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INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Almighty INTERPRETER: Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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We now come to oral questions. The down for consideration. We now come to oral questions. The first to oral questions. The first question to oral questions. The first question in to oral questions. The first question in the to oral questions. The first question in the name to oral questions. The first question in the name of to oral questions. The first question in the name of Shanan question in the name of Shanan Halbert question in the name of Shanan Halbert who question in the name of Shanan Halbert who is question in the name of Shanan Halbert who is joining question in the name of Shanan Halbert who is joining us question in the name of Shanan Halbert who is joining us remotely. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Research, My question is to the Minister of Research, Science My question is to the Minister of Research, Science and My question is to the Minister of Research, Science and Innovation: of Research, Science and Innovation: What of Research, Science and Innovation: What recent of Research, Science and Innovation: What recent announcements of Research, Science and Innovation: What recent announcements has of Research, Science and Innovation: What recent announcements has she What recent announcements has she made What recent announcements has she made about What recent announcements has she made about New What recent announcements has she made about New Zealand's What recent announcements has she made about New Zealand's commitment made about New Zealand's commitment to made about New Zealand's commitment to global made about New Zealand's commitment to global vaccine made about New Zealand's commitment to global vaccine development? I I call I call the I call the Hon I call the Hon Megan I call the Hon Megan Woods I call the Hon Megan Woods also I call the Hon Megan Woods also joining I call the Hon Megan Woods also joining us I call the Hon Megan Woods also joining us remotely. joining us remotely. Mr joining us remotely. Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker. Yesterday, made Mr Speaker. Yesterday, along made Mr Speaker. Yesterday, along with made Mr Speaker. Yesterday, along with the made Mr Speaker. Yesterday, along with the Minister, made Mr Speaker. Yesterday, along with the Minister, we made Mr Speaker. Yesterday, along with the Minister, we announced made Mr Speaker. Yesterday, along with the Minister, we announced New made the Minister, we announced New Zealand's made the Minister, we announced New Zealand's continued made the Minister, we announced New Zealand's continued support made the Minister, we announced New Zealand's continued support of made Zealand's continued support of global made Zealand's continued support of global vaccine made Zealand's continued support of global vaccine development made Zealand's continued support of global vaccine development through made Zealand's continued support of global vaccine development through a made global vaccine development through a further made global vaccine development through a further $10 made global vaccine development through a further $10 million made global vaccine development through a further $10 million pledge made global vaccine development through a further $10 million pledge to made global vaccine development through a further $10 million pledge to the made further $10 million pledge to the Coalition made further $10 million pledge to the Coalition for made further $10 million pledge to the Coalition for epidemic made further $10 million pledge to the Coalition for epidemic preparations. made Coalition for epidemic preparations. It made Coalition for epidemic preparations. It plays made Coalition for epidemic preparations. It plays a made Coalition for epidemic preparations. It plays a role made Coalition for epidemic preparations. It plays a role for made Coalition for epidemic preparations. It plays a role for supporting made Coalition for epidemic preparations. 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Supplementary. to respond to any future epidemics. Supplementary. How to respond to any future epidemics. Supplementary. How else to respond to any future epidemics. Supplementary. How else is to respond to any future epidemics. Supplementary. How else is the Supplementary. How else is the Government Supplementary. How else is the Government supporting Supplementary. How else is the Government supporting development Supplementary. How else is the Government supporting development of Government supporting development of New Government supporting development of New Zealand's Government supporting development of New Zealand's science Government supporting development of New Zealand's science and Government supporting development of New Zealand's science and innovation New Zealand's science and innovation capability New Zealand's science and innovation capability to New Zealand's science and innovation capability to respond New Zealand's science and innovation capability to respond to New Zealand's science and innovation capability to respond to future capability to respond to future pandemics? capability to respond to future pandemics? We've capability to respond to future pandemics? We've supported capability to respond to future pandemics? We've supported domestic pandemics? We've supported domestic innovation pandemics? We've supported domestic innovation to pandemics? We've supported domestic innovation to support pandemics? We've supported domestic innovation to support future innovation to support future pandemic innovation to support future pandemic preparedness innovation to support future pandemic preparedness through innovation to support future pandemic preparedness through the pandemic preparedness through the COVID-19 pandemic preparedness through the COVID-19 innovation pandemic preparedness through the COVID-19 innovation acceleration COVID-19 innovation acceleration fund, COVID-19 innovation acceleration fund, investing COVID-19 innovation acceleration fund, investing a COVID-19 innovation acceleration fund, investing a total COVID-19 innovation acceleration fund, investing a total of COVID-19 innovation acceleration fund, investing a total of $33 fund, investing a total of $33 million fund, investing a total of $33 million to fund, investing a total of $33 million to develop fund, investing a total of $33 million to develop solutions fund, investing a total of $33 million to develop solutions to million to develop solutions to manage million to develop solutions to manage COVID-19, million to develop solutions to manage COVID-19, including million to develop solutions to manage COVID-19, including pandemic manage COVID-19, including pandemic prediction manage COVID-19, including pandemic prediction and manage COVID-19, including pandemic prediction and monitoring, manage COVID-19, including pandemic prediction and monitoring, wellbeing prediction and monitoring, wellbeing and prediction and monitoring, wellbeing and protective prediction and monitoring, wellbeing and protective equipment. prediction and monitoring, wellbeing and protective equipment. 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The Government has invested $10 million Government has invested $10 million into Government has invested $10 million into building Government has invested $10 million into building vaccine Government has invested $10 million into building vaccine research into building vaccine research capability into building vaccine research capability and into building vaccine research capability and links into building vaccine research capability and links to into building vaccine research capability and links to New into building vaccine research capability and links to New Zealand capability and links to New Zealand based capability and links to New Zealand based manufacturing capability and links to New Zealand based manufacturing through capability and links to New Zealand based manufacturing through the based manufacturing through the vaccine based manufacturing through the vaccine alliance based manufacturing through the vaccine alliance of based manufacturing through the vaccine alliance of Aotearoa based manufacturing through the vaccine alliance of Aotearoa New vaccine alliance of Aotearoa New Zealand. vaccine alliance of Aotearoa New Zealand. And vaccine alliance of Aotearoa New Zealand. And is vaccine alliance of Aotearoa New Zealand. And is investing vaccine alliance of Aotearoa New Zealand. And is investing $36 Zealand. And is investing $36 million Zealand. And is investing $36 million into Zealand. And is investing $36 million into infectious Zealand. And is investing $36 million into infectious disease million into infectious disease research million into infectious disease research that million into infectious disease research that will million into infectious disease research that will help million into infectious disease research that will help us million into infectious disease research that will help us to research that will help us to respond research that will help us to respond to research that will help us to respond to future research that will help us to respond to future pandemics. respond to future pandemics. Supplementary. respond to future pandemics. Supplementary. How respond to future pandemics. Supplementary. How is respond to future pandemics. Supplementary. How is New respond to future pandemics. Supplementary. How is New Zealand Supplementary. How is New Zealand supporting Supplementary. How is New Zealand supporting our Supplementary. How is New Zealand supporting our partners Supplementary. How is New Zealand supporting our partners to Supplementary. How is New Zealand supporting our partners to respond supporting our partners to respond to supporting our partners to respond to the supporting our partners to respond to the pandemic, supporting our partners to respond to the pandemic, especially supporting our partners to respond to the pandemic, especially in supporting our partners to respond to the pandemic, especially in the to the pandemic, especially in the Pacific? to the pandemic, especially in the Pacific? Mr to the pandemic, especially in the Pacific? Mr Speaker, to the pandemic, especially in the Pacific? Mr Speaker, Government to the pandemic, especially in the Pacific? Mr Speaker, Government is Pacific? Mr Speaker, Government is committed Pacific? Mr Speaker, Government is committed to Pacific? Mr Speaker, Government is committed to ensuring Pacific? Mr Speaker, Government is committed to ensuring Pacific Pacific? Mr Speaker, Government is committed to ensuring Pacific Island committed to ensuring Pacific Island countries committed to ensuring Pacific Island countries are committed to ensuring Pacific Island countries are supported committed to ensuring Pacific Island countries are supported to committed to ensuring Pacific Island countries are supported to meet countries are supported to meet their countries are supported to meet their ongoing countries are supported to meet their ongoing COVID-19 countries are supported to meet their ongoing COVID-19 vaccination their ongoing COVID-19 vaccination needs. their ongoing COVID-19 vaccination needs. So their ongoing COVID-19 vaccination needs. So far their ongoing COVID-19 vaccination needs. So far that their ongoing COVID-19 vaccination needs. So far that we've their ongoing COVID-19 vaccination needs. So far that we've donated needs. So far that we've donated over needs. So far that we've donated over 200,000 needs. So far that we've donated over 200,000 doses needs. So far that we've donated over 200,000 doses from needs. So far that we've donated over 200,000 doses from the needs. So far that we've donated over 200,000 doses from the domestic over 200,000 doses from the domestic portfolio over 200,000 doses from the domestic portfolio to over 200,000 doses from the domestic portfolio to the over 200,000 doses from the domestic portfolio to the Pacific. over 200,000 doses from the domestic portfolio to the Pacific. And over 200,000 doses from the domestic portfolio to the Pacific. And also portfolio to the Pacific. And also making portfolio to the Pacific. And also making efforts portfolio to the Pacific. And also making efforts to portfolio to the Pacific. And also making efforts to reach portfolio to the Pacific. And also making efforts to reach the portfolio to the Pacific. And also making efforts to reach the global making efforts to reach the global World making efforts to reach the global World Health making efforts to reach the global World Health Organization's making efforts to reach the global World Health Organization's 70% World Health Organization's 70% target World Health Organization's 70% target this World Health Organization's 70% target this year World Health Organization's 70% target this year by World Health Organization's 70% target this year by contributing target this year by contributing another target this year by contributing another 77.3 target this year by contributing another 77.3 million target this year by contributing another 77.3 million fully target this year by contributing another 77.3 million fully funded another 77.3 million fully funded doses another 77.3 million fully funded doses to another 77.3 million fully funded doses to COVAX another 77.3 million fully funded doses to COVAX which another 77.3 million fully funded doses to COVAX which could another 77.3 million fully funded doses to COVAX which could help another 77.3 million fully funded doses to COVAX which could help in doses to COVAX which could help in the doses to COVAX which could help in the Pacific doses to COVAX which could help in the Pacific and doses to COVAX which could help in the Pacific and Africa. doses to COVAX which could help in the Pacific and Africa. We doses to COVAX which could help in the Pacific and Africa. We now doses to COVAX which could help in the Pacific and Africa. We now come the Pacific and Africa. We now come to the Pacific and Africa. We now come to Question the Pacific and Africa. We now come to Question No. the Pacific and Africa. We now come to Question No. 2. 