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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. No No petitions, No petitions, or No petitions, or reports No petitions, or reports or No petitions, or reports or bills No petitions, or reports or bills have No petitions, or reports or bills have been No petitions, or reports or bills have been delivered No petitions, or reports or bills have been delivered to No petitions, or reports or bills have been delivered to the No petitions, or reports or bills have been delivered to the Clerk No petitions, or reports or bills have been delivered to the Clerk for have been delivered to the Clerk for presentation. Ministers Ministers have Ministers have delivered Ministers have delivered papers. Ministers have delivered papers. Statement Ministers have delivered papers. Statement of Ministers have delivered papers. Statement of Performance Statement of Performance Expectations Statement of Performance Expectations 2022/23, Expectations 2022/23, Crown Expectations 2022/23, Crown Regional Expectations 2022/23, Crown Regional Holdings Expectations 2022/23, Crown Regional Holdings Limited, Crown Regional Holdings Limited, Education Crown Regional Holdings Limited, Education Payroll I I present I present the I present the report I present the report entitled I present the report entitled "improving I present the report entitled "improving value I present the report entitled "improving value through I present the report entitled "improving value through having "improving value through having better "improving value through having better Crown "improving value through having better Crown entity "improving value through having better Crown entity monitoring." better Crown entity monitoring." Those better Crown entity monitoring." Those papers better Crown entity monitoring." Those papers are better Crown entity monitoring." Those papers are published better Crown entity monitoring." Those papers are published under better Crown entity monitoring." Those papers are published under the Those papers are published under the authority Those papers are published under the authority of Those papers are published under the authority of the Those papers are published under the authority of the House. authority of the House. I authority of the House. I want authority of the House. I want to authority of the House. I want to thank authority of the House. I want to thank my authority of the House. I want to thank my assistants I want to thank my assistants earlier I want to thank my assistants earlier in I want to thank my assistants earlier in the I want to thank my assistants earlier in the parade. I want to thank my assistants earlier in the parade. I I want to thank my assistants earlier in the parade. I used I want to thank my assistants earlier in the parade. I used to earlier in the parade. I used to think earlier in the parade. I used to think Camo earlier in the parade. I used to think Camo was earlier in the parade. I used to think Camo was a earlier in the parade. I used to think Camo was a All earlier in the parade. I used to think Camo was a All Black earlier in the parade. I used to think Camo was a All Black but earlier in the parade. I used to think Camo was a All Black but it's think Camo was a All Black but it's a think Camo was a All Black but it's a place think Camo was a All Black but it's a place as think Camo was a All Black but it's a place as well. The The House The House comes The House comes to The House comes to Oral The House comes to Oral Questions. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1. 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The commitments will be med in this budget. The past commitments will be med in this budget. The past three commitments will be med in this budget. The past three years commitments will be med in this budget. The past three years have budget. The past three years have demonstrated budget. The past three years have demonstrated the budget. The past three years have demonstrated the benefits budget. The past three years have demonstrated the benefits of budget. The past three years have demonstrated the benefits of careful demonstrated the benefits of careful management demonstrated the benefits of careful management and demonstrated the benefits of careful management and targeted demonstrated the benefits of careful management and targeted investment. management and targeted investment. Our management and targeted investment. Our strong management and targeted investment. Our strong position management and targeted investment. Our strong position means management and targeted investment. Our strong position means we management and targeted investment. Our strong position means we have management and targeted investment. Our strong position means we have an Our strong position means we have an opportunity Our strong position means we have an opportunity over Our strong position means we have an opportunity over time Our strong position means we have an opportunity over time to Our strong position means we have an opportunity over time to bring Our strong position means we have an opportunity over time to bring down opportunity over time to bring down debt opportunity over time to bring down debt and opportunity over time to bring down debt and put opportunity over time to bring down debt and put the opportunity over time to bring down debt and put the government's opportunity over time to bring down debt and put the government's books debt and put the government's books on debt and put the government's books on a debt and put the government's books on a path debt and put the government's books on a path to debt and put the government's books on a path to surplus debt and put the government's books on a path to surplus but debt and put the government's books on a path to surplus but our on a path to surplus but our balanced on a path to surplus but our balanced approach on a path to surplus but our balanced approach will on a path to surplus but our balanced approach will see on a path to surplus but our balanced approach will see money balanced approach will see money opened balanced approach will see money opened up balanced approach will see money opened up for balanced approach will see money opened up for investment balanced approach will see money opened up for investment into opened up for investment into infrastructure opened up for investment into infrastructure in opened up for investment into infrastructure in the opened up for investment into infrastructure in the coming opened up for investment into infrastructure in the coming decade infrastructure in the coming decade so infrastructure in the coming decade so we infrastructure in the coming decade so we don't infrastructure in the coming decade so we don't leave infrastructure in the coming decade so we don't leave the infrastructure in the coming decade so we don't leave the next infrastructure in the coming decade so we don't leave the next Jebration so we don't leave the next Jebration with so we don't leave the next Jebration with debt so we don't leave the next Jebration with debt of so we don't leave the next Jebration with debt of another so we don't leave the next Jebration with debt of another kind. so we don't leave the next Jebration with debt of another kind. 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Our levels of debt since the labour force survey began. Our levels of debt among since the labour force survey began. Our levels of debt among the since the labour force survey began. Our levels of debt among the lowest Our levels of debt among the lowest in Our levels of debt among the lowest in the Our levels of debt among the lowest in the OECD. Our levels of debt among the lowest in the OECD. We've Our levels of debt among the lowest in the OECD. We've lifted Our levels of debt among the lowest in the OECD. We've lifted more Our levels of debt among the lowest in the OECD. We've lifted more than in the OECD. We've lifted more than 66,000 in the OECD. We've lifted more than 66,000 children in the OECD. We've lifted more than 66,000 children out in the OECD. We've lifted more than 66,000 children out of in the OECD. We've lifted more than 66,000 children out of poverty. 66,000 children out of poverty. We've 66,000 children out of poverty. We've seen 66,000 children out of poverty. 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Things are tough for many households and businesses at this households and businesses at this time households and businesses at this time and households and businesses at this time and the households and businesses at this time and the Government households and businesses at this time and the Government is households and businesses at this time and the Government is stepping time and the Government is stepping up time and the Government is stepping up to time and the Government is stepping up to support time and the Government is stepping up to support them. up to support them. Was up to support them. Was it up to support them. Was it the up to support them. Was it the Government's up to support them. 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Does the Acting PM regret lecturing New Acting PM regret lecturing New Zealanders Acting PM regret lecturing New Zealanders about Acting PM regret lecturing New Zealanders about KiwiBuild Acting PM regret lecturing New Zealanders about KiwiBuild and Acting PM regret lecturing New Zealanders about KiwiBuild and how Zealanders about KiwiBuild and how it Zealanders about KiwiBuild and how it would Zealanders about KiwiBuild and how it would deliver Zealanders about KiwiBuild and how it would deliver 100,000 Zealanders about KiwiBuild and how it would deliver 100,000 homes Zealanders about KiwiBuild and how it would deliver 100,000 homes to it would deliver 100,000 homes to solve it would deliver 100,000 homes to solve the it would deliver 100,000 homes to solve the housing it would deliver 100,000 homes to solve the housing crisis, it would deliver 100,000 homes to solve the housing crisis, when it would deliver 100,000 homes to solve the housing crisis, when in solve the housing crisis, when in fact solve the housing crisis, when in fact only solve the housing crisis, when in fact only 1,300 solve the housing crisis, when in fact only 1,300 have solve the housing crisis, when in fact only 1,300 have been fact only 1,300 have been aboutility? fact only 1,300 have been aboutility? 