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Mr Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS <SPEAKS TE <SPEAKS TE REO <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> I I regret I regret to I regret to inform I regret to inform the I regret to inform the House I regret to inform the House of I regret to inform the House of the I regret to inform the House of the death I regret to inform the House of the death on I regret to inform the House of the death on 10 I regret to inform the House of the death on 10 May I regret to inform the House of the death on 10 May 2022 of the death on 10 May 2022 of of the death on 10 May 2022 of the of the death on 10 May 2022 of the Hon of the death on 10 May 2022 of the Hon Dr of the death on 10 May 2022 of the Hon Dr Richard of the death on 10 May 2022 of the Hon Dr Richard Westwood of the death on 10 May 2022 of the Hon Dr Richard Westwood Worth of the Hon Dr Richard Westwood Worth VRD, of the Hon Dr Richard Westwood Worth VRD, who of the Hon Dr Richard Westwood Worth VRD, who represented of the Hon Dr Richard Westwood Worth VRD, who represented the of the Hon Dr Richard Westwood Worth VRD, who represented the Epsom VRD, who represented the Epsom electorate VRD, who represented the Epsom electorate from VRD, who represented the Epsom electorate from 1999 VRD, who represented the Epsom electorate from 1999 to VRD, who represented the Epsom electorate from 1999 to 2005 electorate from 1999 to 2005 and electorate from 1999 to 2005 and continued electorate from 1999 to 2005 and continued to electorate from 1999 to 2005 and continued to serve electorate from 1999 to 2005 and continued to serve as electorate from 1999 to 2005 and continued to serve as a electorate from 1999 to 2005 and continued to serve as a list and continued to serve as a list member and continued to serve as a list member until and continued to serve as a list member until 2009. member until 2009. 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During his membership During his membership of During his membership of this During his membership of this House, of this House, he of this House, he chaired he chaired the he chaired the Regulations he chaired the Regulations Review he chaired the Regulations Review Committee the Regulations Review Committee and the Regulations Review Committee and served the Regulations Review Committee and served as the Regulations Review Committee and served as Minister and served as Minister of and served as Minister of Internal and served as Minister of Internal Affairs, of Internal Affairs, Minister of Internal Affairs, Minister for of Internal Affairs, Minister for Land of Internal Affairs, Minister for Land Information, Minister for Land Information, Minister Minister for Land Information, Minister responsible Minister responsible for Minister responsible for Archives Minister responsible for Archives New Minister responsible for Archives New Zealand, for Archives New Zealand, and for Archives New Zealand, and Minister for Archives New Zealand, and Minister responsible and Minister responsible for and Minister responsible for the and Minister responsible for the National and Minister responsible for the National Library. for the National Library. 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I of the late former member. I now of the late former member. I now ask of the late former member. I now ask members of the late former member. I now ask members to of the late former member. I now ask members to stand of the late former member. I now ask members to stand with of the late former member. I now ask members to stand with me I now ask members to stand with me and I now ask members to stand with me and observe I now ask members to stand with me and observe a I now ask members to stand with me and observe a period I now ask members to stand with me and observe a period of I now ask members to stand with me and observe a period of silence and observe a period of silence as and observe a period of silence as a and observe a period of silence as a mark and observe a period of silence as a mark of and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect to and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect to his and observe a period of silence as a mark of respect to his memory. as a mark of respect to his memory. <SILENCE> Thank Thank you, Thank you, members. Thank you, members. The Thank you, members. The Hon Thank you, members. The Hon Michael Thank you, members. The Hon Michael Wood. Thank you, members. The Hon Michael Wood. Mr Thank you, members. The Hon Michael Wood. Mr Speaker, Thank you, members. The Hon Michael Wood. Mr Speaker, next Thank you, members. The Hon Michael Wood. Mr Speaker, next Thursday Thank you, members. The Hon Michael Wood. Mr Speaker, next Thursday is Wood. Mr Speaker, next Thursday is Budget Wood. Mr Speaker, next Thursday is Budget day! Wood. Mr Speaker, next Thursday is Budget day! The Wood. Mr Speaker, next Thursday is Budget day! The Minister Wood. Mr Speaker, next Thursday is Budget day! The Minister of Wood. Mr Speaker, next Thursday is Budget day! The Minister of Finance Budget day! The Minister of Finance will Budget day! The Minister of Finance will deliver Budget day! The Minister of Finance will deliver the Budget day! The Minister of Finance will deliver the Budget Budget day! 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: of Health: Is of Health: Is the of Health: Is the Government of Health: Is the Government working Is the Government working to Is the Government working to embed Is the Government working to embed community Is the Government working to embed community voices to embed community voices within to embed community voices within the to embed community voices within the reformed to embed community voices within the reformed health to embed community voices within the reformed health system; within the reformed health system; if within the reformed health system; if so, within the reformed health system; if so, how? The The Hon The Hon Andrew The Hon Andrew Little. The Hon Andrew Little. Community The Hon Andrew Little. Community voices The Hon Andrew Little. Community voices will The Hon Andrew Little. Community voices will be The Hon Andrew Little. Community voices will be heard The Hon Andrew Little. Community voices will be heard in The Hon Andrew Little. Community voices will be heard in our The Hon Andrew Little. Community voices will be heard in our health voices will be heard in our health system voices will be heard in our health system through voices will be heard in our health system through locality voices will be heard in our health system through locality planning system through locality planning networks. system through locality planning networks. This system through locality planning networks. This will system through locality planning networks. This will be system through locality planning networks. This will be how networks. This will be how communities, networks. This will be how communities, including networks. This will be how communities, including iwi, networks. This will be how communities, including iwi, work communities, including iwi, work with communities, including iwi, work with health communities, including iwi, work with health providers communities, including iwi, work with health providers to communities, including iwi, work with health providers to have communities, including iwi, work with health providers to have a communities, including iwi, work with health providers to have a say with health providers to have a say on with health providers to have a say on what with health providers to have a say on what health with health providers to have a say on what health services with health providers to have a say on what health services are with health providers to have a say on what health services are provided on what health services are provided for on what health services are provided for them on what health services are provided for them and on what health services are provided for them and how on what health services are provided for them and how they on what health services are provided for them and how they will on what health services are provided for them and how they will be for them and how they will be provided. for them and how they will be provided. A for them and how they will be provided. A locality for them and how they will be provided. A locality will for them and how they will be provided. A locality will be for them and how they will be provided. A locality will be an for them and how they will be provided. A locality will be an area provided. A locality will be an area defined provided. A locality will be an area defined by provided. A locality will be an area defined by geography provided. A locality will be an area defined by geography and provided. A locality will be an area defined by geography and population, defined by geography and population, and defined by geography and population, and will defined by geography and population, and will offer defined by geography and population, and will offer a defined by geography and population, and will offer a coherent defined by geography and population, and will offer a coherent basis defined by geography and population, and will offer a coherent basis to and will offer a coherent basis to organise and will offer a coherent basis to organise health and will offer a coherent basis to organise health services and will offer a coherent basis to organise health services for and will offer a coherent basis to organise health services for the organise health services for the people organise health services for the people who organise health services for the people who live organise health services for the people who live and organise health services for the people who live and work organise health services for the people who live and work there. people who live and work there. Locality