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The The Rt The Rt Hon The Rt Hon PM, The Rt Hon PM, participating The Rt Hon PM, participating remotely. The Rt Hon PM, participating remotely. Mr The Rt Hon PM, participating remotely. Mr Speaker The Rt Hon PM, participating remotely. Mr Speaker - The Rt Hon PM, participating remotely. Mr Speaker - yes. The Rt Hon PM, participating remotely. Mr Speaker - yes. And remotely. Mr Speaker - yes. And particularly remotely. Mr Speaker - yes. And particularly this remotely. Mr Speaker - yes. And particularly this Government's remotely. Mr Speaker - yes. And particularly this Government's swift particularly this Government's swift action particularly this Government's swift action to particularly this Government's swift action to particularly this Government's swift particularly this Government's swift action to particularly this Government's swift action to secure particularly this Government's swift action to particularly this Government's swift action to secure our particularly this Government's swift action to particularly this Government's swift action to secure our economic particularly this Government's swift action to action to secure our economic recovery particularly this Government's swift action to action to secure our economic recovery in particularly this Government's swift action to action to secure our economic recovery in response particularly this Government's swift action to action to secure our economic recovery in response to particularly this Government's swift action to action to secure our economic recovery in response to the particularly this Government's swift action to action to secure our economic recovery in response to the COVID-19 particularly this Government's swift action to recovery in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. 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So increases in the minimum wage. So you've increases in the minimum wage. So you've already increases in the minimum wage. So you've already seen increases in the minimum wage. So you've already seen us increases in the minimum wage. So you've already seen us be increases in the minimum wage. So you've already seen us be very you've already seen us be very proactive you've already seen us be very proactive in you've already seen us be very proactive in this you've already seen us be very proactive in this area. you've already seen us be very proactive in this area. David proactive in this area. David Seymour. proactive in this area. David Seymour. Does proactive in this area. David Seymour. Does the proactive in this area. David Seymour. Does the PM proactive in this area. David Seymour. Does the PM stand proactive in this area. David Seymour. Does the PM stand by proactive in this area. David Seymour. Does the PM stand by her Seymour. Does the PM stand by her Government's Seymour. Does the PM stand by her Government's action Seymour. Does the PM stand by her Government's action of Seymour. Does the PM stand by her Government's action of requiring Government's action of requiring household Government's action of requiring household contacts Government's action of requiring household contacts of Government's action of requiring household contacts of COVID Government's action of requiring household contacts of COVID cases Government's action of requiring household contacts of COVID cases to household contacts of COVID cases to isolate household contacts of COVID cases to isolate for household contacts of COVID cases to isolate for seven household contacts of COVID cases to isolate for seven days, household contacts of COVID cases to isolate for seven days, even household contacts of COVID cases to isolate for seven days, even if household contacts of COVID cases to isolate for seven days, even if they isolate for seven days, even if they themselves isolate for seven days, even if they isolate isolate for seven days, even if they themselves test negative isolate for seven days, even if they themselves test negative for isolate for seven days, even if they themselves test negative for every themselves test negative for every one themselves test negative for every one of themselves test negative for every one of those themselves test negative for every one of those days? themselves test negative for every one of those days? And themselves test negative for every one of those days? And does themselves test negative for every one of those days? And does she one of those days? And does she accept one of those days? And does she accept that one of those days? And does she accept that might one of those days? And does she accept that might have one of those days? And does she accept that might have an one of those days? And does she accept that might have an impact one of those days? And does she accept that might have an impact by accept that might have an impact by accept accept that might have an impact by disrupting supply chains accept that might have an impact by disrupting supply chains and accept that might have an impact by disrupting supply chains and putting disrupting supply chains and putting more disrupting supply chains and putting more pressure disrupting supply chains and putting more pressure on disrupting supply chains and putting more pressure on the disrupting supply chains and putting more pressure on the cost-of-living more pressure on the cost-of-living crisis? more pressure on the cost-of-living crisis? Where more pressure on the cost-of-living crisis? Where there more pressure on the cost-of-living crisis? Where there is more pressure on the cost-of-living crisis? Where there is an more pressure on the cost-of-living crisis? Where there is an impact more pressure on the cost-of-living crisis? Where there is an impact on crisis? Where there is an impact on critical crisis? Where there is an impact on critical services, crisis? Where there is an impact on critical services, obviously crisis? 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The reason that we have the requirement reason that we have the requirement over reason that we have the requirement over isolation reason that we have the requirement over isolation for reason that we have the requirement over isolation for household over isolation for household contacts over isolation for household contacts is over isolation for household contacts is just over isolation for household contacts is just the over isolation for household contacts is just the prevalence over isolation for household contacts is just the prevalence and contacts is just the prevalence and the contacts is just the prevalence and the high contacts is just the prevalence and the high level contacts is just the prevalence and the high level of contacts is just the prevalence and the high level of incidence contacts is just the prevalence and the high level of incidence where the high level of incidence where those the high level of incidence where those contacts the high level of incidence where those contacts do the high level of incidence where those contacts do translate the high level of incidence where those contacts do translate into those contacts do translate into COVID-19 those contacts do translate into COVID-19 cases. those contacts do translate into COVID-19 cases. I those contacts do translate into COVID-19 cases. I know those contacts do translate into COVID-19 cases. I know the those contacts do translate into COVID-19 cases. I know the member COVID-19 cases. I know the member will COVID-19 cases. I know the member will wish COVID-19 cases. I know the member will wish well COVID-19 cases. I know the member will wish well all COVID-19 cases. I know the member will wish well all those COVID-19 cases. I know the member will wish well all those who COVID-19 cases. I know the member will wish well all those who may COVID-19 cases. I know the member will wish well all those who may be will wish well all those who may be isolating will wish well all those who may be isolating in will wish well all those who may be isolating in those will wish well all those who may be isolating in those circumstances...! isolating in those circumstances...! There's isolating in those circumstances...! There's no isolating in those circumstances...! There's no question isolating in those circumstances...! There's no question about isolating in those circumstances...! There's no question about that...! There's no question about that...! Supplementary, There's no question about that...! Supplementary, Mr There's no question about that...! Supplementary, Mr Speaker: Supplementary, Mr Speaker: Why Supplementary, Mr Speaker: Why wouldn't Supplementary, Mr Speaker: Why wouldn't New Supplementary, Mr Speaker: Why wouldn't New Zealand Supplementary, Mr Speaker: Why wouldn't New Zealand follow Why wouldn't New Zealand follow Singapore Why wouldn't New Zealand follow Singapore and Why wouldn't New Zealand follow Singapore and have Why wouldn't New Zealand follow Singapore and have a Why wouldn't New Zealand follow Singapore and have a simple, Singapore and have a simple, workable Singapore and have a simple, workable and Singapore and have a simple, workable and sensible Singapore and have a simple, workable and sensible isolation workable and sensible isolation policy workable and sensible isolation policy that, workable and sensible isolation policy that, after workable and sensible isolation policy that, after 72 workable and sensible isolation policy that, after 72 hours, workable and sensible isolation policy that, after 72 hours, if policy that, after 72 hours, if you've policy that, after 72 hours, if you've tested policy that, after 72 hours, if you've tested negative, policy that, after 72 hours, if you've tested negative, you policy that, after 72 hours, if you've tested negative, you can policy that, after 72 hours, if you've tested negative, you can go you've tested negative, you can go back you've tested negative, you can go back to you've tested negative, you can go back to work? you've tested negative, you can go back to work? 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In recognition of the significant growth in the significant growth in apprentices the significant growth in apprentices since the significant growth in apprentices since 2020, the significant growth in apprentices since 2020, and the significant growth in apprentices since 2020, and the apprentices since 2020, and the employment apprentices since 2020, and the employment strength apprentices since 2020, and the employment strength of apprentices since 2020, and the employment strength of the apprentices since 2020, and the employment strength of the New employment strength of the New Zealand employment strength of the New Zealand economy, employment strength of the New Zealand economy, and employment strength of the New Zealand economy, and to employment strength of the New Zealand economy, and to extend employment strength of the New Zealand economy, and to extend the Zealand economy, and to extend the initiative Zealand economy, and to extend the initiative at Zealand economy, and to extend the initiative at a Zealand economy, and to extend the initiative at a reasonable Zealand economy, and to extend the initiative at a reasonable cost, Zealand economy, and to extend the initiative at a reasonable cost, the initiative at a reasonable cost, the first-year initiative at a reasonable cost, the first-year subsidy initiative at a reasonable cost, the first-year subsidy rate initiative at a reasonable cost, the first-year subsidy rate will initiative at a reasonable cost, the first-year subsidy rate will lower first-year subsidy rate will lower to first-year subsidy rate will lower to $500 first-year subsidy rate will lower to $500 per first-year subsidy rate will lower to $500 per month first-year subsidy rate will lower to $500 per month from first-year subsidy rate will lower to $500 per month from 5 first-year subsidy rate will lower to $500 per month from 5 August to $500 per month from 5 August 2022. to $500 per month from 5 August 2022. The to $500 per month from 5 August 2022. The second-year to $500 per month from 5 August 2022. The second-year subsidy to $500 per month from 5 August 2022. The second-year subsidy rate 2022. The second-year subsidy rate will 2022. The second-year subsidy rate will remain 2022. The second-year subsidy rate will remain $500 2022. The second-year subsidy rate will remain $500 per 2022. The second-year subsidy rate will remain $500 per month 2022. The second-year subsidy rate will remain $500 per month until 2022. The second-year subsidy rate will remain $500 per month until the will remain $500 per month until the initiative will remain $500 per month until the initiative ends will remain $500 per month until the initiative ends in will remain $500 per month until the initiative ends in December will remain $500 per month until the initiative ends in December 2023. initiative ends in December 2023. There initiative ends in December 2023. There are initiative ends in December 2023. There are already initiative ends in December 2023. There are already 17,000 initiative ends in December 2023. There are already 17,000 employers There are already 17,000 employers involved There are already 17,000 employers involved in There are already 17,000 employers involved in the There are already 17,000 employers involved in the programme, There are already 17,000 employers involved in the programme, and involved in the programme, and today's involved in the programme, and today's investment involved in the programme, and today's investment means involved in the programme, and today's investment means that involved in the programme, and today's investment means that new today's investment means that new employers today's investment means that new employers can today's investment means that new employers can also today's investment means that new employers can also join today's investment means that new employers can also join up. employers can also join up. Supplementary: Supplementary: Why Supplementary: Why did Supplementary: Why did the Supplementary: Why did the Government Supplementary: Why did the Government consider Supplementary: Why did the Government consider it Why did the Government consider it important Why did the Government consider it important to Why did the Government consider it important to make Why did the Government consider it important to make this Why did the Government consider it important to make this investment Why did the Government consider it important to make this investment at important to make this investment at this important to make this investment at this time? important to make this investment at this time? New important to make this investment at this time? New Zealand's important to make this investment at this time? New Zealand's economy important to make this investment at this time? New Zealand's economy is this time? New Zealand's economy is one this time? New Zealand's economy is one of this time? New Zealand's economy is one of the this time? New Zealand's economy is one of the strongest this time? New Zealand's economy is one of the strongest in this time? New Zealand's economy is one of the strongest in the this time? New Zealand's economy is one of the strongest in the world, one of the strongest in the world, with one of the strongest in the world, with record-low one of the strongest in the world, with record-low unemployment one of the strongest in the world, with record-low unemployment of one of the strongest in the world, with record-low unemployment of 3.2% with record-low unemployment of 3.2% and with record-low unemployment of 3.2% and economic with record-low unemployment of 3.2% and economic activity with record-low unemployment of 3.2% and economic activity up with record-low unemployment of 3.2% and economic activity up on with record-low unemployment of 3.2% and economic activity up on what with record-low unemployment of 3.2% and economic activity up on what it and economic activity up on what it was and economic activity up on what it was pre-COVID-19. and economic activity up on what it was pre-COVID-19. And and economic activity up on what it was pre-COVID-19. And I and economic activity up on what it was pre-COVID-19. And I know and economic activity up on what it was pre-COVID-19. And I know they was pre-COVID-19. And I know they hate was pre-COVID-19. And I know they hate that was pre-COVID-19. And I know they hate that over was pre-COVID-19. And I know they hate that over there. was pre-COVID-19. And I know they hate that over there. That's was pre-COVID-19. And I know they hate that over there. That's in hate that over there. That's in large hate that over there. That's in large part hate that over there. That's in large part due hate that over there. That's in large part due to hate that over there. That's in large part due to the hate that over there. That's in large part due to the investments large part due to the investments that large part due to the investments that this large part due to the investments that this Government large part due to the investments that this Government has large part due to the investments that this Government has made, that this Government has made, including that this Government has made, including in that this Government has made, including in training that this Government has made, including in training in that this Government has made, including in training in supporting including in training in supporting New including in training in supporting New Zealanders including in training in supporting New Zealanders into including in training in supporting New Zealanders into work. including in training in supporting New Zealanders into work. A including in training in supporting New Zealanders into work. A key New Zealanders into work. A key message New Zealanders into work. A key message that New Zealanders into work. A key message that we New Zealanders into work. A key message that we hear New Zealanders into work. A key message that we hear from New Zealanders into work. A key message that we hear from business message that we hear from business is message that we hear from business is that message that we hear from business is that they message that we hear from business is that they need message that we hear from business is that they need more message that we hear from business is that they need more skilled is that they need more skilled workers. is that they need more skilled workers. And is that they need more skilled workers. And we've is that they need more skilled workers. And we've continued is that they need more skilled workers. And we've continued to workers. And we've continued to invest workers. And we've continued to invest in workers. And we've continued to invest in the workers. And we've continued to invest in the training workers. And we've continued to invest in the training of workers. And we've continued to invest in the training of New invest in the training of New Zealanders invest in the training of New Zealanders who invest in the training of New Zealanders who are invest in the training of New Zealanders who are building invest in the training of New Zealanders who are building our Zealanders who are building our houses Zealanders who are building our houses and Zealanders who are building our houses and upgrading Zealanders who are building our houses and upgrading our houses and upgrading our infrastructure, houses and upgrading our infrastructure, because houses and upgrading our infrastructure, because we houses and upgrading our infrastructure, because we know houses and upgrading our infrastructure, because we know how infrastructure, because we know how vital infrastructure, because we know how vital they infrastructure, because we know how vital they are infrastructure, because we know how vital they are to infrastructure, because we know how vital they are to the infrastructure, because we know how vital they are to the success infrastructure, because we know how vital they are to the success of infrastructure, because we know how vital they are to the success of our vital they are to the success of our recovery. vital they are to the success of our recovery. Over vital they are to the success of our recovery. Over the vital they are to the success of our recovery. Over the last vital they are to the success of our recovery. Over the last two vital they are to the success of our recovery. Over the last two years, recovery. Over the last two years, over recovery. Over the last two years, over 190,000 recovery. Over the last two years, over 190,000 people recovery. Over the last two years, over 190,000 people have recovery. Over the last two years, over 190,000 people have benefited over 190,000 people have benefited from over 190,000 people have benefited from Government over 190,000 people have benefited from Government investment over 190,000 people have benefited from Government investment and from Government investment and trades from Government investment and trades training, from Government investment and trades training, including from Government investment and trades training, including in trades training, including in apprenticeships. trades training, including in apprenticeships. Supplementary: apprenticeships. Supplementary: What apprenticeships. Supplementary: What response apprenticeships. Supplementary: What response has apprenticeships. Supplementary: What response has he apprenticeships. Supplementary: What response has he seen apprenticeships. Supplementary: What response has he seen to apprenticeships. 