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Question No. member that's what got Mr Seymour in trouble yesterday. Question No. 2, trouble yesterday. Question No. 2, Ingrid trouble yesterday. Question No. 2, Ingrid Leary. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: What Finance: What recent Finance: What recent reports Finance: What recent reports has Finance: What recent reports has he Finance: What recent reports has he seen Finance: What recent reports has he seen on What recent reports has he seen on the What recent reports has he seen on the New What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy? 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In did report that food prices were up 6.4% on the previous month. In the 6.4% on the previous month. In the face 6.4% on the previous month. In the face of 6.4% on the previous month. In the face of rising 6.4% on the previous month. In the face of rising prices, 6.4% on the previous month. In the face of rising prices, the face of rising prices, the Government face of rising prices, the Government has face of rising prices, the Government has intervened face of rising prices, the Government has intervened directly Government has intervened directly to Government has intervened directly to make Government has intervened directly to make sure Government has intervened directly to make sure we Government has intervened directly to make sure we have Government has intervened directly to make sure we have greater to make sure we have greater competition to make sure we have greater competition in to make sure we have greater competition in the to make sure we have greater competition in the supermarkets competition in the supermarkets sector competition in the supermarkets sector which competition in the supermarkets sector which will competition in the supermarkets sector which will flow competition in the supermarkets sector which will flow through competition in the supermarkets sector which will flow through to sector which will flow through to better sector which will flow through to better outcomes sector which will flow through to better outcomes at sector which will flow through to better outcomes at the sector which will flow through to better outcomes at the check-out. better outcomes at the check-out. 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Along with this action, my colleague, the Minister action, my colleague, the Minister for action, my colleague, the Minister for Commerce action, my colleague, the Minister for Commerce and action, my colleague, the Minister for Commerce and Consumer action, my colleague, the Minister for Commerce and Consumer Affairs for Commerce and Consumer Affairs has for Commerce and Consumer Affairs has noted for Commerce and Consumer Affairs has noted we for Commerce and Consumer Affairs has noted we will for Commerce and Consumer Affairs has noted we will shortly for Commerce and Consumer Affairs has noted we will shortly consult for Commerce and Consumer Affairs has noted we will shortly consult on has noted we will shortly consult on the has noted we will shortly consult on the mandatory has noted we will shortly consult on the mandatory code has noted we will shortly consult on the mandatory code of has noted we will shortly consult on the mandatory code of conduct has noted we will shortly consult on the mandatory code of conduct for the mandatory code of conduct for supermarkets the mandatory code of conduct for supermarkets and the mandatory code of conduct for supermarkets and already the mandatory code of conduct for supermarkets and already have the mandatory code of conduct for supermarkets and already have a the mandatory code of conduct for supermarkets and already have a unit supermarkets and already have a unit pricing supermarkets and already have a unit pricing scheme supermarkets and already have a unit pricing scheme out supermarkets and already have a unit pricing scheme out for supermarkets and already have a unit pricing scheme out for feedback supermarkets and already have a unit pricing scheme out for feedback and pricing scheme out for feedback and have pricing scheme out for feedback and have committed pricing scheme out for feedback and have committed to pricing scheme out for feedback and have committed to making pricing scheme out for feedback and have committed to making sure pricing scheme out for feedback and have committed to making sure we have committed to making sure we open have committed to making sure we open up have committed to making sure we open up the have committed to making sure we open up the wholesale have committed to making sure we open up the wholesale market. have committed to making sure we open up the wholesale market. The open up the wholesale market. The government open up the wholesale market. The government is open up the wholesale market. The government is acting open up the wholesale market. The government is acting directly open up the wholesale market. The government is acting directly to government is acting directly to bring government is acting directly to bring prices government is acting directly to bring prices at government is acting directly to bring prices at the government is acting directly to bring prices at the supermarket bring prices at the supermarket down. bring prices at the supermarket down. Supplementary. bring prices at the supermarket down. Supplementary. What bring prices at the supermarket down. Supplementary. What other down. Supplementary. What other reports down. Supplementary. What other reports has down. Supplementary. What other reports has he down. Supplementary. What other reports has he seen down. Supplementary. What other reports has he seen on down. 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Everyone knows supply discount being $3.05. Everyone knows supply constraints discount being $3.05. Everyone knows supply constraints around discount being $3.05. Everyone knows supply constraints around the discount being $3.05. Everyone knows supply constraints around the world supply constraints around the world and supply constraints around the world and the supply constraints around the world and the Russian supply constraints around the world and the Russian invasion supply constraints around the world and the Russian invasion of supply constraints around the world and the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has pushed and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has pushed up and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has pushed up the and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has pushed up the price and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has pushed up the price of and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has pushed up the price of oil. has pushed up the price of oil. That's has pushed up the price of oil. That's why has pushed up the price of oil. That's why we has pushed up the price of oil. That's why we moved has pushed up the price of oil. That's why we moved quickly has pushed up the price of oil. That's why we moved quickly to has pushed up the price of oil. 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Hapu, iwi and communities know what's best for their work. Hapu, iwi and communities know what's best for their children work. Hapu, iwi and communities know what's best for their children and what's best for their children and need what's best for their children and need to what's best for their children and need to be what's best for their children and need to be empowered what's best for their children and need to be empowered to what's best for their children and need to be empowered to lead need to be empowered to lead decisions need to be empowered to lead decisions locally. need to be empowered to lead decisions locally. Work need to be empowered to lead decisions locally. Work is need to be empowered to lead decisions locally. Work is under need to be empowered to lead decisions locally. Work is under way decisions locally. Work is under way so decisions locally. Work is under way so iwi decisions locally. Work is under way so iwi and decisions locally. Work is under way so iwi and communities decisions locally. Work is under way so iwi and communities are decisions locally. Work is under way so iwi and communities are able decisions locally. Work is under way so iwi and communities are able to so iwi and communities are able to enhance so iwi and communities are able to enhance their so iwi and communities are able to enhance their relevancy so iwi and communities are able to enhance their relevancy and so iwi and communities are able to enhance their relevancy and work so iwi and communities are able to enhance their relevancy and work for enhance their relevancy and work for the enhance their relevancy and work for the Tamariki enhance their relevancy and work for the Tamariki they enhance their relevancy and work for the Tamariki they support. enhance their relevancy and work for the Tamariki they support. How enhance their relevancy and work for the Tamariki they support. How does the Tamariki they support. How does the the Tamariki they support. How does the new the Tamariki they support. How does the new direction the Tamariki they support. How does the new direction support the Tamariki they support. How does the new direction support Tamariki? the new direction support Tamariki? It's the new direction support Tamariki? It's simple. the new direction support Tamariki? It's simple. We're the new direction support Tamariki? It's simple. We're investing the new direction support Tamariki? It's simple. We're investing $23 It's simple. We're investing $23 million It's simple. We're investing $23 million to It's simple. We're investing $23 million to enable It's simple. We're investing $23 million to enable locally It's simple. We're investing $23 million to enable locally led million to enable locally led initiatives million to enable locally led initiatives to million to enable locally led initiatives to be million to enable locally led initiatives to be delivered million to enable locally led initiatives to be delivered by million to enable locally led initiatives to be delivered by iwi, initiatives to be delivered by iwi, communities initiatives to be delivered by iwi, communities and initiatives to be delivered by iwi, communities and partners, initiatives to be delivered by iwi, communities and partners, this initiatives to be delivered by