people who live and work there. Locality networks people who live and work there. Locality networks will people who live and work there. Locality networks will be people who live and work there. Locality networks will be part people who live and work there. Locality networks will be part of people who live and work there. Locality networks will be part of a Locality networks will be part of a collective Locality networks will be part of a collective of Locality networks will be part of a collective of networks Locality networks will be part of a collective of networks across Locality networks will be part of a collective of networks across the collective of networks across the country collective of networks across the country that collective of networks across the country that inform collective of networks across the country that inform Health collective of networks across the country that inform Health New country that inform Health New Zealand country that inform Health New Zealand and country that inform Health New Zealand and the country that inform Health New Zealand and the Maori country that inform Health New Zealand and the Maori Health Zealand and the Maori Health Authority Zealand and the Maori Health Authority on Zealand and the Maori Health Authority on commissioning Zealand and the Maori Health Authority on commissioning of Zealand and the Maori Health Authority on commissioning of health Authority on commissioning of health services, Authority on commissioning of health services, contributing Authority on commissioning of health services, contributing to Authority on commissioning of health services, contributing to local services, contributing to local plans services, contributing to local plans that services, contributing to local plans that deliver services, contributing to local plans that deliver for services, contributing to local plans that deliver for unique plans that deliver for unique community plans that deliver for unique community needs plans that deliver for unique community needs and plans that deliver for unique community needs and priorities community needs and priorities within community needs and priorities within the community needs and priorities within the national community needs and priorities within the national New community needs and priorities within the national New Zealand within the national New Zealand Health within the national New Zealand Health Plan. within the national New Zealand Health Plan. The within the national New Zealand Health Plan. The locality within the national New Zealand Health Plan. The locality planning Health Plan. The locality planning process Health Plan. The locality planning process will Health Plan. The locality planning process will allow Health Plan. The locality planning process will allow much Health Plan. The locality planning process will allow much greater process will allow much greater coordination process will allow much greater coordination and process will allow much greater coordination and collaboration coordination and collaboration between coordination and collaboration between health coordination and collaboration between health service coordination and collaboration between health service providers coordination and collaboration between health service providers and between health service providers and communities between health service providers and communities to between health service providers and communities to ensure between health service providers and communities to ensure the between health service providers and communities to ensure the right between health service providers and communities to ensure the right mix communities to ensure the right mix of communities to ensure the right mix of services communities to ensure the right mix of services are communities to ensure the right mix of services are available communities to ensure the right mix of services are available on communities to ensure the right mix of services are available on a communities to ensure the right mix of services are available on a basis of services are available on a basis suitable of services are available on a basis suitable to of services are available on a basis suitable to the of services are available on a basis suitable to the community. of services are available on a basis suitable to the community. How of services are available on a basis suitable to the community. How will suitable to the community. How will localities suitable to the community. How will localities be suitable to the community. How will localities be determined? suitable to the community. How will localities be determined? There suitable to the community. How will localities be determined? There will localities be determined? There will be localities be determined? There will be a localities be determined? There will be a range localities be determined? There will be a range of localities be determined? There will be a range of criteria localities be determined? There will be a range of criteria to localities be determined? There will be a range of criteria to help localities be determined? There will be a range of criteria to help in be a range of criteria to help in determining be a range of criteria to help in determining how be a range of criteria to help in determining how a be a range of criteria to help in determining how a locality be a range of criteria to help in determining how a locality is determining how a locality is confirmed, determining how a locality is confirmed, including determining how a locality is confirmed, including priority confirmed, including priority population confirmed, including priority population groups, confirmed, including priority population groups, iwi confirmed, including priority population groups, iwi boundaries, population groups, iwi boundaries, and population groups, iwi boundaries, and local population groups, iwi boundaries, and local government population groups, iwi boundaries, and local government boundaries. and local government boundaries. Once and local government boundaries. Once Health and local government boundaries. Once Health New and local government boundaries. Once Health New Zealand and local government boundaries. Once Health New Zealand and and local government boundaries. 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This priorities for local care. This targeted priorities for local care. This targeted engagement priorities for local care. This targeted engagement will priorities for local care. This targeted engagement will inform priorities for local care. This targeted engagement will inform a targeted engagement will inform a locality targeted engagement will inform a locality plan targeted engagement will inform a locality plan that targeted engagement will inform a locality plan that will targeted engagement will inform a locality plan that will be targeted engagement will inform a locality plan that will be the targeted engagement will inform a locality plan that will be the basis locality plan that will be the basis on locality plan that will be the basis on which locality plan that will be the basis on which local locality plan that will be the basis on which local healthcare locality plan that will be the basis on which local healthcare services on which local healthcare services are on which local healthcare services are funds, on which local healthcare services are funds, and on which local healthcare services are funds, and I on which local healthcare services are funds, and I expect on which local healthcare services are funds, and I expect all on which local healthcare services are funds, and I expect all areas on which local healthcare services are funds, and I expect all areas to are funds, and I expect all areas to be are funds, and I expect all areas to be covered are funds, and I expect all areas to be covered by are funds, and I expect all areas to be covered by July are funds, and I expect all areas to be covered by July 2024. are funds, and I expect all areas to be covered by July 2024. How are funds, and I expect all areas to be covered by July 2024. How will be covered by July 2024. How will localities be covered by July 2024. How will localities be be covered by July 2024. How will localities be set be covered by July 2024. How will localities be set up? be covered by July 2024. How will localities be set up? We've localities be set up? We've established localities be set up? We've established the localities be set up? We've established the first localities be set up? We've established the first nine localities be set up? We've established the first nine areas localities be set up? We've established the first nine areas for established the first nine areas for locality established the first nine areas for locality prototypes. established the first nine areas for locality prototypes. These established the first nine areas for locality prototypes. These are: locality prototypes. These are: Aotearoa. 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The The Hon The Hon Stuart The Hon Stuart Nash. The Hon Stuart Nash. This The Hon Stuart Nash. This week The Hon Stuart Nash. This week I The Hon Stuart Nash. This week I led The Hon Stuart Nash. This week I led a The Hon Stuart Nash. This week I led a delegation The Hon Stuart Nash. This week I led a delegation to The Hon Stuart Nash. This week I led a delegation to one The Hon Stuart Nash. This week I led a delegation to one of The Hon Stuart Nash. This week I led a delegation to one of our The Hon Stuart Nash. 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Question No. 6. services as a result. Question No. 6. Ibrahim services as a result. Question No. 6. Ibrahim Omer. