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How changes accordingly. Supplementary. How is changes accordingly. Supplementary. How is it changes accordingly. Supplementary. How is it fair changes accordingly. Supplementary. How is it fair or changes accordingly. Supplementary. How is it fair or acceptable changes accordingly. Supplementary. 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We made these changes in response to is making there. We made these changes in response to concerns is making there. We made these changes in response to concerns that changes in response to concerns that we changes in response to concerns that we heard changes in response to concerns that we heard from changes in response to concerns that we heard from private changes in response to concerns that we heard from private developers, we heard from private developers, that we heard from private developers, that we we heard from private developers, that we made we heard from private developers, that we made these we heard from private developers, that we made these changes we heard from private developers, that we made these changes in that we made these changes in response that we made these changes in response to that we made these changes in response to concerns that we made these changes in response to concerns that that we made these changes in response to concerns that we that we made these changes in response to concerns that we heard response to concerns that we heard from response to concerns that we heard from landlords. response to concerns that we heard from landlords. This response to concerns that we heard from landlords. This is response to concerns that we heard from landlords. This is an response to concerns that we heard from landlords. This is an example from landlords. This is an example of from landlords. This is an example of our from landlords. This is an example of our Government from landlords. This is an example of our Government listening. from landlords. This is an example of our Government listening. Yes, from landlords. This is an example of our Government listening. Yes, it of our Government listening. Yes, it does of our Government listening. Yes, it does include of our Government listening. Yes, it does include Kainga of our Government listening. Yes, it does include Kainga Ora, of our Government listening. Yes, it does include Kainga Ora, but of our Government listening. Yes, it does include Kainga Ora, but this of our Government listening. 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Does the Minister accept that the unnecessary costs accept that the unnecessary costs that accept that the unnecessary costs that the accept that the unnecessary costs that the incorrect accept that the unnecessary costs that the incorrect heating accept that the unnecessary costs that the incorrect heating formula that the incorrect heating formula imposed that the incorrect heating formula imposed upon that the incorrect heating formula imposed upon landlords that the incorrect heating formula imposed upon landlords will that the incorrect heating formula imposed upon landlords will be that the incorrect heating formula imposed upon landlords will be past imposed upon landlords will be past on imposed upon landlords will be past on to imposed upon landlords will be past on to tenants imposed upon landlords will be past on to tenants who imposed upon landlords will be past on to tenants who are imposed upon landlords will be past on to tenants who are already on to tenants who are already struggling on to tenants who are already struggling to on to tenants who are already struggling to make on to tenants who are already struggling to make ends' on to tenants who are already struggling to make ends' meet on to tenants who are already struggling to make ends' meet in struggling to make ends' meet in this struggling to make ends' meet in this cost struggling to make ends' meet in this cost of struggling to make ends' meet in this cost of living struggling to make ends' meet in this cost of living crisis? struggling to make ends' meet in this cost of living crisis? Mr this cost of living crisis? Mr Speaker, this cost of living crisis? Mr Speaker, in this cost of living crisis? Mr Speaker, in terms this cost of living crisis? Mr Speaker, in terms of this cost of living crisis? Mr Speaker, in terms of the this cost of living crisis? Mr Speaker, in terms of the number this cost of living crisis? Mr Speaker, in terms of the number of Speaker, in terms of the number of landlords Speaker, in terms of the number of landlords that Speaker, in terms of the number of landlords that this Speaker, in terms of the number of landlords that this would Speaker, in terms of the number of landlords that this would affect, landlords that this would affect, it's landlords that this would affect, it's likely landlords that this would affect, it's likely to landlords that this would affect, it's likely to be landlords that this would affect, it's likely to be a landlords that this would affect, it's likely to be a very landlords that this would affect, it's likely to be a very small it's likely to be a very small number. it's likely to be a very small number. It it's likely to be a very small number. It is it's likely to be a very small number. It is homes it's likely to be a very small number. It is homes that it's likely to be a very small number. It is homes that were it's likely to be a very small number. It is homes that were built number. It is homes that were built since number. It is homes that were built since 2008 number. It is homes that were built since 2008 in number. It is homes that were built since 2008 in a number. It is homes that were built since 2008 in a subset number. It is homes that were built since 2008 in a subset of since 2008 in a subset of apartments. since 2008 in a subset of apartments. It's since 2008 in a subset of apartments. It's not since 2008 in a subset of apartments. It's not all since 2008 in a subset of apartments. It's not all buildings. apartments. It's not all buildings. Not apartments. It's not all buildings. Not all apartments. It's not all buildings. Not all of apartments. It's not all buildings. Not all of those apartments. It's not all buildings. Not all of those rentals apartments. It's not all buildings. Not all of those rentals would apartments. It's not all buildings. Not all of those rentals would have Not all of those rentals would have complied Not all of those rentals would have complied with Not all of those rentals would have complied with the Not all of those rentals would have complied with the standards Not all of those rentals would have complied with the standards because complied with the standards because it complied with the standards because it was complied with the standards because it was not complied with the standards because it was not at complied with the standards because it was not at the complied with the standards because it was not at the threshold complied with the standards because it was not at the threshold of it was not at the threshold of having it was not at the threshold of having to. it was not at the threshold of having to. We it was not at the threshold of having to. We recognise it was not at the threshold of having to. We recognise that it was not at the threshold of having to. We recognise that now having to. We recognise that now there having to. We recognise that now there are having to. We recognise that now there are new having to. We recognise that now there are new standards, having to. We recognise that now there are new standards, additional there are new standards, additional time there are new standards, additional time has there are new standards, additional time has been there are new standards, additional time has been given there are new standards, additional time has been given and there are new standards, additional time has been given and why there are new standards, additional time has been given and why in there are new standards, additional time has been given and why in my time has been given and why in my primary time has been given and why in my primary answer time has been given and why in my primary answer talked time has been given and why in my primary answer talked about time has been given and why in my primary answer talked about the primary answer talked about the timeline primary answer talked about the timeline stretching primary answer talked about the timeline stretching out primary answer talked about the timeline stretching out to primary answer talked about the timeline stretching out to 2023. timeline stretching out to 2023. Supplementary. timeline stretching out to 2023. Supplementary. What timeline stretching out to 2023. Supplementary. What does timeline stretching out to 2023. Supplementary. What does she timeline stretching out to 2023. Supplementary. What does she say timeline stretching out to 2023. Supplementary. What does she say to Supplementary. What does she say to landlords Supplementary. What does she say to landlords who Supplementary. What does she say to landlords who put Supplementary. What does she say to landlords who put in Supplementary. What does she say to landlords who put in place Supplementary. What does she say to landlords who put in place huge Supplementary. What does she say to landlords who put in place huge heat landlords who put in place huge heat pumps landlords who put in place huge heat pumps at landlords who put in place huge heat pumps at large landlords who put in place huge heat pumps at large cost landlords who put in place huge heat pumps at large cost to landlords who put in place huge heat pumps at large cost to themselves pumps at large cost to themselves and pumps at large cost to themselves and their pumps at large cost to themselves and their tenants pumps at large cost to themselves and their tenants who pumps at large cost to themselves and their tenants who will pumps at large cost to themselves and their tenants who will feel pumps at large cost to themselves and their tenants who will feel as and their tenants who will feel as though and their tenants who will feel as though the and their tenants who will feel as though the Government and their tenants who will feel as though the Government has and their tenants who will feel as though the Government has shifted though the Government has shifted the though the Government has shifted the goal though the Government has shifted the goal posts though the Government has shifted the goal posts for though the Government has shifted the goal posts for their though the Government has shifted the goal posts for their own the goal posts for their own developments the goal posts for their own developments and the goal posts for their own developments and not the goal posts for their own developments and not for the goal posts for their own developments and not for landlords developments and not for landlords who developments and not for landlords who are developments and not for landlords who are trying developments and not for landlords who are trying to developments and not for landlords who are trying to make developments and not for landlords who are trying to make a developments and not for landlords who are trying to make a home who are trying to make a home affordable who are trying to make a home affordable for who are trying to make a home affordable for New who are trying to make a home affordable for New Zealanders? who are trying to make a home affordable for New Zealanders? Mr affordable for New Zealanders? Mr Speaker, affordable for New Zealanders? Mr Speaker, I'm affordable for New Zealanders? Mr Speaker, I'm not affordable for New Zealanders? Mr Speaker, I'm not sure affordable for New Zealanders? Mr Speaker, I'm not sure if affordable for New Zealanders? Mr Speaker, I'm not sure if the affordable for New Zealanders? Mr Speaker, I'm not sure if the member Speaker, I'm not sure if the member realises Speaker, I'm not sure if the member realises that Speaker, I'm not sure if the member realises that these Speaker, I'm not sure if the member realises that these changes Speaker, I'm not sure if the member realises that these changes also realises that these changes also apply realises that these changes also apply to realises that these changes also apply to private realises that these changes also apply to private landlords. realises that these changes also apply to private landlords. These apply to private landlords. These changes apply to private landlords. These changes are apply to private landlords. These changes are not apply to private landlords. These changes are not just apply to private landlords. These changes are not just changes apply to private landlords. These changes are not just changes for changes are not just changes for Kainga changes are not just changes for Kainga Ora. changes are not just changes for Kainga Ora. These changes are not just changes for Kainga Ora. These are changes are not just changes for Kainga Ora. These are changes changes are not just changes for Kainga Ora. These are changes to changes are not just changes for Kainga Ora. These are changes to the Kainga Ora. These are changes to the Healthy Kainga Ora. These are changes to the Healthy Homes Kainga Ora. These are changes to the Healthy Homes Standards Kainga Ora. These are changes to the Healthy Homes Standards that Kainga Ora. These are changes to the Healthy Homes Standards that apply Healthy Homes Standards that apply across-the-board. Healthy Homes Standards that apply across-the-board. Question Healthy Homes Standards that apply across-the-board. Question No. Healthy Homes Standards that apply across-the-board. Question No. 2 Healthy Homes Standards that apply across-the-board. Question No. 2 in across-the-board. Question No. 2 in the across-the-board. Question No. 2 in the name across-the-board. Question No. 2 in the name of across-the-board. Question No. 2 in the name of Helen across-the-board. Question No. 2 in the name of Helen White. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Energy My question is to the Minister of Energy and My question is to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Energy and Resources: What Energy and Resources: What action Energy and Resources: What action is Energy and Resources: What action is the Energy and Resources: What action is the Government What action is the Government taking What action is the Government taking to What action is the Government taking to decarbonise taking to decarbonise Auckland's taking to decarbonise Auckland's harbour taking to decarbonise Auckland's harbour ferries? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, the Mr Speaker, the Government Mr Speaker, the Government recently Mr Speaker, the Government recently announced Mr Speaker, the Government recently announced a Mr Speaker, the Government recently announced a $27 Mr Speaker, the Government recently announced a $27 million Mr Speaker, the Government recently announced a $27 million investment announced a $27 million investment for announced a $27 million investment for two announced a $27 million investment for two new announced a $27 million investment for two new fully announced a $27 million investment for two new fully electric announced a $27 million investment for two new fully electric ferries for two new fully electric ferries for for two new fully electric ferries for commuters for two new fully electric ferries for commuters and for two new fully electric ferries for commuters and sight for two new fully electric ferries for commuters and sight seers for two new fully electric ferries for commuters and sight seers to for commuters and sight seers to travel for commuters and sight seers to travel on. for commuters and sight seers to travel on. Transport for commuters and sight seers to travel on. Transport will for commuters and sight seers to travel on. Transport will trial travel on. Transport will trial across travel on. Transport will trial across various travel on. Transport will trial across various major travel on. Transport will trial across various major inner travel on. Transport will trial across various major inner and across various major inner and mid-harbour across various major inner and mid-harbour services across various major inner and mid-harbour services once across various major inner and mid-harbour services once they mid-harbour services once they launch mid-harbour services once they launch in mid-harbour services once they launch in 2024. mid-harbour services once they launch in 2024. The mid-harbour services once they launch in 2024. The ferries mid-harbour services once they launch in 2024. The ferries will launch in 2024. The ferries will have launch in 2024. The ferries will have a launch in 2024. The ferries will have a 200-person launch in 2024. The ferries will have a 200-person capacity, launch in 2024. The ferries will have a 200-person capacity, space have a 200-person capacity, space for have a 200-person capacity, space for bikes, have a 200-person capacity, space for bikes, a have a 200-person capacity, space for bikes, a top have a 200-person capacity, space for bikes, a top speed have a 200-person capacity, space for bikes, a top speed of have a 200-person capacity, space for bikes, a top speed of 25 have a 200-person capacity, space for bikes, a top speed of 25 knots, for bikes, a top speed of 25 knots, and for bikes, a top speed of 25 knots, and a for bikes, a top speed of 25 knots, and a range for bikes, a top speed of 25 knots, and a range of for bikes, a top speed of 25 knots, and a range of 40km. for bikes, a top speed of 25 knots, and a range of 40km. Two for bikes, a top speed of 25 knots, and a range of 40km. Two electric and a range of 40km. Two electric fest and a range of 40km. Two electric fest ferries and a range of 40km. Two electric fest ferries in and a range of 40km. Two electric fest ferries in associated and a range of 40km. Two electric fest ferries in associated wharf fest ferries in associated wharf infrastructure fest ferries in associated wharf infrastructure will fest ferries in associated wharf infrastructure will be fest ferries in associated wharf infrastructure will be built fest ferries in associated wharf infrastructure will be built in infrastructure will be built in Aotearoa infrastructure will be built in Aotearoa New infrastructure will be built in Aotearoa New Zealand infrastructure will be built in Aotearoa New Zealand by infrastructure will be built in Aotearoa New Zealand by EV infrastructure will be built in Aotearoa New Zealand by EV Maritime Aotearoa New Zealand by EV Maritime and Aotearoa New Zealand by EV Maritime and McMullen Aotearoa New Zealand by EV Maritime and McMullen and Aotearoa New Zealand by EV Maritime and McMullen and Wang. and McMullen and Wang. Supplementary. and McMullen and Wang. Supplementary. What and McMullen and Wang. Supplementary. What will and McMullen and Wang. Supplementary. What will be and McMullen and Wang. Supplementary. What will be the Supplementary. What will be the impact Supplementary. What will be the impact of Supplementary. What will be the impact of this Supplementary. What will be the impact of this project? Supplementary. What will be the impact of