iwi, communities and partners, this will communities and partners, this will improve communities and partners, this will improve iwi communities and partners, this will improve iwi and communities and partners, this will improve iwi and community improve iwi and community collaboration improve iwi and community collaboration and improve iwi and community collaboration and give improve iwi and community collaboration and give these improve iwi and community collaboration and give these groups collaboration and give these groups control collaboration and give these groups control of collaboration and give these groups control of the collaboration and give these groups control of the services collaboration and give these groups control of the services provided. control of the services provided. This control of the services provided. This investment control of the services provided. This investment will control of the services provided. This investment will empower This investment will empower communities This investment will empower communities and This investment will empower communities and Maori This investment will empower communities and Maori to This investment will empower communities and Maori to help communities and Maori to help children communities and Maori to help children and communities and Maori to help children and their communities and Maori to help children and their families communities and Maori to help children and their families in communities and Maori to help children and their families in a communities and Maori to help children and their families in a way children and their families in a way children and their families in a way children and their families in a way that suits children and their families in a way that suits them children and their families in a way that suits them and children and their families in a way that suits them and not children and their families in a way that suits them and not just that suits them and not just Wellington. that suits them and not just Wellington. What that suits them and not just Wellington. What is that suits them and not just Wellington. What is an that suits them and not just Wellington. What is an example that suits them and not just Wellington. What is an example of that suits them and not just Wellington. What is an example of a Wellington. What is an example of a locally Wellington. What is an example of a locally led Wellington. What is an example of a locally led partnership? Wellington. What is an example of a locally led partnership? Mr Wellington. What is an example of a locally led partnership? Mr Speaker, locally led partnership? Mr Speaker, take locally led partnership? Mr Speaker, take the locally led partnership? Mr Speaker, take the whanau locally led partnership? Mr Speaker, take the whanau as locally led partnership? Mr Speaker, take the whanau as first locally led partnership? Mr Speaker, take the whanau as first navigators take the whanau as first navigators programme. take the whanau as first navigators programme. This take the whanau as first navigators programme. This partner take the whanau as first navigators programme. This partner ship take the whanau as first navigators programme. This partner ship in programme. This partner ship in Oranga programme. This partner ship in Oranga Tamariki programme. This partner ship in Oranga Tamariki was programme. This partner ship in Oranga Tamariki was first programme. This partner ship in Oranga Tamariki was first signed programme. This partner ship in Oranga Tamariki was first signed in Oranga Tamariki was first signed in 2018. Oranga Tamariki was first signed in 2018. It's Oranga Tamariki was first signed in 2018. It's uniquely Oranga Tamariki was first signed in 2018. It's uniquely for Oranga Tamariki was first signed in 2018. It's uniquely for Maori Oranga Tamariki was first signed in 2018. It's uniquely for Maori by 2018. It's uniquely for Maori by Maori 2018. It's uniquely for Maori by Maori approach 2018. It's uniquely for Maori by Maori approach has 2018. It's uniquely for Maori by Maori approach has benefited 2018. It's uniquely for Maori by Maori approach has benefited whanau Maori approach has benefited whanau between Maori approach has benefited whanau between 2018 Maori approach has benefited whanau between 2018 and Maori approach has benefited whanau between 2018 and 2021. Maori approach has benefited whanau between 2018 and 2021. The Maori approach has benefited whanau between 2018 and 2021. The number Maori approach has benefited whanau between 2018 and 2021. The number of between 2018 and 2021. The number of Tamariki between 2018 and 2021. The number of Tamariki in between 2018 and 2021. The number of Tamariki in Oranga between 2018 and 2021. The number of Tamariki in Oranga Tamariki's between 2018 and 2021. The number of Tamariki in Oranga Tamariki's care Tamariki in Oranga Tamariki's care dropped Tamariki in Oranga Tamariki's care dropped by Tamariki in Oranga Tamariki's care dropped by almost Tamariki in Oranga Tamariki's care dropped by almost 30%. Tamariki in Oranga Tamariki's care dropped by almost 30%. That's Tamariki in Oranga Tamariki's care dropped by almost 30%. That's why Tamariki in Oranga Tamariki's care dropped by almost 30%. That's why I dropped by almost 30%. That's why I was dropped by almost 30%. That's why I was proud dropped by almost 30%. That's why I was proud to dropped by almost 30%. That's why I was proud to announce dropped by almost 30%. That's why I was proud to announce a dropped by almost 30%. That's why I was proud to announce a further dropped by almost 30%. That's why I was proud to announce a further $25 was proud to announce a further $25 million was proud to announce a further $25 million of was proud to announce a further $25 million of funding was proud to announce a further $25 million of funding last was proud to announce a further $25 million of funding last year was proud to announce a further $25 million of funding last year to million of funding last year to continue million of funding last year to continue this million of funding last year to continue this important million of funding last year to continue this important work. million of funding last year to continue this important work. It's continue this important work. It's an continue this important work. It's an example continue this important work. It's an example of continue this important work. It's an example of Oranga continue this important work. It's an example of Oranga Tammicry continue this important work. It's an example of Oranga Tammicry being an example of Oranga Tammicry being an an example of Oranga Tammicry being an enable an example of Oranga Tammicry being an enable -- an example of Oranga Tammicry being an enable -- Tamariki an example of Oranga Tammicry being an enable -- Tamariki being an example of Oranga Tammicry being an enable -- Tamariki being an an enable -- Tamariki being an enabler, an enable -- Tamariki being an enabler, not an enable -- Tamariki being an enabler, not a an enable -- Tamariki being an enabler, not a dictator. an enable -- Tamariki being an enabler, not a dictator. What an enable -- Tamariki being an enabler, not a dictator. What other enabler, not a dictator. What other work enabler, not a dictator. What other work is enabler, not a dictator. What other work is under enabler, not a dictator. What other work is under way enabler, not a dictator. What other work is under way to enabler, not a dictator. What other work is under way to refresh enabler, not a dictator. What other work is under way to refresh Oranga work is under way to refresh Oranga Tamariki? work is under way to refresh Oranga Tamariki? Last work is under way to refresh Oranga Tamariki? Last year, work is under way to refresh Oranga Tamariki? Last year, this work is under way to refresh Oranga Tamariki? Last year, this Government Tamariki? Last year, this Government accepted Tamariki? Last year, this Government accepted all Tamariki? Last year, this Government accepted all the Tamariki? Last year, this Government accepted all the recommendations Tamariki? Last year, this Government accepted all the recommendations of accepted all the recommendations of the accepted all the recommendations of the Ministerial accepted all the recommendations of the Ministerial advisory accepted all the recommendations of the Ministerial advisory board the Ministerial advisory board appointed the Ministerial advisory board appointed to the Ministerial advisory board appointed to provide the Ministerial advisory board appointed to provide advice the Ministerial advisory board appointed to provide advice on the Ministerial advisory board appointed to provide advice on how appointed to provide advice on how to appointed to provide advice on how to fix appointed to provide advice on how to fix the appointed to provide advice on how to fix the childcare appointed to provide advice on how to fix the childcare and appointed to provide advice on how to fix the childcare and protection to fix the childcare and protection system. to fix the childcare and protection system. Oranga to fix the childcare and protection system. Oranga Tamariki to fix the childcare and protection system. Oranga Tamariki created to fix the childcare and protection system. Oranga Tamariki created an system. Oranga Tamariki created an internal system. Oranga Tamariki created an internal protection system. Oranga Tamariki created an internal protection plan, system. Oranga Tamariki created an internal protection plan, a internal protection plan, a blueprint internal protection plan, a blueprint to internal protection plan, a blueprint to ensure internal protection plan, a blueprint to ensure Oranga internal protection plan, a blueprint to ensure Oranga Tamariki blueprint to ensure Oranga Tamariki stays blueprint to ensure Oranga Tamariki stays focus blueprint to ensure Oranga Tamariki stays focus on blueprint to ensure Oranga Tamariki stays focus on this blueprint to ensure Oranga Tamariki stays focus on this fundamental stays focus on this fundamental shift. stays focus on this fundamental shift. The stays focus on this fundamental shift. The future stays focus on this fundamental shift. The future direction stays focus on this fundamental shift. The future direction plan shift. The future direction plan remains shift. The future direction plan remains essential shift. The future direction plan remains essential focus shift. The future direction plan remains essential