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Immigration: of Immigration: What of Immigration: What recent of Immigration: What recent announcements of Immigration: What recent announcements has of Immigration: What recent announcements has he What recent announcements has he made made about made about the made about the Immigration made about the Immigration Rebalance about the Immigration Rebalance plan? The The Hon The Hon Kris The Hon Kris Faafoi. The Hon Kris Faafoi. Yesterday, The Hon Kris Faafoi. Yesterday, the The Hon Kris Faafoi. Yesterday, the Government The Hon Kris Faafoi. Yesterday, the Government announced, The Hon Kris Faafoi. Yesterday, the Government announced, alongside The Hon Kris Faafoi. Yesterday, the Government announced, alongside the Government announced, alongside the full Government announced, alongside the full opening Government announced, alongside the full opening of Government announced, alongside the full opening of the Government announced, alongside the full opening of the border, Government announced, alongside the full opening of the border, two full opening of the border, two months full opening of the border, two months ahead full opening of the border, two months ahead of full opening of the border, two months ahead of schedule, full opening of the border, two months ahead of schedule, a months ahead of schedule, a rebalance months ahead of schedule, a months months ahead of schedule, a rebalance of our months ahead of schedule, a rebalance of our immigration rebalance of our immigration settings. rebalance of our immigration settings. These rebalance of our immigration settings. These settings rebalance of our immigration settings. These settings will settings. These settings will provide settings. These settings will provide significantly settings. These settings will provide significantly simplified provide significantly simplified processes provide significantly simplified processes and provide significantly simplified processes and support provide significantly simplified processes and support a provide significantly simplified processes and support a higher provide significantly simplified processes and support a higher wage, processes and support a higher wage, higher-productivity processes and support a higher wage, higher-productivity economy. processes and support a higher wage, higher-productivity economy. The higher-productivity economy. The accredited higher-productivity economy. The accredited employer higher-productivity economy. The accredited employer work higher-productivity economy. The accredited employer work visa higher-productivity economy. The accredited employer work visa will accredited employer work visa will reduce accredited employer work visa will reduce the accredited employer work visa will reduce the number accredited employer work visa will reduce the number of accredited employer work visa will reduce the number of visa accredited employer work visa will reduce the number of visa categories reduce the number of visa categories from reduce the number of visa categories from six reduce the number of visa categories from six to reduce the number of visa categories from six to one, reduce the number of visa categories from six to one, resulting reduce the number of visa categories from six to one, resulting in reduce the number of visa categories from six to one, resulting in a from six to one, resulting in a simplified from six to one, resulting in a simplified system from six to one, resulting in a simplified system for from six to one, resulting in a simplified system for both from six to one, resulting in a simplified system for both employers simplified system for both employers and simplified system for both employers and workers. simplified system for both employers and workers. 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More broadly, the rebalance will make it broadly, the rebalance will make it easier broadly, the rebalance will make it easier to broadly, the rebalance will make it easier to attract broadly, the rebalance will make it easier to attract higher-skilled easier to attract higher-skilled migrants, easier to attract higher-skilled migrants, while easier to attract higher-skilled migrants, while supporting easier to attract higher-skilled migrants, while supporting some migrants, while supporting some sectors migrants, while supporting some sectors to migrants, while supporting some sectors to transition migrants, while supporting some sectors to transition away migrants, while supporting some sectors to transition away from sectors to transition away from their sectors to transition away from their reliance sectors to transition away from their reliance on sectors to transition away from their reliance on lower-paid sectors to transition away from their reliance on lower-paid migrant their reliance on lower-paid migrant workers, their reliance on lower-paid migrant workers, which their reliance on lower-paid migrant workers, which we their reliance on lower-paid migrant workers, which we know their reliance on lower-paid migrant workers, which we know has their reliance on lower-paid migrant workers, which we know has become workers, which we know has become unsustainable. workers, which we know has become unsustainable. How workers, which we know has become unsustainable. How will workers, which we know has become unsustainable. How will the unsustainable. How will the immigration unsustainable. How will the immigration rebalance unsustainable. How will the immigration rebalance plan unsustainable. How will the immigration rebalance plan support immigration rebalance plan support New immigration rebalance plan support New Zealand's immigration rebalance plan support New Zealand's economic immigration rebalance plan support New Zealand's economic recovery? immigration rebalance plan support New Zealand's economic recovery? By New Zealand's economic recovery? By making New Zealand's economic recovery? By making it New Zealand's economic recovery? By making it easier New Zealand's economic recovery? By making it easier to New Zealand's economic recovery? 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Zealand is better supported on a path to economic recovery. New path to economic recovery. New Zealand path to economic recovery. New Zealand cannot path to economic recovery. New Zealand cannot return path to economic recovery. New Zealand cannot return to path to economic recovery. New Zealand cannot return to the Zealand cannot return to the pre-pandemic Zealand cannot return to the pre-pandemic trends Zealand cannot return to the pre-pandemic trends that Zealand cannot return to the pre-pandemic trends that saw Zealand cannot return to the pre-pandemic trends that saw us pre-pandemic trends that saw us overly pre-pandemic trends that saw us overly reliant pre-pandemic trends that saw us overly reliant on pre-pandemic trends that saw us overly reliant on growing pre-pandemic trends that saw us overly reliant on growing numbers pre-pandemic trends that saw us overly reliant on growing numbers of overly reliant on growing numbers of lower-paid overly reliant on growing numbers of lower-paid workers overly reliant on growing numbers of lower-paid workers and overly reliant on growing numbers of lower-paid workers and resulted overly reliant on growing numbers of lower-paid workers and resulted in lower-paid workers and resulted in increased lower-paid workers and resulted in increased exploitation lower-paid workers and resulted in increased exploitation of lower-paid workers and resulted in increased exploitation of migrants. increased exploitation of migrants. COVID-19 increased exploitation of migrants. COVID-19 has increased exploitation of migrants. COVID-19 has shown increased exploitation of migrants. COVID-19 has shown us increased exploitation of migrants. COVID-19 has shown us that increased exploitation of migrants. COVID-19 has shown us that that increased exploitation of migrants. COVID-19 has shown us that that is COVID-19 has shown us that that is not COVID-19 has shown us that that is not a COVID-19 has shown us that that is not a sustainable COVID-19 has shown us that that is not a sustainable model. COVID-19 has shown us that that is not a sustainable model. For COVID-19 has shown us that that is not a sustainable model. For the not a sustainable model. For the past not a sustainable model. For the past decade, not a sustainable model. For the past decade, our not a sustainable model. For the past decade, our immigration past decade, our immigration settings past decade, our immigration settings haven't past decade, our immigration settings haven't encouraged settings haven't encouraged businesses settings haven't encouraged businesses to settings haven't encouraged businesses to invest settings haven't encouraged businesses to invest in settings haven't encouraged businesses to invest in people settings haven't encouraged businesses to invest in people and businesses to invest in people and technology businesses to invest in people and technology because businesses to invest in people and technology because it businesses to invest in people and technology because it has businesses to invest in people and technology because it has been technology because it has been cheaper technology because it has been cheaper and technology because it has been cheaper and easier technology because it has been cheaper and easier for technology because it has been cheaper and easier for many cheaper and easier for many businesses cheaper and easier for many businesses to cheaper and easier for many businesses to hire cheaper and easier for many businesses to hire low-paid businesses to hire low-paid migrants. businesses to hire low-paid migrants. The businesses to hire low-paid migrants. The immigration businesses to hire low-paid migrants. The immigration rebalance migrants. The immigration rebalance will migrants. The immigration rebalance will help migrants. The immigration rebalance will help lift migrants. The immigration rebalance will help lift working migrants. The immigration rebalance will help lift working conditions will help lift