this project? Mr Supplementary. What will be the impact of this project? Mr Speaker, impact of this project? Mr Speaker, the impact of this project? Mr Speaker, the current impact of this project? Mr Speaker, the current ferries impact of this project? Mr Speaker, the current ferries operating impact of this project? Mr Speaker, the current ferries operating in the current ferries operating in Auckland the current ferries operating in Auckland contribute the current ferries operating in Auckland contribute about the current ferries operating in Auckland contribute about 20% the current ferries operating in Auckland contribute about 20% of Auckland contribute about 20% of Auckland's Auckland contribute about 20% of Auckland's public Auckland contribute about 20% of Auckland's public transport Auckland's public transport emissions. Auckland's public transport emissions. These Auckland's public transport emissions. These electric Auckland's public transport emissions. These electric ferries emissions. These electric ferries are emissions. These electric ferries are the emissions. These electric ferries are the beginning emissions. These electric ferries are the beginning of emissions. These electric ferries are the beginning of dramatically are the beginning of dramatically reducing are the beginning of dramatically reducing greenhouse are the beginning of dramatically reducing greenhouse gas are the beginning of dramatically reducing greenhouse gas emissions reducing greenhouse gas emissions with reducing greenhouse gas emissions with each reducing greenhouse gas emissions with each ferry reducing greenhouse gas emissions with each ferry displacing with each ferry displacing approximately with each ferry displacing approximately 1,000 with each ferry displacing approximately 1,000 tonnes with each ferry displacing approximately 1,000 tonnes of approximately 1,000 tonnes of emission approximately 1,000 tonnes of emission - approximately 1,000 tonnes of emission - of approximately 1,000 tonnes of emission - of carbon approximately 1,000 tonnes of emission - of carbon emissions emission - of carbon emissions annually. emission - of carbon emissions annually. This emission - of carbon emissions annually. This project emission - of carbon emissions annually. This project will emission - of carbon emissions annually. This project will also emission - of carbon emissions annually. This project will also be annually. This project will also be a annually. This project will also be a major annually. This project will also be a major boost annually. This project will also be a major boost to annually. This project will also be a major boost to the a major boost to the rapidly-developing a major boost to the rapidly-developing maritime a major boost to the rapidly-developing maritime clean rapidly-developing maritime clean technology rapidly-developing maritime clean technology sector rapidly-developing maritime clean technology sector and rapidly-developing maritime clean technology sector and further technology sector and further upskill technology sector and further upskill those technology sector and further upskill those working technology sector and further upskill those working in technology sector and further upskill those working in the technology sector and further upskill those working in the sector. upskill those working in the sector. For upskill those working in the sector. For example, upskill those working in the sector. For example, propulsion upskill those working in the sector. For example, propulsion controlled For example, propulsion controlled technologies For example, propulsion controlled technologies from For example, propulsion controlled technologies from Wigram For example, propulsion controlled technologies from Wigram based technologies from Wigram based company, technologies from Wigram based company, Hamilton technologies from Wigram based company, Hamilton Jet technologies from Wigram based company, Hamilton Jet will technologies from Wigram based company, Hamilton Jet will allow technologies from Wigram based company, Hamilton Jet will allow the company, Hamilton Jet will allow the boats company, Hamilton Jet will allow the boats to company, Hamilton Jet will allow the boats to operate company, Hamilton Jet will allow the boats to operate at company, Hamilton Jet will allow the boats to operate at higher company, Hamilton Jet will allow the boats to operate at higher speeds boats to operate at higher speeds while boats to operate at higher speeds while using boats to operate at higher speeds while using less boats to operate at higher speeds while using less energy. boats to operate at higher speeds while using less energy. This while using less energy. This project while using less energy. This project is while using less energy. This project is a while using less energy. This project is a boost while using less energy. This project is a boost for while using less energy. This project is a boost for our while using less energy. This project is a boost for our climate project is a boost for our climate goals project is a boost for our climate goals and project is a boost for our climate goals and our project is a boost for our climate goals and our economy project is a boost for our climate goals and our economy which project is a boost for our climate goals and our economy which is goals and our economy which is especially goals and our economy which is especially vital goals and our economy which is especially vital as goals and our economy which is especially vital as we goals and our economy which is especially vital as we continue goals and our economy which is especially vital as we continue our especially vital as we continue our economic especially vital as we continue our economic recovery especially vital as we continue our economic recovery from especially vital as we continue our economic recovery from COVID-19. economic recovery from COVID-19. Supplementary, economic recovery from COVID-19. Supplementary, Helen economic recovery from COVID-19. Supplementary, Helen White. economic recovery from COVID-19. Supplementary, Helen White. How economic recovery from COVID-19. Supplementary, Helen White. How is Supplementary, Helen White. How is the Supplementary, Helen White. How is the Government Supplementary, Helen White. How is the Government funding Supplementary, Helen White. How is the Government funding enabling Supplementary, Helen White. How is the Government funding enabling this the Government funding enabling this project the Government funding enabling this project Mr the Government funding enabling this project Mr Speaker, the Government funding enabling this project Mr Speaker, Auckland the Government funding enabling this project Mr Speaker, Auckland - the Government funding enabling this project Mr Speaker, Auckland - $27 project Mr Speaker, Auckland - $27 million project Mr Speaker, Auckland - $27 million of project Mr Speaker, Auckland - $27 million of grant project Mr Speaker, Auckland - $27 million of grant funding project Mr Speaker, Auckland - $27 million of grant funding was million of grant funding was committed million of grant funding was committed by million of grant funding was committed by central million of grant funding was committed by central Government. committed by central Government. This committed by central Government. This funding committed by central Government. 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Was the Wellington Electric Supplementary, Chris Bishop. Was the Wellington Electric Boat Supplementary, Chris Bishop. 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Does the Minister blame the last Does the Minister blame the last Government Does the Minister blame the last Government for Does the Minister blame the last Government for the Does the Minister blame the last Government for the doubling Does the Minister blame the last Government for the doubling of Does the Minister blame the last Government for the doubling of the Government for the doubling of the number Government for the doubling of the number of Government for the doubling of the number of houses Government for the doubling of the number of houses being Government for the doubling of the number of houses being built Government for the doubling of the number of houses being built in number of houses being built in Auckland number of houses being built in Auckland under number of houses being built in Auckland under this number of houses being built in Auckland under this Government number of houses being built in Auckland under this Government or number of houses being built in Auckland under this Government or is Auckland under this Government or is she Auckland under this Government or is she willing Auckland under this Government or is she willing to Auckland under this Government or is she willing to take Auckland under this Government or is she willing to take credit Auckland under this Government or is she willing to take credit for Auckland under this Government or is she willing to take credit for this she willing to take credit for this Government? she willing to take credit for this Government? <INTERRUPTION> Government? <INTERRUPTION> No, Government? <INTERRUPTION> No, that's Government? <INTERRUPTION> No, that's out Government? <INTERRUPTION> No, that's out of Government? <INTERRUPTION> No, that's out of order. 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Community model has served us well as we responded to Omicron. Today Community model has served us well as we responded to Omicron. Today I as we responded to Omicron. Today I announced as we responded to Omicron. Today I announced a as we responded to Omicron. Today I announced a further as we responded to Omicron. Today I announced a further $58.1 as we responded to Omicron. Today I announced a further $58.1 million as we responded to Omicron. Today I announced a further $58.1 million in announced a further $58.1 million in funding. announced a further $58.1 million in funding. This announced a further $58.1 million in funding. This funding announced a further $58.1 million in funding. This funding will announced a further $58.1 million in funding. This funding will support funding. This funding will support social funding. This funding will support social service funding. This funding will support social service providers funding. This funding will support social service providers and social service providers and community social service providers and community food social service providers and community food organisations social service providers and community food organisations and social service providers and community food organisations and the community food organisations and the amazing community food organisations and the amazing work community food organisations and the amazing work they community food organisations and the amazing work they have community food organisations and the amazing work they have been community food organisations and the amazing work they have been doing community food organisations and the amazing work they have been doing to amazing work they have been doing to help amazing work they have been doing to help people amazing work they have been doing to help people with amazing work they have been doing to help people with essential amazing work they have been doing to help people with essential needs. amazing work they have been doing to help people with essential needs. We help people with essential needs. We have help people with essential needs. We have worked help people with essential needs. We have worked hard help people with essential needs. We have worked hard to help people with essential needs. We have worked hard to slow help people with essential needs. We have worked hard to slow the help people with essential needs. We have worked hard to slow the spread have worked hard to slow the spread of have worked hard to slow the spread of Omicron have worked hard to slow the spread of Omicron and have worked hard to slow the spread of Omicron and our have worked hard to slow the spread of Omicron and our Government's of Omicron and our Government's response of Omicron and our Government's response is of Omicron and our Government's response is showing of Omicron and our Government's response is showing to of Omicron and our Government's response is showing to have of Omicron and our Government's response is showing to have paid response is showing to have paid dividends response is showing to have paid dividends with response is showing to have paid dividends with a response is showing to have paid dividends with a drop response is showing to have paid dividends with a drop in response is showing to have paid dividends with a drop in demand response is showing to have paid dividends with a drop in demand for dividends with a drop in demand for support. dividends with a drop in demand for support. Now, dividends with a drop in demand for support. Now, with dividends with a drop in demand for support. Now, with higher dividends with a drop in demand for support. Now, with higher rates dividends with a drop in demand for support. Now, with higher rates of support. Now, with higher rates of vaccination support. Now, with higher rates of vaccination coverage, support. Now, with higher rates of vaccination coverage, we're support. Now, with higher rates of vaccination coverage, we're now support. Now, with higher rates of vaccination coverage, we're now able vaccination coverage, we're now able to vaccination coverage, we're now able to pivot vaccination coverage, we're now able to pivot our vaccination coverage, we're now able to pivot our response vaccination coverage, we're now able to pivot our response and vaccination coverage, we're now able to pivot our response and support vaccination coverage, we're now able to pivot our response and support a to pivot our response and support a broader to pivot our response and support a broader range to pivot our response and support a broader range of to pivot our response and support a broader range of circumstances to pivot our response and support a broader range of circumstances for broader range of circumstances for people broader range of circumstances for people who broader range of circumstances for people who have broader range of circumstances for people who have been broader range of circumstances for people who have been significantly people who have been significantly impacted people who have been significantly impacted by people who have been significantly impacted by COVID-19 people who have been significantly impacted by COVID-19 restrictions impacted by COVID-19 restrictions and impacted by COVID-19 restrictions and requirements. impacted by COVID-19 restrictions and requirements. What impacted by COVID-19 restrictions and requirements. What will impacted by COVID-19 restrictions and requirements. What will today's and requirements. What will today's announcement and requirements. What will today's announcement provide? and requirements. What will today's announcement provide? Mr and requirements. What will today's announcement provide? Mr Speaker, announcement provide? Mr Speaker, today's announcement provide? Mr Speaker, today's announcement announcement provide? Mr Speaker, today's announcement will announcement provide? Mr Speaker, today's announcement will provide today's announcement will provide certainty today's announcement will provide certainty for today's announcement will provide certainty for many today's announcement will provide certainty for many organisations today's announcement will provide certainty for many organisations who certainty for many organisations who are certainty for many organisations who are supporting certainty for many organisations who are supporting our certainty for many organisations who are supporting our communities certainty for many organisations who are supporting our communities as certainty for many organisations who are supporting our communities as we are supporting our communities as we move are supporting our communities as we move through are supporting our communities as we move through the are supporting our communities as we move through the pandemic move through the pandemic specifically move through the pandemic specifically we move through the pandemic specifically we will move through the pandemic specifically we will fund move through the pandemic specifically we will fund support specifically we will fund support for specifically we will fund support for ongoing specifically we will fund support for ongoing and specifically we will fund support for ongoing and transitional specifically we will fund support for ongoing and transitional Care specifically we will fund support for ongoing and transitional Care in for ongoing and transitional Care in the for ongoing and transitional Care in the Community for ongoing and transitional Care in the Community including for ongoing and transitional Care in the Community including a for ongoing and transitional Care in the Community including a pivot for ongoing and transitional Care in the Community including a pivot in the Community including a pivot in work the Community including a pivot in work for the Community including a pivot in work for community the Community including a pivot in work for community connectus, work for community connectus, confidence work for community connectus, confidence and work for community connectus, confidence and certainty work for community connectus, confidence and certainty for confidence and certainty for community confidence and certainty for community food confidence and certainty for community food organisations confidence and certainty for community food organisations and community food organisations and MSD's community food organisations and MSD's food community food organisations and MSD's food secure community food organisations and MSD's food secure community's MSD's food secure community's programme, MSD's food secure community's programme, and MSD's food secure community's programme, and funding MSD's food secure community's programme, and funding to MSD's food secure community's programme, and funding to support programme, and funding to support the programme, and funding to support the wellbeing programme, and funding to support the wellbeing of programme, and funding to support the wellbeing of disabled programme, and funding to support the wellbeing of disabled people. the wellbeing of disabled people. What the wellbeing of disabled people. What role the wellbeing of disabled people. What role will the wellbeing of disabled people. What role will community the wellbeing of disabled people. What role will community connectus What role will community connectus play What role will community connectus play in What role will community connectus play in the What role will community connectus play in the transition What role will community connectus play in the transition plan? What role will community connectus play in the transition plan? Mr play in the transition plan? Mr Speaker, play in the transition plan? Mr Speaker, as play in the transition plan? Mr Speaker, as caseloads play in the transition plan? Mr Speaker, as caseloads of Speaker, as caseloads of self-isolating