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I want the level of robust exchange that the House wants. I would that the House wants. I would encourage that the House wants. I would encourage the that the House wants. I would encourage the minister, that the House wants. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for the My question is to the Minister for the Environment: My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Will My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Will the My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Will the repeal My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Will the repeal and the Environment: Will the repeal and replacement the Environment: Will the repeal and replacement of the Environment: Will the repeal and replacement of the the Environment: Will the repeal and replacement of the RMA the Environment: Will the repeal and replacement of the RMA reduce the Environment: Will the repeal and replacement of the RMA reduce costs replacement of the RMA reduce costs and replacement of the RMA reduce costs and speed replacement of the RMA reduce costs and speed up replacement of the RMA reduce costs and speed up consenting replacement of the RMA reduce costs and speed up consenting processes; and speed up consenting processes; if and speed up consenting processes; if so, and speed up consenting processes; if so, how? The The Hon The Hon David The Hon David Parker. The Hon David Parker. Yes The Hon David Parker. Yes processes The Hon David Parker. Yes processes under The Hon David Parker. Yes processes under the The Hon David Parker. Yes processes under the new The Hon David Parker. Yes processes under the new management The Hon David Parker. Yes processes under the new management resource under the new management resource system under the new management resource system will under the new management resource system will deliver under the new management resource system will deliver considerable system will deliver considerable cost system will deliver considerable cost and system will deliver considerable cost and time system will deliver considerable cost and time savings. system will deliver considerable cost and time savings. More system will deliver considerable cost and time savings. More than system will deliver considerable cost and time savings. More than 100 cost and time savings. More than 100 district cost and time savings. More than 100 district and cost and time savings. More than 100 district and regional cost and time savings. More than 100 district and regional plans cost and time savings. More than 100 district and regional plans under district and regional plans under the district and regional plans under the RMA district and regional plans under the RMA will district and regional plans under the RMA will be district and regional plans under the RMA will be replaced district and regional plans under the RMA will be replaced by district and regional plans under the RMA will be replaced by 15 district and regional plans under the RMA will be replaced by 15 NBA the RMA will be replaced by 15 NBA plans, the RMA will be replaced by 15 NBA plans, more the RMA will be replaced by 15 NBA plans, more activities, the RMA will be replaced by 15 NBA plans, more activities, fewer plans, more activities, fewer consents plans, more activities, fewer consents needed. plans, more activities, fewer consents needed. Clearer consents needed. Clearer notification consents needed. Clearer notification and consents needed. Clearer notification and information notification and information requirements, notification and information requirements, independent notification and information requirements, independent hearings' requirements, independent hearings' panels requirements, independent hearings' panels for requirements, independent hearings' panels for plans, requirements, independent hearings' panels for plans, better panels for plans, better designations panels for plans, better designations and panels for plans, better designations and narrower panels for plans, better designations and narrower appeals designations and narrower appeals will designations and narrower appeals will reduce designations and narrower appeals will reduce planning designations and narrower appeals will reduce planning delays, designations and narrower appeals will reduce planning delays, costs will reduce planning delays, costs and will reduce planning delays, costs and relitigation. will reduce planning delays, costs and relitigation. A will reduce planning delays, costs and relitigation. A fast-track and relitigation. A fast-track pathway and relitigation. A fast-track pathway which and relitigation. A fast-track pathway which is and relitigation. A fast-track pathway which is already and relitigation. A fast-track pathway which is already shown and relitigation. 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So, infrastructure and significant housing developments. So, repeal infrastructure and significant housing developments. So, repeal and housing developments. So, repeal and replacement housing developments. So, repeal and replacement of housing developments. So, repeal and replacement of the housing developments. So, repeal and replacement of the RMA housing developments. So, repeal and replacement of the RMA will housing developments. So, repeal and replacement of the RMA will be replacement of the RMA will be fastser, replacement of the RMA will be fastser, cheaper replacement of the RMA will be fastser, cheaper and replacement of the RMA will be fastser, cheaper and better replacement of the RMA will be fastser, cheaper and better for fastser, cheaper and better for Kiwis. Kiwis. Supplementary. Kiwis. Supplementary. When Kiwis. Supplementary. When will Kiwis. Supplementary. When will we Kiwis. Supplementary. When will we first Supplementary. When will we first see Supplementary. 