working conditions for will help lift working conditions for everyone, will help lift working conditions for everyone, improve will help lift working conditions for everyone, improve career for everyone, improve career pathways for everyone, improve career pathways for for everyone, improve career pathways for New for everyone, improve career pathways for New Zealand,ers, for everyone, improve career pathways for New Zealand,ers, and pathways for New Zealand,ers, and encourage pathways for New Zealand,ers, and encourage businesses pathways for New Zealand,ers, and encourage businesses to pathways for New Zealand,ers, and encourage businesses to focusing pathways for New Zealand,ers, and encourage businesses to focusing on encourage businesses to focusing on increasing encourage businesses to focusing on increasing productivity encourage businesses to focusing on increasing productivity and increasing productivity and resilience increasing productivity and resilience as increasing productivity and resilience as part increasing productivity and resilience as part of increasing productivity and resilience as part of our increasing productivity and resilience as part of our plans increasing productivity and resilience as part of our plans for resilience as part of our plans for economic resilience as part of our plans for economic recovery resilience as part of our plans for economic recovery from resilience as part of our plans for economic recovery from the resilience as part of our plans for economic recovery from the pandemic. economic recovery from the pandemic. What economic recovery from the pandemic. What transitional economic recovery from the pandemic. What transitional support economic recovery from the pandemic. What transitional support will economic recovery from the pandemic. What transitional support will be What transitional support will be made What transitional support will be made available What transitional support will be made available to What transitional support will be made available to employers? What transitional support will be made available to employers? Well, made available to employers? Well, we made available to employers? Well, we acknowledge made available to employers? Well, we acknowledge that made available to employers? Well, we acknowledge that these made available to employers? Well, we acknowledge that these changes we acknowledge that these changes cannot we acknowledge that these changes cannot happen we acknowledge that these changes cannot happen overnight. we acknowledge that these changes cannot happen overnight. There we acknowledge that these changes cannot happen overnight. There are cannot happen overnight. There are some cannot happen overnight. There are some industries cannot happen overnight. There are some industries that cannot happen overnight. There are some industries that have cannot happen overnight. There are some industries that have been cannot happen overnight. There are some industries that have been hit some industries that have been hit particularly some industries that have been hit particularly hard some industries that have been hit particularly hard by some industries that have been hit particularly hard by the some industries that have been hit particularly hard by the pandemic, particularly hard by the pandemic, which particularly hard by the pandemic, which is particularly hard by the pandemic, which is why particularly hard by the pandemic, which is why the particularly hard by the pandemic, which is why the Government particularly hard by the pandemic, which is why the Government has which is why the Government has agreed which is why the Government has agreed to which is why the Government has agreed to temporarily which is why the Government has agreed to temporarily exempt which is why the Government has agreed to temporarily exempt tourism agreed to temporarily exempt tourism and agreed to temporarily exempt tourism and hospitality agreed to temporarily exempt tourism and hospitality businesses agreed to temporarily exempt tourism and hospitality businesses from and hospitality businesses from paying and hospitality businesses from paying the and hospitality businesses from paying the median and hospitality businesses from paying the median wage and hospitality businesses from paying the median wage to and hospitality businesses from paying the median wage to recruit paying the median wage to recruit migrants paying the median wage to recruit migrants on paying the median wage to recruit migrants on an paying the median wage to recruit migrants on an accredited paying the median wage to recruit migrants on an accredited employer migrants on an accredited employer work migrants on an accredited employer work visa migrants on an accredited employer work visa into migrants on an accredited employer work visa into most migrants on an accredited employer work visa into most roles. work visa into most roles. Additionally, work visa into most roles. Additionally, new work visa into most roles. Additionally, new sector work visa into most roles. Additionally, new sector agreements Additionally, new sector agreements provide Additionally, new sector agreements provide access Additionally, new sector agreements provide access for Additionally, new sector agreements provide access for specified Additionally, new sector agreements provide access for specified sectors provide access for specified sectors to provide access for specified sectors to lower-paid provide access for specified sectors to lower-paid migrant provide access for specified sectors to lower-paid migrant workers, provide access for specified sectors to lower-paid migrant workers, which to lower-paid migrant workers, which is to lower-paid migrant workers, which is in to lower-paid migrant workers, which is in addition to lower-paid migrant workers, which is in addition to to lower-paid migrant workers, which is in addition to those to lower-paid migrant workers, which is in addition to those employers is in addition to those employers being is in addition to those employers being able is in addition to those employers being able to is in addition to those employers being able to continue is in addition to those employers being able to continue to is in addition to those employers being able to continue to access being able to continue to access working being able to continue to access working holiday-makers being able to continue to access working holiday-makers at being able to continue to access working holiday-makers at any being able to continue to access working holiday-makers at any wage. working holiday-makers at any wage. Finally, working holiday-makers at any wage. Finally, 20,000 working holiday-makers at any wage. Finally, 20,000 visa working holiday-makers at any wage. Finally, 20,000 visa holders working holiday-makers at any wage. Finally, 20,000 visa holders with Finally, 20,000 visa holders with visas Finally, 20,000 visa holders with visas expiring Finally, 20,000 visa holders with visas expiring before Finally, 20,000 visa holders with visas expiring before the Finally, 20,000 visa holders with visas expiring before the end Finally, 20,000 visa holders with visas expiring before the end of visas expiring before the end of 2023 visas expiring before the end of 2023 are visas expiring before the end of 2023 are being visas expiring before the end of 2023 are being granted visas expiring before the end of 2023 are being granted either visas expiring before the end of 2023 are being granted either a 2023 are being granted either a 6-month 2023 are being granted either a 6-month extension 2023 are being granted either a 6-month extension or 2023 are being granted either a 6-month extension or a 2023 are being granted either a 6-month extension or a new 2023 are being granted either a 6-month extension or a new 2-year 6-month extension or a new 2-year visa 6-month extension or a new 2-year visa with 6-month extension or a new 2-year visa with open 6-month extension or a new 2-year visa with open work 6-month extension or a new 2-year visa with open work conditions 6-month extension or a new 2-year visa with open work conditions so visa with open work conditions so they visa with open work conditions so they and visa with open work conditions so they and their visa with open work conditions so they and their employers visa with open work conditions so they and their employers won't visa with open work conditions so they and their employers won't be they and their employers won't be affected they and their employers won't be affected by they and their employers won't be affected by these they and their employers won't be affected by these changes they and their employers won't be affected by these changes and they and their employers won't be affected by these changes and we they and their employers won't be affected by these changes and we can affected by these changes and we can affected by these changes and we can affected by these changes and we can keep the affected by these changes and we can keep the skills affected by these changes and we can keep the skills that affected by these changes and we can keep the skills that we affected by these changes and we can keep the skills that we need affected by these changes and we can keep the skills that we need within keep the skills that we need within the keep the skills that we need within the country. keep the skills that we need within the country. Question keep the skills that we need within the country. Question No. keep the skills that we need within the country. Question No. 7, the country. Question No. 7, participating the country. Question No. 7, participating remotely. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: of Police: Does of Police: Does she of Police: Does she agree of Police: Does she agree that of Police: Does she agree that youth Does she agree that youth offending offending is offending is driven offending is driven by offending is driven by income offending is driven by income deprivation, is driven by income deprivation, mental is driven by income deprivation, mental health is driven by income deprivation, mental health challenges, mental health challenges, and mental health challenges, and trauma; and trauma; if and trauma; if so, and trauma; if so, how and trauma; if so, how will and trauma; if so, how will $500 and trauma; if so, how will $500 million and trauma; if so, how will $500 million for if so, how will $500 million for more if so, how will $500 million for more police if so, how will $500 million for more police on if so, how will $500 million for more police on the if so, how will $500 million for more police on the street more police on the street reduce more police on the street reduce youth more police on the street reduce youth offending? The The Hon The Hon Poto The Hon Poto Williams. The Hon Poto Williams. Thank The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Yes, The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Yes, this The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Yes, this Government The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Yes, this Government is The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Yes, this Government is committed The Hon Poto Williams. Thank you. Yes, this Government is committed to Yes, this Government is committed to addressing Yes, this Government is committed to addressing the Yes, this Government is committed to addressing the drivers Yes, this Government is committed to addressing the drivers of Yes, this Government is committed to addressing the drivers of offending, addressing the drivers of offending, which addressing the drivers of offending, which requires addressing the drivers of offending, which requires an addressing the drivers of offending, which requires an all-of-community which requires an all-of-community response. which requires an all-of-community response. It which requires an all-of-community response. It is which requires an all-of-community response. It is important which requires an all-of-community response. It is important to which requires an all-of-community response. It is important to note response. It is important to note that response. It is important to note that while response. It is important to note that while Budget response. It is important to note that while Budget '22 response. It is important to note that while Budget '22 sees response. It is important to note that while Budget '22 sees record that while Budget '22 sees record investment that while Budget '22 sees record investment into that while Budget '22 sees record investment into our that while Budget '22 sees record investment into our police, that while Budget '22 sees record investment into our police, this that while Budget '22 sees record investment into our police, this is investment into our police, this is not investment into our police, this is not just investment into our police, this is not just funding investment into our police, this is not just funding for investment into our police, this is not just funding for more investment into our police, this is not just funding for more police not just funding for more police officers. not just funding for more police officers. Of not just funding for more police officers. Of the not just funding for more police officers. Of the $562 not just funding for more police officers. Of the $562 million, not just funding for more police officers. Of the $562 million, $208 officers. Of the $562 million, $208 million officers. Of the $562 million, $208 million is officers. Of the $562 million, $208 million is to officers. Of the $562 million, $208 million is to deliver officers. Of the $562 million, $208 million is to deliver the officers. 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And communities and whanau to address offending. And $12 communities and whanau to address offending. And $12 million communities and whanau to address offending. And $12 million to offending. And $12 million to provide offending. And $12 million to provide more offending. And $12 million to provide more support offending. And $12 million to provide more support for offending. And $12 million to provide more support for victims offending. And $12 million to provide more support for victims of provide more support for victims of serious provide more support for victims of serious crime. provide more support for victims of serious crime. The provide more support for victims of serious crime. The additional serious crime. The additional funding serious crime. The additional funding through serious crime. The additional funding through Budget serious crime. The additional funding through Budget 22 serious crime. The additional funding through Budget 22 is serious crime. The additional funding through Budget 22 is about funding through Budget 22 is about having funding through Budget 22 is about having a funding through Budget 22 is about having a strong funding through Budget 22 is about having a strong enforcement having a strong enforcement capability having a strong enforcement capability available, having a strong enforcement capability available, while having a strong enforcement capability available, while at having a strong enforcement capability available, while at the capability available, while at the same capability available, while at the same time capability available, while at the same time having capability available, while at the same time having smart capability available, while at the same time having smart prevention same time having smart prevention programmes same time having smart prevention programmes in same time having smart prevention programmes in place. same time having smart prevention programmes in place. 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Is the Minister aware that Is the Minister aware that approximately Is the Minister aware that approximately 90% Is the Minister aware that approximately 90% of Is the Minister aware that approximately 90% of young Is the Minister aware that approximately 90% of young people approximately 90% of young people who approximately 90% of young people who are approximately 90% of young people who are detained approximately 90% of young people who are detained have approximately 90% of young people who are detained have what approximately 90% of young people who are detained have what is who are detained have what is described who are detained have what is described as who are detained have what is described as a who are detained have what is described as a serious who are detained have what is described as a serious learning described as a serious learning disability, described as a serious learning disability, and, described as a serious learning disability, and, on described as a serious learning disability, and, on average, described as a serious learning disability, and, on average, have disability, and, on average, have had disability, and, on average, have had at disability, and, on average, have had at least disability, and, on average, have had at least two disability, and, on average, have had at least two traumatic disability, and, on average, have had at least two traumatic life had at least two traumatic life events? had at least two traumatic life events? If had at least two traumatic life events? If so, had at least two traumatic life events? If so, how had at least two traumatic life events? If so, how will had at least two traumatic life events? If so, how will more had at least two traumatic life events? If so, how will more police events? If so, how will more police on events? If so, how will more police on the events? If so, how will more police on the streets events? If so, how will more police on the streets address events? If so, how will more police on the streets address this? events? If so, how will more police on the streets address this? To on the streets address this? To address on the streets address this? To address youth on the streets address this? To address youth offending, on the streets address this? To address youth offending, we on the streets address this? To address youth offending, we need on the streets address this? To address youth offending, we need an address youth offending, we need an all-of-community address youth offending, we need an all-of-community response. address youth offending, we need an all-of-community response. And all-of-community response. And police all-of-community response. And police recognise all-of-community response. And police recognise their all-of-community response. And police recognise their role all-of-community response. And police recognise their role in all-of-community response. And police recognise their role in that. police recognise their role in that. That's police recognise their role in that. That's why police recognise their role in that. That's why we've police recognise their role in that. That's why we've added police recognise their role in that. That's why we've added 10 police recognise their role in that. 