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BusinessNZ has said that the BusinessNZ has said that the apprenticeship BusinessNZ has said that the apprenticeship boost BusinessNZ has said that the apprenticeship boost had apprenticeship boost had "turbocharged" apprenticeship boost had "turbocharged" an apprenticeship boost had "turbocharged" an uptake apprenticeship boost had "turbocharged" an uptake in apprenticeship boost had "turbocharged" an uptake in the "turbocharged" an uptake in the number "turbocharged" an uptake in the number of "turbocharged" an uptake in the number of people "turbocharged" an uptake in the number of people entering "turbocharged" an uptake in the number of people entering trades "turbocharged" an uptake in the number of people entering trades at number of people entering trades at the number of people entering trades at the time number of people entering trades at the time of number of people entering trades at the time of skilled number of people entering trades at the time of skilled shortages. the time of skilled shortages. Adding the time of skilled shortages. Adding onto the time of skilled shortages. Adding onto that, the time of skilled shortages. Adding onto that, the the time of skilled shortages. Adding onto that, the scheme the time of skilled shortages. Adding onto that, the scheme has Adding onto that, the scheme has worked. Adding onto that, the scheme has worked. We've Adding onto that, the scheme has worked. We've seen Adding onto that, the scheme has worked. We've seen tens Adding onto that, the scheme has worked. We've seen tens of Adding onto that, the scheme has worked. We've seen tens of thousands worked. We've seen tens of thousands of worked. We've seen tens of thousands of people worked. We've seen tens of thousands of people entering worked. We've seen tens of thousands of people entering apprenticeships worked. We've seen tens of thousands of people entering apprenticeships - of people entering apprenticeships - up of people entering apprenticeships - up 55% of people entering apprenticeships - up 55% on of people entering apprenticeships - up 55% on the of people entering apprenticeships - up 55% on the levels of people entering apprenticeships - up 55% on the levels that of people entering apprenticeships - up 55% on the levels that we of people entering apprenticeships - up 55% on the levels that we were of people entering apprenticeships - up 55% on the levels that we were up up 55% on the levels that we were up to up 55% on the levels that we were up to previously. up 55% on the levels that we were up to previously. Another up 55% on the levels that we were up to previously. Another very up 55% on the levels that we were up to previously. Another very positive to previously. Another very positive comment to previously. Another very positive comment from to previously. Another very positive comment from the to previously. Another very positive comment from the Motor to previously. Another very positive comment from the Motor Trade comment from the Motor Trade Association, comment from the Motor Trade Association, who comment from the Motor Trade Association, who called comment from the Motor Trade Association, who called it comment from the Motor Trade Association, who called it brilliant Association, who called it brilliant news Association, who called it brilliant news for Association, who called it brilliant news for the Association, who called it brilliant news for the automotive Association, who called it brilliant news for the automotive industry. news for the automotive industry. And news for the automotive industry. And the news for the automotive industry. And the building news for the automotive industry. And the building and news for the automotive industry. And the building and construction And the building and construction ITO And the building and construction ITO said And the building and construction ITO said the And the building and construction ITO said the apprenticeship And the building and construction ITO said the apprenticeship boost ITO said the apprenticeship boost was ITO said the apprenticeship boost was essential ITO said the apprenticeship boost was essential for ITO said the apprenticeship boost was essential for the ITO said the apprenticeship boost was essential for the training ITO said the apprenticeship boost was essential for the training of was essential for the training of the was essential for the training of the skilled was essential for the training of the skilled pipeline was essential for the training of the skilled pipeline of was essential for the training of the skilled pipeline of workers the skilled pipeline of workers needed the skilled pipeline of workers needed in the skilled pipeline of workers needed in the the skilled pipeline of workers needed in the building the skilled pipeline of workers needed in the building and needed in the building and construction needed in the building and construction industry. needed in the building and construction industry. Question needed in the building and construction industry. Question No. construction industry. Question No. 5 construction industry. Question No. 5 - construction industry. Question No. 5 - Ricardo construction industry. Question No. 5 - Ricardo Menendez construction industry. Question No. 5 - Ricardo Menendez March. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing: Minister of Housing: Does Minister of Housing: Does she Minister of Housing: Does she stand Minister of Housing: Does she stand by Minister of Housing: Does she stand by her Minister of Housing: Does she stand by her statement Does she stand by her statement that Does she stand by her statement that extending Does she stand by her statement that extending income-related Does she stand by her statement that extending income-related rent that extending income-related rent subsidies that extending income-related rent subsidies to that extending income-related rent subsidies to council that extending income-related rent subsidies to council housing that extending income-related rent subsidies to council housing tenants subsidies to council housing tenants will subsidies to council housing tenants will "come subsidies to council housing tenants will "come at subsidies to council housing tenants will "come at the subsidies to council housing tenants will "come at the expense subsidies to council housing tenants will "come at the expense of subsidies to council housing tenants will "come at the expense of the will "come at the expense of the Government will "come at the expense of the Government building will "come at the expense of the Government building new will "come at the expense of the Government building new houses Government building new houses for Government building new houses for people Government building new houses for people on Government building new houses for people on the Government building new houses for people on the public Government building new houses for people on the public housing for people on the public housing waiting for people on the public housing waiting list", waiting list", or waiting list", or do waiting list", or do the waiting list", or do the recently waiting list", or do the recently announced or do the recently announced fiscal or do the recently announced fiscal rules or do the recently announced fiscal rules mean fiscal rules mean that fiscal rules mean that this fiscal rules mean that this Government fiscal rules mean that this Government could fiscal rules mean that this Government could increase that this Government could increase debt that this Government could increase debt to that this Government could increase debt to pay that this Government could increase debt to pay for that this Government could increase debt to pay for building that this Government could increase debt to pay for building new that this Government could increase debt to pay for building new housing debt to pay for building new housing while debt to pay for building new housing while also debt to pay for building new housing while also extending debt to pay for building new housing while also extending rent debt to pay for building new housing while also extending rent subsidies? The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr Megan The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the first The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the first part The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the first part of The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the first part of the The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the first part of the question The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the first part of the question - The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the first part of the question - yes. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the first part of the question - yes. To The Hon Dr Megan Woods. To the first part of the question - yes. To the part of the question - yes. To the second part of the question - yes. To the second part part of the question - yes. To the second part of part of the question - yes. To the second part of the part of the question - yes. To the second part of the question part of the question - yes. To the second part of the question - part of the question - yes. To the second part of the question - the second part of the question - the Government's second part of the question - the Government's new second part of the question - the Government's new fiscal second part of the question - the Government's new fiscal rules second part of the question - the Government's new fiscal rules apply Government's new fiscal rules apply to Government's new fiscal rules apply to fiscal Government's new fiscal rules apply to fiscal policy Government's new fiscal rules apply to fiscal policy as Government's new fiscal rules apply to fiscal policy as a Government's new fiscal rules apply to fiscal policy as a whole. Government's new fiscal rules apply to fiscal policy as a whole. They to fiscal policy as a whole. They don't to fiscal policy as a whole. They don't specify to fiscal policy as a whole. They don't specify a to fiscal policy as a whole. They don't specify a particular to fiscal policy as a whole. They don't specify a particular spending don't specify a particular spending outcome don't specify a particular spending outcome on don't specify a particular spending outcome on a don't specify a particular spending outcome on a portfolio don't specify a particular spending outcome on a portfolio basis. don't specify a particular spending outcome on a portfolio basis. The outcome on a portfolio basis. The debt outcome on a portfolio basis. The debt rules outcome on a portfolio basis. The debt rules are outcome on a portfolio basis. The debt rules are a outcome on a portfolio basis. The debt rules are a ceiling, outcome on a portfolio basis. The debt rules are a ceiling, not outcome on a portfolio basis. The debt rules are a ceiling, not a debt rules are a ceiling, not a target. debt rules are a ceiling, not a target. There debt rules are a ceiling, not a target. There are debt rules are a ceiling, not a target. There are two debt rules are a ceiling, not a target. There are two significant target. There are two significant financial target. There are two significant financial constraints target. There are two significant financial constraints in target. There are two significant financial constraints in increasing financial constraints in increasing the financial constraints in increasing the number financial constraints in increasing the number of financial constraints in increasing the number of public financial constraints in increasing the number of public houses. financial constraints in increasing the number of public houses. One financial constraints in increasing the number of public houses. One is the number of public houses. One is the the number of public houses. One is the capital the number of public houses. One is the capital expenditure the number of public houses. One is the capital expenditure required the number of public houses. One is the capital expenditure required to the capital expenditure required to build the capital expenditure required to build the the capital expenditure required to build the homes. the capital expenditure required to build the homes. The the capital expenditure required to build the homes. The second the capital expenditure required to build the homes. The second is the capital expenditure required to build the homes. The second is the build the homes. The second is the continued build the homes. The second is the continued annual build the homes. The second is the continued annual and build the homes. The second is the continued annual and ongoing continued annual and ongoing commitment continued annual and ongoing commitment to continued annual and ongoing commitment to provide continued annual and ongoing commitment to provide the commitment to provide the operational commitment to provide the operational expenditure commitment to provide the operational expenditure for commitment to provide the operational expenditure for the operational expenditure for the income-related operational expenditure for the income-related rent operational expenditure for the income-related rent subsidy. operational expenditure for the income-related rent subsidy. On operational expenditure for the income-related rent subsidy. On the income-related rent subsidy. On the first, income-related rent subsidy. On the first, the income-related rent subsidy. On the first, the capital income-related rent subsidy. On the first, the capital constraint income-related rent subsidy. 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It has its own debt to a sheet to borrow for houses. It has its own debt to a Government-set its own debt to a Government-set limit its own debt to a Government-set limit of its own debt to a Government-set limit of $8.3 its own debt to a Government-set limit of $8.3 billion its own debt to a Government-set limit of $8.3 billion in its own debt to a Government-set limit of $8.3 billion in the its own debt to a Government-set limit of $8.3 billion in the private limit of $8.3 billion in the private market. limit of $8.3 billion in the private market. It limit of $8.3 billion in the private market. It also limit of $8.3 billion in the private market. It also has limit of $8.3 billion in the private market. It also has nearly limit of $8.3 billion in the private market. It also has nearly $2 market. It also has nearly $2 billion market. It also has nearly $2 billion in market. It also has nearly $2 billion in loans market. It also has nearly $2 billion in loans from market. It also has nearly $2 billion in loans from the market. It also has nearly $2 billion in loans from the Crown. market. It also has nearly $2 billion in loans from the Crown. The billion in loans from the Crown. The debt billion in loans from the Crown. The debt is billion in loans from the Crown. The debt is not billion in loans from the Crown. The debt is not solely billion in loans from the Crown. The debt is not solely for billion in loans from the Crown. The debt is not solely for additional debt is not solely for additional housing. debt is not solely for additional housing. Delivery debt is not solely for additional housing. Delivery also debt is not solely for additional housing. Delivery also funds debt is not solely for additional housing. Delivery also funds a housing. Delivery also funds a number housing. Delivery also funds a number of housing. Delivery also funds a number of activities housing. Delivery also funds a number of activities undertaken housing. Delivery also funds a number of activities undertaken by number of activities undertaken by Kinga number of activities undertaken by Kinga aura, number of activities undertaken by Kinga aura, including number of activities undertaken by Kinga aura, including redevelopment, Kinga aura, including redevelopment, land Kinga aura, including redevelopment, land acquisition Kinga aura, including redevelopment, land acquisition and Kinga aura, including redevelopment, land acquisition and infrastructure. land acquisition and infrastructure. However, land acquisition and infrastructure. However, the land acquisition and infrastructure. However, the IRRS land acquisition and infrastructure. However, the IRRS expenditure land acquisition and infrastructure. However, the IRRS expenditure or However, the IRRS expenditure or income-related However, the IRRS expenditure or income-related rent However, the IRRS expenditure or income-related rent expenditure However, the IRRS expenditure or income-related rent expenditure the income-related rent expenditure the member income-related rent expenditure the member refers income-related rent expenditure the member refers to income-related rent expenditure