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How how will reducing the number of district and reducing the number of district and regional reducing the number of district and regional plans reducing the number of district and regional plans from reducing the number of district and regional plans from more reducing the number of district and regional plans from more than reducing the number of district and regional plans from more than 100 reducing the number of district and regional plans from more than 100 to regional plans from more than 100 to 15 regional plans from more than 100 to 15 requeues regional plans from more than 100 to 15 requeues compliance regional plans from more than 100 to 15 requeues compliance costs? regional plans from more than 100 to 15 requeues compliance costs? This 15 requeues compliance costs? This will 15 requeues compliance costs? This will substantially 15 requeues compliance costs? This will substantially reduce 15 requeues compliance costs? 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This standards avoiding bestoke conditions. This will standards avoiding bestoke conditions. This will result standards avoiding bestoke conditions. This will result in conditions. This will result in fewer conditions. This will result in fewer notified conditions. This will result in fewer notified consents conditions. This will result in fewer notified consents and conditions. This will result in fewer notified consents and simpler fewer notified consents and simpler processes. fewer notified consents and simpler processes. How fewer notified consents and simpler processes. How much fewer notified consents and simpler processes. How much is fewer notified consents and simpler processes. How much is the fewer notified consents and simpler processes. How much is the repeal processes. How much is the repeal and processes. How much is the repeal and replacement processes. How much is the repeal and replacement of processes. How much is the repeal and replacement of the processes. 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How can the minister tell the House How can the minister tell the House that How can the minister tell the House that he's How can the minister tell the House that he's taken How can the minister tell the House that he's taken proactive How can the minister tell the House that he's taken proactive action that he's taken proactive action when that he's taken proactive action when he that he's taken proactive action when he can't that he's taken proactive action when he can't come that he's taken proactive action when he can't come here that he's taken proactive action when he can't come here and that he's taken proactive action when he can't come here and tell that he's taken proactive action when he can't come here and tell us when he can't come here and tell us how when he can't come here and tell us how many when he can't come here and tell us how many security when he can't come here and tell us how many security systems when he can't come here and tell us how many security systems have when he can't come here and tell us how many security systems have been how many security systems have been installed how many security systems have been installed for how many security systems have been installed for ram how many security systems have been installed for ram raid how many security systems have been installed for ram raid businesses? installed for ram raid businesses? 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What for them including mental, financial and social harms. What feedback for them including mental, financial and social harms. What feedback has and social harms. What feedback has she and social harms. What feedback has she received and social harms. What feedback has she received on and social harms. What feedback has she received on the and social harms. What feedback has she received on the proposed she received on the proposed changes? changes? Mr changes? Mr Speaker, changes? Mr Speaker, giveren changes? Mr Speaker, giveren the changes? Mr Speaker, giveren the level changes? 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More systematic change is needed to systematic change is needed to reduce systematic change is needed to reduce harm systematic change is needed to reduce harm from systematic change is needed to reduce harm from gambling systematic change is needed to reduce harm from gambling which systematic change is needed to reduce harm from gambling which is reduce harm from gambling which is why reduce harm from gambling which is why I reduce harm from gambling which is why I have reduce harm from gambling which is why I have started reduce harm from gambling which is why I have started work reduce harm from gambling which is why I have started work to reduce harm from gambling which is why I have started work to scope reduce harm from gambling which is why I have started work to scope a why I have started work to scope a complete why I have started work to scope a complete review why I have started work to scope a complete review of why I have started work to scope a complete review of the why I have started work to scope a complete review of the Gambling why I have started work to scope a complete review of the Gambling Act complete review of the Gambling Act 2003. complete review of the Gambling Act 2003. As complete review of the Gambling Act 2003. As the complete review of the Gambling Act 2003. As the Minister complete review of the Gambling Act 2003. As the Minister of complete review of the Gambling Act 2003. As the Minister of Internal 2003. As the Minister of Internal Affairs 2003. As the Minister of Internal Affairs I 2003. As the Minister of Internal Affairs I am 2003. As the Minister of Internal Affairs I am committed 2003. As the Minister of Internal Affairs I am committed to 2003. As the Minister of Internal Affairs I am committed to ensuring Affairs I