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I I call I call the I call the Hon I call the Hon Nanaia I call the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. I call the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Yes. I call the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Yes. And I call the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Yes. And most I call the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Yes. And most of I call the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Yes. And most of the I call the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Yes. And most of the local I call the Hon Nanaia Mahuta. Yes. And most of the local Government And most of the local Government sector And most of the local Government sector agree And most of the local Government sector agree that And most of the local Government sector agree that the And most of the local Government sector agree that the status And most of the local Government sector agree that the status quo And most of the local Government sector agree that the status quo is sector agree that the status quo is not sector agree that the status quo is not working. sector agree that the status quo is not working. The sector agree that the status quo is not working. The changes sector agree that the status quo is not working. The changes proposed sector agree that the status quo is not working. The changes proposed by not working. The changes proposed by the not working. The changes proposed by the Government not working. The changes proposed by the Government are not working. The changes proposed by the Government are designed not working. The changes proposed by the Government are designed to the Government are designed to deliver the Government are designed to deliver safe the Government are designed to deliver safe reliable the Government are designed to deliver safe reliable drinking deliver safe reliable drinking water, deliver safe reliable drinking water, financially deliver safe reliable drinking water, financially sustainable deliver safe reliable drinking water, financially sustainable way water, financially sustainable way of water, financially sustainable way of investing water, financially sustainable way of investing in water, financially sustainable way of investing in infrastructure of investing in infrastructure long-term, of investing in infrastructure long-term, better of investing in infrastructure long-term, better environmental long-term, better environmental outcomes long-term, better environmental outcomes - long-term, better environmental outcomes - all long-term, better environmental outcomes - all of long-term, better environmental outcomes - all of which long-term, better environmental outcomes - all of which are outcomes - all of which are affordable outcomes - all of which are affordable for outcomes - all of which are affordable for rate outcomes - all of which are affordable for rate payers outcomes - all of which are affordable for rate payers and outcomes - all of which are affordable for rate payers and every affordable for rate payers and every community affordable for rate payers and every community big affordable for rate payers and every community big and affordable for rate payers and every community big and small. affordable for rate payers and every community big and small. 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We come to all of those range of challenges. We come to Question all of those range of challenges. We come to Question No. all of those range of challenges. We come to Question No. 3. all of those range of challenges. We come to Question No. 3. Vanushi come to Question No. 3. Vanushi Walters come to Question No. 3. Vanushi Walters joining come to Question No. 3. Vanushi Walters joining us come to Question No. 3. Vanushi Walters joining us remotely. 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I I want I want to I want to acknowledge I want to acknowledge that I want to acknowledge that Parliament I want to acknowledge that Parliament has I want to acknowledge that Parliament has unanimously I want to acknowledge that Parliament has unanimously passed Parliament has unanimously passed sanctions Parliament has unanimously passed sanctions in Parliament has unanimously passed sanctions in response Parliament has unanimously passed sanctions in response to Parliament has unanimously passed sanctions in response to Russia's sanctions in response to Russia's war sanctions in response to Russia's war on sanctions in response to Russia's war on Ukraine. sanctions in response to Russia's war on Ukraine. The sanctions in response to Russia's war on Ukraine. The legislation war on Ukraine. The legislation allows war on Ukraine. The legislation allows us war on Ukraine. The legislation allows us to war on Ukraine. The legislation allows us to step war on Ukraine. The legislation allows us to step up war on Ukraine. The legislation allows us to step up the war on Ukraine. The legislation allows us to step up the response war on Ukraine. The legislation allows us to step up the response to allows us to step up the response to Russia's allows us to step up the response to Russia's grave allows us to step up the response to Russia's grave unprovoked allows us to step up the response to Russia's grave unprovoked war allows us to step up the response to Russia's grave unprovoked war on allows us to step up the response to Russia's grave unprovoked war on the Russia's grave unprovoked war on the Ukrainian Russia's grave unprovoked war on the Ukrainian people. Russia's grave unprovoked war on the Ukrainian people. The Russia's grave unprovoked war on the Ukrainian people. The new Russia's grave unprovoked war on the Ukrainian people. The new Russia Ukrainian people. The new Russia Sanctions Ukrainian people. The new Russia Sanctions Act Ukrainian people. The new Russia Sanctions Act enables Ukrainian people. The new Russia Sanctions Act enables New Ukrainian people. The new Russia Sanctions Act enables New Zealand's Sanctions Act enables New Zealand's Foreign Sanctions Act enables New Zealand's Foreign Minister Sanctions Act enables New Zealand's Foreign Minister to Sanctions Act enables New Zealand's Foreign Minister to issue Sanctions Act enables New Zealand's Foreign Minister to issue specific Foreign Minister to issue specific sanctions Foreign Minister to issue specific sanctions against Foreign Minister to issue specific sanctions against those Foreign Minister to issue specific sanctions against those who Foreign Minister to issue specific sanctions against those who are sanctions against those who are linked sanctions against those who are linked to sanctions against those who are linked to Russia's sanctions against those who are linked to Russia's war sanctions against those who are linked to Russia's war in sanctions against those who are linked to Russia's war in Ukraine, linked to Russia's war in Ukraine, or linked to Russia's war in Ukraine, or who linked to Russia's war in Ukraine, or who are linked to Russia's war in Ukraine, or who are of linked to Russia's war in Ukraine, or who are of economical linked to Russia's war in Ukraine, or who are of economical importance or who are of economical importance to or who are of economical importance to putea or who are of economical importance to putea -- or who are of economical importance to putea -- Putin's or who are of economical importance to putea -- Putin's regime. or who are of economical importance to putea -- Putin's regime. The to putea -- Putin's regime. The legislation to putea -- Putin's regime. The legislation allows to putea -- Putin's regime. The legislation allows Government to putea -- Putin's regime. The legislation allows Government to legislation allows Government to ramp legislation allows Government to ramp up legislation allows Government to ramp up its legislation allows Government to ramp up its sanctions legislation allows Government to ramp up its sanctions response legislation allows Government to ramp up its sanctions response as ramp up its sanctions response as needed. ramp up its sanctions response as needed. The ramp up its sanctions response as needed. The addition ramp up its sanctions response as needed. The addition of ramp up its sanctions response as needed. The addition of sanctions needed. The addition of sanctions builds needed. The addition of sanctions builds on needed. The addition of sanctions builds on the needed. The addition of sanctions builds on the measures needed. The addition of sanctions builds on the measures we needed. The addition of sanctions builds on the measures we have builds on the measures we have already builds on the measures we have already implemented builds on the measures we have already implemented to builds on the measures we have already implemented to condemn builds on the measures we have already implemented to condemn and already implemented to condemn and punish already implemented to condemn and punish Russia's already implemented to condemn and punish Russia's actions. already implemented to condemn and punish Russia's actions. This punish Russia's actions. This includes punish Russia's actions. This includes targeted punish Russia's actions. This includes targeted travel punish Russia's actions. This includes targeted travel bans, includes targeted travel bans, export includes targeted travel bans, export controls includes targeted travel bans, export controls and includes targeted travel bans, export controls and an includes targeted travel bans, export controls and an initial includes targeted travel bans, export controls and an initial $2 export controls and an initial $2 million export controls and an initial $2 million in export controls and an initial $2 million in humanitarian export controls and an initial $2 million in humanitarian aid export controls and an initial $2 million in humanitarian aid to million in humanitarian aid to support million in humanitarian aid to support those million in humanitarian aid to support those in million in humanitarian aid to support those in Ukraine. million in humanitarian aid to million in humanitarian aid to support those in Ukraine. support those in Ukraine. Supplementary million in humanitarian aid to support those in Ukraine. 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The act sets a framework which enables me, sets a framework which enables me, as sets a framework which enables me, as Foreign sets a framework which enables me, as Foreign Minister, sets a framework which enables me, as Foreign Minister, to sets a framework which enables me, as Foreign Minister, to recommend as Foreign Minister, to recommend specific as Foreign Minister, to recommend specific sanctions as Foreign Minister, to recommend specific sanctions through specific sanctions through regulations specific sanctions through regulations which specific sanctions through regulations which we specific sanctions through regulations which we will specific sanctions through regulations which we will be specific sanctions through regulations which we will be able specific sanctions through regulations which we will be able to regulations which we will be able to stop regulations which we will be able to stop or regulations which we will be able to stop or people regulations which we will be able to stop or people or regulations which we will be able to stop or people or companies regulations which we will be able to stop or people or companies from stop or people or companies from travelling stop or people or companies from travelling to stop or people or companies from travelling to or stop or people or companies from travelling to or from stop or people or companies from travelling to or from New stop or people or companies from travelling to or from New Zealand, travelling to or from New Zealand, or travelling to or from New Zealand, or staying travelling to or from New Zealand, or staying here travelling to or from New Zealand, or staying here if travelling to or from New Zealand, or staying here if they're travelling to or from New Zealand, or staying here if they're already or staying here if they're already here. or staying here if they're already here. Moving or staying here if they're already here. Moving assets or staying here if they're already here. Moving assets to or staying here if they're already here. Moving assets to New or staying here if they're already here. Moving assets to New Zealand here. Moving assets to New Zealand or here. Moving assets to New Zealand or using here. Moving assets to New Zealand or using assets here. Moving assets to New Zealand or using assets already here. Moving assets to New Zealand or using assets already here. or using assets already here. Providing or using assets already here. Providing or or using assets already here. Providing or using or using assets already here. Providing or using services or using assets already here. Providing or using services like Providing or using services like banks, Providing or using services like banks, loans, Providing or using services like banks, loans, legal Providing or using services like banks, loans, legal services. Providing or using services like banks, loans, legal services. This banks, loans, legal services. This means banks, loans, legal services. This means we banks, loans, legal services. This means we can, banks, loans, legal services. This means we can, for banks, loans, legal services. This means we can, for example, banks, loans, legal services. This means we can, for example, stop banks, loans, legal services. 