the member refers to are income-related rent expenditure the member refers to are operating member refers to are operating expenses, member refers to are operating expenses, not member refers to are operating expenses, not debt member refers to are operating expenses, not debt funding member refers to are operating expenses, not debt funding - member refers to are operating expenses, not debt funding - it expenses, not debt funding - it needs expenses, not debt funding - it needs to expenses, not debt funding - it needs to come expenses, not debt funding - it needs to come within expenses, not debt funding - it needs to come within the expenses, not debt funding - it needs to come within the operating needs to come within the operating allowances needs to come within the operating allowances of needs to come within the operating allowances of the needs to come within the operating allowances of the annual needs to come within the operating allowances of the annual budget. allowances of the annual budget. Since allowances of the annual budget. Since we've allowances of the annual budget. Since we've come allowances of the annual budget. Since we've come to allowances of the annual budget. Since we've come to Government, allowances of the annual budget. Since we've come to Government, I'm Since we've come to Government, I'm pleased Since we've come to Government, I'm pleased to Since we've come to Government, I'm pleased to report Since we've come to Government, I'm pleased to report we Since we've come to Government, I'm pleased to report we have Since we've come to Government, I'm pleased to report we have increased pleased to report we have increased the pleased to report we have increased the expenditure pleased to report we have increased the expenditure on pleased to report we have increased the expenditure on IRRS pleased to report we have increased the expenditure on IRRS from pleased to report we have increased the expenditure on IRRS from $890 the expenditure on IRRS from $890 million. the expenditure on IRRS from $890 million. The the expenditure on IRRS from $890 million. The previous the expenditure on IRRS from $890 million. The previous government million. The previous government annually million. The previous government annually paid million. The previous government annually paid in million. The previous government annually paid in 2017/18 million. The previous government annually paid in 2017/18 to million. The previous government annually paid in 2017/18 to $18.138 annually paid in 2017/18 to $18.138 billion annually paid in 2017/18 to $18.138 billion forecast annually paid in 2017/18 to $18.138 billion forecast for annually paid in 2017/18 to $18.138 billion forecast for this annually paid in 2017/18 to $18.138 billion forecast for this financial billion forecast for this financial year. billion forecast for this financial year. This billion forecast for this financial year. This represents billion forecast for this financial year. This represents a billion forecast for this financial year. This represents a 48% billion forecast for this financial year. This represents a 48% increase year. This represents a 48% increase in year. This represents a 48% increase in IRRS. year. This represents a 48% increase in IRRS. If year. This represents a 48% increase in IRRS. If we year. This represents a 48% increase in IRRS. If we were year. This represents a 48% increase in IRRS. If we were to year. This represents a 48% increase in IRRS. If we were to apply year. This represents a 48% increase in IRRS. If we were to apply the in IRRS. If we were to apply the IRRS in IRRS. If we were to apply the IRRS to in IRRS. If we were to apply the IRRS to council in IRRS. If we were to apply the IRRS to council houses in IRRS. If we were to apply the IRRS to council houses that in IRRS. If we were to apply the IRRS to council houses that have IRRS to council houses that have already IRRS to council houses that have already been IRRS to council houses that have already been built, IRRS to council houses that have already been built, we IRRS to council houses that have already been built, we would IRRS to council houses that have already been built, we would be already been built, we would be applying already been built, we would be applying this already been built, we would be applying this to already been built, we would be applying this to existing already been built, we would be applying this to existing housing applying this to existing housing rather applying this to existing housing rather than applying this to existing housing rather than continuing applying this to existing housing rather than continuing our applying this to existing housing rather than continuing our record rather than continuing our record house-building rather than continuing our record house-building programme. rather than continuing our record house-building programme. If rather than continuing our record house-building programme. If we rather than continuing our record house-building programme. If we are house-building programme. If we are to house-building programme. If we are to solve house-building programme. If we are to solve the house-building programme. If we are to solve the housing house-building programme. If we are to solve the housing crisis, house-building programme. If we are to solve the housing crisis, we to solve the housing crisis, we simply to solve the housing crisis, we simply have to solve the housing crisis, we simply have to to solve the housing crisis, we simply have to build to solve the housing crisis, we simply have to build more to solve the housing crisis, we simply have to build more homes, to solve the housing crisis, we simply have to build more homes, and simply have to build more homes, and we simply have to build more homes, and we are simply have to build more homes, and we are unashamedly simply have to build more homes, and we are unashamedly pulling simply have to build more homes, and we are unashamedly pulling every we are unashamedly pulling every lever we are unashamedly pulling every lever to we are unashamedly pulling every lever to increase we are unashamedly pulling every lever to increase housing we are unashamedly pulling every lever to increase housing supply. lever to increase housing supply. 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He's a bit lucky he's going to be here for it. Can I just later. He's a bit lucky he's going to be here for it. Can I just say to be here for it. Can I just say that to be here for it. Can I just say that the to be here for it. Can I just say that the length to be here for it. Can I just say that the length of to be here for it. Can I just say that the length of answers to be here for it. Can I just say that the length of answers is that the length of answers is something, that the length of answers is something, from that the length of answers is something, from my that the length of answers is something, from my judgement, that the length of answers is something, from my judgement, and something, from my judgement, and reflecting something, from my judgement, and reflecting on something, from my judgement, and reflecting on my something, from my judgement, and reflecting on my judgement something, from my judgement, and reflecting on my judgement is reflecting on my judgement is something reflecting on my judgement is something which reflecting on my judgement is something which is reflecting on my judgement is something which is not reflecting on my judgement is something which is not appropriate. something which is not appropriate. I something which is not appropriate. I was something which is not appropriate. I was warned something which is not appropriate. I was warned that something which is not appropriate. I was warned that that something which is not appropriate. I was warned that that was something which is not appropriate. I was warned that that was to something which is not appropriate. I was warned that that was to be something which is not appropriate. I was warned that that was to be a I was warned that that was to be a longer I was warned that that was to be a longer answer. I was warned that that was to be a longer answer. I I was warned that that was to be a longer answer. I will I was warned that that was to be a longer answer. I will say I was warned that that was to be a longer answer. I will say to I was warned that that was to be a longer answer. I will say to the longer answer. I will say to the Minister longer answer. I will say to the Minister - longer answer. I will say to the Minister - there longer answer. I will say to the Minister - there was longer answer. I will say to the Minister - there was probably longer answer. I will say to the Minister - there was probably a longer answer. I will say to the Minister - there was probably a bit Minister - there was probably a bit more Minister - there was probably a bit more in Minister - there was probably a bit more in it Minister - there was probably a bit more in it than Minister - there was probably a bit more in it than was Minister - there was probably a bit more in it than was absolutely more in it than was absolutely necessary. more in it than was absolutely necessary. I more in it than was absolutely necessary. I like more in it than was absolutely necessary. I like to more in it than was absolutely necessary. I like to be more in it than was absolutely necessary. I like to be helpful. necessary. I like to be helpful. <SIGHS> <SIGHS> The <SIGHS> The member <SIGHS> The member will <SIGHS> The member will stand, <SIGHS> The member will stand, withdraw <SIGHS> The member will stand, withdraw and The member will stand, withdraw and apologise. The member will stand, withdraw and apologise. I The member will stand, withdraw and apologise. I withdraw The member will stand, withdraw and apologise. I withdraw and The member will stand, withdraw and apologise. I withdraw and apologise. apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Supplementary apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Supplementary question. Supplementary question. Supplementary: Supplementary: Does Supplementary: Does she Supplementary: Does she believe Supplementary: Does she believe that Supplementary: Does she believe that capping Supplementary: Does she believe that capping rents Does she believe that capping rents at Does she believe that capping rents at 25% Does she believe that capping rents at 25% of Does she believe that capping rents at 25% of weekly Does she believe that capping rents at 25% of weekly incomes Does she believe that capping rents at 25% of weekly incomes helps at 25% of weekly incomes helps prevent at 25% of weekly incomes helps prevent homelessness at 25% of weekly incomes helps prevent homelessness by at 25% of weekly incomes helps prevent homelessness by ensuring prevent homelessness by ensuring social prevent homelessness by ensuring social housing prevent homelessness by ensuring social housing tenants prevent homelessness by ensuring social housing tenants can prevent homelessness by ensuring social housing tenants can afford prevent homelessness by ensuring social housing tenants can afford a social housing tenants can afford a decent social housing tenants can afford a decent standard social housing tenants can afford a decent standard of social housing tenants can afford a decent standard of living, social housing tenants can afford a decent standard of living, stay social housing tenants can afford a decent standard of living, stay in decent standard of living, stay in their decent standard of living, stay in their homes, decent standard of living, stay in their homes, and decent standard of living, stay in their homes, and put decent standard of living, stay in their homes, and put down decent standard of living, stay in their homes, and put down roots decent standard of living, stay in their homes, and put down roots in their homes, and put down roots in their their homes, and put down roots in their community? their homes, and put down roots in their community? If their homes, and put down roots in their community? If so, their homes, and put down roots in their community? If so, does their homes, and put down roots in their community? If so, does she their community? If so, does she believe their community? If so, does she believe it their community? If so, does she believe it is their community? If so, does she believe it is important their community? If so, does she believe it is important to their community? If so, does she believe it is important to enable believe it is important to enable this believe it is important to enable this for believe it is important to enable this for local believe it is important to enable this for local government believe it is important to enable this for local government housing this for local government housing tenants this for local government housing tenants as this for local government housing tenants as well? this for local government housing tenants as well? Of this for local government housing tenants as well? Of course, this for local government housing tenants as well? Of course, the tenants as well? Of course, the Government's tenants as well? Of course, the Government's public tenants as well? Of course, the Government's public housing Government's public housing provider, Government's public housing provider, Kainga Government's public housing provider, Kainga Ora, Government's public housing provider, Kainga Ora, does Government's public housing provider, Kainga Ora, does have Government's public housing provider, Kainga Ora, does have an provider, Kainga Ora, does have an income-related provider, Kainga Ora, does have an income-related rent provider, Kainga Ora, does have an income-related rent subsidy, provider, Kainga Ora, does have an income-related rent subsidy, capped income-related rent subsidy, capped at income-related rent subsidy, capped at 25%. income-related rent subsidy, capped at 25%. This income-related rent subsidy, capped at 25%. This is income-related rent subsidy, capped at 25%. This is afforded income-related rent subsidy, capped at 25%. This is afforded to income-related rent subsidy, capped at 25%. This is afforded to a income-related rent subsidy, capped at 25%. This is afforded to a number at 25%. This is afforded to a number of at 25%. This is afforded to a number of chips at 25%. This is afforded to a number of chips that at 25%. This is afforded to a number of chips that qualify at 25%. This is afforded to a number of chips that qualify for at 25%. This is afforded to a number of chips that qualify for IRRS of chips that qualify for IRRS funding. of chips that qualify for IRRS funding. When of chips that qualify for IRRS funding. When it of chips that qualify for IRRS funding. When it comes of chips that qualify for IRRS funding. When it comes to of chips that qualify for IRRS funding. When it comes to councils, funding. When it comes to councils, I funding. When it comes to councils, I think funding. When it comes to councils, I think it's funding. When it comes to councils, I think it's worth funding. When it comes to councils, I think it's worth remembering funding. When it comes to councils, I think it's worth remembering that I think it's worth remembering that it I think it's worth remembering that it is I think it's worth remembering that it is only I think it's worth remembering that it is only since 2015/16, I think it's worth remembering that it is only since 2015/16, when I think it's worth remembering that it is only since 2015/16, when the it is only since 2015/16, when the National it is only since 2015/16, when the National government it is only since 2015/16, when the National government readied it is only since 2015/16, when the National government readied the National government readied the public National government readied the public housing National government readied the public housing network National government readied the public housing network for National government readied the public housing network for sell-off, public housing network for sell-off, that public housing network for sell-off, that councils public housing network for sell-off, that councils became public housing network for sell-off, that councils became eligible public housing network for sell-off, that councils became eligible to that councils became eligible to receive that councils became eligible to receive IRRS that councils became eligible to receive IRRS funding. that councils became eligible to receive IRRS funding. Previously, receive IRRS funding. Previously, they receive IRRS funding. Previously, they did receive IRRS funding. Previously, they did that receive IRRS funding. Previously, they did that by receive IRRS funding. Previously, they did that by setting receive IRRS funding. Previously, they did that by setting their receive IRRS funding. Previously, they did that by setting their own they did that by setting their own affordable they did that by setting their own affordable housing they did that by setting their own affordable housing rents they did that by setting their own affordable housing rents and affordable housing rents and utilised affordable housing rents and utilised the affordable housing rents and utilised the accommodation utilised the accommodation supplement. utilised the accommodation supplement. I utilised the accommodation supplement. I would utilised the accommodation supplement. I would point utilised the accommodation supplement. I would point the utilised the accommodation supplement. I would point the member supplement. I would point the member to supplement. I would point the member to the supplement. I would point the member to the fact supplement. I would point the member to the fact that supplement. I would point the member to the fact that the supplement. I would point the member to the fact that the PWC supplement. I would point the member to the fact that the PWC actually to the fact that the PWC actually to to the fact that the PWC actually did a review to the fact that the PWC actually did a review of to the fact that the PWC actually did a review of the to the fact that the PWC actually did a review of the proportion to the fact that the PWC actually did a review of the proportion of did a review of the proportion of income did a review of the proportion of income that did a review of the proportion of income that council did a review of the proportion of income that council tenants did a review of the proportion of income that council tenants around income that council tenants around the income that council tenants around the country income that council tenants around the country were income that council tenants around the country were paying. income that council tenants around the country were paying. Some income that council tenants around the country were paying. Some were the country were paying. Some were in the country were paying. Some were in fact the country were paying. Some were in fact paying the country were paying. Some were in fact paying less the country were paying. Some were in fact paying less than the country were paying. Some were in fact paying less than 25%. the country were paying. Some were in fact paying less than 25%. Some in