Speaker, as caseloads of self-isolating households Speaker, as caseloads of self-isolating households reduce, self-isolating households reduce, community self-isolating households reduce, community connectous self-isolating households reduce, community connectous will self-isolating households reduce, community connectous will transition community connectous will transition towards community connectous will transition towards broader community connectous will transition towards broader support community connectous will transition towards broader support to community connectous will transition towards broader support to families towards broader support to families towards towards broader support to families impacted by COVID-19. towards broader support to families impacted by COVID-19. With towards broader support to families impacted by COVID-19. With 500 impacted by COVID-19. With 500 community impacted by COVID-19. With 500 community connectous impacted by COVID-19. With 500 community connectous hosted impacted by COVID-19. With 500 community connectous hosted by impacted by COVID-19. With 500 community connectous hosted by 260 community connectous hosted by 260 providers community connectous hosted by 260 providers around community connectous hosted by 260 providers around the community connectous hosted by 260 providers around the country, community connectous hosted by 260 providers around the country, the providers around the country, the community providers around the country, the community connection providers around the country, the community connection service providers around the country, the community connection service has community connection service has been community connection service has been a community connection service has been a vital community connection service has been a vital link community connection service has been a vital link to community connection service has been a vital link to support community connection service has been a vital link to support the been a vital link to support the needs been a vital link to support the needs of been a vital link to support the needs of people been a vital link to support the needs of people self-isolating. been a vital link to support the needs of people self-isolating. The needs of people self-isolating. The funding needs of people self-isolating. The funding announced needs of people self-isolating. The funding announced today needs of people self-isolating. The funding announced today will needs of people self-isolating. The funding announced today will allow funding announced today will allow this funding announced today will allow this mahi funding announced today will allow this mahi to funding announced today will allow this mahi to continue funding announced today will allow this mahi to continue while funding announced today will allow this mahi to continue while also this mahi to continue while also enabling this mahi to continue while also enabling connect this mahi to continue while also enabling connect ous this mahi to continue while also enabling connect ous to this mahi to continue while also enabling connect ous to help this mahi to continue while also enabling connect ous to help people enabling connect ous to help people with enabling connect ous to help people with broader enabling connect ous to help people with broader COVID enabling connect ous to help people with broader COVID related enabling connect ous to help people with broader COVID related issues. with broader COVID related issues. This with broader COVID related issues. This could with broader COVID related issues. This could include with broader COVID related issues. This could include with with broader COVID related issues. This could include with those with broader COVID related issues. This could include with those with This could include with those with high This could include with those with high and This could include with those with high and complex This could include with those with high and complex needs This could include with those with high and complex needs which This could include with those with high and complex needs which may high and complex needs which may need high and complex needs which may need support high and complex needs which may need support with high and complex needs which may need support with employment high and complex needs which may need support with employment or need support with employment or educational need support with employment or educational support. need support with employment or educational support. We'll need support with employment or educational support. We'll continue educational support. We'll continue to educational support. We'll continue to keep educational support. We'll continue to keep an educational support. We'll continue to keep an eye educational support. We'll continue to keep an eye on educational support. We'll continue to keep an eye on the educational support. We'll continue to keep an eye on the ongoing to keep an eye on the ongoing impacts to keep an eye on the ongoing impacts of to keep an eye on the ongoing impacts of COVID-19 to keep an eye on the ongoing impacts of COVID-19 in to keep an eye on the ongoing impacts of COVID-19 in our impacts of COVID-19 in our communities impacts of COVID-19 in our communities and impacts of COVID-19 in our communities and be impacts of COVID-19 in our communities and be ready impacts of COVID-19 in our communities and be ready to impacts of COVID-19 in our communities and be ready to pivot communities and be ready to pivot the communities and be ready to pivot the community communities and be ready to pivot the community connection communities and be ready to pivot the community connection service communities and be ready to pivot the community connection service if the community connection service if required the community connection service if required for the community connection service if required for a the community connection service if required for a further the community connection service if required for a further Omicron the community connection service if required for a further Omicron wave required for a further Omicron wave or required for a further Omicron wave or a required for a further Omicron wave or a new required for a further Omicron wave or a new variant. required for a further Omicron wave or a new variant. Question required for a further Omicron wave or a new variant. Question No. required for a further Omicron wave or a new variant. Question No. 5 required for a further Omicron wave or a new variant. Question No. 5 in or a new variant. Question No. 5 in the or a new variant. Question No. 5 in the name or a new variant. Question No. 5 in the name of or a new variant. Question No. 5 in the name of the or a new variant. Question No. 5 in the name of the Hon or a new variant. Question No. 5 in the name of the Hon Louise or a new variant. Question No. 5 in the name of the Hon Louise Upston. the name of the Hon Louise Upston. Thank the name of the Hon Louise Upston. the the name of the Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, Mr the name of the Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development My question is to the Minister for Social Development and My question is to the Minister for Social Development and Employment: Social Development and Employment: Does Social Development and Employment: Does she Social Development and Employment: Does she stand Social Development and Employment: Does she stand by Social Development and Employment: Does she stand by all Social Development and Employment: Does she stand by all her Social Development and Employment: Does she stand by all her statements Does she stand by all her statements and Does she stand by all her statements and actions? 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Both or quote, "We don't just apply sanctions easily"? Both of or quote, "We don't just apply sanctions easily"? Both of those sanctions easily"? Both of those comments sanctions easily"? Both of those comments are sanctions easily"? Both of those comments are correct, sanctions easily"? Both of those comments are correct, Mr sanctions easily"? Both of those comments are correct, Mr Speaker. comments are correct, Mr Speaker. They're comments are correct, Mr Speaker. They're not comments are correct, Mr Speaker. They're not mutually comments are correct, Mr Speaker. They're not mutually exclusive comments are correct, Mr Speaker. They're not mutually exclusive at They're not mutually exclusive at all. They're not mutually exclusive at all. Supplementary. They're not mutually exclusive at all. Supplementary. Can They're not mutually exclusive at all. Supplementary. Can she They're not mutually exclusive at all. Supplementary. Can she explain all. Supplementary. Can she explain why all. Supplementary. Can she explain why sanctions all. Supplementary. Can she explain why sanctions for all. Supplementary. Can she explain why sanctions for failing all. Supplementary. Can she explain why sanctions for failing to all. Supplementary. Can she explain why sanctions for failing to attend why sanctions for failing to attend a why sanctions for failing to attend a work why sanctions for failing to attend a work appointment why sanctions for failing to attend a work appointment in why sanctions for failing to attend a work appointment in March why sanctions for failing to attend a work appointment in March 2022 a work appointment in March 2022 were a work appointment in March 2022 were 67% a work appointment in March 2022 were 67% lower a work appointment in March 2022 were 67% lower compared a work appointment in March 2022 were 67% lower compared to a work appointment in March 2022 were 67% lower compared to March were 67% lower compared to March 2020? were 67% lower compared to March 2020? Mr were 67% lower compared to March 2020? Mr Speaker, were 67% lower compared to March 2020? Mr Speaker, because were 67% lower compared to March 2020? Mr Speaker, because now were 67% lower compared to March 2020? Mr Speaker, because now we 2020? Mr Speaker, because now we have 2020? Mr Speaker, because now we have a 2020? Mr Speaker, because now we have a ministry 2020? Mr Speaker, because now we have a ministry for 2020? Mr Speaker, because now we have a ministry for social have a ministry for social development have a ministry for social development that have a ministry for social development that has have a ministry for social development that has conversations development that has conversations with development that has conversations with their development that has conversations with their clients, development that has conversations with their clients, Mr development that has conversations with their clients, Mr Speaker. development that has conversations with their clients, Mr Speaker. Mr with their clients, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, with their clients, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, they with their clients, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, they build with their clients, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, they build relationships Speaker, they build relationships with Speaker, they build relationships with their Speaker, they build relationships with their clients, Speaker, they build relationships with their clients, they Speaker, they build relationships with their clients, they ascertain with their clients, they ascertain what with their clients, they ascertain what their with their clients, they ascertain what their situations with their clients, they ascertain what their situations are, with their clients, they ascertain what their situations are, Mr what their situations are, Mr Speaker. what their situations are, Mr Speaker. It's what their situations are, Mr Speaker. It's led what their situations are, Mr Speaker. It's led to what their situations are, Mr Speaker. It's led to great what their situations are, Mr Speaker. It's led to great results, Speaker. It's led to great results, Mr Speaker. It's led to great results, Mr Speaker. Speaker. It's led to great results, Mr Speaker. We Speaker. It's led to great results, Mr Speaker. We have Speaker. It's led to great results, Mr Speaker. We have seen Speaker. It's led to great results, Mr Speaker. We have seen the Speaker. It's led to great results, Mr Speaker. We have seen the largest Mr Speaker. We have seen the largest exits Mr Speaker. We have seen the largest exits off Mr Speaker. We have seen the largest exits off benefit Mr Speaker. We have seen the largest exits off benefit into Mr Speaker. We have seen the largest exits off benefit into employment exits off benefit into employment since exits off benefit into employment since electronic exits off benefit into employment since electronic records exits off benefit into employment since electronic records have exits off benefit into employment since electronic records have been since electronic records have been kept since electronic records have been kept and since electronic records have been kept and we since electronic records have been kept and we certainly since electronic records have been kept and we certainly haven't kept and we certainly haven't breached kept and we certainly haven't breached the kept and we certainly haven't breached the -- kept and we certainly haven't breached the -- reached kept and we certainly haven't breached the -- reached the kept and we certainly haven't breached the -- reached the peaks kept and we certainly haven't breached the -- reached the peaks of breached the -- reached the peaks of benefit breached the -- reached the peaks of benefit numbers breached the -- reached the peaks of benefit numbers that breached the -- reached the peaks of benefit numbers that were breached the -- reached the peaks of benefit numbers that were originally benefit numbers that were originally forecast benefit numbers that were originally forecast by benefit numbers that were originally forecast by treasury, benefit numbers that were originally forecast by treasury, Mr benefit numbers that were originally forecast by treasury, Mr Speaker. benefit numbers that were originally forecast by treasury, Mr Speaker. We forecast by treasury, Mr Speaker. We stand forecast by treasury, Mr Speaker. We stand by forecast by treasury, Mr Speaker. We stand by our forecast by treasury, Mr Speaker. We stand by our record forecast by treasury, Mr Speaker. We stand by our record during forecast by treasury, Mr Speaker. We stand by our record during the forecast by treasury, Mr Speaker. We stand by our record during the COVID stand by our record during the COVID pandemic stand by our record during the COVID pandemic and stand by our record during the COVID pandemic and we stand by our record during the COVID pandemic and we continue stand by our record during the COVID pandemic and we continue to stand by our record during the COVID pandemic and we continue to see stand by our record during the COVID pandemic and we continue to see good pandemic and we continue to see good results pandemic and we continue to see good results with pandemic and we continue to see good results with regards pandemic and we continue to see good results with regards to pandemic and we continue to see good results with regards to exits pandemic and we continue to see good results with regards to exits off results with regards to exits off benefit results with regards to exits off benefit into results with regards to exits off benefit into employment, results with regards to exits off benefit into employment, Mr results with regards to exits off benefit into employment, Mr Speaker. benefit into employment, Mr Speaker. Supplementary. benefit into employment, Mr Speaker. Supplementary. Supplementary, Supplementary. Supplementary, Ricardo Supplementary. Supplementary, Ricardo Menendez Supplementary. Supplementary, Ricardo Menendez March. Supplementary. Supplementary, Ricardo Menendez March. Thank Supplementary. Supplementary, Ricardo Menendez March. Thank you, Ricardo Menendez March. Thank you, Mr Ricardo Menendez March. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Ricardo Menendez March. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does Ricardo Menendez March. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does the Ricardo Menendez March. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does the Minister Ricardo Menendez March. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does the Minister stand Mr Speaker. Does the Minister stand by Mr Speaker. Does the Minister stand by her Mr Speaker. Does the Minister stand by her statement Mr Speaker. Does the Minister stand by her statement on Mr Speaker. Does the Minister stand by her statement on the Mr Speaker. Does the Minister stand by her statement on the breakfast by her statement on the breakfast show by her statement on the breakfast show on by her statement on the breakfast show on 1 by her statement on the breakfast show on 1 April by her statement on the breakfast show on 1 April that by her statement on the breakfast show on 1 April that there by her statement on the breakfast show on 1 April that there are show on 1 April that there are quote, show on 1 April that there are quote, "Still show on 1 April that there are quote, "Still final show on 1 April that there are quote, "Still final living show on 1 April that there are quote, "Still final living in quote, "Still final living in hardship." quote, "Still final living in hardship." If quote, "Still final living in hardship." If so quote, "Still final living in hardship." If so she quote, "Still final living in hardship." If so she does quote, "Still final living in hardship." If so she does she quote, "Still final living in hardship." If so she does she think hardship." If so she does she think the hardship." If so she does she think the social hardship." If so she does she think the social security's hardship." If so she does she think the social security's act hardship." If so she does she think the social security's act purpose hardship." If so she does she think the social security's act purpose is the social security's act purpose is to the social security's act purpose is to end the social security's act purpose is to end hardship the social security's act purpose is to end hardship not the social security's act purpose is to end hardship not just the social security's act purpose is to end hardship not just alleviate to end hardship not just alleviate it? to end hardship not just alleviate it? Mr to end hardship not just alleviate it? Mr Speaker, to end hardship not just alleviate it? Mr Speaker, yes to end hardship not just alleviate it? Mr Speaker, yes I to end hardship not just alleviate it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand to end hardship not just alleviate it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by to end hardship not just alleviate it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by the it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by the statement it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by the statement that it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by the statement that I it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by the statement that I made it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by the statement that I made on it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by the statement that I made on 1 it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by the statement that I made on 1 April it? Mr Speaker, yes I stand by the statement that I made on 1 April and statement that I made on 1 April and I statement that I made on 1 April and I also statement that I made on 1 April and I also add statement that I made on 1 April and I also add that statement that I made on 1 April and I also add that some statement that I made on 1 April and I also add that some of statement that I made on 1 April and I also add that some of the statement that I made on 1 April and I also add that some of the issues I also add that some of the issues that I also add that some of the issues that we I also add that some of the issues that we face I also add that some of the issues that we face including I also add that some of the issues that we face including hardship I also add that some of the issues that we face including hardship that that we face including hardship that whanau that we face including hardship that whanau are that we face including hardship that whanau are faced that we face including hardship that whanau are faced with that we face including hardship that whanau are faced with were that we face including hardship that whanau are faced with were issues whanau are faced with were issues that whanau are faced with were issues that we whanau are faced with were issues that we faced whanau are faced with were issues that we faced pre-pandemic whanau are faced with were issues that we faced pre-pandemic and that we faced pre-pandemic and really that we faced pre-pandemic and really have that we faced pre-pandemic and really have been that we faced pre-pandemic and really have been exacerbated that we faced pre-pandemic and really have been exacerbated because really have been exacerbated because of really have been exacerbated because of the really have been exacerbated because of the pandemic. really have been exacerbated because of the pandemic. Mr really have been exacerbated because of the pandemic. Mr Speaker, really have been exacerbated because of the pandemic. Mr Speaker, I of the pandemic. Mr Speaker, I certainly of the pandemic. Mr Speaker, I certainly do of the pandemic. Mr Speaker, I certainly do think of the pandemic. Mr Speaker, I certainly do think that of the pandemic. Mr Speaker, I certainly do think that we of the pandemic. Mr Speaker, I certainly do think that we need of the pandemic. 