, so when we do see increasing relative measures, so when we do see increasing median relative measures, so when we do see increasing median incomes, relative measures, so when we do see increasing median incomes, this relative measures, so when we do see increasing median incomes, this puts increasing median incomes, this puts pressure increasing median incomes, this puts pressure on increasing median incomes, this puts pressure on those increasing median incomes, this puts pressure on those indicators increasing median incomes, this puts pressure on those indicators for pressure on those indicators for poverty. pressure on those indicators for poverty. Mr pressure on those indicators for poverty. Mr Speaker, pressure on those indicators for poverty. Mr Speaker, while pressure on those indicators for poverty. Mr Speaker, while the poverty. Mr Speaker, while the figures poverty. Mr Speaker, while the figures overall poverty. Mr Speaker, while the figures overall in poverty. Mr Speaker, while the figures overall in this poverty. Mr Speaker, while the figures overall in this report poverty. Mr Speaker, while the figures overall in this report are figures overall in this report are encouraging, figures overall in this report are encouraging, they figures overall in this report are encouraging, they do figures overall in this report are encouraging, they do show figures overall in this report are encouraging, they do show that figures overall in this report are encouraging, they do show that more encouraging, they do show that more work encouraging, they do show that more work is encouraging, they do show that more work is required, encouraging, they do show that more work is required, particularly encouraging, they do show that more work is required, particularly in work is required, particularly in the work is required, particularly in the area work is required, particularly in the area of work is required, particularly in the area of housing work is required, particularly in the area of housing and work is required, particularly in the area of housing and to work is required, particularly in the area of housing and to support the area of housing and to support our the area of housing and to support our lowest the area of housing and to support our lowest income the area of housing and to support our lowest income New the area of housing and to support our lowest income New Zealanders. our lowest income New Zealanders. The our lowest income New Zealanders. The Government our lowest income New Zealanders. The Government is our lowest income New Zealanders. The Government is committed our lowest income New Zealanders. The Government is committed to our lowest income New Zealanders. The Government is committed to this The Government is committed to this work The Government is committed to this work and The Government is committed to this work and to The Government is committed to this work and to building The Government is committed to this work and to building on The Government is committed to this work and to building on initiative work and to building on initiative that work and to building on initiative that is work and to building on initiative that is we work and to building on initiative that is we have work and to building on initiative that is we have already work and to building on initiative that is we have already undertaken that is we have already undertaken to that is we have already undertaken to support that is we have already undertaken to support our that is we have already undertaken to support our most that is we have already undertaken to support our most vulnerable, to support our most vulnerable, including to support our most vulnerable, including raising to support our most vulnerable, including raising main to support our most vulnerable, including raising main benefits to support our most vulnerable, including raising main benefits by including raising main benefits by $25 including raising main benefits by $25 per including raising main benefits by $25 per week including raising main benefits by $25 per week and including raising main benefits by $25 per week and indexing including raising main benefits by $25 per week and indexing benefits $25 per week and indexing benefits in $25 per week and indexing benefits in the $25 per week and indexing benefits in the growth $25 per week and indexing benefits in the growth to $25 per week and indexing benefits in the growth to the $25 per week and indexing benefits in the growth to the average $25 per week and indexing benefits in the growth to the average wage. in the growth to the average wage. 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Including our decision to pass legislation yesterday to cement you legislation yesterday to cement you a legislation yesterday to cement you a new legislation yesterday to cement you a new resurgence legislation yesterday to cement you a new resurgence payment legislation yesterday to cement you a new resurgence payment for legislation yesterday to cement you a new resurgence payment for that, a new resurgence payment for that, and a new resurgence payment for that, and I a new resurgence payment for that, and I appreciate a new resurgence payment for that, and I appreciate the a new resurgence payment for that, and I appreciate the support a new resurgence payment for that, and I appreciate the support given and I appreciate the support given across and I appreciate the support given across this and I appreciate the support given across this hours and I appreciate the support given across this hours for and I appreciate the support given across this hours for that across this hours for that initiative across this hours for that initiative -- across this hours for that initiative -- House across this hours for that initiative -- House for across this hours for that initiative -- House for that initiative -- House for that initiative. initiative -- House for that initiative. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for Minister for Oceans Minister for Oceans and Minister for Oceans and Fisheries: Minister for Oceans and Fisheries: Does Minister for Oceans and Fisheries: Does he Oceans and Fisheries: Does he believe Oceans and Fisheries: Does he believe that Oceans and Fisheries: Does he believe that allowing Oceans and Fisheries: Does he believe that allowing bottom believe that allowing bottom trawling believe that allowing bottom trawling on believe that allowing bottom trawling on seamounts, believe that allowing bottom trawling on seamounts, deep believe that allowing bottom trawling on seamounts, deep sea trawling on seamounts, deep sea corals, trawling on seamounts, deep sea corals, and trawling on seamounts, deep sea corals, and other trawling on seamounts, deep sea corals, and other vulnerable trawling on seamounts, deep sea corals, and other vulnerable marine corals, and other vulnerable marine ecosystems corals, and other vulnerable marine ecosystems is corals, and other vulnerable marine ecosystems is consistent corals, and other vulnerable marine ecosystems is consistent with corals, and other vulnerable marine ecosystems is consistent with the ecosystems is consistent with the 2006 ecosystems is consistent with the 2006 United ecosystems is consistent with the 2006 United Nations ecosystems is consistent with the 2006 United Nations Resolution 2006 United Nations Resolution 61/105, 2006 United Nations Resolution 61/105, which 2006 United Nations Resolution 61/105, which calls 2006 United Nations Resolution 61/105, which calls on 2006 United Nations Resolution 61/105, which calls on States, 2006 United Nations Resolution 61/105, which calls on States, "to 61/105, which calls on States, "to take 61/105, which calls on States, "to take action 61/105, which calls on States, "to take action immediately 61/105, which calls on States, "to take action immediately to 61/105, which calls on States, "to take action immediately to protect take action immediately to protect vulnerable take action immediately to protect vulnerable marine take action immediately to protect vulnerable marine ecosystems take action immediately to protect vulnerable marine ecosystems from vulnerable marine ecosystems from destructive vulnerable marine ecosystems from destructive fishing vulnerable marine ecosystems from destructive fishing practices"; vulnerable marine ecosystems from destructive fishing practices"; If destructive fishing practices"; If so, destructive fishing practices"; If so, why? 