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On this side of the House, we will continue to support New we will continue to support New Zealanders we will continue to support New Zealanders with we will continue to support New Zealanders with the we will continue to support New Zealanders with the increasing we will continue to support New Zealanders with the increasing costs Zealanders with the increasing costs they're Zealanders with the increasing costs they're facing. they're facing. We they're facing. We now they're facing. We now come they're facing. We now come to they're facing. We now come to Question they're facing. We now come to Question No. they're facing. We now come to Question No. 5. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: My question is to the Minister of Police: What My question is to the Minister of Police: What recent My question is to the Minister of Police: What recent reports My question is to the Minister of Police: What recent reports has My question is to the Minister of Police: What recent reports has she Police: What recent reports has she seen Police: What recent reports has she seen regarding Police: What recent reports has she seen regarding the Police: What recent reports has she seen regarding the disruption Police: What recent reports has she seen regarding the disruption of seen regarding the disruption of organised seen regarding the disruption of organised crime? The The Hon The Hon Poto The Hon Poto Williams. The Hon Poto Williams. I've The Hon Poto Williams. I've seen The Hon Poto Williams. I've seen a The Hon Poto Williams. I've seen a report The Hon Poto Williams. I've seen a report that The Hon Poto Williams. I've seen a report that police The Hon Poto Williams. I've seen a report that police will The Hon Poto Williams. I've seen a report that police will continue The Hon Poto Williams. I've seen a report that police will continue a report that police will continue a major report that police will continue a major operation report that police will continue a major operation to report that police will continue a major operation to crack report that police will continue a major operation to crack down report that police will continue a major operation to crack down on major operation to crack down on gangs major operation to crack down on gangs and major operation to crack down on gangs and organised major operation to crack down on gangs and organised crime major operation to crack down on gangs and organised crime with major operation to crack down on gangs and organised crime with the gangs and organised crime with the extension gangs and organised crime with the extension of gangs and organised crime with the extension of The gangs and organised crime with the extension of The operation gangs and organised crime with the extension of The operation anouned extension of The operation anouned on extension of The operation anouned on Tuesday. extension of The operation anouned on Tuesday. It extension of The operation anouned on Tuesday. It is extension of The operation anouned on Tuesday. It is a extension of The operation anouned on Tuesday. It is a nationally on Tuesday. It is a nationally coordinated on Tuesday. It is a nationally coordinated operation on Tuesday. It is a nationally coordinated operation that on Tuesday. It is a nationally coordinated operation that we coordinated operation that we launched coordinated operation that we launched in coordinated operation that we launched in February coordinated operation that we launched in February 2021. coordinated operation that we launched in February 2021. With coordinated operation that we launched in February 2021. With the launched in February 2021. With the gangs launched in February 2021. With the gangs and launched in February 2021. With the gangs and organised launched in February 2021. With the gangs and organised crime launched in February 2021. With the gangs and organised crime groups. gangs and organised crime groups. The gangs and organised crime groups. The operation gangs and organised crime groups. The operation will gangs and organised crime groups. The operation will run gangs and organised crime groups. The operation will run until gangs and organised crime groups. The operation will run until June The operation will run until June 2022 The operation will run until June 2022 ensuring The operation will run until June 2022 ensuring that The operation will run until June 2022 ensuring that the The operation will run until June 2022 ensuring that the incredible 2022 ensuring that the incredible successful 2022 ensuring that the incredible successful year-long 2022 ensuring that the incredible successful year-long operation 2022 ensuring that the incredible successful year-long operation will successful year-long operation will continue successful year-long operation will continue to successful year-long operation will continue to significantly successful year-long operation will continue to significantly disrupt continue to significantly disrupt organised continue to significantly disrupt organised crime continue to significantly disrupt organised crime in continue to significantly disrupt organised crime in New continue to significantly disrupt organised crime in New Zealand. continue to significantly disrupt organised crime in New Zealand. What organised crime in New Zealand. What if organised crime in New Zealand. What if any, organised crime in New Zealand. What if any, has organised crime in New Zealand. What if any, has the organised crime in New Zealand. What if any, has the operation organised crime in New Zealand. What if any, has the operation had organised crime in New Zealand. What if any, has the operation had in organised crime in New Zealand. What if any, has the operation had in the if any, has the operation had in the past if any, has the operation had in the past year? if any, has the operation had in the past year? The if any, has the operation had in the past year? The operation if any, has the operation had in the past year? The operation is if any, has the operation had in the past year? The operation is one if any, has the operation had in the past year? The operation is one of past year? The operation is one of the past year? The operation is one of the most past year? The operation is one of the most successful past year? The operation is one of the most successful police the most successful police operations the most successful police operations ever the most successful police operations ever undertaken the most successful police operations ever undertaken in the most successful police operations ever undertaken in New operations ever undertaken in New Zealand operations ever undertaken in New Zealand to operations ever undertaken in New Zealand to combat operations ever undertaken in New Zealand to combat organised operations ever undertaken in New Zealand to combat organised crime. Zealand to combat organised crime. As Zealand to combat organised crime. As part Zealand to combat organised crime. As part of Zealand to combat organised crime. As part of the Zealand to combat organised crime. As part of the operation, Zealand to combat organised crime. As part of the operation, police As part of the operation, police have As part of the operation, police have taken As part of the operation, police have taken 1,531 As part of the operation, police have taken 1,531 firearms As part of the operation, police have taken 1,531 firearms off As part of the operation, police have taken 1,531 firearms off the have taken 1,531 firearms off the street, have taken 1,531 firearms off the street, arrested have taken 1,531 firearms off the street, arrested 1,255 have taken 1,531 firearms off the street, arrested 1,255 people. have taken 1,531 firearms off the street, arrested 1,255 people. Taken street, arrested 1,255 people. Taken 53 street, arrested 1,255 people. Taken 53 kg street, arrested 1,255 people. Taken 53 kg of street, arrested 1,255 people. Taken 53 kg of methamphetamine street, arrested 1,255 people. Taken 53 kg of methamphetamine out street, arrested 1,255 people. Taken 53 kg of methamphetamine out of 53 kg of methamphetamine out of circulation 53 kg of methamphetamine out of circulation and 53 kg of methamphetamine out of circulation and conducted 53 kg of methamphetamine out of circulation and conducted 936 circulation and conducted 936 searches circulation and conducted 936 searches under circulation and conducted 936 searches under warrant, circulation and conducted 936 searches under warrant, as circulation and conducted 936 searches under warrant, as well circulation and conducted 936 searches under warrant, as well as searches under warrant, as well as 634 searches under warrant, as well as 634 warrantless searches under warrant, as well as 634 warrantless searches. searches under warrant, as well as 634 warrantless searches. A searches under warrant, as well as 634 warrantless searches. A key 634 warrantless searches. A key focus 634 warrantless searches. A key focus of 634 warrantless searches. A key focus of the 634 warrantless searches. A key focus of the operation 634 warrantless searches. A key focus of the operation has 634 warrantless searches. A key focus of the operation has been 634 warrantless searches. A key focus of the operation has been and focus of the operation has been and will focus of the operation has been and will continue focus of the operation has been and will continue to focus of the operation has been and will continue to be focus of the operation has been and will continue to be investigating will continue to be investigating and will continue to be investigating and disrupting will continue to be investigating and disrupting the will continue to be investigating and disrupting the illegal will continue to be investigating and disrupting the illegal supply will continue to be investigating and disrupting the illegal supply of and disrupting the illegal supply of firearms and disrupting the illegal supply of firearms and and disrupting the illegal supply of firearms and gangs and disrupting the illegal supply of firearms and gangs to and disrupting the illegal supply of firearms and gangs to organised firearms and gangs to organised crime firearms and gangs to organised crime groups. firearms and gangs to organised crime groups. Supplementary. firearms and gangs to organised crime groups. Supplementary. What crime groups. Supplementary. What other crime groups. Supplementary. What other reports crime groups. Supplementary. What other reports has crime groups. Supplementary. What other reports has she crime groups. Supplementary. What other reports has she seen crime groups. Supplementary. What other reports has she seen with other reports has she seen with police other reports has she seen with police operations other reports has she seen with police operations targeting other reports has she seen with police operations targeting gangs police operations targeting gangs and police operations targeting gangs and organised police operations targeting gangs and organised crime? police operations targeting gangs and organised crime? Police police operations targeting gangs and organised crime? Police have police operations targeting gangs and organised crime? Police have a and organised crime? Police have a number and organised crime? Police have a number of and organised crime? Police have a number of major and organised crime? Police have a number of major operations and organised crime? Police have a number of major operations under and organised crime? Police have a number of major operations under way number of major operations under way at number of major operations under way at any number of major operations under way at any one number of major operations under way at any one time number of major operations under way at any one time to number of major operations under way at any one time to break number of major operations under way at any one time to break up number of major operations under way at any one time to break up gangs at any one time to break up gangs and at any one time to break up gangs and organised at any one time to break up gangs and organised crime. at any one time to break up gangs and organised crime. 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The successful multiagency identified successful multiagency identified the successful multiagency identified the shipment successful multiagency identified the shipment of successful multiagency identified the shipment of more successful multiagency identified the shipment of more than successful multiagency identified the shipment of more than half successful multiagency identified the shipment of more than half a successful multiagency identified the shipment of more than half a ton the shipment of more than half a ton of the shipment of more than half a ton of methamphetamine the shipment of more than half a ton of methamphetamine arriving the shipment of more than half a ton of methamphetamine arriving to of methamphetamine arriving to Auckland of methamphetamine arriving to Auckland Airport of methamphetamine arriving to Auckland Airport on of methamphetamine arriving to Auckland Airport on 24 of methamphetamine arriving to Auckland Airport on 24 February. of methamphetamine arriving to Auckland Airport on 24 February. The Auckland Airport on 24 February. The street Auckland Airport on 24 February. The street value Auckland Airport on 24 February. The street value of Auckland Airport on 24 February. The street value of this Auckland Airport on 24 February. The street value of this seizure Auckland Airport on 24 February. The street value of this seizure is street value of this seizure is estimated street value of this seizure is estimated to street value of this seizure is estimated to be street value of this seizure is estimated to be more street value of this seizure is estimated to be more than street value of this seizure is estimated to be more than $245 estimated to be more than $245 million. estimated to be more than $245 million. The estimated to be more than $245 million. The operation estimated to be more than $245 million. The operation strikes estimated to be more than $245 million. The operation strikes a million. The operation strikes a major million. 