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The for early learning teachers. The Minister for early learning teachers. The Minister announced for early learning teachers. The Minister announced today for early learning teachers. The Minister announced today that for early learning teachers. The Minister announced today that budget Minister announced today that budget 2021 Minister announced today that budget 2021 will Minister announced today that budget 2021 will see Minister announced today that budget 2021 will see funding Minister announced today that budget 2021 will see funding of Minister announced today that budget 2021 will see funding of 170 Minister announced today that budget 2021 will see funding of 170 million 2021 will see funding of 170 million over 2021 will see funding of 170 million over four 2021 will see funding of 170 million over four years 2021 will see funding of 170 million over four years to 2021 will see funding of 170 million over four years to help 2021 will see funding of 170 million over four years to help deliver 2021 will see funding of 170 million over four years to help deliver pay over four years to help deliver pay parity. over four years to help deliver pay parity. This over four years to help deliver pay parity. This builds over four years to help deliver pay parity. This builds on over four years to help deliver pay parity. This builds on the over four years to help deliver pay parity. This builds on the 150.1 parity. This builds on the 150.1 million parity. This builds on the 150.1 million provided parity. This builds on the 150.1 million provided for parity. This builds on the 150.1 million provided for improving million provided for improving teacher million provided for improving teacher pay million provided for improving teacher pay in million provided for improving teacher pay in Budget million provided for improving teacher pay in Budget 2020. million provided for improving teacher pay in Budget 2020. This million provided for improving teacher pay in Budget 2020. This was teacher pay in Budget 2020. This was a teacher pay in Budget 2020. This was a certified teacher pay in Budget 2020. This was a certified teachers teacher pay in Budget 2020. 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So what I am asking hikama to this House, asking hikama to this House, <SPEAKS asking hikama to this House, <SPEAKS TE asking hikama to this House, <SPEAKS TE REO asking hikama to this House, <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Is <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Is we <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Is we find <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Is we find this <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Is we find this attitude <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Is we find this attitude acceptable Is we find this attitude acceptable in Is we find this attitude acceptable in this Is we find this attitude acceptable in this House, Is we find this attitude acceptable in this House, the Is we find this attitude acceptable in this House, the constant Is we find this attitude acceptable in this House, the constant barrage in this House, the constant barrage of in this House, the constant barrage of insults in this House, the constant barrage of insults to in this House, the constant barrage of insults to tangata in this House, the constant barrage of insults to tangata whenua, in this House, the constant barrage of insults to tangata whenua, then in this House, the constant barrage of insults to tangata whenua, then I of insults to tangata whenua, then I find of insults to tangata whenua, then I find this of insults to tangata whenua, then I find this House of insults to tangata whenua, then I find this House in of insults to tangata whenua, then I find this House in disrepute... of insults to tangata whenua, then I find this House in disrepute... . find this House in disrepute... . 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The member will now leave the Chamber. Order. The member will now leave the Chamber. <INTERRUPTION> The The Hon The Hon Judith The Hon Judith Collins. The Hon Judith Collins. Mr The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, to The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, to the The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, to the PM The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, to the PM - The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, to the PM - is The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, to the PM - is it The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, to the PM - is it her The Hon Judith Collins. 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Mr Government is now stating? Mr Speaker, Government is now stating? Mr Speaker, I Government is now stating? Mr Speaker, I absolutely Government is now stating? Mr Speaker, I absolutely stand Government is now stating? Mr Speaker, I absolutely stand by Government is now stating? 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And, partnership in the way that we are reforming the health system. And, Mr reforming the health system. And, Mr Speaker, reforming the health system. And, Mr Speaker, there reforming the health system. And, Mr Speaker, there has reforming the health system. And, Mr Speaker, there has been reforming the health system. And, Mr Speaker, there has been sentiment Speaker, there has been sentiment from Speaker, there has been sentiment from the Speaker, there has been sentiment from the National Speaker, there has been sentiment from the National Party Speaker, there has been sentiment from the National Party when Speaker, there has been sentiment from the National Party when they from the National Party when they were from the National Party when they were in from the National Party when they were in Government from the National Party when they were in Government that from the National Party when they were in Government that suggested were in Government that suggested they were in Government that suggested they view were in Government that suggested they view these were in Government that suggested they view these matters were in Government that suggested they view these matters the were in Government that suggested they view these matters the same they view these matters the same way. they view these matters the same way. I they view these matters the same way. I note they view these matters the same way. I note that they view these matters the same way. I note that the they view these matters the same way. I note that the document they view these matters the same way. I note that the document that way. I note that the document that was way. I note that the document that was part way. I note that the document that was part of way. I note that the document that was part of the way. I note that the document that was part of the Maori way. I note that the document that was part of the Maori Health was part of the Maori Health Strategy was part of the Maori Health Strategy released was part of the Maori Health Strategy released under was part of the Maori Health Strategy released under the was part of the Maori Health Strategy released under the last Strategy released under the last National Strategy released under the last National Government Strategy released under the last National Government states Strategy released under the last National Government states enabling National Government states enabling whanau, National Government states enabling whanau, hapu, National Government states enabling whanau, hapu, iwi National Government states enabling whanau, hapu, iwi and National Government states enabling whanau, hapu, iwi and Maori National Government states enabling whanau, hapu, iwi and Maori to whanau, hapu, iwi and Maori to exercise whanau, hapu, iwi and Maori to exercise control whanau, hapu, iwi and Maori to exercise control over whanau, hapu, iwi and Maori to exercise control over their whanau, hapu, iwi and Maori to exercise control over their own exercise control over their own health exercise control over their own health and exercise control over their own health and wellbeing exercise control over their own health and wellbeing as exercise control over their own health and wellbeing as well exercise control over their own health and wellbeing as well as exercise control over their own health and wellbeing as well as the health and wellbeing as well as the direction health and wellbeing as well as the direction and health and wellbeing as well as the direction and shape health and wellbeing as well as the direction and shape of health and wellbeing as well as the direction and shape of their health and wellbeing as well as the direction and shape of their own direction and shape of their own institutions, direction and shape of their own institutions, communities direction and shape of their own institutions, communities and institutions, communities and development institutions, communities and development as institutions, communities and development as a institutions, communities and development as a people institutions, communities and development as a people is institutions, communities and development as a people is a institutions, communities and development as a people is a key development as a people is a key thread development as a people is a key thread of development as a people is a key thread of Hikorowai development as a people is a key thread of Hikorowai Oranga. development as a people is a key thread of Hikorowai Oranga. We development as a people is a key thread of Hikorowai Oranga. We as development as a people is a key thread of Hikorowai Oranga. We as a thread of Hikorowai Oranga. We as a nation thread of Hikorowai Oranga. We as a nation have thread of Hikorowai Oranga. We as a nation have been thread of Hikorowai Oranga. We as a nation have been making thread of Hikorowai Oranga. We as a nation have been making progress. nation have been making progress. There nation have been making progress. There is nation have been making progress. There is a nation have been making progress. There is a lot nation have been making progress. There is a lot of nation have been making progress. There is a lot of work nation have been making progress. There is a lot of work to nation have been making progress. There is a lot of work to be nation have been making progress. There is a lot of work to be done. nation have been making progress. There is a lot of work to be done. I There is a lot of work to be done. 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I would encourage the National Party would encourage the National Party to would encourage the National Party to return would encourage the National Party to return to would encourage the National Party to return to the would encourage the National Party to return to the position would encourage the National Party to return to the position they would encourage the National Party to return to the position they once to return to the position they once held to return to the position they once held of to return to the position they once held of the to return to the position they once held of the idea to return to the position they once held of the idea of to return to the position they once held of the idea of partnership held of the idea of partnership because held of the idea of partnership because I held of the idea of partnership because I see held of the idea of partnership because I see this held of the idea of partnership because I see this as held of the idea of partnership because I see this as a held of the idea of partnership because I see this as a lead held of the idea of partnership because I see this as a lead from because I see this as a lead from the because I see this as a lead from the Leader because I see this as a lead from the Leader of because I see this as a lead from the Leader of the because I see this as a lead from the Leader of the Opposition because I see this as a lead from the Leader of the Opposition that because I see this as a lead from the Leader of the Opposition that is the Leader of the Opposition that is fundamentally the Leader of the Opposition that is fundamentally taking the Leader of the Opposition that is fundamentally taking us the Leader of the Opposition that is fundamentally taking us backwards. fundamentally taking us backwards. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order. <INTERRUPTION> Order. 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And that honouring the treaty reflect the treaty? And that honouring the treaty requires reflect the treaty? And that honouring the treaty requires a honouring the treaty requires a rebalancing honouring the treaty requires a rebalancing of honouring the treaty requires a rebalancing of the honouring the treaty requires a rebalancing of the Crown honouring the treaty requires a rebalancing of the Crown and honouring the treaty requires a rebalancing of the Crown and Maori rebalancing of the Crown and Maori spheres rebalancing of the Crown and Maori spheres of rebalancing of the Crown and Maori spheres of governance? rebalancing of the Crown and Maori spheres of governance? Mr rebalancing of the Crown and Maori spheres of governance? Mr Speaker, rebalancing of the Crown and Maori spheres rebalancing of the Crown and Maori again, rebalancing of the Crown and Maori again, a demonstration that rebalancing of the Crown and Maori again, a demonstration that this rebalancing of the Crown and Maori again, a demonstration that this was again, a demonstration that this was a again, a demonstration that this was a report, again, a demonstration that this was a report, a again, a demonstration that this was a report, a group again, a demonstration that this was a report, a group that again, a demonstration that this was a report, a group that we again, a demonstration that this was a report, a group that we brought a report, a group that we brought together a report, a group that we brought together to a report, a group that we brought together to provide a report, a group that we brought together to provide us a report, a group that we brought together to provide us with a report, a group that we brought together to provide us with their together to provide us with their ideas, together to provide us with their ideas, advice together to provide us with their ideas, advice and together to provide us with their ideas, advice and views. together to provide us with their ideas, advice and views. 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Question No. 2. Tena Tena koe, Tena koe, Mr Tena koe, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Infrastructure: for Infrastructure: What for Infrastructure: What recent for Infrastructure: What recent reports for Infrastructure: What recent reports has What recent reports has he What recent reports has he seen What recent reports has he seen on What recent reports has he seen on infrastructure? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, securing Mr Speaker, securing the Mr Speaker, securing the economic Mr Speaker, securing the economic recovery Mr Speaker, securing the economic recovery in Mr Speaker, securing the economic recovery in New Mr Speaker, securing the economic recovery in New Zealand Mr Speaker, securing the economic recovery in New Zealand has Mr Speaker, securing the economic recovery in New Zealand has been recovery in New Zealand has been supported recovery in New Zealand has been supported by recovery in New Zealand has been supported by the recovery in New Zealand has been supported by the Government's supported by the Government's commitment supported by the Government's commitment to supported by the Government's commitment to building commitment to building infrastructure commitment to building infrastructure for commitment to building infrastructure for the commitment to building infrastructure for the betterment commitment to building infrastructure for the betterment of infrastructure for the betterment of New infrastructure for the betterment of New Zealanders' infrastructure for the betterment of New Zealanders' life. infrastructure for the betterment of New Zealanders' life. Today, infrastructure for the betterment of New Zealanders' life. Today, the New Zealanders' life. Today, the infrastructure New Zealanders' life. Today, the infrastructure Commission New Zealanders' life. Today, the infrastructure Commission has infrastructure Commission has released infrastructure Commission has released its infrastructure Commission has released its consultation infrastructure Commission has released its consultation document, released its consultation document, Infrastructure released its consultation document, Infrastructure for released its consultation document, Infrastructure for a released its consultation document, Infrastructure for a Better released its consultation document, Infrastructure for a Better Future. Infrastructure for a Better Future. This Infrastructure for a Better Future. This is Infrastructure for a Better Future. This is the Infrastructure for a Better Future. This is the legislated Infrastructure for a Better Future. This is the legislated requirement This is the legislated requirement that This is the legislated requirement that the This is the legislated requirement that the Government This is the legislated requirement that the Government created This is the legislated requirement that the Government created last that the Government created last term that the Government created last term for that the Government created last term for the that the Government created last term for the infrastructure term for the infrastructure Commission term for the infrastructure Commission to term for the infrastructure Commission to help term for the infrastructure Commission to help our Commission to help our infrastructure Commission to help our infrastructure needs Commission to help our infrastructure needs T Commission to help our infrastructure needs T Government Commission to help our infrastructure needs T Government is infrastructure needs T Government is committed infrastructure needs T Government is committed to infrastructure needs T Government is committed to tackling infrastructure needs T Government is committed to tackling the infrastructure needs T Government is committed to tackling the long infrastructure needs T Government is committed to tackling the long term committed to tackling the long term challenges committed to tackling the long term challenges facing committed to tackling the long term challenges facing New committed to tackling the long term challenges facing New Zealand committed to tackling the long term challenges facing New Zealand and challenges facing New Zealand and laying challenges facing New Zealand and laying the challenges facing New Zealand and laying the foundations challenges facing New Zealand and laying the foundations for challenges facing New Zealand and laying the foundations for a laying the foundations for a prosperous laying the foundations for a prosperous future. laying the foundations for a prosperous future. Why laying the foundations for a prosperous future. Why is laying the foundations for a prosperous future. Why is an prosperous future. Why is an infrastructure prosperous future. Why is an infrastructure strategy prosperous future. Why is an infrastructure strategy required? prosperous future. Why is an infrastructure strategy required? Mr infrastructure strategy required? Mr Speaker, infrastructure strategy required? Mr Speaker, there infrastructure strategy required? Mr Speaker, there are infrastructure strategy required? Mr Speaker, there are lots infrastructure strategy required? Mr Speaker, there are lots of Speaker, there are lots of organisations Speaker, there are lots of organisations who Speaker, there are lots of organisations who plan Speaker, there are lots of organisations who plan and Speaker, there are lots of organisations who plan and deliver organisations who plan and deliver infrastructure organisations who plan and deliver infrastructure whether organisations who plan and deliver infrastructure whether it's organisations who plan and deliver infrastructure whether it's roads, infrastructure whether it's roads, powerlines infrastructure whether it's roads, powerlines or infrastructure whether it's roads, powerlines or hospitals, infrastructure whether it's roads, powerlines or hospitals, but infrastructure whether it's roads, powerlines or hospitals, but there powerlines or hospitals, but there is powerlines or hospitals, but there is no powerlines or hospitals, but there is no one powerlines or hospitals, but there is no one organisation powerlines or hospitals, but there is no one organisation that powerlines or hospitals, but there is no one organisation that looks is no one organisation that looks across is no one organisation that looks across all is no one organisation that looks across all sectors is no one organisation that looks across all sectors at is no one organisation that looks across all sectors at our is no one organisation that looks across all sectors at our needs is no one organisation that looks across all sectors at our needs and across all sectors at our needs and the across all sectors at our needs and the issues across all sectors at our needs and the issues that across all sectors at our needs and the issues that we across all sectors at our needs and the issues that we face. across all sectors at our needs and the issues that we face. What across all sectors at our needs and the issues that we face. What the the issues that we face. What the consultation the issues that we face. What the consultation document the issues that we face. What the consultation document highlights the issues that we face. What the consultation document highlights is consultation document highlights is the consultation document highlights is the scale consultation document highlights is the scale of consultation document highlights is the scale of New consultation document highlights is the scale of New Zealand's the scale of New Zealand's infrastructure the scale of New Zealand's infrastructure deficit the scale of New Zealand's infrastructure deficit that the scale of New Zealand's infrastructure deficit that has the scale of New Zealand's infrastructure deficit that has been infrastructure deficit that has been built infrastructure deficit that has been built up infrastructure deficit that has been built up over infrastructure deficit that has been built up over many infrastructure deficit that has been built up over many decades. infrastructure deficit that has been built up over many decades. This built up over many decades. This Government built up over many decades. This Government has built up over many decades. This Government has committed built up over many decades. This Government has committed $49.8 Government has committed $49.8 billion Government has committed $49.8 billion in Government has committed $49.8 billion in infrastructure, Government has committed $49.8 billion in infrastructure, but Government has committed $49.8 billion in infrastructure, but even billion in infrastructure, but even with billion in infrastructure, but even with that, billion in infrastructure, but even with that, we billion in infrastructure, but even with that, we recognise billion in infrastructure, but even with that, we recognise that billion in infrastructure, but even with that, we recognise that there with that, we recognise that there is with that, we recognise that there is more with that, we recognise that there is more to with that, we recognise that there is more to do with that, we recognise that there is more to do and with that, we recognise that there is more to do and it with that, we recognise that there is more to do and it must with that, we recognise that there is more to do and it must include with that, we recognise that there is more to do and it must include a is more to do and it must include a more is more to do and it must include a more strategic is more to do and it must