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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. A A petition A petition has A petition has been A petition has been delivered A petition has been delivered to A petition has been delivered to the A petition has been delivered to the clerk A petition has been delivered to the clerk for A petition has been delivered to the clerk for presentation. A petition has been delivered to the clerk for presentation. Petition A petition has been delivered to the clerk for presentation. Petition of clerk for presentation. Petition of request clerk for presentation. Petition of request that clerk for presentation. Petition of request that the clerk for presentation. Petition of request that the House clerk for presentation. Petition of request that the House urge clerk for presentation. 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Question No. 1 is in the name of the Hon to oral questions. Question No. 1 is in the name of the Hon Eugenie to oral questions. Question No. 1 is in the name of the Hon Eugenie Sage. INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Speaker INTERPRETER: Speaker of INTERPRETER: Speaker of the INTERPRETER: Speaker of the House, INTERPRETER: Speaker of the House, thank INTERPRETER: Speaker of the House, thank you. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Oceans My question is to the Minister for Oceans and My question is to the Minister for Oceans and Fisheries: Oceans and Fisheries: Does Oceans and Fisheries: Does he Oceans and Fisheries: Does he stand Oceans and Fisheries: Does he stand by Oceans and Fisheries: Does he stand by his Oceans and Fisheries: Does he stand by his statement Does he stand by his statement in Does he stand by his statement in October Does he stand by his statement in October 2021 Does he stand by his statement in October 2021 that Does he stand by his statement in October 2021 that "We Does he stand by his statement in October 2021 that "We have in October 2021 that "We have ambitions in October 2021 that "We have ambitions to in October 2021 that "We have ambitions to lift in October 2021 that "We have ambitions to lift New in October 2021 that "We have ambitions to lift New Zealand's ambitions to lift New Zealand's marine ambitions to lift New Zealand's marine protected ambitions to lift New Zealand's marine protected area ambitions to lift New Zealand's marine protected area so ambitions to lift New Zealand's marine protected area so that ambitions to lift New Zealand's marine protected area so that we ambitions to lift New Zealand's marine protected area so that we get marine protected area so that we get closer marine protected area so that we get closer to marine protected area so that we get closer to that marine protected area so that we get closer to that 30 marine protected area so that we get closer to that 30 per marine protected area so that we get closer to that 30 per cent"; marine protected area so that we get closer to that 30 per cent"; if marine protected area so that we get closer to that 30 per cent"; if so, closer to that 30 per cent"; if so, when closer to that 30 per cent"; if so, when can closer to that 30 per cent"; if so, when can New closer to that 30 per cent"; if so, when can New Zealanders closer to that 30 per cent"; if so, when can New Zealanders expect when can New Zealanders expect to when can New Zealanders expect to see when can New Zealanders expect to see new when can New Zealanders expect to see new marine when can New Zealanders expect to see new marine protected when can New Zealanders expect to see new marine protected areas to see new marine protected areas established to see new marine protected areas established to to see new marine protected areas established to help to see new marine protected areas established to help us established to help us reach established to help us reach that established to help us reach that target? The The Hon The Hon David The Hon David Parker The Hon David Parker is The Hon David Parker is answering The Hon David Parker is answering remotely. The Hon David Parker is answering remotely. Thank The Hon David Parker is answering remotely. Thank you, The Hon David Parker is answering remotely. Thank you, Mr The Hon David Parker is answering remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Hon David Parker is answering remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is Government remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is Government policy remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is Government policy to remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is Government policy to seek remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is Government policy to seek 30% remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is Government policy to seek 30% of is Government policy to seek 30% of protection is Government policy to seek 30% of protection of is Government policy to seek 30% of protection of marine is Government policy to seek 30% of protection of marine area is Government policy to seek 30% of protection of marine area other protection of marine area other time. protection of marine area other time. I'm protection of marine area other time. I'm working protection of marine area other time. I'm working with protection of marine area other time. I'm working with the protection of marine area other time. I'm working with the Minister time. I'm working with the Minister of time. I'm working with the Minister of Conservation time. I'm working with the Minister of Conservation to time. I'm working with the Minister of Conservation to create time. I'm working with the Minister of Conservation to create 18 time. 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We also remain committed to creating the Tahu wa oceans creating the Tahu wa oceans sanctuary creating the Tahu wa oceans sanctuary to creating the Tahu wa oceans sanctuary to protect creating the Tahu wa oceans sanctuary to protect one creating the Tahu wa oceans sanctuary to protect one of creating the Tahu wa oceans sanctuary to protect one of New sanctuary to protect one of New Zealand's sanctuary to protect one of New Zealand's most sanctuary to protect one of New Zealand's most biodiverse sanctuary to protect one of New Zealand's most biodiverse areas. 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Zealand's most biodiverse areas. <SPEAKS not be appropriate for all marine protected areas. Supplementary. When When can When can we When can we expect When can we expect to When can we expect to see When can we expect to see any When can we expect to see any of When can we expect to see any of those When can we expect to see any of those proposals When can we expect to see any of those proposals actually When can we expect to see any of those proposals actually established those proposals actually established as those proposals actually established as marine those proposals actually established as marine protected those proposals actually established as marine protected areas? those proposals actually established as marine protected areas? Decisions as marine protected areas? Decisions in as marine protected areas? Decisions in respect as marine protected areas? Decisions in respect of as marine protected areas? Decisions in respect of the as marine protected areas? Decisions in respect of the Haraki as marine protected areas? Decisions in respect of the Haraki gulf as marine protected areas? 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Supplementary. that are expected to be made later this year. Supplementary. What that are expected to be made later this year. Supplementary. What steps this year. Supplementary. What steps is this year. Supplementary. What steps is he this year. Supplementary. What steps is he taking this year. Supplementary. What steps is he taking to this year. Supplementary. What steps is he taking to give this year. Supplementary. What steps is he taking to give effect this year. Supplementary. What steps is he taking to give effect to this year. Supplementary. What steps is he taking to give effect to the is he taking to give effect to the kai is he taking to give effect to the kai tanga is he taking to give effect to the kai tanga of is he taking to give effect to the kai tanga of hapu is he taking to give effect to the kai tanga of hapu and is he taking to give effect to the kai tanga of hapu and iwi is he taking to give effect to the kai tanga of hapu and iwi such is he taking to give effect to the kai tanga of hapu and iwi such as kai tanga of hapu and iwi such as Ngati kai tanga of hapu and iwi such as Ngati Kuri kai tanga of hapu and iwi such as Ngati Kuri and kai tanga of hapu and iwi such as Ngati Kuri and the kai tanga of hapu and iwi such as Ngati Kuri and the marine Ngati Kuri and the marine environment Ngati Kuri and the marine environment including Ngati Kuri and the marine environment including around Ngati Kuri and the marine environment including around rang environment including around rang Tahu environment including around rang Tahu wa. environment including around rang Tahu wa. Mr environment including around rang Tahu wa. Mr Speaker, environment including around rang Tahu wa. Mr Speaker, there environment including around rang Tahu wa. Mr Speaker, there has environment including around rang Tahu wa. Mr Speaker, there has been Tahu wa. Mr Speaker, there has been engagement Tahu wa. Mr Speaker, there has been engagement with Tahu wa. Mr Speaker, there has been engagement with all Tahu wa. Mr Speaker, there has been engagement with all Maori Tahu wa. Mr Speaker, there has been engagement with all Maori - engagement with all Maori - interested engagement with all Maori - interested Maori engagement with all Maori - interested Maori groupings interested Maori groupings throughout interested Maori groupings throughout the interested Maori groupings throughout the course interested Maori groupings throughout the course of interested Maori groupings throughout the course of the interested Maori groupings throughout the course of the last throughout the course of the last four throughout the course of the last four years throughout the course of the last four years since throughout the course of the last four years since we throughout the course of the last four years since we tried throughout the course of the last four years since we tried to throughout the course of the last four years since we tried to bring four years since we tried to bring to four years since we tried to bring to fruition four years since we tried to bring to fruition the four years since we tried to bring to fruition the Rangi four years since we tried to bring to fruition the Rangi Tahu four years since we tried to bring to fruition the Rangi Tahu wa to fruition the Rangi Tahu wa to fruition the Rangi Tahu wa to fruition the Rangi Tahu wa Kermadec protection to fruition the Rangi Tahu wa Kermadec protection issue. to fruition the Rangi Tahu wa Kermadec protection issue. It's to fruition the Rangi Tahu wa Kermadec protection issue. It's not Kermadec protection issue. It's not constant Kermadec protection issue. It's not constant with Kermadec protection issue. It's not constant with all Kermadec protection issue. It's not constant with all iwi Kermadec protection issue. It's not constant with all iwi all Kermadec protection issue. It's not constant with all iwi all of Kermadec protection issue. It's not constant with all iwi all of the constant with all iwi all of the time, constant with all iwi all of the time, but constant with all iwi all of the time, but I constant with all iwi all of the time, but I am constant with all iwi all of the time, but I am aware constant with all iwi all of the time, but I am aware that constant with all iwi all of the time, but I am aware that another time, but I am aware that another round time, but I am aware that another round of time, but I am aware that another round of consultation time, but I am aware that another round of consultation is time, but I am aware that another round of consultation is about time, but I am aware that another round of consultation is about to round of consultation is about to take round of consultation is about to take place. round of consultation is about to take place. Supplementary. round of consultation is about to take place. Supplementary. Will take place. Supplementary. Will increasing take place. Supplementary. Will increasing the take place. Supplementary. Will increasing the extent take place. Supplementary. Will increasing the extent of take place. Supplementary. Will increasing the extent of marine increasing the extent of marine protected increasing the extent of marine protected areas increasing the extent of marine protected areas in increasing the extent of marine protected areas in New increasing the extent of marine protected areas in New Zealand protected areas in New Zealand waters protected areas in New Zealand waters include protected areas in New Zealand waters include banning protected areas in New Zealand waters include banning bottom waters include banning bottom trawling waters include banning bottom trawling on waters include banning bottom trawling on sea waters include banning bottom trawling on sea mounts waters include banning bottom trawling on sea mounts and waters include banning bottom trawling on sea mounts and if waters include banning bottom trawling on sea mounts and if not trawling on sea mounts and if not why trawling on sea mounts and if not trawling trawling on sea mounts and if not why not? 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Well, I suppose if the member was - wished to include member was - wished to include reduction member was - wished to include reduction in member was - wished to include reduction in the member was - wished to include reduction in the scope member was - wished to include reduction in the scope of member was - wished to include reduction in the scope of areas reduction in the scope of areas which reduction in the scope of areas which are reduction in the scope of areas which are subject reduction in the scope of areas which are subject to reduction in the scope of areas which are subject to bottom which are subject to bottom trawling, which are subject to bottom trawling, the which are subject to bottom trawling, the percentage which are subject to bottom trawling, the percentage that which are subject to bottom trawling, the percentage that would trawling, the percentage that would be trawling, the percentage that would be called trawling, the percentage that would be called marine trawling, the percentage that would be called marine protected trawling, the percentage that would be called marine protected area trawling, the percentage that would be called marine protected area in be called marine protected area in the be called marine protected area in the Hauraki be called marine protected area in the Hauraki gulf be called marine protected area in the Hauraki gulf will be called marine protected area in the Hauraki gulf will be be called marine protected area in the Hauraki gulf will be much be called marine protected area in the Hauraki gulf will be much higher the Hauraki gulf will be much higher than the Hauraki gulf will be much higher than the the Hauraki gulf will be much higher than the 18% the Hauraki gulf will be much higher than the 18% I the Hauraki gulf will be much higher than the 18% I had the Hauraki gulf will be much higher than the 18% I had already the Hauraki gulf will be much higher than the 18% I had already claimed. than the 18% I had already claimed. In than the 18% I had already claimed. In respect than the 18% I had already claimed. In respect of than the 18% I had already claimed. In respect of the than the 18% I had already claimed. In respect of the effects than the 18% I had already claimed. In respect of the effects of than the 18% I had already claimed. 