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The operation strikes a major blow against the I portation major blow against the I portation of major blow against the I portation of drugs major blow against the I portation of drugs into major blow against the I portation of drugs into New major blow against the I portation of drugs into New Zealand. major blow against the I portation of drugs into New Zealand. -- major blow against the I portation of drugs into New Zealand. -- the of drugs into New Zealand. -- the importation of drugs into New Zealand. -- the importation of of drugs into New Zealand. -- the importation of drugs of drugs into New Zealand. -- the importation of drugs into of drugs into New Zealand. -- the importation of drugs into New importation of drugs into New Zealand. importation of drugs into New Zealand. We importation of drugs into New Zealand. We now importation of drugs into New Zealand. We now have importation of drugs into New Zealand. We now have a importation of drugs into New Zealand. We now have a supplementary Zealand. We now have a supplementary from Zealand. We now have a supplementary from the Zealand. We now have a supplementary from the Hon Zealand. We now have a supplementary from the Hon Mark Zealand. We now have a supplementary from the Hon Mark Mitchell. from the Hon Mark Mitchell. Thank from the Hon Mark Mitchell. Thank you, from the Hon Mark Mitchell. Thank you, to from the Hon Mark Mitchell. Thank you, to the from the Hon Mark Mitchell. Thank you, to the Minister from the Hon Mark Mitchell. Thank you, to the Minister of Thank you, to the Minister of Police. Thank you, to the Minister of Police. Is Thank you, to the Minister of Police. Is she Thank you, to the Minister of Police. Is she aware Thank you, to the Minister of Police. Is she aware that Thank you, to the Minister of Police. Is she aware that gang Police. Is she aware that gang membership Police. Is she aware that gang membership has Police. Is she aware that gang membership has increased Police. Is she aware that gang membership has increased by Police. Is she aware that gang membership has increased by over Police. Is she aware that gang membership has increased by over 50% membership has increased by over 50% since membership has increased by over 50% since Labour membership has increased by over 50% since Labour came membership has increased by over 50% since Labour came into membership has increased by over 50% since Labour came into office? membership has increased by over 50% since Labour came into office? And since Labour came into office? And is since Labour came into office? And is she since Labour came into office? And is she surprised since Labour came into office? And is she surprised by since Labour came into office? And is she surprised by comments since Labour came into office? And is she surprised by comments by since Labour came into office? And is she surprised by comments by a is she surprised by comments by a local is she surprised by comments by a local business is she surprised by comments by a local business owner is she surprised by comments by a local business owner where is she surprised by comments by a local business owner where a is she surprised by comments by a local business owner where a stray local business owner where a stray bullet local business owner where a stray bullet from local business owner where a stray bullet from a local business owner where a stray bullet from a gang local business owner where a stray bullet from a gang brawl local business owner where a stray bullet from a gang brawl injured local business owner where a stray bullet from a gang brawl injured a bullet from a gang brawl injured a staff bullet from a gang brawl injured a staff member, bullet from a gang brawl injured a staff member, saying bullet from a gang brawl injured a staff member, saying that bullet from a gang brawl injured a staff member, saying that the staff member, saying that the Government staff member, saying that the Government is staff member, saying that the Government is delusional staff member, saying that the Government is delusional when Government is delusional when talking Government is delusional when talking about Government is delusional when talking about its Government is delusional when talking about its efforts Government is delusional when talking about its efforts to Government is delusional when talking about its efforts to quash talking about its efforts to quash gangs? talking about its efforts to quash gangs? 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This Government has made record investments member. This Government has made record investments into member. This Government has made record investments into our member. This Government has made record investments into our police record investments into our police and record investments into our police and put record investments into our police and put more record investments into our police and put more police record investments into our police and put more police on record investments into our police and put more police on the record investments into our police and put more police on the beat. and put more police on the beat. Those and put more police on the beat. Those investments and put more police on the beat. Those investments have and put more police on the beat. Those investments have supported Those investments have supported police Those investments have supported police to Those investments have supported police to undertake Those investments have supported police to undertake operations Those investments have supported police to undertake operations such police to undertake operations such as police to undertake operations such as this police to undertake operations such as this one, police to undertake operations such as this one, one police to undertake operations such as this one, one of police to undertake operations such as this one, one of the police to undertake operations such as this one, one of the most as this one, one of the most successful as this one, one of the most successful police as this one, one of the most successful police operations as this one, one of the most successful police operations against successful police operations against gangs successful police operations against gangs and successful police operations against gangs and organised successful police operations against gangs and organised crime. successful police operations against gangs and organised crime. I successful police operations against gangs and organised crime. I would gangs and organised crime. I would note gangs and organised crime. I would note that gangs and organised crime. I would note that the gangs and organised crime. I would note that the previous gangs and organised crime. I would note that the previous Government note that the previous Government announced note that the previous Government announced firearms note that the previous Government announced firearms prohibition announced firearms prohibition orders announced firearms prohibition orders for announced firearms prohibition orders for example announced firearms prohibition orders for example in announced firearms prohibition orders for example in 2014 announced firearms prohibition orders for example in 2014 and announced firearms prohibition orders for example in 2014 and 2016, orders for example in 2014 and 2016, and orders for example in 2014 and 2016, and yet, orders for example in 2014 and 2016, and yet, failed orders for example in 2014 and 2016, and yet, failed to orders for example in 2014 and 2016, and yet, failed to introduce orders for example in 2014 and 2016, and yet, failed to introduce the and yet, failed to introduce the legislation. and yet, failed to introduce the legislation. This and yet, failed to introduce the legislation. This Government and yet, failed to introduce the legislation. This Government has and yet, failed to introduce the legislation. This Government has a legislation. This Government has a bill legislation. This Government has a bill before legislation. This Government has a bill before select legislation. This Government has a bill before select committee legislation. This Government has a bill before select committee that bill before select committee that will bill before select committee that will give bill before select committee that will give police bill before select committee that will give police more bill before select committee that will give police more tools bill before select committee that will give police more tools to bill before select committee that will give police more tools to crack will give police more tools to crack down will give police more tools to crack down on will give police more tools to crack down on gun will give police more tools to crack down on gun crime. will give police more tools to crack down on gun crime. The will give police more tools to crack down on gun crime. The Hon will give police more tools to crack down on gun crime. The Hon Mark down on gun crime. The Hon Mark Mitchell, down on gun crime. The Hon Mark Mitchell, supplementary. down on gun crime. The Hon Mark Mitchell, supplementary. I down on gun crime. The Hon Mark Mitchell, supplementary. I only down on gun crime. The Hon Mark Mitchell, supplementary. I only had Mitchell, supplementary. I only had one Mitchell, supplementary. I only had one supplementary Mitchell, supplementary. I only had one supplementary but Mitchell, supplementary. I only had one supplementary but I'm Mitchell, supplementary. I only had one supplementary but I'm happy Mitchell, supplementary. I only had one supplementary but I'm happy to one supplementary but I'm happy to take one supplementary but I'm happy to take another one supplementary but I'm happy to take another one! one supplementary but I'm happy to take another one! <LAUGHTER> take another one! <LAUGHTER> I take another one! <LAUGHTER> I beg take another one! <LAUGHTER> I beg your take another one! <LAUGHTER> I beg your pardon, take another one! <LAUGHTER> I beg your pardon, my take another one! <LAUGHTER> I beg your pardon, my mistake! take another one! <LAUGHTER> I beg your pardon, my mistake! We'll I beg your pardon, my mistake! We'll go I beg your pardon, my mistake! We'll go on I beg your pardon, my mistake! We'll go on to I beg your pardon, my mistake! We'll go on to the I beg your pardon, my mistake! We'll go on to the next I beg your pardon, my mistake! We'll go on to the next question! I beg your pardon, my mistake! We'll go on to the next question! Well, I beg your pardon, my mistake! 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: Does My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: Does he My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: Does he stand My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: Does he stand by COVID-19 Response: Does he stand by all COVID-19 Response: Does he stand by all his COVID-19 Response: Does he stand by all his statements COVID-19 Response: Does he stand by all his statements and COVID-19 Response: Does he stand by all his statements and actions COVID-19 Response: Does he stand by all his statements and actions in all his statements and actions in responding all his statements and actions in responding to all his statements and actions in responding to COVID-19? Yes, Yes, and Yes, and in Yes, and in particular, Yes, and in particular, I Yes, and in particular, I stand Yes, and in particular, I stand by Yes, and in particular, I stand by my Yes, and in particular, I stand by my announcement Yes, and in particular, I stand by my announcement this Yes, and in particular, I stand by my announcement this morning Yes, and in particular, I stand by my announcement this morning that my announcement this morning that 286 my announcement this morning that 286 our my announcement this morning that 286 our 3 my announcement this morning that 286 our 3 -- my announcement this morning that 286 our 3 -- 28 my announcement this morning that 286 our 3 -- 28 of my announcement this morning that 286 our 3 -- 28 of our my announcement this morning that 286 our 3 -- 28 of our 32 my announcement this morning that 286 our 3 -- 28 of our 32 managed 286 our 3 -- 28 of our 32 managed isolation 286 our 3 -- 28 of our 32 managed isolation will 286 our 3 -- 28 of our 32 managed isolation will return 286 our 3 -- 28 of our 32 managed isolation will return to 286 our 3 -- 28 of our 32 managed isolation will return to being isolation will return to being regular isolation will return to being regular by isolation will return to being regular by the isolation will return to being regular by the middle isolation will return to being regular by the middle of isolation will return to being regular by the middle of this isolation will return to being regular by the middle of this year. regular by the middle of this year. 