include a more strategic approach. is more to do and it must include a more strategic approach. The more strategic approach. The strategy more strategic approach. The strategy will more strategic approach. The strategy will help more strategic approach. The strategy will help identify more strategic approach. The strategy will help identify what more strategic approach. The strategy will help identify what is strategy will help identify what is holding strategy will help identify what is holding us strategy will help identify what is holding us back strategy will help identify what is holding us back and strategy will help identify what is holding us back and look strategy will help identify what is holding us back and look at strategy will help identify what is holding us back and look at the holding us back and look at the system holding us back and look at the system that holding us back and look at the system that leads holding us back and look at the system that leads to holding us back and look at the system that leads to the system that leads to the infrastructure system that leads to the infrastructure we system that leads to the infrastructure we need system that leads to the infrastructure we need to system that leads to the infrastructure we need to build system that leads to the infrastructure we need to build a infrastructure we need to build a better infrastructure we need to build a better New infrastructure we need to build a better New Zealand infrastructure we need to build a better New Zealand for infrastructure we need to build a better New Zealand for everyone. better New Zealand for everyone. Supplementary. better New Zealand for everyone. Supplementary. What better New Zealand for everyone. Supplementary. What is better New Zealand for everyone. Supplementary. What is the better New Zealand for everyone. Supplementary. What is the process Supplementary. What is the process for Supplementary. What is the process for the Supplementary. What is the process for the finalisation Supplementary. What is the process for the finalisation of Supplementary. What is the process for the finalisation of the for the finalisation of the infrastructure for the finalisation of the infrastructure strategy? for the finalisation of the infrastructure strategy? Mr for the finalisation of the infrastructure strategy? Mr Speaker, infrastructure strategy? Mr Speaker, decisions infrastructure strategy? Mr Speaker, decisions we infrastructure strategy? Mr Speaker, decisions we make infrastructure strategy? Mr Speaker, decisions we make about infrastructure strategy? Mr Speaker, decisions we make about our decisions we make about our infrastructure decisions we make about our infrastructure can decisions we make about our infrastructure can affect decisions we make about our infrastructure can affect us decisions we make about our infrastructure can affect us for infrastructure can affect us for decades infrastructure can affect us for decades or infrastructure can affect us for decades or even infrastructure can affect us for decades or even centuries. infrastructure can affect us for decades or even centuries. Some infrastructure can affect us for decades or even centuries. Some of decades or even centuries. Some of the decades or even centuries. Some of the problems decades or even centuries. Some of the problems we decades or even centuries. Some of the problems we have decades or even centuries. Some of the problems we have now, decades or even centuries. Some of the problems we have now, such decades or even centuries. Some of the problems we have now, such as the problems we have now, such as difficulties the problems we have now, such as difficulties with the problems we have now, such as difficulties with water the problems we have now, such as difficulties with water pipes the problems we have now, such as difficulties with water pipes around difficulties with water pipes around cities difficulties with water pipes around cities such difficulties with water pipes around cities such as difficulties with water pipes around cities such as Wellington, cities such as Wellington, congestion cities such as Wellington, congestion in cities such as Wellington, congestion in our cities such as Wellington, congestion in our cities cities such as Wellington, congestion in our cities or congestion in our cities or unaffordable congestion in our cities or unaffordable homes congestion in our cities or unaffordable homes are congestion in our cities or unaffordable homes are the congestion in our cities or unaffordable homes are the result congestion in our cities or unaffordable homes are the result of unaffordable homes are the result of decisions unaffordable homes are the result of decisions made unaffordable homes are the result of decisions made in unaffordable homes are the result of decisions made in the unaffordable homes are the result of decisions made in the past. unaffordable homes are the result of decisions made in the past. The decisions made in the past. The document decisions made in the past. The document is decisions made in the past. The document is a decisions made in the past. The document is a step decisions made in the past. The document is a step towards decisions made in the past. The document is a step towards a decisions made in the past. The document is a step towards a better document is a step towards a better future. document is a step towards a better future. It document is a step towards a better future. It sets document is a step towards a better future. It sets out document is a step towards a better future. It sets out the document is a step towards a better future. It sets out the challenges future. It sets out the challenges we're future. It sets out the challenges we're facing future. It sets out the challenges we're facing and future. It sets out the challenges we're facing and proposes future. It sets out the challenges we're facing and proposes solutions. we're facing and proposes solutions. It we're facing and proposes solutions. It is we're facing and proposes solutions. It is now we're facing and proposes solutions. It is now asking we're facing and proposes solutions. It is now asking New we're facing and proposes solutions. It is now asking New Zealanders we're facing and proposes solutions. 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Question infrastructure will be developed and published in September. Question No. published in September. Question No. 3. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Housing My question is to the Associate Minister of Housing (Public Minister of Housing (Public Housing): Housing): Is Housing): Is she Housing): Is she aware Housing): Is she aware that Housing): Is she aware that nearly Housing): Is she aware that nearly all Is she aware that nearly all commercial Is she aware that nearly all commercial lease Is she aware that nearly all commercial lease agreements Is she aware that nearly all commercial lease agreements include commercial lease agreements include transparent commercial lease agreements include transparent criteria commercial lease agreements include transparent criteria for commercial lease agreements include transparent criteria for rent transparent criteria for rent reviews; transparent criteria for rent reviews; if transparent criteria for rent reviews; if so, transparent criteria for rent reviews; if so, will transparent criteria for rent reviews; if so, will she transparent criteria for rent reviews; if so, will she consider reviews; if so, will she consider requiring reviews; if so, will she consider requiring residential reviews; if so, will she consider requiring residential tenancy requiring residential tenancy agreements requiring residential tenancy agreements to requiring residential tenancy agreements to include requiring residential tenancy agreements to include agreed agreements to include agreed criteria agreements to include agreed criteria for agreements to include agreed criteria for rent agreements to include agreed criteria for rent increases? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, while Mr Speaker, while I Mr Speaker, while I have Mr Speaker, while I have no Mr Speaker, while I have no responsibility Mr Speaker, while I have no responsibility for Mr Speaker, while I have no responsibility for commercial Mr Speaker, while I have no responsibility for commercial leases responsibility for commercial leases which responsibility for commercial leases which sit responsibility for commercial leases which sit under responsibility for commercial leases which sit under the responsibility for commercial leases which sit under the Justice which sit under the Justice portfolio, which sit under the Justice portfolio, I which sit under the Justice portfolio, I am which sit under the Justice portfolio, I am advised which sit under the Justice portfolio, I am advised that which sit under the Justice portfolio, I am advised that there portfolio, I am advised that there is portfolio, I am advised that there is nothing portfolio, I am advised that there is nothing in portfolio, I am advised that there is nothing in law portfolio, I am advised that there is nothing in law requiring portfolio, I am advised that there is nothing in law requiring the portfolio, I am advised that there is nothing in law requiring the rent is nothing in law requiring the rent increase is nothing in law requiring the rent increase criteria is nothing in law requiring the rent increase criteria and is nothing in law requiring the rent increase criteria and commercial increase criteria and commercial leases increase criteria and commercial leases the increase criteria and commercial leases the member increase criteria and commercial leases the member has increase criteria and commercial leases the member has asked increase criteria and commercial leases the member has asked about. leases the member has asked about. Rather leases the member has asked about. Rather these leases the member has asked about. Rather these are leases the member has asked about. Rather these are often leases the member has asked about. Rather these are often negotiated leases the member has asked about. Rather these are often negotiated as Rather these are often negotiated as Rather these are often negotiated as Rather these are often negotiated as part of Rather these are often negotiated as part of a Rather these are often negotiated as part of a commercial Rather these are often negotiated as part of a commercial rent Rather these are often negotiated as part of a commercial rent agreement part of a commercial rent agreement that part of a commercial rent agreement that typically part of a commercial rent agreement that typically covers part of a commercial rent agreement that typically covers a part of a commercial rent agreement that typically covers a much part of a commercial rent agreement that typically covers a much longer that typically covers a much longer period that typically covers a much longer period than that typically covers a much longer period than a that typically covers a much longer period than a residential that typically covers a much longer period than a residential rent period than a residential rent agreement, period than a residential rent agreement, usually period than a residential rent agreement, usually five period than a residential rent agreement, usually five to period than a residential rent agreement, usually five to 10 period than a residential rent agreement, usually five to 10 years. agreement, usually five to 10 years. This agreement, usually five to 10 years. This Government agreement, usually five to 10 years. This Government has agreement, usually five to 10 years. This Government has already agreement, usually five to 10 years. This Government has already made This Government has already made changes This Government has already made changes to This Government has already made changes to encourage This Government has already made changes to encourage longer This Government has already made changes to encourage longer term changes to encourage longer term residential changes to encourage longer term residential represent changes to encourage longer term residential represent agreements residential represent agreements including residential represent agreements including removing residential represent agreements including removing no residential represent agreements including removing no course including removing no course terminations, including removing no course terminations, limiting including removing no course terminations, limiting rent terminations, limiting rent increases terminations, limiting rent increases to terminations, limiting rent increases to once terminations, limiting rent increases to once a terminations, limiting rent increases to once a year. terminations, limiting rent increases to once a year. We terminations, limiting rent increases to once a year. We know terminations, limiting rent increases to once a year. We know if increases to once a year. We know if rental increases to once a year. We know if rental agreements increases to once a year. We know if rental agreements can increases to once a year. We know if rental agreements can be increases to once a year. We know if rental agreements can be agreed increases to once a year. We know if rental agreements can be agreed over rental agreements can be agreed over a rental agreements can be agreed over a longer rental agreements can be agreed over a longer term, rental agreements can be agreed over a longer term, it rental agreements can be agreed over a longer term, it is rental agreements can be agreed over a longer term, it is more rental agreements can be agreed over a longer term, it is more likely a longer term, it is more likely that a longer term, it is more likely that these a longer term, it is more likely that these types a longer term, it is more likely that these types of a longer term, it is more likely that these types of agreements a longer term, it is more likely that these types of agreements would that these types of agreements would be that these types of agreements would be made that these types of agreements would be made between that these types of agreements would be made between landlords that these types of agreements would be made between landlords and be made between landlords and tenants be made between landlords and tenants if be made between landlords and tenants if they be made between landlords and tenants if they so be made between landlords and tenants if they so wish. be made between landlords and tenants if they so wish. Do be made between landlords and tenants if they so wish. Do any be made between landlords and tenants if they so wish. Do any of tenants if they so wish. Do any of the tenants if they so wish. Do any of the things tenants if they so wish. Do any of the things that tenants if they so wish. Do any of the things that the tenants if they so wish. Do any of the things that the Minister tenants if they so wish. Do any of the things that the Minister has the things that the Minister has just the things that the Minister has just listed the things that the Minister has just listed actually the things that the Minister has just listed actually limit the things that the Minister has just listed actually limit the just listed actually limit the amount just listed actually limit the amount that just listed actually limit the amount that landlords just listed actually limit the amount that landlords can just listed actually limit the amount that landlords can raise amount that landlords can raise rents amount that landlords can raise rents by amount that landlords can raise rents by or amount that landlords can raise rents by or give amount that landlords can raise rents by or give representers amount that landlords can raise rents by or give representers any rents by or give representers any certainty rents by or give representers any certainty -- rents by or give representers any certainty -- renters rents by or give representers any certainty -- renters any rents by or give representers any certainty -- renters any certainty certainty -- renters any certainty what certainty -- renters any certainty what their certainty -- renters any certainty what their rent certainty -- renters any certainty what their rent will certainty -- renters any certainty what their rent will be certainty -- renters any certainty what their rent will be next certainty -- renters any certainty what their rent will be next year? what their rent will be next year? Mr what their rent will be next year? Mr Speaker, what their rent will be next year? Mr Speaker, what what their rent will be next year? Mr Speaker, what I what their rent will be next year? Mr Speaker, what I can what their rent will be next year? Mr Speaker, what I can say what their rent will be next year? Mr Speaker, what I can say is what their rent will be next year? 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All I can speak is our aspiration All I can speak is our aspiration for All I can speak is our aspiration for renters All I can speak is our aspiration for renters in All I can speak is our aspiration for renters in New All I can speak is our aspiration for renters in New Zealand All I can speak is our aspiration for renters in New Zealand to All I can speak is our aspiration for renters in New Zealand to be All I can speak is our aspiration for renters in New Zealand to be in for renters in New Zealand to be in homes for renters in New Zealand to be in homes that for renters in New Zealand to be in homes that are for renters in New Zealand to be in homes that are warm, for renters in New Zealand to be in homes that are warm, dry for renters in New Zealand to be in homes that are warm, dry and homes that are warm, dry and affordable. homes that are warm, dry and affordable. And homes that are warm, dry and affordable. And what homes that are warm, dry and affordable. And what I homes that are warm, dry and affordable. And what I can homes that are warm, dry and affordable. And what I can speak homes that are warm, dry and affordable. And what I can speak to affordable. And what I can speak to also affordable. And what I can speak to also is affordable. And what I can speak to also is our affordable. And what I can speak to also is our programme affordable. And what I can speak to also is our programme to affordable. And what I can speak to also is our programme to support also is our programme to support renters also is our programme to support renters to also is our programme to support renters to have also is our programme to support renters to have much also is our programme to support renters to have much more also is our programme to support renters to have much more ability also is our programme to support renters to have much more ability to renters to have much more ability to deal renters to have much more ability to deal with renters to have much more ability to deal with the renters to have much more ability to deal with the issues renters to have much more ability to deal with the issues that renters to have much more ability to deal with the issues that - renters to have much more ability to deal with the issues that - that deal with the issues that - that confront deal with the issues that - that confront them deal with the issues that - that confront them and deal with the issues that - that confront them and to deal with the issues that - that confront them and to be deal with the issues that - that confront them and to be able deal with the issues that - that confront them and to be able to deal with the issues that - that confront them and to be able to deal confront them and to be able to deal with confront them and to be able to deal with them confront them and to be able to deal with them in confront them and to be able to deal with them in a confront them and to be able to deal with them in a way confront them and to be able to deal with them in a way that confront them and to be able to deal with them in a way that gives confront them and to be able to deal with them in a way that gives them with them in a way that gives them certainty with them in a way that gives them certainty and with them in a way that gives them certainty and power. with them in a way that gives them certainty and power. If with them in a way that gives them certainty and power. If a with them in a way that gives them certainty and power. If a tenant certainty and power. If a tenant thinks certainty and power. If a tenant thinks their certainty and power. If a tenant thinks their rent certainty and power. If a tenant thinks their rent is certainty and power. If a tenant thinks their rent is too certainty and power. If a tenant thinks their rent is too expensive thinks their rent is too expensive and thinks their rent is too expensive and not thinks their rent is too expensive and not in thinks their rent is too expensive and not in line thinks their rent is too expensive and not in line with thinks their rent is too expensive and not in line with the thinks their rent is too expensive and not in line with the market, and not in line with the market, they and not in line with the market, they have and not in line with the market, they have the and not in line with the market, they have the opportunity and not in line with the market, they have the opportunity of and not in line with the market, they have the opportunity of going they have the opportunity of going to they have the opportunity of going to the they have the opportunity of going to the Tenancy they have the opportunity of going to the Tenancy Tribunal. they have the opportunity of going to the Tenancy Tribunal. Does they have the opportunity of going to the Tenancy Tribunal. Does the to the Tenancy Tribunal. Does the Government's to the Tenancy Tribunal. Does the Government's current to the Tenancy Tribunal. Does the Government's current practice to the Tenancy Tribunal. Does the Government's current practice of Government's current practice of collecting Government's current practice of collecting rent Government's current practice of collecting rent data Government's current practice of collecting rent data when Government's current practice of collecting rent data when bonds Government's current practice of collecting rent data when bonds are collecting rent data when bonds are lodged collecting rent data when bonds are lodged for collecting rent data when bonds are lodged for new collecting rent data when bonds are lodged for new tenancies collecting rent data when bonds are lodged for new tenancies but collecting rent data when bonds are lodged for new tenancies but not lodged for new tenancies but not when lodged for new tenancies but not when landlords lodged for new tenancies but not when landlords increase lodged for new tenancies but not when landlords increase rents lodged for new tenancies but not when landlords increase rents during when landlords increase rents during the when landlords increase rents during the course when landlords increase rents during the course of when landlords increase rents during the course of the when landlords increase rents during the course of the tenancy when landlords increase rents during the course of the tenancy provide when landlords increase rents during the course of the tenancy provide an the course of the tenancy provide an accurate the course of the tenancy provide an accurate picture the course of the tenancy provide an accurate picture of the course of the tenancy provide an accurate picture of whether the course of the tenancy provide an accurate picture of whether rent accurate picture of whether rent increases accurate picture of whether rent increases are accurate picture of whether rent increases are fair accurate picture of whether rent increases are fair and accurate picture of whether rent increases are fair and affordable? increases are fair and affordable? Mr increases are fair and affordable? Mr Speaker, increases are fair and affordable? Mr Speaker, my increases are fair and affordable? Mr Speaker, my view increases are fair and affordable? Mr Speaker, my view