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Supplementary. environmental groups to advance those issues. Supplementary. Does environmental groups to advance those issues. Supplementary. Does he those issues. Supplementary. Does he stand those issues. Supplementary. Does he stand by those issues. Supplementary. Does he stand by the those issues. Supplementary. Does he stand by the Government's those issues. Supplementary. Does he stand by the Government's oceans those issues. Supplementary. Does he stand by the Government's oceans and stand by the Government's oceans and fisheries stand by the Government's oceans and fisheries work stand by the Government's oceans and fisheries work programme stand by the Government's oceans and fisheries work programme when stand by the Government's oceans and fisheries work programme when there fisheries work programme when there has fisheries work programme when there has been fisheries work programme when there has been no fisheries work programme when there has been no apparent fisheries work programme when there has been no apparent progress has been no apparent progress establishing has been no apparent progress establishing new has been no apparent progress establishing new marine has been no apparent progress establishing new marine protection establishing new marine protection around establishing new marine protection around Rangi establishing new marine protection around Rangi Tahu establishing new marine protection around Rangi Tahu wa, establishing new marine protection around Rangi Tahu wa, the establishing new marine protection around Rangi Tahu wa, the Kermadec, around Rangi Tahu wa, the Kermadec, or around Rangi Tahu wa, the Kermadec, or on around Rangi Tahu wa, the Kermadec, or on the around Rangi Tahu wa, the Kermadec, or on the south around Rangi Tahu wa, the Kermadec, or on the south island's around Rangi Tahu wa, the Kermadec, or on the south island's Southeast or on the south island's Southeast Coast, or on the south island's Southeast Coast, both or on the south island's Southeast Coast, both of or on the south island's Southeast Coast, both of which or on the south island's Southeast Coast, both of which are or on the south island's Southeast Coast, both of which are listed or on the south island's Southeast Coast, both of which are listed as Coast, both of which are listed as key Coast, both of which are listed as key items Coast, both of which are listed as key items in Coast, both of which are listed as key items in that Coast, both of which are listed as key items in that initial Coast, both of which are listed as key items in that initial work key items in that initial work programme? key items in that initial work programme? And key items in that initial work programme? And if key items in that initial work programme? And if he key items in that initial work programme? And if he stands key items in that initial work programme? And if he stands by key items in that initial work programme? And if he stands by that programme? And if he stands by that work programme? And if he stands by that work programme, programme? And if he stands by that work programme, why? programme? And if he stands by that work programme, why? It's programme? And if he stands by that work programme, why? It's not work programme, why? It's not correct work programme, why? It's not work work programme, why? It's not correct that no work programme, why? It's not correct that no progress work programme, why? It's not correct that no progress has work programme, why? It's not correct that no progress has been correct that no progress has been made. correct that no progress has been made. Supplementary. correct that no progress has been made. Supplementary. Will correct that no progress has been made. Supplementary. Will he correct that no progress has been made. Supplementary. Will he commit made. Supplementary. Will he commit to made. Supplementary. Will he commit to establishing made. Supplementary. Will he commit to establishing new made. Supplementary. Will he commit to establishing new marine to establishing new marine protectioned to establishing new marine protectioned areas to establishing new marine protectioned areas at to establishing new marine protectioned areas at Rangi to establishing new marine protectioned areas at Rangi Tahua protectioned areas at Rangi Tahua and protectioned areas at Rangi Tahua and to protectioned areas at Rangi Tahua and to south protectioned areas at Rangi Tahua and to south island's protectioned areas at Rangi Tahua and to south island's Southeast and to south island's Southeast Coast and to south island's Southeast Coast by and to south island's Southeast Coast by the and to south island's Southeast Coast by the end and to south island's Southeast Coast by the end of and to south island's Southeast Coast by the end of the and to south island's Southeast Coast by the end of the current Coast by the end of the current Parliamentary Coast by the end of the current Parliamentary term? Coast by the end of the current Parliamentary term? We're Coast by the end of the current Parliamentary term? We're doing Coast by the end of the current Parliamentary term? We're doing our Parliamentary term? We're doing our utmost Parliamentary term? We're doing our utmost to Parliamentary term? We're doing our utmost to achieve Parliamentary term? We're doing our utmost to achieve that. Parliamentary term? We're doing our utmost to achieve that. Question Parliamentary term? We're doing our utmost to achieve that. Question No. utmost to achieve that. Question No. 2. utmost to achieve that. Question No. 2. Christopher utmost to achieve that. Question No. 2. Christopher Luxon utmost to achieve that. Question No. 2. Christopher Luxon who utmost to achieve that. Question No. 2. Christopher Luxon who is 2. Christopher Luxon who is participating 2. Christopher Luxon who is participating remotely. 2. Christopher Luxon who is participating remotely. Thank 2. Christopher Luxon who is participating remotely. Thank you, participating remotely. Thank you, Mr participating remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Prime My question is to the Prime Minister: Minister: Does Minister: Does she Minister: Does she stand Minister: Does she stand by Minister: Does she stand by her Minister: Does she stand by her statement, Does she stand by her statement, "The Does she stand by her statement, "The debate Does she stand by her statement, "The debate is Does she stand by her statement, "The debate is not Does she stand by her statement, "The debate is not whether Does she stand by her statement, "The debate is not whether inflation "The debate is not whether inflation has "The debate is not whether inflation has increased "The debate is not whether inflation has increased and "The debate is not whether inflation has increased and is has increased and is impacting has increased and is impacting people. impacting people. The impacting people. The debate impacting people. The debate is impacting people. The debate is what impacting people. The debate is what we impacting people. The debate is what we should The debate is what we should do The debate is what we should do about The debate is what we should do about it"; The debate is what we should do about it"; if The debate is what we should do about it"; if so, do about it"; if so, will do about it"; if so, will she do about it"; if so, will she adjust do about it"; if so, will she adjust the do about it"; if so, will she adjust the income do about it"; if so, will she adjust the income tax will she adjust the income tax brackets will she adjust the income tax brackets to will she adjust the income tax brackets to account will she adjust the income tax brackets to account for will she adjust the income tax brackets to account for the will she adjust the income tax brackets to account for the last brackets to account for the last four brackets to account for the last four years brackets to account for the last four years of brackets to account for the last four years of inflation? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, I Mr Speaker, I do Mr Speaker, I do stand Mr Speaker, I do stand by Mr Speaker, I do stand by the Mr Speaker, I do stand by the statement. Mr Speaker, I do stand by the statement. I Mr Speaker, I do stand by the statement. I also Mr Speaker, I do stand by the statement. I also said Mr Speaker, I do stand by the statement. I also said quote, Mr Speaker, I do stand by the statement. I also said quote, "The statement. I also said quote, "The opposition statement. I also said quote, "The opposition has statement. I also said quote, "The opposition has proposed statement. I also said quote, "The opposition has proposed cuts statement. I also said quote, "The opposition has proposed cuts to statement. I also said quote, "The opposition has proposed cuts to the opposition has proposed cuts to the top four opposition has proposed cuts to the top tax four opposition has proposed cuts to the top tax rate four opposition has proposed cuts to the top tax rate and four opposition has proposed cuts to the top tax rate and getting four opposition has proposed cuts to the top tax rate and getting rid four opposition has proposed cuts to the top tax rate and getting rid of four top tax rate and getting rid of policies four top tax rate and getting rid of policies to four top tax rate and getting rid of policies to help four top tax rate and getting rid of policies to help first four top tax rate and getting rid of policies to help first home four top tax rate and getting rid of policies to help first home buyers. four policies to help first home buyers. We four policies to help first home buyers. We on four policies to help first home buyers. We on the four policies to help first home buyers. We on the other four policies to help first home buyers. We on the other hand four policies to help first home buyers. We on the other hand have four policies to help first home buyers. We on the other hand have worked four We on the other hand have worked consistently four We on the other hand have worked consistently to four We on the other hand have worked consistently to increase four We on the other hand have worked consistently to increase focus four consistently to increase focus support four consistently to increase focus support for four consistently to increase focus support for lower four consistently to increase focus support for lower middle four consistently to increase focus support for lower middle income four support for lower middle income earners, four support for lower middle income earners, that's four support for lower middle income earners, that's why four support for lower middle income earners, that's why we four support for lower middle income earners, that's why we have four support for lower middle income earners, that's why we have overseen four earners, that's why we have overseen a four earners, that's why we have overseen a $5 four earners, that's why we have overseen a $5 increase four earners, that's why we have overseen a $5 increase in four earners, that's why we have overseen a $5 increase in the four earners, that's why we have overseen a $5 increase in the minimum four earners, that's why we have overseen a $5 increase in the minimum wage four a $5 increase in the minimum wage benefitting four a $5 increase in the minimum wage benefitting around four a $5 increase in the minimum wage benefitting around 300,000 four a $5 increase in the minimum wage benefitting around 300,000 workers. four benefitting around 300,000 workers. We four benefitting around 300,000 workers. We have four benefitting around 300,000 workers. We have increased four benefitting around 300,000 workers. We have increased working four benefitting around 300,000 workers. We have increased working with four We have increased working with families four We have increased working with families which four We have increased working with families which will four We have increased working with families which will make four We have increased working with families which will make 346,000 four families which will make 346,000 families four families which will make 346,000 families better. four families which will make 346,000 families better. We four families which will make 346,000 families better. We created four families which will make 346,000 families better. We created the four families better. We created the winter four families better. We created the winter energy four families better. We created the winter energy payments four families better. We created the winter energy payments starting four winter energy payments starting again four winter energy payments starting again from four winter energy payments starting again from 1 four winter energy payments starting again from 1 May four winter energy payments starting again from 1 May benefitting four winter energy payments starting again from 1 May benefitting over four winter energy payments starting again from 1 May benefitting over a four again from 1 May benefitting over a million four again from 1 May benefitting over a million New four again from 1 May benefitting over a million New Zealanders four again from 1 May benefitting over a million New Zealanders during four again from 1 May benefitting over a million New Zealanders during the four million New Zealanders during the winter four million New Zealanders during the winter months. four million New Zealanders during the winter months. We four million New Zealanders during the winter months. We made four million New Zealanders during the winter months. We made the four million New Zealanders during the winter months. We made the largest four winter months. We made the largest across four winter months. We made the largest across the four winter months. We made the largest across the board four winter months. We made the largest across the board increases four winter months. We made the largest across the board increases and four across the board increases and benefit four across the board increases and benefit incomes four across the board increases and benefit incomes since four across the board increases and benefit incomes since the four across the board increases and benefit incomes since the 1940s four across the board increases and benefit incomes since the 1940s and four benefit incomes since the 1940s and increased four benefit incomes since the 1940s and increased the four benefit incomes since the 1940s and increased the pay four benefit incomes since the 1940s and increased the pay of four benefit incomes since the 1940s and increased the pay of new four benefit incomes since the 1940s and increased the pay of new police four increased the pay of new police officers four increased the pay of new police officers by four increased the pay of new police officers by 19% four increased the pay of new police officers by 19% since four increased the pay of new police officers by 19% since 2017, four increased the pay of new police officers by 19% since 2017, 1% four increased the pay of new police officers by 19% since 2017, 1% for four officers by 19% since 2017, 1% for primary four officers by 19% since 2017, 1% for primary teachers four officers by 19% since 2017, 1% for primary teachers and four officers by 19% since 2017, 1% for primary teachers and 21% four officers by 19% since 2017, 1% for primary teachers and 21% for four officers by 19% since 2017, 1% for primary teachers and 21% for new four primary teachers and 21% for new nurses." four primary teachers and 21% for new nurses." Our four primary teachers and 21% for new nurses." Our Government four primary teachers and 21% for new nurses." Our Government is four primary teachers and 21% for new nurses." Our Government is choosing four nurses." Our Government is choosing to four nurses." Our Government is choosing to target four nurses." Our Government is choosing to target support four nurses." Our Government is choosing to target