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Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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Is she concerned that the Supplementary. Is she concerned that the government Supplementary. Is she concerned that the government is Supplementary. Is she concerned that the government is saying Supplementary. 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I wonder whether every member their part backwards by decades. I wonder whether every member of their part backwards by decades. I wonder whether every member of that wonder whether every member of that party wonder whether every member of that party is wonder whether every member of that party is not wonder whether every member of that party is not entirely wonder whether every member of that party is not entirely comfortable party is not entirely comfortable with party is not entirely comfortable with the party is not entirely comfortable with the significant party is not entirely comfortable with the significant repositioning? with the significant repositioning? Has with the significant repositioning? Has the with the significant repositioning? Has the PM with the significant repositioning? Has the PM soon with the significant repositioning? Has the PM soon any with the significant repositioning? Has the PM soon any reports with the significant repositioning? Has the PM soon any reports on with the significant repositioning? Has the PM soon any reports on a Has the PM soon any reports on a water Has the PM soon any reports on a water authority Has the PM soon any reports on a water authority for Has the PM soon any reports on a water authority for the Has the PM soon any reports on a water authority for the South Has the PM soon any reports on a water authority for the South Island water authority for the South Island that water authority for the South Island that gives water authority for the South Island that gives Naitahu water authority for the South Island that gives Naitahu co-ownership water authority for the South Island that gives Naitahu co-ownership of that gives Naitahu co-ownership of water that gives Naitahu co-ownership of water as that gives Naitahu co-ownership of water as allegeded that gives Naitahu co-ownership of water as allegeded by that gives Naitahu co-ownership of water as allegeded by the that gives Naitahu co-ownership of water as allegeded by the Leader that gives Naitahu co-ownership of water as allegeded by the Leader of water as allegeded by the Leader of the water as allegeded by the Leader of the Opposition? water as allegeded by the Leader of the Opposition? 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We will build on this programme by continuing to put the programme by continuing to put the needs programme by continuing to put the needs and programme by continuing to put the needs and wellbeing programme by continuing to put the needs and wellbeing of programme by continuing to put the needs and wellbeing of children programme by continuing to put the needs and wellbeing of children and needs and wellbeing of children and union needs and wellbeing of children and union people needs and wellbeing of children and union people at needs and wellbeing of children and union people at the needs and wellbeing of children and union people at the heart needs and wellbeing of children and union people at the heart of needs and wellbeing of children and union people at the heart of our union people at the heart of our recovery. union people at the heart of our recovery. Supplementary union people at the heart of our recovery. Supplementary question. recovery. Supplementary question. 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Will the government at least double fanning for PHARMAC question. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: My question is to the Minister of Finance: Will My question is to the Minister of Finance: Will the My question is to the Minister of Finance: Will the Government My question is to the Minister of Finance: Will the Government deliver Finance: Will the Government deliver on Finance: Will the Government deliver on all Finance: Will the Government deliver on all of Finance: Will the Government deliver on all of its Finance: Will the Government deliver on all of its past Finance: Will the Government deliver on all of its past Budget on all of its past Budget commitments? The The Hon The Hon Grant The Hon Grant Robertson. The Hon Grant Robertson. Budget The Hon Grant Robertson. Budget 2020/21 The Hon Grant Robertson. Budget 2020/21 securing The Hon Grant Robertson. Budget 2020/21 securing our The Hon Grant Robertson. Budget 2020/21 securing our recovery The Hon Grant Robertson. Budget 2020/21 securing our recovery will 2020/21 securing our recovery will be 2020/21 securing our recovery will be this 2020/21 securing our recovery will be this government 2020/21 securing our recovery will be this government as 2020/21 securing our recovery will be this government as first 2020/21 securing our recovery will be this government as first budget be this government as first budget in be this government as first budget in which be this government as first budget in which we be this government as first budget in which we will be this government as first budget in which we will appropriate be this government as first budget in which we will appropriate the in which we will appropriate the first in which we will appropriate the first budget in which we will appropriate the first budget of in which we will appropriate the first budget of this in which we will appropriate the first budget of this government. in which we will appropriate the first budget of this government. 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Last The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Last week The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Last week the The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Last week the Minister The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Last week the Minister of The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Last week the Minister of Social The Hon Dr Megan Woods. 