fact paying less than 25%. Some were in fact paying less than 25%. Some were paying in fact paying less than 25%. Some were paying substantially in fact paying less than 25%. Some were paying substantially more. in fact paying less than 25%. Some were paying substantially more. It's were paying substantially more. It's really were paying substantially more. It's really down were paying substantially more. It's really down to were paying substantially more. It's really down to individual were paying substantially more. It's really down to individual councils really down to individual councils for really down to individual councils for them really down to individual councils for them to really down to individual councils for them to take really down to individual councils for them to take responsibility for them to take responsibility around for them to take responsibility around the for them to take responsibility around the provision for them to take responsibility around the provision of for them to take responsibility around the provision of affordable around the provision of affordable housing around the provision of affordable housing for around the provision of affordable housing for their around the provision of affordable housing for their communities. housing for their communities. Supplementary: Supplementary: Does Supplementary: Does she Supplementary: Does she agree Supplementary: Does she agree with Supplementary: Does she agree with her Supplementary: Does she agree with her former Does she agree with her former colleague, Does she agree with her former colleague, Annette Does she agree with her former colleague, Annette King, Does she agree with her former colleague, Annette King, who Does she agree with her former colleague, Annette King, who pushed colleague, Annette King, who pushed for colleague, Annette King, who pushed for councils colleague, Annette King, who pushed for councils to colleague, Annette King, who pushed for councils to have colleague, Annette King, who pushed for councils to have access colleague, Annette King, who pushed for councils to have access to for councils to have access to income-related for councils to have access to income-related rent for councils to have access to income-related rent subsidies for councils to have access to income-related rent subsidies during income-related rent subsidies during the income-related rent subsidies during the previous income-related rent subsidies during the previous National income-related rent subsidies during the previous National government? the previous National government? And the previous National government? And with the previous National government? And with the the previous National government? And with the current the previous National government? And with the current Labour the previous National government? And with the current Labour Party And with the current Labour Party member And with the current Labour Party member who And with the current Labour Party member who is And with the current Labour Party member who is calling And with the current Labour Party member who is calling on And with the current Labour Party member who is calling on this member who is calling on this Government member who is calling on this Government to member who is calling on this Government to "Help member who is calling on this Government to "Help us member who is calling on this Government to "Help us out member who is calling on this Government to "Help us out here member who is calling on this Government to "Help us out here with Government to "Help us out here with income-related Government to "Help us out here with income-related rent Government to "Help us out here with income-related rent subsidies"? Government to "Help us out here with income-related rent subsidies"? We income-related rent subsidies"? We have income-related rent subsidies"? We have been income-related rent subsidies"? We have been working income-related rent subsidies"? We have been working with income-related rent subsidies"? We have been working with the have been working with the Wellington have been working with the Wellington City have been working with the Wellington City Council have been working with the Wellington City Council for have been working with the Wellington City Council for around have been working with the Wellington City Council for around a Wellington City Council for around a year Wellington City Council for around a year now. Wellington City Council for around a year now. It Wellington City Council for around a year now. It is Wellington City Council for around a year now. It is a Wellington City Council for around a year now. It is a complicated Wellington City Council for around a year now. It is a complicated issue. year now. It is a complicated issue. There year now. It is a complicated issue. There is year now. It is a complicated issue. There is the year now. It is a complicated issue. There is the matter year now. It is a complicated issue. There is the matter of year now. It is a complicated issue. There is the matter of the year now. It is a complicated issue. There is the matter of the $220 There is the matter of the $220 million There is the matter of the $220 million loan There is the matter of the $220 million loan that There is the matter of the $220 million loan that was There is the matter of the $220 million loan that was given There is the matter of the $220 million loan that was given to There is the matter of the $220 million loan that was given to the million loan that was given to the Wellington million loan that was given to the Wellington City million loan that was given to the Wellington City Council million loan that was given to the Wellington City Council that million loan that was given to the Wellington City Council that needs Wellington City Council that needs to Wellington City Council that needs to be Wellington City Council that needs to be delivered Wellington City Council that needs to be delivered on Wellington City Council that needs to be delivered on its Wellington City Council that needs to be delivered on its obligations to be delivered on its obligations under to be delivered on its obligations under the to be delivered on its obligations under the loan to be delivered on its obligations under the loan by, to be delivered on its obligations under the loan by, I to be delivered on its obligations under the loan by, I think, to be delivered on its obligations under the loan by, I think, 2036. under the loan by, I think, 2036. We're under the loan by, I think, 2036. We're working under the loan by, I think, 2036. We're working around under the loan by, I think, 2036. We're working around progress under the loan by, I think, 2036. We're working around progress around We're working around progress around the We're working around progress around the terms We're working around progress around the terms of We're working around progress around the terms of that We're working around progress around the terms of that loan. We're working around progress around the terms of that loan. And We're working around progress around the terms of that loan. And also We're working around progress around the terms of that loan. And also the the terms of that loan. And also the level the terms of that loan. And also the level at the terms of that loan. And also the level at which the terms of that loan. And also the level at which Wellington the terms of that loan. And also the level at which Wellington City the terms of that loan. And also the level at which Wellington City makes level at which Wellington City makes its level at which Wellington City makes its own level at which Wellington City makes its own contribution, level at which Wellington City makes its own contribution, and level at which Wellington City makes its own contribution, and what level at which Wellington City makes its own contribution, and what the its own contribution, and what the city its own contribution, and what the city is its own contribution, and what the city is contributing. its own contribution, and what the city is contributing. I its own contribution, and what the city is contributing. I compare its own contribution, and what the city is contributing. I compare this city is contributing. I compare this to city is contributing. I compare this to some city is contributing. I compare this to some other city is contributing. I compare this to some other councils city is contributing. I compare this to some other councils around city is contributing. I compare this to some other councils around the to some other councils around the country to some other councils around the country who to some other councils around the country who are to some other councils around the country who are setting to some other councils around the country who are setting much to some other councils around the country who are setting much lower country who are setting much lower and country who are setting much lower and much country who are setting much lower and much more country who are setting much lower and much more affordable country who are setting much lower and much more affordable rents country who are setting much lower and much more affordable rents for and much more affordable rents for their and much more affordable rents for their citizens. and much more affordable rents for their citizens. Supplementary: their citizens. Supplementary: What their citizens. Supplementary: What recent their citizens. Supplementary: What recent advice, their citizens. Supplementary: What recent advice, if their citizens. Supplementary: What recent advice, if any, their citizens. Supplementary: What recent advice, if any, has their citizens. Supplementary: What recent advice, if any, has she What recent advice, if any, has she received What recent advice, if any, has she received on What recent advice, if any, has she received on the What recent advice, if any, has she received on the potential What recent advice, if any, has she received on the potential capacity received on the potential capacity for received on the potential capacity for iwi received on the potential capacity for iwi and received on the potential capacity for iwi and builders received on the potential capacity for iwi and builders to received on the potential capacity for iwi and builders to build received on the potential capacity for iwi and builders to build new for iwi and builders to build new affordable for iwi and builders to build new affordable rental for iwi and builders to build new affordable rental financing for iwi and builders to build new affordable rental financing if for iwi and builders to build new affordable rental financing if the affordable rental financing if the Government affordable rental financing if the Government provided affordable rental financing if the Government provided rent affordable rental financing if the Government provided rent subsidies Government provided rent subsidies or Government provided rent subsidies or capital Government provided rent subsidies or capital grants Government provided rent subsidies or capital grants on Government provided rent subsidies or capital grants on an Government provided rent subsidies or capital grants on an ongoing or capital grants on an ongoing basis? or capital grants on an ongoing basis? I or capital grants on an ongoing basis? I think or capital grants on an ongoing basis? I think if or capital grants on an ongoing basis? I think if the or capital grants on an ongoing basis? I think if the member or capital grants on an ongoing basis? I think if the member were or capital grants on an ongoing basis? I think if the member were to basis? I think if the member were to look basis? I think if the member were to look closely basis? I think if the member were to look closely at basis? I think if the member were to look closely at what basis? I think if the member were to look closely at what our basis? I think if the member were to look closely at what our Government look closely at what our Government is look closely at what our Government is doing look closely at what our Government is doing in look closely at what our Government is doing in the look closely at what our Government is doing in the area look closely at what our Government is doing in the area of look closely at what our Government is doing in the area of the is doing in the area of the provision is doing in the area of the provision of is doing in the area of the provision of community is doing in the area of the provision of community housing, is doing in the area of the provision of community housing, he provision of community housing, he would provision of community housing, he would see provision of community housing, he would see that provision of community housing, he would see that we provision of community housing, he would see that we are provision of community housing, he would see that we are doing provision of community housing, he would see that we are doing just would see that we are doing just what would see that we are doing just what he would see that we are doing just what he talks would see that we are doing just what he talks about. would see that we are doing just what he talks about. If would see that we are doing just what he talks about. If we would see that we are doing just what he talks about. If we look would see that we are doing just what he talks about. If we look here what he talks about. If we look here in what he talks about. If we look here in this what he talks about. If we look here in this city what he talks about. If we look here in this city at what he talks about. If we look here in this city at Arlington, what he talks about. If we look here in this city at Arlington, this what he talks about. If we look here in this city at Arlington, this is in this city at Arlington, this is of in this city at Arlington, this is of course in this city at Arlington, this is of course a in this city at Arlington, this is of course a long-term in this city at Arlington, this is of course a long-term contract in this city at Arlington, this is of course a long-term contract with of course a long-term contract with Wellington of course a long-term contract with Wellington City of course a long-term contract with Wellington City Council, of course a long-term contract with Wellington City Council, and of course a long-term contract with Wellington City Council, and we of course a long-term contract with Wellington City Council, and we are Wellington City Council, and we are doing Wellington City Council, and we are doing this Wellington City Council, and we are doing this around Wellington City Council, and we are doing this around the Wellington City Council, and we are doing this around the country Wellington City Council, and we are doing this around the country with doing this around the country with up-front doing this around the country with up-front funding, doing this around the country with up-front funding, which doing this around the country with up-front funding, which chips doing this around the country with up-front funding, which chips or up-front funding, which chips or councils up-front funding, which chips or councils are up-front funding, which chips or councils are able up-front funding, which chips or councils are able to up-front funding, which chips or councils are able to capitalise up-front funding, which chips or councils are able to capitalise on councils are able to capitalise on in councils are able to capitalise on in order councils are able to capitalise on in order to councils are able to capitalise on in order to build councils are able to capitalise on in order to build housing. councils are able to capitalise on in order to build housing. If councils are able to capitalise on in order to build housing. If he councils are able to capitalise on in order to build housing. If he has in order to build housing. If he has a in order to build housing. If he has a look in order to build housing. If he has a look at in order to build housing. If he has a look at the in order to build housing. If he has a look at the number in order to build housing. If he has a look at the number of in order to build housing. If he has a look at the number of houses in order to build housing. If he has a look at the number of houses being a look at the number of houses being provided a look at the number of houses being provided by a look at the number of houses being provided by chips a look at the number of houses being provided by chips under a look at the number of houses being provided by chips under the a look at the number of houses being provided by chips under the settings provided by chips under the settings our provided by chips under the settings our Government provided by chips under the settings our Government is provided by chips under the settings our Government is providing, provided by chips under the settings our Government is providing, he provided by chips under the settings our Government is providing, he will our Government is providing, he will see our Government is providing, he will see that our Government is providing, he will see that it our Government is providing, he will see that it is our Government is providing, he will see that it is vastly our Government is providing, he will see that it is vastly increased see that it is vastly increased compared see that it is vastly increased compared to see that it is vastly increased compared to what see that it is vastly increased compared to what it see that it is vastly increased compared to what it was see that it is vastly increased compared to what it was under see that it is vastly increased compared to what it was under the compared to what it was under the previous compared to what it was under the previous government. compared to what it was under the previous government. And compared to what it was under the previous government. And one compared to what it was under the previous government. And one of compared to what it was under the previous government. And one of the previous government. And one of the reasons previous government. And one of the reasons for previous government. And one of the reasons for that previous government. And one of the reasons for that is previous government. And one of the reasons for that is because, previous government. And one of the reasons for that is because, in reasons for that is because, in order reasons for that is because, in order to reasons for that is because, in order to provide reasons for that is because, in order to provide public reasons for that is because, in order to provide public housing, order to provide public housing, you've order to provide public housing, you've got order to provide public housing, you've got to order to provide public housing, you've got to have order to provide public housing, you've got to have an order to provide public housing, you've got to have an annual order to provide public housing, you've got to have an annual and you've got to have an annual and ongoing you've got to have an annual and ongoing commitment you've got to have an annual and ongoing commitment to you've got to have an annual and ongoing commitment to the ongoing commitment to the income-related ongoing commitment to the income-related rent ongoing commitment to the income-related rent subsidy. ongoing commitment to the income-related rent subsidy. It's income-related rent subsidy. It's not income-related rent subsidy. It's not just income-related rent subsidy. It's not just the income-related rent subsidy. It's not just the capital income-related rent subsidy. It's not just the capital funding income-related rent subsidy. It's not just the capital funding - income-related rent subsidy. It's not just the capital funding - it's not just the capital funding - it's also not just the capital funding - it's also the not just the capital funding - it's also the operating not just the capital funding - it's also the operating funding. Supplementary. Supplementary. How Supplementary. How would Supplementary. How would she Supplementary. How would she respond Supplementary. How would she respond to Supplementary. How would she respond to a Supplementary. How would she respond to a Wellington Supplementary. How would she respond to a Wellington resident Supplementary. How would she respond to a Wellington resident who Supplementary. How would she respond to a Wellington resident who pays to a Wellington resident who pays 59% to a Wellington resident who pays 59% of to a Wellington resident who pays 59% of her to a Wellington resident who pays 59% of her income to a Wellington resident who pays 59% of her income in to a Wellington resident who pays 59% of her income in rent to a Wellington resident who pays 59% of her income in rent on to a Wellington resident who pays 59% of her income in rent on a 59% of her income in rent on a Wellington 59% of her income in rent on a Wellington council 59% of her income in rent on a Wellington council flat 59% of her income in rent on a Wellington council flat and 59% of her income in rent on a Wellington council flat and said Wellington council flat and said that Wellington council flat and said that with Wellington council flat and said that with the Wellington council flat and said that with the income-related Wellington council flat and said that with the income-related and that with the income-related and subsidy that with the income-related and subsidy handover, that with the income-related and subsidy handover, "How that with the income-related and subsidy handover, "How am that with the income-related and subsidy handover, "How am I that with the income-related and subsidy handover, "How am I meant that with the income-related and subsidy handover, "How am I meant to subsidy handover, "How am I meant to pay subsidy handover, "How am I meant to pay for subsidy handover, "How am I meant to pay for food? subsidy handover, "How am I meant to pay for food? 