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Will the Government consider following Chile's 2015 consider following Chile's 2015 example consider following Chile's 2015 example of consider following Chile's 2015 example of banning consider following Chile's 2015 example of banning bottom consider following Chile's 2015 example of banning bottom trawling example of banning bottom trawling on example of banning bottom trawling on all example of banning bottom trawling on all 117 example of banning bottom trawling on all 117 sea example of banning bottom trawling on all 117 sea mounts example of banning bottom trawling on all 117 sea mounts in example of banning bottom trawling on all 117 sea mounts in its on all 117 sea mounts in its jurisdiction, on all 117 sea mounts in its jurisdiction, and on all 117 sea mounts in its jurisdiction, and Chile's on all 117 sea mounts in its jurisdiction, and Chile's 2017 jurisdiction, and Chile's 2017 example jurisdiction, and Chile's 2017 example of jurisdiction, and Chile's 2017 example of banning jurisdiction, and Chile's 2017 example of banning bottom jurisdiction, and Chile's 2017 example of banning bottom trawling example of banning bottom trawling in example of banning bottom trawling in 98% example of banning bottom trawling in 98% of example of banning bottom trawling in 98% of its example of banning bottom trawling in 98% of its Exclusive example of banning bottom trawling in 98% of its Exclusive Economic in 98% of its Exclusive Economic Zone? in 98% of its Exclusive Economic Zone? 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More than a third of New Zealand waters have some context to this. 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Does the Minister agree with the Minister for Supplementary. 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Why did the ministry of primary industries not Supplementary. 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(SPEAKS (SPEAKS TE (SPEAKS TE REO (SPEAKS TE REO MAORI) My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: What My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: What changes My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: What changes have COVID-19 Response: What changes have been COVID-19 Response: What changes have been made COVID-19 Response: What changes have been made as COVID-19 Response: What changes have been made as a COVID-19 Response: What changes have been made as a result COVID-19 Response: What changes have been made as a result of COVID-19 Response: What changes have been made as a result of what COVID-19 Response: What changes have been made as a result of what has been made as a result of what has been been made as a result of what has been learned been made as a result of what has been learned from been made as a result of what has been learned from recent been made as a result of what has been learned from recent cases been learned from recent cases associated been learned from recent cases associated with been learned from recent cases associated with the been learned from recent cases associated with the Pullman been learned from recent cases associated with the Pullman Hotel associated with the Pullman Hotel managed associated with the Pullman Hotel managed isolation associated with the Pullman Hotel managed isolation facility? 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This followed an intensive deep cleaning process, a thorough deep cleaning process, a thorough investigation deep cleaning process, a thorough investigation by deep cleaning process, a thorough investigation by public deep cleaning process, a thorough investigation by public health investigation by public health officials investigation by public health officials and investigation by public health officials and some investigation by public health officials and some changes investigation by public health officials and some changes to investigation by public health officials and some changes to the officials and some changes to the way officials and some changes to the way that officials and some changes to the way that the officials and some changes to the way that the Pullman officials and some changes to the way that the Pullman facility officials and some changes to the way that the Pullman facility will way that the Pullman facility will operate way that the Pullman facility will operate in way that the Pullman facility will operate in the way that the Pullman facility will operate in the future, way that the Pullman facility will operate in the future, which operate in the future, which includes operate in the future, which includes the operate in the future, which includes the way operate in the future, which includes the way that operate in the future, which includes the way that the operate in the future, which includes the way that the Pullman's includes the way that the Pullman's corridor includes the way that the Pullman's corridor ventilation includes the way that the Pullman's corridor ventilation system corridor ventilation system operates. corridor ventilation system operates. 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Returnees will be advised to close all their windows and to close all their windows and trickle to close all their windows and trickle vents to close all their windows and trickle vents in to close all their windows and trickle vents in their to close all their windows and trickle vents in their rooms to close all their windows and trickle vents in their rooms before trickle vents in their rooms before they trickle vents in their rooms before they open trickle vents in their rooms before they open their trickle vents in their rooms before they open their door trickle vents in their rooms before they open their door to trickle vents in their rooms before they open their door to limit trickle vents in their rooms before they open their door to limit the they open their door to limit the risk they open their door to limit the risk of they open their door to limit the risk of COVID-19 they open their door to limit the risk of COVID-19 making they open their door to limit the risk of COVID-19 making it they open their door to limit the risk of COVID-19 making it out they open their door to limit the risk of COVID-19 making it out to risk of COVID-19 making it out to the risk of COVID-19 making it out to the public risk of COVID-19 making it out to the public spaces. risk of COVID-19 making it out to the public spaces. 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