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Will more police on the street be Will more police on the street be counterproductive Will more police on the street be counterproductive in Will more police on the street be counterproductive in keeping counterproductive in keeping Rangatahi counterproductive in keeping Rangatahi Maori counterproductive in keeping Rangatahi Maori safe counterproductive in keeping Rangatahi Maori safe from counterproductive in keeping Rangatahi Maori safe from crime, Rangatahi Maori safe from crime, when Rangatahi Maori safe from crime, when they're Rangatahi Maori safe from crime, when they're more Rangatahi Maori safe from crime, when they're more than Rangatahi Maori safe from crime, when they're more than seven Rangatahi Maori safe from crime, when they're more than seven times when they're more than seven times likely when they're more than seven times likely to when they're more than seven times likely to be when they're more than seven times likely to be on when they're more than seven times likely to be on the when they're more than seven times likely to be on the end when they're more than seven times likely to be on the end of when they're more than seven times likely to be on the end of police likely to be on the end of police force, likely to be on the end of police force, and likely to be on the end of police force, and nine likely to be on the end of police force, and nine times likely to be on the end of police force, and nine times more likely to be on the end of police force, and nine times more to likely to be on the end of police force, and nine times more to be force, and nine times more to be retained? force, and nine times more to be retained? 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Does she agree with the former Children's Commissioner, former Children's Commissioner, Judge former Children's Commissioner, Judge Andrew former Children's Commissioner, Judge Andrew Beecroft, former Children's Commissioner, Judge Andrew Beecroft, that Judge Andrew Beecroft, that remanding Judge Andrew Beecroft, that remanding children Judge Andrew Beecroft, that remanding children and Judge Andrew Beecroft, that remanding children and young Judge Andrew Beecroft, that remanding children and young people remanding children and young people in remanding children and young people in police remanding children and young people in police cells, remanding children and young people in police cells, together remanding children and young people in police cells, together with remanding children and young people in police cells, together with adult in police cells, together with adult detainees, in police cells, together with adult detainees, is in police cells, together with adult detainees, is completely detainees, is completely unacceptable? detainees, is completely unacceptable? And, detainees, is completely unacceptable? And, if detainees, is completely unacceptable? And, if so, detainees, is completely unacceptable? And, if so, will detainees, is completely unacceptable? And, if so, will she unacceptable? And, if so, will she divert unacceptable? And, if so, will she divert the unacceptable? And, if so, will she divert the funding unacceptable? And, if so, will she divert the funding into unacceptable? And, if so, will she divert the funding into addressing divert the funding into addressing this divert the funding into addressing this breach divert the funding into addressing this breach in divert the funding into addressing this breach in police divert the funding into addressing this breach in police cells? divert the funding into addressing this breach in police cells? I divert the funding into addressing this breach in police cells? I do this breach in police cells? I do agree. this breach in police cells? I do agree. And this breach in police cells? 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Supermarkets are also working to ensure pricing working to ensure pricing information working to ensure pricing information is working to ensure pricing information is simple working to ensure pricing information is simple and working to ensure pricing information is simple and easy working to ensure pricing information is simple and easy to information is simple and easy to understand, information is simple and easy to understand, and information is simple and easy to understand, and that information is simple and easy to understand, and that loyalty understand, and that loyalty programmes understand, and that loyalty programmes and understand, and that loyalty programmes and data understand, and that loyalty programmes and data collection understand, and that loyalty programmes and data collection have programmes and data collection have clear programmes and data collection have clear and programmes and data collection have clear and transparent programmes and data collection have clear and transparent disclosures. clear and transparent disclosures. And clear and transparent disclosures. And supermarkets clear and transparent disclosures. And supermarkets and clear and transparent disclosures. And supermarkets and other And supermarkets and other stakeholders And supermarkets and other stakeholders are And supermarkets and other stakeholders are already And supermarkets and other stakeholders are already meeting And supermarkets and other stakeholders are already meeting to stakeholders are already meeting to progress stakeholders are already meeting to progress a stakeholders are already meeting to progress a mandatory stakeholders are already meeting to progress a mandatory code stakeholders are already meeting to progress a mandatory code of progress a mandatory code of conduct. progress a mandatory code of conduct. These progress a mandatory code of conduct. These things progress a mandatory code of conduct. These things were progress a mandatory code of conduct. These things were not conduct. 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This for a very long time. This Government for a very long time. This Government does for a very long time. This Government does not for a very long time. This Government does not believe for a very long time. This Government does not believe Kiwis Government does not believe Kiwis should Government does not believe Kiwis should have Government does not believe Kiwis should have to Government does not believe Kiwis should have to spend Government does not believe Kiwis should have to spend so Government does not believe Kiwis should have to spend so much Government does not believe Kiwis should have to spend so much on Government does not believe Kiwis should have to spend so much on the should have to spend so much on the basics, should have to spend so much on the basics, especially should have to spend so much on the basics, especially when should have to spend so much on the basics, especially when supermarkets basics, especially when supermarkets are basics, especially when supermarkets are earning basics, especially when supermarkets are earning in basics, especially when supermarkets are earning in excess basics, especially when supermarkets are earning in excess of basics, especially when supermarkets are earning in excess of a basics, especially when supermarkets are earning in excess of a million are earning in excess of a million dollars are earning in excess of a million dollars in are earning in excess of a million dollars in excess are earning in excess of a million dollars in excess profits are earning in excess of a million dollars in excess profits every are earning in excess of a million dollars in excess profits every day. dollars in excess profits every day. Addressing dollars in excess profits every day. Addressing the dollars in excess profits every day. Addressing the rising dollars in excess profits every day. Addressing the rising cost dollars in excess profits every day. Addressing the rising cost of Addressing the rising cost of groceries Addressing the rising cost of groceries was Addressing the rising cost of groceries was a Addressing the rising cost of groceries was a Labour Addressing the rising cost of groceries was a Labour campaign groceries was a Labour campaign promise groceries was a Labour campaign promise at groceries was a Labour campaign promise at the groceries was a Labour campaign promise at the last groceries was a Labour campaign promise at the last election, groceries was a Labour campaign promise at the last election, and groceries was a Labour campaign promise at the last election, and I promise at the last election, and I look promise at the last election, and I look forward promise at the last election, and I look forward to promise at the last election, and I look forward to formally promise at the last election, and I look forward to formally responding look forward to formally responding on look forward to formally responding on behalf look forward to formally responding on behalf of look forward to formally responding on behalf of the look forward to formally responding on behalf of the Government look forward to formally responding on behalf of the Government to look forward to formally responding on behalf of the Government to the on behalf of the Government to the Commerce on behalf of the Government to the Commerce Commission's Commerce Commission's recommendations Commerce Commission's recommendations in Commerce Commission's recommendations in the Commerce Commission's recommendations in the coming Commerce Commission's recommendations in the coming weeks. recommendations in the coming weeks. In recommendations in the coming weeks. In terms recommendations in the coming weeks. In terms of recommendations in the coming weeks. In terms of the recommendations in the coming weeks. In terms of the figure recommendations in the coming weeks. In terms of the figure of recommendations in the coming weeks. In terms of the figure of $1 recommendations in the coming weeks. 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I'm just trying to work out whether my friend trying to work out whether my friend and trying to work out whether my friend and colleague trying to work out whether my friend and colleague is trying to work out whether my friend and colleague is gonna trying to work out whether my friend and colleague is gonna have trying to work out whether my friend and colleague is gonna have an and colleague is gonna have an early... and colleague is gonna have an early... I and colleague is gonna have an early... I think and colleague is gonna have an early... I think he and colleague is gonna have an early... I think he will and colleague is gonna have an early... I think he will withdraw early... I think he will withdraw and early... I think he will withdraw and apologise. early... I think he will withdraw and apologise. He early... I think he will withdraw and apologise. He absolutely early... I think he will withdraw and apologise. He absolutely knows and apologise. 