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That legislation in this House. That holds legislation in this House. That holds us legislation in this House. That holds us accountable legislation in this House. That holds us accountable as legislation in this House. That holds us accountable as a holds us accountable as a Government. The The Hon The Hon Louise The Hon Louise Upston. The Hon Louise Upston. Thank The Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, The Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, Mr The Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does The Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does she The Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does she stand The Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does she stand by The Hon Louise Upston. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does she stand by her Speaker. Does she stand by her statement Speaker. Does she stand by her statement yesterday Speaker. Does she stand by her statement yesterday about Speaker. Does she stand by her statement yesterday about reducing statement yesterday about reducing the statement yesterday about reducing the number statement yesterday about reducing the number of statement yesterday about reducing the number of long statement yesterday about reducing the number of long term statement yesterday about reducing the number of long term job-seekers the number of long term job-seekers when the number of long term job-seekers when significant the number of long term job-seekers when significant staff the number of long term job-seekers when significant staff shortages when significant staff shortages exist when significant staff shortages exist that, when significant staff shortages exist that, quote when significant staff shortages exist that, quote "this when significant staff shortages exist that, quote "this takes when significant staff shortages exist that, quote "this takes time"? exist that, quote "this takes time"? If exist that, quote "this takes time"? 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I encourage the member them to take up employment. I encourage the member to them to take up employment. I encourage the member to watch them to take up employment. 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Mr increased by 60 - 6-0 - per cent, under her watch? Mr Speaker, increased by 60 - 6-0 - per cent, under her watch? Mr Speaker, there under her watch? Mr Speaker, there have under her watch? Mr Speaker, there have been under her watch? Mr Speaker, there have been increases under her watch? Mr Speaker, there have been increases in under her watch? Mr Speaker, there have been increases in the under her watch? Mr Speaker, there have been increases in the number under her watch? 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Mr on a benefit for longer than a year? Mr Speaker, on a benefit for longer than a year? Mr Speaker, we've on a benefit for longer than a year? Mr Speaker, we've gone on a benefit for longer than a year? Mr Speaker, we've gone through on a benefit for longer than a year? Mr Speaker, we've gone through these Mr Speaker, we've gone through these ticks. Mr Speaker, we've gone through these ticks. In Mr Speaker, we've gone through these ticks. In fact, Mr Speaker, we've gone through these ticks. In fact, with Mr Speaker, we've gone through these ticks. In fact, with regards Mr Speaker, we've gone through these ticks. In fact, with regards to Mr Speaker, we've gone through these ticks. In fact, with regards to mana ticks. In fact, with regards to mana and ticks. In fact, with regards to mana and mahi, ticks. In fact, with regards to mana and mahi, we ticks. In fact, with regards to mana and mahi, we have ticks. In fact, with regards to mana and mahi, we have outdone ticks. 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I think last time I have been involved in the programme. I think last time I checked have been involved in the programme. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Police: Does Police: Does she Police: Does she stand Police: Does she stand by Police: Does she stand by her Police: Does she stand by her statement, Does she stand by her statement, "I Does she stand by her statement, "I reject Does she stand by her statement, "I reject the Does she stand by her statement, "I reject the premise Does she stand by her statement, "I reject the premise that Does she stand by her statement, "I reject the premise that gang "I reject the premise that gang tensions "I reject the premise that gang tensions have "I reject the premise that gang tensions have increased "I reject the premise that gang tensions have increased under "I reject the premise that gang tensions have increased under this tensions have increased under this Government's tensions have increased under this Government's watch"? The The Hon The Hon Kris The Hon Kris Faafoi. The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, on The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, on behalf The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, on behalf of The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the I The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the I stand The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the I stand by The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the I stand by the The Hon Kris Faafoi. 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We have deployed more police than any other government they need. We have deployed more police than any other government in police than any other government in this police than any other government in this country's police than any other government in this country's history. police than any other government in this country's history. We police than any other government in this country's history. We banned this country's history. We banned assault this country's history. We banned assault weapons this country's history. We banned assault weapons and this country's history. We banned assault weapons and introduced assault weapons and introduced firearm assault weapons and introduced firearm protection assault weapons and introduced firearm protection orders, firearm protection orders, introduced firearm protection orders, introduced legislation firearm protection orders, introduced legislation to firearm protection orders, introduced legislation to hit introduced legislation to hit criminal introduced legislation to hit criminal naturals introduced legislation to hit criminal naturals where introduced legislation to hit criminal naturals where it introduced legislation to hit criminal naturals where it hurts, criminal naturals where it hurts, their criminal naturals where it hurts, their pockets, criminal naturals where it hurts, their pockets, so criminal naturals where it hurts, their pockets, so they criminal naturals where it hurts, their pockets, so they don't criminal naturals where it hurts, their pockets, so they don't benefit their pockets, so they don't benefit from their pockets, so they don't benefit from dirty their pockets, so they don't benefit from dirty money their pockets, so they don't benefit from dirty money and their pockets, so they don't benefit from dirty money and running their pockets, so they don't benefit from dirty money and running the from dirty money and running the resilience from dirty money and running the resilience to from dirty money and running the resilience to organised from dirty money and running the resilience to organised crime resilience to organised crime programme resilience to organised crime programme to resilience to organised crime programme to work resilience to organised crime programme to work with resilience to organised crime programme to work with communities programme to work with communities to programme to work with communities to address programme to work with communities to address the programme to work with communities to address the harms programme to work with communities to address the harms and programme to work with communities to address the harms and drivers programme to work with communities to address the harms and drivers of to address the harms and drivers of organised to address the harms and drivers of organised crime. organised crime. 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Why has allows us to make sure we tackle gang issues. Why has the allows us to make sure we tackle gang issues. Why has the Government gang issues. Why has the Government taken gang issues. Why has the Government taken so gang issues. Why has the Government taken so long gang issues. Why has the Government taken so long to gang issues. Why has the Government taken so long to take gang issues. Why has the Government taken so long to take action, gang issues. Why has the Government taken so long to take action, and taken so long to take action, and announce taken so long to take action, and announce a taken so long to take action, and announce a taskforce, taken so long to take action, and announce a taskforce, Strikeforce announce a taskforce, Strikeforce Raptor, announce a taskforce, Strikeforce Raptor, which announce a taskforce, Strikeforce Raptor, which the announce a taskforce, Strikeforce Raptor, which the Government Raptor, which the Government announced Raptor, which the Government announced years Raptor, which the Government announced years ago? Raptor, which the Government announced years ago? The Raptor, which the Government announced years ago? The original announced years ago? The original author announced years ago? The original author - announced years ago? The original author - the announced years ago? The original author - the Government announced years ago? The original author - the Government didn't announced years ago? 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Mr Speaker, this government has Operation Cobalt. Mr Speaker, this government has resourced Operation Cobalt. Mr Speaker, this government has resourced the Operation Cobalt. Mr Speaker, this government has resourced the police government has resourced the police properly, government has resourced the police properly, ensuring government has resourced the police properly, ensuring we government has resourced the police properly, ensuring we have government has resourced the police properly, ensuring we have 1400 government has resourced the police properly, ensuring we have 1400 more properly, ensuring we have 1400 more police, properly, ensuring we have 1400 more police, and properly, ensuring we have 1400 more police, and by properly, ensuring we have 1400 more police, and by the properly, ensuring we have 1400 more police, and by the credit properly, ensuring we have 1400 more police, and by the credit of properly, ensuring we have 1400 more police, and by the credit of the police, and by the credit of the parliamentary police, and by the credit of the parliamentary system, police, and by the credit of the parliamentary system, able police, and by the credit of the parliamentary system, able to police, and by the credit of the parliamentary system, able to be parliamentary system, able to be here parliamentary system, able to be here as parliamentary system, able to be here as Minister parliamentary system, able to be here as Minister of parliamentary system, able to be here as Minister of Police parliamentary system, able to be here as Minister of Police answering here as Minister of Police answering this here as Minister of Police answering this question here as Minister of Police answering this question and here as Minister of Police answering this question and to here as Minister of Police answering this question and to be here as Minister of Police answering this question and to be at here as Minister of Police answering this question and to be at the here as Minister of Police answering this question and to be at the Royal this question and to be at the Royal NZ this question and to be at the Royal NZ Police this question and to be at the Royal NZ Police College this question and to be at the Royal NZ Police College in this question and to be at the Royal NZ Police College in welcoming this question and to be at the Royal NZ Police College in welcoming the NZ Police College in welcoming the graduates NZ Police College in welcoming the graduates of NZ Police College in welcoming the graduates of Wing NZ Police College in welcoming the graduates of Wing 353, NZ Police College in welcoming the graduates of Wing 353, 71 NZ Police College in welcoming the graduates of Wing 353, 71 more graduates of Wing 353, 71 more recruits graduates of Wing 353, 71 more recruits for graduates of Wing 353, 71 more recruits for our graduates of Wing 353, 71 more recruits for our front-line. recruits for our front-line. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> If <INTERRUPTION> If this <INTERRUPTION> If this government <INTERRUPTION> If this government has <INTERRUPTION> If this government has resourced <INTERRUPTION> If this government has resourced the If this government has resourced the police If this government has resourced the police properly, If this government has resourced the police properly, why If this government has resourced the police properly, why do If this government has resourced the police properly, why do we If this government has resourced the police properly, why do we see If this government has resourced the police properly, why do we see such police properly, why do we see such massive police properly, why do we see such massive increase police properly, why do we see such massive increase in police properly, why do we see such massive increase in gang police properly, why do we see such massive increase in gang violence? massive increase in gang violence? 