support to four nurses." Our Government is choosing to target support to those four nurses." Our Government is choosing to target support to those on four nurses." Our Government is choosing to target support to those on low four to target support to those on low and four to target support to those on low and middle four to target support to those on low and middle incomes four to target support to those on low and middle incomes who four to target support to those on low and middle incomes who need four to target support to those on low and middle incomes who need the four to target support to those on low and middle incomes who need the help four and middle incomes who need the help the four and middle incomes who need the help the most four and middle incomes who need the help the most through four and middle incomes who need the help the most through what four and middle incomes who need the help the most through what - four and middle incomes who need the help the most through what - raising four the most through what - raising wages four the most through what - raising wages and four the most through what - raising wages and increasing four the most through what - raising wages and increasing support. four wages and increasing support. Families four wages and increasing support. Families earning four wages and increasing support. Families earning between four wages and increasing support. Families earning between 40,000 four wages and increasing support. Families earning between 40,000 and four Families earning between 40,000 and 70,000 four Families earning between 40,000 and 70,000 will four Families earning between 40,000 and 70,000 will benefit four Families earning between 40,000 and 70,000 will benefit by four Families earning between 40,000 and 70,000 will benefit by an four Families earning between 40,000 and 70,000 will benefit by an average four Families earning between 40,000 and 70,000 will benefit by an average of four 70,000 will benefit by an average of $21 four 70,000 will benefit by an average of $21 per four 70,000 will benefit by an average of $21 per week four 70,000 will benefit by an average of $21 per week through four 70,000 will benefit by an average of $21 per week through our four 70,000 will benefit by an average of $21 per week through our proposed four $21 per week through our proposed increase four $21 per week through our proposed increase in four $21 per week through our proposed increase in the four $21 per week through our proposed increase in the family four $21 per week through our proposed increase in the family tax four $21 per week through our proposed increase in the family tax credit four increase in the family tax credit rather four increase in the family tax credit rather than four increase in the family tax credit rather than the four increase in the family tax credit rather than the opposition's four rather than the opposition's proposal four rather than the opposition's proposal to four rather than the opposition's proposal to cut four rather than the opposition's proposal to cut taxes four rather than the opposition's proposal to cut taxes for four rather than the opposition's proposal to cut taxes for property four proposal to cut taxes for property speculators four proposal to cut taxes for property speculators and four proposal to cut taxes for property speculators and the four proposal to cut taxes for property speculators and the highest four proposal to cut taxes for property speculators and the highest earners. four speculators and the highest earners. Supplementary. four speculators and the highest earners. Supplementary. Does four speculators and the highest earners. Supplementary. Does she four speculators and the highest earners. Supplementary. Does she accept four speculators and the highest earners. Supplementary. Does she accept that four Supplementary. Does she accept that with four Supplementary. Does she accept that with prices four Supplementary. Does she accept that with prices rising four Supplementary. Does she accept that with prices rising twice four Supplementary. Does she accept that with prices rising twice as four Supplementary. Does she accept that with prices rising twice as fast four Supplementary. Does she accept that with prices rising twice as fast as four with prices rising twice as fast as wages, four with prices rising twice as fast as wages, it's four with prices rising twice as fast as wages, it's clear four with prices rising twice as fast as wages, it's clear we four with prices rising twice as fast as wages, it's clear we have four with prices rising twice as fast as wages, it's clear we have a four with prices rising twice as fast as wages, it's clear we have a cost four with prices rising twice as fast as wages, it's clear we have a cost of four wages, it's clear we have a cost of living four wages, it's clear we have a cost of living crisis four wages, it's clear we have a cost of living crisis under four wages, it's clear we have a cost of living crisis under her four wages, it's clear we have a cost of living crisis under her Government four living crisis under her Government in four living crisis under her Government in New four living crisis under her Government in New Zealand? four living crisis under her Government in New Zealand? Mr four living crisis under her Government in New Zealand? Mr Speaker, four living crisis under her Government in New Zealand? Mr Speaker, as four living crisis under her Government in New Zealand? Mr Speaker, as I four in New Zealand? Mr Speaker, as I have four in New Zealand? Mr Speaker, as I have sad four in New Zealand? Mr Speaker, as I have sad consistently four in New Zealand? Mr Speaker, as I have sad consistently answered four in New Zealand? Mr Speaker, as I have sad consistently answered in four have sad consistently answered in this four have sad consistently answered in this House, four have sad consistently answered in this House, from four have sad consistently answered in this House, from the four have sad consistently answered in this House, from the moment four have sad consistently answered in this House, from the moment we four have sad consistently answered in this House, from the moment we took four this House, from the moment we took office, four this House, from the moment we took office, we four this House, from the moment we took office, we worked four this House, from the moment we took office, we worked very four this House, from the moment we took office, we worked very hard four this House, from the moment we took office, we worked very hard to four office, we worked very hard to ensure four office, we worked very hard to ensure that four office, we worked very hard to ensure that we four office, we worked very hard to ensure that we saw four office, we worked very hard to ensure that we saw wages four office, we worked very hard to ensure that we saw wages increase four office, we worked very hard to ensure that we saw wages increase at four ensure that we saw wages increase at a four ensure that we saw wages increase at a faster four ensure that we saw wages increase at a faster rate four ensure that we saw wages increase at a faster rate than four ensure that we saw wages increase at a faster rate than inflation four ensure that we saw wages increase at a faster rate than inflation and four ensure that we saw wages increase at a faster rate than inflation and we four a faster rate than inflation and we did four a faster rate than inflation and we did that. four a faster rate than inflation and we did that. 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Right now, though, I absolutely accept that New Zealand four absolutely accept that New Zealand alongside four absolutely accept that New Zealand alongside the four absolutely accept that New Zealand alongside the UK, four absolutely accept that New Zealand alongside the UK, alongside four absolutely accept that New Zealand alongside the UK, alongside the four alongside the UK, alongside the United four alongside the UK, alongside the United States, four alongside the UK, alongside the United States, Scotland, four alongside the UK, alongside the United States, Scotland, Ireland, four United States, Scotland, Ireland, all four United States, Scotland, Ireland, all reporting four United States, Scotland, Ireland, all reporting the four United States, Scotland, Ireland, all reporting the impact four United States, Scotland, Ireland, all reporting the impact of four United States, Scotland, Ireland, all reporting the impact of the four all reporting the impact of the increase four all reporting the impact of the increase in four all reporting the impact of the increase in the four all reporting the impact of the increase in the cost four all reporting the impact of the increase in the cost of four all reporting the impact of the increase in the cost of living four all reporting the impact of the increase in the cost of living as four all reporting the impact of the increase in the cost of living as a four increase in the cost of living as a result four increase in the cost of living as a result of four increase in the cost of living as a result of an four increase in the cost of living as a result of an increase four increase in the cost of living as a result of an increase in four increase in the cost of living as a result of an increase in inflation four result of an increase in inflation and four result of an increase in inflation and add four result of an increase in inflation and add to four result of an increase in inflation and add to that four result of an increase in inflation and add to that the four result of an increase in inflation and add to that the war four result of an increase in inflation and add to that the war in four result of an increase in inflation and add to that the war in Ukraine four and add to that the war in Ukraine which four and add to that the war in Ukraine which is four and add to that the war in Ukraine which is putting four and add to that the war in Ukraine which is putting pressure four and add to that the war in Ukraine which is putting pressure on four and add to that the war in Ukraine which is putting pressure on energy four which is putting pressure on energy prices. four which is putting pressure on energy prices. So four which is putting pressure on energy prices. So we're four which is putting pressure on energy prices. So we're all four which is putting pressure on energy prices. So we're all experiencing four prices. So we're all experiencing that. four prices. So we're all experiencing that. The four prices. So we're all experiencing that. The debate four prices. So we're all experiencing that. The debate we're four prices. So we're all experiencing that. The debate we're having four prices. So we're all experiencing that. The debate we're having in four that. The debate we're having in this four that. The debate we're having in this House four that. The debate we're having in this House is four that. The debate we're having in this House is whether four that. The debate we're having in this House is whether or four that. The debate we're having in this House is whether or not four that. The debate we're having in this House is whether or not a four that. The debate we're having in this House is whether or not a cut four this House is whether or not a cut to four this House is whether or not a cut to the four this House is whether or not a cut to the top four this House is whether or not a cut to the top tax four this House is whether or not a cut to the top tax rate four this House is whether or not a cut to the top tax rate as four this House is whether or not a cut to the top tax rate as is four this House is whether or not a cut to the top tax rate as is member four this House is whether or not a cut to the top tax rate as is member is four to the top tax rate as is member is proposing four to the top tax rate as is member is proposing which four to the top tax rate as is member is proposing which would four to the top tax rate as is member is proposing which would come four to the top tax rate as is member is proposing which would come at four to the top tax rate as is member is proposing which would come at a four to the top tax rate as is member is proposing which would come at a cost four proposing which would come at a cost of four proposing which would come at a cost of $600 four proposing which would come at a cost of $600 million four proposing which would come at a cost of $600 million is four proposing which would come at a cost of $600 million is the four proposing which would come at a cost of $600 million is the answer four proposing which would come at a cost of $600 million is the answer or four of $600 million is the answer or whether four of $600 million is the answer or whether or four of $600 million is the answer or whether or not, four of $600 million is the answer or whether or not, as four of $600 million is the answer or whether or not, as we four of $600 million is the answer or whether or not, as we propose, four whether or not, as we propose, continuing four whether or not, as we propose, continuing to four whether or not, as we propose, continuing to support four whether or not, as we propose, continuing to support lower four whether or not, as we propose, continuing to support lower and four continuing to support lower and middle four continuing to support lower and middle income four continuing to support lower and middle income earners four continuing to support lower and middle income earners across four continuing to support lower and middle income earners across a four continuing to support lower and middle income earners across a range four middle income earners across a range of four middle income earners across a range of areas four middle income earners across a range of areas is four middle income earners across a range of areas is the four middle income earners across a range of areas is the answer. Supplementary, Supplementary, how Supplementary, how does Supplementary, how does she Supplementary, how does she reconcile Supplementary, how does she reconcile her Supplementary, how does she reconcile her claim Supplementary, how does she reconcile her claim that Supplementary, how does she reconcile her claim that she's Supplementary, how does she reconcile her claim that she's just reconcile her claim that she's just made reconcile her claim that she's just made that reconcile her claim that she's just made that wages reconcile her claim that she's just made that wages have reconcile her claim that she's just made that wages have grown reconcile her claim that she's just made that wages have grown faster made that wages have grown faster than made that wages have grown faster than prices made that wages have grown faster than prices under made that wages have grown faster than prices under Labour made that wages have grown faster than prices under Labour when than prices under Labour when actually than prices under Labour when actually since than prices under Labour when actually since she than prices under Labour when actually since she became than prices under Labour when actually since she became Prime actually since she became Prime Minister, actually since she became Prime Minister, we actually since she became Prime Minister, we have actually since she became Prime Minister, we have had actually since she became Prime Minister, we have had total Minister, we have had total inflation Minister, we have had total inflation of Minister, we have had total inflation of 11.5%, Minister, we have had total inflation of 11.5%, total Minister, we have had total inflation of 11.5%, total wage inflation of 11.5%, total wage growth inflation of 11.5%, total wage growth of inflation of 11.5%, total wage growth of less inflation of 11.5%, total wage growth of less than inflation of 11.5%, total wage growth of less than 9%? inflation of 11.5%, total wage growth of less than 9%? Mr