focus for shift. The future direction plan remains essential focus for Oranga remains essential focus for Oranga Tamariki remains essential focus for Oranga Tamariki in remains essential focus for Oranga Tamariki in the remains essential focus for Oranga Tamariki in the work remains essential focus for Oranga Tamariki in the work it remains essential focus for Oranga Tamariki in the work it does. remains essential focus for Oranga Tamariki in the work it does. A remains essential focus for Oranga Tamariki in the work it does. A plan Tamariki in the work it does. A plan has Tamariki in the work it does. A plan has been Tamariki in the work it does. A plan has been put Tamariki in the work it does. A plan has been put in Tamariki in the work it does. A plan has been put in place Tamariki in the work it does. A plan has been put in place and Tamariki in the work it does. A plan has been put in place and alongside has been put in place and alongside members has been put in place and alongside members of has been put in place and alongside members of the has been put in place and alongside members of the Ministerial has been put in place and alongside members of the Ministerial advisory members of the Ministerial advisory board members of the Ministerial advisory board and members of the Ministerial advisory board and the members of the Ministerial advisory board and the leadership members of the Ministerial advisory board and the leadership of members of the Ministerial advisory board and the leadership of Oranga board and the leadership of Oranga Tamariki board and the leadership of Oranga Tamariki we board and the leadership of Oranga Tamariki we are board and the leadership of Oranga Tamariki we are already board and the leadership of Oranga Tamariki we are already changing board and the leadership of Oranga Tamariki we are already changing the Tamariki we are already changing the system. Tamariki we are already changing the system. Question Tamariki we are already changing the system. Question No. Tamariki we are already changing the system. Question No. 5, Tamariki we are already changing the system. Question No. 5, Simon Tamariki we are already changing the system. Question No. 5, Simon Court. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: Transport: How Transport: How many Transport: How many people Transport: How many people drive Transport: How many people drive through How many people drive through the How many people drive through the Mt How many people drive through the Mt Victoria How many people drive through the Mt Victoria tunnel How many people drive through the Mt Victoria tunnel per How many people drive through the Mt Victoria tunnel per day, the Mt Victoria tunnel per day, and the Mt Victoria tunnel per day, and how the Mt Victoria tunnel per day, and how many the Mt Victoria tunnel per day, and how many does the Mt Victoria tunnel per day, and how many does he the Mt Victoria tunnel per day, and how many does he project the Mt Victoria tunnel per day, and how many does he project will and how many does he project will walk and how many does he project will walk and and how many does he project will walk and cycle and how many does he project will walk and cycle through and how many does he project will walk and cycle through if and how many does he project will walk and cycle through if the walk and cycle through if the Government walk and cycle through if the Government bans walk and cycle through if the Government bans cars walk and cycle through if the Government bans cars from walk and cycle through if the Government bans cars from the Government bans cars from the Government Government bans cars from the tunnel, as he Government bans cars from the tunnel, as he announced Government bans cars from the tunnel, as he announced this tunnel, as he announced this morning? The The Hon The Hon Michael The Hon Michael Wood. The Hon Michael Wood. I The Hon Michael Wood. I reject The Hon Michael Wood. I reject the The Hon Michael Wood. I reject the premise The Hon Michael Wood. I reject the premise in The Hon Michael Wood. I reject the premise in the The Hon Michael Wood. I reject the premise in the member's I reject the premise in the member's question I reject the premise in the member's question that I reject the premise in the member's question that we I reject the premise in the member's question that we would I reject the premise in the member's question that we would ban I reject the premise in the member's question that we would ban cars I reject the premise in the member's question that we would ban cars from question that we would ban cars from Mt question that we would ban cars from Mt Victoria. question that we would ban cars from Mt Victoria. The question that we would ban cars from Mt Victoria. The announcement question that we would ban cars from Mt Victoria. The announcement we Mt Victoria. The announcement we made Mt Victoria. The announcement we made on Mt Victoria. The announcement we made on the Mt Victoria. The announcement we made on the preferred Mt Victoria. The announcement we made on the preferred mode Mt Victoria. The announcement we made on the preferred mode and Mt Victoria. The announcement we made on the preferred mode and route made on the preferred mode and route for made on the preferred mode and route for mass made on the preferred mode and route for mass rapid made on the preferred mode and route for mass rapid transit made on the preferred mode and route for mass rapid transit in made on the preferred mode and route for mass rapid transit in Wellington for mass rapid transit in Wellington today for mass rapid transit in Wellington today provides for mass rapid transit in Wellington today provides for for mass rapid transit in Wellington today provides for a for mass rapid transit in Wellington today provides for a new for mass rapid transit in Wellington today provides for a new Mt for mass rapid transit in Wellington today provides for a new Mt Victoria today provides for a new Mt Victoria Tunnel today provides for a new Mt Victoria Tunnel with today provides for a new Mt Victoria Tunnel with four today provides for a new Mt Victoria Tunnel with four lanes, today provides for a new Mt Victoria Tunnel with four lanes, two today provides for a new Mt Victoria Tunnel with four lanes, two for today provides for a new Mt Victoria Tunnel with four lanes, two for cars Tunnel with four lanes, two for cars and Tunnel with four lanes, two for cars and two Tunnel with four lanes, two for cars and two for Tunnel with four lanes, two for cars and two for public Tunnel with four lanes, two for cars and two for public transport. 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This means there is exactly the same means there is exactly the same capacity means there is exactly the same capacity as means there is exactly the same capacity as currently means there is exactly the same capacity as currently provided means there is exactly the same capacity as currently provided for capacity as currently provided for cars, capacity as currently provided for cars, which capacity as currently provided for cars, which enables capacity as currently provided for cars, which enables approximately cars, which enables approximately 50,000 cars, which enables approximately 50,000 to cars, which enables approximately 50,000 to 55,000 cars, which enables approximately 50,000 to 55,000 vehicles cars, which enables approximately 50,000 to 55,000 vehicles per cars, which enables approximately 50,000 to 55,000 vehicles per day. 50,000 to 55,000 vehicles per day. The 50,000 to 55,000 vehicles per day. The difference 50,000 to 55,000 vehicles per day. 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The difference is that we are also The difference is that we are also enabling The difference is that we are also enabling high-quality The difference is that we are also enabling high-quality bus The difference is that we are also enabling high-quality bus rapid enabling high-quality bus rapid transit enabling high-quality bus rapid transit to enabling high-quality bus rapid transit to give enabling high-quality bus rapid transit to give Wellingtonians enabling high-quality bus rapid transit to give Wellingtonians real transit to give Wellingtonians real choices transit to give Wellingtonians real choices and transit to give Wellingtonians real choices and faster transit to give Wellingtonians real choices and faster journey transit to give Wellingtonians real choices and faster journey times. choices and faster journey times. A choices and faster journey times. A point choices and faster journey times. A point of choices and faster journey times. A point of order, choices and faster journey times. A point of order, David choices and faster journey times. A point of order, David Seymour. choices and faster journey times. A point of order, David Seymour. Mr A point of order, David Seymour. Mr Speaker, A point of order, David Seymour. Mr Speaker, this A point of order, David Seymour. Mr Speaker, this was A point of order, David Seymour. Mr Speaker, this was a A point of order, David Seymour. 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The feedback from the consultation was from the consultation was overwhelmingly from the consultation was overwhelmingly positive from the consultation was overwhelmingly positive and from the consultation was overwhelmingly positive and by from the consultation was overwhelmingly positive and by and overwhelmingly positive and by and large overwhelmingly positive and by and large supported overwhelmingly positive and by and large supported option overwhelmingly positive and by and large supported option 1, overwhelmingly positive and by and large supported option 1, which overwhelmingly positive and by and large supported option 1, which is large supported option 1, which is the large supported option 1, which is the preferred large supported option 1, which is the preferred option large supported option 1, which is the preferred option of large supported option 1, which is the preferred option of the the preferred option of the Government the preferred option of the Government as the preferred option of the Government as announced the preferred option of the Government as announced today. 