is increases are fair and affordable? Mr Speaker, my view is that increases are fair and affordable? Mr Speaker, my view is that the Mr Speaker, my view is that the information Mr Speaker, my view is that the information that Mr Speaker, my view is that the information that HUD Mr Speaker, my view is that the information that HUD uses, Mr Speaker, my view is that the information that HUD uses, which Mr Speaker, my view is that the information that HUD uses, which is information that HUD uses, which is stats information that HUD uses, which is stats New information that HUD uses, which is stats New Zealand information that HUD uses, which is stats New Zealand price information that HUD uses, which is stats New Zealand price index, information that HUD uses, which is stats New Zealand price index, is information that HUD uses, which is stats New Zealand price index, is a stats New Zealand price index, is a much stats New Zealand price index, is a much more stats New Zealand price index, is a much more accurate stats New Zealand price index, is a much more accurate and stats New Zealand price index, is a much more accurate and complete stats New Zealand price index, is a much more accurate and complete view much more accurate and complete view of much more accurate and complete view of rent much more accurate and complete view of rent changes much more accurate and complete view of rent changes and much more accurate and complete view of rent changes and prices. much more accurate and complete view of rent changes and prices. Will much more accurate and complete view of rent changes and prices. Will the of rent changes and prices. Will the Government of rent changes and prices. Will the Government consider of rent changes and prices. Will the Government consider restricting of rent changes and prices. Will the Government consider restricting rent Government consider restricting rent increases Government consider restricting rent increases to Government consider restricting rent increases to match Government consider restricting rent increases to match the Government consider restricting rent increases to match the restrictions increases to match the restrictions on increases to match the restrictions on wage increases to match the restrictions on wage increases increases to match the restrictions on wage increases for increases to match the restrictions on wage increases for nurses, on wage increases for nurses, teachers on wage increases for nurses, teachers and on wage increases for nurses, teachers and social on wage increases for nurses, teachers and social workers? on wage increases for nurses, teachers and social workers? Mr teachers and social workers? Mr Speaker, teachers and social workers? Mr Speaker, what teachers and social workers? Mr Speaker, what the teachers and social workers? Mr Speaker, what the Government teachers and social workers? Mr Speaker, what the Government will Speaker, what the Government will consider Speaker, what the Government will consider is Speaker, what the Government will consider is continuing Speaker, what the Government will consider is continuing the Speaker, what the Government will consider is continuing the work Speaker, what the Government will consider is continuing the work we consider is continuing the work we are consider is continuing the work we are doing consider is continuing the work we are doing to consider is continuing the work we are doing to ensure consider is continuing the work we are doing to ensure that consider is continuing the work we are doing to ensure that we consider is continuing the work we are doing to ensure that we improve are doing to ensure that we improve the are doing to ensure that we improve the security are doing to ensure that we improve the security and are doing to ensure that we improve the security and rights are doing to ensure that we improve the security and rights of are doing to ensure that we improve the security and rights of renters the security and rights of renters and the security and rights of renters and tenants the security and rights of renters and tenants by the security and rights of renters and tenants by limiting the security and rights of renters and tenants by limiting rent and tenants by limiting rent increases and tenants by limiting rent increases to and tenants by limiting rent increases to once and tenants by limiting rent increases to once a and tenants by limiting rent increases to once a year and tenants by limiting rent increases to once a year and and tenants by limiting rent increases to once a year and banning increases to once a year and banning rental increases to once a year and banning rental bidding. increases to once a year and banning rental bidding. Question increases to once a year and banning rental bidding. Question No. increases to once a year and banning rental bidding. Question No. 4. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: Education: What Education: What is Education: What is the Education: What is the Government Education: What is the Government doing What is the Government doing to What is the Government doing to address What is the Government doing to address wage What is the Government doing to address wage inequality What is the Government doing to address wage inequality amongst to address wage inequality amongst early to address wage inequality amongst early childhood to address wage inequality amongst early childhood education to address wage inequality amongst early childhood education teachers? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, today Mr Speaker, today I Mr Speaker, today I announced Mr Speaker, today I announced that Mr Speaker, today I announced that qualified Mr Speaker, today I announced that qualified and Mr Speaker, today I announced that qualified and registered Mr Speaker, today I announced that qualified and registered teachers Mr Speaker, today I announced that qualified and registered teachers on qualified and registered teachers on the qualified and registered teachers on the lowest qualified and registered teachers on the lowest pay qualified and registered teachers on the lowest pay and qualified and registered teachers on the lowest pay and early qualified and registered teachers on the lowest pay and early learning the lowest pay and early learning education the lowest pay and early learning education and the lowest pay and early learning education and care the lowest pay and early learning education and care services the lowest pay and early learning education and care services will education and care services will take education and care services will take another education and care services will take another leap education and care services will take another leap towards education and care services will take another leap towards pay education and care services will take another leap towards pay parity take another leap towards pay parity with take another leap towards pay parity with their take another leap towards pay parity with their equivalence take another leap towards pay parity with their equivalence in with their equivalence in kindergartens. with their equivalence in kindergartens. Pay with their equivalence in kindergartens. Pay parity with their equivalence in kindergartens. Pay parity for kindergartens. Pay parity for education kindergartens. Pay parity for education and kindergartens. Pay parity for education and care kindergartens. Pay parity for education and care teachers kindergartens. Pay parity for education and care teachers is kindergartens. Pay parity for education and care teachers is a education and care teachers is a manifesto education and care teachers is a manifesto commitment education and care teachers is a manifesto commitment for education and care teachers is a manifesto commitment for this manifesto commitment for this Government manifesto commitment for this Government and manifesto commitment for this Government and also manifesto commitment for this Government and also reflected manifesto commitment for this Government and also reflected in manifesto commitment for this Government and also reflected in the Government and also reflected in the early Government and also reflected in the early learning Government and also reflected in the early learning action Government and also reflected in the early learning action plan. Government and also reflected in the early learning action plan. It Government and also reflected in the early learning action plan. It will early learning action plan. It will address early learning action plan. It will address the early learning action plan. It will address the obvious early learning action plan. It will address the obvious gap early learning action plan. It will address the obvious gap that early learning action plan. It will address the obvious gap that has address the obvious gap that has emerged address the obvious gap that has emerged between address the obvious gap that has emerged between teachers address the obvious gap that has emerged between teachers and address the obvious gap that has emerged between teachers and early emerged between teachers and early education, emerged between teachers and early education, child emerged between teachers and early education, child care emerged between teachers and early education, child care centres emerged between teachers and early education, child care centres and education, child care centres and their education, child care centres and their equivalence education, child care centres and their equivalence in education, child care centres and their equivalence in kindergartens. their equivalence in kindergartens. We their equivalence in kindergartens. We started their equivalence in kindergartens. We started progress their equivalence in kindergartens. We started progress last their equivalence in kindergartens. We started progress last year their equivalence in kindergartens. We started progress last year by We started progress last year by lifting We started progress last year by lifting the We started progress last year by lifting the minimum We started progress last year by lifting the minimum levels We started progress last year by lifting the minimum levels of We started progress last year by lifting the minimum levels of pay lifting the minimum levels of pay and lifting the minimum levels of pay and we're lifting the minimum levels of pay and we're continuing lifting the minimum levels of pay and we're continuing to lifting the minimum levels of pay and we're continuing to work lifting the minimum levels of pay and we're continuing to work towards and we're continuing to work towards that and we're continuing to work towards that over and we're continuing to work towards that over this and we're continuing to work towards that over this term and we're continuing to work towards that over this term of and we're continuing to work towards that over this term of Government. that over this term of Government. Supplementary. that over this term of Government. Supplementary. Why that over this term of Government. Supplementary. Why is that over this term of Government. Supplementary. Why is it that over this term of Government. Supplementary. Why is it important Supplementary. Why is it important for Supplementary. Why is it important for the Supplementary. Why is it important for the Government Supplementary. Why is it important for the Government to Supplementary. Why is it important for the Government to address Supplementary. Why is it important for the Government to address early for the Government to address early childhood for the Government to address early childhood education for the Government to address early childhood education pay for the Government to address early childhood education pay parity? for the Government to address early childhood education pay parity? Mr childhood education pay parity? Mr Speaker, childhood education pay parity? Mr Speaker, the childhood education pay parity? Mr Speaker, the Government childhood education pay parity? Mr Speaker, the Government believes Speaker, the Government believes it's Speaker, the Government believes it's only Speaker, the Government believes it's only fair Speaker, the Government believes it's only fair that Speaker, the Government believes it's only fair that teachers Speaker, the Government believes it's only fair that teachers with it's only fair that teachers with the it's only fair that teachers with the same it's only fair that teachers with the same qualifications it's only fair that teachers with the same qualifications carrying it's only fair that teachers with the same qualifications carrying out the same qualifications carrying out the the same qualifications carrying out the same the same qualifications carrying out the same work the same qualifications carrying out the same work and the same qualifications carrying out the same work and with the same qualifications carrying out the same work and with equal the same qualifications carrying out the same work and with equal degrees the same work and with equal degrees of the same work and with equal degrees of experience the same work and with equal degrees of experience should the same work and with equal degrees of experience should be the same work and with equal degrees of experience should be paid the same work and with equal degrees of experience should be paid come of experience should be paid come parbly. of experience should be paid come parbly. That of experience should be paid come parbly. That has of experience should be paid come parbly. That has not of experience should be paid come parbly. That has not been of experience should be paid come parbly. That has not been the of experience should be paid come parbly. That has not been the case. parbly. That has not been the case. Over parbly. That has not been the case. Over the parbly. That has not been the case. Over the nine parbly. That has not been the case. Over the nine years parbly. That has not been the case. Over the nine years before parbly. That has not been the case. Over the nine years before the Over the nine years before the Government Over the nine years before the Government took Over the nine years before the Government took office, Over the nine years before the Government took office, the Over the nine years before the Government took office, the pay Government took office, the pay increases Government took office, the pay increases that Government took office, the pay increases that went Government took office, the pay increases that went to Government took office, the pay increases that went to kindergarten increases that went to kindergarten teachers increases that went to kindergarten teachers were increases that went to kindergarten teachers were not increases that went to kindergarten teachers were not past increases that went to kindergarten teachers were not past on increases that went to kindergarten teachers were not past on to teachers were not past on to teachers teachers were not past on to teachers working teachers were not past on to teachers working in teachers were not past on to teachers working in other teachers were not past on to teachers working in other forms teachers were not past on to teachers working in other forms of teachers working in other forms of early teachers working in other forms of early learning. teachers working in other forms of early learning. That teachers working in other forms of early learning. That has teachers working in other forms of early learning. That has created teachers working in other forms of early learning. That has created a early learning. That has created a significant early learning. That has created a significant wage early learning. That has created a significant wage gap early learning. That has created a significant wage gap in early learning. That has created a significant wage gap in that early learning. 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We're committed to lifting the income levels of those - those the income levels of those - those lower-paid the income levels of those - those lower-paid workers the income levels of those - those lower-paid workers whilst the income levels of those - those lower-paid workers whilst also lower-paid workers whilst also dealing lower-paid workers whilst also dealing with lower-paid workers whilst also dealing with significant lower-paid workers whilst also dealing with significant issues lower-paid workers whilst also dealing with significant issues like dealing with significant issues like pay dealing with significant issues like pay equity dealing with significant issues like pay equity and dealing with significant issues like pay equity and pay dealing with significant issues like pay equity and pay parity dealing with significant issues like pay equity and pay parity and pay equity and pay parity and today's pay equity and pay parity and today's announcement pay equity and pay parity and today's announcement is pay equity and pay parity and today's announcement is further today's announcement is further evidence today's announcement is further evidence of today's announcement is further evidence of that. today's announcement is further evidence of that. 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I theatres bring a total of eight. I announced theatres bring a total of eight. I announced the theatres bring a total of eight. I announced the Government's announced the Government's commitment announced the Government's commitment to announced the Government's commitment to see announced the Government's commitment to see out announced the Government's commitment to see out phase announced the Government's commitment to see out phase two announced the Government's commitment to see out phase two of commitment to see out phase two of the commitment to see out phase two of the Northland commitment to see out phase two of the Northland DHB commitment to see out phase two of the Northland DHB compliance commitment to see out phase two of the Northland DHB compliance stage commitment to see out phase two of the Northland DHB compliance stage 2 the Northland DHB compliance stage 2 project the Northland DHB compliance stage 2 project that the Northland DHB compliance stage 2 project that will the Northland DHB compliance stage 2 project that will address the Northland DHB compliance stage 2 project that will address the project that will address the shortage project that will address the project project that will address the shortage of inpatient project that will address the shortage of inpatient bed project that will address the shortage of inpatient bed capacity shortage of inpatient bed capacity and shortage of inpatient bed capacity and see shortage of inpatient bed capacity and see the shortage of inpatient bed capacity and see the accreditation shortage of inpatient bed capacity and see the accreditation of shortage of inpatient bed capacity and see the accreditation of the and see the accreditation of the laboratory. and see the accreditation of the laboratory. This and see the accreditation of the laboratory. This is and see the accreditation of the laboratory. This is a and see the accreditation of the laboratory. This is a significant laboratory. This is a significant investment laboratory. This is a significant investment to laboratory. This is a significant investment to Whangarei laboratory. This is a significant investment to Whangarei Hospital investment to Whangarei Hospital after investment to Whangarei Hospital after nine investment to Whangarei Hospital after nine long investment to Whangarei Hospital after nine long years investment to Whangarei Hospital after nine long years of after nine long years of underfunding. after nine long years of underfunding. Supplementary, after nine long years of underfunding. Supplementary, Mr underfunding. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. underfunding. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What underfunding. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What will underfunding. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What will these underfunding. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What will these new Speaker. What will these new facilities Speaker. What will these new facilities mean Speaker. What will these new facilities mean for Speaker. What will these new facilities mean for the Speaker. What will these new facilities mean for the people Speaker. What will these new facilities mean for the people of Speaker. What will these new facilities mean for the people of Te facilities mean for the people of Te Tai facilities mean for the people of Te Tai Tokerau. facilities mean for the people of Te Tai Tokerau. Mr facilities mean for the people of Te Tai Tokerau. Mr Speaker, Tai Tokerau. Mr Speaker, Northlanders Tai Tokerau. Mr Speaker, Northlanders will Tai Tokerau. Mr Speaker, Northlanders will no Tai Tokerau. Mr Speaker, Northlanders will no longer Northlanders will no longer necessarily Northlanders will no longer necessarily have Northlanders will no longer necessarily have to Northlanders will no longer necessarily have to go Northlanders will no longer necessarily have to go to Northlanders will no longer necessarily have to go to Auckland necessarily have to go to Auckland for necessarily have to go to Auckland for life-saving necessarily have to go to Auckland for life-saving heart necessarily have to go to Auckland for life-saving heart procedures for life-saving heart procedures like for life-saving heart procedures like angiograms for life-saving heart procedures like angiograms and for life-saving heart procedures like angiograms and insertion for life-saving heart procedures like angiograms and insertion of like angiograms and insertion of make-makers. like angiograms and insertion of make-makers. These like angiograms and insertion of make-makers. These new like angiograms and insertion of make-makers. These new facilities make-makers. These new facilities mean make-makers. These new facilities mean that make-makers. These new facilities mean that Northlanders make-makers. These new facilities mean that Northlanders can make-makers. These new facilities mean that Northlanders can be mean that Northlanders can be treated mean that Northlanders can be treated closer mean that Northlanders can be treated closer to mean that Northlanders can be treated closer to home mean that Northlanders can be treated closer to home and mean that Northlanders can be treated closer to home and closer mean that Northlanders can be treated closer to home and closer to treated closer to home and closer to whanau. treated closer to home and closer to whanau. This treated closer to home and closer to whanau. This will treated closer to home and closer to whanau. This will benefit treated closer to home and closer to whanau. This will benefit those whanau. This will benefit those 1,000 whanau. This will benefit those 1,000 people whanau. This will benefit those 1,000 people I whanau. This will benefit those 1,000 people I talked whanau. This will benefit those 1,000 people I talked about whanau. This will benefit those 1,000 people I talked about in whanau. This will benefit those 1,000 people I talked about in the 1,000 people I talked about in the answer 1,000 people I talked about in the answer to 1,000 people I talked about in the answer to the 1,000 people I talked about in the answer to the primary 1,000 people I talked about in the answer to the primary question, 1,000 people I talked about in the answer to the primary question, but answer to the primary question, but this answer to the primary question, but this will answer to the primary question, but this will also answer to the primary question, but this will also alleviate answer to the primary question, but this will also alleviate pressure answer to the primary question, but this will also alleviate pressure of this will also alleviate pressure of the this will also alleviate pressure of the three this will also alleviate pressure of the three Auckland this will also alleviate pressure of the three Auckland DHBs this will also alleviate pressure of the three Auckland DHBs to this will also alleviate pressure of the three Auckland DHBs to whom the three Auckland DHBs to whom those the three Auckland DHBs to whom those patients the three Auckland DHBs to whom those patients would the three Auckland DHBs to whom those patients would otherwise the three Auckland DHBs to whom those patients would otherwise be those patients would otherwise be referred. those patients would otherwise be referred. Supplementary, those patients would otherwise be referred. Supplementary, Mr those patients would otherwise be referred. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. referred. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What referred. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What other referred. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What other investments referred. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What other investments are referred. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What other investments are being What other investments are being made What other investments are being made for What other investments are being made for healthcare What other investments are being made for healthcare facilities What other investments are being made for healthcare facilities for made for healthcare facilities for people made for healthcare facilities for people living made for healthcare facilities for people living in made for healthcare facilities for people living in Te made for healthcare facilities for people living in Te Tai made for healthcare facilities for people living in Te Tai Tokerau? made for healthcare facilities for people living in Te Tai Tokerau? Mr people living in Te Tai Tokerau? Mr Speaker, people living in Te Tai Tokerau? Mr Speaker, other people living in Te Tai Tokerau? Mr Speaker, other projects people living in Te Tai Tokerau? Mr Speaker, other projects approved people living in Te Tai Tokerau? Mr Speaker, other projects approved for Speaker, other projects approved for this Speaker, other projects approved for this region Speaker, other projects approved for this region so Speaker, other projects approved for this region so far Speaker, other projects approved for this region so far include Speaker, other projects approved for this region so far include the Speaker, other projects approved for this region so far include the Bay this region so far include the Bay of this region so far include the Bay of Islands this region so far include the Bay of Islands Hospital this region so far include the Bay of Islands Hospital redevelopment, of Islands Hospital redevelopment, the of Islands Hospital redevelopment, the Kaitaia of Islands Hospital redevelopment, the Kaitaia Hospital of Islands Hospital redevelopment, the Kaitaia Hospital remediation, of Islands Hospital redevelopment, the Kaitaia Hospital remediation, a the Kaitaia Hospital remediation, a linear the Kaitaia Hospital remediation, a linear accelerated the Kaitaia Hospital remediation, a linear accelerated bunker the Kaitaia Hospital remediation, a linear accelerated bunker and linear accelerated bunker and equipment linear accelerated bunker and equipment to linear accelerated bunker and equipment to Whangarei linear accelerated bunker and equipment to Whangarei Hospital, linear accelerated bunker and equipment to Whangarei Hospital, and equipment to Whangarei Hospital, and buses equipment to Whangarei Hospital, and buses to equipment to Whangarei Hospital, and buses to provide equipment to Whangarei Hospital, and buses to provide mobile equipment to Whangarei Hospital, and buses to provide mobile surgical equipment to Whangarei Hospital, and buses to provide mobile surgical and buses to provide mobile surgical and other buses to provide mobile surgical and other services. buses to provide mobile surgical and other services. Question buses to provide mobile surgical and other services. Question No. buses to provide mobile surgical and other services. Question No. 7. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development My question is to the Minister for Social Development and My question is to the Minister for Social Development and Employment: Social Development and Employment: Does Social Development and Employment: Does she Social Development and Employment: Does she have Social Development and Employment: Does she have confidence Social Development and Employment: Does she have confidence that Social Development and Employment: Does she have confidence that every Does she have confidence that every single Does she have confidence that every single recipient Does she have confidence that every single recipient of Does she have confidence that every single recipient of the Does she have confidence that every single recipient of the Emergency single recipient of the Emergency Housing single recipient of the Emergency Housing Special single recipient of the Emergency Housing Special Needs single recipient of the Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant single recipient of the Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant is Housing Special Needs Grant is staying Housing Special Needs Grant is staying in Housing Special Needs Grant is staying in safe Housing Special Needs Grant is staying in safe and Housing Special Needs Grant is staying in safe and humane staying in safe and humane accommodation? Thank Thank you, Thank you, Mr Thank you, Mr Speaker. Thank you, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS Thank you, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS TE Thank you, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS TE REO Thank you, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Mr <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Mr Speaker, <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Mr Speaker, I'm <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Mr Speaker, I'm confident <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Mr Speaker, I'm confident that <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Mr Speaker, I'm confident that the Mr Speaker, I'm confident that the vast Mr Speaker, I'm confident that the vast majority Mr Speaker, I'm confident that the vast majority in Mr Speaker, I'm confident that the vast majority in receipt Mr Speaker, I'm confident that the vast majority in receipt of vast majority in receipt of Emergency vast majority in receipt of Emergency Housing vast majority in receipt of Emergency Housing Special vast majority in receipt of Emergency Housing Special Needs Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant are Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant are in Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant are in appropriate Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant are in appropriate and Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant are in appropriate and safe Grant are in appropriate and safe accommodation Grant are in appropriate and safe accommodation but Grant are in appropriate and safe accommodation but where Grant are in appropriate and safe accommodation but where people Grant are in appropriate and safe accommodation but where people feel accommodation but where people feel they accommodation but where people feel they aren't accommodation but where people feel they aren't safe, accommodation but where people feel they aren't safe, I accommodation but where people feel they aren't safe, I do accommodation but where people feel they aren't safe, I do encourage they aren't safe, I do encourage them they aren't safe, I do encourage them to they aren't safe, I do encourage them to contact they aren't safe, I do encourage them to contact the they aren't safe, I do encourage them to contact the Ministry they aren't safe, I do encourage them to contact the Ministry of them to contact the Ministry of Social them to contact the Ministry of Social Development. them to contact the Ministry of Social Development. Supplementary. Social Development. Supplementary. Is Social Development. Supplementary. Is the Social Development. Supplementary. Is the reason Social Development. Supplementary. Is the reason she Social Development. Supplementary. Is the reason she had Social Development. Supplementary. Is the reason she had to Social Development. Supplementary. Is the reason she had to tell Social Development. Supplementary. Is the reason she had to tell MSD Social Development. Supplementary. Is the reason she had to tell MSD in Is the reason she had to tell MSD in Rotorua Is the reason she had to tell MSD in Rotorua quote, Is the reason she had to tell MSD in Rotorua quote, "Let's Is the reason she had to tell MSD in Rotorua quote, "Let's stop Is the reason she had to tell MSD in Rotorua quote, "Let's stop using Is the reason she had to tell MSD in Rotorua quote, "Let's stop using all Rotorua quote, "Let's stop using all together", Rotorua quote, "Let's stop using all together", certain Rotorua quote, "Let's stop using all together", certain motels Rotorua quote, "Let's stop using all together", certain motels because together", certain motels because after together", certain motels because after four together", certain motels because after four years together", certain motels because after four years the together", certain motels because after four years the Minister together", certain motels because after four years the Minister has after four years the Minister has failed after four years the Minister has failed to after four years the Minister has failed to establish after four years the Minister has failed to establish any after four years the Minister has failed to establish any processes after four years the Minister has failed to establish any processes to failed to establish any processes to ensure failed to establish any processes to ensure motels failed to establish any processes to ensure motels are failed to establish any processes to ensure motels are suitable failed to establish any processes to ensure motels are suitable for ensure motels are suitable for people ensure motels are suitable for people to ensure motels are suitable for people to live ensure motels are suitable for people to live in? ensure motels are suitable for people to live in? Mr ensure motels are suitable for people to live in? Mr Speaker, ensure motels are suitable for people to live in? Mr Speaker, I people to live in? Mr Speaker, I just people to live in? Mr Speaker, I just want people to live in? Mr Speaker, I just want to people to live in? Mr Speaker, I just want to remind people to live in? Mr Speaker, I just want to remind that people to live in? Mr Speaker, I just want to remind that member people to live in? Mr Speaker, I just want to remind that member that just want to remind that member that the just want to remind that member that the Emergency just want to remind that member that the Emergency Housing just want to remind that member that the Emergency Housing Special just want to remind that member that the Emergency Housing Special Needs the Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant the Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant was the Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant was actually the Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant was actually established the Emergency Housing Special Needs Grant was actually established under Grant was actually established under the Grant was actually established under the previous Grant was actually established under the previous National Grant was actually established under the previous National Government Grant was actually established under the previous National Government in the previous National Government in response the previous National Government in response to the previous National Government in response to a the previous National Government in response to a homelessness the previous National Government in response to a homelessness programme response to a homelessness programme - response to a homelessness programme - problem response to a homelessness programme - problem that response to a homelessness programme - problem that had response to a homelessness programme - problem that had been response to a homelessness programme - problem that had been largely - problem that had been largely ignored. - problem that had been largely ignored. And - problem that had been largely ignored. And many - problem that had been largely ignored. And many of - problem that had been largely ignored. And many of the ignored. And many of the developments ignored. And many of the developments that ignored. And many of the developments that have ignored. And many of the developments that have taken ignored. And many of the developments that have taken place developments that have taken place since developments that have taken place since that developments that have taken place since that special... developments that have taken place since that special... . developments that have taken place since that special... . Order. developments that have taken place since that special... . Order. since that special... . Order. ..needs since that special... . Order. ..needs grant since that special... . Order. ..needs grant was since that special... . Order. ..needs grant was first since that special... . Order. ..needs grant was first established ..needs grant was first established have ..needs grant was first established have seen ..needs grant was first established have seen improvements ..needs grant was first established have seen improvements like ..needs grant was first established have seen improvements like a have seen improvements like a navigational have seen improvements like a navigational service, have seen improvements like a navigational service, to have seen improvements like a navigational service, to suppose navigational service, to suppose those navigational service, to suppose those in navigational service, to suppose those in emergency navigational service, to suppose those in emergency accommodation navigational service, to suppose those in emergency accommodation to those in emergency accommodation to access those in emergency accommodation to access other those in emergency accommodation to access other social those in emergency accommodation to access other social supports those in emergency accommodation to access other social supports they access other social supports they might access other social supports they might need. access other social supports they might need. Housing access other social supports they might need. Housing brokers access other social supports they might need. Housing brokers that access other social supports they might need. Housing brokers that we might need. Housing brokers that we put might need. Housing brokers that we put in might need. Housing brokers that we put in place might need. Housing brokers that we put in place that might need. Housing brokers that we put in place that weren't might need. Housing brokers that we put in place that weren't in might need. Housing brokers that we put in place that weren't in place put in place that weren't in place previously put in place that weren't in place previously to put in place that weren't in place previously to support put in place that weren't in place previously to support people put in place that weren't in place previously to support people to put in place that weren't in place previously to support people to be previously to support people to be able previously to support people to be able to previously to support people to be able to negotiate previously to support people to be able to negotiate other previously to support people to be able to negotiate other housing, previously to support people to be able to negotiate other housing, to able to negotiate other housing, to find able to negotiate other housing, to find other able to negotiate other housing, to find other housing able to negotiate other housing, to find other housing outside able to negotiate other housing, to find other housing outside of find other housing outside of emergency find other housing outside of emergency accommodation. find other housing outside of emergency accommodation. Mr find other housing outside of emergency accommodation. Mr Speaker, emergency accommodation. Mr Speaker, it emergency accommodation. Mr Speaker, it is emergency accommodation. Mr Speaker, it is not emergency accommodation. Mr Speaker, it is not ideal emergency accommodation. Mr Speaker, it is not ideal having emergency accommodation. Mr Speaker, it is not ideal having New emergency accommodation. Mr Speaker, it is not ideal having New Zealand it is not ideal having New Zealand families it is not ideal having New Zealand families in it is not ideal having New Zealand families in emergency it is not ideal having New Zealand families in emergency accommodation, families in emergency accommodation, but families in emergency accommodation, but it families in emergency accommodation, but it is families in emergency accommodation, but it is a families in emergency accommodation, but it is a failure families in emergency accommodation, but it is a failure of families in emergency accommodation, but it is a failure of previous but it is a failure of previous Governments but it is a failure of previous Governments to but it is a failure of previous Governments to invest but it is a failure of previous Governments to invest in but it is a failure of previous Governments to invest in housing Governments to invest in housing that Governments to invest in housing that has Governments to invest in housing that has led Governments to invest in housing that has led us Governments to invest in housing that has led us to Governments to invest in housing that has led us to the Governments to invest in housing that has led us to the situation. that has led us to the situation. (INTERJECTIONS) (INTERJECTIONS) Is (INTERJECTIONS) Is the (INTERJECTIONS) Is the reason (INTERJECTIONS) Is the reason a (INTERJECTIONS) Is the reason a mother (INTERJECTIONS) Is the reason a mother with (INTERJECTIONS) Is the reason a mother with four Is the reason a mother with four children Is the reason a mother with four children had Is the reason a mother with four children had to Is the reason a mother with four children had to stay Is the reason a mother with four children had to stay in Is the reason a mother with four children had to stay in a Is the reason a mother with four children had to stay in a motel Is the reason a mother with four children had to stay in a motel for children had to stay in a motel for eight children had to stay in a motel for eight months children had to stay in a motel for eight months surrounded children had to stay in a motel for eight months surrounded by children had to stay in a motel for eight months surrounded by gang eight months surrounded by gang members eight months surrounded by gang members and eight months surrounded by gang members and violence eight months surrounded by gang members and violence because eight months surrounded by gang members and violence because after members and violence because after four members and violence because after four years members and violence because after four years she members and violence because after four years she has members and violence because after four years she has failed members and violence because after four years she has failed to four years she has failed to establish four years she has failed to establish any four years she has failed to establish any process four years she has failed to establish any process that four years she has failed to establish any process that would establish any process that would tell establish any process that would tell MSD establish any process that would tell MSD who establish any process that would tell MSD who is establish any process that would tell MSD who is staying establish any process that would tell MSD who is staying where? establish any process that would tell MSD who is staying where? Mr tell MSD who is staying where? Mr Speaker, tell MSD who is staying where? Mr Speaker, the tell MSD who is staying where? Mr Speaker, the vast tell MSD who is staying where? Mr Speaker, the vast majority tell MSD who is staying where? Mr Speaker, the vast majority of tell MSD who is staying where? Mr Speaker, the vast majority of people Speaker, the vast majority of people who Speaker, the vast majority of people who are Speaker, the vast majority of people who are in Speaker, the vast majority of people who are in emergency Speaker, the vast majority of people who are in emergency accommodation who are in emergency accommodation that who are in emergency accommodation that - who are in emergency accommodation that - where who are in emergency accommodation that - where they who are in emergency accommodation that - where they receive who are in emergency accommodation that - where they receive an that - where they receive an emergency that - where they receive an emergency housing that - where they receive an emergency housing grant that - where they receive an emergency housing grant are that - where they receive an emergency housing grant are actually emergency housing grant are actually able emergency housing grant are actually able to emergency housing grant are actually able to move emergency housing grant are actually able to move out emergency housing grant are actually able to move out of emergency housing grant are actually able to move out of that emergency housing grant are actually able to move out of that emergency able to move out of that emergency housing able to move out of that emergency housing within able to move out of that emergency housing within six able to move out of that emergency housing within six months. able to move out of that emergency housing within six months. There able to move out of that emergency housing within six months. There are housing within six months. There are others housing within six months. There are others that housing within six months. There are others that have housing within six months. There are others that have more housing within six months. There are others that have more complex housing within six months. There are others that have more complex issues others that have more complex issues that others that have more complex issues that make others that have more complex issues that make it others that have more complex issues that make it harder others that have more complex issues that make it harder to others that have more complex issues that make it harder to be others that have more complex issues that make it harder to be able others that have more complex issues that make it harder to be able to that make it harder to be able to put that make it harder to be able to put them that make it harder to be able to put them in that make it harder to be able to put them in more that make it harder to be able to put them in more secure that make it harder to be able to put them in more secure housing. put them in more secure housing. What put them in more secure housing. What I put them in more secure housing. What I do put them in more secure housing. What I do acknowledge put them in more secure housing. What I do acknowledge is put them in more secure housing. What I do acknowledge is that put them in more secure housing. What I do acknowledge is that in What I do acknowledge is that in some What I do acknowledge is that in some instances What I do acknowledge is that in some instances people What I do acknowledge is that in some instances people have What I do acknowledge is that in some instances people have come some instances people have come forward some instances people have come forward and some instances people have come forward and said some instances people have come forward and said that some instances people have come forward and said that they some instances people have come forward and said that they don't forward and said that they don't think forward and said that they don't think that forward and said that they don't think that the forward and said that they don't think that the emergency think that the emergency accommodation think that