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The last part of the question, we've looked closely the question, we've looked closely at the question, we've looked closely at ventilation the question, we've looked closely at ventilation within the question, we've looked closely at ventilation within schools the question, we've looked closely at ventilation within schools as the question, we've looked closely at ventilation within schools as to at ventilation within schools as to what at ventilation within schools as to what is at ventilation within schools as to what is the at ventilation within schools as to what is the most at ventilation within schools as to what is the most effective at ventilation within schools as to what is the most effective way at ventilation within schools as to what is the most effective way of what is the most effective way of delivering what is the most effective way of delivering good what is the most effective way of delivering good ventilation what is the most effective way of delivering good ventilation in delivering good ventilation in schools delivering good ventilation in schools and delivering good ventilation in schools and artificial delivering good ventilation in schools and artificial ventilation schools and artificial ventilation systems schools and artificial ventilation systems - schools and artificial ventilation systems - so schools and artificial ventilation systems - so air schools and artificial ventilation systems - so air cleaners schools and artificial ventilation systems - so air cleaners - schools and artificial ventilation systems - so air cleaners - don't systems - so air cleaners - don't replenish systems - so air cleaners - don't replenish the systems - so air cleaners - don't replenish the air systems - so air cleaners - don't replenish the air as systems - so air cleaners - don't replenish the air as frequently systems - so air cleaners - don't replenish the air as frequently as replenish the air as frequently as opening replenish the air as frequently as opening the replenish the air as frequently as opening the windows, replenish the air as frequently as opening the windows, even replenish the air as frequently as opening the windows, even a replenish the air as frequently as opening the windows, even a small opening the windows, even a small amount. opening the windows, even a small amount. Supplementary. opening the windows, even a small amount. Supplementary. What opening the windows, even a small amount. Supplementary. What advice amount. Supplementary. What advice has amount. Supplementary. What advice has rereceived amount. Supplementary. What advice has rereceived if amount. Supplementary. What advice has rereceived if any, amount. Supplementary. What advice has rereceived if any, on amount. Supplementary. What advice has rereceived if any, on the amount. Supplementary. What advice has rereceived if any, on the role has rereceived if any, on the role of has rereceived if any, on the role of reduce has rereceived if any, on the role of reduce masks has rereceived if any, on the role of reduce masks in has rereceived if any, on the role of reduce masks in reducing has rereceived if any, on the role of reduce masks in reducing school of reduce masks in reducing school transmission. of reduce masks in reducing school transmission. Does of reduce masks in reducing school transmission. Does this of reduce masks in reducing school transmission. Does this suggest of reduce masks in reducing school transmission. Does this suggest the transmission. Does this suggest the Government transmission. Does this suggest the Government should transmission. Does this suggest the Government should provide transmission. Does this suggest the Government should provide N19, transmission. Does this suggest the Government should provide N19, N95 Government should provide N19, N95 or Government should provide N19, N95 or equivalent Government should provide N19, N95 or equivalent masks Government should provide N19, N95 or equivalent masks to Government should provide N19, N95 or equivalent masks to schools Government should provide N19, N95 or equivalent masks to schools and or equivalent masks to schools and mandating or equivalent masks to schools and mandating mask or equivalent masks to schools and mandating mask use or equivalent masks to schools and mandating mask use over or equivalent masks to schools and mandating mask use over winter? or equivalent masks to schools and mandating mask use over winter? Mr mandating mask use over winter? Mr Speaker, mandating mask use over winter? Mr Speaker, it mandating mask use over winter? Mr Speaker, it depends mandating mask use over winter? Mr Speaker, it depends on mandating mask use over winter? Mr Speaker, it depends on the mandating mask use over winter? Mr Speaker, it depends on the context Speaker, it depends on the context of Speaker, it depends on the context of the Speaker, it depends on the context of the school Speaker, it depends on the context of the school environment Speaker, it depends on the context of the school environment in of the school environment in question. of the school environment in question. Yes, of the school environment in question. Yes, masks of the school environment in question. Yes, masks still of the school environment in question. Yes, masks still continue question. Yes, masks still continue to question. Yes, masks still continue to play question. Yes, masks still continue to play a question. Yes, masks still continue to play a useful question. Yes, masks still continue to play a useful role question. Yes, masks still continue to play a useful role in question. Yes, masks still continue to play a useful role in schools. to play a useful role in schools. Schools to play a useful role in schools. Schools determine to play a useful role in schools. Schools determine their to play a useful role in schools. Schools determine their own Schools determine their own approaches Schools determine their own approaches around Schools determine their own approaches around mask Schools determine their own approaches around mask use, approaches around mask use, depending approaches around mask use, depending on approaches around mask use, depending on the approaches around mask use, depending on the particular approaches around mask use, depending on the particular risks depending on the particular risks they depending on the particular risks they confront depending on the particular risks they confront relevant depending on the particular risks they confront relevant to depending on the particular risks they confront relevant to their they confront relevant to their circumstances. they confront relevant to their circumstances. They they confront relevant to their circumstances. They have they confront relevant to their circumstances. They have our they confront relevant to their circumstances. They have our full circumstances. They have our full support circumstances. They have our full support if circumstances. They have our full support if they circumstances. They have our full support if they decide circumstances. They have our full support if they decide mask circumstances. They have our full support if they decide mask use support if they decide mask use should support if they decide mask use should be support if they decide mask use should be still support if they decide mask use should be still required. support if they decide mask use should be still required. We support if they decide mask use should be still required. We are should be still required. We are continuing should be still required. We are continuing and should be still required. We are continuing and have should be still required. We are continuing and have provided should be still required. We are continuing and have provided to continuing and have provided to schools continuing and have provided to schools masks continuing and have provided to schools masks to continuing and have provided to schools masks to make continuing and have provided to schools masks to make sure continuing and have provided to schools masks to make sure cost continuing and have provided to schools masks to make sure cost is schools masks to make sure cost is not schools masks to make sure cost is not a schools masks to make sure cost is not a barrier. schools masks to make sure cost is not a barrier. Supplementary. schools masks to make sure cost is not a barrier. Supplementary. What not a barrier. Supplementary. What steps, not a barrier. Supplementary. What steps, if not a barrier. Supplementary. What steps, if any, not a barrier. Supplementary. What steps, if any, has not a barrier. Supplementary. What steps, if any, has he not a barrier. Supplementary. What steps, if any, has he taken not a barrier. Supplementary. What steps, if any, has he taken to steps, if any, has he taken to increase steps, if any, has he taken to increase COVID-19 steps, if any, has he taken to increase COVID-19 vaccination increase COVID-19 vaccination amongst increase COVID-19 vaccination amongst Tamaraki increase COVID-19 vaccination amongst Tamaraki Maori, increase COVID-19 vaccination amongst Tamaraki Maori, such increase COVID-19 vaccination amongst Tamaraki Maori, such as amongst Tamaraki Maori, such as working amongst Tamaraki Maori, such as working alongside amongst Tamaraki Maori, such as working alongside community working alongside community providers working alongside community providers or working alongside community providers or rolling working alongside community providers or rolling out working alongside community providers or rolling out vaccination providers or rolling out vaccination at providers or rolling out vaccination at schools? providers or rolling out vaccination at schools? Mr providers or rolling out vaccination at schools? Mr Speaker, providers or rolling out vaccination at schools? Mr Speaker, increasing at schools? Mr Speaker, increasing our at schools? Mr Speaker, increasing our Tamariki at schools? Mr Speaker, increasing our Tamariki vaccination at schools? Mr Speaker, increasing our Tamariki vaccination rates at schools? Mr Speaker, increasing our Tamariki vaccination rates is at schools? Mr Speaker, increasing our Tamariki vaccination rates is a our Tamariki vaccination rates is a priority. our Tamariki vaccination rates is a priority. We our Tamariki vaccination rates is a priority. We continue our Tamariki vaccination rates is a priority. We continue to our Tamariki vaccination rates is a priority. We continue to work priority. We continue to work alongside priority. We continue to work alongside local priority. We continue to work alongside local providers priority. We continue to work alongside local providers tos priority. We continue to work alongside local providers tos to alongside local providers tos to make alongside local providers tos to make sure alongside local providers tos to make sure vaccinations alongside local providers tos to make sure vaccinations roll alongside local providers tos to make sure vaccinations roll out. alongside local providers tos to make sure vaccinations roll out. We make sure vaccinations roll out. We have make sure vaccinations roll out. We have to make sure vaccinations roll out. We have to acknowledge make sure vaccinations roll out. We have to acknowledge that make sure vaccinations roll out. We have to acknowledge that vaccination have to acknowledge that vaccination rates have to acknowledge that vaccination rates amongst have to acknowledge that vaccination rates amongst the have to acknowledge that vaccination rates amongst the youngest have to acknowledge that vaccination rates amongst the youngest aged rates amongst the youngest aged cohort rates amongst the youngest aged cohort eligible, rates amongst the youngest aged cohort eligible, the rates amongst the youngest aged cohort eligible, the 5-11-year-olds, cohort eligible, the 5-11-year-olds, continues cohort eligible, the 5-11-year-olds, continues to cohort eligible, the 5-11-year-olds, continues to be cohort eligible, the 5-11-year-olds, continues to be low. cohort eligible, the 5-11-year-olds, continues to be low. One cohort eligible, the 5-11-year-olds, continues to be low. One of cohort eligible, the 5-11-year-olds, continues to be low. One of the continues to be low. One of the reasons continues to be low. One of the reasons that continues to be low. One of the reasons that we're continues to be low. One of the reasons that we're hearing continues to be low. One of the reasons that we're hearing that reasons that we're hearing that second reasons that we're hearing that second dose reasons that we're hearing that second dose - reasons that we're hearing that second dose - the reasons that we're hearing that second dose - the rates reasons that we're hearing that second dose - the rates of reasons that we're hearing that second dose - the rates of second second dose - the rates of second dosing second dose - the rates of second dosing - second dose - the rates of second dosing - are second dose - the rates of second dosing - are lagging second dose - the rates of second dosing - are lagging behind second dose - the rates of second dosing - are lagging behind first second dose - the rates of second dosing - are lagging behind first is dosing - are lagging behind first is that dosing - are lagging behind first is that a dosing - are lagging behind first is that a number dosing - are lagging behind first is that a number of dosing - are lagging behind first is that a number of the dosing - are lagging behind first is that a number of the children dosing - are lagging behind first is that a number of the children have that a number of the children have subsequently that a number of the children have subsequently had that a number of the children have subsequently had COVID-19 that a number of the children have subsequently had COVID-19 and subsequently had COVID-19 and therefore subsequently had COVID-19 and therefore have subsequently had COVID-19 and therefore have to subsequently had COVID-19 and therefore have to wait subsequently had COVID-19 and therefore have to wait three subsequently had COVID-19 and therefore have to wait three months therefore have to wait three months before therefore have to wait three months before they therefore have to wait three months before they can therefore have to wait three months before they can get therefore have to wait three months before they can get their therefore have to wait three months before they can get their second before they can get their second doses. before they can get their second doses. There before they can get their second doses. There will before they can get their second doses. There will be before they can get their second doses. There will be some before they can get their second doses. There will be some who doses. There will be some who haven't doses. There will be some who haven't yet doses. There will be some who haven't yet had doses. There will be some who haven't yet had a doses. There will be some who haven't yet had a first doses. There will be some who haven't yet had a first dose doses. There will be some who haven't yet had a first dose for doses. There will be some who haven't yet had a first dose for the haven't yet had a first dose for the same haven't yet had a first dose for the same reason, haven't yet had a first dose for the same reason, although haven't yet had a first dose for the same reason, although that haven't yet had a first dose for the same reason, although that seems haven't yet had a first dose for the same reason, although that seems to same reason, although that seems to be same reason, although that seems to be less same reason, although that seems to be less of same reason, although that seems to be less of a same reason, although that seems to be less of a factor same reason, although that seems to be less of a factor in same reason, although that seems to be less of a factor in the same reason, although that seems to be less of a factor in the first be less of a factor in the first doses. be less of a factor in the first doses. We be less of a factor in the first doses. We all be less of a factor in the first doses. We all have be less of a factor in the first doses. We all have a be less of a factor in the first doses. We all have a challenge be less of a factor in the first doses. We all have a challenge to doses. We all have a challenge to ensure doses. We all have a challenge to ensure that doses. We all have a challenge to ensure that we doses. We all have a challenge to ensure that we get doses. We all have a challenge to ensure that we get our doses. We all have a challenge to ensure that we get our first doses. We all have a challenge to ensure that we get our first dose ensure that we get our first dose rates ensure that we get our first dose rates up ensure that we get our first dose rates up amongst ensure that we get our first dose rates up amongst the ensure that we get our first dose rates up amongst the age ensure that we get our first dose rates up amongst the age cohort. rates up amongst the age cohort. Ultimately rates up amongst the age cohort. Ultimately it's rates up amongst the age cohort. Ultimately it's a rates up amongst the age cohort. Ultimately it's a parent's rates up amongst the age cohort. Ultimately it's a parent's decision. Ultimately it's a parent's decision. We Ultimately it's a parent's decision. We should Ultimately it's a parent's decision. We should all Ultimately it's a parent's decision. We should all be Ultimately it's a parent's decision. We should all be enforcing Ultimately it's a parent's decision. We should all be enforcing the We should all be enforcing the positive We should all be enforcing the positive messages We should all be enforcing the positive messages around We should all be enforcing the positive messages around the We should all be enforcing the positive messages around the value positive messages around the value of positive messages around the value of vaccination positive messages around the value of vaccination to positive messages around the value of vaccination to the positive messages around the value of vaccination to the parents positive messages around the value of vaccination to the parents so of vaccination to the parents so they of vaccination to the parents so they have of vaccination to the parents so they have confidence of vaccination to the parents so they have confidence in of vaccination to the parents so they have confidence in taking of vaccination to the parents so they have confidence in taking up they have confidence in taking up that they have confidence in taking up that option. that option. I that option. I will that option. I will come that option. I will come to that option. I will come to question that option. I will come to question 9 that option. I will come to question 9 in that option. I will come to question 9 in the I will come to question 9 in the name I will come to question 9 in the name of I will come to question 9 in the name of Marja I will come to question 9 in the name of Marja Lubeck. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Education: Minister of Education: What Minister of Education: What recent Minister of Education: What recent announcements Minister of Education: What recent announcements has What recent announcements has the What recent announcements has the Government What recent announcements has the Government made What recent announcements has the Government made about What recent announcements has the Government made about supporting the Government made about supporting regular the Government made about supporting regular attendance the Government made about supporting regular attendance and regular attendance and engagement regular attendance and engagement in regular attendance and engagement in education? The The Hon The Hon Jan The Hon Jan Tinetti. The Hon Jan Tinetti. The The Hon Jan Tinetti. The Hon The Hon Jan Tinetti. The Hon Chris The Hon Jan Tinetti. The Hon Chris Hipkins The Hon Jan Tinetti. The Hon Chris Hipkins on The Hon Jan Tinetti. The Hon Chris Hipkins on Monday The Hon Jan Tinetti. The Hon Chris Hipkins on Monday made The Hon Jan Tinetti. The Hon Chris Hipkins on Monday made a The Hon Jan Tinetti. The Hon Chris Hipkins on Monday made a prebudget Hipkins on Monday made a prebudget announcement Hipkins on Monday made a prebudget announcement of Hipkins on Monday made a prebudget announcement of $88 Hipkins on Monday made a prebudget announcement of $88 million Hipkins on Monday made a prebudget announcement of $88 million of announcement of $88 million of targeted announcement of $88 million of targeted programmes announcement of $88 million of targeted programmes to announcement of $88 million of targeted programmes to ensure announcement of $88 million of targeted programmes to ensure our targeted programmes to ensure our Tamariki targeted programmes to ensure our Tamariki are targeted programmes to ensure our Tamariki are in targeted programmes to ensure our Tamariki are in education. targeted programmes to ensure our Tamariki are in education. Over targeted programmes to ensure our Tamariki are in education. Over the Tamariki are in education. Over the past Tamariki are in education. Over the past two Tamariki are in education. Over the past two years Tamariki are in education. Over the past two years we've Tamariki are in education. Over the past two years we've invested Tamariki are in education. Over the past two years we've invested in past two years we've invested in evidence past two years we've invested in evidence based past two years we've invested in evidence based attendance evidence based attendance initiatives evidence based attendance initiatives that evidence based attendance initiatives that are evidence based attendance initiatives that are led evidence based attendance initiatives that are led by evidence based attendance initiatives that are led by schools initiatives that are led by schools and initiatives that are led by schools and communities initiatives that are led by schools and communities who initiatives that are led by