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If it wasn't for the prevalence of such behaviour today prevalence of such behaviour today in prevalence of such behaviour today in other prevalence of such behaviour today in other parts prevalence of such behaviour today in other parts of prevalence of such behaviour today in other parts of the prevalence of such behaviour today in other parts of the House, prevalence of such behaviour today in other parts of the House, I prevalence of such behaviour today in other parts of the House, I think in other parts of the House, I think the in other parts of the House, I think the member in other parts of the House, I think the member would in other parts of the House, I think the member would be in other parts of the House, I think the member would be having in other parts of the House, I think the member would be having an in other parts of the House, I think the member would be having an early the member would be having an early shower. the member would be having an early shower. He the member would be having an early shower. He will the member would be having an early shower. He will withdraw the member would be having an early shower. He will withdraw and shower. He will withdraw and apologise. shower. He will withdraw and apologise. I shower. He will withdraw and apologise. I withdraw shower. He will withdraw and apologise. I withdraw and shower. He will withdraw and apologise. I withdraw and apologise. apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Question apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Question No. apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Question No. 12. apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Question No. 12. Simeon apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Question No. 12. Simeon Brown. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: of Transport: Is of Transport: Is he of Transport: Is he confident of Transport: Is he confident NZTA Is he confident NZTA is Is he confident NZTA is meeting Is he confident NZTA is meeting his Is he confident NZTA is meeting his expectation is meeting his expectation of is meeting his expectation of "responsible is meeting his expectation of "responsible and is meeting his expectation of "responsible and proportionate of "responsible and proportionate spending"; spending"; if spending"; if so, spending"; if so, is spending"; if so, is he spending"; if so, is he satisfied if so, is he satisfied that if so, is he satisfied that NZTA's if so, is he satisfied that NZTA's spending that NZTA's spending is that NZTA's spending is giving that NZTA's spending is giving taxpayers that NZTA's spending is giving taxpayers good that NZTA's spending is giving taxpayers good value that NZTA's spending is giving taxpayers good value for is giving taxpayers good value for money? 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And at the same time I continue to advise all time I continue to advise all agencies time I continue to advise all agencies that time I continue to advise all agencies that I time I continue to advise all agencies that I am time I continue to advise all agencies that I am responsible time I continue to advise all agencies that I am responsible for agencies that I am responsible for about agencies that I am responsible for about my agencies that I am responsible for about my expectations agencies that I am responsible for about my expectations around about my expectations around spending. about my expectations around spending. However, about my expectations around spending. However, on about my expectations around spending. However, on this about my expectations around spending. However, on this side about my expectations around spending. However, on this side of spending. However, on this side of the spending. However, on this side of the House, spending. 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However, on this side of the House, we are unapologetic about the House, we are unapologetic about supporting the House, we are unapologetic about supporting it the House, we are unapologetic about supporting it to the House, we are unapologetic about supporting it to transition the House, we are unapologetic about supporting it to transition on the House, we are unapologetic about supporting it to transition on an supporting it to transition on an agency supporting it to transition on an agency solely supporting it to transition on an agency solely focused supporting it to transition on an agency solely focused and supporting it to transition on an agency solely focused and building agency solely focused and building roads agency solely focused and building roads to agency solely focused and building roads to one agency solely focused and building roads to one with agency solely focused and building roads to one with a agency solely focused and building roads to one with a set agency solely focused and building roads to one with a set of agency solely focused and building roads to one with a set of broader roads to one with a set of broader objectives roads to one with a set of broader objectives around roads to one with a set of broader objectives around climate roads to one with a set of broader objectives around climate and roads to one with a set of broader objectives around climate and safety objectives around climate and safety ambitions. objectives around climate and safety ambitions. It objectives around climate and safety ambitions. It did objectives around climate and safety ambitions. It did not objectives around climate and safety ambitions. It did not have objectives around climate and safety ambitions. It did not have the ambitions. It did not have the resources ambitions. It did not have the resources to ambitions. It did not have the resources to deliver ambitions. It did not have the resources to deliver on ambitions. It did not have the resources to deliver on that ambitions. It did not have the resources to deliver on that vision. resources to deliver on that vision. That's resources to deliver on that vision. That's why resources to deliver on that vision. That's why we've resources to deliver on that vision. That's why we've increased resources to deliver on that vision. That's why we've increased its That's why we've increased its resourcing That's why we've increased its resourcing to That's why we've increased its resourcing to provide That's why we've increased its resourcing to provide decent That's why we've increased its resourcing to provide decent public resourcing to provide decent public transport resourcing to provide decent public transport in resourcing to provide decent public transport in our resourcing to provide decent public transport in our cities. resourcing to provide decent public transport in our cities. And resourcing to provide decent public transport in our cities. And that's transport in our cities. And that's why transport in our cities. And that's why we've transport in our cities. And that's why we've increased transport in our cities. And that's why we've increased its transport in our cities. And that's why we've increased its resourcing why we've increased its resourcing to why we've increased its resourcing to run why we've increased its resourcing to run a why we've increased its resourcing to run a fit-for-purpose why we've increased its resourcing to run a fit-for-purpose and why we've increased its resourcing to run a fit-for-purpose and safe to run a fit-for-purpose and safe regulatory to run a fit-for-purpose and safe regulatory system to run a fit-for-purpose and safe regulatory system in to run a fit-for-purpose and safe regulatory system in place to run a fit-for-purpose and safe regulatory system in place of to run a fit-for-purpose and safe regulatory system in place of the regulatory system in place of the broken regulatory system in place of the broken one regulatory system in place of the broken one we regulatory system in place of the broken one we inherited regulatory system in place of the broken one we inherited that broken one we inherited that probably broken one we inherited that probably cost broken one we inherited that probably cost at broken one we inherited that probably cost at least broken one we inherited that probably cost at least one broken one we inherited that probably cost at least one person probably cost at least one person their probably cost at least one person their lives probably cost at least one person their lives under probably cost at least one person their lives under the probably cost at least one person their lives under the previous their lives under the previous Government's their lives under the previous Government's system. their lives under the previous Government's system. Mr their lives under the previous Government's system. Mr Speaker, Government's system. Mr Speaker, there Government's system. Mr Speaker, there are Government's system. Mr Speaker, there are a Government's system. Mr Speaker, there are a wider Government's system. Mr Speaker, there are a wider range Government's system. Mr Speaker, there are a wider range of there are a wider range of objectives there are a wider range of objectives we there are a wider range of objectives we have there are a wider range of objectives we have for there are a wider range of objectives we have for the there are a wider range of objectives we have for the transport objectives we have for the transport system. objectives we have for the transport system. We'll objectives we have for the transport system. We'll continue objectives we have for the transport system. We'll continue to objectives we have for the transport system. We'll continue to keep objectives we have for