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Our MIQ facilities have served us Our MIQ facilities have served us incredibly Our MIQ facilities have served us incredibly well Our MIQ facilities have served us incredibly well during Our MIQ facilities have served us incredibly well during the Our MIQ facilities have served us incredibly well during the course Our MIQ facilities have served us incredibly well during the course of incredibly well during the course of pandemic incredibly well during the course of pandemic and incredibly well during the course of pandemic and the incredibly well during the course of pandemic and the who incredibly well during the course of pandemic and the who have incredibly well during the course of pandemic and the who have worked incredibly well during the course of pandemic and the who have worked in pandemic and the who have worked in them pandemic and the who have worked in them deserve pandemic and the who have worked in them deserve particular them deserve particular acknowledgement them deserve particular acknowledgement for them deserve particular acknowledgement for placing acknowledgement for placing themselves acknowledgement for placing themselves on acknowledgement for placing themselves on the acknowledgement for placing themselves on the front-line acknowledgement for placing themselves on the front-line between themselves on the front-line between the themselves on the front-line between the virus themselves on the front-line between the virus and themselves on the front-line between the virus and New themselves on the front-line between the virus and New Zealanders. themselves on the front-line between the virus and New Zealanders. It's the virus and New Zealanders. It's been the virus and New Zealanders. It's been difficult the virus and New Zealanders. It's been difficult work the virus and New Zealanders. It's been difficult work and the virus and New Zealanders. It's been difficult work and I the virus and New Zealanders. It's been difficult work and I think the virus and New Zealanders. It's been difficult work and I think as the virus and New Zealanders. It's been difficult work and I think as a been difficult work and I think as a country, been difficult work and I think as a country, we been difficult work and I think as a country, we all been difficult work and I think as a country, we all owe been difficult work and I think as a country, we all owe them been difficult work and I think as a country, we all owe them a been difficult work and I think as a country, we all owe them a great been difficult work and I think as a country, we all owe them a great big country, we all owe them a great big vote country, we all owe them a great big vote of country, we all owe them a great big vote of thanks country, we all owe them a great big vote of thanks for country, we all owe them a great big vote of thanks for the country, we all owe them a great big vote of thanks for the enormous vote of thanks for the enormous contribution vote of thanks for the enormous contribution they vote of thanks for the enormous contribution they have vote of thanks for the enormous contribution they have made vote of thanks for the enormous contribution they have made to vote of thanks for the enormous contribution they have made to our contribution they have made to our COVID-19 contribution they have made to our COVID-19 response. contribution they have made to our COVID-19 response. Chris contribution they have made to our COVID-19 response. Chris Bishop. contribution they have made to our COVID-19 response. Chris Bishop. Why COVID-19 response. Chris Bishop. Why did COVID-19 response. Chris Bishop. Why did he COVID-19 response. Chris Bishop. Why did he publicly COVID-19 response. Chris Bishop. Why did he publicly disclose COVID-19 response. Chris Bishop. 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This maintaining critical links with overseas marks. This 1-year overseas marks. This 1-year extension overseas marks. This 1-year extension provides overseas marks. This 1-year extension provides a overseas marks. This 1-year extension provides a pathway overseas marks. This 1-year extension provides a pathway for extension provides a pathway for airlines extension provides a pathway for airlines to extension provides a pathway for airlines to exit extension provides a pathway for airlines to exit the extension provides a pathway for airlines to exit the scheme extension provides a pathway for airlines to exit the scheme as airlines to exit the scheme as passenger airlines to exit the scheme as passenger numbers airlines to exit the scheme as passenger numbers return airlines to exit the scheme as passenger numbers return to airlines to exit the scheme as passenger numbers return to normal passenger numbers return to normal in passenger numbers return to normal in the passenger numbers return to normal in the next passenger numbers return to normal in the next few passenger numbers return to normal in the next few months. passenger numbers return to normal in the next few months. As passenger numbers return to normal in the next few months. 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What in doing so, bolster our recovery from COVID-19. What are in doing so, bolster our recovery from COVID-19. What are the in doing so, bolster our recovery from COVID-19. What are the main from COVID-19. What are the main benefits from COVID-19. What are the main benefits of from COVID-19. What are the main benefits of this from COVID-19. What are the main benefits of this scheme? from COVID-19. What are the main benefits of this scheme? The from COVID-19. What are the main benefits of this scheme? The scheme benefits of this scheme? The scheme has benefits of this scheme? The scheme has played benefits of this scheme? The scheme has played a benefits of this scheme? The scheme has played a vital benefits of this scheme? The scheme has played a vital role benefits of this scheme? The scheme has played a vital role in benefits of this scheme? The scheme has played a vital role in ensuring has played a vital role in ensuring that has played a vital role in ensuring that New has played a vital role in ensuring that New Zealanders has played a vital role in ensuring that New Zealanders have has played a vital role in ensuring that New Zealanders have been has played a vital role in ensuring that New Zealanders have been able that New Zealanders have been able to that New Zealanders have been able to return that New Zealanders have been able to return home that New Zealanders have been able to return home during that New Zealanders have been able to return home during the that New Zealanders have been able to return home during the pandemic to return home during the pandemic as to return home during the pandemic as well to return home during the pandemic as well as to return home during the pandemic as well as ensuring to return home during the pandemic as well as ensuring that to return home during the pandemic as well as ensuring that we to return home during the pandemic as well as ensuring that we get to return home during the pandemic as well as ensuring that we get time as well as ensuring that we get time critical as well as ensuring that we get time critical supplies as well as ensuring that we get time critical supplies such as well as ensuring that we get time critical supplies such as as well as ensuring that we get time critical supplies such as medicines critical supplies such as medicines and critical supplies such as medicines and special critical supplies such as medicines and special equipment critical supplies such as medicines and special equipment into critical supplies such as medicines and special equipment into the and special equipment into the country and special equipment into the country quickly. and special equipment into the country quickly. 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Since May 2020, Government support has enabled more Government support has enabled more than Government support has enabled more than 12,300 Government support has enabled more than 12,300 flights Government support has enabled more than 12,300 flights carrying Government support has enabled more than 12,300 flights carrying 235,000 than 12,300 flights carrying 235,000 tonnes than 12,300 flights carrying 235,000 tonnes of than 12,300 flights carrying 235,000 tonnes of air than 12,300 flights carrying 235,000 tonnes of air freight than 12,300 flights carrying 235,000 tonnes of air freight with than 12,300 flights carrying 235,000 tonnes of air freight with a than 12,300 flights carrying 235,000 tonnes of air freight with a trade tonnes of air freight with a trade value tonnes of air freight with a trade value of tonnes of air freight with a trade value of $18.8 tonnes of air freight with a trade value of $18.8 billion. tonnes of air freight with a trade value of $18.8 billion. 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During the same period, nearly 105,000 people same period, nearly 105,000 people have same period, nearly 105,000 people have returned same period, nearly 105,000 people have returned to same period, nearly 105,000 people have returned to New same period, nearly 105,000 people have returned to New Zealand same period, nearly 105,000 people have returned to New Zealand on have returned to New Zealand on these have returned to New Zealand on these flights have returned to New Zealand on these flights which have returned to New Zealand on these flights which amounts have returned to New Zealand on these flights which amounts to these flights which amounts to approximately these flights which amounts to approximately nearly these flights which amounts to approximately nearly half these flights which amounts to approximately nearly half of these flights which amounts to approximately nearly half of those approximately nearly half of those who approximately nearly half of those who have approximately nearly half of those who have passed approximately nearly half of those who have passed through approximately nearly half of those who have passed through the approximately nearly half of those who have passed through the MIQ who have passed through the MIQ facilities. who have passed through the MIQ facilities. 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There would have been no flights to There would have been no flights to Tonga, There would have been no flights to Tonga, Samoa, There would have been no flights to Tonga, Samoa, the There would have been no flights to Tonga, Samoa, the Cook There would have been no flights to Tonga, Samoa, the Cook Islands There would have been no flights to Tonga, Samoa, the Cook Islands and Tonga, Samoa, the Cook Islands and Nua Tonga, Samoa, the Cook Islands and Nua without Tonga, Samoa, the Cook Islands and Nua without it. Tonga, Samoa, the Cook Islands and Nua without it. It Tonga, Samoa, the Cook Islands and Nua without it. It has Tonga, Samoa, the Cook Islands and Nua without it. It has essential Nua without it. It has essential connectivity Nua without it. It has essential connectivity including Nua without it. It has essential connectivity including for connectivity including for passengers connectivity including for passengers and connectivity including for passengers and critical connectivity including for passengers and critical supplies passengers and critical supplies which passengers and critical supplies which has passengers and critical supplies which has helped passengers and critical supplies which has helped these passengers and critical supplies which has helped these countries passengers and critical supplies which has helped these countries in which has helped these countries in their which has helped these countries in their pandemic which has helped these countries in their pandemic response which has helped these countries in their pandemic response by their pandemic response by maintaining their pandemic response by maintaining an their pandemic response by maintaining an economic their pandemic response by maintaining an economic lifeline their pandemic response by maintaining an economic lifeline and maintaining an economic lifeline and ensuring maintaining an economic lifeline and ensuring that maintaining an economic lifeline and ensuring that they maintaining an economic lifeline and ensuring that they could maintaining an economic lifeline and ensuring that they could access maintaining an economic lifeline and ensuring that they could access the ensuring that they could access the supplies ensuring that they could access the supplies that ensuring that they could access the supplies that they ensuring that they could access the supplies that they need ensuring that they could access the supplies that they need to ensuring that they could access the supplies that they need to fight ensuring that they could access the supplies that they need to fight and supplies that they need to fight and recover supplies that they need to fight and recover from supplies that they need to fight and recover from COVID-19. supplies that they need to fight and recover from COVID-19. We supplies that they need to fight and recover from COVID-19. We now supplies that they need to fight and recover from COVID-19. We now come recover from COVID-19. We now come to recover from COVID-19. We now come to Question recover from COVID-19. We now come to Question No. recover from COVID-19. We now come to Question No. 8. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development My question is to the Minister for Social Development and My question is to the Minister for Social Development and Employment My question is to the Minister for Social Development and Employment : Social Development and Employment : How Social Development and Employment : How many Social Development and Employment : How many people, Social Development and Employment : How many people, if Social Development and Employment : How many people, if any, Social Development and Employment : How many people, if any, received How many people, if any, received jobseeker How many people, if any, received jobseeker support How many people, if any, received jobseeker support for How many people, if any, received jobseeker support for one How many people, if any, received jobseeker support for one year How many people, if any, received jobseeker support for one year or jobseeker support for one year or longer jobseeker support for one year or longer according jobseeker support for one year or longer according to jobseeker support for one year or longer according to the jobseeker support for one year or longer according to the September longer according to the September 2017 longer according to the September 2017 Ministry longer according to the September 2017 Ministry of longer according to the September 2017 Ministry of Social longer according to the September 2017 Ministry of Social Development 2017 Ministry of Social Development quarterly 2017 Ministry of Social Development quarterly statistics 2017 Ministry of Social Development quarterly statistics and 2017 Ministry of Social Development quarterly statistics and how 2017 Ministry of Social Development quarterly statistics and how many quarterly statistics and how many people, quarterly statistics and how many people, if quarterly statistics and how many people, if any, quarterly statistics and how many people, if any, received quarterly statistics and how many people, if any, received jobseeker people, if any, received jobseeker support people, if any, received jobseeker support for people, if any, received jobseeker support for one people, if any, received jobseeker support for one year people, if any, received jobseeker support for one year or people, if any, received jobseeker support for one year or longer support for one year or longer according support for one year or longer according to support for one year or longer according to the support for one year or longer according to the December support for one year or longer according to the December 2021 according to the December 2021 Ministry according to the December 2021 Ministry of according to the December 2021 Ministry of Social according to the December 2021 Ministry of Social Development Ministry of Social Development quarterly Ministry of Social Development quarterly statistics? 