inflation of 11.5%, total wage growth of less than 9%? Mr Speaker, growth of less than 9%? Mr Speaker, because growth of less than 9%? Mr Speaker, because since growth of less than 9%? Mr Speaker, because since quarter growth of less than 9%? Mr Speaker, because since quarter one growth of less than 9%? Mr Speaker, because since quarter one of growth of less than 9%? Mr Speaker, because since quarter one of 2018, because since quarter one of 2018, wages because since quarter one of 2018, wages have because since quarter one of 2018, wages have increased because since quarter one of 2018, wages have increased at because since quarter one of 2018, wages have increased at an because since quarter one of 2018, wages have increased at an average wages have increased at an average annual wages have increased at an average annual rate wages have increased at an average annual rate of wages have increased at an average annual rate of 3.5% wages have increased at an average annual rate of 3.5% and wages have increased at an average annual rate of 3.5% and CPI annual rate of 3.5% and CPI inflation annual rate of 3.5% and CPI inflation has annual rate of 3.5% and CPI inflation has averaged annual rate of 3.5% and CPI inflation has averaged 2.2% annual rate of 3.5% and CPI inflation has averaged 2.2% over annual rate of 3.5% and CPI inflation has averaged 2.2% over the inflation has averaged 2.2% over the same inflation has averaged 2.2% over the same period. inflation has averaged 2.2% over the same period. Mr inflation has averaged 2.2% over the same period. Mr Speaker, inflation has averaged 2.2% over the same period. Mr Speaker, what inflation has averaged 2.2% over the same period. Mr Speaker, what we, inflation has averaged 2.2% over the same period. Mr Speaker, what we, of same period. Mr Speaker, what we, of course, same period. Mr Speaker, what we, of course, are same period. Mr Speaker, what we, of course, are acknowledging same period. Mr Speaker, what we, of course, are acknowledging the course, are acknowledging the experience course, are acknowledging the experience we're course, are acknowledging the experience we're having course, are acknowledging the experience we're having right course, are acknowledging the experience we're having right now course, are acknowledging the experience we're having right now as experience we're having right now as a experience we're having right now as a result experience we're having right now as a result of experience we're having right now as a result of the experience we're having right now as a result of the simultaneous experience we're having right now as a result of the simultaneous COVID a result of the simultaneous COVID recovery a result of the simultaneous COVID recovery that a result of the simultaneous COVID recovery that is a result of the simultaneous COVID recovery that is going a result of the simultaneous COVID recovery that is going on a result of the simultaneous COVID recovery that is going on around a result of the simultaneous COVID recovery that is going on around the recovery that is going on around the world, recovery that is going on around the world, the recovery that is going on around the world, the extra recovery that is going on around the world, the extra demand, recovery that is going on around the world, the extra demand, the world, the extra demand, the shortages world, the extra demand, the shortages and world, the extra demand, the shortages and supply, world, the extra demand, the shortages and supply, supply shortages and supply, supply constraints shortages and supply, supply constraints and shortages and supply, supply constraints and add shortages and supply, supply constraints and add to shortages and supply, supply constraints and add to that shortages and supply, supply constraints and add to that a shortages and supply, supply constraints and add to that a war shortages and supply, supply constraints and add to that a war is constraints and add to that a war is causing constraints and add to that a war is causing a constraints and add to that a war is causing a range constraints and add to that a war is causing a range of constraints and add to that a war is causing a range of pressures constraints and add to that a war is causing a range of pressures for causing a range of pressures for households. causing a range of pressures for households. Mr causing a range of pressures for households. Mr Speaker, causing a range of pressures for households. Mr Speaker, we causing a range of pressures for households. Mr Speaker, we are households. Mr Speaker, we are committed households. Mr Speaker, we are committed to households. Mr Speaker, we are committed to continuing households. Mr Speaker, we are committed to continuing to households. Mr Speaker, we are committed to continuing to try households. Mr Speaker, we are committed to continuing to try to committed to continuing to try to ease committed to continuing to try to ease that committed to continuing to try to ease that pressure. committed to continuing to try to ease that pressure. The committed to continuing to try to ease that pressure. The first committed to continuing to try to ease that pressure. The first of ease that pressure. The first of April, ease that pressure. The first of April, you ease that pressure. The first of April, you see ease that pressure. 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We want to support our lower and middle income families our lower and middle income families on our lower and middle income families on that our lower and middle income families on that side our lower and middle income families on that side of our lower and middle income families on that side of the our lower and middle income families on that side of the house our lower and middle income families on that side of the house they our lower and middle income families on that side of the house they want on that side of the house they want tax on that side of the house they want tax cuts on that side of the house they want tax cuts for on that side of the house they want tax cuts for those on that side of the house they want tax cuts for those who on that side of the house they want tax cuts for those who are on that side of the house they want tax cuts for those who are on on that side of the house they want tax cuts for those who are on the tax cuts for those who are on the wealthier tax cuts for those who are on the wealthier brackets. tax cuts for those who are on the wealthier brackets. My tax cuts for those who are on the wealthier brackets. My message tax cuts for those who are on the wealthier brackets. My message to wealthier brackets. My message to those wealthier brackets. My message to those families, wealthier brackets. My message to those families, Mr wealthier brackets. My message to those families, Mr Speaker, wealthier brackets. 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Question in office because he has a massive fiscal hole. Question No. in office because he has a massive fiscal hole. Question No. 3. Kia Kia ora, Kia ora, Mr Kia ora, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: What Finance: What recent Finance: What recent reports Finance: What recent reports has Finance: What recent reports has he Finance: What recent reports has he seen What recent reports has he seen on What recent reports has he seen on the What recent reports has he seen on the New What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, the Mr Speaker, the construction Mr Speaker, the construction sector Mr Speaker, the construction sector is Mr Speaker, the construction sector is continuing Mr Speaker, the construction sector is continuing to Mr Speaker, the construction sector is continuing to support Mr Speaker, the construction sector is continuing to support the is continuing to support the economy. is continuing to support the economy. Yesterday is continuing to support the economy. Yesterday Statistics is continuing to support the economy. Yesterday Statistics NZ economy. Yesterday Statistics NZ reported economy. Yesterday Statistics NZ reported the economy. Yesterday Statistics NZ reported the volume economy. Yesterday Statistics NZ reported the volume of economy. Yesterday Statistics NZ reported the volume of building reported the volume of building activity reported the volume of building activity jumped reported the volume of building activity jumped 8.9% reported the volume of building activity jumped 8.9% in reported the volume of building activity jumped 8.9% in the reported the volume of building activity jumped 8.9% in the December activity jumped 8.9% in the December quarter, activity jumped 8.9% in the December quarter, more activity jumped 8.9% in the December quarter, more than activity jumped 8.9% in the December quarter, more than offsetting activity jumped 8.9% in the December quarter, more than offsetting the quarter, more than offsetting the 8.4% quarter, more than offsetting the 8.4% decline quarter, more than offsetting the 8.4% decline in quarter, more than offsetting the 8.4% decline in the quarter, more than offsetting the 8.4% decline in the previous quarter, more than offsetting the 8.4% decline in the previous period 8.4% decline in the previous period due 8.4% decline in the previous period due to 8.4% decline in the previous period due to the 8.4% decline in the previous period due to the Delta 8.4% decline in the previous period due to the Delta outbreak. due to the Delta outbreak. Residential due to the Delta outbreak. Residential construction due to the Delta outbreak. Residential construction rose due to the Delta outbreak. Residential construction rose 5.2% Residential construction rose 5.2% while Residential construction rose 5.2% while industrial Residential construction rose 5.2% while industrial and Residential construction rose 5.2% while industrial and commercial while industrial and commercial building while industrial and commercial building activity while industrial and commercial building activity increased while industrial and commercial building activity increased 16%. building activity increased 16%. Also building activity increased 16%. Also reported building activity increased 16%. Also reported last building activity increased 16%. Also reported last week building activity increased 16%. Also reported last week that building activity increased 16%. Also reported last week that annual Also reported last week that annual building Also reported last week that annual building consent Also reported last week that annual building consent issues Also reported last week that annual building consent issues for Also reported last week that annual building consent issues for January building consent issues for January rose building consent issues for January rose 22% building consent issues for January rose 22% to building consent issues for January rose 22% to 48,707 building consent issues for January rose 22% to 48,707 compared building consent issues for January rose 22% to 48,707 compared with building consent issues for January rose 22% to 48,707 compared with the rose 22% to 48,707 compared with the previous rose 22% to 48,707 compared with the previous year. rose 22% to 48,707 compared with the previous year. Mr rose 22% to 48,707 compared with the previous year. Mr Speaker, previous year. Mr Speaker, economists previous year. Mr Speaker, economists are previous year. Mr Speaker, economists are continuing previous year. Mr Speaker, economists are continuing to previous year. Mr Speaker, economists are continuing to expect economists are continuing to expect momentum economists are continuing to expect momentum in economists are continuing to expect momentum in the economists are continuing to expect momentum in the construction economists are continuing to expect momentum in the construction sector momentum in the construction sector despite momentum in the construction sector despite the momentum in the construction sector despite the challenging momentum in the construction sector despite the challenging environment despite the challenging environment that despite the challenging environment that it despite the challenging environment that it is despite the challenging environment that it is operating despite the challenging environment that it is operating in. that it is operating in. Supplementary. that it is operating in. Supplementary. What that it is operating in. Supplementary. What support that it is operating in. Supplementary. What support is Supplementary. What support is available Supplementary. What support is available for Supplementary. What support is available for businesses Supplementary. What support is available for businesses as Supplementary. What support is available for businesses as the available for businesses as the economy available for businesses as the economy deals available for businesses as the economy deals with available for businesses as the economy deals with the available for businesses as the economy deals with the challenges available for businesses as the economy deals with the challenges of economy deals with the challenges of Omicron? economy deals with the challenges of Omicron? Well, economy deals with the challenges of Omicron? Well, Mr economy deals with the challenges of Omicron? Well, Mr Speaker, economy deals with the challenges of Omicron? Well, Mr Speaker, the Omicron? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government Omicron? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government has Omicron? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government has responded Omicron? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government has responded with Omicron? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government has responded with the Government has responded with the new Government has responded with the new targeted Government has responded with the new targeted COVID Government has responded with the new targeted COVID support Government has responded with the new targeted COVID support payment new targeted COVID support payment which new targeted COVID support payment which will new targeted COVID support payment which will help new targeted COVID support payment which will help viable new targeted COVID support payment which will help viable but which will help viable but vulnerable which will help viable but vulnerable businesses which will help viable but vulnerable businesses through which will help viable but vulnerable businesses through the vulnerable businesses through the peak vulnerable businesses through the peak of vulnerable businesses through the peak of Omicron. vulnerable businesses through the peak of Omicron. So vulnerable businesses through the peak of Omicron. So far, vulnerable businesses through the peak of Omicron. So far, this peak of Omicron. So far, this payment peak of Omicron. So far, this payment has peak of Omicron. So far, this payment has paid peak of Omicron. So far, this payment has paid out peak of Omicron. So far, this payment has paid out $280.51 peak of Omicron. So far, this payment has paid out $280.51 million payment has paid out $280.51 million to payment has paid out $280.51 million to 56,775 payment has paid out $280.51 million to 56,775 apply payment has paid out $280.51 million to 56,775 apply capitals. payment has paid out $280.51 million to 56,775 apply capitals. On payment has paid out $280.51 million to 56,775 apply capitals. On a to 56,775 apply capitals. On a regional to 56,775 apply capitals. On a regional basis, to 56,775 apply capitals. On a regional basis, Auckland to 56,775 apply capitals. On a regional basis, Auckland has regional basis, Auckland has received regional basis, Auckland has received 56% regional basis, Auckland has received 56% of regional basis, Auckland has received 56% of the regional basis, Auckland has received 56% of the payments regional basis, Auckland has received 56% of the payments by received 56% of the payments by amount received 56% of the payments by amount going received 56% of the payments by amount going to received 56% of the payments by amount going to business, received 56% of the payments by amount going to business, followed amount going to business, followed by amount going to business, followed by Christchurch amount going to business, followed by Christchurch on amount going to business, followed by Christchurch on 8% amount going to business, followed by Christchurch on 8% and amount going to business, followed by Christchurch on 8% and Wellington by Christchurch on 8% and Wellington on by Christchurch on 8% and Wellington on 7%. by Christchurch on 8% and Wellington on 7%. 