the transport system. We'll continue to keep an system. We'll continue to keep an eye system. We'll continue to keep an eye on system. We'll continue to keep an eye on appropriate system. We'll continue to keep an eye on appropriate spending system. We'll continue to keep an eye on appropriate spending but system. We'll continue to keep an eye on appropriate spending but also eye on appropriate spending but also we're eye on appropriate spending but also we're gonna eye on appropriate spending but also we're gonna keep eye on appropriate spending but also we're gonna keep an eye on appropriate spending but also we're gonna keep an eye eye on appropriate spending but also we're gonna keep an eye on eye on appropriate spending but also we're gonna keep an eye on those we're gonna keep an eye on those objectives we're gonna keep an eye on those objectives and we're gonna keep an eye on those objectives and not we're gonna keep an eye on those objectives and not constantly we're gonna keep an eye on those objectives and not constantly be objectives and not constantly be down objectives and not constantly be down just objectives and not constantly be down just in objectives and not constantly be down just in the objectives and not constantly be down just in the weeds. objectives and not constantly be down just in the weeds. Why objectives and not constantly be down just in the weeds. Why has objectives and not constantly be down just in the weeds. Why has the down just in the weeds. Why has the number down just in the weeds. Why has the number of down just in the weeds. Why has the number of communications down just in the weeds. Why has the number of communications staff down just in the weeds. Why has the number of communications staff NZTA number of communications staff NZTA more number of communications staff NZTA more than number of communications staff NZTA more than doubled number of communications staff NZTA more than doubled from number of communications staff NZTA more than doubled from 32 number of communications staff NZTA more than doubled from 32 in number of communications staff NZTA more than doubled from 32 in 2017 number of communications staff NZTA more than doubled from 32 in 2017 to more than doubled from 32 in 2017 to 88 more than doubled from 32 in 2017 to 88 last more than doubled from 32 in 2017 to 88 last year, more than doubled from 32 in 2017 to 88 last year, and more than doubled from 32 in 2017 to 88 last year, and why more than doubled from 32 in 2017 to 88 last year, and why does more than doubled from 32 in 2017 to 88 last year, and why does NZTA more than doubled from 32 in 2017 to 88 last year, and why does NZTA need 88 last year, and why does NZTA need twice 88 last year, and why does NZTA need twice as 88 last year, and why does NZTA need twice as much 88 last year, and why does NZTA need twice as much help 88 last year, and why does NZTA need twice as much help with twice as much help with communications twice as much help with communications under twice as much help with communications under this twice as much help with communications under this Minister's communications under this Minister's watch? communications under this Minister's watch? I communications under this Minister's watch? I note communications under this Minister's watch? I note two communications under this Minister's watch? I note two points communications under this Minister's watch? I note two points in communications under this Minister's watch? I note two points in response watch? I note two points in response to watch? I note two points in response to the watch? I note two points in response to the member's watch? I note two points in response to the member's question. watch? I note two points in response to the member's question. The watch? I note two points in response to the member's question. The first to the member's question. The first is to the member's question. The first is that to the member's question. The first is that it to the member's question. The first is that it is to the member's question. The first is that it is conducting to the member's question. The first is that it is conducting more to the member's question. The first is that it is conducting more of is that it is conducting more of that is that it is conducting more of that activity is that it is conducting more of that activity from is that it is conducting more of that activity from within is that it is conducting more of that activity from within its is that it is conducting more of that activity from within its own that activity from within its own resources that activity from within its own resources and that activity from within its own resources and actually that activity from within its own resources and actually has that activity from within its own resources and actually has fewer resources and actually has fewer external resources and actually has fewer external contractors resources and actually has fewer external contractors doing resources and actually has fewer external contractors doing that resources and actually has fewer external contractors doing that work external contractors doing that work than external contractors doing that work than it external contractors doing that work than it did external contractors doing that work than it did in external contractors doing that work than it did in the external contractors doing that work than it did in the 2017/2018 external contractors doing that work than it did in the 2017/2018 year. than it did in the 2017/2018 year. Secondly, than it did in the 2017/2018 year. Secondly, what than it did in the 2017/2018 year. Secondly, what I than it did in the 2017/2018 year. Secondly, what I note than it did in the 2017/2018 year. Secondly, what I note is than it did in the 2017/2018 year. Secondly, what I note is that than it did in the 2017/2018 year. 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How link, or with the Auckland community about the Eastern Busway. How many about the Eastern Busway. How many of about the Eastern Busway. How many of those about the Eastern Busway. How many of those 88 about the Eastern Busway. How many of those 88 communications about the Eastern Busway. How many of those 88 communications staff of those 88 communications staff were of those 88 communications staff were dedicated of those 88 communications staff were dedicated to of those 88 communications staff were dedicated to the of those 88 communications staff were dedicated to the Auckland of those 88 communications staff were dedicated to the Auckland light were dedicated to the Auckland light rail were dedicated to the Auckland light rail project? were dedicated to the Auckland light rail project? And were dedicated to the Auckland light rail project? And how were dedicated to the Auckland light rail project? And how many were dedicated to the Auckland light rail project? 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What Aucklanders expect of us is that we actually are of us is that we actually are serious of us is that we actually are serious about of us is that we actually are serious about building of us is that we actually are serious about building a serious about building a fit-for-purpose serious about building a fit-for-purpose public serious about building a fit-for-purpose public transport fit-for-purpose public transport system fit-for-purpose public transport system for fit-for-purpose public transport system for their fit-for-purpose public transport system for their city fit-for-purpose public transport system for their city after fit-for-purpose public transport system for their city after 50 fit-for-purpose public transport system for their city after 50 years system for their city after 50 years of system for their city after 50 years of neglect. system for their city after 50 years of neglect. We'll system for their city after 50 years of neglect. 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Perhaps significant projects are implemented and are built. Perhaps if significant projects are implemented and are built. Perhaps if the and are built. Perhaps if the previous and are built. Perhaps if the previous Government and are built. Perhaps if the previous Government had and are built. Perhaps if the previous Government had put and are built. Perhaps if the previous Government had put more and are built. Perhaps if the previous Government had put more of previous Government had put more of that previous Government had put more of that up-front previous Government had put more of that up-front investment previous Government had put more of that up-front investment in that up-front investment in Transmission that up-front investment in Transmission Gully, that up-front investment in Transmission Gully, it that up-front investment in Transmission Gully, it wouldn't that up-front investment in Transmission Gully, it wouldn't have Transmission Gully, it wouldn't have turned Transmission Gully, it wouldn't have turned into Transmission Gully, it wouldn't have turned into such Transmission Gully, it wouldn't have turned into such a Transmission Gully, it wouldn't have turned into such a mess Transmission Gully, it wouldn't have turned into such a mess that Transmission Gully, it wouldn't have turned into such a mess that we Transmission Gully, it wouldn't have turned into such a mess that we had turned into such a mess that we had to turned into such a mess that we had to clean turned into such a mess that we had to clean up. turned into such a mess that we had to clean up. What turned into such a mess that we had to clean up. What value turned into such a mess that we had to clean up. What value have to clean up. What value have taxpayers to clean up. What value have taxpayers received to clean up. What value have taxpayers received from to clean up. What value have taxpayers received from two to clean up. 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