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The year in the September 2017 quarter was 67,890. The more year in the September 2017 quarter was 67,890. The more relevant was 67,890. The more relevant comparison was 67,890. The more relevant comparison is was 67,890. The more relevant comparison is September was 67,890. The more relevant comparison is September 2017 was 67,890. The more relevant comparison is September 2017 to comparison is September 2017 to September comparison is September 2017 to September 2021. comparison is September 2017 to September 2021. The comparison is September 2017 to September 2021. The number comparison is September 2017 to September 2021. The number of comparison is September 2017 to September 2021. The number of people September 2021. The number of people who September 2021. The number of people who had September 2021. The number of people who had been September 2021. The number of people who had been on September 2021. The number of people who had been on a September 2021. The number of people who had been on a Jobseeker September 2021. The number of people who had been on a Jobseeker support who had been on a Jobseeker support for who had been on a Jobseeker support for longer who had been on a Jobseeker support for longer than who had been on a Jobseeker support for longer than a who had been on a Jobseeker support for longer than a year who had been on a Jobseeker support for longer than a year in who had been on a Jobseeker support for longer than a year in December for longer than a year in December 2017 for longer than a year in December 2017 was for longer than a year in December 2017 was 69,087. for longer than a year in December 2017 was 69,087. Or for longer than a year in December 2017 was 69,087. Or 56.2% for longer than a year in December 2017 was 69,087. Or 56.2% of for longer than a year in December 2017 was 69,087. Or 56.2% of total 2017 was 69,087. Or 56.2% of total Jobseeker 2017 was 69,087. Or 56.2% of total Jobseeker numbers. 2017 was 69,087. Or 56.2% of total Jobseeker numbers. For 2017 was 69,087. Or 56.2% of total Jobseeker numbers. For December Jobseeker numbers. For December 2021, Jobseeker numbers. For December 2021, it Jobseeker numbers. For December 2021, it was Jobseeker numbers. For December 2021, it was 116,634, Jobseeker numbers. For December 2021, it was 116,634, tore Jobseeker numbers. For December 2021, it was 116,634, tore 62% Jobseeker numbers. For December 2021, it was 116,634, tore 62% of 2021, it was 116,634, tore 62% of Jobseeker 2021, it was 116,634, tore 62% of Jobseeker numbers. 2021, it was 116,634, tore 62% of Jobseeker numbers. As 2021, it was 116,634, tore 62% of Jobseeker numbers. As more Jobseeker numbers. As more percentage Jobseeker numbers. As more percentage of Jobseeker numbers. As more percentage of 5.8% Jobseeker numbers. As more percentage of 5.8% which Jobseeker numbers. 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I'm pleased to say that throughout 2021, pleased to say that throughout 2021, we pleased to say that throughout 2021, we saw pleased to say that throughout 2021, we saw a pleased to say that throughout 2021, we saw a record pleased to say that throughout 2021, we saw a record number, pleased to say that throughout 2021, we saw a record number, 119,700 we saw a record number, 119,700 people we saw a record number, 119,700 people exit we saw a record number, 119,700 people exit a we saw a record number, 119,700 people exit a main we saw a record number, 119,700 people exit a main benefit we saw a record number, 119,700 people exit a main benefit into people exit a main benefit into work. people exit a main benefit into work. Around people exit a main benefit into work. Around 40,000 people exit a main benefit into work. Around 40,000 more people exit a main benefit into work. Around 40,000 more than people exit a main benefit into work. Around 40,000 more than in work. 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Can she explain at a time when businesses are crying at a time when businesses are crying out at a time when businesses are crying out for at a time when businesses are crying out for staff, at a time when businesses are crying out for staff, why at a time when businesses are crying out for staff, why 55,000 at a time when businesses are crying out for staff, why 55,000 people out for staff, why 55,000 people have out for staff, why 55,000 people have spent out for staff, why 55,000 people have spent three out for staff, why 55,000 people have spent three years out for staff, why 55,000 people have spent three years or out for staff, why 55,000 people have spent three years or longer have spent three years or longer stuck have spent three years or longer stuck on have spent three years or longer stuck on Jobseeker? have spent three years or longer stuck on Jobseeker? An have spent three years or longer stuck on Jobseeker? 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Economic shock such as COVID-19 affect more shock such as COVID-19 affect more vulnerable shock such as COVID-19 affect more vulnerable people shock such as COVID-19 affect more vulnerable people in shock such as COVID-19 affect more vulnerable people in the shock such as COVID-19 affect more vulnerable people in the labour vulnerable people in the labour market. vulnerable people in the labour market. These vulnerable people in the labour market. These people vulnerable people in the labour market. These people tend vulnerable people in the labour market. These people tend to vulnerable people in the labour market. These people tend to have market. These people tend to have barriers market. These people tend to have barriers to market. These people tend to have barriers to employment market. These people tend to have barriers to employment such market. These people tend to have barriers to employment such as barriers to employment such as remote barriers to employment such as remote location, barriers to employment such as remote location, lower barriers to employment such as remote location, lower skills barriers to employment such as remote location, lower skills or barriers to employment such as remote location, lower skills or no remote location, lower skills or no essential remote location, lower skills or no essential work remote location, lower skills or no essential work history. remote location, lower skills or no essential work history. They remote location, lower skills or no essential work history. They tend remote location, lower skills or no essential work history. They tend to essential work history. They tend to need essential work history. They tend to need more essential work history. They tend to need more intensive essential work history. They tend to need more intensive support essential work history. They tend to need more intensive support to need more intensive support to re-enter need more intensive support to re-enter the need more intensive support to re-enter the workforce need more intensive support to re-enter the workforce and need more intensive support to re-enter the workforce and this re-enter the workforce and this Government re-enter the workforce and this Government is re-enter the workforce and this Government is delivering re-enter the workforce and this Government is delivering with re-enter the workforce and this Government is delivering with record Government is delivering with record numbers Government is delivering with record numbers of Government is delivering with record numbers of people Government is delivering with record numbers of people moving Government is delivering with record numbers of people moving off Government is delivering with record numbers of people moving off of numbers of people moving off of benefits numbers of people moving off of benefits and numbers of people moving off of benefits and into numbers of people moving off of benefits and into work. numbers of people moving off of benefits and into work. We numbers of people moving off of benefits and into work. We know numbers of people moving off of benefits and into work. We know that benefits and into work. We know that there benefits and into work. We know that there are benefits and into work. We know that there are jobs benefits and into work. We know that there are jobs out benefits and into work. We know that there are jobs out there benefits and into work. We know that there are jobs out there in there are jobs out there in industries there are jobs out there in industries such there are jobs out there in industries such as there are jobs out there in industries such as construction there are jobs out there in industries such as construction and industries such as construction and road industries such as construction and road transport industries such as construction and road transport and industries such as construction and road transport and we industries such as construction and road transport and we have industries such as construction and road transport and we have been road transport and we have been working road transport and we have been working hard road transport and we have been working hard to road transport and we have been working hard to address road transport and we have been working hard to address the road transport and we have been working hard to address the skills working hard to address the skills gaps working hard to address the skills gaps by working hard to address the skills gaps by investing working hard to address the skills gaps by investing heavily working hard to address the skills gaps by investing heavily in working hard to address the skills gaps by investing heavily in work gaps by investing heavily in work focused gaps by investing heavily in work focused case gaps by investing heavily in work focused case management, gaps by investing heavily in work focused case management, industry focused case management, industry partnerships focused case management, industry partnerships and focused case management, industry partnerships and programmes. focused case management, industry partnerships and programmes. 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This This year, This year, a This year, a number This year, a number of This year, a number of the This year, a number of the secondary This year, a number of the secondary and This year, a number of the secondary and tertiary This year, a number of the secondary and tertiary students This year, a number of the secondary and tertiary students will This year, a number of the secondary and tertiary students will be and tertiary students will be getting and tertiary students will be getting support and tertiary students will be getting support thanks and tertiary students will be getting support thanks to and tertiary students will be getting support thanks to the and tertiary students will be getting support thanks to the STEM getting support thanks to the STEM fund, getting support thanks to the STEM fund, which getting support thanks to the STEM fund, which encourages getting support thanks to the STEM fund, which encourages study getting support thanks to the STEM fund, which encourages study in getting support thanks to the STEM fund, which encourages study in the fund, which encourages study in the science, fund, which encourages study in the science, technology, fund, which encourages study in the science, technology, engineering, science, technology, engineering, the science, technology, engineering, the arts science, technology, engineering, the arts and science, technology, engineering, the arts and Mathersic science, technology, engineering, the arts and Mathersic fields. science, technology, engineering, the arts and Mathersic fields. 