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How am I meant to do everything that I need to for power? How am I meant to do everything that I need to do for power? How am I meant to do everything that I need to do for for power? How am I meant to do everything that I need to do for my everything that I need to do for my health everything that I need to do for my health if everything that I need to do for my health if it everything that I need to do for my health if it all everything that I need to do for my health if it all goes everything that I need to do for my health if it all goes on everything that I need to do for my health if it all goes on rent?" everything that I need to do for my health if it all goes on rent?" Mr health if it all goes on rent?" Mr Speaker. health if it all goes on rent?" Mr Speaker. Of health if it all goes on rent?" Mr Speaker. Of course, health if it all goes on rent?" Mr Speaker. Of course, for health if it all goes on rent?" Mr Speaker. Of course, for anybody health if it all goes on rent?" 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But we also need those who have traditionally provided have traditionally provided affordable have traditionally provided affordable houses have traditionally provided affordable houses in have traditionally provided affordable houses in the have traditionally provided affordable houses in the community affordable houses in the community to affordable houses in the community to continue affordable houses in the community to continue to affordable houses in the community to continue to do affordable houses in the community to continue to do so. affordable houses in the community to continue to do so. Supplementary. to continue to do so. Supplementary. What to continue to do so. Supplementary. What role to continue to do so. Supplementary. What role does to continue to do so. Supplementary. What role does she to continue to do so. Supplementary. What role does she believe to continue to do so. Supplementary. 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And does the public housing waiting list? And does she the public housing waiting list? And does she believe the public housing waiting list? And does she believe current the public housing waiting list? And does she believe current financing does she believe current financing does she believe current financing does she believe current financing arrangements for does she believe current financing arrangements for local does she believe current financing arrangements for local Government arrangements for local Government enabled arrangements for local Government enabled them arrangements for local Government enabled them to arrangements for local Government enabled them to meet arrangements for local Government enabled them to meet their enabled them to meet their aspirations enabled them to meet their aspirations of enabled them to meet their aspirations of social enabled them to meet their aspirations of social housing aspirations of social housing providers? aspirations of social housing providers? In aspirations of social housing providers? In answer aspirations of social housing providers? In answer to aspirations of social housing providers? 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I think the member should note that it is only since should note that it is only since 2015 should note that it is only since 2015 and should note that it is only since 2015 and 2016, should note that it is only since 2015 and 2016, under should note that it is only since 2015 and 2016, under the 2015 and 2016, under the corporatisation 2015 and 2016, under the corporatisation that 2015 and 2016, under the corporatisation that the 2015 and 2016, under the corporatisation that the Government corporatisation that the Government put corporatisation that the Government put in corporatisation that the Government put in place corporatisation that the Government put in place to corporatisation that the Government put in place to ready corporatisation that the Government put in place to ready houses corporatisation that the Government put in place to ready houses for put in place to ready houses for sell-off put in place to ready houses for sell-off that put in place to ready houses for sell-off that required put in place to ready houses for sell-off that required the put in place to ready houses for sell-off that required the transfer sell-off that required the transfer to sell-off that required the transfer to community sell-off that required the transfer to community housing sell-off that required the transfer to community housing provider to community housing provider models, to community housing provider models, that to community housing provider models, that what to community housing provider models, that what he to community housing provider models, that what he is to community housing provider models, that what he is calling to community housing provider models, that what he is calling for models, that what he is calling for came models, that what he is calling for came to models, that what he is calling for came to exist. models, that what he is calling for came to exist. 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Question corporatised models of housing that puts people first. Question No. corporatised models of housing that puts people first. Question No. 6. 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And, fair terms and conditions for workers. And, again, fair terms and conditions for workers. And, again, I fair terms and conditions for workers. And, again, I reflect fair terms and conditions for workers. And, again, I reflect the workers. And, again, I reflect the fact workers. And, again, I reflect the fact that workers. And, again, I reflect the fact that they workers. And, again, I reflect the fact that they are workers. And, again, I reflect the fact that they are used workers. And, again, I reflect the fact that they are used in fact that they are used in Australia. fact that they are used in Australia. The fact that they are used in Australia. The Hon fact that they are used in Australia. The Hon Michael fact that they are used in Australia. The Hon Michael Wood. fact that they are used in Australia. The Hon Michael Wood. Can Australia. The Hon Michael Wood. Can the Australia. The Hon Michael Wood. Can the PM Australia. The Hon Michael Wood. Can the PM confirm Australia. The Hon Michael Wood. Can the PM confirm that Australia. The Hon Michael Wood. Can the PM confirm that since Australia. The Hon Michael Wood. Can the PM confirm that since 1991, Australia. The Hon Michael Wood. Can the PM confirm that since 1991, when the PM confirm that since 1991, when New the PM confirm that since 1991, when New Zealand the PM confirm that since 1991, when New Zealand removed the PM confirm that since 1991, when New Zealand removed sector-based New Zealand removed sector-based bargaining New Zealand removed sector-based bargaining from New Zealand removed sector-based bargaining from its New Zealand removed sector-based bargaining from its industrial bargaining from its industrial relations bargaining from its industrial relations framework, bargaining from its industrial relations framework, that relations framework, that Australia's relations framework, that Australia's rate relations framework, that Australia's rate of relations framework, that Australia's rate of labour Australia's rate of labour productivity Australia's rate of labour productivity has Australia's rate of labour productivity has been Australia's rate of labour productivity has been 46% Australia's rate of labour productivity has been 46% higher Australia's rate of labour productivity has been 46% higher on productivity has been 46% higher on average productivity has been 46% higher on average per productivity has been 46% higher on average per year productivity has been 46% higher on average per year than productivity has been 46% higher on average per year than New productivity has been 46% higher on average per year than New Zealand's? average per year than New Zealand's? Yes. average per year than New Zealand's? Yes. And average per year than New Zealand's? Yes. And again, average per year than New Zealand's? Yes. And again, I average per year than New Zealand's? Yes. And again, I reflect average per year than New Zealand's? Yes. And again, I reflect that average per year than New Zealand's? Yes. And again, I reflect that the Yes. And again, I reflect that the tools Yes. And again, I reflect that the tools that Yes. And again, I reflect that the tools that Australia Yes. And again, I reflect that the tools that Australia has Yes. And again, I reflect that the tools that Australia has used Yes. And again, I reflect that the tools that Australia has used ensure tools that Australia has used ensure that tools that Australia has used ensure that we tools that Australia has used ensure that we don't tools that Australia has used ensure that we don't have tools that Australia has used ensure that we don't have a tools that Australia has used ensure that we don't have a race tools that Australia has used ensure that we don't have a race to tools that Australia has used ensure that we don't have a race to the that we don't have a race to the bottom that we don't have a race to the bottom when that we don't have a race to the bottom when it that we don't have a race to the bottom when it comes that we don't have a race to the bottom when it comes to that we don't have a race to the bottom when it comes to wages, that we don't have a race to the bottom when it comes to wages, for bottom when it comes to wages, for instance, bottom when it comes to wages, for instance, FPAs. bottom when it comes to wages, for instance, FPAs. 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Does she believe it's sustainable to keep she believe it's sustainable to keep our she believe it's sustainable to keep our superannuation she believe it's sustainable to keep our superannuation entitlement she believe it's sustainable to keep our superannuation entitlement age our superannuation entitlement age at our superannuation entitlement age at 65, our superannuation entitlement age at 65, when our superannuation entitlement age at 65, when Australia, our superannuation entitlement age at 65, when Australia, America, at 65, when Australia, America, Britain, at 65, when Australia, America, Britain, Germany, at 65, when Australia, America, Britain, Germany, Ireland, at 65, when Australia, America, Britain, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Britain, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Britain, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, to Britain, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, to name Britain, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, to name a Britain, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, to name a few, Britain, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, to name a few, are Britain, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, to name a few, are raising Spain, to name a few, are raising their Spain, to name a few, are raising their ages Spain, to name a few, are raising their ages of Spain, to name a few, are raising their ages of entitlement? Spain, to name a few, are raising their ages of entitlement? And Spain, to name a few, are raising their ages of entitlement? And if Spain, to name a few, are raising their ages of entitlement? And if so their ages of entitlement? And if so - their ages of entitlement? And if so - how their ages of entitlement? And if so - how does their ages of entitlement? And if so - how does she their ages of entitlement? And if so - how does she explain their ages of entitlement? And if so - how does she explain that their ages of entitlement? And if so - how does she explain that to their ages of entitlement? And if so - how does she explain that to young - how does she explain that to young taxpayers - how does she explain that to young taxpayers thinking - how does she explain that to young taxpayers thinking of - how does she explain that to young taxpayers thinking of leaving - how does she explain that to young taxpayers thinking of leaving New taxpayers thinking of leaving New Zealand taxpayers thinking of leaving New Zealand for taxpayers thinking of leaving New Zealand for more taxpayers thinking of leaving New Zealand for more welcoming taxpayers thinking of leaving New Zealand for more welcoming economic Zealand for more welcoming economic climes? Zealand for more welcoming economic climes? My Zealand for more welcoming economic climes? My message Zealand for more welcoming economic climes? My message would Zealand for more welcoming economic climes? My message would be Zealand for more welcoming economic climes? My message would be - Zealand for more welcoming economic climes? 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My message would be - if you wish to retire at an older age than wish to retire at an older age than your wish to retire at an older age than your parents, wish to retire at an older age than your parents, then wish to retire at an older age than your parents, then the wish to retire at an older age than your parents, then the fastest wish to retire at an older age than your parents, then the fastest track your parents, then the fastest track towards your parents, then the fastest track towards that your parents, then the fastest track towards that is your parents, then the fastest track towards that is to your parents, then the fastest track towards that is to have your parents, then the fastest track towards that is to have a your parents, then the fastest track towards that is to have a party your parents, then the fastest track towards that is to have a party in towards that is to have a party in Government towards that is to have a party in Government via towards that is to have a party in Government via the towards that is to have a party in Government via the ACT towards that is to have a party in Government via the ACT Party towards that is to have a party in Government via the ACT Party and Government via the ACT Party and National Government via the ACT Party and National Party Government via the ACT Party and National Party who Government via the ACT Party and National Party who refuse Government via the ACT Party and National Party who refuse to Government via the ACT Party and National Party who refuse to invest National Party who refuse to invest in National Party who refuse to invest in the National Party who refuse to invest in the super National Party who refuse to invest in the super fund. National Party who refuse to invest in the super fund. We've National Party who refuse to invest in the super fund. We've made National Party who refuse to invest in the super fund. We've made a in the super fund. We've made a commitment in the super fund. We've made a commitment to in the super fund. We've made a commitment to that in the super fund. We've made a commitment to that super in the super fund. We've made a commitment to that super fund, in the super fund. We've made a commitment to that super fund, and in the super fund. We've made a commitment to that super fund, and I commitment to that super fund, and I see commitment to that super fund, and I see ACT commitment to that super fund, and I see ACT again commitment to that super fund, and I see ACT again announced commitment to that super fund, and I see ACT again announced that commitment to that super fund, and I see ACT again announced that they see ACT again announced that they wish see ACT again announced that they wish to see ACT again announced that they wish to cut see ACT again announced that they wish to cut their see ACT again announced that they wish to cut their contribution. see ACT again announced that they wish to cut their contribution. It's wish to cut their contribution. It's those wish to cut their contribution. It's those kind wish to cut their contribution. It's those kind of wish to cut their contribution. It's those kind of policies wish to cut their contribution. It's those kind of policies which wish to cut their contribution. It's those kind of policies which means those kind of policies which means that those kind of policies which means that we those kind of policies which means that we will those kind of policies which means that we will not those kind of policies which means that we will not have those kind of policies which means that we will not have consistency those kind of policies which means that we will not have consistency in that we will not have consistency in the that we will not have consistency in the retirement that we will not have consistency in the retirement policy. the retirement policy. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order. <INTERRUPTION> Order. David <INTERRUPTION> Order. David Seymour. <INTERRUPTION> Order. David Seymour. Can <INTERRUPTION> Order. David Seymour. Can the <INTERRUPTION> Order. David Seymour. Can the PM Order. David Seymour. Can the PM explain Order. David Seymour. Can the PM explain to Order. David Seymour. Can the PM explain to those Order. David Seymour. Can the PM explain to those young Order. David Seymour. Can the PM explain to those young people Order. David Seymour. Can the PM explain to those young people how explain to those young people how investing explain to those young people how investing in explain to those young people how investing in the explain to those young people how investing in the New explain to those young people how investing in the New Zealand explain to those young people how investing in the New Zealand super investing in the New Zealand super fund investing in the New Zealand super fund while investing in the New Zealand super fund while also investing in the New Zealand super fund while also borrowing investing in the New Zealand super fund while also borrowing money investing in the New Zealand super fund while also borrowing money to fund while also borrowing money to run fund while also borrowing money to run Government fund while also borrowing money to run Government each fund while also borrowing money to run Government each year fund while also borrowing money to run Government each year is fund while also borrowing money to run Government each year is sensible run Government each year is sensible economics? run Government each year is sensible economics? And run Government each year is sensible economics? And would run Government each year is sensible economics? And would she run Government each year is sensible economics? And would she advise economics? And would she advise young economics? And would she advise young people economics? And would she advise young people to economics? And would she advise young people to invest economics? And would she advise young people to invest in economics? And would she advise young people to invest in shares young people to invest in shares using young people to invest in shares using their young people to invest in shares using their credit young people to invest in shares using their credit card? young people to invest in shares using their credit card? Because using their credit card? Because that's using their credit card? Because that's what using their credit card? Because that's what she using their credit card? Because that's what she just using their credit card? Because that's what she just advocated? using their credit card? Because that's what she just advocated? The that's what she just advocated? The member that's what she just advocated? The member will that's what she just advocated? The member will reorder that's what she just advocated? The member will reorder the that's what she just advocated? The member will reorder the question, member will reorder the question, especially member will reorder the question, especially the member will reorder the question, especially the last member will reorder the question, especially the last part member will reorder the question, especially the last part of member will reorder the question, especially the last part of it. especially the last part of it. I'll especially the last part of it. I'll try especially the last part of it. I'll try my especially the last part of it. I'll try my best. especially the last part of it. I'll try my best. Does especially the last part of it. I'll try my best. 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And by investing, as she calls it, in the super fund? And if by investing, as she calls it, in the super fund? And if that by investing, as she calls it, in the super fund? And if that is by investing, as she calls it, in the super fund? And if that is good the super fund? And if that is good economic the super fund? And if that is good economic sense, the super fund? And if that is good economic sense, would the super fund? And if that is good economic sense, would she the super fund? And if that is good economic sense, would she advise economic sense, would she advise those economic sense, would she advise those same economic sense, would she advise those same young economic sense, would she advise those same young people economic sense, would she advise those same young people to economic sense, would she advise those same young people to borrow those same young people to borrow money those same young people to borrow money on those same young people to borrow money on their those same young people to borrow money on their credit those same young people to borrow money on their credit card those same young people to borrow money on their credit card to those same young people to borrow money on their credit card to invest money on their credit card to invest in money on their credit card to invest in sharesies? money on their credit card to invest in sharesies? The money on their credit card to invest in sharesies? 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Mr Speaker, I would actually refer the member to I would actually refer the member to the I would actually refer the member to the Minister I would actually refer the member to the Minister of I would actually refer the member to the Minister of Finance's I would actually refer the member to the Minister of Finance's recent the Minister of Finance's recent reflections the Minister of Finance's recent reflections around the Minister of Finance's recent reflections around our the Minister of Finance's recent reflections around our fiscal reflections around our fiscal strategy, reflections around our fiscal strategy, which reflections around our fiscal strategy, which demonstrates reflections around our fiscal strategy, which demonstrates our strategy, which demonstrates our focus strategy, which demonstrates our focus on strategy, which demonstrates our focus on ensuring strategy, which demonstrates our focus on ensuring that strategy, which demonstrates our focus on ensuring that when strategy, which demonstrates our focus on ensuring that when we strategy, which demonstrates our focus on ensuring that when we are focus on ensuring that when we are making focus on ensuring that when we are making future focus on ensuring that when we are making future investments focus on ensuring that when we are making future investments that making future investments that require making future investments that require or making future investments that require or draw making future investments that require or draw down making future investments that require or draw down debt, making future investments that require or draw down debt, that making future investments that require or draw down debt, that it require or draw down debt, that it is require or draw down debt, that it is focused require or draw down debt, that it is focused on require or draw down debt, that it is focused on the require or draw down debt, that it is focused on the long-term is focused on the long-term challenges is focused on the long-term challenges that is focused on the long-term challenges that we is focused on the long-term challenges that we have, is focused on the long-term challenges that we have, and is focused on the long-term challenges that we have, and for challenges that we have, and for instance, challenges that we have, and for instance, infrastructure challenges that we have, and for instance, infrastructure as challenges that we have, and for instance, infrastructure as part challenges that we have, and for instance, infrastructure as part of instance, infrastructure as part of that. instance, infrastructure as part of that. 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Supplementary. between 0% and 2% of GDP. Supplementary. Are between 0% and 2% of GDP. Supplementary. Are our between 0% and 2% of GDP. Supplementary. Are our productivity Supplementary. Are our productivity and Supplementary. Are our productivity and wages Supplementary. Are our productivity and wages low Supplementary. Are our productivity and wages low because, Supplementary. Are our productivity and wages low because, according Supplementary. Are our productivity and wages low because, according to and wages low because, according to the and wages low because, according to the OECD, and wages low because, according to the OECD, it's and wages low because, according to the OECD, it's easier and wages low because, according to the OECD, it's easier for and wages low because, according to the OECD, it's easier for foreigners the OECD, it's easier for foreigners to the OECD, it's easier for foreigners to invest the OECD, it's easier for foreigners to invest in the OECD, it's easier for foreigners to invest in China, the OECD, it's easier for foreigners to invest in China, Saudi the OECD, it's easier for foreigners to invest in China, Saudi Arabia the OECD, it's easier for foreigners to invest in China, Saudi Arabia and to invest in China, Saudi Arabia and Myanmar, to invest in China, Saudi Arabia and Myanmar, leaving to invest in China, Saudi Arabia and Myanmar, leaving Kiwi to invest in China, Saudi Arabia and Myanmar, leaving Kiwi workers to invest in China, Saudi Arabia and Myanmar, leaving Kiwi workers with Myanmar, leaving Kiwi workers with less Myanmar, leaving Kiwi workers with less capital Myanmar, leaving Kiwi workers with less capital and Myanmar, leaving Kiwi workers with less capital and technology Myanmar, leaving Kiwi workers with less capital and technology to Myanmar, leaving Kiwi workers with less capital and technology to work less capital and technology to work with. less capital and technology to work with. <INTERRUPTION> with. <INTERRUPTION> Order. with. <INTERRUPTION> Order. 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Question to our productivity if we continue that investment. Question No. to our productivity if we continue that investment. Question No. 7. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development Minister for Social Development and Minister for Social Development and Employment: and Employment: What and Employment: What recent and Employment: What recent announcements What recent announcements has What recent announcements has she What recent announcements has she made What recent announcements has she made about What recent announcements has she made about supporting What recent announcements has she made about supporting people has she made about supporting people into has she made about supporting people into employment, has she made about supporting people into employment, education, into employment, education, or into employment, education, or training? Carmel Carmel Sepuloni. Carmel Sepuloni. Thank Carmel Sepuloni. Thank you, Carmel Sepuloni. Thank you, happy Carmel Sepuloni. Thank you, happy New Carmel Sepuloni. Thank you, happy New Zealand Carmel Sepuloni. Thank you, happy New Zealand Sign Carmel Sepuloni. Thank you, happy New Zealand Sign Language Carmel Sepuloni. Thank you, happy New Zealand Sign Language Week, New Zealand Sign Language Week, Language New Zealand Sign Language Week, Language Week New Zealand Sign Language Week, Language Week and New Zealand Sign Language Week, Language Week and New New Zealand Sign Language Week, Language Week and New Zealand New Zealand Sign Language Week, Language Week and New Zealand Music Language Week and New Zealand Music Monday. Language Week and New Zealand Music Monday. Mr Language Week and New Zealand Music Monday. Mr Speaker, Language Week and New Zealand Music Monday. Mr Speaker, yet Language Week and New Zealand Music Monday. Mr Speaker, yet Minister Monday. Mr Speaker, yet Minister Hipkins Monday. Mr Speaker, yet Minister Hipkins and Monday. Mr Speaker, yet Minister Hipkins and I Monday. Mr Speaker, yet Minister Hipkins and I announced Monday. Mr Speaker, yet Minister Hipkins and I announced the Hipkins and I announced the extension Hipkins and I announced the extension to Hipkins and I announced the extension to apprenticeship Hipkins and I announced the extension to apprenticeship Boost. extension to apprenticeship Boost. It extension to apprenticeship Boost. It has extension to apprenticeship Boost. It has supported extension to apprenticeship Boost. It has supported around extension to apprenticeship Boost. It has supported around 45,000 extension to apprenticeship Boost. It has supported around 45,000 new It has supported around 45,000 new apprentices It has supported around 45,000 new apprentices and It has supported around 45,000 new apprentices and begun It has supported around 45,000 new apprentices and begun building It has supported around 45,000 new apprentices and begun building the apprentices and begun building the workforce apprentices and begun building the workforce we apprentices and begun building the workforce we need apprentices and begun building the workforce we need to apprentices and begun building the workforce we need to future-proof workforce we need to future-proof our workforce we need to future-proof our economy. workforce we need to future-proof our economy. Yesterday, workforce we need to future-proof our economy. Yesterday, the our economy. Yesterday, the Government our economy. Yesterday, the Government announced our economy. Yesterday, the Government announced $230 our economy. Yesterday, the Government announced $230 million our economy. Yesterday, the Government announced $230 million in Government announced $230 million in Budget Government announced $230 million in Budget 2022 Government announced $230 million in Budget 2022 for Government announced $230 million in Budget 2022 for investment Government announced $230 million in Budget 2022 for investment to Budget 2022 for investment to support Budget 2022 for investment to support another Budget 2022 for investment to support another 24,000 Budget 2022 for investment to support another 24,000 apprentices support another 24,000 apprentices and support another 24,000 apprentices and to support another 24,000 apprentices and to continue support another 24,000 apprentices and to continue to support another 24,000 apprentices and to continue to support support another 24,000 apprentices and to continue to support 14,000 and to continue to support 14,000 more and to continue to support 14,000 more beyond and to continue to support 14,000 more beyond August and to continue to support 14,000 more beyond August of and to continue to support 14,000 more beyond August of this and to continue to support 14,000 more beyond August of this year. more beyond August of this year. There more beyond August of this year. There are more beyond August of this year. There are already more beyond August of this year. There are already 17,000 more beyond August of this year. There are already 17,000 employers There are already 17,000 employers involved There are already 17,000 employers involved in There are already 17,000 employers involved in the There are already 17,000 employers involved in the programme, There are already 17,000 employers involved in the programme, and There are already 17,000 employers involved in the programme, and this involved in the programme, and this investment involved in the programme, and this investment will involved in the programme, and this investment will provide involved in the programme, and this investment will provide certainty involved in the programme, and this investment will provide certainty to investment will provide certainty to them investment will provide certainty to them and investment will provide certainty to them and ensure investment will provide certainty to them and ensure new investment will provide certainty to them and ensure new employers investment will provide certainty to them and ensure new employers can them and ensure new employers can sign them and ensure new employers can sign up. them and ensure new employers can sign up. 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This investment goes a long way to bridging the skills gap and way to bridging the skills gap and providing way to bridging the skills gap and providing work-ready way to bridging the skills gap and providing work-ready employees way to bridging the skills gap and providing work-ready employees for providing work-ready employees for New providing work-ready employees for New Zealand providing work-ready employees for New Zealand businesses. New Zealand businesses. Why New Zealand businesses. Why is New Zealand businesses. Why is the New Zealand businesses. Why is the Government New Zealand businesses. Why is the Government extending Why is the Government extending Maori Why is the Government extending Maori trades Why is the Government extending Maori trades and Why is the Government extending Maori trades and training? Why is the Government extending Maori trades and training? Maori Maori trades and training? Maori trades Maori trades and training? Maori trades and Maori trades and training? Maori trades and training Maori trades and training? Maori trades and training is Maori trades and training? Maori trades and training is showing trades and training is showing incredible trades and training is showing incredible promise trades and training is showing incredible promise as trades and training is showing incredible promise as a trades and training is showing incredible promise as a programme. incredible promise as a programme. Last incredible promise as a programme. Last financial incredible promise as a programme. Last financial year, incredible promise as a programme. Last financial year, it incredible promise as a programme. Last financial year, it was incredible promise as a programme. 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The by Maori, for Maori, employment training programmes. The by Maori, for Maori, approach employment training programmes. 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The equitable outcomes for Maori. The contracted equitable outcomes for Maori. The contracted programmes equitable outcomes for Maori. The contracted programmes that equitable outcomes for Maori. The contracted programmes that have equitable outcomes for Maori. The contracted programmes that have been contracted programmes that have been launched contracted programmes that have been launched have contracted programmes that have been launched have 254 contracted programmes that have been launched have 254 participants contracted programmes that have been launched have 254 participants with launched have 254 participants with 177 launched have 254 participants with 177 in launched have 254 participants with 177 in employment launched have 254 participants with 177 in employment so launched have 254 participants with 177 in employment so far. launched have 254 participants with 177 in employment so far. The 177 in employment so far. The programmes 177 in employment so far. The programmes have 177 in employment so far. The programmes have a 177 in employment so far. The programmes have a retention 177 in employment so far. The programmes have a retention rate 177 in employment so far. The programmes have a retention rate of programmes have a retention rate of 95% programmes have a retention rate of 95% - programmes have a retention rate of 95% - a programmes have a retention rate of 95% - a total programmes have a retention rate of 95% - a total of programmes have a retention rate of 95% - a total of 813 programmes have a retention rate of 95% - a total of 813 participants 95% - a total of 813 participants are 95% - a total of 813 participants are expected 95% - a total of 813 participants are expected to 95% - a total of 813 participants are expected to be 95% - a total of 813 participants are expected to be supported 95% - a total of 813 participants are expected to be supported through are expected to be supported through training are expected to be supported through training with are expected to be supported through training with the are expected to be supported through training with the focus. are expected to be supported through training with the focus. 