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We are signalling a shift in the way from the model that shift in the way from the model that was shift in the way from the model that was introduced shift in the way from the model that was introduced under shift in the way from the model that was introduced under the shift in the way from the model that was introduced under the previous was introduced under the previous government was introduced under the previous government by was introduced under the previous government by directly was introduced under the previous government by directly contracting government by directly contracting motels government by directly contracting motels for government by directly contracting motels for emergency government by directly contracting motels for emergency accommodation motels for emergency accommodation and motels for emergency accommodation and boosting motels for emergency accommodation and boosting the motels for emergency accommodation and boosting the support motels for emergency accommodation and boosting the support services. and boosting the support services. 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Alongside these measures, we are Alongside these measures, we are continuing Alongside these measures, we are continuing to Alongside these measures, we are continuing to address Alongside these measures, we are continuing to address the Alongside these measures, we are continuing to address the need Alongside these measures, we are continuing to address the need for continuing to address the need for more continuing to address the need for more permanent continuing to address the need for more permanent accommodation continuing to address the need for more permanent accommodation with more permanent accommodation with our more permanent accommodation with our published more permanent accommodation with our published plans more permanent accommodation with our published plans to more permanent accommodation with our published plans to deliver more permanent accommodation with our published plans to deliver 190 our published plans to deliver 190 additional our published plans to deliver 190 additional public our published plans to deliver 190 additional public houses our published plans to deliver 190 additional public houses in our published plans to deliver 190 additional public houses in Rotorua additional public houses in Rotorua by additional public houses in Rotorua by 2024 additional public houses in Rotorua by 2024 and additional public houses in Rotorua by 2024 and we additional public houses in Rotorua by 2024 and we are additional public houses in Rotorua by 2024 and we are also additional public houses in Rotorua by 2024 and we are also working by 2024 and we are also working alongside by 2024 and we are also working alongside locals by 2024 and we are also working alongside locals to by 2024 and we are also working alongside locals to identify by 2024 and we are also working alongside locals to identify further alongside locals to identify further land alongside locals to identify further land options alongside locals to identify further land options for alongside locals to identify further land options for additional alongside locals to identify further land options for additional public land options for additional public and land options for additional public and transitional land options for additional public and transitional places. and transitional places. 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Mr Speaker, because we will not accept people living on we will not accept people living on the we will not accept people living on the street we will not accept people living on the street or we will not accept people living on the street or children we will not accept people living on the street or children living we will not accept people living on the street or children living in the street or children living in cars. the street or children living in cars. While the street or children living in cars. While we the street or children living in cars. While we do the street or children living in cars. While we do not the street or children living in cars. While we do not see the street or children living in cars. While we do not see motels the street or children living in cars. While we do not see motels as cars. While we do not see motels as a cars. While we do not see motels as a long-term cars. While we do not see motels as a long-term solution cars. 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Can she confirm she received advice from her housing officials advice from her housing officials more advice from her housing officials more than advice from her housing officials more than a advice from her housing officials more than a year advice from her housing officials more than a year ago advice from her housing officials more than a year ago warning advice from her housing officials more than a year ago warning that more than a year ago warning that emergency more than a year ago warning that emergency housing more than a year ago warning that emergency housing in more than a year ago warning that emergency housing in Rotorua more than a year ago warning that emergency housing in Rotorua was emergency housing in Rotorua was creating emergency housing in Rotorua was creating risks emergency housing in Rotorua was creating risks to emergency housing in Rotorua was creating risks to public emergency housing in Rotorua was creating risks to public safety emergency housing in Rotorua was creating risks to public safety and creating risks to public safety and not creating risks to public safety and not providing creating risks to public safety and not providing people creating risks to public safety and not providing people enough creating risks to public safety and not providing people enough support not providing people enough support and, not providing people enough support and, if not providing people enough support and, if so, not providing people enough support and, if so, why not providing people enough support and, if so, why has not providing people enough support and, if so, why has it not providing people enough support and, if so, why has it taken not providing people enough support and, if so, why has it taken her not providing people enough support and, if so, why has it taken her so and, if so, why has it taken her so long and, if so, why has it taken her so long to and, if so, why has it taken her so long to do and, if so, why has it taken her so long to do anything and, if so, why has it taken her so long to do anything about and, if so, why has it taken her so long to do anything about it? and, if so, why has it taken her so long to do anything about it? 