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Mr Speaker, I would also note that sole traders make up nearly that sole traders make up nearly half that sole traders make up nearly half the that sole traders make up nearly half the amount that sole traders make up nearly half the amount that that sole traders make up nearly half the amount that has that sole traders make up nearly half the amount that has gone that sole traders make up nearly half the amount that has gone out, that sole traders make up nearly half the amount that has gone out, a half the amount that has gone out, a distinction half the amount that has gone out, a amount half the amount that has gone out, a distinction of our half the amount that has gone out, a distinction of our scheme half the amount that has gone out, a distinction of our scheme in half the amount that has gone out, a distinction of our scheme in New distinction of our scheme in New Zealand distinction of our scheme in New Zealand we distinction of our scheme in New Zealand we have distinction of our scheme in New Zealand we have continued distinction of our scheme in New Zealand we have continued to distinction of our scheme in New Zealand we have continued to support Zealand we have continued to support sole Zealand we have continued to support sole traders Zealand we have continued to support sole traders throughout Zealand we have continued to support sole traders throughout this Zealand we have continued to support sole traders throughout this period. sole traders throughout this period. 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Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen reports economic activity? Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen reports of economic activity? Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen reports of proposals I have seen reports of proposals directed I have seen reports of proposals directed to I have seen reports of proposals directed to me I have seen reports of proposals directed to me as I have seen reports of proposals directed to me as the I have seen reports of proposals directed to me as the Minister I have seen reports of proposals directed to me as the Minister for directed to me as the Minister for Finance directed to me as the Minister for Finance that directed to me as the Minister for Finance that would directed to me as the Minister for Finance that would propose directed to me as the Minister for Finance that would propose cutting Finance that would propose cutting taxes Finance that would propose cutting taxes and Finance that would propose cutting taxes and a Finance that would propose cutting taxes and a range Finance that would propose cutting taxes and a range of Finance that would propose cutting taxes and a range of other taxes and a range of other initiatives taxes and a range of other initiatives designed taxes and a range of other initiatives designed to taxes and a range of other initiatives designed to fund initiatives designed to fund transport initiatives designed to fund transport and initiatives designed to fund transport and make initiatives designed to fund transport and make housing initiatives designed to fund transport and make housing more transport and make housing more affordable. transport and make housing more affordable. 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For example, one proposal that I was asked to adopt proposal that I was asked to adopt by proposal that I was asked to adopt by the proposal that I was asked to adopt by the Leader proposal that I was asked to adopt by the Leader of proposal that I was asked to adopt by the Leader of the proposal that I was asked to adopt by the Leader of the Opposition by the Leader of the Opposition would by the Leader of the Opposition would wipe by the Leader of the Opposition would wipe out by the Leader of the Opposition would wipe out the by the Leader of the Opposition would wipe out the whole by the Leader of the Opposition would wipe out the whole of by the Leader of the Opposition would wipe out the whole of the would wipe out the whole of the budget would wipe out the whole of the budget 2024 would wipe out the whole of the budget 2024 allowance would wipe out the whole of the budget 2024 allowance leaving would wipe out the whole of the budget 2024 allowance leaving no budget 2024 allowance leaving no room budget 2024 allowance leaving no room for budget 2024 allowance leaving no room for spending budget 2024 allowance leaving no room for spending on budget 2024 allowance leaving no room for spending on health, room for spending on health, education, room for spending on health, education, housing room for spending on health, education, housing or room for spending on health, education, housing or other education, housing or other investments. education, housing or other investments. Question education, housing or other investments. Question No. education, housing or other investments. Question No. 4. Mr Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: Does Finance: Does he Finance: Does he stand Finance: Does he stand by Finance: Does he stand by his Finance: Does he stand by his statement Does he stand by his statement that Does he stand by his statement that the Does he stand by his statement that the Government Does he stand by his statement that the Government has Does he stand by his statement that the Government has "no that the Government has "no intention" that the Government has "no intention" of that the Government has "no intention" of giving intention" of giving tax intention" of giving tax cuts; intention" of giving tax cuts; if intention" of giving tax cuts; if so, intention" of giving tax cuts; if so, why? 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It health system, our education system, and in housing. It is health system, our education system, and in housing. It is my health system, our education system, and in housing. It is my view health system, our education system, and in housing. It is my view that and in housing. It is my view that untargeted and in housing. It is my view that untargeted tax and in housing. It is my view that untargeted tax cuts and in housing. It is my view that untargeted tax cuts are and in housing. It is my view that untargeted tax cuts are not and in housing. It is my view that untargeted tax cuts are not the and in housing. It is my view that untargeted tax cuts are not the best untargeted tax cuts are not the best use untargeted tax cuts are not the best use of untargeted tax cuts are not the best use of money untargeted tax cuts are not the best use of money right untargeted tax cuts are not the best use of money right now. untargeted tax cuts are not the best use of money right now. Instead untargeted tax cuts are not the best use of money right now. Instead we use of money right now. Instead we need use of money right now. Instead we need to use of money right now. Instead we need to be use of money right now. Instead we need to be investing use of money right now. Instead we need to be investing in use of money right now. Instead we need to be investing in long-term need to be investing in long-term challenges need to be investing in long-term challenges that need to be investing in long-term challenges that are need to be investing in long-term challenges that are facing need to be investing in long-term challenges that are facing New challenges that are facing New Zealand challenges that are facing New Zealand in challenges that are facing New Zealand in the challenges that are facing New Zealand in the form challenges that are facing New Zealand in the form of challenges that are facing New Zealand in the form of healthcare, Zealand in the form of healthcare, climate Zealand in the form of healthcare, climate change Zealand in the form of healthcare, climate change and Zealand in the form of healthcare, climate change and affordable climate change and affordable housing climate change and affordable housing and climate change and affordable housing and supporting climate change and affordable housing and supporting people housing and supporting people through housing and supporting people through the housing and supporting people through the current housing and supporting people through the current rises housing and supporting people through the current rises in housing and supporting people through the current rises in the through the current rises in the cost through the current rises in the cost of through the current rises in the cost of living. Supplementary, Supplementary, Mr Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Does Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Does the Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Does the Minister Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Does the Minister accept Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Does the Minister accept that Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Does the Minister accept that taxes Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Does the Minister accept that taxes per Minister accept that taxes per person Minister accept that taxes per person by Minister accept that taxes per person by this Minister accept that taxes per person by this Government Minister accept that taxes per person by this Government and person by this Government and <SPEAKS person by this Government and <SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY> person by this Government and <SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY> household <SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY> household budgets <SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY> household budgets has <SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY> household budgets has risen <SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY> household budgets has risen $2,130 <SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY> household budgets has risen $2,130 even budgets has risen $2,130 even adjusted budgets has risen $2,130 even adjusted for budgets has risen $2,130 even adjusted for inflation? budgets has risen $2,130 even adjusted for inflation? And budgets has risen $2,130 even adjusted for inflation? And if budgets has risen $2,130 even adjusted for inflation? 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That balance in our approach to the budget. That means balance in our approach to the budget. That means supporting budget. That means supporting people, budget. That means supporting people, for budget. That means supporting people, for example, budget. That means supporting people, for example, through budget. That means supporting people, for example, through the people, for example, through the family people, for example, through the family tax people, for example, through the family tax credit people, for example, through the family tax credit changes people, for example, through the family tax credit changes that people, for example, through the family tax credit changes that will family tax credit changes that will put family tax credit changes that will put money family tax credit changes that will put money into family tax credit changes that will put money into their family tax credit changes that will put money into their pockets family tax credit changes that will put money into their pockets while put money into their pockets while at put money into their pockets while at the put money into their pockets while at the same put money into their pockets while at the same time put money into their pockets while at the same time knowing put money into their pockets while at the same time knowing that put money into their pockets while at the same time knowing that we at the same time knowing that we have at the same time knowing that we have to at the same time knowing that we have to continue at the same time knowing that we have to continue to at the same time knowing that we have to continue to invest at the same time knowing that we have to continue to invest in at the same time knowing that we have to continue to invest in health have to continue to invest in health and have to continue to invest in health and education have to continue to invest in health and education and have to continue to invest in health and education and housing. have to continue to invest in health and education and housing. What have to continue to invest in health and education and housing. What the and education and housing. What the opposition and education and housing. What the opposition is and education and housing. What the opposition is proposing and education and housing. What the opposition is proposing will and education and housing. What the opposition is proposing will mean opposition is proposing will mean tax opposition is proposing will mean tax cuts opposition is proposing will mean tax cuts that opposition is proposing will mean tax cuts that effectively opposition is proposing will mean tax cuts that effectively make tax cuts that effectively make inequality tax cuts that effectively make inequality worse, tax cuts that effectively make inequality worse, mean tax cuts that effectively make inequality worse, mean that inequality worse, mean that congestion inequality worse, mean that congestion in inequality worse, mean that congestion in Auckland inequality worse, mean that congestion in Auckland will inequality worse, mean that congestion in Auckland will get congestion in Auckland will get worse, congestion in Auckland will get worse, mean congestion in Auckland will get worse, mean that congestion in Auckland will get worse, mean that it congestion in Auckland will get worse, mean that it will congestion in Auckland will get worse, mean that it will be congestion in Auckland will get worse, mean that it will be harder worse, mean that it will be harder for worse, mean that it will be harder for first worse, mean that it will be harder for first home worse, mean that it will be harder for first home buyers, worse, mean that it will be harder for first home buyers, Mr worse, mean that it will be harder for first home buyers, Mr Speaker. for first home buyers, Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> That's <INTERRUPTION> That's their <INTERRUPTION> That's their decision, <INTERRUPTION> That's their decision, Mr <INTERRUPTION> That's their decision, Mr Speaker. 