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There's been one or two on your own failing to deliver? Order. There's been one or two on your own side been one or two on your own side that been one or two on your own side that haven't been one or two on your own side that haven't had been one or two on your own side that haven't had brilliant been one or two on your own side that haven't had brilliant maths been one or two on your own side that haven't had brilliant maths in that haven't had brilliant maths in the that haven't had brilliant maths in the last that haven't had brilliant maths in the last couple that haven't had brilliant maths in the last couple of that haven't had brilliant maths in the last couple of weeks. the last couple of weeks. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! Come <INTERRUPTION> Order! Come on, <INTERRUPTION> Order! Come on, let's... Order! Come on, let's... <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Mr <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker... Michael Mr Speaker... Michael Wood, Mr Speaker... 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The firefighters that are on less than the living wage? The Minister firefighters that are on less than the living wage? The Minister stands the living wage? The Minister stands by the living wage? The Minister stands by her the living wage? The Minister stands by her statement the living wage? The Minister stands by her statement yesterday. the living wage? The Minister stands by her statement yesterday. Question by her statement yesterday. Question No. by her statement yesterday. Question No. 9, by her statement yesterday. Question No. 9, Jamie by her statement yesterday. Question No. 9, Jamie Strange. 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Mr Speaker, last Friday on our first Matariki last Friday on our first Matariki public last Friday on our first Matariki public holiday last Friday on our first Matariki public holiday myself last Friday on our first Matariki public holiday myself and last Friday on our first Matariki public holiday myself and the public holiday myself and the associate public holiday myself and the associate Tourism public holiday myself and the associate Tourism Minister public holiday myself and the associate Tourism Minister announced associate Tourism Minister announced a associate Tourism Minister announced a sixth associate Tourism Minister announced a sixth round associate Tourism Minister announced a sixth round of associate Tourism Minister announced a sixth round of recipients associate Tourism Minister announced a sixth round of recipients for associate Tourism Minister announced a sixth round of recipients for the a sixth round of recipients for the tourism a sixth round of recipients for the tourism inform a sixth round of recipients for the tourism inform tructure a sixth round of recipients for the tourism inform tructure fund. a sixth round of recipients for the tourism inform tructure fund. This tourism inform tructure fund. This fund tourism inform tructure fund. This fund play tourism inform tructure fund. This fund play as tourism inform tructure fund. This fund play as key tourism inform tructure fund. This fund play as key role tourism inform tructure fund. This fund play as key role in tourism inform tructure fund. This fund play as key role in supporting fund play as key role in supporting infrastructure fund play as key role in supporting infrastructure many fund play as key role in supporting infrastructure many districts fund play as key role in supporting infrastructure many districts can't infrastructure many districts can't afford infrastructure many districts can't afford by infrastructure many districts can't afford by themselves. infrastructure many districts can't afford by themselves. This infrastructure many districts can't afford by themselves. This round infrastructure many districts can't afford by themselves. This round was afford by themselves. This round was particularly afford by themselves. This round was particularly special afford by themselves. This round was particularly special as afford by themselves. This round was particularly special as it afford by themselves. This round was particularly special as it was afford by themselves. This round was particularly special as it was the particularly special as it was the first particularly special as it was the first time particularly special as it was the first time that particularly special as it was the first time that funding particularly special as it was the first time that funding criteria first time that funding criteria included first time that funding criteria included a first time that funding criteria included a specific first time that funding criteria included a specific mention first time that funding criteria included a specific mention of included a specific mention of infrastructure included a specific mention of infrastructure to included a specific mention of infrastructure to support included a specific mention of infrastructure to support the infrastructure to support the delivery infrastructure to support the delivery and infrastructure to support the delivery and management infrastructure to support the delivery and management of infrastructure to support the delivery and management of Matariki delivery and management of Matariki events. delivery and management of Matariki events. Round delivery and management of Matariki events. Round 6 delivery and management of Matariki events. Round 6 invested delivery and management of Matariki events. Round 6 invested $15 delivery and management of Matariki events. Round 6 invested $15 million events. Round 6 invested $15 million into events. Round 6 invested $15 million into 62 events. Round 6 invested $15 million into 62 projects events. Round 6 invested $15 million into 62 projects across events. Round 6 invested $15 million into 62 projects across councils events. Round 6 invested $15 million into 62 projects across councils and into 62 projects across councils and community into 62 projects across councils and community organisations into 62 projects across councils and community organisations in into 62 projects across councils and community organisations in the community organisations in the country community organisations in the country to community organisations in the country to address community organisations in the country to address tourism country to address tourism infrastructure country to address tourism infrastructure needs country to address tourism infrastructure needs including infrastructure needs including further infrastructure needs including further Matariki infrastructure needs including further Matariki celebrations. further Matariki celebrations. What further Matariki celebrations. What are further Matariki celebrations. What are some further Matariki celebrations. What are some of further Matariki celebrations. What are some of the further Matariki celebrations. What are some of the funded further Matariki celebrations. What are some of the funded projects What are some of the funded projects that What are some of the funded projects that will What are some of the funded projects that will help What are some of the funded projects that will help communities What are some of the funded projects that will help communities celebrate that will help communities celebrate Matariki? that will help communities celebrate Matariki? From that will help communities celebrate Matariki? From star-gazing that will help communities celebrate Matariki? From star-gazing platforms Matariki? From star-gazing platforms to Matariki? From star-gazing platforms to event Matariki? From star-gazing platforms to event infrastructure Matariki? From star-gazing platforms to event infrastructure and Matariki? 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To in our newest public holiday. To highlight in our newest public holiday. To highlight a in our newest public holiday. To highlight a couple in our newest public holiday. To highlight a couple of in our newest public holiday. 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They will to the popular walking trail. They will include to the popular walking trail. They will include a to the popular walking trail. They will include a Matariki to the popular walking trail. They will include a Matariki star to the popular walking trail. They will include a Matariki star compass will include a Matariki star compass and will include a Matariki star compass and cultural will include a Matariki star compass and cultural information will include a Matariki star compass and cultural information about will include a Matariki star compass and cultural information about the and cultural information about the site. and cultural information about the site. In and cultural information about the site. In Rotorua, and cultural information about the site. In Rotorua, the and cultural information about the site. In Rotorua, the Matariki and cultural information about the site. In Rotorua, the Matariki on site. In Rotorua, the Matariki on the site. 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In Rotorua, the Matariki on the mirai project will involve the mirai project will involve upgrates the mirai project will involve upgrates to the mirai project will involve upgrates to mirai the mirai project will involve upgrates to mirai facilities the mirai project will involve upgrates to mirai facilities for upgrates to mirai facilities for infrastructure, upgrates to mirai facilities for infrastructure, including upgrates to mirai facilities for infrastructure, including viewing infrastructure, including viewing platforms, infrastructure, including viewing platforms, cultural infrastructure, including viewing platforms, cultural signage, platforms, cultural signage, enhanced platforms, cultural signage, enhanced walkways, platforms, cultural signage, enhanced walkways, public platforms, cultural signage, enhanced walkways, public toilets. enhanced walkways, public toilets. Other enhanced walkways, public toilets. Other district enhanced walkways, public toilets. Other district councils enhanced walkways, public toilets. Other district councils will enhanced walkways, public toilets. Other district councils will also Other district councils will also receive Other district councils will also receive funds Other district councils will also receive funds for Other district councils will also receive funds for Matariki Other district councils will also receive funds for Matariki events, receive funds for Matariki events, which receive funds for Matariki events, which will receive funds for Matariki events, which will help receive