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Budget 2021 will reflect the economic 2021 will reflect the economic conditions 2021 will reflect the economic conditions and 2021 will reflect the economic conditions and revenue 2021 will reflect the economic conditions and revenue situation 2021 will reflect the economic conditions and revenue situation and conditions and revenue situation and take conditions and revenue situation and take a conditions and revenue situation and take a balanced conditions and revenue situation and take a balanced approach conditions and revenue situation and take a balanced approach that take a balanced approach that continues take a balanced approach that continues to take a balanced approach that continues to emphasise take a balanced approach that continues to emphasise spending take a balanced approach that continues to emphasise spending to continues to emphasise spending to areas continues to emphasise spending to areas and continues to emphasise spending to areas and people continues to emphasise spending to areas and people where continues to emphasise spending to areas and people where it continues to emphasise spending to areas and people where it is continues to emphasise spending to areas and people where it is needed areas and people where it is needed most, areas and people where it is needed most, alongside areas and people where it is needed most, alongside careful areas and people where it is needed most, alongside careful fiscal most, alongside careful fiscal management. most, alongside careful fiscal management. 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Tertiary Education Commission data Tertiary Education Commission data for Tertiary Education Commission data for enrolments Tertiary Education Commission data for enrolments in Tertiary Education Commission data for enrolments in tertiary Tertiary Education Commission data for enrolments in tertiary and for enrolments in tertiary and vocational for enrolments in tertiary and vocational study, for enrolments in tertiary and vocational study, as for enrolments in tertiary and vocational study, as at for enrolments in tertiary and vocational study, as at December, vocational study, as at December, show vocational study, as at December, show the vocational study, as at December, show the number vocational study, as at December, show the number of vocational study, as at December, show the number of apprentices show the number of apprentices increased show the number of apprentices increased by show the number of apprentices increased by 17.6% show the number of apprentices increased by 17.6% compared show the number of apprentices increased by 17.6% compared to increased by 17.6% compared to December increased by 17.6% compared to December 2019. increased by 17.6% compared to December 2019. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: My question is to the Minister of Education: Does My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by all My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by all his Education: Does he stand by all his policies Education: Does he stand by all his policies and Education: Does he stand by all his policies and actions Education: Does he stand by all his policies and actions in Education: Does he stand by all his policies and actions in education? Yes. Yes. How Yes. How can Yes. How can he Yes. How can he stand Yes. How can he stand by Yes. How can he stand by those Yes. How can he stand by those actions Yes. How can he stand by those actions and Yes. How can he stand by those actions and policies Yes. How can he stand by those actions and policies when Yes. How can he stand by those actions and policies when there Yes. How can he stand by those actions and policies when there are actions and policies when there are only actions and policies when there are only around actions and policies when there are only around 60% actions and policies when there are only around 60% of actions and policies when there are only around 60% of kids actions and policies when there are only around 60% of kids attending only around 60% of kids attending school only around 60% of kids attending school regularly? only around 60% of kids attending school regularly? I only around 60% of kids attending school regularly? I stand only around 60% of kids attending school regularly? I stand by only around 60% of kids attending school regularly? I stand by them school regularly? 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We did inherit opportunities that they deserve. We did inherit a opportunities that they deserve. We did inherit a downward opportunities that they deserve. We did inherit a downward trend opportunities that they deserve. We did inherit a downward trend in did inherit a downward trend in student did inherit a downward trend in student attendance. did inherit a downward trend in student attendance. COVID-19 did inherit a downward trend in student attendance. COVID-19 last student attendance. COVID-19 last year, student attendance. COVID-19 last year, 2020, student attendance. COVID-19 last year, 2020, did student attendance. COVID-19 last year, 2020, did exacerbate student attendance. COVID-19 last year, 2020, did exacerbate that. year, 2020, did exacerbate that. What year, 2020, did exacerbate that. What we year, 2020, did exacerbate that. What we saw, year, 2020, did exacerbate that. What we saw, the year, 2020, did exacerbate that. 