am committed to ensuring our Affairs I am committed to ensuring our regulations Affairs I am committed to ensuring our regulations are Affairs I am committed to ensuring our regulations are working Affairs I am committed to ensuring our regulations are working to our regulations are working to reduce our regulations are working to reduce harm our regulations are working to reduce harm as our regulations are working to reduce harm as much our regulations are working to reduce harm as much as our regulations are working to reduce harm as much as possible our regulations are working to reduce harm as much as possible and reduce harm as much as possible and we reduce harm as much as possible and we have reduce harm as much as possible and we have the reduce harm as much as possible and we have the necessary reduce harm as much as possible and we have the necessary enforcement we have the necessary enforcement tools we have the necessary enforcement tools for we have the necessary enforcement tools for noncompliance. we have the necessary enforcement tools for noncompliance. What we have the necessary enforcement tools for noncompliance. What are tools for noncompliance. What are the tools for noncompliance. What are the next tools for noncompliance. What are the next steps tools for noncompliance. What are the next steps in tools for noncompliance. What are the next steps in reducing tools for noncompliance. What are the next steps in reducing harm tools for noncompliance. What are the next steps in reducing harm from the next steps in reducing harm from gambling? the next steps in reducing harm from gambling? I the next steps in reducing harm from gambling? I expect the next steps in reducing harm from gambling? I expect that the next steps in reducing harm from gambling? I expect that the the next steps in reducing harm from gambling? I expect that the new the next steps in reducing harm from gambling? I expect that the new harm gambling? I expect that the new harm minimisation gambling? I expect that the new harm minimisation regulations gambling? I expect that the new harm minimisation regulations for gambling? I expect that the new harm minimisation regulations for pokies minimisation regulations for pokies will minimisation regulations for pokies will be minimisation regulations for pokies will be in minimisation regulations for pokies will be in place minimisation regulations for pokies will be in place in minimisation regulations for pokies will be in place in the minimisation regulations for pokies will be in place in the first minimisation regulations for pokies will be in place in the first half will be in place in the first half of will be in place in the first half of 2023. will be in place in the first half of 2023. And will be in place in the first half of 2023. And as will be in place in the first half of 2023. And as mentioned, will be in place in the first half of 2023. And as mentioned, we will be in place in the first half of 2023. And as mentioned, we have of 2023. And as mentioned, we have also of 2023. And as mentioned, we have also committed of 2023. And as mentioned, we have also committed to of 2023. And as mentioned, we have also committed to scoping of 2023. And as mentioned, we have also committed to scoping out of 2023. And as mentioned, we have also committed to scoping out a also committed to scoping out a wider also committed to scoping out a wider review also committed to scoping out a wider review of also committed to scoping out a wider review of the also committed to scoping out a wider review of the Act also committed to scoping out a wider review of the Act which also committed to scoping out a wider review of the Act which has wider review of the Act which has been wider review of the Act which has been warmly wider review of the Act which has been warmly welcomed wider review of the Act which has been warmly welcomed from wider review of the Act which has been warmly welcomed from within wider review of the Act which has been warmly welcomed from within the been warmly welcomed from within the sector. been warmly welcomed from within the sector. Question been warmly welcomed from within the sector. Question number been warmly welcomed from within the sector. Question number 11. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Local My question is to the Minister of Local Government: My question is to the Minister of Local Government: How My question is to the Minister of Local Government: How many, My question is to the Minister of Local Government: How many, if My question is to the Minister of Local Government: How many, if any, Local Government: How many, if any, parks Local Government: How many, if any, parks and Local Government: How many, if any, parks and reserves Local Government: How many, if any, parks and reserves that Local Government: How many, if any, parks and reserves that also Local Government: How many, if any, parks and reserves that also serve Local Government: How many, if any, parks and reserves that also serve a parks and reserves that also serve a storm parks and reserves that also serve a storm water parks and reserves that also serve a storm water function parks and reserves that also serve a storm water function will parks and reserves that also serve a storm water function will be storm water function will be transferred storm water function will be transferred to storm water function will be transferred to the storm water function will be transferred to the proposed storm water function will be transferred to the proposed water transferred to the proposed water services transferred to the proposed water services entities transferred to the proposed water services entities as transferred to the proposed water services entities as part transferred to the proposed water services entities as part of transferred to the proposed water services entities as part of the services entities as