funds for Matariki events, which will help the receive funds for Matariki events, which will help the communities which will help the communities learn which will help the communities learn more which will help the communities learn more about which will help the communities learn more about New which will help the communities learn more about New Zealand's learn more about New Zealand's cultural learn more about New Zealand's cultural history. learn more about New Zealand's cultural history. Supplementary. learn more about New Zealand's cultural history. Supplementary. How cultural history. Supplementary. How has cultural history. Supplementary. How has the cultural history. Supplementary. How has the tourism cultural history. Supplementary. How has the tourism infrastructure cultural history. Supplementary. How has the tourism infrastructure fund has the tourism infrastructure fund supported has the tourism infrastructure fund supported communities has the tourism infrastructure fund supported communities in has the tourism infrastructure fund supported communities in the has the tourism infrastructure fund supported communities in the past? supported communities in the past? Tourism supported communities in the past? Tourism is supported communities in the past? Tourism is hugely supported communities in the past? Tourism is hugely important supported communities in the past? Tourism is hugely important to supported communities in the past? Tourism is hugely important to our Tourism is hugely important to our economy. Tourism is hugely important to our economy. As Tourism is hugely important to our economy. As we Tourism is hugely important to our economy. As we open Tourism is hugely important to our economy. As we open back Tourism is hugely important to our economy. As we open back up Tourism is hugely important to our economy. As we open back up to Tourism is hugely important to our economy. As we open back up to the economy. As we open back up to the world, economy. As we open back up to the world, to economy. As we open back up to the world, to date economy. As we open back up to the world, to date the economy. As we open back up to the world, to date the fund economy. 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The infrastructure for residents and visitors alike. The tourism visitors alike. The tourism infrastructure visitors alike. The tourism infrastructure fund visitors alike. The tourism infrastructure fund has visitors alike. The tourism infrastructure fund has supported infrastructure fund has supported notable infrastructure fund has supported notable projects infrastructure fund has supported notable projects around infrastructure fund has supported notable projects around the infrastructure fund has supported notable projects around the country, notable projects around the country, including notable projects around the country, including coastal notable projects around the country, including coastal walkways, including coastal walkways, essential including coastal walkways, essential waste including coastal walkways, essential waste water including coastal walkways, essential waste water treatment essential waste water treatment plants, essential waste water treatment plants, park-and-ride essential waste water treatment plants, park-and-ride facilities essential waste water treatment plants, park-and-ride facilities and plants, park-and-ride facilities and high-quality plants, park-and-ride facilities and high-quality public plants, park-and-ride facilities and high-quality public toilets. plants, park-and-ride facilities and high-quality public toilets. Our high-quality public toilets. Our investments high-quality public toilets. Our investments are high-quality public toilets. Our investments are proof high-quality public toilets. Our investments are proof of high-quality public toilets. Our investments are proof of our investments are proof of our commitment investments are proof of our commitment to investments are proof of our commitment to stand investments are proof of our commitment to stand beside investments are proof of our commitment to stand beside local commitment to stand beside local communities commitment to stand beside local communities to commitment to stand beside local communities to co-fund commitment to stand beside local communities to co-fund important communities to co-fund important tourism communities to co-fund important tourism infrastructure communities to co-fund important tourism infrastructure to communities to co-fund important tourism infrastructure to ensure communities to co-fund important tourism infrastructure to ensure we tourism infrastructure to ensure we protect tourism infrastructure to ensure we protect and tourism infrastructure to ensure we protect and enhance tourism infrastructure to ensure we protect and enhance our tourism infrastructure to ensure we protect and enhance our strong protect and enhance our strong global protect and enhance our strong global reputation. protect and enhance our strong global reputation. Question protect and enhance our strong global reputation. Question Number global reputation. Question Number 10, global reputation. Question Number 10, Nicole global reputation. Question Number 10, Nicole McKee. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Justice: Justice: Does Justice: Does she Justice: Does she stand Justice: Does she stand by Justice: Does she stand by her Justice: Does she stand by her statement Justice: Does she stand by her statement that Does she stand by her statement that she Does she stand by her statement that she will Does she stand by her statement that she will bring Does she stand by her statement that she will bring a Does she stand by her statement that she will bring a "victim-centric" she will bring a "victim-centric" approach she will bring a "victim-centric" approach to she will bring a "victim-centric" approach to her she will bring a "victim-centric" approach to her job; approach to her job; if approach to her job; if so, approach to her job; if so, will approach to her job; if so, will she approach to her job; if so, will she commit approach to her job; if so, will she commit to if so, will she commit to introducing if so, will she commit to introducing tougher if so, will she commit to introducing tougher penalties if so, will she commit to introducing tougher penalties for introducing tougher penalties for offenders introducing tougher penalties for offenders who introducing tougher penalties for offenders who repeatedly introducing tougher penalties for offenders who repeatedly victimise offenders who repeatedly victimise New offenders who repeatedly victimise New Zealanders? The The Hon The Hon Kiritapu The Hon Kiritapu Allan. The Hon Kiritapu Allan. In The Hon Kiritapu Allan. In response The Hon Kiritapu Allan. In response to The Hon Kiritapu Allan. In response to the The Hon Kiritapu Allan. In response to the first The Hon Kiritapu Allan. In response to the first part The Hon Kiritapu Allan. In response to the first part of The Hon Kiritapu Allan. In response to the first part of the The Hon Kiritapu Allan. In response to the first part of the question, to the first part of the question, yes. to the first part of the question, yes. In to the first part of the question, yes. In response to the first part of the question, yes. In response to to the first part of the question, yes. In response to the to the first part of the question, yes. In response to the second to the first part of the question, yes. In response to the second part yes. In response to the second part of yes. In response to the second part of the yes. In response to the second part of the question, yes. In response to the second part of the question, the yes. In response to the second part of the question, the Government yes. In response to the second part of the question, the Government is of the question, the Government is committed of the question, the Government is committed to of the question, the Government is committed to taking of the question, the Government is committed to taking an committed to taking an evidence-based committed to taking an evidence-based approach committed to taking an evidence-based approach to committed to taking an evidence-based approach to keeping evidence-based approach to keeping our evidence-based approach to keeping our community's evidence-based approach to keeping our community's safe, evidence-based approach to keeping our community's safe, breaking evidence-based approach to keeping our community's safe, breaking the our community's safe, breaking the cycle our community's safe, breaking the cycle of our community's safe, breaking the cycle of offending our community's safe, breaking the cycle of offending and our community's safe, breaking the cycle of offending and tackling our community's safe, breaking the cycle of offending and tackling the cycle of offending and tackling the root cycle of offending and tackling the root causes cycle of offending and tackling the root causes of cycle of offending and tackling the root causes of crime. root causes of crime. 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Will she commit to considering ACT's policy of considering ACT's policy of sentencing considering ACT's policy of sentencing burglars considering ACT's policy of sentencing burglars to considering ACT's policy of sentencing burglars to three considering ACT's policy of sentencing burglars to three years sentencing burglars to three years in sentencing burglars to three years in prison sentencing burglars to three years in prison without sentencing burglars to three years in prison without control sentencing burglars to three years in prison without control if sentencing burglars to three years in prison without control if they in prison without control if they are in prison without control if they are convicted in prison without control if they are convicted of in prison without control if they are convicted of a in prison without control if they are convicted of a burglary in prison without control if they are convicted of a burglary for in prison without control if they are convicted of a burglary for a are convicted of a burglary for a third are convicted of a burglary for a third time? are convicted of a burglary for a third time? 