schools and communities who know initiatives that are led by schools and communities who know their and communities who know their students and communities who know their students best. and communities who know their students best. This and communities who know their students best. This latest and communities who know their students best. This latest package students best. This latest package provides students best. This latest package provides further students best. This latest package provides further funding students best. This latest package provides further funding for students best. This latest package provides further funding for these provides further funding for these initiatives provides further funding for these initiatives which, provides further funding for these initiatives which, prior provides further funding for these initiatives which, prior to provides further funding for these initiatives which, prior to 2017, initiatives which, prior to 2017, had initiatives which, prior to 2017, had been initiatives which, prior to 2017, had been underinvested initiatives which, prior to 2017, had been underinvested in. had been underinvested in. Attendance had been underinvested in. Attendance rates had been underinvested in. Attendance rates need had been underinvested in. Attendance rates need to had been underinvested in. Attendance rates need to improve Attendance rates need to improve across Attendance rates need to improve across all Attendance rates need to improve across all ages Attendance rates need to improve across all ages and Attendance rates need to improve across all ages and regions. Attendance rates need to improve across all ages and regions. That Attendance rates need to improve across all ages and regions. That I across all ages and regions. That I have across all ages and regions. That I have been across all ages and regions. That I have been declining across all ages and regions. That I have been declining since across all ages and regions. That I have been declining since 2015 across all ages and regions. That I have been declining since 2015 and have been declining since 2015 and COVID-19 have been declining since 2015 and COVID-19 added have been declining since 2015 and COVID-19 added more have been declining since 2015 and COVID-19 added more challenges. COVID-19 added more challenges. Budget COVID-19 added more challenges. Budget 2022 COVID-19 added more challenges. Budget 2022 provides COVID-19 added more challenges. Budget 2022 provides system COVID-19 added more challenges. Budget 2022 provides system level Budget 2022 provides system level and Budget 2022 provides system level and targeted Budget 2022 provides system level and targeted investment Budget 2022 provides system level and targeted investment to Budget 2022 provides system level and targeted investment to make Budget 2022 provides system level and targeted investment to make the and targeted investment to make the education and targeted investment to make the education system and targeted investment to make the education system a and targeted investment to make the education system a place and targeted investment to make the education system a place where education system a place where learners education system a place where learners want education system a place where learners want to education system a place where learners want to be, education system a place where learners want to be, and education system a place where learners want to be, and where education system a place where learners want to be, and where they learners want to be, and where they can learners want to be, and where they can get learners want to be, and where they can get the learners want to be, and where they can get the targeted learners want to be, and where they can get the targeted support learners want to be, and where they can get the targeted support they can get the targeted support they need. can get the targeted support they need. That can get the targeted support they need. That ensures can get the targeted support they need. That ensures there can get the targeted support they need. That ensures there are can get the targeted support they need. That ensures there are routes need. That ensures there are routes back need. That ensures there are routes back into need. That ensures there are routes back into learning need. That ensures there are routes back into learning for need. That ensures there are routes back into learning for those back into learning for those learners back into learning for those learners who back into learning for those learners who are back into learning for those learners who are disengaged. learners who are disengaged. Supplementary. learners who are disengaged. Supplementary. What learners who are disengaged. Supplementary. What approach learners who are disengaged. Supplementary. What approach is learners who are disengaged. Supplementary. What approach is the Supplementary. What approach is the Government Supplementary. What approach is the Government taking Supplementary. What approach is the Government taking to Supplementary. What approach is the Government taking to support Government taking to support students Government taking to support students to Government taking to support students to attend Government taking to support students to attend school Government taking to support students to attend school regularly? students to attend school regularly? Mr students to attend school regularly? Mr Speaker, students to attend school regularly? Mr Speaker, when students to attend school regularly? Mr Speaker, when changes students to attend school regularly? Mr Speaker, when changes were students to attend school regularly? Mr Speaker, when changes were made Mr Speaker, when changes were made to Mr Speaker, when changes were made to the Mr Speaker, when changes were made to the attendance Mr Speaker, when changes were made to the attendance service Mr Speaker, when changes were made to the attendance service in Mr Speaker, when changes were made to the attendance service in 2018, to the attendance service in 2018, the to the attendance service in 2018, the work to the attendance service in 2018, the work of to the attendance service in 2018, the work of engaging to the attendance service in 2018, the work of engaging students to the attendance service in 2018, the work of engaging students in the work of engaging students in education the work of engaging students in education was the work of engaging students in education was taking the work of engaging students in education was taking away the work of engaging students in education was taking away from education was taking away from schools education was taking away from schools and education was taking away from schools and communities education was taking away from schools and communities who education was taking away from schools and communities who know schools and communities who know their schools and communities who know their students schools and communities who know their students best. schools and communities who know their students best. The schools and communities who know their students best. The Government their students best. The Government is their students best. The Government is redesigning their students best. The Government is redesigning the their students best. The Government is redesigning the attendance is redesigning the attendance service is redesigning the attendance service to is redesigning the attendance service to bring is redesigning the attendance service to bring that is redesigning the attendance service to bring that provision service to bring that provision closer service to bring that provision closer to service to bring that provision closer to schools. service to bring that provision closer to schools. That service to bring that provision closer to schools. That work service to bring that provision closer to schools. That work is closer to schools. That work is happening closer to schools. That work is happening now closer to schools. That work is happening now and closer to schools. That work is happening now and has closer to schools. That work is happening now and has been closer to schools. That work is happening now and has been rolled happening now and has been rolled out happening now and has been rolled out in happening now and has been rolled out in some happening now and has been rolled out in some regions. happening now and has been rolled out in some regions. We happening now and has been rolled out in some regions. We are happening now and has been rolled out in some regions. We are also out in some regions. We are also taking out in some regions. We are also taking a out in some regions. We are also taking a prevention out in some regions. We are also taking a prevention approach out in some regions. We are also taking a prevention approach to taking a prevention approach to students taking a prevention approach to students starting taking a prevention approach to students starting to taking a prevention approach to students starting to show taking a prevention approach to students starting to show signs taking a prevention approach to students starting to show signs of students starting to show signs of poor students starting to show signs of poor attendance. students starting to show signs of poor attendance. For students starting to show signs of poor attendance. For example, students starting to show signs of poor attendance. For example, the poor attendance. For example, the positive poor attendance. For example, the positive behaviour poor attendance. For example, the positive behaviour for poor attendance. For example, the positive behaviour for learning positive behaviour for learning suite positive behaviour for learning suite is positive behaviour for learning suite is a positive behaviour for learning suite is a proven positive behaviour for learning suite is a proven programme positive behaviour for learning suite is a proven programme which suite is a proven programme which has suite is a proven programme which has been suite is a proven programme which has been in suite is a proven programme which has been in place suite is a proven programme which has been in place since suite is a proven programme which has been in place since 2011, suite is a proven programme which has been in place since 2011, that has been in place since 2011, that fosters has been in place since 2011, that fosters safe has been in place since 2011, that fosters safe inclusive has been in place since 2011, that fosters safe inclusive environments, fosters safe inclusive environments, particularly fosters safe inclusive environments, particularly for fosters safe inclusive environments, particularly for akunga fosters safe inclusive environments, particularly for akunga and fosters safe inclusive environments, particularly for akunga and whanau particularly for akunga and whanau Maori. particularly for akunga and whanau Maori. The particularly for akunga and whanau Maori. The refreshed particularly for akunga and whanau Maori. The refreshed programme particularly for akunga and whanau Maori. The refreshed programme is Maori. The refreshed programme is based Maori. The refreshed programme is based on Maori. The refreshed programme is based on the Maori. The refreshed programme is based on the latest Maori. The refreshed programme is based on the latest research Maori. The refreshed programme is based on the latest research and based on the latest research and empowers based on the latest research and empowers schools based on the latest research and empowers schools with based on the latest research and empowers schools with practical empowers schools with practical solutions. empowers schools with practical solutions. I empowers schools with practical solutions. I think empowers schools with practical solutions. I think the empowers schools with practical solutions. I think the minister empowers schools with practical solutions. I think the minister has solutions. I think the minister has definitely solutions. I think the minister has definitely addressed solutions. I think the minister has definitely addressed the solutions. I think the minister has definitely addressed the question. definitely addressed the question. Supplementary, definitely addressed the question. Supplementary, Erica definitely addressed the question. Supplementary, Erica Stanford. definitely addressed the question. Supplementary, Erica Stanford. Can Supplementary, Erica Stanford. Can she Supplementary, Erica Stanford. Can she confirm Supplementary, Erica Stanford. Can she confirm that Supplementary, Erica Stanford. Can she confirm that 8,000 Supplementary, Erica Stanford. Can she confirm that 8,000 students Supplementary, Erica Stanford. Can she confirm that 8,000 students were she confirm that 8,000 students were not she confirm that 8,000 students were not en she confirm that 8,000 students were not en - she confirm that 8,000 students were not en - children she confirm that 8,000 students were not en - children were she confirm that 8,000 students were not en - children were not she confirm that 8,000 students were not en - children were not in she confirm that 8,000 students were not en - children were not in any not en - children were not in any school not en - children were not in any school in not en - children were not in any school in 2022, not en - children were not in any school in 2022, the not en - children were not in any school in 2022, the start, not en - children were not in any school in 2022, the start, twice not en - children were not in any school in 2022, the start, twice as school in 2022, the start, twice as many school in 2022, the start, twice as many than school in 2022, the start, twice as many than 2019 school in 2022, the start, twice as many than 2019 and school in 2022, the start, twice as many than 2019 and if school in 2022, the start, twice as many than 2019 and if so, school in 2022, the start, twice as many than 2019 and if so, why school in 2022, the start, twice as many than 2019 and if so, why has many than 2019 and if so, why has she many than 2019 and if so, why has she taken many than 2019 and if so, why has she taken so many than 2019 and if so, why has she taken so long many than 2019 and if so, why has she taken so long to many than 2019 and if so, why has she taken so long to do many than 2019 and if so, why has she taken so long to do anything, she taken so long to do anything, when she taken so long to do anything, when we she taken so long to do anything, when we face she taken so long to do anything, when we face a she taken so long to do anything, when we face a truancy she taken so long to do anything, when we face a truancy crisis she taken so long to do anything, when we face a truancy crisis that when we face a truancy crisis that exploded when we face a truancy crisis that exploded under when we face a truancy crisis that exploded under this when we face a truancy crisis that exploded under this Government? when we face a truancy crisis that exploded under this Government? 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That from schools, we saw attendance falling dramatically. That is from schools, we saw attendance falling dramatically. That is not falling dramatically. That is not the falling dramatically. That is not the approach falling dramatically. That is not the approach that falling dramatically. That is not the approach that this falling dramatically. That is not the approach that this government the approach that this government will the approach that this government will take. the approach that this government will take. <INTERRUPTION> will take. <INTERRUPTION> Order! will take. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Marja will take. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Marja Lubeck. will take. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Marja Lubeck. Thank will take. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Marja Lubeck. Thank you, will take. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Marja Lubeck. Thank you, Mr Order! Marja Lubeck. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Order! Marja Lubeck. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What Order! Marja Lubeck. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What does Order! Marja Lubeck. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What does this Order! Marja Lubeck. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What does this funding Order! Marja Lubeck. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What does this funding mean Speaker. What does this funding mean for Speaker. What does this funding mean for schools, Speaker. What does this funding mean for schools, students Speaker. What does this funding mean for schools, students and Speaker. What does this funding mean for schools, students and families? for schools, students and families? Mr for schools, students and families? Mr Speaker, for schools, students and families? Mr Speaker, this for schools, students and families? Mr Speaker, this funding for schools, students and families? Mr Speaker, this funding is for schools, students and families? 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The students with learning support students with learning support needs, students with learning support needs, we students with learning support needs, we will students with learning support needs, we will have students with learning support needs, we will have increased needs, we will have increased resourcing needs, we will have increased resourcing with needs, we will have increased resourcing with the needs, we will have increased resourcing with the incredible needs, we will have increased resourcing with the incredible years resourcing with the incredible years programme, resourcing with the incredible years programme, to resourcing with the incredible years programme, to support resourcing with the incredible years programme, to support care resourcing with the incredible years programme, to support care givers, programme, to support care givers, whanau programme, to support care givers, whanau in programme, to support care givers, whanau in school programme, to support care givers, whanau in school and programme, to support care givers, whanau in school and early programme, to support care givers, whanau in school and early childhood whanau in school and early childhood education whanau in school and early childhood education to whanau in school and early childhood education to improve whanau in school and early childhood education to improve communication education to improve communication schools education to improve communication schools and education to improve communication schools and emotional education to improve communication schools and emotional regulation. schools and emotional regulation. Targeted schools and emotional regulation. Targeted funding schools and emotional regulation. Targeted funding is schools and emotional regulation. Targeted funding is carved schools and emotional regulation. Targeted funding is carved out schools and emotional regulation. Targeted funding is carved out for Targeted funding is carved out for our Targeted funding is carved out for our Maori, Targeted funding is carved out for our Maori, Arkunga Targeted funding is carved out for our Maori, Arkunga and Targeted funding is carved out for our Maori, Arkunga and Pacific our Maori, Arkunga and Pacific students our Maori, Arkunga and Pacific students at our Maori, Arkunga and Pacific students at risk our Maori, Arkunga and Pacific students at risk of our Maori, Arkunga and Pacific students at risk of disengaging our Maori, Arkunga and Pacific students at risk of disengaging and students at risk of disengaging and school students at risk of disengaging and school also students at risk of disengaging and school also be students at risk of disengaging and school also be better students at risk of disengaging and school also be better supported students at risk of disengaging and school also be better supported to school also be better supported to identify school also be better supported to identify and school also be better supported to identify and support school also be better supported to identify and support students school also be better supported to identify and support students to identify and support students to engage identify and support students to engage in identify and support students to engage in learning. engage in learning. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: Education: What, Education: What, if Education: What, if any, Education: What, if any, is Education: What, if any, is the Education: What, if any, is the net Education: What, if any, is the net financial What, if any, is the net financial deficit What, if any, is the net financial deficit of What, if any, is the net financial deficit of Te What, if any, is the net financial deficit of Te Pukenga What, if any, is the net financial deficit of Te Pukenga forecast deficit of Te Pukenga forecast for deficit of Te Pukenga forecast for 2022, deficit of Te Pukenga forecast for 2022, and deficit of Te Pukenga forecast for 2022, and how deficit of Te Pukenga forecast for 2022, and how much deficit of Te Pukenga forecast for 2022, and how much more deficit of Te Pukenga forecast for 2022, and how much more or deficit of Te Pukenga forecast for 2022, and how much more or less for 2022, and how much more or less is for 2022, and how much more or less is it for 2022, and how much more or less is it than for 2022, and how much more or less is it than the for 2022, and how much more or less is it than the actual for 2022, and how much more or less is it than the actual Institutes is it than the actual Institutes of is it than the actual Institutes of Technology is it than the actual Institutes of Technology and is it than the actual Institutes of Technology and Polytechnics of Technology and Polytechnics sector of Technology and Polytechnics sector deficit of Technology and Polytechnics sector deficit in of Technology and Polytechnics sector deficit in 2019 of Technology and Polytechnics sector deficit in 2019 prior sector deficit in 2019 prior to sector deficit in 2019 prior to the sector deficit in 2019 prior to the establishment sector deficit in 2019 prior to the establishment of sector deficit in 2019 prior to the establishment of Te sector deficit in 2019 prior to the establishment of Te Pukenga? The The Hon The Hon Chris The Hon Chris Hipkins. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, before The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, before we The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, before we commence The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, before we commence the The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, before we commence the reforms The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, before we commence the reforms of before we commence the reforms of vocational before we commence the reforms of vocational education before we commence the reforms of vocational education that before we commence the reforms of vocational education that brought vocational education that brought the vocational education that brought the 16 vocational education that brought the 16 existing vocational education that brought the 16 existing polytechs vocational education that brought the 16 existing polytechs and the 16 existing polytechs and institutes the 16 existing polytechs and institutes of the 16 existing polytechs and institutes of technology the 16 existing polytechs and institutes of technology together institutes of technology together under institutes of technology together under the institutes of technology together under the Te institutes of technology together under the Te Pukenga institutes of technology together under the Te Pukenga umbrella institutes of technology together under the Te Pukenga umbrella a under the Te Pukenga umbrella a range under the Te Pukenga umbrella a range of under the Te Pukenga umbrella a range of deficits under the Te Pukenga umbrella a range of deficits technically under the Te Pukenga umbrella a range of deficits technically for range of deficits technically for the range of deficits technically for the sector range of deficits technically for the sector without range of deficits technically for the sector without reform range of deficits technically for the sector without reform was the sector without reform was projected. the sector without reform was projected. The the sector without reform was projected. The highest the sector without reform was projected. The highest was the sector without reform was projected. The highest was $1156 projected. The highest was $1156 million projected. The highest was $1156 million in projected. The highest was $1156 million in 20226789 projected. The highest was $1156 million in 20226789 I'm projected. The highest was $1156 million in 20226789 I'm advised projected. The highest was $1156 million in 20226789 I'm advised that million in 20226789 I'm advised that Te million in 20226789 I'm advised that Te Pukenga million in 20226789 I'm advised that Te Pukenga Group million in 20226789 I'm advised that Te Pukenga Group is million in 20226789 I'm advised that Te Pukenga Group is currently Te Pukenga Group is currently forecasting Te Pukenga Group is currently forecasting a Te Pukenga Group is currently forecasting a deficit Te Pukenga Group is currently forecasting a deficit of Te Pukenga Group is currently forecasting a deficit of $110 forecasting a deficit of $110 million forecasting a deficit of $110 million for forecasting a deficit of $110 million for 202 forecasting a deficit of $110 million for 202 consistent forecasting a deficit of $110 million for 202 consistent with forecasting a deficit of $110 million for 202 consistent with the million for 202 consistent with the mid-range million for 202 consistent with the mid-range of million for 202 consistent with the mid-range of those million for 202 consistent with the mid-range of those earlier million for 202 consistent with the mid-range of those earlier are mid-range of those earlier are projections. mid-range of those earlier are projections. Forecasts mid-range of those earlier are projections. Forecasts must mid-range of those earlier are projections. Forecasts must be projections. Forecasts must be treated projections. Forecasts must be treated with projections. Forecasts must be treated with caution. projections. Forecasts must be treated with caution. In projections. Forecasts must be treated with caution. In 2021, projections. Forecasts must be treated with caution. In 2021, last treated with caution. In 2021, last year, treated with caution. In 2021, last year, Te treated with caution. In 2021, last year, Te Pukenga treated with caution. In 2021, last year, Te Pukenga forecast treated with caution. In 2021, last year, Te Pukenga forecast a treated with caution. In 2021, last year, Te Pukenga forecast a deficit year, Te Pukenga forecast a deficit of year, Te Pukenga forecast a deficit of $46 year, Te Pukenga forecast a deficit of $46 million year, Te Pukenga forecast a deficit of $46 million but year, Te Pukenga forecast a deficit of $46 million but delivered year, Te Pukenga forecast a deficit of $46 million but delivered a year, Te Pukenga forecast a deficit of $46 million but delivered a small of $46 million but delivered a small surplus. of $46 million but delivered a small surplus. In of $46 million but delivered a small surplus. In 2019, of $46 million but delivered a small surplus. In 2019, the of $46 million but delivered a small surplus. In 2019, the sector surplus. In 2019, the sector produced surplus. In 2019, the sector produced a surplus. In 2019, the sector produced a deficit surplus. In 2019, the sector produced a deficit of surplus. In 2019, the sector produced a deficit of $49 surplus. In 2019, the sector produced a deficit of $49 million. produced a deficit of $49 million. Supplementary. produced a deficit of $49 million. Supplementary. Does produced a deficit of $49 million. Supplementary. Does he produced a deficit of $49 million. Supplementary. Does he O'Connor Supplementary. Does he O'Connor sidder Supplementary. Does he O'Connor sidder a Supplementary. Does he O'Connor sidder a deficit Supplementary. Does he O'Connor sidder a deficit of Supplementary. Does he O'Connor sidder a deficit of $110 Supplementary. Does he O'Connor sidder a deficit of $110 million, sidder a deficit of $110 million, approximately sidder a deficit of $110 million, approximately $60 sidder a deficit of $110 million, approximately $60 million sidder a deficit of $110 million, approximately $60 million more sidder a deficit of $110 million, approximately $60 million more than approximately $60 million more than prior approximately $60 million more than prior to approximately $60 million more than prior to his approximately $60 million more than prior to his mega approximately $60 million more than prior to his mega merger approximately $60 million more than prior to his mega merger when approximately $60 million more than prior to his mega merger when the prior to his mega merger when the deficit prior to his mega merger when the deficit was prior to his mega merger when the deficit was $48 prior to his mega merger when the deficit was $48 million, prior to his mega merger when the deficit was $48 million, means prior to his mega merger when the deficit was $48 million, means the deficit was $48 million, means the sector deficit was $48 million, means the sector is deficit was $48 million, means the sector is better deficit was $48 million, means the sector is better or deficit was $48 million, means the sector is better or worse sector is better or worse financially? sector is better or worse financially? 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So, we do have to give them time and support to make sure them time and support to make sure that them time and support to make sure that they them time and support to make sure that they are them time and support to make sure that they are getting them time and support to make sure that they are getting to them time and support to make sure that they are getting to the them time and support to make sure that they are getting to the bottom that they are getting to the bottom of that they are getting to the bottom of the that they are getting to the bottom of the structural that they are getting to the bottom of the structural problemings that they are getting to the bottom of the structural problemings they of the structural problemings they inherited of the structural problemings they inherited from of the structural problemings they inherited from the of the structural problemings they inherited from the 16 of the structural problemings they inherited from the 16 component inherited from the 16 component organisations inherited from the 16 component organisations that inherited from the 16 component organisations that make inherited from the 16 component organisations that make up inherited from the 16 component organisations that make up Te organisations that make up Te Pukenga, organisations that make up Te Pukenga, to organisations that make up Te Pukenga, to make organisations that make up Te Pukenga, to make sure organisations that make up Te Pukenga, to make sure we organisations that make up Te Pukenga, to make sure we get organisations that make up Te Pukenga, to make sure we get the Pukenga, to make sure we get the sector Pukenga, to make sure we get the sector back Pukenga, to make sure we get the sector back into Pukenga, to make sure we get the sector back into a Pukenga, to make sure we get the sector back into a viable Pukenga, to make sure we get the sector back into a viable state. Pukenga, to make sure we get the sector back into a viable state. I sector back into a viable state. I would sector back into a viable state. I would note sector back into a viable state. I would note that sector back into a viable state. I would note that they sector back into a viable state. I would note that they continue sector back into a viable state. I would note that they continue to would note that they continue to deliver would note that they continue to deliver educational would note that they continue to deliver educational outcomes would note that they continue to deliver educational outcomes for deliver educational outcomes for learners deliver educational outcomes for learners whilst deliver educational outcomes for learners whilst undertaking deliver educational outcomes for learners whilst undertaking this learners whilst undertaking this reform learners whilst undertaking this reform programme. learners whilst undertaking this reform programme. 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Does <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. Does the <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. Does the minister Supplementary. Does the minister think Supplementary. Does the minister think the Supplementary. Does the minister think the public Supplementary. Does the minister think the public of Supplementary. Does the minister think the public of New Supplementary. Does the minister think the public of New Zealand Supplementary. Does the minister think the public of New Zealand will think the public of New Zealand will consider think the public of New Zealand will consider the think the public of New Zealand will consider the $120 think the public of New Zealand will consider the $120 million think the public of New Zealand will consider the $120 million of consider the $120 million of taxpayer consider the $120 million of taxpayer money consider the $120 million of taxpayer money spent consider the $120 million of taxpayer money spent on consider the $120 million of taxpayer money spent on merging taxpayer money spent on merging polytechnics taxpayer money spent on merging polytechnics into taxpayer money spent on merging polytechnics into Te taxpayer money spent on merging polytechnics into Te Pukenga, taxpayer money spent on merging polytechnics into Te Pukenga, has polytechnics into Te Pukenga, has been polytechnics into Te Pukenga, has been well polytechnics into Te Pukenga, has been well spent polytechnics into Te Pukenga, has been well spent when polytechnics into Te Pukenga, has been well spent when Te polytechnics into Te Pukenga, has been well spent when Te Pukenga polytechnics into Te Pukenga, has been well spent when Te Pukenga has been well spent when Te Pukenga has made been well spent when Te Pukenga has made the been well spent when Te Pukenga has made the ITP been well spent when Te Pukenga has made the ITP sector been well spent when Te Pukenga has made the ITP sector less been well spent when Te Pukenga has made the ITP sector less financially made the ITP sector less financially viable? made the ITP sector less financially viable? Mr made the ITP sector less financially viable? Mr Speaker, made the ITP sector less financially viable? Mr Speaker, I made the ITP sector less financially viable? Mr Speaker, I absolutely viable? Mr Speaker, I absolutely reject viable? Mr Speaker, I absolutely reject the viable? Mr Speaker, I absolutely reject the premise viable? Mr Speaker, I absolutely reject the premise of viable? Mr Speaker, I absolutely reject the premise of the viable? Mr Speaker, I absolutely reject the premise of the member's reject the premise of the member's question. reject the premise of the member's question. If reject the premise of the member's question. If she reject the premise of the member's question. If she listened reject the premise of the member's question. If she listened to reject the premise of the member's question. If she listened to my question. If she listened to my primary question. If she listened to my primary answer, question. If she listened to my primary answer, she question. If she listened to my primary answer, she would question. If she listened to my primary answer, she would know question. If she listened to my primary answer, she would know the primary answer, she would know the assertion primary answer, she would know the assertion in primary answer, she would know the assertion in her primary answer, she would know the assertion in her question primary answer, she would know the assertion in her question is primary answer, she would know the assertion in her question is wrong. assertion in her question is wrong. In assertion in her question is wrong. In fact, assertion in her question is wrong. In fact, the assertion in her question is wrong. In fact, the deficits assertion in her question is wrong. In fact, the deficits were assertion in her question is wrong. 