part of the Government's services entities as part of the Government's three services entities as part of the Government's three waters services entities as part of the Government's three waters reforms, Government's three waters reforms, and Government's three waters reforms, and does Government's three waters reforms, and does she Government's three waters reforms, and does she stand Government's three waters reforms, and does she stand by Government's three waters reforms, and does she stand by all Government's three waters reforms, and does she stand by all her and does she stand by all her statements and does she stand by all her statements on and does she stand by all her statements on three and does she stand by all her statements on three waters and does she stand by all her statements on three waters reform? The The Hon The Hon Nanaia The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The public The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The public can The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The public can be The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The public can be assured The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The public can be assured that The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The public can be assured that where The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The public can be assured that where the can be assured that where the primary can be assured that where the primary purpose can be assured that where the primary purpose of can be assured that where the primary purpose of council-owned primary purpose of council-owned land primary purpose of council-owned land is, primary purpose of council-owned land is, as primary purpose of council-owned land is, as a primary purpose of council-owned land is, as a park, primary purpose of council-owned land is, as a park, it primary purpose of council-owned land is, as a park, it will primary purpose of council-owned land is, as a park, it will remain primary purpose of council-owned land is, as a park, it will remain a land is, as a park, it will remain a park land is, as a park, it will remain a park and land is, as a park, it will remain a park and remain land is, as a park, it will remain a park and remain in land is, as a park, it will remain a park and remain in council park and remain in council ownership. park and remain in council ownership. In park and remain in council ownership. In this park and remain in council ownership. In this instance park and remain in council ownership. In this instance the ownership. In this instance the public ownership. In this instance the public will ownership. In this instance the public will have ownership. In this instance the public will have the ownership. In this instance the public will have the same ownership. In this instance the public will have the same access ownership. In this instance the public will have the same access to public will have the same access to parks public will have the same access to parks that public will have the same access to parks that they public will have the same access to parks that they currently public will have the same access to parks that they currently have public will have the same access to parks that they currently have and parks that they currently have and enjoy. parks that they currently have and enjoy. Will parks that they currently have and enjoy. Will she parks that they currently have and enjoy. Will she not parks that they currently have and enjoy. Will she not confirm parks that they currently have and enjoy. Will she not confirm how parks that they currently have and enjoy. Will she not confirm how many enjoy. Will she not confirm how many parks enjoy. Will she not confirm how many parks and enjoy. Will she not confirm how many parks and reserves enjoy. Will she not confirm how many parks and reserves on enjoy. Will she not confirm how many parks and reserves on the enjoy. Will she not confirm how many parks and reserves on the basis enjoy. Will she not confirm how many parks and reserves on the basis that parks and reserves on the basis that she parks and reserves on the basis that she will parks and reserves on the basis that she will not parks and reserves on the basis that she will not confirm parks and reserves on the basis that she will not confirm how parks and reserves on the basis that she will not confirm how many parks and reserves on the basis that she will not confirm how many pashes she will not confirm how many pashes and she will not confirm how many pashes and reserves she will not confirm how many pashes and reserves will she will not confirm how many pashes and reserves will transfer, she will not confirm how many pashes and reserves will transfer, which and reserves will transfer, which also and reserves will transfer, which also have and reserves will transfer, which also have a and reserves will transfer, which also have a stormwater and reserves will transfer, which also have a stormwater function, also have a stormwater function, what also have a stormwater function, what does also have a stormwater function, what does it also have a stormwater function, what does it say also have a stormwater function, what does it say about also have a stormwater function, what does it say about these also have a stormwater function, what does it say about these reforms what does it say about these reforms that what does it say about these reforms that this what does it say about these reforms that this far what does it say about these reforms that this far into what does it say about these reforms that this far into the what does it say about these reforms that this far into the process what does it say about these reforms that this far into the process no that this far into the process no one that this far into the process no one or that this far into the process no one or nobody's that this