the emergency accommodation that think that the emergency accommodation that they think that the emergency accommodation that they are think that the emergency accommodation that they are in think that the emergency accommodation that they are in is accommodation that they are in is appropriate accommodation that they are in is appropriate for accommodation that they are in is appropriate for them accommodation that they are in is appropriate for them and accommodation that they are in is appropriate for them and that accommodation that they are in is appropriate for them and that is appropriate for them and that is where appropriate for them and that is where MSD appropriate for them and that is where MSD will appropriate for them and that is where MSD will support appropriate for them and that is where MSD will support them appropriate for them and that is where MSD will support them to appropriate for them and that is where MSD will support them to move where MSD will support them to move to where MSD will support them to move to something where MSD will support them to move to something more where MSD will support them to move to something more suitable. where MSD will support them to move to something more suitable. Mr to something more suitable. Mr Speaker, to something more suitable. Mr Speaker, I'll to something more suitable. Mr Speaker, I'll also to something more suitable. Mr Speaker, I'll also note to something more suitable. Mr Speaker, I'll also note that Speaker, I'll also note that recently Speaker, I'll also note that recently there Speaker, I'll also note that recently there was Speaker, I'll also note that recently there was a Speaker, I'll also note that recently there was a story Speaker, I'll also note that recently there was a story on recently there was a story on Wellington's recently there was a story on Wellington's emergency recently there was a story on Wellington's emergency housing Wellington's emergency housing motel, Wellington's emergency housing motel, and Wellington's emergency housing motel, and the Wellington's emergency housing motel, and the people Wellington's emergency housing motel, and the people that Wellington's emergency housing motel, and the people that were motel, and the people that were interviewed motel, and the people that were interviewed there motel, and the people that were interviewed there said motel, and the people that were interviewed there said that motel, and the people that were interviewed there said that it interviewed there said that it wasn't interviewed there said that it wasn't an interviewed there said that it wasn't an issue interviewed there said that it wasn't an issue with interviewed there said that it wasn't an issue with the interviewed there said that it wasn't an issue with the people interviewed there said that it wasn't an issue with the people that wasn't an issue with the people that were wasn't an issue with the people that were in wasn't an issue with the people that were in the wasn't an issue with the people that were in the emergency wasn't an issue with the people that were in the emergency accommodation, were in the emergency accommodation, they were in the emergency accommodation, they felt were in the emergency accommodation, they felt safe. were in the emergency accommodation, they felt safe. It were in the emergency accommodation, they felt safe. It was were in the emergency accommodation, they felt safe. It was the were in the emergency accommodation, they felt safe. It was the people they felt safe. It was the people they they felt safe. It was the people they saw they felt safe. It was the people they saw out they felt safe. It was the people they saw out on they felt safe. It was the people they saw out on the they felt safe. It was the people they saw out on the street they felt safe. It was the people they saw out on the street who they felt safe. It was the people they saw out on the street who were they saw out on the street who were not they saw out on the street who were not in they saw out on the street who were not in accommodation. they saw out on the street who were not in accommodation. The they saw out on the street who were not in accommodation. The Hon they saw out on the street who were not in accommodation. The Hon Dr not in accommodation. The Hon Dr Megan not in accommodation. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. not in accommodation. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Can not in accommodation. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Can the not in accommodation. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Can the Minister Megan Woods. Can the Minister confirm Megan Woods. Can the Minister confirm that Megan Woods. Can the Minister confirm that officials Megan Woods. Can the Minister confirm that officials from Megan Woods. Can the Minister confirm that officials from the confirm that officials from the Ministry confirm that officials from the Ministry of confirm that officials from the Ministry of Social confirm that officials from the Ministry of Social Development confirm that officials from the Ministry of Social Development have Ministry of Social Development have been Ministry of Social Development have been on Ministry of Social Development have been on the Ministry of Social Development have been on the ground Ministry of Social Development have been on the ground in Ministry of Social Development have been on the ground in Rotorua Ministry of Social Development have been on the ground in Rotorua with been on the ground in Rotorua with fellow been on the ground in Rotorua with fellow officials been on the ground in Rotorua with fellow officials from been on the ground in Rotorua with fellow officials from the been on the ground in Rotorua with fellow officials from the Ministry fellow officials from the Ministry of fellow officials from the Ministry of Housing fellow officials from the Ministry of Housing and fellow officials from the Ministry of Housing and Urban fellow officials from the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development, of Housing and Urban Development, officers of Housing and Urban Development, officers from of Housing and Urban Development, officers from Rotorua of Housing and Urban Development, officers from Rotorua Lake's officers from Rotorua Lake's District officers from Rotorua Lake's District Council officers from Rotorua Lake's District Council and officers from Rotorua Lake's District Council and representatives District Council and representatives of District Council and representatives of iwi District Council and representatives of iwi working District Council and representatives of iwi working on District Council and representatives of iwi working on long-term of iwi working on long-term solutions of iwi working on long-term solutions because of iwi working on long-term solutions because we of iwi working on long-term solutions because we are of iwi working on long-term solutions because we are part of iwi working on long-term solutions because we are part of of iwi working on long-term solutions because we are part of a solutions because we are part of a Government solutions because we are part of a Government that solutions because we are part of a Government that is solutions because we are part of a Government that is committed solutions because we are part of a Government that is committed to Government that is committed to finding Government that is committed to finding solutions Government that is committed to finding solutions to Government that is committed to finding solutions to homelessness? Government that is committed to finding solutions to homelessness? I finding solutions to homelessness? I can finding solutions to homelessness? I can absolutely finding solutions to homelessness? I can absolutely confirm finding solutions to homelessness? I can absolutely confirm that finding solutions to homelessness? I can absolutely confirm that that finding solutions to homelessness? I can absolutely confirm that that is can absolutely confirm that that is the can absolutely confirm that that is the case, can absolutely confirm that that is the case, Mr can absolutely confirm that that is the case, Mr Speaker. can absolutely confirm that that is the case, Mr Speaker. As can absolutely confirm that that is the case, Mr Speaker. As I can absolutely confirm that that is the case, Mr Speaker. As I said, can absolutely confirm that that is the case, Mr Speaker. As I said, we the case, Mr Speaker. As I said, we inherited the case, Mr Speaker. As I said, we inherited a the case, Mr Speaker. As I said, we inherited a housing the case, Mr Speaker. As I said, we inherited a housing problem. the case, Mr Speaker. As I said, we inherited a housing problem. Mr inherited a housing problem. Mr Speaker, inherited a housing problem. Mr Speaker, we inherited a housing problem. Mr Speaker, we need inherited a housing problem. Mr Speaker, we need to inherited a housing problem. Mr Speaker, we need to ensure inherited a housing problem. Mr Speaker, we need to ensure that inherited a housing problem. 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Can work is certainly happening, Mr Speaker. Can she work is certainly happening, Mr Speaker. Can she provide work is certainly happening, Mr Speaker. Can she provide an Speaker. Can she provide an assurance Speaker. Can she provide an assurance to Speaker. Can she provide an assurance to families Speaker. Can she provide an assurance to families who Speaker. Can she provide an assurance to families who currently assurance to families who currently have assurance to families who currently have nowhere assurance to families who currently have nowhere to assurance to families who currently have nowhere to stay assurance to families who currently have nowhere to stay and assurance to families who currently have nowhere to stay and might have nowhere to stay and might approach have nowhere to stay and might approach MSD have nowhere to stay and might approach MSD that have nowhere to stay and might approach MSD that she have nowhere to stay and might approach MSD that she will have nowhere to stay and might approach MSD that she will urgently approach MSD that she will urgently implement approach MSD that she will urgently implement a approach MSD that she will urgently implement a system approach MSD that she will urgently implement a system that approach MSD that she will urgently implement a system that will approach MSD that she will urgently implement a system that will prevent implement a system that will prevent children implement a system that will prevent children from implement a system that will prevent children from being implement a system that will prevent children from being put implement a system that will prevent children from being put next implement a system that will prevent children from being put next to children from being put next to recently-released children from being put next to recently-released prisoners children from being put next to recently-released prisoners and children from being put next to recently-released prisoners and gang recently-released prisoners and gang members? recently-released prisoners and gang members? 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I can assure people who go to MSD who are people who go to MSD who are homeless people who go to MSD who are homeless and people who go to MSD who are homeless and have people who go to MSD who are homeless and have nowhere people who go to MSD who are homeless and have nowhere else people who go to MSD who are homeless and have nowhere else to homeless and have nowhere else to stay homeless and have nowhere else to stay that homeless and have nowhere else to stay that MSD homeless and have nowhere else to stay that MSD under homeless and have nowhere else to stay that MSD under our homeless and have nowhere else to stay that MSD under our watch homeless and have nowhere else to stay that MSD under our watch will stay that MSD under our watch will support stay that MSD under our watch will support them stay that MSD under our watch will support them to stay that MSD under our watch will support them to get stay that MSD under our watch will support them to get into stay that MSD under our watch will support them to get into emergency support them to get into emergency accommodation support them to get into emergency accommodation so support them to get into emergency accommodation so that support them to get into emergency accommodation so that they support them to get into emergency accommodation so that they don't accommodation so that they don't need accommodation so that they don't need to accommodation so that they don't need to live accommodation so that they don't need to live in accommodation so that they don't need to live in their accommodation so that they don't need to live in their cars accommodation so that they don't need to live in their cars or accommodation so that they don't need to live in their cars or on accommodation so that they don't need to live in their cars or on the need to live in their cars or on the streets. need to live in their cars or on the streets. By need to live in their cars or on the streets. By what need to live in their cars or on the streets. By what date need to live in their cars or on the streets. By what date will need to live in their cars or on the streets. By what date will the streets. By what date will the Minister streets. By what date will the Minister commit streets. By what date will the Minister commit to streets. By what date will the Minister commit to stop streets. By what date will the Minister commit to stop putting Minister commit to stop putting children Minister commit to stop putting children in Minister commit to stop putting children in motels? Minister commit to stop putting children in motels? Mr Minister commit to stop putting children in motels? Mr Speaker, Minister commit to stop putting children in motels? Mr Speaker, as Minister commit to stop putting children in motels? Mr Speaker, as I children in motels? Mr Speaker, as I have children in motels? Mr Speaker, as I have already children in motels? Mr Speaker, as I have already said, children in motels? Mr Speaker, as I have already said, our children in motels? Mr Speaker, as I have already said, our Government have already said, our Government takes have already said, our Government takes the have already said, our Government takes the need have already said, our Government takes the need to have already said, our Government takes the need to meet have already said, our Government takes the need to meet the have already said, our Government takes the need to meet the housing takes the need to meet the housing demand takes the need to meet the housing demand in takes the need to meet the housing demand in this takes the need to meet the housing demand in this country takes the need to meet the housing demand in this country seriously. demand in this country seriously. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> We <INTERRUPTION> We only <INTERRUPTION> We only wish <INTERRUPTION> We only wish that <INTERRUPTION> We only wish that previous We only wish that previous Governments We only wish that previous Governments had We only wish that previous Governments had spent We only wish that previous Governments had spent time We only wish that previous Governments had spent time building Governments had spent time building houses Governments had spent time building houses instead Governments had spent time building houses instead of Governments had spent time building houses instead of selling Governments had spent time building houses instead of selling them Governments had spent time building houses instead of selling them off, houses instead of selling them off, Mr houses instead of selling them off, Mr Speaker. houses instead of selling them off, Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> So Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> So we Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> So we are Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> So we are working Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> So we are working at Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> So we are working at pace, Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> So we are working at pace, we Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> So we are working at pace, we are So we are working at pace, we are committed So we are working at pace, we are committed to So we are working at pace, we are committed to 18,400 So we are working at pace, we are committed to 18,400 new So we are working at pace, we are committed to 18,400 new public committed to 18,400 new public housing committed to 18,400 new public housing and committed to 18,400 new public housing and transitional committed to 18,400 new public housing and transitional housing housing and transitional housing places housing and transitional housing places within housing and transitional housing places within four housing and transitional housing places within four years, housing and transitional housing places within four years, Mr places within four years, Mr Speaker. places within four years, Mr Speaker. And, places within four years, Mr Speaker. And, Mr places within four years, Mr Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, places within four years, Mr Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, that places within four years, Mr Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, that is places within four years, Mr Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, that is a Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, that is a darn Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, that is a darn sight Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, that is a darn sight better Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, that is a darn sight better than Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, that is a darn sight better than what Speaker. And, Mr Speaker, that is a darn sight better than what the darn sight better than what the previous darn sight better than what the previous National darn sight better than what the previous National Government darn sight better than what the previous National Government did. previous National Government did. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Question <INTERRUPTION> Question No. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 9. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 9. Thank <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 9. Thank you, <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 9. Thank you, Mr Question No. 9. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Question No. 9. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Sorry, Question No. 9. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Sorry, I Question No. 9. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Sorry, I apologise, Speaker. Sorry, I apologise, question Speaker. Sorry, I apologise, question No. Speaker. Sorry, I apologise, question No. 8. Speaker. Sorry, I apologise, question No. 8. Thank Speaker. Sorry, I apologise, question No. 8. Thank you, Speaker. Sorry, I apologise, question No. 8. Thank you, Mr question No. 8. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Building My question is to the Minister for Building and My question is to the Minister for Building and Construction: Building and Construction: What Building and Construction: What recent Building and Construction: What recent reports Building and Construction: What recent reports has Building and Construction: What recent reports has she Building and Construction: What recent reports has she seen What recent reports has she seen regarding What recent reports has she seen regarding building What recent reports has she seen regarding building consents? 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In year ending in March 2021 an all-time high. In March year ending in March 2021 an all-time high. In March 2021 year ending in March 2021 an all-time high. In March 2021 alone, all-time high. In March 2021 alone, regarding all-time high. In March 2021 alone, 4,428 all-time high. In March 2021 alone, 4,428 homes, the highest all-time high. In March 2021 alone, 4,428 homes, the highest number. all-time high. In March 2021 alone, 4,428 homes, the highest number. A 4,428 homes, the highest number. A decade 4,428 homes, the highest number. A decade ago, 4,428 homes, the highest number. A decade ago, the 4,428 homes, the highest number. A decade ago, the annual 4,428 homes, the highest number. A decade ago, the annual number 4,428 homes, the highest number. A decade ago, the annual number of 4,428 homes, the highest number. A decade ago, the annual number of new decade ago, the annual number of new homes decade ago, the annual number of new homes consented decade ago, the annual number of new homes consented was decade ago, the annual number of new homes consented was 14,611. decade ago, the annual number of new homes consented was 14,611. Ten homes consented was 14,611. Ten years homes consented was 14,611. Ten years on homes consented was 14,611. Ten years on the homes consented was 14,611. Ten years on the annual homes consented was 14,611. Ten years on the annual number homes consented was 14,611. Ten years on the annual number of homes consented was 14,611. Ten years on the annual number of new years on the annual number of new homes years on the annual number of new homes consented years on the annual number of new homes consented has years on the annual number of new homes consented has risen years on the annual number of new homes consented has risen by years on the annual number of new homes consented has risen by 181%. homes consented has risen by 181%. Mr homes consented has risen by 181%. Mr Speaker, homes consented has risen by 181%. Mr Speaker, these homes consented has risen by 181%. Mr Speaker, these figures homes consented has risen by 181%. Mr Speaker, these figures show homes consented has risen by 181%. Mr Speaker, these figures show the Mr Speaker, these figures show the Government's Mr Speaker, these figures show the Government's commitment Mr Speaker, these figures show the Government's commitment to Government's commitment to responding Government's commitment to responding to Government's commitment to responding to increased Government's commitment to responding to increased housing responding to increased housing demand responding to increased housing demand as responding to increased housing demand as delivering responding to increased housing demand as delivering the responding to increased housing demand as delivering the warm, responding to increased housing demand as delivering the warm, dry, demand as delivering the warm, dry, safe demand as delivering the warm, dry, safe and demand as delivering the warm, dry, safe and durable demand as delivering the warm, dry, safe and durable houses demand as delivering the warm, dry, safe and durable houses that demand as delivering the warm, dry, safe and durable houses that New safe and durable houses that New Zealand safe and durable houses that New Zealand needs. safe and durable houses that New Zealand needs. Supplementary, safe and durable houses that New Zealand needs. Supplementary, what Zealand needs. Supplementary, what does Zealand needs. Supplementary, what does the Zealand needs. Supplementary, what does the Statistics Zealand needs. Supplementary, what does the Statistics NZ Zealand needs. Supplementary, what does the Statistics NZ data Zealand needs. Supplementary, what does the Statistics NZ data show Zealand needs. Supplementary, what does the Statistics NZ data show for does the Statistics NZ data show for regional does the Statistics NZ data show for regional New does the Statistics NZ data show for regional New Zealand? does the Statistics NZ data show for regional New Zealand? Mr does the Statistics NZ data show for regional New Zealand? Mr Speaker, regional New Zealand? Mr Speaker, while regional New Zealand? Mr Speaker, while the regional New Zealand? Mr Speaker, while the data regional New Zealand? Mr Speaker, while the data shows regional New Zealand? Mr Speaker, while the data shows the regional New Zealand? 