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Secondly, with respect to three strikes, we with respect to three strikes, we heard with respect to three strikes, we heard from with respect to three strikes, we heard from many with respect to three strikes, we heard from many victims with respect to three strikes, we heard from many victims through with respect to three strikes, we heard from many victims through the heard from many victims through the select heard from many victims through the select committee heard from many victims through the select committee process heard from many victims through the select committee process their select committee process their experiences select committee process their experiences of select committee process their experiences of which select committee process their experiences of which many select committee process their experiences of which many were experiences of which many were absolutely experiences of which many were absolutely horrific. experiences of which many were absolutely horrific. 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Just this year we've seen the exercise of a judicial officer the exercise of a judicial officer imposing the exercise of a judicial officer imposing the the exercise of a judicial officer imposing the maximum the exercise of a judicial officer imposing the maximum penalty the exercise of a judicial officer imposing the maximum penalty for the exercise of a judicial officer imposing the maximum penalty for an imposing the maximum penalty for an individual imposing the maximum penalty for an individual that imposing the maximum penalty for an individual that hasn't imposing the maximum penalty for an individual that hasn't met imposing the maximum penalty for an individual that hasn't met the imposing the maximum penalty for an individual that hasn't met the three individual that hasn't met the three strikes individual that hasn't met the three strikes threshold. individual that hasn't met the three strikes threshold. We individual that hasn't met the three strikes threshold. We do individual that hasn't met the three strikes threshold. We do not individual that hasn't met the three strikes threshold. We do not have strikes threshold. We do not have any strikes threshold. We do not have any intention strikes threshold. We do not have any intention of strikes threshold. We do not have any intention of providing strikes threshold. We do not have any intention of providing any strikes threshold. We do not have any intention of providing any kind any intention of providing any kind of any intention of providing any kind of retrospectivity any intention of providing any kind of retrospectivity when any intention of providing any kind of retrospectivity when it any intention of providing any kind of retrospectivity when it comes any intention of providing any kind of retrospectivity when it comes to of retrospectivity when it comes to those of retrospectivity when it comes to those that of retrospectivity when it comes to those that have of retrospectivity when it comes to those that have suffered of retrospectivity when it comes to those that have suffered at of retrospectivity when it comes to those that have suffered at the those that have suffered at the hands those that have suffered at the hands of those that have suffered at the hands of crime those that have suffered at the hands of crime and those that have suffered at the hands of crime and criminals those that have suffered at the hands of crime and criminals but those that have suffered at the hands of crime and criminals but we hands of crime and criminals but we are hands of crime and criminals but we are reinstating hands of crime and criminals but we are reinstating the hands of crime and criminals but we are reinstating the integrity hands of crime and criminals but we are reinstating the integrity of hands of crime and criminals but we are reinstating the integrity of our are reinstating the integrity of our judicial are reinstating the integrity of our judicial branch are reinstating the integrity of our judicial branch of are reinstating the integrity of our judicial branch of government are reinstating the integrity of our judicial branch of government that judicial branch of government that they judicial branch of government that they examiner judicial branch of government that they examiner sighs judicial branch of government that they examiner sighs discretion they examiner sighs discretion within they examiner sighs discretion within the they examiner sighs discretion within the bands they examiner sighs discretion within the bands of they examiner sighs discretion within the bands of the they examiner sighs discretion within the bands of the sentencing within the bands of the sentencing act. within the bands of the sentencing act. 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Is the Government's reported new justice Government's reported new justice priorities Government's reported new justice priorities of Government's reported new justice priorities of curbing Government's reported new justice priorities of curbing violent Government's reported new justice priorities of curbing violent crime priorities of curbing violent crime and priorities of curbing violent crime and looking priorities of curbing violent crime and looking after priorities of curbing violent crime and looking after victims priorities of curbing violent crime and looking after victims an and looking after victims an admission and looking after victims an admission that and looking after victims an admission that the and looking after victims an admission that the Government and looking after victims an admission that the Government has admission that the Government has failed admission that the Government has failed to admission that the Government has failed to address admission that the Government has failed to address the admission that the Government has failed to address the 21% admission that the Government has failed to address the 21% increase failed to address the 21% increase in failed to address the 21% increase in violent failed to address the 21% increase in violent crime failed to address the 21% increase in violent crime under failed to address the 21% increase in violent crime under its failed to address the 21% increase in violent crime under its watch? failed to address the 21% increase in violent crime under its watch? I in violent crime under its watch? I refute in violent crime under its watch? I refute the in violent crime under its watch? I refute the proposition in violent crime under its watch? I refute the proposition of in violent crime under its watch? I refute the proposition of this refute the proposition of this question. refute the proposition of this question. This refute the proposition of this question. This is refute the proposition of this question. This is not refute the proposition of this question. This is not a refute the proposition of this question. This is not a new question. This is not a new priority. question. This is not a new priority. It's question. This is not a new priority. It's one question. This is not a new priority. It's one that's question. This is not a new priority. It's one that's ongoing. priority. It's one that's ongoing. No, priority. It's one that's ongoing. No, no, priority. It's one that's ongoing. No, no, the priority. It's one that's ongoing. No, no, the member's priority. It's one that's ongoing. No, no, the member's used priority. It's one that's ongoing. No, no, the member's used all priority. It's one that's ongoing. No, no, the member's used all his No, no, the member's used all his supplementaries. No, no, the member's used all his supplementaries. Question No, no, the member's used all his supplementaries. Question number No, no, the member's used all his supplementaries. Question number 12, supplementaries. Question number 12, Greg supplementaries. Question number 12, Greg O'Connor. 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It longer the country's big's and most congested roundabout. It will longer the country's big's and most congested roundabout. It will reduce congested roundabout. It will reduce travel congested roundabout. It will reduce travel times, congested roundabout. It will reduce travel times, improve congested roundabout. It will reduce travel times, improve air congested roundabout. It will reduce travel times, improve air quality, travel times, improve air quality, enabling travel times, improve air quality, enabling Morehousing travel times, improve air quality, enabling Morehousing and travel times, improve air quality, enabling Morehousing and reduce enabling Morehousing and reduce emissions. enabling Morehousing and reduce emissions. This enabling Morehousing and reduce emissions. This is enabling Morehousing and reduce emissions. This is a emissions. This is a once-in-a-generation emissions. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity emissions. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to once-in-a-generation opportunity to shape once-in-a-generation opportunity to shape Wellington's once-in-a-generation opportunity to shape Wellington's future once-in-a-generation opportunity to shape Wellington's future and once-in-a-generation opportunity to shape Wellington's future and we shape Wellington's future and we believe shape Wellington's future and we believe on shape Wellington's future and we believe on this shape Wellington's future and we believe on this side shape Wellington's future and we believe on this side of shape Wellington's future and we believe on this side of the shape Wellington's future and we believe on this side of the house believe on this side of the house that believe on this side of the house that it's believe on this side of the house that it's time believe on this side of the house that it's time to believe on this side of the house that it's time to get believe on this side of the house that it's time to get on believe on this side of the house that it's time to get on with believe on this side of the house that it's time to get on with it. that it's time to get on with it. That's that it's time to get on with it. That's what that it's time to get on with it. That's what we're that it's time to get on with it. That's what we're doing. that it's time to get on with it. That's what we're doing. Barbara That's what we're doing. Barbara Edmonds. That's what we're doing. Barbara Edmonds. What That's what we're doing. Barbara Edmonds. What other That's what we're doing. Barbara Edmonds. What other work That's what we're doing. Barbara Edmonds. What