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By the end of the programme, participants have had programme, participants have had significant programme, participants have had significant investment programme, participants have had significant investment into programme, participants have had significant investment into their significant investment into their skills significant investment into their skills and significant investment into their skills and experience, significant investment into their skills and experience, and significant investment into their skills and experience, and are significant investment into their skills and experience, and are more skills and experience, and are more likely skills and experience, and are more likely to skills and experience, and are more likely to continue skills and experience, and are more likely to continue in skills and experience, and are more likely to continue in employment. likely to continue in employment. Currently, likely to continue in employment. Currently, 89% likely to continue in employment. Currently, 89% of likely to continue in employment. Currently, 89% of the likely to continue in employment. Currently, 89% of the 4,719 Currently, 89% of the 4,719 participants Currently, 89% of the 4,719 participants have Currently, 89% of the 4,719 participants have found Currently, 89% of the 4,719 participants have found work, Currently, 89% of the 4,719 participants have found work, are participants have found work, are still participants have found work, are still active participants have found work, are still active on participants have found work, are still active on the participants have found work, are still active on the programme, participants have found work, are still active on the programme, or still active on the programme, or have still active on the programme, or have exited still active on the programme, or have exited their still active on the programme, or have exited their placement still active on the programme, or have exited their placement early have exited their placement early and have exited their placement early and are have exited their placement early and are not have exited their placement early and are not on have exited their placement early and are not on benefit. have exited their placement early and are not on benefit. More have exited their placement early and are not on benefit. More than and are not on benefit. More than half and are not on benefit. More than half of and are not on benefit. More than half of current and are not on benefit. More than half of current participants and are not on benefit. More than half of current participants are half of current participants are working half of current participants are working towards half of current participants are working towards a half of current participants are working towards a level half of current participants are working towards a level 4 working towards a level 4 qualification working towards a level 4 qualification or working towards a level 4 qualification or above. working towards a level 4 qualification or above. Mr working towards a level 4 qualification or above. Mr Speaker, qualification or above. Mr Speaker, Mana qualification or above. Mr Speaker, Mana and qualification or above. Mr Speaker, Mana and Mahi qualification or above. Mr Speaker, Mana and Mahi is qualification or above. Mr Speaker, Mana and Mahi is a qualification or above. Mr Speaker, Mana and Mahi is a fact qualification or above. Mr Speaker, Mana and Mahi is a fact programme Mana and Mahi is a fact programme that Mana and Mahi is a fact programme that provides Mana and Mahi is a fact programme that provides significant Mana and Mahi is a fact programme that provides significant incentive that provides significant incentive to that provides significant incentive to employers that provides significant incentive to employers and that provides significant incentive to employers and participants that provides significant incentive to employers and participants when to employers and participants when they to employers and participants when they need to employers and participants when they need it to employers and participants when they need it most. to employers and participants when they need it most. Question to employers and participants when they need it most. Question No. to employers and participants when they need it most. Question No. 8. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development Minister for Social Development and Minister for Social Development and Employment: and Employment: Is and Employment: Is she and Employment: Is she confident and Employment: Is she confident the and Employment: Is she confident the Government's Is she confident the Government's employment Is she confident the Government's employment initiatives employment initiatives represent employment initiatives represent good employment initiatives represent good value employment initiatives represent good value for employment initiatives represent good value for money; represent good value for money; if represent good value for money; if so, represent good value for money; if so, why? 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For our suite of employment initiatives is doing OK. For the our suite of employment initiatives is doing OK. For the first our suite of employment initiatives is doing OK. For the first time, our suite of employment initiatives is doing OK. For the first time, MSD is doing OK. For the first time, MSD now is doing OK. For the first time, MSD now report is doing OK. For the first time, MSD now report on is doing OK. For the first time, MSD now report on the is doing OK. For the first time, MSD now report on the effectiveness is doing OK. For the first time, MSD now report on the effectiveness of now report on the effectiveness of the now report on the effectiveness of the programmes now report on the effectiveness of the programmes annually now report on the effectiveness of the programmes annually and now report on the effectiveness of the programmes annually and publish the programmes annually and publish those the programmes annually and publish those results the programmes annually and publish those results online the programmes annually and publish those results online via the programmes annually and publish those results online via a the programmes annually and publish those results online via a new those results online via a new digital those results online via a new digital tracking those results online via a new digital tracking tool. those results online via a new digital tracking tool. It's those results online via a new digital tracking tool. It's a those results online via a new digital tracking tool. 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This side of the House is very supportive capability. This side of the House is very supportive of capability. This side of the House is very supportive of supporting capability. This side of the House is very supportive of supporting for is very supportive of supporting for Maori, is very supportive of supporting for Maori, by is very supportive of supporting for Maori, by Maori, is very supportive of supporting for Maori, by Maori, and is very supportive of supporting for Maori, by Maori, and that's Maori, by Maori, and that's certainly Maori, by Maori, and that's certainly a Maori, by Maori, and that's certainly a major Maori, by Maori, and that's certainly a major element Maori, by Maori, and that's certainly a major element of Maori, by Maori, and that's certainly a major element of our certainly a major element of our Maori certainly a major element of our Maori trades certainly a major element of our Maori trades training certainly a major element of our Maori trades training focus. certainly a major element of our Maori trades training focus. Also, Maori trades training focus. Also, as Maori trades training focus. 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That does pandemic to contend with. That does not pandemic to contend with. That does not mean pandemic to contend with. That does not mean that pandemic to contend with. That does not mean that the pandemic to contend with. That does not mean that the programme pandemic to contend with. That does not mean that the programme is pandemic to contend with. That does not mean that the programme is not not mean that the programme is not successful not mean that the programme is not successful and not mean that the programme is not successful and that not mean that the programme is not successful and that we not mean that the programme is not successful and that we will not mean that the programme is not successful and that we will not successful and that we will not continue successful and that we will not continue to successful and that we will not continue to invest successful and that we will not continue to invest in successful and that we will not continue to invest in it. successful and that we will not continue to invest in it. Why successful and that we will not continue to invest in it. Why is successful and that we will not continue to invest in it. Why is the continue to invest in it. Why is the $311 continue to invest in it. Why is the $311 million continue to invest in it. Why is the $311 million flexi continue to invest in it. Why is the $311 million flexi wage continue to invest in it. Why is the $311 million flexi wage extension $311 million flexi wage extension not $311 million flexi wage extension not on $311 million flexi wage extension not on track $311 million flexi wage extension not on track to $311 million flexi wage extension not on track to the $311 million flexi wage extension not on track to the 40,000 $311 million flexi wage extension not on track to the 40,000 jobs, not on track to the 40,000 jobs, when not on track to the 40,000 jobs, when firms not on track to the 40,000 jobs, when firms are not on track to the 40,000 jobs, when firms are crying not on track to the 40,000 jobs, when firms are crying out not on track to the 40,000 jobs, when firms are crying out for not on track to the 40,000 jobs, when firms are crying out for staff? when firms are crying out for staff? And when firms are crying out for staff? And 176,000 when firms are crying out for staff? And 176,000 New when firms are crying out for staff? And 176,000 New Zealanders when firms are crying out for staff? And 176,000 New Zealanders are when firms are crying out for staff? And 176,000 New Zealanders are on And 176,000 New Zealanders are on the And 176,000 New Zealanders are on the Jobseeker And 176,000 New Zealanders are on the Jobseeker benefit? And 176,000 New Zealanders are on the Jobseeker benefit? Just the Jobseeker benefit? Just clarifying the Jobseeker benefit? Just clarifying again the Jobseeker benefit? Just clarifying again to the Jobseeker benefit? Just clarifying again to that the Jobseeker benefit? Just clarifying again to that member the Jobseeker benefit? Just clarifying again to that member that clarifying again to that member that a clarifying again to that member that a large clarifying again to that member that a large number clarifying again to that member that a large number of clarifying again to that member that a large number of the clarifying again to that member that a large number of the 176,000 clarifying again to that member that a large number of the 176,000 New a large number of the 176,000 New Zealanders a large number of the 176,000 New Zealanders on a large number of the 176,000 New Zealanders on Jobseeker a large number of the 176,000 New Zealanders on Jobseeker benefit Zealanders on Jobseeker benefit actually Zealanders on Jobseeker benefit actually are Zealanders on Jobseeker benefit actually are on Zealanders on Jobseeker benefit actually are on the Zealanders on Jobseeker benefit actually are on the health Zealanders on Jobseeker benefit actually are on the health and actually are on the health and conditions actually are on the health and conditions disability actually are on the health and conditions disability support conditions disability support benefit. conditions disability support benefit. 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At the time that we made the announcement around the 40,000 announcement around the 40,000 places announcement around the 40,000 places for announcement around the 40,000 places for flexi announcement around the 40,000 places for flexi wage, announcement around the 40,000 places for flexi wage, Treasury announcement around the 40,000 places for flexi wage, Treasury were places for flexi wage, Treasury were anticipating places for flexi wage, Treasury were anticipating that places for flexi wage, Treasury were anticipating that we places for flexi wage, Treasury were anticipating that we would places for flexi wage, Treasury were anticipating that we would reach places for flexi wage, Treasury were anticipating that we would reach the anticipating that we would reach the peaks anticipating that we would reach the peaks of anticipating that we would reach the peaks of around anticipating that we would reach the peaks of around 480,000 anticipating that we would reach the peaks of around 480,000 people anticipating that we would reach the peaks of around 480,000 people on peaks of around 480,000 people on benefit. peaks of around 480,000 people on benefit. We peaks of around 480,000 people on benefit. We haven't peaks of around 480,000 people on benefit. We haven't got peaks of around 480,000 people on benefit. We haven't got anywhere benefit. We haven't got anywhere near benefit. We haven't got anywhere near that, benefit. We haven't got anywhere near that, Mr benefit. We haven't got anywhere near that, Mr Speaker. benefit. We haven't got anywhere near that, Mr Speaker. But benefit. We haven't got anywhere near that, Mr Speaker. But the near that, Mr Speaker. But the programme near that, Mr Speaker. But the programme was near that, Mr Speaker. But the programme was certainly near that, Mr Speaker. But the programme was certainly designed programme was certainly designed with programme was certainly designed with that programme was certainly designed with that in programme was certainly designed with that in mind. programme was certainly designed with that in mind. And programme was certainly designed with that in mind. And saying programme was certainly designed with that in mind. And saying that, with that in mind. And saying that, we're with that in mind. And saying that, we're just with that in mind. And saying that, we're just over with that in mind. And saying that, we're just over a with that in mind. And saying that, we're just over a year with that in mind. And saying that, we're just over a year into with that in mind. And saying that, we're just over a year into the we're just over a year into the programme we're just over a year into the programme and we're just over a year into the programme and I we're just over a year into the programme and I think we're just over a year into the programme and I think we've we're just over a year into the programme and I think we've seen programme and I think we've seen about programme and I think we've seen about 15,000 programme and I think we've seen about 15,000 people programme and I think we've seen about 15,000 people go programme and I think we've seen about 15,000 people go through programme and I think we've seen about 15,000 people go through flexi about 15,000 people go through flexi wage. about 15,000 people go through flexi wage. The about 15,000 people go through flexi wage. The success about 15,000 people go through flexi wage. The success rate about 15,000 people go through flexi wage. The success rate is about 15,000 people go through flexi wage. The success rate is still wage. The success rate is still immensely wage. The success rate is still immensely effective, wage. The success rate is still immensely effective, and wage. The success rate is still immensely effective, and the wage. The success rate is still immensely effective, and the results immensely effective, and the results are immensely effective, and the results are good. immensely effective, and the results are good. And immensely effective, and the results are good. And just immensely effective, and the results are good. And just like immensely effective, and the results are good. And just like any immensely effective, and the results are good. And just like any other are good. And just like any other programme, are good. And just like any other programme, we are good. And just like any other programme, we expect are good. And just like any other programme, we expect it are good. And just like any other programme, we expect it to are good. And just like any other programme, we expect it to ramp are good. And just like any other programme, we expect it to ramp up programme, we expect it to ramp up and programme, we expect it to ramp up and we programme, we expect it to ramp up and we look programme, we expect it to ramp up and we look forward programme, we expect it to ramp up and we look forward to programme, we expect it to ramp up and we look forward to that. programme, we expect it to ramp up and we look forward to that. How and we look forward to that. How much and we look forward to that. How much does and we look forward to that. How much does the and we look forward to that. How much does the Minister and we look forward to that. How much does the Minister think and we look forward to that. How much does the Minister think the much does the Minister think the Government's much does the Minister think the Government's employment much does the Minister think the Government's employment initiatives Government's employment initiatives have Government's employment initiatives have bited Government's employment initiatives have bited to Government's employment initiatives have bited to the Government's employment initiatives have bited to the fact Government's employment initiatives have bited to the fact that Government's employment initiatives have bited to the fact that there have bited to the fact that there are have bited to the fact that there are 291,000 have bited to the fact that there are 291,000 