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Taranaki, Whanganui and Tasman. Supplementary. Taranaki, Whanganui and Tasman. Supplementary. How Taranaki, Whanganui and Tasman. Supplementary. How is Taranaki, Whanganui and Tasman. Supplementary. How is the Taranaki, Whanganui and Tasman. Supplementary. How is the Government Supplementary. How is the Government supporting Supplementary. How is the Government supporting the Supplementary. How is the Government supporting the building Supplementary. How is the Government supporting the building and supporting the building and construction supporting the building and construction sector supporting the building and construction sector to supporting the building and construction sector to build supporting the building and construction sector to build on supporting the building and construction sector to build on this construction sector to build on this growth construction sector to build on this growth and construction sector to build on this growth and consents? construction sector to build on this growth and consents? Mr construction sector to build on this growth and consents? Mr Speaker, construction sector to build on this growth and consents? Mr Speaker, as growth and consents? Mr Speaker, as a growth and consents? Mr Speaker, as a Government, growth and consents? Mr Speaker, as a Government, we growth and consents? Mr Speaker, as a Government, we are growth and consents? Mr Speaker, as a Government, we are committed growth and consents? Mr Speaker, as a Government, we are committed to a Government, we are committed to supporting a Government, we are committed to supporting the a Government, we are committed to supporting the sector a Government, we are committed to supporting the sector through supporting the sector through continued supporting the sector through continued investment supporting the sector through continued investment and supporting the sector through continued investment and trades, continued investment and trades, training continued investment and trades, training and continued investment and trades, training and apprenticeships. continued investment and trades, training and apprenticeships. Our training and apprenticeships. Our building training and apprenticeships. Our building legislative training and apprenticeships. Our building legislative reform building legislative reform programme building legislative reform programme and building legislative reform programme and improvement building legislative reform programme and improvement to building legislative reform programme and improvement to our programme and improvement to our planning programme and improvement to our planning system programme and improvement to our planning system by programme and improvement to our planning system by repealing programme and improvement to our planning system by repealing and planning system by repealing and replacing planning system by repealing and replacing the planning system by repealing and replacing the RMA. planning system by repealing and replacing the RMA. We planning system by repealing and replacing the RMA. We are planning system by repealing and replacing the RMA. We are also replacing the RMA. We are also ensure replacing the RMA. We are also ensure that replacing the RMA. We are also ensure that we replacing the RMA. We are also ensure that we have replacing the RMA. We are also ensure that we have capacity replacing the RMA. We are also ensure that we have capacity to replacing the RMA. We are also ensure that we have capacity to meet ensure that we have capacity to meet the ensure that we have capacity to meet the increased ensure that we have capacity to meet the increased demand ensure that we have capacity to meet the increased demand through the increased demand through Construction the increased demand through Construction Skills the increased demand through Construction Skills Action the increased demand through Construction Skills Action Plan Construction Skills Action Plan initiatives, Construction Skills Action Plan initiatives, more Construction Skills Action Plan initiatives, more than Construction Skills Action Plan initiatives, more than 9,300 Construction Skills Action Plan initiatives, more than 9,300 people initiatives, more than 9,300 people have initiatives, more than 9,300 people have taken initiatives, more than 9,300 people have taken up initiatives, more than 9,300 people have taken up education initiatives, more than 9,300 people have taken up education or have taken up education or employment have taken up education or employment opportunities have taken up education or employment opportunities in have taken up education or employment opportunities in the employment opportunities in the construction employment opportunities in the construction sector employment opportunities in the construction sector since employment opportunities in the construction sector since 2018. construction sector since 2018. Question construction sector since 2018. Question No. construction sector since 2018. Question No. 9. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: COVID-19 Response: Does COVID-19 Response: Does he COVID-19 Response: Does he agree COVID-19 Response: Does he agree with COVID-19 Response: Does he agree with the COVID-19 Response: Does he agree with the Prime Does he agree with the Prime Minister, Does he agree with the Prime Minister, who Does he agree with the Prime Minister, who said Does he agree with the Prime Minister, who said yesterday, Does he agree with the Prime Minister, who said yesterday, "In Minister, who said yesterday, "In part, Minister, who said yesterday, "In part, that Minister, who said yesterday, "In part, that is Minister, who said yesterday, "In part, that is because, Minister, who said yesterday, "In part, that is because, yes, Minister, who said yesterday, "In part, that is because, yes, we part, that is because, yes, we really part, that is because, yes, we really were part, that is because, yes, we really were at part, that is because, yes, we really were at the part, that is because, yes, we really were at the front part, that is because, yes, we really were at the front of part, that is because, yes, we really were at the front of the part, that is because, yes, we really were at the front of the pack really were at the front of the pack in really were at the front of the pack in terms really were at the front of the pack in terms of really were at the front of the pack in terms of securing really were at the front of the pack in terms of securing agreements really were at the front of the pack in terms of securing agreements with in terms of securing agreements with companies in terms of securing agreements with companies for in terms of securing agreements with companies for the in terms of securing agreements with companies for the delivery in terms of securing agreements with companies for the delivery of companies for the delivery of vaccine", companies for the delivery of vaccine", and companies for the delivery of vaccine", and is companies for the delivery of vaccine", and is he companies for the delivery of vaccine", and is he satisfied companies for the delivery of vaccine", and is he satisfied with vaccine", and is he satisfied with the vaccine", and is he satisfied with the COVID-19 vaccine", and is he satisfied with the COVID-19 vaccine vaccine", and is he satisfied with the COVID-19 vaccine roll-out? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, yes, Mr Speaker, yes, the Mr Speaker, yes, the PM Mr Speaker, yes, the PM is Mr Speaker, yes, the PM is absolutely Mr Speaker, yes, the PM is absolutely correct Mr Speaker, yes, the PM is absolutely correct yesterday Mr Speaker, yes, the PM is absolutely correct yesterday when absolutely correct yesterday when she absolutely correct yesterday when she signalled absolutely correct yesterday when she signalled our absolutely correct yesterday when she signalled our objective absolutely correct yesterday when she signalled our objective of she signalled our objective of keeping she signalled our objective of keeping New she signalled our objective of keeping New Zealanders she signalled our objective of keeping New Zealanders safe she signalled our objective of keeping New Zealanders safe from keeping New Zealanders safe from COVID-19 keeping New Zealanders safe from COVID-19 was keeping New Zealanders safe from COVID-19 was a keeping New Zealanders safe from COVID-19 was a key keeping New Zealanders safe from COVID-19 was a key factor keeping New Zealanders safe from COVID-19 was a key factor in COVID-19 was a key factor in securing COVID-19 was a key factor in securing a COVID-19 was a key factor in securing a diverse COVID-19 was a key factor in securing a diverse vaccine COVID-19 was a key factor in securing a diverse vaccine portfolio securing a diverse vaccine portfolio last securing a diverse vaccine portfolio last year securing a diverse vaccine portfolio last year so securing a diverse vaccine portfolio last year so that securing a diverse vaccine portfolio last year so that we securing a diverse vaccine portfolio last year so that we can securing a diverse vaccine portfolio last year so that we can ensure securing a diverse vaccine portfolio last year so that we can ensure that last year so that we can ensure that everyone last year so that we can ensure that everyone in last year so that we can ensure that everyone in New last year so that we can ensure that everyone in New Zealand last year so that we can ensure that everyone in New Zealand is last year so that we can ensure that everyone in New Zealand is able last year so that we can ensure that everyone in New Zealand is able to everyone in New Zealand is able to get everyone in New Zealand is able to get a everyone in New Zealand is able to get a free everyone in New Zealand is able to get a free vaccination. everyone in New Zealand is able to get a free vaccination. In everyone in New Zealand is able to get a free vaccination. In relation get a free vaccination. In relation to get a free vaccination. In relation to the get a free vaccination. In relation to the second get a free vaccination. In relation to the second part get a free vaccination. In relation to the second part of get a free vaccination. In relation to the second part of the get a free vaccination. In relation to the second part of the member's to the second part of the member's question, to the second part of the member's question, again, to the second part of the member's question, again, yes. to the second part of the member's question, again, yes. As to the second part of the member's question, again, yes. As of to the second part of the member's question, again, yes. As of midnight question, again, yes. As of midnight last question, again, yes. As of midnight last night, question, again, yes. As of midnight last night, we question, again, yes. As of midnight last night, we have question, again, yes. As of midnight last night, we have so question, again, yes. As of midnight last night, we have so far question, again, yes. As of midnight last night, we have so far delivered last night, we have so far delivered 388,877 last night, we have so far delivered 388,877 doses last night, we have so far delivered 388,877 doses of last night, we have so far delivered 388,877 doses of the last night, we have so far delivered 388,877 doses of the vaccine last night, we have so far delivered 388,877 doses of the vaccine across 388,877 doses of the vaccine across New 388,877 doses of the vaccine across New Zealand. 388,877 doses of the vaccine across New Zealand. That's 388,877 doses of the vaccine across New Zealand. That's increase 388,877 doses of the vaccine across New Zealand. That's increase of New Zealand. That's increase of 83,000 New Zealand. That's increase of 83,000 on New Zealand. That's increase of 83,000 on this New Zealand. That's increase of 83,000 on this time New Zealand. That's increase of 83,000 on this time last New Zealand. That's increase of 83,000 on this time last week. New Zealand. That's increase of 83,000 on this time last week. DHBs 83,000 on this time last week. DHBs are 83,000 on this time last week. DHBs are generally 83,000 on this time last week. DHBs are generally tracking 83,000 on this time last week. DHBs are generally tracking ahead 83,000 on this time last week. DHBs are generally tracking ahead of are generally tracking ahead of their are generally tracking ahead of their national are generally tracking ahead of their national rollout are generally tracking ahead of their national rollout plans. their national rollout plans. Progress their national rollout plans. Progress continues their national rollout plans. Progress continues in their national rollout plans. Progress continues in the their national rollout plans. Progress continues in the lead-up their national rollout plans. Progress continues in the lead-up to Progress continues in the lead-up to the Progress continues in the lead-up to the nationwide Progress continues in the lead-up to the nationwide rollout Progress continues in the lead-up to the nationwide rollout of Progress continues in the lead-up to the nationwide rollout of the the nationwide rollout of the vaccine the nationwide rollout of the vaccine to the nationwide rollout of the vaccine to most the nationwide rollout of the vaccine to most of the nationwide rollout of the vaccine to most of New the nationwide rollout of the vaccine to most of New Zealanders vaccine to most of New Zealanders from vaccine to most of New Zealanders from July vaccine to most of New Zealanders from July onwards. vaccine to most of New Zealanders from July onwards. Supplementary. from July onwards. Supplementary. Why from July onwards. Supplementary. Why was from July onwards. Supplementary. Why was a from July onwards. Supplementary. Why was a prebooked from July onwards. Supplementary. Why was a prebooked 81-year-old Why was a prebooked 81-year-old turned Why was a prebooked 81-year-old turned away Why was a prebooked 81-year-old turned away from Why was a prebooked 81-year-old turned away from her Why was a prebooked 81-year-old turned away from her appointment Why was a prebooked 81-year-old turned away from her appointment in turned away from her appointment in Auckland turned away from her appointment in Auckland yesterday? turned away from her appointment in Auckland yesterday? And turned away from her appointment in Auckland yesterday? And is turned away from her appointment in Auckland yesterday? And is it Auckland yesterday? And is it acceptable Auckland yesterday? And is it acceptable that Auckland yesterday? And is it acceptable that seniors Auckland yesterday? And is it acceptable that seniors are Auckland yesterday? And is it acceptable that seniors are being acceptable that seniors are being turned acceptable that seniors are being turned away acceptable that seniors are being turned away when acceptable that seniors are being turned away when turning acceptable that seniors are being turned away when turning up acceptable that seniors are being turned away when turning up on acceptable that seniors are being turned away when turning up on time turned away when turning up on time for turned away when turning up on time for their turned away when turning up on time for their prebooked turned away when turning up on time for their prebooked appointments? turned away when turning up on time for their prebooked appointments? Mr for their prebooked appointments? Mr Speaker, for their prebooked appointments? Mr Speaker, in for their prebooked appointments? Mr Speaker, in answer for their prebooked appointments? Mr Speaker, in answer to for their prebooked appointments? Mr Speaker, in answer to the for their prebooked appointments? Mr Speaker, in answer to the second Speaker, in answer to the second part Speaker, in answer to the second part of Speaker, in answer to the second part of the Speaker, in answer to the second part of the question, Speaker, in answer to the second part of the question, no. Speaker, in answer to the second part of the question, no. My part of the question, no. My understanding part of the question, no. My understanding is part of the question, no. My understanding is that part of the question, no. My understanding is that in part of the question, no. My understanding is that in that understanding is that in that particular understanding is that in that particular case understanding is that in that particular case that understanding is that in that particular case that vaccination particular case that vaccination clinic particular case that vaccination clinic was particular case that vaccination clinic was taking particular case that vaccination clinic was taking a particular case that vaccination clinic was taking a mix particular case that vaccination clinic was taking a mix of particular case that vaccination clinic was taking a mix of bookings clinic was taking a mix of bookings and clinic was taking a mix of bookings and walk-in clinic was taking a mix of bookings and walk-in - clinic was taking a mix of bookings and walk-in - people clinic was taking a mix of bookings and walk-in - people coming clinic was taking a mix of bookings and walk-in - people coming in and walk-in - people coming in without and walk-in - people coming in without appointments. and walk-in - people coming in without appointments. 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It is something that I know the people doing the that I know the people doing the vaccines that I know the people doing the vaccines work that I know the people doing the vaccines work hard that I know the people doing the vaccines work hard to that I know the people doing the vaccines work hard to avoid that I know the people doing the vaccines work hard to avoid and that I know the people doing the vaccines work hard to avoid and I'm vaccines work hard to avoid and I'm sure vaccines work hard to avoid and I'm sure that vaccines work hard to avoid and I'm sure that they vaccines work hard to avoid and I'm sure that they will vaccines work hard to avoid and I'm sure that they will have vaccines work hard to avoid and I'm sure that they will have learned sure that they will have learned from sure that they will have learned from that sure that they will have learned from that experience. sure that they will have learned from that experience. Why sure that they will have learned from that experience. Why was sure that they will have learned from that experience. Why was a from that experience. Why was a border from that experience. Why was a border worker from that experience. Why was a border worker in from that experience. Why was a border worker in Rotorua from that experience. Why was a border worker in Rotorua told from that experience. Why was a border worker in Rotorua told they border worker in Rotorua told they had border worker in Rotorua told they had to border worker in Rotorua told they had to travel border worker in Rotorua told they had to travel to border worker in Rotorua told they had to travel to Tauranga border worker in Rotorua told they had to travel to Tauranga to border worker in Rotorua told they had to travel to Tauranga to get border worker in Rotorua told they had to travel to Tauranga to get a had to travel to Tauranga to get a COVID-19 had to travel to Tauranga to get a COVID-19 vaccine had to travel to Tauranga to get a COVID-19 vaccine and had to travel to Tauranga to get a COVID-19 vaccine and that had to travel to Tauranga to get a COVID-19 vaccine and that there COVID-19 vaccine and that there wasn't COVID-19 vaccine and that there wasn't a COVID-19 vaccine and that there wasn't a vaccination COVID-19 vaccine and that there wasn't a vaccination centre COVID-19 vaccine and that there wasn't a vaccination centre in wasn't a vaccination centre in Rotorua wasn't a vaccination centre in Rotorua when, wasn't a vaccination centre in Rotorua when, in wasn't a vaccination centre in Rotorua when, in fact, wasn't a vaccination centre in Rotorua when, in fact, there wasn't a vaccination centre in Rotorua when, in fact, there is? 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It's without knowing who gave them that information. It's very without knowing who gave them that information. It's very difficult without knowing who gave them that information. It's very difficult to information. It's very difficult to comment. information. It's very difficult to comment. Why information. It's very difficult to comment. Why were information. It's very difficult to comment. Why were prebooked information. It's very difficult to comment. Why were prebooked people comment. Why were prebooked people told comment. Why were prebooked people told that comment. Why were prebooked people told that the comment. Why were prebooked people told that the East comment. Why were prebooked people told that the East Tamaki told that the East Tamaki vaccination told that the East Tamaki vaccination centre told that the East Tamaki vaccination centre has told that the East Tamaki vaccination centre has run told that the East Tamaki vaccination centre has run out told that the East Tamaki vaccination centre has run out of vaccination centre has run out of COVID-19 vaccination centre has run out of COVID-19 vaccine vaccination centre has run out of COVID-19 vaccine doses vaccination centre has run out of COVID-19 vaccine doses last vaccination centre has run out of COVID-19 vaccine doses last Thursday COVID-19 vaccine doses last Thursday when COVID-19 vaccine doses last Thursday when it COVID-19 vaccine doses last Thursday when it had COVID-19 vaccine doses last Thursday when it had not, COVID-19 vaccine doses last Thursday when it had not, forcing COVID-19 vaccine doses last Thursday when it had not, forcing people COVID-19 vaccine doses last Thursday when it had not, forcing people to when it had not, forcing people to book when it had not, forcing people to book in when it had not, forcing people to book in for when it had not, forcing people to book in for their when it had not, forcing people to book in for their vaccine book in for their vaccine appointments book in for their vaccine appointments again? book in for their vaccine appointments again? Mr book in for their vaccine appointments again? Mr Speaker, book in for their vaccine appointments again? Mr Speaker, I appointments again? Mr Speaker, I don't appointments again? Mr Speaker, I don't have appointments again? Mr Speaker, I don't have responsibility appointments again? Mr Speaker, I don't have responsibility for appointments again? Mr Speaker, I don't have responsibility for what don't have responsibility for what all don't have responsibility for what all 5 don't have responsibility for what all 5 million don't have responsibility for what all 5 million New don't have responsibility for what all 5 million New Zealanders don't have responsibility for what all 5 million New Zealanders say don't have responsibility for what all 5 million New Zealanders say to all 5 million New Zealanders say to other all 5 million New Zealanders say to other New all 5 million New Zealanders say to other New Zealanders all 5 million New Zealanders say to other New Zealanders around all 5 million New Zealanders say to other New Zealanders around the other New Zealanders around the availability other New Zealanders around the availability of other New Zealanders around the availability of vaccines. availability of vaccines. (INTERJECTIONS) (INTERJECTIONS) Question (INTERJECTIONS) Question No. (INTERJECTIONS) Question No. 10. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Pacific My question is to the Minister for Pacific Peoples: Pacific Peoples: What Pacific Peoples: What recent Pacific Peoples: What recent announcement Pacific Peoples: What recent announcement has Pacific Peoples: What recent announcement has he Pacific Peoples: What recent announcement has he made What recent announcement has he made about What recent announcement has he made about supporting What recent announcement has he made about supporting Pacific What recent announcement has he made about supporting Pacific languages about supporting Pacific languages in about supporting Pacific languages in New about supporting Pacific languages in New Zealand? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, it Mr Speaker, it is Mr Speaker, it is with Mr Speaker, it is with immense Mr Speaker, it is with immense proud Mr Speaker, it is with immense proud that Mr Speaker, it is with immense proud that I Mr Speaker, it is with immense proud that I took Mr Speaker, it is with immense proud that I took with Mr Speaker, it is with immense proud that I took with the Mr Speaker, it is with immense proud that I took with the Rotuman that I took with the Rotuman community that I took with the Rotuman community at that I took with the Rotuman community at the that I took with the Rotuman community at the Hunter that I took with the Rotuman community at the Hunter collective community at the Hunter collective at community at the Hunter collective at the community at the Hunter collective at the Auckland community at the Hunter collective at the Auckland museum community at the Hunter collective at the Auckland museum to community at the Hunter collective at the Auckland museum to mark community at the Hunter collective at the Auckland museum to mark the at the Auckland museum to mark the launch at the Auckland museum to mark the launch of at the Auckland museum to mark the launch of nine at the Auckland museum to mark the launch of nine pacific at the Auckland museum to mark the launch of nine pacific language launch of nine pacific language weeks. launch of nine pacific language weeks. This launch of nine pacific language weeks. This year's launch of nine pacific language weeks. This year's Rotuman launch of nine pacific language weeks. This year's Rotuman week, weeks. This year's Rotuman week, it's weeks. This year's Rotuman week, it's the weeks. This year's Rotuman week, it's the four weeks. This year's Rotuman week, it's the four pillars weeks. This year's Rotuman week, it's the four pillars of weeks. This year's Rotuman week, it's the four pillars of life it's the four pillars of life including it's the four pillars of life including health, it's the four pillars of life including health, fakata, it's the four pillars of life including health, fakata, physical, including health, fakata, physical, psychological including health, fakata, physical, psychological and including health, fakata, physical, psychological and relationship including health, fakata, physical, psychological and relationship with psychological and relationship with people. people. <SPEAKS people. <SPEAKS OTHER people. <SPEAKS OTHER LANGUAGE> <SPEAKS OTHER LANGUAGE> - <SPEAKS OTHER LANGUAGE> - that <SPEAKS OTHER LANGUAGE> - that Pacific <SPEAKS OTHER LANGUAGE> - that Pacific resilience <SPEAKS OTHER LANGUAGE> - that Pacific resilience is <SPEAKS OTHER LANGUAGE> - that Pacific resilience is more - that Pacific resilience is more than - that Pacific resilience is more than physical - that Pacific resilience is more than physical health, - that Pacific resilience is more than physical health, we - that Pacific resilience is more than physical health, we must than physical health, we must nurture than physical health, we must nurture the than physical health, we must nurture the other than physical health, we must nurture the other aspects than physical health, we must nurture the other aspects that than physical health, we must nurture the other aspects that make nurture the other aspects that make up nurture the other aspects that make up our nurture the other aspects that make up our entire nurture the other aspects that make up our entire beings. nurture the other aspects that make up our entire beings. This up our entire beings. This recognises up our entire beings. This recognises that up our entire beings. This recognises that for up our entire beings. This recognises that for Pacific, recognises that for Pacific, language, recognises that for Pacific, language, culture recognises that for Pacific, language, culture and recognises that for Pacific, language, culture and identity recognises that for Pacific, language, culture and identity is language, culture and identity is the language, culture and identity is the cornerstone language, culture and identity is the cornerstone of language, culture and identity is the cornerstone of our language, culture and identity is the cornerstone of our wellbeing. the cornerstone of our wellbeing. Why the cornerstone of our wellbeing. Why is the cornerstone of our wellbeing. Why is it the cornerstone of our wellbeing. Why is it important the cornerstone of our wellbeing. Why is it important to the cornerstone of our wellbeing. Why is it important to celebrate Why is it important to celebrate Rotuman Why is it important to celebrate Rotuman language Why is it important to celebrate Rotuman language week? Why is it important to celebrate Rotuman language week? Mr Why is it important to celebrate Rotuman language week? Mr Speaker, Rotuman language week? Mr Speaker, Pacific Rotuman language week? Mr Speaker, Pacific languages, Rotuman language week? Mr Speaker, Pacific languages, cultures Rotuman language week? Mr Speaker, Pacific languages, cultures and Pacific languages, cultures and identity Pacific languages, cultures and identity are Pacific languages, cultures and identity are essential Pacific languages, cultures and identity are essential to Pacific languages, cultures and identity are essential to the Pacific languages, cultures and identity are essential to the health identity are essential to the health and identity are essential to the health and wellbeing identity are essential to the health and wellbeing of identity are essential to the health and wellbeing of Pacific identity are essential to the health and wellbeing of Pacific people identity are essential to the health and wellbeing of Pacific people in and wellbeing of Pacific people in Aotearoa and wellbeing of Pacific people in Aotearoa New and wellbeing of Pacific people in Aotearoa New Zealand. and wellbeing of Pacific people in Aotearoa New Zealand. Language and wellbeing of Pacific people in Aotearoa New Zealand. Language is Aotearoa New Zealand. Language is fundamental Aotearoa New Zealand. Language is fundamental to Aotearoa New Zealand. Language is fundamental to providing Aotearoa New Zealand. Language is fundamental to providing Pacific fundamental to providing Pacific peoples fundamental to providing Pacific peoples with fundamental to providing Pacific peoples with an fundamental to providing Pacific peoples with an anchor fundamental to providing Pacific peoples with an anchor to fundamental to providing Pacific peoples with an anchor to their peoples with an anchor to their identity, peoples with an anchor to their identity, confidence peoples with an anchor to their identity, confidence and peoples with an anchor to their identity, confidence and safety peoples with an anchor to their identity, confidence and safety as identity, confidence and safety as we identity, confidence and safety as we navigate identity, confidence and safety as we navigate our identity, confidence and safety as we navigate our way identity, confidence and safety as we navigate our way through identity, confidence and safety as we navigate our way through the we navigate our way through the economic we navigate our way through the economic and we navigate our way through the economic and social we navigate our way through the economic and social challenges we navigate our way through the economic and social challenges ahead economic and social challenges ahead post economic and social challenges ahead post the economic and social challenges ahead post the COVID-19 economic and social challenges ahead post the COVID-19 pandemic. economic and social challenges ahead post the COVID-19 pandemic. The post the COVID-19 pandemic. The languages post the COVID-19 pandemic. The languages have post the COVID-19 pandemic. The languages have been post the COVID-19 pandemic. The languages have been identified post the COVID-19 pandemic. The languages have been identified as languages have been identified as vulnerable languages have been identified as vulnerable on languages have been identified as vulnerable on UNESCO's languages have been identified as vulnerable on UNESCO's list languages have been identified as vulnerable on UNESCO's list of vulnerable on UNESCO's list of endangered vulnerable on UNESCO's list of endangered languages. vulnerable on UNESCO's list of endangered languages. The vulnerable on UNESCO's list of endangered languages. The 2019 endangered languages. The 2019 Wellbeing endangered languages. The 2019 Wellbeing Budget endangered languages. The 2019 Wellbeing Budget provided endangered languages. The 2019 Wellbeing Budget provided 20 endangered languages. The 2019 Wellbeing Budget provided 20 million Wellbeing Budget provided 20 million over Wellbeing Budget provided 20 million over 4 Wellbeing Budget provided 20 million over 4 years Wellbeing Budget provided 20 million over 4 years towards Wellbeing Budget provided 20 million over 4 years towards support Wellbeing Budget provided 20 million over 4 years towards support of over 4 years towards support of Pacific over 4 years towards support of Pacific languages over 4 years towards support of Pacific languages and over 4 years towards support of Pacific languages and cultures. over 4 years towards support of Pacific languages and cultures. This Pacific languages and cultures. This will Pacific languages and cultures. This will fund Pacific languages and cultures. This will fund initiatives Pacific languages and cultures. This will fund initiatives critical Pacific languages and cultures. This will fund initiatives critical to will fund initiatives critical to increasing will fund initiatives critical to increasing the will fund initiatives critical to increasing the use will fund initiatives critical to increasing the use and will fund initiatives critical to increasing the use and value will fund initiatives critical to increasing the use and value of increasing the use and value of Pacific increasing the use and value of Pacific languages. increasing the use and value of Pacific languages. What increasing the use and value of Pacific languages. What type increasing the use and value of Pacific languages. What type of Pacific languages. What type of support Pacific languages. What type of support is Pacific languages. What type of support is there Pacific languages. What type of support is there for Pacific languages. What type of support is there for Pacific support is there for Pacific languages? support is there for Pacific languages? Mr support is there for Pacific languages? Mr Speaker, support is there for Pacific languages? Mr Speaker, the support is there for Pacific languages? Mr Speaker, the Pacific languages? Mr Speaker, the Pacific Language languages? Mr Speaker, the Pacific Language Week languages? Mr Speaker, the Pacific Language Week have languages? Mr Speaker, the Pacific Language Week have extended Language Week have extended activities Language Week have extended activities throughout Language Week have extended activities throughout the Language Week have extended activities throughout the year Language Week have extended activities throughout the year with activities throughout the year with language activities throughout the year with language funding activities throughout the year with language funding support activities throughout the year with language funding support provided activities throughout the year with language funding support provided by language funding support provided by the language funding support provided by the ministry language funding support provided by the ministry for language funding support provided by the ministry for Pacific language funding support provided by the ministry for Pacific Peoples language funding support provided by the ministry for Pacific Peoples to the ministry for Pacific Peoples to enable the ministry for Pacific Peoples to enable year-long the ministry for Pacific Peoples to enable year-long language the ministry for Pacific Peoples to enable year-long language learning enable year-long language learning initiatives enable year-long language learning initiatives which enable year-long language learning initiatives which are enable year-long language learning initiatives which are led enable year-long language learning initiatives which are led by enable year-long language learning initiatives which are led by our initiatives which are led by our Pacific initiatives which are led by our Pacific communities initiatives which are led by our Pacific communities throughout Pacific communities throughout Aotearoa Pacific communities throughout Aotearoa New Pacific communities throughout Aotearoa New Zealand. Pacific communities throughout Aotearoa New Zealand. The Pacific communities throughout Aotearoa New Zealand. The ministry Aotearoa New Zealand. The ministry supports Aotearoa New Zealand. The ministry supports Pacific Aotearoa New Zealand. The ministry supports Pacific languages Aotearoa New Zealand. The ministry supports Pacific languages with Aotearoa New Zealand. The ministry supports Pacific languages with a supports Pacific languages with a number supports Pacific languages with a number of supports Pacific languages with a number of funding supports Pacific languages with a number of funding streams, supports Pacific languages with a number of funding streams, such supports Pacific languages with a number of funding streams, such as number of funding streams, such as the number of funding streams, such as the provider number of funding streams, such as the provider languages, number of funding streams, such as the provider languages, community the provider languages, community languages, the provider languages, community languages, and the provider languages, community languages, and the the provider languages, community languages, and the youth the provider languages, community languages, and the youth languages languages, and the youth languages funds. languages, and the youth languages funds. 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In 2020, the community Pacific languages. In 2020, the community languages Pacific languages. In 2020, the community languages fund Pacific languages. In 2020, the community languages fund supported community languages fund supported 344 community languages fund supported 344 community community languages fund supported 344 community groups community languages fund supported 344 community groups and community languages fund supported 344 community groups and reaffirms 344 community groups and reaffirms the 344 community groups and reaffirms the Government's 344 community groups and reaffirms the Government's commitment 344 community groups and reaffirms the Government's commitment to the Government's commitment to ensuring the Government's commitment to ensuring that the Government's commitment to ensuring that Pacific the Government's commitment to ensuring that Pacific languages ensuring that Pacific languages continue ensuring that Pacific languages continue to ensuring that Pacific languages continue to thrive ensuring that Pacific languages continue to thrive in ensuring that Pacific languages continue to thrive in Aotearoa ensuring that Pacific languages continue to thrive in Aotearoa New continue to thrive in Aotearoa New Zealand. continue to thrive in Aotearoa New Zealand. Question continue to thrive in Aotearoa New Zealand. Question No. continue to thrive in Aotearoa New Zealand. Question No. 11. continue to thrive in Aotearoa New Zealand. Question No. 11. Thank continue to thrive in Aotearoa New Zealand. Question No. 11. Thank you, Zealand. Question No. 11. Thank you, Mr Zealand. Question No. 11. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: Will Finance: Will Budget Finance: Will Budget 2021 Finance: Will Budget 2021 cut Finance: Will Budget 2021 cut taxes Will Budget 2021 cut taxes for Will Budget 2021 cut taxes for middle-income Will Budget 2021 cut taxes for middle-income New Will Budget 2021 cut taxes for middle-income New Zealanders? 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However, I do note that many of the purchases of completed. However, I do note that many of the purchases of these completed. However, I do note that many of the purchases of these homes many of the purchases of these homes were many of the purchases of these homes were working many of the purchases of these homes were working to many of the purchases of these homes were working to an many of the purchases of these homes were working to an October many of the purchases of these homes were working to an October 2021 were working to an October 2021 move-in were working to an October 2021 move-in date were working to an October 2021 move-in date and were working to an October 2021 move-in date and the were working to an October 2021 move-in date and the latest were working to an October 2021 move-in date and the latest advice were working to an October 2021 move-in date and the latest advice I move-in date and the latest advice I have move-in date and the latest advice I have is move-in date and the latest advice I have is that move-in date and the latest advice I have is that expectations move-in date and the latest advice I have is that expectations are move-in date and the latest advice I have is that expectations are still have is that expectations are still that have is that expectations are still that the have is that expectations are still that the first have is that expectations are still that the first homeowners have is that expectations are still that the first homeowners will have is that expectations are still that the first homeowners will move that the first homeowners will move in that the first homeowners will move in in that the first homeowners will move in in quarter that the first homeowners will move in in quarter four that the first homeowners will move in in quarter four 2021, that the first homeowners will move in in quarter four 2021, that that the first homeowners will move in in quarter four 2021, that is in in quarter four 2021, that is between in in quarter four 2021, that is between October in in quarter four 2021, that is between October and in in quarter four 2021, that is between October and December in in quarter four 2021, that is between October and December 2021. between October and December 2021. 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Firstly - since the answer points for the member. Firstly - since the answer to points for the member. Firstly - since the answer to her points for the member. 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Secondly stage 2 of the development due for delivery in 2022. Secondly - delivery in 2022. Secondly - KiwiBuild delivery in 2022. Secondly - KiwiBuild does delivery in 2022. Secondly - KiwiBuild does not delivery in 2022. Secondly - KiwiBuild does not contract delivery in 2022. Secondly - KiwiBuild does not contract homes KiwiBuild does not contract homes for KiwiBuild does not contract homes for construction KiwiBuild does not contract homes for construction under KiwiBuild does not contract homes for construction under the KiwiBuild does not contract homes for construction under the buying KiwiBuild does not contract homes for construction under the buying of for construction under the buying of the for construction under the buying of the plans for construction under the buying of the plans programme, for construction under the buying of the plans programme, KiwiBuild the plans programme, KiwiBuild provides the plans programme, KiwiBuild provides underwrites the plans programme, KiwiBuild provides underwrites to the plans programme, KiwiBuild provides underwrites to enable the plans programme, KiwiBuild provides underwrites to enable homes provides underwrites to enable homes to provides underwrites to enable homes to be provides underwrites to enable homes to be delivered provides underwrites to enable homes to be delivered by provides underwrites to enable homes to be delivered by private to be delivered by private developers. to be delivered by private developers. Supplementary. to be delivered by private developers. Supplementary. Did to be delivered by private developers. Supplementary. Did she developers. Supplementary. Did she discuss developers. Supplementary. Did she discuss additional developers. Supplementary. Did she discuss additional financial discuss additional financial assistance discuss additional financial assistance for discuss additional financial assistance for Ormiston discuss additional financial assistance for Ormiston Rise discuss additional financial assistance for Ormiston Rise with assistance for Ormiston Rise with officials assistance for Ormiston Rise with officials during assistance for Ormiston Rise with officials during the assistance for Ormiston Rise with officials during the quote, officials during the quote, "Intensive officials during the quote, "Intensive discussions" officials during the quote, "Intensive discussions" she officials during the quote, "Intensive discussions" she had officials during the quote, "Intensive discussions" she had with "Intensive discussions" she had with them "Intensive discussions" she had with them over "Intensive discussions" she had with them over the "Intensive discussions" she had with them over the weekend "Intensive discussions" she had with them over the weekend and "Intensive discussions" she had with them over the weekend and on "Intensive discussions" she had with them over the weekend and on Monday? them over the weekend and on Monday? And them over the weekend and on Monday? And if them over the weekend and on Monday? And if not, them over the weekend and on Monday? And if not, what them over the weekend and on Monday? And if not, what was them over the weekend and on Monday? And if not, what was discussed? them over the weekend and on Monday? And if not, what was discussed? Mr And if not, what was discussed? Mr Speaker, And if not, what was discussed? Mr Speaker, yes, And if not, what was discussed? Mr Speaker, yes, I And if not, what was discussed? Mr Speaker, yes, I did And if not, what was discussed? Mr Speaker, yes, I did ask And if not, what was discussed? Mr Speaker, yes, I did ask officials Speaker, yes, I did ask officials whether Speaker, yes, I did ask officials whether or Speaker, yes, I did ask officials whether or not Speaker, yes, I did ask officials whether or not there Speaker, yes, I did ask officials whether or not there was Speaker, yes, I did ask officials whether or not there was any Speaker, yes, I did ask officials whether or not there was any request whether or not there was any request from whether or not there was any request from the whether or not there was any request from the receivers whether or not there was any request from the receivers for whether or not there was any request from the receivers for additional from the receivers for additional financial from the receivers for additional financial support from the receivers for additional financial support because from the receivers for additional financial support because of from the receivers for additional financial support because of this financial support because of this development, financial support because of this development, 173 financial support because of this development, 173 in financial support because of this development, 173 in stage financial support because of this development, 173 in stage 1 financial support because of this development, 173 in stage 1 are development, 173 in stage 1 are KiwiBuild development, 173 in stage 1 are KiwiBuild homes, development, 173 in stage 1 are KiwiBuild homes, 190 development, 173 in stage 1 are KiwiBuild homes, 190 of development, 173 in stage 1 are KiwiBuild homes, 190 of the KiwiBuild homes, 190 of the properties