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The Government will be significantly better off, Mr Speaker. The Government has will be significantly better off, Mr Speaker. The Government has chosen Speaker. The Government has chosen to Speaker. The Government has chosen to take Speaker. The Government has chosen to take a Speaker. The Government has chosen to take a focused Speaker. The Government has chosen to take a focused approach Speaker. The Government has chosen to take a focused approach to to take a focused approach to supporting to take a focused approach to supporting those to take a focused approach to supporting those on to take a focused approach to supporting those on low to take a focused approach to supporting those on low and to take a focused approach to supporting those on low and middle supporting those on low and middle incomes supporting those on low and middle incomes to supporting those on low and middle incomes to get supporting those on low and middle incomes to get through supporting those on low and middle incomes to get through this supporting those on low and middle incomes to get through this period incomes to get through this period of incomes to get through this period of time incomes to get through this period of time whilst incomes to get through this period of time whilst continuing incomes to get through this period of time whilst continuing to incomes to get through this period of time whilst continuing to invest of time whilst continuing to invest in of time whilst continuing to invest in health of time whilst continuing to invest in health and of time whilst continuing to invest in health and education of time whilst continuing to invest in health and education and of time whilst continuing to invest in health and education and housing. in health and education and housing. 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He needs to explain what he would He needs to explain what he would cut He needs to explain what he would cut if He needs to explain what he would cut if he He needs to explain what he would cut if he were He needs to explain what he would cut if he were to He needs to explain what he would cut if he were to go He needs to explain what he would cut if he were to go ahead He needs to explain what he would cut if he were to go ahead with He needs to explain what he would cut if he were to go ahead with the cut if he were to go ahead with the tax cut if he were to go ahead with the tax policies cut if he were to go ahead with the tax policies his cut if he were to go ahead with the tax policies his leader cut if he were to go ahead with the tax policies his leader announced cut if he were to go ahead with the tax policies his leader announced on tax policies his leader announced on Sunday. tax policies his leader announced on Sunday. Further tax policies his leader announced on Sunday. Further supplementary, tax policies his leader announced on Sunday. Further supplementary, Simon Sunday. Further supplementary, Simon Bridges. Sunday. Further supplementary, Simon Bridges. Is Sunday. Further supplementary, Simon Bridges. Is the Sunday. Further supplementary, Simon Bridges. Is the real Sunday. Further supplementary, Simon Bridges. Is the real reason Sunday. Further supplementary, Simon Bridges. Is the real reason he Sunday. Further supplementary, Simon Bridges. Is the real reason he won't Bridges. Is the real reason he won't prioritise Bridges. Is the real reason he won't prioritise tax Bridges. Is the real reason he won't prioritise tax relief Bridges. Is the real reason he won't prioritise tax relief because Bridges. Is the real reason he won't prioritise tax relief because he prioritise tax relief because he believes prioritise tax relief because he believes he prioritise tax relief because he believes he spends prioritise tax relief because he believes he spends Kiwi prioritise tax relief because he believes he spends Kiwi workers' believes he spends Kiwi workers' money believes he spends Kiwi workers' money better believes he spends Kiwi workers' money better than believes he spends Kiwi workers' money better than they believes he spends Kiwi workers' money better than they do? believes he spends Kiwi workers' money better than they do? And believes he spends Kiwi workers' money better than they do? And why money better than they do? And why won't money better than they do? And why won't he money better than they do? And why won't he trust money better than they do? And why won't he trust Kiwi money better than they do? And why won't he trust Kiwi families money better than they do? And why won't he trust Kiwi families to money better than they do? And why won't he trust Kiwi families to make won't he trust Kiwi families to make good won't he trust Kiwi families to make good decisions won't he trust Kiwi families to make good decisions with won't he trust Kiwi families to make good decisions with their won't he trust Kiwi families to make good decisions with their own won't he trust Kiwi families to make good decisions with their own money? good decisions with their own money? Mr good decisions with their own money? Mr Speaker, good decisions with their own money? Mr Speaker, no. good decisions with their own money? Mr Speaker, no. The good decisions with their own money? Mr Speaker, no. The reason good decisions with their own money? Mr Speaker, no. The reason we're Mr Speaker, no. The reason we're doing Mr Speaker, no. The reason we're doing this Mr Speaker, no. The reason we're doing this is Mr Speaker, no. The reason we're doing this is on Mr Speaker, no. 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This reduce from 10 days to seven days. This will reduce from 10 days to seven days. This will come reduce from 10 days to seven days. This will come into reduce from 10 days to seven days. This will come into effect reduce from 10 days to seven days. This will come into effect from This will come into effect from 11:59pm This will come into effect from 11:59pm on This will come into effect from 11:59pm on Friday. This will come into effect from 11:59pm on Friday. Households This will come into effect from 11:59pm on Friday. Households will 11:59pm on Friday. Households will need 11:59pm on Friday. Households will need to 11:59pm on Friday. Households will need to have 11:59pm on Friday. Households will need to have a 11:59pm on Friday. Households will need to have a rapid 11:59pm on Friday. Households will need to have a rapid antigen 11:59pm on Friday. 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Mr Speaker, we have received advice from the decision? Mr Speaker, we have received advice from the Ministry decision? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing: Housing: Does Housing: Does she Housing: Does she have Housing: Does she have confidence Housing: Does she have confidence that Does she have confidence that Kainga Does she have confidence that Kainga Ora Does she have confidence that Kainga Ora is Does she have confidence that Kainga Ora is effectively Kainga Ora is effectively exercising Kainga Ora is effectively exercising its Kainga Ora is effectively exercising its obligations exercising its obligations as exercising its obligations as a exercising its obligations as a public exercising its obligations as a public sector exercising its obligations as a public sector entity, as a public sector entity, including as a public sector entity, including delivering as a public sector entity, including delivering value including delivering value for including delivering value for taxpayers' including delivering value for taxpayers' money? Dr Dr Megan Dr Megan Woods Dr Megan Woods participating Dr Megan Woods participating remotely. Dr Megan Woods participating remotely. Mr Dr Megan Woods participating remotely. Mr Speaker, Dr Megan Woods participating remotely. Mr Speaker, yes, Dr Megan Woods participating remotely. Mr Speaker, yes, I Dr Megan Woods participating remotely. Mr Speaker, yes, I have remotely. Mr Speaker, yes, I have confidence remotely. Mr Speaker, yes, I have confidence Kainga remotely. Mr Speaker, yes, I have confidence Kainga Ora remotely. Mr Speaker, yes, I have confidence Kainga Ora is remotely. Mr Speaker, yes, I have confidence Kainga Ora is effectively confidence Kainga Ora is effectively exercising confidence Kainga Ora is effectively exercising its confidence Kainga Ora is effectively exercising its obligations confidence Kainga Ora is effectively exercising its obligations as confidence Kainga Ora is effectively exercising its obligations as a exercising its obligations as a public exercising its obligations as a public service exercising its obligations as a public service entity. exercising its obligations as a public service entity. I exercising its obligations as a public service entity. I stand exercising its obligations as a public service entity. I stand by public service entity. I stand by this public service entity. I stand by this Government's public service entity. I stand by this Government's actions public service entity. I stand by this Government's actions to public service entity. I stand by this Government's actions to tackle this Government's actions to tackle the this Government's actions to tackle the national this Government's actions to tackle the national housing this Government's actions to tackle the national housing crisis the national housing crisis including the national housing crisis including through the national housing crisis including through the the national housing crisis including through the establishment including through the establishment of including through the establishment of Kainga including through the establishment of Kainga Ora. including through the establishment of Kainga Ora. I'm including through the establishment of Kainga Ora. I'm proud including through the establishment of Kainga Ora. I'm proud that including through the establishment of Kainga Ora. I'm proud that Kainga of Kainga Ora. I'm proud that Kainga Ora of Kainga Ora. I'm proud that Kainga Ora has of Kainga Ora. I'm proud that Kainga Ora has delivered of Kainga Ora. I'm proud that Kainga Ora has delivered over of Kainga Ora. I'm proud that Kainga Ora has delivered over 9,000 of Kainga Ora. I'm proud that Kainga Ora has delivered over 9,000 warm, Ora has delivered over 9,000 warm, dry Ora has delivered over 9,000 warm, dry public Ora has delivered over 9,000 warm, dry public housing Ora has delivered over 9,000 warm, dry public housing places Ora has delivered over 9,000 warm, dry public housing places since Ora has delivered over 9,000 warm, dry public housing places since 2017 dry public housing places since 2017 including dry public housing places since 2017 including building dry public housing places since 2017 including building more dry public housing places since 2017 including building more than dry public housing places since 2017 including building more than 7,000 including building more than 7,000 brand including building more than 7,000 brand new including building more than 7,000 brand new build including building more than 7,000 brand new build public including building more than 7,000 brand new build public homes. including building more than 7,000 brand new build public homes. This brand new build public homes. This Government brand new build public homes. This Government is brand new build public homes. This Government is building brand new build public homes. This Government is building more brand new build public homes. This Government is building more homes Government is building more homes than Government is building more homes than any Government is building more homes than any Government Government is building more homes than any Government since Government is building more homes than any Government since the Government is building more homes than any Government since the 1970s. than any Government since the 1970s. I'm than any Government since the 1970s. I'm also than any Government since the 1970s. I'm also proud than any Government since the 1970s. I'm also proud that than any Government since the 1970s. I'm also proud that through than any Government since the 1970s. I'm also proud that through this I'm also proud that through this bill I'm also proud that through this bill programme, I'm also proud that through this bill programme, Kainga I'm also proud that through this bill programme, Kainga Ora I'm also proud that through this bill programme, Kainga Ora has bill programme, Kainga Ora has supported bill programme, Kainga Ora has supported over bill programme, Kainga Ora has supported over 500 bill programme, Kainga Ora has supported over 500 apprentices. bill programme, Kainga Ora has supported over 500 apprentices. Our supported over 500 apprentices. Our Government supported over 500 apprentices. Our Government believes supported over 500 apprentices. Our Government believes it's supported over 500 apprentices. Our Government believes it's the supported over 500 apprentices. Our Government believes it's the role supported over 500 apprentices. Our Government believes it's the role of Government believes it's the role of the Government believes it's the role of the state Government believes it's the role of the state to Government believes it's the role of the state to invest, Government believes it's the role of the state to invest, to Government believes it's the role of the state to invest, to provide the state to invest, to provide public the state to invest, to provide public and the state to invest, to provide public and affordable the state to invest, to provide public and affordable housing, public and affordable housing, particularly public and affordable housing, particularly during public and affordable housing, particularly during a public and affordable housing, particularly during a national particularly during a national housing particularly during a national housing crisis. 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And a taxpayer-funded ad about a political candidate? And if a taxpayer-funded ad about a political candidate? And if she a taxpayer-funded ad about a political candidate? And if she was political candidate? And if she was clear, political candidate? And if she was clear, then political candidate? And if she was clear, then why political candidate? And if she was clear, then why did political candidate? And if she was clear, then why did the political candidate? And if she was clear, then why did the chief clear, then why did the chief executive clear, then why did the chief executive in clear, then why did the chief executive in an clear, then why did the chief executive in an email clear, then why did the chief executive in an email some clear, then why did the chief executive in an email some months executive in an email some months later executive in an email some months later tell executive in an email some months later tell staff executive in an email some months later tell staff he executive in an email some months later tell staff he would executive in an email some months later tell staff he would stand later tell staff he would stand behind later tell staff he would stand behind the later tell staff he would stand behind the judgement later tell staff he would stand behind the judgement call later tell staff he would stand behind the judgement call to later tell staff he would stand behind the judgement call to publish behind the judgement call to publish that behind the judgement call to publish that article? behind the judgement call to publish that article? 