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There will be a total of 238 secondary will be a total of 238 secondary school will be a total of 238 secondary school scholarships will be a total of 238 secondary school scholarships in will be a total of 238 secondary school scholarships in the will be a total of 238 secondary school scholarships in the coming school scholarships in the coming year school scholarships in the coming year which school scholarships in the coming year which will school scholarships in the coming year which will be school scholarships in the coming year which will be going school scholarships in the coming year which will be going to school scholarships in the coming year which will be going to 87 year which will be going to 87 schools year which will be going to 87 schools and year which will be going to 87 schools and cover year which will be going to 87 schools and cover school year which will be going to 87 schools and cover school fees year which will be going to 87 schools and cover school fees and schools and cover school fees and equipment schools and cover school fees and equipment for schools and cover school fees and equipment for one schools and cover school fees and equipment for one year, schools and cover school fees and equipment for one year, to schools and cover school fees and equipment for one year, to the equipment for one year, to the maximum equipment for one year, to the maximum of equipment for one year, to the maximum of 2000 equipment for one year, to the maximum of 2000 for equipment for one year, to the maximum of 2000 for the equipment for one year, to the maximum of 2000 for the first equipment for one year, to the maximum of 2000 for the first time. maximum of 2000 for the first time. I'm maximum of 2000 for the first time. I'm also maximum of 2000 for the first time. I'm also delighted maximum of 2000 for the first time. I'm also delighted to maximum of 2000 for the first time. I'm also delighted to say maximum of 2000 for the first time. I'm also delighted to say that maximum of 2000 for the first time. I'm also delighted to say that a I'm also delighted to say that a further I'm also delighted to say that a further 50 I'm also delighted to say that a further 50 tertiary I'm also delighted to say that a further 50 tertiary scholarships further 50 tertiary scholarships have further 50 tertiary scholarships have been further 50 tertiary scholarships have been awarded further 50 tertiary scholarships have been awarded for further 50 tertiary scholarships have been awarded for Pacific further 50 tertiary scholarships have been awarded for Pacific young have been awarded for Pacific young people have been awarded for Pacific young people to have been awarded for Pacific young people to understake have been awarded for Pacific young people to understake studies. have been awarded for Pacific young people to understake studies. The people to understake studies. The scholarship people to understake studies. The scholarship will people to understake studies. The scholarship will cover people to understake studies. The scholarship will cover compulsory scholarship will cover compulsory course scholarship will cover compulsory course related scholarship will cover compulsory course related fees scholarship will cover compulsory course related fees up scholarship will cover compulsory course related fees up to scholarship will cover compulsory course related fees up to $10,000 course related fees up to $10,000 for course related fees up to $10,000 for a course related fees up to $10,000 for a year course related fees up to $10,000 for a year of course related fees up to $10,000 for a year of full course related fees up to $10,000 for a year of full study course related fees up to $10,000 for a year of full study for course related fees up to $10,000 for a year of full study for STEM for a year of full study for STEM related for a year of full study for STEM related course. for a year of full study for STEM related course. What for a year of full study for STEM related course. What about for a year of full study for STEM related course. What about the for a year of full study for STEM related course. What about the STEM related course. What about the STEM providers. related course. What about the STEM providers. Are related course. What about the STEM providers. Are they related course. What about the STEM providers. Are they being related course. What about the STEM providers. Are they being funded? related course. What about the STEM providers. Are they being funded? We providers. Are they being funded? We are providers. Are they being funded? We are building providers. Are they being funded? We are building up providers. Are they being funded? We are building up funding providers. Are they being funded? We are building up funding for providers. Are they being funded? We are building up funding for emerging are building up funding for emerging providers are building up funding for emerging providers with are building up funding for emerging providers with the are building up funding for emerging providers with the capability are building up funding for emerging providers with the capability fund providers with the capability fund and providers with the capability fund and want providers with the capability fund and want to providers with the capability fund and want to build providers with the capability fund and want to build up providers with the capability fund and want to build up the providers with the capability fund and want to build up the capability and want to build up the capability and and want to build up the capability and capacity and want to build up the capability and capacity for and want to build up the capability and capacity for delivering and want to build up the capability and capacity for delivering STEM and capacity for delivering STEM programmes and capacity for delivering STEM programmes to and capacity for delivering STEM programmes to Pacific and capacity for delivering STEM programmes to Pacific communities. programmes to Pacific communities. This programmes to Pacific communities. This year, programmes to Pacific communities. This year, ten programmes to Pacific communities. This year, ten applicants programmes to Pacific communities. This year, ten applicants had This year, ten applicants had funding, This year, ten applicants had funding, eight This year, ten applicants had funding, eight in This year, ten applicants had funding, eight in Auckland This year, ten applicants had funding, eight in Auckland and This year, ten applicants had funding, eight in Auckland and two funding, eight in Auckland and two in funding, eight in Auckland and two in Wellington. funding, eight in Auckland and two in Wellington. I'm funding, eight in Auckland and two in Wellington. I'm pleased funding, eight in Auckland and two in Wellington. I'm pleased to funding, eight in Auckland and two in Wellington. I'm pleased to say in Wellington. I'm pleased to say that in Wellington. I'm pleased to say that another in Wellington. I'm pleased to say that another six in Wellington. I'm pleased to say that another six providers in Wellington. I'm pleased to say that another six providers from that another six providers from Auckland, that another six providers from Auckland, Palmerston that another six providers from Auckland, Palmerston North that another six providers from Auckland, Palmerston North and Auckland, Palmerston North and Rotorua Auckland, Palmerston North and Rotorua will Auckland, Palmerston North and Rotorua will receive Auckland, Palmerston North and Rotorua will receive funding Auckland, Palmerston North and Rotorua will receive funding from Rotorua will receive funding from the Rotorua will receive funding from the substantial Rotorua will receive funding from the substantial provider Rotorua will receive funding from the substantial provider fund. Rotorua will receive funding from the substantial provider fund. This the substantial provider fund. This will the substantial provider fund. This will go the substantial provider fund. This will go a the substantial provider fund. This will go a long the substantial provider fund. This will go a long way the substantial provider fund. This will go a long way to the substantial provider fund. This will go a long way to supporting the substantial provider fund. This will go a long way to supporting the will go a long way to supporting the proven will go a long way to supporting the proven and will go a long way to supporting the proven and experienced will go a long way to supporting the proven and experienced providers will go a long way to supporting the proven and experienced providers to proven and experienced providers to deliver proven and experienced providers to deliver Pacific proven and experienced providers to deliver Pacific central proven and experienced providers to deliver Pacific central STEM deliver Pacific central STEM programmes. deliver Pacific central STEM programmes. What deliver Pacific central STEM programmes. What do deliver Pacific central STEM programmes. What do the deliver Pacific central STEM programmes. What do the scholarships programmes. What do the scholarships mean programmes. What do the scholarships mean for programmes. What do the scholarships mean for the programmes. What do the scholarships mean for the wider programmes. What do the scholarships mean for the wider Pacific mean for the wider Pacific community? mean for the wider Pacific community? The mean for the wider Pacific community? The Government mean for the wider Pacific community? The Government has mean for the wider Pacific community? The Government has made community? The Government has made empowering community? The Government has made empowering Pacific community? The Government has made empowering Pacific Aotearoa community? The Government has made empowering Pacific Aotearoa a empowering Pacific Aotearoa a priority. empowering Pacific Aotearoa a priority. Education empowering Pacific Aotearoa a priority. Education is empowering Pacific Aotearoa a priority. Education is one empowering Pacific Aotearoa a priority. Education is one way empowering Pacific Aotearoa a priority. Education is one way to priority. Education is one way to achieve priority. Education is one way to achieve this priority. Education is one way to achieve this goal. priority. Education is one way to achieve this goal. Pacific priority. Education is one way to achieve this goal. Pacific people achieve this goal. Pacific people have achieve this goal. Pacific people have been achieve this goal. Pacific people have been under achieve this goal. Pacific people have been under represented achieve this goal. Pacific people have been under represented in achieve this goal. Pacific people have been under represented in the have been under represented in the STEM have been under represented in the STEM fields have been under represented in the STEM fields for have been under represented in the STEM fields for a have been under represented in the STEM fields for a long have been under represented in the STEM fields for a long time have been under represented in the STEM fields for a long time and have been under represented in the STEM fields for a long time and we STEM fields for a long time and we are STEM fields for a long time and we are working STEM fields for a long time and we are working hard STEM fields for a long time and we are working hard to STEM fields for a long time and we are working hard to change STEM fields for a long time and we are working hard to change this are working hard to change this through are working hard to change this through the are working hard to change this through the STEM are working hard to change this through the STEM programme. are working hard to change this through the STEM programme. We are working hard to change this through the STEM programme. We want through the STEM programme. We want Pacific through the STEM programme. We want Pacific peoples through the STEM programme. We want Pacific peoples fulfilling through the STEM programme. We want Pacific peoples fulfilling their Pacific peoples fulfilling their potential Pacific peoples fulfilling their potential and Pacific peoples fulfilling their potential and the Pacific peoples fulfilling their potential and the belief Pacific peoples fulfilling their potential and the belief that potential and the belief that everyone potential and the belief that everyone in potential and the belief that everyone in Aotearoa potential and the belief that everyone in Aotearoa has potential and the belief that everyone in Aotearoa has the everyone in Aotearoa has the opportunity everyone in Aotearoa has the opportunity to everyone in Aotearoa has the opportunity to succeed, everyone in Aotearoa has the opportunity to succeed, be everyone in Aotearoa has the opportunity to succeed, be able everyone in Aotearoa has the opportunity to succeed, be able to opportunity to succeed, be able to provide opportunity to succeed, be able to provide for opportunity to succeed, be able to provide for their opportunity to succeed, be able to provide for their families opportunity to succeed, be able to provide for their families and provide for their families and contribute provide for their families and contribute to provide for their families and contribute to the provide for their families and contribute to the general provide for their families and contribute to the general economic contribute to the general economic recovery contribute to the general economic recovery and contribute to the general economic recovery and wellbeing contribute to the general economic recovery and wellbeing of contribute to the general economic recovery and wellbeing of Aotearoa recovery and wellbeing of Aotearoa New recovery and wellbeing of Aotearoa New Zealand. recovery and wellbeing of Aotearoa New Zealand. With recovery and wellbeing of Aotearoa New Zealand. With it, recovery and wellbeing of Aotearoa New Zealand. With it, the recovery and wellbeing of Aotearoa New Zealand. With it, the Government New Zealand. With it, the Government has New Zealand. With it, the Government has created New Zealand. With it, the Government has created an New Zealand. With it, the Government has created an ecosystem New Zealand. With it, the Government has created an ecosystem with has created an ecosystem with Pacific has created an ecosystem with Pacific learners, has created an ecosystem with Pacific learners, providers has created an ecosystem with Pacific learners, providers and Pacific learners, providers and Pacific Pacific learners, providers and Pacific leaders Pacific learners, providers and Pacific leaders with Pacific learners, providers and Pacific leaders with Pacific Pacific learners, providers and Pacific leaders with Pacific parents Pacific leaders with Pacific parents feeling Pacific leaders with Pacific parents feeling confident Pacific leaders with Pacific parents feeling confident and Pacific leaders with Pacific parents feeling confident and excited Pacific leaders with Pacific parents feeling confident and excited about feeling confident and excited about their feeling confident and excited about their children feeling confident and excited about their children pursuing feeling confident and excited about their children pursuing STEM feeling confident and excited about their children pursuing STEM studies their