far into the process no one or nobody's even that this far into the process no one or nobody's even able that this far into the process no one or nobody's even able to that this far into the process no one or nobody's even able to confirm one or nobody's even able to confirm what one or nobody's even able to confirm what assets one or nobody's even able to confirm what assets will one or nobody's even able to confirm what assets will transfer one or nobody's even able to confirm what assets will transfer into one or nobody's even able to confirm what assets will transfer into these what assets will transfer into these entities. what assets will transfer into these entities. Mr what assets will transfer into these entities. Mr Speaker, what assets will transfer into these entities. Mr Speaker, this what assets will transfer into these entities. Mr Speaker, this will what assets will transfer into these entities. Mr Speaker, this will be entities. Mr Speaker, this will be the entities. Mr Speaker, this will be the first entities. Mr Speaker, this will be the first time entities. Mr Speaker, this will be the first time to entities. Mr Speaker, this will be the first time to comprehensively the first time to comprehensively understand the first time to comprehensively understand and the first time to comprehensively understand and identify the first time to comprehensively understand and identify the the first time to comprehensively understand and identify the extent understand and identify the extent of understand and identify the extent of the understand and identify the extent of the stormwater understand and identify the extent of the stormwater network understand and identify the extent of the stormwater network and understand and identify the extent of the stormwater network and its of the stormwater network and its profile. of the stormwater network and its profile. That's of the stormwater network and its profile. That's why of the stormwater network and its profile. That's why we of the stormwater network and its profile. That's why we established of the stormwater network and its profile. That's why we established a profile. That's why we established a stormwater profile. That's why we established a stormwater technical profile. That's why we established a stormwater technical working profile. That's why we established a stormwater technical working group stormwater technical working group to stormwater technical working group to help stormwater technical working group to help provide stormwater technical working group to help provide a stormwater technical working group to help provide a definition stormwater technical working group to help provide a definition that to help provide a definition that would to help provide a definition that would better to help provide a definition that would better ensure to help provide a definition that would better ensure that to help provide a definition that would better ensure that we to help provide a definition that would better ensure that we are would better ensure that we are capturing would better ensure that we are capturing the would better ensure that we are capturing the range would better ensure that we are capturing the range of would better ensure that we are capturing the range of stormwater capturing the range of stormwater assets capturing the range of stormwater assets if capturing the range of stormwater assets if we capturing the range of stormwater assets if we integrated capturing the range of stormwater assets if we integrated it capturing the range of stormwater assets if we integrated it into capturing the range of stormwater assets if we integrated it into a assets if we integrated it into a waters assets if we integrated it into a waters network assets if we integrated it into a waters network system. assets if we integrated it into a waters network system. 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Ultimately transfer from councils to entities. Ultimately councils transfer from councils to entities. Ultimately councils will transfer from councils to entities. Ultimately councils will help transfer from councils to entities. Ultimately councils will help us Ultimately councils will help us identify Ultimately councils will help us identify what Ultimately councils will help us identify what will Ultimately councils will help us identify what will not Ultimately councils will help us identify what will not be identify what will not be transferred. identify what will not be transferred. Supplementary. identify what will not be transferred. Supplementary. Does identify what will not be transferred. Supplementary. Does she transferred. Supplementary. Does she stand transferred. Supplementary. Does she stand by transferred. Supplementary. Does she stand by her transferred. Supplementary. Does she stand by her statement transferred. Supplementary. 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The The Hon The Hon Michael The Hon Michael Wood. The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday the The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday the health The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday the health and The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday the health and safety The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday the health and safety at The Hon Michael Wood. Yesterday the health and safety at work, The Hon Michael Wood. 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Trained reps request information and conduct inspections. Trained reps may request information and conduct inspections. Trained reps may issue inspections. Trained reps may issue a inspections. Trained reps may issue a provisional inspections. Trained reps may issue a provisional improvement inspections. Trained reps may issue a provisional improvement notice inspections. 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