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Mr Speaker, in December 2019 I announced a school December 2019 I announced a school investment December 2019 I announced a school investment package December 2019 I announced a school investment package as December 2019 I announced a school investment package as part December 2019 I announced a school investment package as part of December 2019 I announced a school investment package as part of the investment package as part of the government investment package as part of the government as investment package as part of the government as now investment package as part of the government as now upgrade investment package as part of the government as now upgrade programme. government as now upgrade programme. Nearly government as now upgrade programme. Nearly every government as now upgrade programme. Nearly every state government as now upgrade programme. Nearly every state school government as now upgrade programme. Nearly every state school received government as now upgrade programme. 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These projects have helped to keep our projects have helped to keep our economy projects have helped to keep our economy ticking projects have helped to keep our economy ticking over projects have helped to keep our economy ticking over during projects have helped to keep our economy ticking over during a economy ticking over during a challenging economy ticking over during a challenging period. economy ticking over during a challenging period. Why economy ticking over during a challenging period. Why was economy ticking over during a challenging period. Why was it challenging period. Why was it important challenging period. Why was it important for challenging period. Why was it important for the challenging period. Why was it important for the government challenging period. 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Mr Speaker, the package has given every school the ability to given every school the ability to undertake given every school the ability to undertake property given every school the ability to undertake property projects given every school the ability to undertake property projects that undertake property projects that otherwise undertake property projects that otherwise had undertake property projects that otherwise had been undertake property projects that otherwise had been put undertake property projects that otherwise had been put off undertake property projects that otherwise had been put off and undertake property projects that otherwise had been put off and it otherwise had been put off and it came otherwise had been put off and it came alongside otherwise had been put off and it came alongside the otherwise had been put off and it came alongside the significant came alongside the significant funding came alongside the significant funding that came alongside the significant funding that the came alongside the significant funding that the government came alongside the significant funding that the government has came alongside the significant funding that the government has been funding that the government has been investing funding that the government has been investing in funding that the government has been investing in schools. funding that the government has been investing in schools. 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Whanganui intermediate received ago. Whanganui intermediate received $399,861 ago. Whanganui intermediate received $399,861 in ago. Whanganui intermediate received $399,861 in funding ago. Whanganui intermediate received $399,861 in funding and ago. Whanganui intermediate received $399,861 in funding and they ago. 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Supplementary this shows that we have much more work to do. Supplementary question. work to do. Supplementary question. Why work to do. Supplementary question. Why is work to do. Supplementary question. Why is decarbonising work to do. Supplementary question. Why is decarbonising the work to do. Supplementary question. Why is decarbonising the transport Why is decarbonising the transport sector Why is decarbonising the transport sector a Why is decarbonising the transport sector a focus Why is decarbonising the transport sector a focus for Why is decarbonising the transport sector a focus for the Why is decarbonising the transport sector a focus for the government? sector a focus for the government? Mr sector a focus for the government? Mr Speaker, sector a focus for the government? Mr Speaker, tackling sector a focus for the government? Mr Speaker, tackling the sector a focus for the government? 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The transport sector produces 47% of New Zealand's carbon produces 47% of New Zealand's carbon dioxide produces 47% of New Zealand's carbon dioxide emissions produces 47% of New Zealand's carbon dioxide emissions and produces 47% of New Zealand's carbon dioxide emissions and between produces 47% of New Zealand's carbon dioxide emissions and between 1990 dioxide emissions and between 1990 and dioxide emissions and between 1990 and 2018 dioxide emissions and between 1990 and 2018 those dioxide emissions and between 1990 and 2018 those domestic dioxide emissions and between 1990 and 2018 those domestic transport and 2018 those domestic transport emission and 2018 those domestic transport emission increased and 2018 those domestic transport emission increased by and 2018 those domestic transport emission increased by 90%. and 2018 those domestic transport emission increased by 90%. Reaching emission increased by 90%. Reaching New emission increased by 90%. 