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Families were taken heed of the Government's were taken heed of the Government's request were taken heed of the Government's request to were taken heed of the Government's request to keep were taken heed of the Government's request to keep their were taken heed of the Government's request to keep their kids were taken heed of the Government's request to keep their kids home were taken heed of the Government's request to keep their kids home if request to keep their kids home if they request to keep their kids home if they were request to keep their kids home if they were sick. request to keep their kids home if they were sick. Is request to keep their kids home if they were sick. Is he request to keep their kids home if they were sick. Is he suggesting they were sick. Is he suggesting that they were sick. Is he suggesting that the they were sick. Is he suggesting that the low they were sick. Is he suggesting that the low levels they were sick. Is he suggesting that the low levels of they were sick. Is he suggesting that the low levels of school that the low levels of school attendance that the low levels of school attendance is that the low levels of school attendance is not that the low levels of school attendance is not an that the low levels of school attendance is not an issue that the low levels of school attendance is not an issue that that the low levels of school attendance is not an issue that his attendance is not an issue that his Government attendance is not an issue that his Government should attendance is not an issue that his Government should be attendance is not an issue that his Government should be absolutely Government should be absolutely focused Government should be absolutely focused on? Government should be absolutely focused on? No. Government should be absolutely focused on? No. Absolutely Government should be absolutely focused on? No. Absolutely not. Government should be absolutely focused on? No. Absolutely not. In focused on? No. Absolutely not. In fact, focused on? No. Absolutely not. In fact, we focused on? No. Absolutely not. In fact, we think focused on? No. Absolutely not. In fact, we think we focused on? No. Absolutely not. In fact, we think we can focused on? No. Absolutely not. In fact, we think we can do fact, we think we can do significantly fact, we think we can do significantly better. fact, we think we can do significantly better. We're significantly better. We're committed significantly better. We're committed to significantly better. We're committed to doing significantly better. We're committed to doing that. significantly better. We're committed to doing that. Why significantly better. We're committed to doing that. Why he significantly better. We're committed to doing that. Why he has committed to doing that. Why he has prioritised committed to doing that. Why he has prioritised waiving committed to doing that. Why he has prioritised waiving exam committed to doing that. Why he has prioritised waiving exam fees committed to doing that. Why he has prioritised waiving exam fees for prioritised waiving exam fees for wealthy prioritised waiving exam fees for wealthy families prioritised waiving exam fees for wealthy families over prioritised waiving exam fees for wealthy families over resourcing wealthy families over resourcing workers wealthy families over resourcing workers knock wealthy families over resourcing workers knock on wealthy families over resourcing workers knock on doors wealthy families over resourcing workers knock on doors and wealthy families over resourcing workers knock on doors and make wealthy families over resourcing workers knock on doors and make sure workers knock on doors and make sure kids workers knock on doors and make sure kids missing workers knock on doors and make sure kids missing out workers knock on doors and make sure kids missing out on workers knock on doors and make sure kids missing out on their workers knock on doors and make sure kids missing out on their education kids missing out on their education get kids missing out on their education get to kids missing out on their education get to school? kids missing out on their education get to school? Mr kids missing out on their education get to school? Mr Speaker, kids missing out on their education get to school? Mr Speaker, I kids missing out on their education get to school? Mr Speaker, I think get to school? Mr Speaker, I think the get to school? Mr Speaker, I think the member's get to school? Mr Speaker, I think the member's question get to school? Mr Speaker, I think the member's question probably the member's question probably indicates the member's question probably indicates why the member's question probably indicates why the the member's question probably indicates why the last the member's question probably indicates why the last National indicates why the last National Government indicates why the last National Government started indicates why the last National Government started the indicates why the last National Government started the downward Government started the downward trend. Government started the downward trend. Socioeconomics Government started the downward trend. Socioeconomics does Government started the downward trend. Socioeconomics does play Government started the downward trend. Socioeconomics does play a trend. Socioeconomics does play a significant trend. Socioeconomics does play a significant role trend. Socioeconomics does play a significant role in trend. Socioeconomics does play a significant role in student significant role in student attendance. significant role in student attendance. And significant role in student attendance. And in significant role in student attendance. And in areas significant role in student attendance. And in areas where significant role in student attendance. And in areas where we attendance. And in areas where we have attendance. And in areas where we have put attendance. And in areas where we have put extra attendance. And in areas where we have put extra funding attendance. And in areas where we have put extra funding - attendance. And in areas where we have put extra funding - removing have put extra funding - removing fees have put extra funding - removing fees for have put extra funding - removing fees for NCE. have put extra funding - removing fees for NCE. A, have put extra funding - removing fees for NCE. A, providing have put extra funding - removing fees for NCE. A, providing food have put extra funding - removing fees for NCE. A, providing food if fees for NCE. A, providing food if school, fees for NCE. A, providing food if school, we fees for NCE. A, providing food if school, we have fees for NCE. A, providing food if school, we have seen fees for NCE. A, providing food if school, we have seen attendance school, we have seen attendance improve. school, we have seen attendance improve. Socioeconomics school, we have seen attendance improve. Socioeconomics plays school, we have seen attendance improve. Socioeconomics plays a school, we have seen attendance improve. Socioeconomics plays a role improve. 