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Is she confident she can trust that Kainga confident she can trust that Kainga Ora's confident she can trust that Kainga Ora's chief confident she can trust that Kainga Ora's chief executive confident she can trust that Kainga Ora's chief executive will confident she can trust that Kainga Ora's chief executive will exercise Ora's chief executive will exercise better Ora's chief executive will exercise better judgement Ora's chief executive will exercise better judgement over Ora's chief executive will exercise better judgement over the Ora's chief executive will exercise better judgement over the $8.3 better judgement over the $8.3 billion better judgement over the $8.3 billion borrowing better judgement over the $8.3 billion borrowing facility better judgement over the $8.3 billion borrowing facility her billion borrowing facility her Government billion borrowing facility her Government has billion borrowing facility her Government has granted billion borrowing facility her Government has granted Kainga billion borrowing facility her Government has granted Kainga Ora Government has granted Kainga Ora than Government has granted Kainga Ora than it Government has granted Kainga Ora than it did Government has granted Kainga Ora than it did over Government has granted Kainga Ora than it did over this Government has granted Kainga Ora than it did over this matter? Government has granted Kainga Ora than it did over this matter? And than it did over this matter? And what than it did over this matter? And what makes than it did over this matter? And what makes her than it did over this matter? And what makes her think than it did over this matter? And what makes her think he than it did over this matter? And what makes her think he takes than it did over this matter? And what makes her think he takes her what makes her think he takes her seriously what makes her think he takes her seriously now what makes her think he takes her seriously now when what makes her think he takes her seriously now when he what makes her think he takes her seriously now when he so what makes her think he takes her seriously now when he so clearly seriously now when he so clearly ignored seriously now when he so clearly ignored her seriously now when he so clearly ignored her earlier seriously now when he so clearly ignored her earlier warnings seriously now when he so clearly ignored her earlier warnings in ignored her earlier warnings in August? ignored her earlier warnings in August? Mr ignored her earlier warnings in August? Mr Speaker, ignored her earlier warnings in August? Mr Speaker, I ignored her earlier warnings in August? Mr Speaker, I reject ignored her earlier warnings in August? Mr Speaker, I reject the August? Mr Speaker, I reject the premise August? Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of August? Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of the August? Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of the member's August? Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of the member's question August? Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of the member's question as premise of the member's question as I premise of the member's question as I have premise of the member's question as I have outlined premise of the member's question as I have outlined in premise of the member's question as I have outlined in previous premise of the member's question as I have outlined in previous answers I have outlined in previous answers to I have outlined in previous answers to supplementaries I have outlined in previous answers to supplementaries - I have outlined in previous answers to supplementaries - the I have outlined in previous answers to supplementaries - the chain I have outlined in previous answers to supplementaries - the chain of to supplementaries - the chain of events to supplementaries - the chain of events the to supplementaries - the chain of events the member to supplementaries - the chain of events the member is to supplementaries - the chain of events the member is trying to supplementaries - the chain of events the member is trying to to supplementaries - the chain of events the member is trying to put events the member is trying to put together events the member is trying to put together simply events the member is trying to put together simply do events the member is trying to put together simply do not events the member is trying to put together simply do not stack events the member is trying to put together simply do not stack up events the member is trying to put together simply do not stack up when together simply do not stack up when the together simply do not stack up when the facts together simply do not stack up when the facts are together simply do not stack up when the facts are considered together simply do not stack up when the facts are considered in together simply do not stack up when the facts are considered in terms together simply do not stack up when the facts are considered in terms of the facts are considered in terms of timelines. the facts are considered in terms of timelines. 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This legislation authorises random legislation authorises random legislation authorises random legislation authorises random roadside drug legislation authorises random roadside drug testing legislation authorises random roadside drug testing which legislation authorises random roadside drug testing which aims legislation authorises random roadside drug testing which aims to roadside drug testing which aims to deter roadside drug testing which aims to deter drug-impaired roadside drug testing which aims to deter drug-impaired driving roadside drug testing which aims to deter drug-impaired driving leading deter drug-impaired driving leading to deter drug-impaired driving leading to safer deter drug-impaired driving leading to safer roads deter drug-impaired driving leading to safer roads for deter drug-impaired driving leading to safer roads for all. deter drug-impaired driving leading to safer roads for all. Driving to safer roads for all. Driving under to safer roads for all. 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And both 2019 and 2020, over 100 people serious harm. And both 2019 and 2020, over 100 people were serious harm. And both 2019 and 2020, over 100 people were killed serious harm. And both 2019 and 2020, over 100 people were killed in 2020, over 100 people were killed in crashes 2020, over 100 people were killed in crashes where 2020, over 100 people were killed in crashes where a 2020, over 100 people were killed in crashes where a driver 2020, over 100 people were killed in crashes where a driver was 2020, over 100 people were killed in crashes where a driver was found 2020, over 100 people were killed in crashes where a driver was found to crashes where a driver was found to have crashes where a driver was found to have drugs crashes where a driver was found to have drugs in crashes where a driver was found to have drugs in their crashes where a driver was found to have drugs in their system. crashes where a driver was found to have drugs in their system. 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We want to see less deaths lives of people in our roads. We want to see less deaths and lives of people in our roads. We want to see less deaths and serious want to see less deaths and serious injuries want to see less deaths and serious injuries on want to see less deaths and serious injuries on our want to see less deaths and serious injuries on our roads want to see less deaths and serious injuries on our roads and want to see less deaths and serious injuries on our roads and if want to see less deaths and serious injuries on our roads and if a want to see less deaths and serious injuries on our roads and if a 40% injuries on our roads and if a 40% reduction injuries on our roads and if a 40% reduction target injuries on our roads and if a 40% reduction target by injuries on our roads and if a 40% reduction target by 2030 injuries on our roads and if a 40% reduction target by 2030 and injuries on our roads and if a 40% reduction target by 2030 and the reduction target by 2030 and the passage reduction target by 2030 and the passage of reduction target by 2030 and the passage of this reduction target by 2030 and the passage of this legislation reduction target by 2030 and the passage of this legislation is reduction target by 2030 and the passage of this legislation is a passage of this legislation is a step passage of this legislation is a step in passage of this legislation is a step in the passage of this legislation is a step in the right passage of this legislation is a step in the right direction. step in the right direction. 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(INTERJECTIONS) (INTERJECTIONS) Supplementary (INTERJECTIONS) Supplementary question, (INTERJECTIONS) Supplementary question, Debbie Supplementary question, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, Supplementary question, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, participating Ngarewa-Packer, participating remotely. Ngarewa-Packer, participating remotely. Thank Ngarewa-Packer, participating remotely. Thank you, Ngarewa-Packer, participating remotely. Thank you, Mr Ngarewa-Packer, participating remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What support, remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What support, if remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What support, if any, remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What support, if any, has remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. 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But it is not a blanket exemption that says not a blanket exemption that says that not a blanket exemption that says that people not a blanket exemption that says that people in not a blanket exemption that says that people in the not a blanket exemption that says that people in the health not a blanket exemption that says that people in the health workforce that people in the health workforce should that people in the health workforce should be that people in the health workforce should be going that people in the health workforce should be going to that people in the health workforce should be going to work that people in the health workforce should be going to work even that people in the health workforce should be going to work even if that people in the health workforce should be going to work even if they should be going to work even if they have should be going to work even if they have COVID-19. should be going to work even if they have COVID-19. <INTERRUPTION> have COVID-19. <INTERRUPTION> Question have COVID-19. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. have COVID-19. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 11. have COVID-19. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 11. Tamati have COVID-19. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 11. Tamati Coffey Question No. 11. Tamati Coffey participating Question No. 11. Tamati Coffey participating remotely. Question No. 11. Tamati Coffey participating remotely. Thank Question No. 11. Tamati Coffey participating remotely. Thank you, participating remotely. Thank you, Mr participating remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Customs: Customs: What Customs: What Question Customs: What initiatives are Question Customs: What initiatives are Customs Question What initiatives are Customs providing Question What initiatives are Customs providing to Question What initiatives are Customs providing to small-to-medium Question providing to small-to-medium importers? Question The The Hon The Hon Meka The Hon Meka Whaitiri. The Hon Meka Whaitiri. Mr The Hon Meka Whaitiri. Mr Speaker, The Hon Meka Whaitiri. Mr Speaker, ongoing The Hon Meka Whaitiri. Mr Speaker, ongoing supply The Hon Meka Whaitiri. Mr Speaker, ongoing supply chain The Hon Meka Whaitiri. Mr Speaker, ongoing supply chain disruptions The Hon Meka Whaitiri. Mr Speaker, ongoing supply chain disruptions has ongoing supply chain disruptions has meant ongoing supply chain disruptions has meant many ongoing supply chain disruptions has meant many businesses ongoing supply chain disruptions has meant many businesses in ongoing supply chain disruptions has meant many businesses in Aotearoa meant many businesses in Aotearoa New meant many businesses in Aotearoa New Zealand meant many businesses in Aotearoa New Zealand are meant many businesses in Aotearoa New Zealand are placing meant many businesses in Aotearoa New Zealand are placing larger meant many businesses in Aotearoa New Zealand are placing larger or New Zealand are placing larger or more New Zealand are placing larger or more frequent New Zealand are placing larger or more frequent orders New Zealand are placing larger or more frequent orders for New Zealand are placing larger or more frequent orders for their more frequent orders for their products more frequent orders for their products from more frequent orders for their products from overseas. more frequent orders for their products from overseas. 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One initiative their credit limits. One initiative increases their credit limits. One initiative increases credit their credit limits. One initiative increases credit limits their credit limits. One initiative increases credit limits for their credit limits. One initiative increases credit limits for low-risk increases credit limits for low-risk small increases credit limits for low-risk small to increases credit limits for low-risk small to medium increases credit limits for low-risk small to medium interprices increases credit limits for low-risk small to medium interprices so increases credit limits for low-risk small to medium interprices so they small to medium interprices so they can small to medium interprices so they can more small to medium interprices so they can more easily small to medium interprices so they can more easily import small to medium interprices so they can more easily import larger small to medium interprices so they can more easily import larger or can more easily import larger or more can more easily import larger or more frequent can more easily import larger or more frequent shipments. can more easily import larger or more frequent shipments. Other more frequent shipments. Other initiatives more frequent shipments. Other initiatives include more frequent shipments. Other initiatives include defer more frequent shipments. Other initiatives include defer payments initiatives include defer payments which initiatives include defer payments which allow initiatives include defer payments which allow businesses initiatives include defer payments which allow businesses to initiatives include defer payments which allow businesses to defer which allow businesses to defer their which allow businesses to defer their payments which allow businesses to defer their payments to which allow businesses to defer their payments to customs which allow businesses to defer their payments to customs including their payments to customs including duties their payments to customs including duties and their payments to customs including duties and GST their payments to customs including duties and GST charges. duties and GST charges. Supplementary. duties and GST charges. Supplementary. How duties and GST charges. Supplementary. How have duties and GST charges. Supplementary. How have businesses Supplementary. How have businesses responded Supplementary. How have businesses responded to Supplementary. How have businesses responded to this Supplementary. How have businesses responded to this initiative Supplementary. How have businesses responded to this initiative so Supplementary. How have businesses responded to this initiative so far? responded to this initiative so far? Mr responded to this initiative so far? Mr Speaker, responded to this initiative so far? Mr Speaker, insofar responded to this initiative so far? Mr Speaker, insofar as responded to this initiative so far? Mr Speaker, insofar as the responded to this initiative so far? 