more have bited to the fact that there are 291,000 more New have bited to the fact that there are 291,000 more New Zealanders have bited to the fact that there are 291,000 more New Zealanders in are 291,000 more New Zealanders in work are 291,000 more New Zealanders in work than are 291,000 more New Zealanders in work than there are 291,000 more New Zealanders in work than there were are 291,000 more New Zealanders in work than there were in are 291,000 more New Zealanders in work than there were in 2017? are 291,000 more New Zealanders in work than there were in 2017? And work than there were in 2017? And that work than there were in 2017? And that we work than there were in 2017? And that we have work than there were in 2017? And that we have an work than there were in 2017? And that we have an unemployment work than there were in 2017? And that we have an unemployment rate work than there were in 2017? And that we have an unemployment rate of that we have an unemployment rate of 3.2%? that we have an unemployment rate of 3.2%? The that we have an unemployment rate of 3.2%? The way that we have an unemployment rate of 3.2%? The way in that we have an unemployment rate of 3.2%? The way in which that we have an unemployment rate of 3.2%? The way in which this 3.2%? The way in which this Government 3.2%? The way in which this Government has 3.2%? The way in which this Government has responded 3.2%? The way in which this Government has responded with Government has responded with respect Government has responded with respect to Government has responded with respect to investing Government has responded with respect to investing heavily Government has responded with respect to investing heavily into respect to investing heavily into employment respect to investing heavily into employment programmes, respect to investing heavily into employment programmes, into employment programmes, into front-line employment programmes, into front-line work employment programmes, into front-line work focused employment programmes, into front-line work focused case front-line work focused case management, front-line work focused case management, and front-line work focused case management, and into front-line work focused case management, and into investing front-line work focused case management, and into investing in management, and into investing in things management, and into investing in things like management, and into investing in things like the management, and into investing in things like the wage management, and into investing in things like the wage subsidy management, and into investing in things like the wage subsidy to things like the wage subsidy to secure things like the wage subsidy to secure jobs things like the wage subsidy to secure jobs so things like the wage subsidy to secure jobs so that things like the wage subsidy to secure jobs so that people things like the wage subsidy to secure jobs so that people didn't secure jobs so that people didn't find secure jobs so that people didn't find themselves secure jobs so that people didn't find themselves unemployed, secure jobs so that people didn't find themselves unemployed, has find themselves unemployed, has meant find themselves unemployed, has meant that find themselves unemployed, has meant that we find themselves unemployed, has meant that we have find themselves unemployed, has meant that we have beaten find themselves unemployed, has meant that we have beaten the find themselves unemployed, has meant that we have beaten the odds meant that we have beaten the odds and meant that we have beaten the odds and not meant that we have beaten the odds and not reached meant that we have beaten the odds and not reached the meant that we have beaten the odds and not reached the depths meant that we have beaten the odds and not reached the depths that meant that we have beaten the odds and not reached the depths that were and not reached the depths that were forecast and not reached the depths that were forecast initially. and not reached the depths that were forecast initially. I and not reached the depths that were forecast initially. I think and not reached the depths that were forecast initially. I think that and not reached the depths that were forecast initially. I think that it forecast initially. I think that it is forecast initially. I think that it is something forecast initially. I think that it is something that forecast initially. I think that it is something that we forecast initially. I think that it is something that we can forecast initially. I think that it is something that we can be forecast initially. I think that it is something that we can be quite is something that we can be quite proud is something that we can be quite proud of is something that we can be quite proud of that is something that we can be quite proud of that we is something that we can be quite proud of that we are is something that we can be quite proud of that we are in is something that we can be quite proud of that we are in a is something that we can be quite proud of that we are in a position proud of that we are in a position where proud of that we are in a position where as proud of that we are in a position where as a proud of that we are in a position where as a country, proud of that we are in a position where as a country, we proud of that we are in a position where as a country, we have proud of that we are in a position where as a country, we have a proud of that we are in a position where as a country, we have a 3.2% where as a country, we have a 3.2% unemployment where as a country, we have a 3.2% unemployment rate. where as a country, we have a 3.2% unemployment rate. Mr where as a country, we have a 3.2% unemployment rate. Mr Speaker, where as a country, we have a 3.2% unemployment rate. Mr Speaker, we unemployment rate. Mr Speaker, we continue unemployment rate. Mr Speaker, we continue to unemployment rate. Mr Speaker, we continue to remain unemployment rate. Mr Speaker, we continue to remain focused unemployment rate. Mr Speaker, we continue to remain focused and unemployment rate. Mr Speaker, we continue to remain focused and as continue to remain focused and as our continue to remain focused and as our announcement continue to remain focused and as our announcement yesterday continue to remain focused and as our announcement yesterday with our announcement yesterday with regards our announcement yesterday with regards to our announcement yesterday with regards to investment our announcement yesterday with regards to investment in our announcement yesterday with regards to investment in employment regards to investment in employment programmes regards to investment in employment programmes showed, regards to investment in employment programmes showed, this regards to investment in employment programmes showed, this is regards to investment in employment programmes showed, this is very regards to investment in employment programmes showed, this is very much programmes showed, this is very much a programmes showed, this is very much a priority programmes showed, this is very much a priority for programmes showed, this is very much a priority for our programmes showed, this is very much a priority for our Government. a priority for our Government. Supplementary. a priority for our Government. Supplementary. Why, a priority for our Government. Supplementary. Why, despite a priority for our Government. Supplementary. Why, despite over a priority for our Government. Supplementary. Why, despite over $1 Supplementary. Why, despite over $1 billion Supplementary. Why, despite over $1 billion being Supplementary. Why, despite over $1 billion being spent Supplementary. Why, despite over $1 billion being spent on Supplementary. Why, despite over $1 billion being spent on employment billion being spent on employment initiatives billion being spent on employment initiatives have billion being spent on employment initiatives have long-term billion being spent on employment initiatives have long-term job initiatives have long-term job seeker initiatives have long-term job seeker benefit initiatives have long-term job seeker benefit recipients initiatives have long-term job seeker benefit recipients increased seeker benefit recipients increased by seeker benefit recipients increased by 60% seeker benefit recipients increased by 60% under seeker benefit recipients increased by 60% under Labour? seeker benefit recipients increased by 60% under Labour? When seeker benefit recipients increased by 60% under Labour? When you seeker benefit recipients increased by 60% under Labour? When you see by 60% under Labour? When you see the by 60% under Labour? When you see the numbers by 60% under Labour? When you see the numbers of by 60% under Labour? When you see the numbers of people by 60% under Labour? When you see the numbers of people go by 60% under Labour? When you see the numbers of people go up by 60% under Labour? When you see the numbers of people go up with the numbers of people go up with regards the numbers of people go up with regards to the numbers of people go up with regards to benefit the numbers of people go up with regards to benefit numbers the numbers of people go up with regards to benefit numbers in regards to benefit numbers in general, regards to benefit numbers in general, then regards to benefit numbers in general, then you regards to benefit numbers in general, then you will regards to benefit numbers in general, then you will see regards to benefit numbers in general, then you will see that regards to benefit numbers in general, then you will see that in general, then you will see that in every general, then you will see that in every category general, then you will see that in every category with general, then you will see that in every category with regards general, then you will see that in every category with regards to general, then you will see that in every category with regards to time every category with regards to time frames. every category with regards to time frames. I every category with regards to time frames. I am every category with regards to time frames. I am still every category with regards to time frames. I am still heartened every category with regards to time frames. I am still heartened by every category with regards to time frames. I am still heartened by the frames. I am still heartened by the fact frames. I am still heartened by the fact that frames. I am still heartened by the fact that we frames. I am still heartened by the fact that we are frames. I am still heartened by the fact that we are seeing frames. I am still heartened by the fact that we are seeing more frames. I am still heartened by the fact that we are seeing more exits fact that we are seeing more exits off fact that we are seeing more exits off benefit fact that we are seeing more exits off benefit into fact that we are seeing more exits off benefit into employment fact that we are seeing more exits off benefit into employment than off benefit into employment than what off benefit into employment than what we off benefit into employment than what we have off benefit into employment than what we have seen off benefit into employment than what we have seen since off benefit into employment than what we have seen since electronic what we have seen since electronic records what we have seen since electronic records were what we have seen since electronic records were kept. what we have seen since electronic records were kept. And what we have seen since electronic records were kept. And Mr what we have seen since electronic records were kept. And Mr Speaker, records were kept. And Mr Speaker, if records were kept. And Mr Speaker, if I records were kept. And Mr Speaker, if I just records were kept. And Mr Speaker, if I just reflect records were kept. And Mr Speaker, if I just reflect on records were kept. And Mr Speaker, if I just reflect on the records were kept. And Mr Speaker, if I just reflect on the last records were kept. And Mr Speaker, if I just reflect on the last week records were kept. And Mr Speaker, if I just reflect on the last week - if I just reflect on the last week - another if I just reflect on the last week - another 1,000, if I just reflect on the last week - another 1,000, or if I just reflect on the last week - another 1,000, or actually, if I just reflect on the last week - another 1,000, or actually, 999 if I just reflect on the last week - another 1,000, or actually, 999 to another 1,000, or actually, 999 to be another 1,000, or actually, 999 to be exact, another 1,000, or actually, 999 to be exact, New another 1,000, or actually, 999 to be exact, New Zealanders another 1,000, or actually, 999 to be exact, New Zealanders have another 1,000, or actually, 999 to be exact, New Zealanders have moved be exact, New Zealanders have moved off be exact, New Zealanders have moved off benefit. be exact, New Zealanders have moved off benefit. That be exact, New Zealanders have moved off benefit. That speaks be exact, New Zealanders have moved off benefit. That speaks to be exact, New Zealanders have moved off benefit. That speaks to this off benefit. That speaks to this Government's off benefit. That speaks to this Government's track off benefit. That speaks to this Government's track record. off benefit. That speaks to this Government's track record. Question Government's track record. Question No. Government's track record. Question No. 9. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Minister of Police: What Minister of Police: What recent Minister of Police: What recent announcements What recent announcements has What recent announcements has she What recent announcements has she made has she made regarding has she made regarding the has she made regarding the number has she made regarding the number of regarding the number of police regarding the number of police officers regarding the number of police officers on regarding the number of police officers on the regarding the number of police officers on the front regarding the number of police officers on the front line? 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Is the Minister aware of any reports that suggests that the last reports that suggests that the last question reports that suggests that the last question is reports that suggests that the last question is wrong? reports that suggests that the last question is wrong? And reports that suggests that the last question is wrong? And most reports that suggests that the last question is wrong? And most of reports that suggests that the last question is wrong? And most of these question is wrong? And most of these ram question is wrong? And most of these ram raids question is wrong? And most of these ram raids are question is wrong? And most of these ram raids are not question is wrong? And most of these ram raids are not repeat question is wrong? And most of these ram raids are not repeat offenders? ram raids are not repeat offenders? And ram raids are not repeat offenders? And it ram raids are not repeat offenders? And it is ram raids are not repeat offenders? 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All of the issues that conditions at home, housing. All of the issues that the conditions at home, housing. All of the issues that the current the issues that the current Government the issues that the current Government is the issues that the current Government is addressing. Government is addressing. Question Government is addressing. Question number Government is addressing. Question number 11, Government is addressing. Question number 11, Jo Government is addressing. Question number 11, Jo Luxton, Question number 11, Jo Luxton, participating Question number 11, Jo Luxton, participating remotely. 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We Sector and rural communities. We have Sector and rural communities. We have cleared Sector and rural communities. We have cleared 271 Sector and rural communities. We have cleared 271 farms Sector and rural communities. We have cleared 271 farms of Sector and rural communities. We have cleared 271 farms of mycoplasma have cleared 271 farms of mycoplasma bovis have cleared 271 farms of mycoplasma bovis and have cleared 271 farms of mycoplasma bovis and plans have cleared 271 farms of mycoplasma bovis and plans are have cleared 271 farms of mycoplasma bovis and plans are under have cleared 271 farms of mycoplasma bovis and plans are under way have cleared 271 farms of mycoplasma bovis and plans are under way to bovis and plans are under way to clear bovis and plans are under way to clear that bovis and plans are under way to clear that remaining bovis and plans are under way to clear that remaining infected clear that remaining infected property. clear that remaining infected property. I clear that remaining infected property. I want clear that remaining infected property. I want to clear that remaining infected property. I want to thank clear that remaining infected property. I want to thank industry property. I want to thank industry and property. I want to thank industry and New property. I want to thank industry and New Zealand's property. I want to thank industry and New Zealand's rural property. I want to thank industry and New Zealand's rural communities and New Zealand's rural communities for and New Zealand's rural communities for partnering and New Zealand's rural communities for partnering with and New Zealand's rural communities for partnering with this and New Zealand's rural communities for partnering with this Government for partnering with this Government to for partnering with this Government to take for partnering with this Government to take on for partnering with this Government to take on this for partnering with this Government to take on this challenge. to take on this challenge. Supplementary to take on this challenge. Supplementary question. to take on this challenge. Supplementary question. How to take on this challenge. Supplementary question. How will to take on this challenge. Supplementary question. How will the Supplementary question. How will the Government Supplementary question. How will the Government manage Supplementary question. How will the Government manage the Supplementary question. How will the Government manage the M. Supplementary question. How will the Government manage the M. Bovis Government manage the M. Bovis eradication Government manage the M. Bovis eradication programme Government manage the M. Bovis eradication programme going Government manage the M. Bovis eradication programme going forward? eradication programme going forward? The eradication programme going forward? The Government eradication programme going forward? The Government is eradication programme going forward? The Government is working eradication programme going forward? 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This implementation within the next year. This will implementation within the next year. This will see implementation within the next year. This will see us implementation within the next year. This will see us move implementation within the next year. This will see us move from implementation within the next year. 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