other work is That's what we're doing. Barbara Edmonds. What other work is the That's what we're doing. Barbara Edmonds. What other work is the go Edmonds. What other work is the go Government Edmonds. What other work is the go Government doing Edmonds. What other work is the go Government doing to Edmonds. What other work is the go Government doing to build Edmonds. What other work is the go Government doing to build a Government doing to build a linked-up Government doing to build a linked-up transport Government doing to build a linked-up transport network Government doing to build a linked-up transport network in linked-up transport network in Wellington? linked-up transport network in Wellington? Our linked-up transport network in Wellington? Our capital linked-up transport network in Wellington? Our capital needs linked-up transport network in Wellington? Our capital needs a Wellington? Our capital needs a linked-up Wellington? Our capital needs a linked-up network Wellington? Our capital needs a linked-up network to Wellington? Our capital needs a linked-up network to serve linked-up network to serve Wellingtonians linked-up network to serve Wellingtonians now linked-up network to serve Wellingtonians now and linked-up network to serve Wellingtonians now and into linked-up network to serve Wellingtonians now and into the Wellingtonians now and into the future Wellingtonians now and into the future making Wellingtonians now and into the future making it Wellingtonians now and into the future making it faster Wellingtonians now and into the future making it faster to Wellingtonians now and into the future making it faster to move future making it faster to move through future making it faster to move through the future making it faster to move through the city, future making it faster to move through the city, connecting through the city, connecting communities, through the city, connecting communities, creating through the city, connecting communities, creating better through the city, connecting communities, creating better access communities, creating better access to communities, creating better access to businesses communities, creating better access to businesses and communities, creating better access to businesses and reducing to businesses and reducing congestion. to businesses and reducing congestion. Today's to businesses and reducing congestion. Today's decision to businesses and reducing congestion. Today's decision to congestion. Today's decision to provides congestion. Today's decision to provides certainty congestion. Today's decision to provides certainty to congestion. Today's decision to provides certainty to our congestion. Today's decision to provides certainty to our partners provides certainty to our partners at provides certainty to our partners at greater provides certainty to our partners at greater Wellington provides certainty to our partners at greater Wellington and provides certainty to our partners at greater Wellington and Wellington at greater Wellington and Wellington city at greater Wellington and Wellington city and at greater Wellington and Wellington city and Wellington at greater Wellington and Wellington city and Wellington residents at greater Wellington and Wellington city and Wellington residents about city and Wellington residents about the city and Wellington residents about the important city and Wellington residents about the important part city and Wellington residents about the important part of city and Wellington residents about the important part of Let's city and Wellington residents about the important part of Let's Get the important part of Let's Get Wellington the important part of Let's Get Wellington Moving. the important part of Let's Get Wellington Moving. It's the important part of Let's Get Wellington Moving. It's improving Wellington Moving. It's improving work Wellington Moving. It's improving work to Wellington Moving. It's improving work to transport Wellington Moving. It's improving work to transport the Wellington Moving. It's improving work to transport the golden Wellington Moving. It's improving work to transport the golden mile, work to transport the golden mile, to work to transport the golden mile, to improve work to transport the golden mile, to improve safety work to transport the golden mile, to improve safety and work to transport the golden mile, to improve safety and urban to improve safety and urban attractiveness to improve safety and urban attractiveness on to improve safety and urban attractiveness on Hut to improve safety and urban attractiveness on Hut Road to improve safety and urban attractiveness on Hut Road and to improve safety and urban attractiveness on Hut Road and work attractiveness on Hut Road and work on attractiveness on Hut Road and work on pedestrian attractiveness on Hut Road and work on pedestrian improvements attractiveness on Hut Road and work on pedestrian improvements around on pedestrian improvements around the on pedestrian improvements around the city. on pedestrian improvements around the city. Work on pedestrian improvements around the city. Work is on pedestrian improvements around the city. Work is under on pedestrian improvements around the city. Work is under way on pedestrian improvements around the city. Work is under way on on pedestrian improvements around the city. Work is under way on all the city. Work is under way on all those the city. Work is under way on all those projects the city. Work is under way on all those projects at the city. Work is under way on all those projects at the the city. Work is under way on all those projects at the moment. those projects at the moment. Supplementary. those projects at the moment. Supplementary. Ginny those projects at the moment. Supplementary. Ginny Andersen. those projects at the moment. Supplementary. Ginny Andersen. How Supplementary. Ginny Andersen. How does Supplementary. Ginny Andersen. How does this Supplementary. Ginny Andersen. How does this appointment Supplementary. Ginny Andersen. How does this appointment align Supplementary. Ginny Andersen. How does this appointment align with Supplementary. Ginny Andersen. How does this appointment align with the does this appointment align with the Government's does this appointment align with the Government's transport Government's transport infrastructure Government's transport infrastructure priorities? Government's transport infrastructure priorities? Our infrastructure priorities? Our support infrastructure priorities? Our support for infrastructure priorities? Our support for mass infrastructure priorities? Our support for mass rapid infrastructure priorities? Our support for mass rapid transit infrastructure priorities? Our support for mass rapid transit in support for mass rapid transit in Auckland support for mass rapid transit in Auckland and support for mass rapid transit in Auckland and Wellington support for mass rapid transit in Auckland and Wellington demonstrate Auckland and Wellington demonstrate our Auckland and Wellington demonstrate our commitments Auckland and Wellington demonstrate our commitments to Auckland and Wellington demonstrate our commitments to investing Auckland and Wellington demonstrate our commitments to investing in Auckland and Wellington demonstrate our commitments to investing in core our commitments to investing in core infrastructure our commitments to investing in core infrastructure in our commitments to investing in core infrastructure in our our commitments to investing in core infrastructure in our biggest our commitments to investing in core infrastructure in our biggest city infrastructure in our biggest city to infrastructure in our biggest city to grow infrastructure in our biggest city to grow now infrastructure in our biggest city to grow now and infrastructure in our biggest city to grow now and in infrastructure in our biggest city to grow now and in decades infrastructure in our biggest city to grow now and in decades to infrastructure in our biggest city to grow now and in decades to come. to grow now and in decades to come. As to grow now and in decades to come. As we to grow now and in decades to come. As we continue to grow now and in decades to come. As we continue to to grow now and in decades to come. As we continue to invest to grow now and in decades to come. As we continue to invest in to grow now and in decades to come. As we continue to invest in core As we continue to invest in core infrastructure, As we continue to invest in core infrastructure, like As we continue to invest in core infrastructure, like Let's As we continue to invest in core infrastructure, like Let's Get infrastructure, like Let's Get Wellington infrastructure, like Let's Get Wellington Moving infrastructure, like Let's Get Wellington Moving and infrastructure, like Let's Get Wellington Moving and in infrastructure, like Let's Get Wellington Moving and in the infrastructure, like Let's Get Wellington Moving and in the near Wellington Moving and in the near future Wellington Moving and in the near future Christchurch Wellington Moving and in the near future Christchurch mass Wellington Moving and in the near future Christchurch mass rapid future Christchurch mass rapid transit, future Christchurch mass rapid transit, we're future Christchurch mass rapid transit, we're plugging future Christchurch mass rapid transit, we're plugging and transit, we're plugging and infrastructure transit, we're plugging and infrastructure deficit transit, we're plugging and infrastructure deficit that's transit, we're plugging and infrastructure deficit that's built infrastructure deficit that's built up infrastructure deficit that's built up for infrastructure deficit that's built up for deck infrastructure deficit that's built up for deck supporting infrastructure deficit that's built up for deck supporting high-wage, up for deck supporting high-wage, high up for deck supporting high-wage, high productivity, up for deck supporting high-wage, high productivity, low up for deck supporting high-wage, high productivity, low emissions high productivity, low emissions economy high productivity, low emissions economy for high productivity, low emissions economy for years high productivity, low emissions economy for years to high productivity, low emissions economy for years to come. high productivity, low emissions economy for years to come. That economy for years to come. That concludes economy for years to come. That concludes oral