KiwiBuild homes, 190 of the properties are KiwiBuild homes, 190 of the properties are included KiwiBuild homes, 190 of the properties are included in KiwiBuild homes, 190 of the properties are included in that properties are included in that stage. properties are included in that stage. The properties are included in that stage. The answer properties are included in that stage. The answer that properties are included in that stage. The answer that I properties are included in that stage. The answer that I got properties are included in that stage. The answer that I got from stage. The answer that I got from officials stage. The answer that I got from officials is stage. The answer that I got from officials is that stage. The answer that I got from officials is that the stage. The answer that I got from officials is that the intensive officials is that the intensive discussions officials is that the intensive discussions that officials is that the intensive discussions that actually officials is that the intensive discussions that actually been discussions that actually been happening discussions that actually been happening between discussions that actually been happening between the discussions that actually been happening between the officials discussions that actually been happening between the officials and happening between the officials and receivers, happening between the officials and receivers, not happening between the officials and receivers, not me, happening between the officials and receivers, not me, I happening between the officials and receivers, not me, I don't happening between the officials and receivers, not me, I don't get happening between the officials and receivers, not me, I don't get into receivers, not me, I don't get into any receivers, not me, I don't get into any intensive receivers, not me, I don't get into any intensive or receivers, not me, I don't get into any intensive or intense receivers, not me, I don't get into any intensive or intense ductions, any intensive or intense ductions, but any intensive or intense ductions, but what any intensive or intense ductions, but what the any intensive or intense ductions, but what the - any intensive or intense ductions, but what the - and any intensive or intense ductions, but what the - and to any intensive or intense ductions, but what the - and to the any intensive or intense ductions, but what the - and to the terms any intensive or intense ductions, but what the - and to the terms of but what the - and to the terms of those but what the - and to the terms of those conversations but what the - and to the terms of those conversations is but what the - and to the terms of those conversations is that but what the - and to the terms of those conversations is that - but what the - and to the terms of those conversations is that - it but what the - and to the terms of those conversations is that - it was those conversations is that - it was very those conversations is that - it was very that those conversations is that - it was very that finance those conversations is that - it was very that finance was those conversations is that - it was very that finance was not those conversations is that - it was very that finance was not the those conversations is that - it was very that finance was not the issue very that finance was not the issue or very that finance was not the issue or the very that finance was not the issue or the reason very that finance was not the issue or the reason why very that finance was not the issue or the reason why the very that finance was not the issue or the reason why the receivers very that finance was not the issue or the reason why the receivers had or the reason why the receivers had been or the reason why the receivers had been called or the reason why the receivers had been called in. or the reason why the receivers had been called in. 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I highly met vated to complete this development. I think highly met vated to complete this development. I think what highly met vated to complete this development. I think what the highly met vated to complete this development. I think what the member development. I think what the member and development. I think what the member and all development. I think what the member and all members development. I think what the member and all members of development. I think what the member and all members of this development. I think what the member and all members of this House development. I think what the member and all members of this House should and all members of this House should be and all members of this House should be aware and all members of this House should be aware of and all members of this House should be aware of is and all members of this House should be aware of is that and all members of this House should be aware of is that these and all members of this House should be aware of is that these - and all members of this House should be aware of is that these - many and all members of this House should be aware of is that these - many of be aware of is that these - many of these be aware of is that these - many of these homes be aware of is that these - many of these homes are be aware of is that these - many of these homes are very be aware of is that these - many of these homes are very near these homes are very near completion. these homes are very near completion. Many these homes are very near completion. Many are these homes are very near completion. Many are very these homes are very near completion. Many are very close these homes are very near completion. Many are very close to completion. Many are very close to code completion. Many are very close to code compliance completion. Many are very close to code compliance stage completion. Many are very close to code compliance stage of code compliance stage of development. code compliance stage of development. So code compliance stage of development. So there code compliance stage of development. So there is code compliance stage of development. So there is a code compliance stage of development. So there is a lot code compliance stage of development. So there is a lot of code compliance stage of development. So there is a lot of on development. So there is a lot of on site development. So there is a lot of on site cost development. So there is a lot of on site cost and development. So there is a lot of on site cost and everyone development. So there is a lot of on site cost and everyone is development. So there is a lot of on site cost and everyone is highly site cost and everyone is highly motivated site cost and everyone is highly motivated to site cost and everyone is highly motivated to realise site cost and everyone is highly motivated to realise the site cost and everyone is highly motivated to realise the value site cost and everyone is highly motivated to realise the value and motivated to realise the value and complete motivated to realise the value and complete this motivated to realise the value and complete this development. complete this development. Supplementary. complete this development. Supplementary. It complete this development. Supplementary. It wasn't complete this development. Supplementary. It wasn't financial Supplementary. It wasn't financial reasons Supplementary. It wasn't financial reasons that Supplementary. It wasn't financial reasons that meant Supplementary. It wasn't financial reasons that meant the Supplementary. It wasn't financial reasons that meant the receivers reasons that meant the receivers were reasons that meant the receivers were called reasons that meant the receivers were called in. reasons that meant the receivers were called in. What reasons that meant the receivers were called in. What was reasons that meant the receivers were called in. What was the reasons that meant the receivers were called in. What was the reason? were called in. What was the reason? Order. were called in. What was the reason? Order. Order. were called in. What was the reason? Order. Order. I'll were called in. What was the reason? Order. Order. I'll let were called in. What was the reason? Order. Order. I'll let - were called in. What was the reason? Order. Order. I'll let - strictly Order. Order. I'll let - strictly it's Order. Order. I'll let - strictly it's not Order. Order. I'll let - strictly it's not this Order. Order. I'll let - strictly it's not this minister's it's not this minister's responsibility. it's not this minister's responsibility. No, it's not this minister's responsibility. No, she it's not this minister's responsibility. No, she gave it's not this minister's responsibility. No, she gave the responsibility. No, she gave the answer. responsibility. No, she gave the answer. She responsibility. No, she gave the answer. She might responsibility. No, she gave the answer. She might have responsibility. No, she gave the answer. She might have referred responsibility. No, she gave the answer. She might have referred to answer. She might have referred to it answer. She might have referred to it but answer. She might have referred to it but it's answer. She might have referred to it but it's still answer. She might have referred to it but it's still not answer. She might have referred to it but it's still not - answer. 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It should be safe", and does she commit to be safe", and does she commit to KiwiBuild be safe", and does she commit to KiwiBuild buyers be safe", and does she commit to KiwiBuild buyers and be safe", and does she commit to KiwiBuild buyers and Ormiston be safe", and does she commit to KiwiBuild buyers and Ormiston Rise KiwiBuild buyers and Ormiston Rise Development KiwiBuild buyers and Ormiston Rise Development that KiwiBuild buyers and Ormiston Rise Development that their KiwiBuild buyers and Ormiston Rise Development that their houses KiwiBuild buyers and Ormiston Rise Development that their houses will Development that their houses will be Development that their houses will be completed Development that their houses will be completed on Development that their houses will be completed on time? Development that their houses will be completed on time? Mr Development that their houses will be completed on time? Mr Speaker, Development that their houses will be completed on time? 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Mr Speaker, I have addressed many of the issues have addressed many of the issues that have addressed many of the issues that the have addressed many of the issues that the member have addressed many of the issues that the member raised have addressed many of the issues that the member raised in have addressed many of the issues that the member raised in that that the member raised in that question, that the member raised in that question, but that the member raised in that question, but I that the member raised in that question, but I am that the member raised in that question, but I am happy that the member raised in that question, but I am happy to that the member raised in that question, but I am happy to answer question, but I am happy to answer it question, but I am happy to answer it because question, but I am happy to answer it because that question, but I am happy to answer it because that person question, but I am happy to answer it because that person has question, but I am happy to answer it because that person has also it because that person has also written it because that person has also written to it because that person has also written to me it because that person has also written to me and it because that person has also written to me and I'm it because that person has also written to me and I'm in it because that person has also written to me and I'm in the it because that person has also written to me and I'm in the middle written to me and I'm in the middle of written to me and I'm in the middle of writing written to me and I'm in the middle of writing a written to me and I'm in the middle of writing a response written to me and I'm in the middle of writing a response to written to me and I'm in the middle of writing a response to them. written to me and I'm in the middle of writing a response to them. 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Some that some policies are racist. Some people that some policies are racist. Some people have that some policies are racist. Some people have the that some policies are racist. Some people have the view that some policies are racist. Some people have the view that that some policies are racist. Some people have the view that other people have the view that other members' people have the view that other members' views people have the view that other members' views are people have the view that other members' views are racist. people have the view that other members' views are racist. In people have the view that other members' views are racist. In my members' views are racist. In my opinion members' views are racist. In my opinion ruling members' views are racist. In my opinion ruling that members' views are racist. In my opinion ruling that out members' views are racist. In my opinion ruling that out would members' views are racist. 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So I think the essence of my ruling is asking people to of my ruling is asking people to take of my ruling is asking people to take care of my ruling is asking people to take care as of my ruling is asking people to take care as they of my ruling is asking people to take care as they express take care as they express themselves, take care as they express themselves, to take care as they express themselves, to think take care as they express themselves, to think of take care as they express themselves, to think of the take care as they express themselves, to think of the wider themselves, to think of the wider consequences themselves, to think of the wider consequences when themselves, to think of the wider consequences when they themselves, to think of the wider consequences when they do, themselves, to think of the wider consequences when they do, but themselves, to think of the wider consequences when they do, but I themselves, to think of the wider consequences when they do, but I am consequences when they do, but I am not consequences when they do, but I am not going consequences when they do, but I am not going to consequences when they do, but I am not going to ask consequences when they do, but I am not going to ask one consequences when they do, but I am not going to ask one part consequences when they do, but I am not going to ask one part of consequences when they do, but I am not going to ask one part of the not going to ask one part of the House not going to ask one part of the House to not going to ask one part of the House to refrain not going to ask one part of the House to refrain from not going to ask one part of the House to refrain from suggestions House to refrain from suggestions that House to refrain from suggestions that some House to refrain from suggestions that some policies House to refrain from suggestions that some policies are House to refrain from suggestions that some policies are race House to refrain from suggestions that some policies are race based House to refrain from suggestions that some policies are race based or that some policies are race based or effectively that some policies are race based or effectively racist that some policies are race based or effectively racist and that some policies are race based or effectively racist and I'm that some policies are race based or effectively racist and I'm not that some policies are race based or effectively racist and I'm not going effectively racist and I'm not going to effectively racist and I'm not going to stop effectively racist and I'm not going to stop another effectively racist and I'm not going to stop another group effectively racist and I'm not going to stop another group in effectively racist and I'm not going to stop another group in the effectively racist and I'm not going to stop another group in the House to stop another group in the House expressing to stop another group in the House expressing the to stop another group in the House expressing the view to stop another group in the House expressing the view that to stop another group in the House expressing the view that other expressing the view that other members' expressing the view that other members' views, expressing the view that other members' views, not expressing the view that other members' views, not the expressing the view that other members' views, not the members members' views, not the members themselves members' views, not the members themselves but members' views, not the members themselves but the members' views, not the members themselves but the views members' views, not the members themselves but the views expressed themselves but the views expressed are, themselves but the views expressed are, in themselves but the views expressed are, in fact, themselves but the views expressed are, in fact, racist. themselves but the views expressed are, in fact, racist. I themselves but the views expressed are, in fact, racist. I think themselves but the views expressed are, in fact, racist. I think that are, in fact, racist. I think that will are, in fact, racist. I think that will get are, in fact, racist. I think that will get the are, in fact, racist. I think that will get the balance are, in fact, racist. I think that will get the balance about are, in fact, racist. I think that will get the balance about right. are, in fact, racist. I think that will get the balance about right. It will get the balance about right. It will will get the balance about right. It will leave will get the balance about right. It will leave the will get the balance about right. It will leave the freedom will get the balance about right. It will leave the freedom of will get the balance about right. It will leave the freedom of speech will get the balance about right. 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You have just made a comment that, in my - I infer from comment that, in my - I infer from that, comment that, in my - I infer from that, that comment that, in my - I infer from that, that what comment that, in my - I infer from that, that what you comment that, in my - I infer from that, that what you have comment that, in my - I infer from that, that what you have said comment that, in my - I infer from that, that what you have said is that, that what you have said is that that, that what you have said is that while that, that what you have said is that while a that, that what you have said is that while a party that, that what you have said is that while a party may that, that what you have said is that while a party may have that, that what you have said is that while a party may have a that, that what you have said is that while a party may have a line that while a party may have a line of that while a party may have a line of speaking that while a party may have a line of speaking or that while a party may have a line of speaking or question that while a party may have a line of speaking or question that that while a party may have a line of speaking or question that is of speaking or question that is racist, of speaking or question that is racist, it of speaking or question that is racist, it is of speaking or question that is racist, it is still of speaking or question that is racist, it is still within of speaking or question that is racist, it is still within Standing racist, it is still within Standing Orders racist, it is still within Standing Orders and racist, it is still within Standing Orders and I racist, it is still within Standing Orders and I find racist, it is still within Standing Orders and I find that racist, it is still within Standing Orders and I find that very Orders and I find that very troubling. Orders and I find that very troubling. So Orders and I find that very troubling. So could Orders and I find that very troubling. So could I Orders and I find that very troubling. So could I ask Orders and I find that very troubling. So could I ask you Orders and I find that very troubling. So could I ask you if Orders and I find that very troubling. So could I ask you if you troubling. So could I ask you if you have troubling. So could I ask you if you have examples troubling. So could I ask you if you have examples of troubling. So could I ask you if you have examples of speech troubling. So could I ask you if you have examples of speech that troubling. So could I ask you if you have examples of speech that you have examples of speech that you believe have examples of speech that you believe met have examples of speech that you believe met that have examples of speech that you believe met that definition have examples of speech that you believe met that definition then believe met that definition then please believe met that definition then please forward believe met that definition then please forward it believe met that definition then please forward it to believe met that definition then please forward it to the believe met that definition then please forward it to the Shadow please forward it to the Shadow Leader please forward it to the Shadow Leader of please forward it to the Shadow Leader of the please forward it to the Shadow Leader of the House please forward it to the Shadow Leader of the House or Leader of the House or alternatively, Leader of the House or alternatively, if Leader of the House or alternatively, if that Leader of the House or alternatively, if that wasn't Leader of the House or alternatively, if that wasn't your Leader of the House or alternatively, if that wasn't your - alternatively, if that wasn't your - what alternatively, if that wasn't your - what you alternatively, if that wasn't your - what you wanted alternatively, if that wasn't your - what you wanted to alternatively, if that wasn't your - what you wanted to imply, alternatively, if that wasn't your - what you wanted to imply, could alternatively, if that wasn't your - what you wanted to imply, could we what you wanted to imply, could we have what you wanted to imply, could we have that what you wanted to imply, could we have that clarification what you wanted to imply, could we have that clarification too what you wanted to imply, could we have that clarification too because have that clarification too because I have that clarification too because I think have that clarification too because I think that's have that clarification too because I think that's quite have that clarification too because I think that's quite - have that clarification too because I think that's quite - we have that clarification too because I think that's quite - we are I think that's quite - we are talking I think that's quite - we are talking about I think that's quite - we are talking about subject I think that's quite - we are talking about subject of I think that's quite - we are talking about subject of assessments talking about subject of assessments of talking about subject of assessments of what talking about subject of assessments of what people talking about subject of assessments of what people think talking about subject of assessments of what people think people talking about subject of assessments of what people think people are of what people think people are saying of what people think people are saying and of what people think people are saying and then of what people think people are saying and then the of what people think people are saying and then the offence of what people think people are saying and then the offence that saying and then the offence that they saying and then the offence that they take saying and then the offence that they take from saying and then the offence that they take from it. saying and then the offence that they take from it. 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Now I'm quite willing to not personalised to members. Now I'm quite willing to continue not personalised to members. 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