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Reaching New Zealand as goal of net zero New Zealand as goal of net zero carbon New Zealand as goal of net zero carbon by New Zealand as goal of net zero carbon by 2050 New Zealand as goal of net zero carbon by 2050 would New Zealand as goal of net zero carbon by 2050 would unclog New Zealand as goal of net zero carbon by 2050 would unclog our carbon by 2050 would unclog our cities, carbon by 2050 would unclog our cities, clean carbon by 2050 would unclog our cities, clean up carbon by 2050 would unclog our cities, clean up our carbon by 2050 would unclog our cities, clean up our air, carbon by 2050 would unclog our cities, clean up our air, support cities, clean up our air, support the cities, clean up our air, support the creation cities, clean up our air, support the creation of cities, clean up our air, support the creation of new cities, clean up our air, support the creation of new business cities, clean up our air, support the creation of new business and cities, clean up our air, support the creation of new business and low the creation of new business and low carbon the creation of new business and low carbon industries the creation of new business and low carbon industries and the creation of new business and low carbon industries and create carbon industries and create sustainable carbon industries and create sustainable jobs carbon industries and create sustainable jobs across carbon industries and create sustainable jobs across the carbon industries and create sustainable jobs across the country. sustainable jobs across the country. What sustainable jobs across the country. sustainable sustainable jobs across the country. What are the sustainable jobs across the country. What are the next sustainable jobs across the country. What are the next steps sustainable jobs across the country. What are the next steps in sustainable jobs across the country. What are the next steps in Mr What are the next steps in Mr Speaker, What are the next steps in Mr Speaker, while What are the next steps in Mr Speaker, while the What are the next steps in Mr Speaker, while the pathways What are the next steps in Mr Speaker, while the pathways outlined Speaker, while the pathways outlined are Speaker, while the pathways outlined are not Speaker, while the pathways outlined are not government Speaker, while the pathways outlined are not government policy, Speaker, while the pathways outlined are not government policy, we Speaker, while the pathways outlined are not government policy, we want are not government policy, we want to are not government policy, we want to have are not government policy, we want to have a are not government policy, we want to have a national are not government policy, we want to have a national conversation to have a national conversation about to have a national conversation about the to have a national conversation about the changes to have a national conversation about the changes that to have a national conversation about the changes that with to have a national conversation about the changes that with all to have a national conversation about the changes that with all need about the changes that with all need to about the changes that with all need to make. about the changes that with all need to make. 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We reductions targets without change. We want reductions targets without change. We want to reductions targets without change. We want to hear reductions targets without change. We want to hear from reductions targets without change. We want to hear from New reductions targets without change. We want to hear from New Zealanders We want to hear from New Zealanders over We want to hear from New Zealanders over the We want to hear from New Zealanders over the coming We want to hear from New Zealanders over the coming weeks We want to hear from New Zealanders over the coming weeks on We want to hear from New Zealanders over the coming weeks on the over the coming weeks on the suggestions over the coming weeks on the suggestions and over the coming weeks on the suggestions and I over the coming weeks on the suggestions and I ask over the coming weeks on the suggestions and I ask for over the coming weeks on the suggestions and I ask for all over the coming weeks on the suggestions and I ask for all New suggestions and I ask for all New Zealanders suggestions and I ask for all New Zealanders to suggestions and I ask for all New Zealanders to engage suggestions and I ask for all New Zealanders to engage in suggestions and I ask for all New Zealanders to engage in this Zealanders to engage in this important Zealanders to engage in this important national Zealanders to engage in this important national debate Zealanders to engage in this important national debate with Zealanders to engage in this important national debate with an important national debate with an eye important national debate with an eye to important national debate with an eye to our important national debate with an eye to our shared important national debate with an eye to our shared future, important national debate with an eye to our shared future, not important national debate with an eye to our shared future, not simply eye to our shared future, not simply to eye to our shared future, not simply to the eye to our shared future, not simply to the partisan eye to our shared future, not simply to the partisan politics eye to our shared future, not simply to the partisan politics of eye to our shared future, not simply to the partisan politics of the eye to our shared future, not simply to the partisan politics of the day. to the partisan politics of the day. 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The The Hon The Hon Poto The Hon Poto Williams. The Hon Poto Williams. Thank The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Mr The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Mr Speaker, The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Mr Speaker, it The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Mr Speaker, it would The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Mr Speaker, it would be The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Mr Speaker, it would be more The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. 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