children pursuing STEM studies and their children pursuing STEM studies and our their children pursuing STEM studies and our Pacific their children pursuing STEM studies and our Pacific youth their children pursuing STEM studies and our Pacific youth are their children pursuing STEM studies and our Pacific youth are equally and our Pacific youth are equally that and our Pacific youth are equally that they and our Pacific youth are equally that they will and our Pacific youth are equally that they will own and our Pacific youth are equally that they will own the and our Pacific youth are equally that they will own the digital that they will own the digital economy. that they will own the digital economy. I that they will own the digital economy. I congratulate that they will own the digital economy. I congratulate of that they will own the digital economy. I congratulate of the economy. I congratulate of the scholarship economy. I congratulate of the scholarship winners economy. I congratulate of the scholarship winners and economy. I congratulate of the scholarship winners and wish economy. I congratulate of the scholarship winners and wish the scholarship winners and wish the students scholarship winners and wish the students and scholarship winners and wish the students and the scholarship winners and wish the students and the families scholarship winners and wish the students and the families the scholarship winners and wish the students and the families the best students and the families the best of students and the families the best of luck students and the families the best of luck as students and the families the best of luck as they students and the families the best of luck as they pursue students and the families the best of luck as they pursue their students and the families the best of luck as they pursue their dreams of luck as they pursue their dreams leading of luck as they pursue their dreams leading in of luck as they pursue their dreams leading in the of luck as they pursue their dreams leading in the forefront of luck as they pursue their dreams leading in the forefront of of luck as they pursue their dreams leading in the forefront of the of luck as they pursue their dreams leading in the forefront of the new leading in the forefront of the new Pacific leading in the forefront of the new Pacific Aotearoa. leading in the forefront of the new Pacific Aotearoa. We leading in the forefront of the new Pacific Aotearoa. We come leading in the forefront of the new Pacific Aotearoa. We come to Pacific Aotearoa. We come to question Pacific Aotearoa. We come to question Number Pacific Aotearoa. We come to question Number 10 Pacific Aotearoa. We come to question Number 10 in Pacific Aotearoa. We come to question Number 10 in the Pacific Aotearoa. We come to question Number 10 in the name Pacific Aotearoa. We come to question Number 10 in the name of question Number 10 in the name of the question Number 10 in the name of the Hon question Number 10 in the name of the Hon Paul question Number 10 in the name of the Hon Paul Goldsmith question Number 10 in the name of the Hon Paul Goldsmith joining question Number 10 in the name of the Hon Paul Goldsmith joining us the Hon Paul Goldsmith joining us remotely. 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Increasing sick leave entitlements to ten days. Increasing paid sick leave entitlements to ten days. Increasing paid parental sick leave entitlements to ten days. Increasing paid parental leave sick leave entitlements to ten days. Increasing paid parental leave from Increasing paid parental leave from 18 Increasing paid parental leave from 18 to Increasing paid parental leave from 18 to 26 Increasing paid parental leave from 18 to 26 weeks Increasing paid parental leave from 18 to 26 weeks and Increasing paid parental leave from 18 to 26 weeks and increasing Increasing paid parental leave from 18 to 26 weeks and increasing the 18 to 26 weeks and increasing the minimum 18 to 26 weeks and increasing the minimum wage 18 to 26 weeks and increasing the minimum wage from 18 to 26 weeks and increasing the minimum wage from $15.75 18 to 26 weeks and increasing the minimum wage from $15.75 in 18 to 26 weeks and increasing the minimum wage from $15.75 in 2015 18 to 26 weeks and increasing the minimum wage from $15.75 in 2015 to minimum wage from $15.75 in 2015 to this minimum wage from $15.75 in 2015 to this year, minimum wage from $15.75 in 2015 to this year, all minimum wage from $15.75 in 2015 to this year, all at minimum wage from $15.75 in 2015 to this year, all at keeping this year, all at keeping unemployment this year, all at keeping unemployment at this year, all at keeping unemployment at record this year, all at keeping unemployment at record low this year, all at keeping unemployment at record low levels unemployment at record low levels and unemployment at record low levels and on unemployment at record low levels and on this unemployment at record low levels and on this side unemployment at record low levels and on this side of unemployment at record low levels and on this side of the unemployment at record low levels and on this side of the House, unemployment at record low levels and on this side of the House, we and on this side of the House, we the and on this side of the House, we the binary and on this side of the House, we the binary view and on this side of the House, we the binary view of and on this side of the House, we the binary view of Workplace the binary view of Workplace Relations the binary view of Workplace Relations in the binary view of Workplace Relations in which the binary view of Workplace Relations in which any the binary view of Workplace Relations in which any investment the binary view of Workplace Relations in which any investment in Relations in which any investment in the Relations in which any investment in the workplace Relations in which any investment in the workplace is Relations in which any investment in the workplace is seen Relations in which any investment in the workplace is seen as Relations in which any investment in the workplace is seen as a Relations in which any investment in the workplace is seen as a negative the workplace is seen as a negative for the workplace is seen as a negative for business. the workplace is seen as a negative for business. 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In rejecting the premise yesterday, that Government premise yesterday, that Government decisions premise yesterday, that Government decisions that premise yesterday, that Government decisions that have premise yesterday, that Government decisions that have imposed premise yesterday, that Government decisions that have imposed costs premise yesterday, that Government decisions that have imposed costs on decisions that have imposed costs on businesses decisions that have imposed costs on businesses have decisions that have imposed costs on businesses have contributed decisions that have imposed costs on businesses have contributed to decisions that have imposed costs on businesses have contributed to the businesses have contributed to the cost businesses have contributed to the cost of businesses have contributed to the cost of living, businesses have contributed to the cost of living, is businesses have contributed to the cost of living, is he businesses have contributed to the cost of living, is he arguing businesses have contributed to the cost of living, is he arguing that cost of living, is he arguing that significant cost of living, is he arguing that significant Government cost of living, is he arguing that significant Government imposed cost of living, is he arguing that significant Government imposed costs significant Government imposed costs on significant Government imposed costs on businesses significant Government imposed costs on businesses large significant Government imposed costs on businesses large and significant Government imposed costs on businesses large and small significant Government imposed costs on businesses large and small for on businesses large and small for which on businesses large and small for which he's on businesses large and small for which he's responsible on businesses large and small for which he's responsible have on businesses large and small for which he's responsible have not which he's responsible have not flowed which he's responsible have not flowed through which he's responsible have not flowed through to which he's responsible have not flowed through to higher which he's responsible have not flowed through to higher prices which he's responsible have not flowed through to higher prices at flowed through to higher prices at all flowed through to higher prices at all in flowed through to higher prices at all in this flowed through to higher prices at all in this country? flowed through to higher prices at all in this country? 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Do the excessive properties gained by electricity properties gained by electricity companies properties gained by electricity companies indicate properties gained by electricity companies indicate the properties gained by electricity companies indicate the response properties gained by electricity companies indicate the response to companies indicate the response to the companies indicate the response to the electricity companies indicate the response to the electricity price companies indicate the response to the electricity price review companies indicate the response to the electricity price review does the electricity price review does not the electricity price review does not go the electricity price review does not go far the electricity price review does not go far enough the electricity price review does not go far enough and the electricity price review does not go far enough and will the electricity price review does not go far enough and will the not go far enough and will the minister not go far enough and will the minister commit not go far enough and will the minister commit to not go far enough and will the minister commit to bolder not go far enough and will the minister commit to bolder reforms, minister commit to bolder reforms, including minister commit to bolder reforms, including to minister commit to bolder reforms, including to the minister commit to bolder reforms, including to the wholesale minister commit to bolder reforms, including to the wholesale market? including to the wholesale market? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Climate My question is to the Minister of Climate Change: My question is to the Minister of Climate Change: Is My question is to the Minister of Climate Change: Is he Climate Change: Is he confident Climate Change: Is he confident that Climate Change: Is he confident that New Climate Change: Is he confident that New Zealand's Climate Change: Is he confident that New Zealand's primary confident that New Zealand's primary industries confident that New Zealand's primary industries have confident that New Zealand's primary industries have all confident that New Zealand's primary industries have all the confident that New Zealand's primary industries have all the tools confident that New Zealand's primary industries have all the tools at industries have all the tools at their industries have all the tools at their disposal industries have all the tools at their disposal to industries have all the tools at their disposal to offset industries have all the tools at their disposal to offset emissions, their disposal to offset emissions, and their disposal to offset emissions, and does their disposal to offset emissions, and does he their disposal to offset emissions, and does he believe their disposal to offset emissions, and does he believe there their disposal to offset emissions, and does he believe there will their disposal to offset emissions, and does he believe there will be their disposal to offset emissions, and does he believe there will be a and does he believe there will be a significant and does he believe there will be a significant cost and does he believe there will be a significant cost increase and does he believe there will be a significant cost increase to and does he believe there will be a significant cost increase to farmers significant cost increase to farmers from significant cost increase to farmers from the significant cost increase to farmers from the emissions significant cost increase to farmers from the emissions pricing significant cost increase to farmers from the emissions pricing schemes from the emissions pricing schemes proposed from the emissions pricing schemes proposed in from the emissions pricing schemes proposed in the from the emissions pricing schemes proposed in the He from the emissions pricing schemes proposed in the He Waka from the emissions pricing schemes proposed in the He Waka Eke from the emissions pricing schemes proposed in the He Waka Eke Noa proposed in the He Waka Eke Noa discussion proposed in the He Waka Eke Noa discussion documents? The The Hon The Hon James The Hon James Shaw. The Hon James Shaw. Mr The Hon James Shaw. Mr Speaker, The Hon James Shaw. Mr Speaker, in The Hon James Shaw. Mr Speaker, in answer The Hon James Shaw. Mr Speaker, in answer to The Hon James Shaw. Mr Speaker, in answer to the The Hon James Shaw. Mr Speaker, in answer to the first The Hon James Shaw. Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part, The Hon James Shaw. Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part, yes, The Hon James Shaw. Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part, yes, the answer to the first part, yes, the second answer to the first part, yes, the second part answer to the first part, yes, the second part of answer to the first part, yes, the second part of the answer to the first part, yes, the second part of the question, answer to the first part, yes, the second part of the question, it second part of the question, it depends. second part of the question, it depends. Supplementary. depends. 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