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And opting to take up this offer and 86.6 take up rate. And how opting to take up this offer and 86.6 take up rate. And how does 86.6 take up rate. And how does increasing 86.6 take up rate. And how does 86.6 86.6 take up rate. And how does increasing imported credit 86.6 take up rate. And how does increasing imported credit limits increasing imported credit limits support increasing imported credit limits support New increasing imported credit limits support New Zealand's increasing imported credit limits support New Zealand's economic support New Zealand's economic recovery? support New Zealand's economic recovery? Mr support New Zealand's economic recovery? Mr Speaker, support New Zealand's economic recovery? Mr Speaker, it support New Zealand's economic recovery? Mr Speaker, it is recovery? Mr Speaker, it is increasing recovery? Mr Speaker, it is increasing the recovery? Mr Speaker, it is increasing the economic recovery? Mr Speaker, it is increasing the economic resilience increasing the economic resilience of increasing the economic resilience of thousands increasing the economic resilience of thousands of increasing the economic resilience of thousands of small-to-medium increasing the economic resilience of thousands of small-to-medium size of thousands of small-to-medium size enterprises of thousands of small-to-medium size enterprises enabling of thousands of small-to-medium size enterprises enabling them of thousands of small-to-medium size enterprises enabling them to enterprises enabling them to increase enterprises enabling them to increase the enterprises enabling them to increase the number enterprises enabling them to increase the number in enterprises enabling them to increase the number in volume enterprises enabling them to increase the number in volume of increase the number in volume of orders increase the number in volume of orders for increase the number in volume of orders for their increase the number in volume of orders for their products increase the number in volume of orders for their products or orders for their products or materials orders for their products or materials from orders for their products or materials from overseas orders for their products or materials from overseas and materials from overseas and providing materials from overseas and providing certainty materials from overseas and providing certainty during materials from overseas and providing certainty during a materials from overseas and providing certainty during a time providing certainty during a time where providing certainty during a time where the providing certainty during a time where the supply providing certainty during a time where the supply chain providing certainty during a time where the supply chain is providing certainty during a time where the supply chain is unsettled where the supply chain is unsettled increasing where the supply chain is unsettled increasing credit where the supply chain is unsettled increasing credit limits where the supply chain is unsettled increasing credit limits has where the supply chain is unsettled increasing credit limits has given increasing credit limits has given businesses increasing credit limits has given businesses more increasing credit limits has given businesses more breathing increasing credit limits has given businesses more breathing room increasing credit limits has given businesses more breathing room with businesses more breathing room with their businesses more breathing room with their cash businesses more breathing room with their cash flow businesses more breathing room with their cash flow allowing businesses more breathing room with their cash flow allowing them businesses more breathing room with their cash flow allowing them to businesses more breathing room with their cash flow allowing them to pay their cash flow allowing them to pay for their cash flow allowing them to pay for the their cash flow allowing them to pay for the essentials their cash flow allowing them to pay for the essentials like their cash flow allowing them to pay for the essentials like employee for the essentials like employee salaries for the essentials like employee salaries that for the essentials like employee salaries that keep for the essentials like employee salaries that keep enterprise for the essentials like employee salaries that keep enterprise afloat salaries that keep enterprise afloat and salaries that keep enterprise afloat and the salaries that keep enterprise afloat and the economy salaries that keep enterprise afloat and the economy thriving. salaries that keep enterprise afloat and the economy thriving. Question and the economy thriving. Question No. and the economy thriving. Question No. 12. and the economy thriving. Question No. 12. The and the economy thriving. Question No. 12. The Hon and the economy thriving. Question No. 12. The Hon Paul and the economy thriving. Question No. 12. The Hon Paul Goldsmith and the economy thriving. Question No. 12. The Hon Paul Goldsmith who No. 12. The Hon Paul Goldsmith who is No. 12. The Hon Paul Goldsmith who is participating No. 12. The Hon Paul Goldsmith who is participating remotely. No. 12. The Hon Paul Goldsmith who is participating remotely. Thank is participating remotely. Thank you, is participating remotely. Thank you, Mr is participating remotely. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Workplace My question is to the Minister for Workplace Relations My question is to the Minister for Workplace Relations and My question is to the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety: Workplace Relations and Safety: What Workplace Relations and Safety: What additional Workplace Relations and Safety: What additional costs Workplace Relations and Safety: What additional costs have Workplace Relations and Safety: What additional costs have been What additional costs have been imposed What additional costs have been imposed on What additional costs have been imposed on businesses, imposed on businesses, if imposed on businesses, if any, imposed on businesses, if any, as imposed on businesses, if any, as a imposed on businesses, if any, as a result imposed on businesses, if any, as a result of imposed on businesses, if any, as a result of Government if any, as a result of Government decisions if any, as a result of Government decisions since if any, as a result of Government decisions since November if any, as a result of Government decisions since November 2017 decisions since November 2017 for decisions since November 2017 for which decisions since November 2017 for which he decisions since November 2017 for which he is decisions since November 2017 for which he is responsible, for which he is responsible, and for which he is responsible, and what for which he is responsible, and what impact, for which he is responsible, and what impact, if for which he is responsible, and what impact, if any, and what impact, if any, have and what impact, if any, have those and what impact, if any, have those additional have those additional costs have those additional costs on have those additional costs on business have those additional costs on business had costs on business had on costs on business had on the costs on business had on the cost costs on business had on the cost of costs on business had on the cost of living? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, I Mr Speaker, I reject Mr Speaker, I reject the Mr Speaker, I reject the premise Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of the Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of the member's Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of the member's question Mr Speaker, I reject the premise of the member's question that the member's question that Government the member's question that Government decisions the member's question that Government decisions have the member's question that Government decisions have imposed Government decisions have imposed costs Government decisions have imposed costs on Government decisions have imposed costs on businesses Government decisions have imposed costs on businesses that Government decisions have imposed costs on businesses that have costs on businesses that have contributed costs on businesses that have contributed to costs on businesses that have contributed to the costs on businesses that have contributed to the cost costs on businesses that have contributed to the cost of costs on businesses that have contributed to the cost of living. contributed to the cost of living. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> And <INTERRUPTION> And I <INTERRUPTION> And I note <INTERRUPTION> And I note that <INTERRUPTION> And I note that MBIE's <INTERRUPTION> And I note that MBIE's modelling And I note that MBIE's modelling indicates And I note that MBIE's modelling indicates the And I note that MBIE's modelling indicates the inflationary And I note that MBIE's modelling indicates the inflationary impacts indicates the inflationary impacts of indicates the inflationary impacts of policies indicates the inflationary impacts of policies like indicates the inflationary impacts of policies like minimum indicates the inflationary impacts of policies like minimum wage of policies like minimum wage increases of policies like minimum wage increases are of policies like minimum wage increases are very of policies like minimum wage increases are very limited of policies like minimum wage increases are very limited and of policies like minimum wage increases are very limited and this increases are very limited and this was increases are very limited and this was modelled increases are very limited and this was modelled at increases are very limited and this was modelled at just increases are very limited and this was modelled at just 0.12% increases are very limited and this was modelled at just 0.12% this was modelled at just 0.12% this year. was modelled at just 0.12% this year. 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Our Government has sought to build a modern and fair workplace build a modern and fair workplace relations build a modern and fair workplace relations environment build a modern and fair workplace relations environment through relations environment through policies relations environment through policies like relations environment through policies like increasing relations environment through policies like increasing sick relations environment through policies like increasing sick leave policies like increasing sick leave entitlement policies like increasing sick leave policies policies like increasing sick leave entitlement to 10 policies like increasing sick leave entitlement to 10 days policies like increasing sick leave entitlement to 10 days per policies like increasing sick leave entitlement to 10 days per year, entitlement to 10 days per year, increasing entitlement to 10 days per year, increasing paid entitlement to 10 days per year, increasing paid parental entitlement to 10 days per year, increasing paid parental leave entitlement to 10 days per year, increasing paid parental leave to entitlement to 10 days per year, increasing paid parental leave to 18 increasing paid parental leave to 18 to increasing paid parental leave to 18 to 26 increasing paid parental leave to 18 to 26 weeks increasing paid parental leave to 18 to 26 weeks and increasing paid parental leave to 18 to 26 weeks and I increasing paid parental leave to 18 to 26 weeks and I creasing increasing paid parental leave to 18 to 26 weeks and I creasing the to 26 weeks and I creasing the minimum to 26 weeks and I creasing the minimum wage to 26 weeks and I creasing the minimum wage from to 26 weeks and I creasing the minimum wage from 15.75 to 26 weeks and I creasing the minimum wage from 15.75 in to 26 weeks and I creasing the minimum wage from 15.75 in 2015 to 26 weeks and I creasing the minimum wage from 15.75 in 2015 to minimum wage from 15.75 in 2015 to 21.20 minimum wage from 15.75 in 2015 to 21.20 in minimum wage from 15.75 in 2015 to 21.20 in April minimum wage from 15.75 in 2015 to 21.20 in April of minimum wage from 15.75 in 2015 to 21.20 in April of this minimum wage from 15.75 in 2015 to 21.20 in April of this year. minimum wage from 15.75 in 2015 to 21.20 in April of this year. 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Further develop a fair and productive economy. Further supplementary, develop a fair and productive economy. Further supplementary, the economy. Further supplementary, the Hon economy. Further supplementary, the Hon Paul economy. Further supplementary, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. economy. Further supplementary, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does economy. Further supplementary, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does he economy. Further supplementary, the Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does he think Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does he think all Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does he think all Kiwi Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does he think all Kiwi workers Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does he think all Kiwi workers deserve Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does he think all Kiwi workers deserve a Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does he think all Kiwi workers deserve a 6% Hon Paul Goldsmith. Does he think all Kiwi workers deserve a 6% pay all Kiwi workers deserve a 6% pay increase all Kiwi workers deserve a 6% pay increase this all Kiwi workers deserve a 6% pay increase this year all Kiwi workers deserve a 6% pay increase this year like all Kiwi workers deserve a 6% pay increase this year like those all Kiwi workers deserve a 6% pay increase this year like those on all Kiwi workers deserve a 6% pay increase this year like those on the increase this year like those on the minimum increase this year like those on the minimum wage increase this year like those on the minimum wage have increase this year like those on the minimum wage have received increase this year like those on the minimum wage have received and increase this year like those on the minimum wage have received and if minimum wage have received and if so, minimum wage have received and if so, what minimum wage have received and if so, what impact minimum wage have received and if so, what impact does minimum wage have received and if so, what impact does he minimum wage have received and if so, what impact does he think minimum wage have received and if so, what impact does he think that so, what impact does he think that would so, what impact does he think that would have so, what impact does he think that would have on so, what impact does he think that would have on inflation would have on inflation expectations. would have on inflation expectations. 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That side of the House is prepared to country through COVID-19. That side of the House is prepared to see of the House is prepared to see their of the House is prepared to see their living of the House is prepared to see their living standards of the House is prepared to see their living standards decline, of the House is prepared to see their living standards decline, this their living standards decline, this Government their living standards decline, this Government will their living standards decline, this Government will support their living standards decline, this Government will support them. Government will support them. Supplementary. Government will support them. Supplementary. Order! Government will support them. Supplementary. Order! Mr Government will support them. Supplementary. Order! Mr Brown Government will support them. Supplementary. Order! Mr Brown will Supplementary. Order! Mr Brown will stand, Supplementary. Order! Mr Brown will stand, withdraw Supplementary. Order! Mr Brown will stand, withdraw and Supplementary. Order! Mr Brown will stand, withdraw and apologise. stand, withdraw and apologise. Withdraw stand, withdraw and apologise. Withdraw and stand, withdraw and apologise. Withdraw and apologise. stand, withdraw and apologise. Withdraw and apologise. Mr Withdraw and apologise. Mr Goldsmith, Withdraw and apologise. Mr Goldsmith, despite Withdraw and apologise. Mr Goldsmith, despite all Withdraw and apologise. Mr Goldsmith, despite all that Withdraw and apologise. Mr Goldsmith, despite all that noise Goldsmith, despite all that noise would Goldsmith, despite all that noise would you Goldsmith, despite all that noise would you like Goldsmith, despite all that noise would you like at Goldsmith, despite all that noise would you like at supplementary? would you like at supplementary? Yes, would you like at supplementary? Yes, please. would you like at supplementary? Yes, please. To would you like at supplementary? Yes, please. 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