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Why, then, is he prioritising free fees at he prioritising free fees at university he prioritising free fees at university for he prioritising free fees at university for wealthy he prioritising free fees at university for wealthy families, university for wealthy families, while university for wealthy families, while we university for wealthy families, while we simply university for wealthy families, while we simply don't university for wealthy families, while we simply don't have university for wealthy families, while we simply don't have the while we simply don't have the people while we simply don't have the people to while we simply don't have the people to knock while we simply don't have the people to knock on while we simply don't have the people to knock on the while we simply don't have the people to knock on the doors while we simply don't have the people to knock on the doors to people to knock on the doors to ensure people to knock on the doors to ensure that people to knock on the doors to ensure that kids people to knock on the doors to ensure that kids who people to knock on the doors to ensure that kids who are people to knock on the doors to ensure that kids who are missing people to knock on the doors to ensure that kids who are missing out ensure that kids who are missing out on ensure that kids who are missing out on their ensure that kids who are missing out on their education ensure that kids who are missing out on their education get ensure that kids who are missing out on their education get to ensure that kids who are missing out on their education get to school? ensure that kids who are missing out on their education get to school? I on their education get to school? I think on their education get to school? I think the on their education get to school? I think the member's on their education get to school? I think the member's clearly on their education get to school? I think the member's clearly lost think the member's clearly lost sight think the member's clearly lost sight of think the member's clearly lost sight of the think the member's clearly lost sight of the aspiration think the member's clearly lost sight of the aspiration the think the member's clearly lost sight of the aspiration the National sight of the aspiration the National Party sight of the aspiration the National Party used sight of the aspiration the National Party used to sight of the aspiration the National Party used to stand sight of the aspiration the National Party used to stand for. sight of the aspiration the National Party used to stand for. Many sight of the aspiration the National Party used to stand for. Many of Party used to stand for. Many of those Party used to stand for. Many of those kids Party used to stand for. Many of those kids in Party used to stand for. Many of those kids in school Party used to stand for. Many of those kids in school aspire Party used to stand for. Many of those kids in school aspire to Party used to stand for. Many of those kids in school aspire to go Party used to stand for. Many of those kids in school aspire to go to those kids in school aspire to go to university. those kids in school aspire to go to university. That's those kids in school aspire to go to university. That's right! INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Greeting INTERPRETER: Greeting minister. 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I have been working and will I have been working and will continue I have been working and will continue to I have been working and will continue to work I have been working and will continue to work for I have been working and will continue to work for the I have been working and will continue to work for the ministry I have been working and will continue to work for the ministry to continue to work for the ministry to ensure continue to work for the ministry to ensure the continue to work for the ministry to ensure the funding continue to work for the ministry to ensure the funding reaches continue to work for the ministry to ensure the funding reaches people ensure the funding reaches people and ensure the funding reaches people and organisations ensure the funding reaches people and organisations and ensure the funding reaches people and organisations and provides ensure the funding reaches people and organisations and provides the and organisations and provides the short-term and organisations and provides the short-term relief and organisations and provides the short-term relief and and organisations and provides the short-term relief and longer and organisations and provides the short-term relief and longer term short-term relief and longer term support short-term relief and longer term support that short-term relief and longer term support that the short-term relief and longer term support that the sector short-term relief and longer term support that the sector needs short-term relief and longer term support that the sector needs to support that the sector needs to survive, support that the sector needs to survive, adapt support that the sector needs to survive, adapt and support that the sector needs to survive, adapt and thrive. survive, adapt and thrive. INTERPRETER: survive, adapt and thrive. INTERPRETER: Supplementary. survive, adapt and thrive. INTERPRETER: Supplementary. I'm INTERPRETER: Supplementary. I'm pleased INTERPRETER: Supplementary. I'm pleased to INTERPRETER: Supplementary. I'm pleased to advice INTERPRETER: Supplementary. I'm pleased to advice that INTERPRETER: Supplementary. I'm pleased to advice that the INTERPRETER: Supplementary. 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The COVID-19 has to be about getting the balance right. The Government COVID-19 has to be about getting the balance right. The Government has balance right. The Government has used balance right. The Government has used its balance right. The Government has used its strong balance right. The Government has used its strong balance balance right. The Government has used its strong balance sheet balance right. 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