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Does the minister recall the number of times he went to Robertson. Does the minister recall the number of times he went to the the number of times he went to the Minister the number of times he went to the Minister of the number of times he went to the Minister of Finance the number of times he went to the Minister of Finance when the number of times he went to the Minister of Finance when he the number of times he went to the Minister of Finance when he first Minister of Finance when he first became Minister of Finance when he first became the Minister of Finance when he first became the minister Minister of Finance when he first became the minister responsible Minister of Finance when he first became the minister responsible for became the minister responsible for the became the minister responsible for the IPC became the minister responsible for the IPC sector became the minister responsible for the IPC sector to became the minister responsible for the IPC sector to have became the minister responsible for the IPC sector to have to became the minister responsible for the IPC sector to have to bail became the minister responsible for the IPC sector to have to bail out the IPC sector to have to bail out polytechnics the IPC sector to have to bail out polytechnics because the IPC sector to have to bail out polytechnics because they the IPC sector to have to bail out polytechnics because they were the IPC sector to have to bail out polytechnics because they were going polytechnics because they were going under? polytechnics because they were going under? Yes, polytechnics because they were going under? Yes, in polytechnics because they were going under? Yes, in fact, polytechnics because they were going under? Yes, in fact, I, polytechnics because they were going under? Yes, in fact, I, do polytechnics because they were going under? Yes, in fact, I, do Mr under? Yes, in fact, I, do Mr Speaker. under? Yes, in fact, I, do Mr Speaker. Over under? Yes, in fact, I, do Mr Speaker. Over $90 under? Yes, in fact, I, do Mr Speaker. Over $90 million under? Yes, in fact, I, do Mr Speaker. Over $90 million had under? Yes, in fact, I, do Mr Speaker. Over $90 million had to under? Yes, in fact, I, do Mr Speaker. Over $90 million had to be Speaker. Over $90 million had to be put Speaker. Over $90 million had to be put into Speaker. Over $90 million had to be put into the Speaker. Over $90 million had to be put into the existing Speaker. Over $90 million had to be put into the existing institutes Speaker. Over $90 million had to be put into the existing institutes of put into the existing institutes of technology put into the existing institutes of technology and put into the existing institutes of technology and polytechs put into the existing institutes of technology and polytechs within put into the existing institutes of technology and polytechs within the technology and polytechs within the first technology and polytechs within the first couple technology and polytechs within the first couple of technology and polytechs within the first couple of years technology and polytechs within the first couple of years we technology and polytechs within the first couple of years we were technology and polytechs within the first couple of years we were in first couple of years we were in government first couple of years we were in government to first couple of years we were in government to keep first couple of years we were in government to keep the first couple of years we were in government to keep the lights first couple of years we were in government to keep the lights on. government to keep the lights on. The government to keep the lights on. The forecasts government to keep the lights on. The forecasts were government to keep the lights on. The forecasts were indicating government to keep the lights on. The forecasts were indicating that The forecasts were indicating that would The forecasts were indicating that would run The forecasts were indicating that would run into The forecasts were indicating that would run into the The forecasts were indicating that would run into the hundreds The forecasts were indicating that would run into the hundreds of would run into the hundreds of millions would run into the hundreds of millions of would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars, would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars, if would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars, if reform would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars, if reform was millions of dollars, if reform was not millions of dollars, if reform was not undertaken. millions of dollars, if reform was not undertaken. <INTERRUPTION> not undertaken. <INTERRUPTION> Question not undertaken. <INTERRUPTION> Question number not undertaken. <INTERRUPTION> Question number 11, not undertaken. <INTERRUPTION> Question number 11, in not undertaken. <INTERRUPTION> Question number 11, in the not undertaken. <INTERRUPTION> Question number 11, in the name not undertaken. <INTERRUPTION> Question number 11, in the name Greg Question number 11, in the name Greg O'Connor. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: Transport: What Transport: What recent Transport: What recent announcements Transport: What recent announcements has What recent announcements has he What recent announcements has he made What recent announcements has he made about What recent announcements has he made about supporting What recent announcements has he made about supporting greater he made about supporting greater access he made about supporting greater access to he made about supporting greater access to driver he made about supporting greater access to driver licensing access to driver licensing testing access to driver licensing testing and access to driver licensing testing and training? The The Hon The Hon Michael The Hon Michael Wood. The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday, The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday, I The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday, I join The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday, I join mid-colleague, The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday, I join mid-colleague, the The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday, I join mid-colleague, the Minister The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday, I join mid-colleague, the Minister for join mid-colleague, the Minister for Social join mid-colleague, the Minister for Social Development, join mid-colleague, the Minister for Social Development, the join mid-colleague, the Minister for Social Development, the Hon join mid-colleague, the Minister for Social Development, the Hon Carmel Social Development, the Hon Carmel Sepuloni, Social Development, the Hon Carmel Sepuloni, to Social Development, the Hon Carmel Sepuloni, to announce Social Development, the Hon Carmel Sepuloni, to announce support Social Development, the Hon Carmel Sepuloni, to announce support for Sepuloni, to announce support for 64,000 Sepuloni, to announce support for 64,000 New Sepuloni, to announce support for 64,000 New Zealanders Sepuloni, to announce support for 64,000 New Zealanders accessing 64,000 New Zealanders accessing driver 64,000 New Zealanders accessing driver licence 64,000 New Zealanders accessing driver licence testing 64,000 New Zealanders accessing driver licence testing and 64,000 New Zealanders accessing driver licence testing and training. driver licence testing and training. Having driver licence testing and training. Having a driver licence testing and training. Having a driver driver licence testing and training. Having a driver licence driver licence testing and training. Having a driver licence is driver licence testing and training. Having a driver licence is a driver licence testing and training. Having a driver licence is a key Having a driver licence is a key requirement Having a driver licence is a key requirement for Having a driver licence is a key requirement for up Having a driver licence is a key requirement for up to Having a driver licence is a key requirement for up to 70% Having a driver licence is a key requirement for up to 70% of Having a driver licence is a key requirement for up to 70% of jobs requirement for up to 70% of jobs yet requirement for up to 70% of jobs yet a requirement for up to 70% of jobs yet a big requirement for up to 70% of jobs yet a big portion requirement for up to 70% of jobs yet a big portion of requirement for up to 70% of jobs yet a big portion of our requirement for up to 70% of jobs yet a big portion of our community yet a big portion of our community can't yet a big portion of our community can't access yet a big portion of our community can't access tests yet a big portion of our community can't access tests due yet a big portion of our community can't access tests due to yet a big portion of our community can't access tests due to costs yet a big portion of our community can't access tests due to costs or can't access tests due to costs or barriers can't access tests due to costs or barriers like can't access tests due to costs or barriers like location. can't access tests due to costs or barriers like location. Evidence barriers like location. Evidence shows barriers like location. Evidence shows getting barriers like location. Evidence shows getting a barriers like location. Evidence shows getting a drivers barriers like location. Evidence shows getting a drivers licence barriers like location. Evidence shows getting a drivers licence is shows getting a drivers licence is an shows getting a drivers licence is an important shows getting a drivers licence is an important step shows getting a drivers licence is an important step in shows getting a drivers licence is an important step in obtaining an important step in obtaining employment, an important step in obtaining employment, staying an important step in obtaining employment, staying out an important step in obtaining employment, staying out of an important step in obtaining employment, staying out of the employment, staying out of the justice employment, staying out of the justice system employment, staying out of the justice system and employment, staying out of the justice system and safe employment, staying out of the justice system and safe on employment, staying out of the justice system and safe on our justice system and safe on our roads. justice system and safe on our roads. This justice system and safe on our roads. This 86.5 justice system and safe on our roads. This 86.5 million justice system and safe on our roads. This 86.5 million dollar roads. This 86.5 million dollar investment roads. This 86.5 million dollar investment from roads. This 86.5 million dollar investment from Budget roads. This 86.5 million dollar investment from Budget 22 roads. This 86.5 million dollar investment from Budget 22 will roads. This 86.5 million dollar investment from Budget 22 will have investment from Budget 22 will have tangible investment from Budget 22 will have tangible results investment from Budget 22 will have tangible results for investment from Budget 22 will have tangible results for people tangible results for people progressing tangible results for people progressing through tangible results for people progressing through the tangible results for people progressing through the driver progressing through the driver licensing progressing through the driver licensing system progressing through the driver licensing system and progressing through the driver licensing system and broader progressing through the driver licensing system and broader social licensing system and broader social and licensing system and broader social and economic licensing system and broader social and economic benefits licensing system and broader social and economic benefits for licensing system and broader social and economic benefits for Aotearoa and economic benefits for Aotearoa New and economic benefits for Aotearoa New Zealand. and economic benefits for Aotearoa New Zealand. <INTERRUPTION> New Zealand. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. New Zealand. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. How New Zealand. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. How does New Zealand. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. How does the New Zealand. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. How does the scheme Supplementary. How does the scheme make Supplementary. How does the scheme make it Supplementary. How does the scheme make it easier Supplementary. How does the scheme make it easier for Supplementary. How does the scheme make it easier for people Supplementary. How does the scheme make it easier for people to Supplementary. How does the scheme make it easier for people to get make it easier for people to get drivers make it easier for people to get drivers licences? make it easier for people to get drivers licences? Mr make it easier for people to get drivers licences? Mr Speaker, make it easier for people to get drivers licences? Mr Speaker, this drivers licences? Mr Speaker, this investment drivers licences? Mr Speaker, this investment will drivers licences? Mr Speaker, this investment will provide drivers licences? Mr Speaker, this investment will provide targeted investment will provide targeted support investment will provide targeted support for investment will provide targeted support for people investment will provide targeted support for people to investment will provide targeted support for people to progress support for people to progress through support for people to progress through the support for people to progress through the drivers support for people to progress through the drivers licensing through the drivers licensing system, through the drivers licensing system, by through the drivers licensing system, by providing through the drivers licensing system, by providing access through the drivers licensing system, by providing access to through the drivers licensing system, by providing access to high system, by providing access to high quality system, by providing access to high quality lessons system, by providing access to high quality lessons to system, by providing access to high quality lessons to ensure system, by providing access to high quality lessons to ensure that quality lessons to ensure that drivers quality lessons to ensure that drivers are quality lessons to ensure that drivers are ready quality lessons to ensure that drivers are ready for quality lessons to ensure that drivers are ready for the quality lessons to ensure that drivers are ready for the road. quality lessons to ensure that drivers are ready for the road. We drivers are ready for the road. We improve drivers are ready for the road. We improve access drivers are ready for the road. We improve access to drivers are ready for the road. We improve access to testing drivers are ready for the road. We improve access to testing through improve access to testing through initiatives improve access to testing through initiatives like improve access to testing through initiatives like partnering improve access to testing through initiatives like partnering with initiatives like partnering with communities initiatives like partnering with communities and initiatives like partnering with communities and increasing initiatives like partnering with communities and increasing driver communities and increasing driver testing communities and increasing driver testing officers' communities and increasing driver testing officers' capabilities communities and increasing driver testing officers' capabilities and testing officers' capabilities and capacity testing officers' capabilities and capacity to testing officers' capabilities and capacity to meet testing officers' capabilities and capacity to meet the testing officers' capabilities and capacity to meet the community capacity to meet the community needs. capacity to meet the community needs. Wakakotahi capacity to meet the community needs. Wakakotahi will capacity to meet the community needs. Wakakotahi will provide needs. Wakakotahi will provide mobile needs. Wakakotahi will provide mobile testing needs. Wakakotahi will provide mobile testing for needs. Wakakotahi will provide mobile testing for learner needs. Wakakotahi will provide mobile testing for learner theory mobile testing for learner theory tests mobile testing for learner theory tests so mobile testing for learner theory tests so community mobile testing for learner theory tests so community members mobile testing for learner theory tests so community members can tests so community members can access tests so community members can access testing tests so community members can access testing in tests so community members can access testing in locations, tests so community members can access testing in locations, such tests so community members can access testing in locations, such as access testing in locations, such as community access testing in locations, such as community centres, access testing in locations, such as community centres, marai access testing in locations, such as community centres, marai and community centres, marai and schools, community centres, marai and schools, in Further Further supplementary. Further supplementary. What, Further supplementary. What, if Further supplementary. What, if any, Further supplementary. What, if any, are Further supplementary. What, if any, are the Further supplementary. What, if any, are the flow-on Further supplementary. What, if any, are the flow-on benefits Further supplementary. What, if any, are the flow-on benefits of Further supplementary. What, if any, are the flow-on benefits of ensuring are the flow-on benefits of ensuring people are the flow-on benefits of ensuring people have are the flow-on benefits of ensuring people have access are the flow-on benefits of ensuring people have access to are the flow-on benefits of ensuring people have access to drivers people have access to drivers licences? people have access to drivers licences? Well, people have access to drivers licences? Well, Mr people have access to drivers licences? Well, Mr Speaker, people have access to drivers licences? Well, Mr Speaker, there licences? Well, Mr Speaker, there are licences? Well, Mr Speaker, there are many. licences? Well, Mr Speaker, there are many. Drivers licences? Well, Mr Speaker, there are many. Drivers who licences? Well, Mr Speaker, there are many. Drivers who remain licences? Well, Mr Speaker, there are many. Drivers who remain within are many. Drivers who remain within the are many. Drivers who remain within the licensing are many. Drivers who remain within the licensing system are many. Drivers who remain within the licensing system and are many. Drivers who remain within the licensing system and progress are many. 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It stands to reason, therefore, that outcomes. It stands to reason, therefore, that greater outcomes. It stands to reason, therefore, that greater access outcomes. It stands to reason, therefore, that greater access and therefore, that greater access and support therefore, that greater access and support for therefore, that greater access and support for individuals therefore, that greater access and support for individuals learning therefore, that greater access and support for individuals learning to support for individuals learning to drive support for individuals learning to drive will support for individuals learning to drive will result support for individuals learning to drive will result in support for individuals learning to drive will result in lower support for individuals learning to drive will result in lower rates support for individuals learning to drive will result in lower rates of drive will result in lower rates of serious drive will result in lower rates of serious injuries drive will result in lower rates of serious injuries and drive will result in lower rates of serious injuries and deaths drive will result in lower rates of serious injuries and deaths on drive will result in lower rates of serious injuries and deaths on our serious injuries and deaths on our roads, serious injuries and deaths on our roads, a serious injuries and deaths on our roads, a key serious injuries and deaths on our roads, a key focus serious injuries and deaths on our roads, a key focus of serious injuries and deaths on our roads, a key focus of our roads, a key focus of our Government's roads, a key focus of our Government's Road roads, a key focus of our Government's Road To roads, a key focus of our Government's Road To Zero roads, a key focus of our Government's Road To Zero Programme. Government's Road To Zero Programme. Removing Government's Road To Zero Programme. Removing the Government's Road To Zero Programme. Removing the barriers Government's Road To Zero Programme. 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