TIME NOW FOR SEVEN SHARP WITH HILARY AND JEREMY. PAYING WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD IS HANDY BUT OFTEN COMES WITH A SURCHARGE THAT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM 1% TO 3% OF THE TOTAL TRANSACTION. THE COMMERCE COMMISSION IS CONCERNED THAT SOME BUSINESSES ARE ADDING SURCHARGES THAT ARE TOO BIG, SO THEY'RE TARGETING THE BIG GUNS TO TRY AND GET US SOME RELIEF. 'LEGEND HAS IT THE FIRST CREDIT CARD WAS MADE OF CARDBOARD.' YEAH, I'LL BE OUT IN A MINUTE. 'THE BRAINCHILD OF AN AMERICAN WHO'D LEFT HIS WALLET AT HOME 'WHEN AT A NEW YORK RESTAURANT.' BETTER SIGN THE BACK. WE'VE COME A LONG WAY SINCE THEN. CHEERS. HAVE A GOOD DAY, EH. MORE THAN 2.5 MILLION NEW ZEALANDERS OWN A CREDIT CARD. AND WHEN YOU'RE PAYING FOR SOMETHING WITH THE PLASTIC, SHOULD YOU BE CHARGED MORE? CAN I GRAB A FLAT WHITE? BUT IT'S NOT THE CORNER DAIRY THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT. THE COM-COM'S GOT ITS EYE ON COUNCILS AND CORPORATES. SO ARE THEY CLIPPING THE TICKET OR ARE THE CHARGES FAIR? JEEPERS. AND FOR MORE ON THIS, WE'RE JOINED BY COMMERCE COMMISSION CHAIR DR JOHN SMALL. GOOD TO SEE YOU TONIGHT. NOW, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH CREDIT CARD SURCHARGES? YEAH, KIA ORA, HILARY. WELL, LOOK, THE THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS TIME HAS GONE ON, THE TYPE OF CARD THAT PEOPLE ARE USING TO PAY HAS SHIFTED TOWARDS A MORE EXPENSIVE TYPE OF CARD. AND THAT'S PUTTING A LOT OF COST ON TO MERCHANTS. AND MERCHANTS, OF COURSE, ARE PASSING THAT ON IN THE FORM OF SURCHARGES TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. SO A NEW RULE CAME IN LAST YEAR, PUSHING DOWN THE COST TO THE MERCHANTS, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW, WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN PUSHING DOWN THEIR COSTS, NOW WE'RE ASKING THEM TO PASS ON THAT COST SAVING TO THEIR CUSTOMERS IN THE FORM OF LOWER SURCHARGES. JOHN, AS A CONSUMER, HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT'S FAIR OR NOT? WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS MERCHANTS TO JUST CHARGE WHAT IT COSTS THEM. THIS SHOULDN'T BE A PROFIT CENTRE. SO, THESE SURCHARGES ARE QUITE IRRITATING WHEN THEY'RE TOO HIGH. AND IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT CARD YOU'VE GOT. YOU'VE ALWAYS GOT A FREE OPTION. IF YOU'VE GOT AN EFTPOS CARD, JUST SWIPE THAT. THAT'S FREE. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A CONTACTLESS DEBIT OR A CREDIT CARD, YOU PROBABLY CAN EXPECT TO PAY SOME KIND OF SURCHARGE. SO, CONTACTLESS DEBIT, MAYBE ABOUT 0.7%. A CREDIT CARD, PERHAPS 1.5% TO 2%. ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, IT'S GETTING QUITE EXCESSIVE. AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU HAVE BEEN URGING BUSINESSES, AND COUNCILS IN PARTICULAR, TO ONLY CHARGE THE COST OF ACCEPTING THE PAYMENT. HOW HAVE THEY BEEN RESPONDING TO THAT? PROBABLY A MIXED RESPONSE. SOME HAVE RESPONDED VERY WELL AND COME TO THE PARTY AND PULLED THEIR SURCHARGES DOWN AND REALISED THAT THEY SHOULD DO THE RIGHT THING BY THEIR CUSTOMERS. BUT THE KEY POINT HERE IS THAT IT'S BIGGER THAN JUST THESE LARGE MERCHANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WRITING TO. WE'RE TALKING REALLY HERE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT CUT YOUR HAIR AND SELL YOUR COFFEE. AND ALL THE EVERYDAY MERCHANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THIS AS WELL. JOHN, DO YOU THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO CHARGE ANY AMOUNT AT ALL FOR A CREDIT CARD PAYMENT? NO. THIS SHOULD JUST BE ALIGNED WITH COSTS. SO, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK ANYTHING OVER ABOUT TO 2% IS GETTING EXCESSIVE FOR A CREDIT CARD. PERHAPS IF THE MERCHANT HAS GOT A LOT OF INTERNATIONAL TRANSACTIONS, MAYBE THAT'S OK. BUT NO, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A PROFIT CENTRE. THESE GUYS HAVE GOT` INTERESTING. WE'VE JUST COME OUT WITH SOME NEW RESEARCH, WHICH WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ANNOUNCING UNTIL TOMORROW, BUT I CAN TELL YOU NOW, THAT THE MERCHANT COMMUNITY IS BEEN BETTER OFF AS A RESULT OF THESE RULES BY ABOUT $105 MILLION A YEAR. SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT SAVING TO THEM. WE'RE JUST ASKING THEM TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND PASS THAT ON IN THE FORM OF LOWER SURCHARGES. I SUPPOSE THE OTHER QUESTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE THINKING OF, SITTING AT HOME, IS WHY SHOULD THERE BE ANY SURCHARGE? THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION, HILARY. THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT ALL PAYMENT SYSTEMS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT AND SOME OF THEM DO HAVE COST. WE'RE NOT AGAINST SURCHARGING. WE JUST WANT IT TO BE COST REFLECTIVE BECAUSE THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, JOHN. GOOD TO TALK TO YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOVELY TO CHAT TO YOU. CAPTIONS BY KRISTIN WILLIAMS, SEAN LYDIARD AND JAMES BROWN. CAPTIONS WERE MADE WITH THE SUPPORT OF NZ ON AIR. WWW.ABLE.CO.NZ COPYRIGHT ABLE 2023 YOU MIGHT KNOW THIS TYPE OF PERSON OR YOU MIGHT BE ONE YOURSELF. IT'S SOMEONE WHO'S ALWAYS GOT A BETTER STORY TO TELL. IT'S A HABIT THAT'S APPARENTLY QUITE ANNOYING. (JAUNTY MUSIC) DO YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE FRIENDS WHO RESPONDS TO EVERY STORY YOU TELL WITH, 'OH, THAT HAPPENED TO ME,' AND ENDS UP DOMINATING THE CONVERSATION? YOU'D BE REALLY PROUD OF ME. I MADE THIS LEMON CAKE IN THE WEEKEND, AND IT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL. OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I KNOW THE RECIPE. IT WAS SO MOIST. WHAT YOU NEED TO TRY, THOUGH ` ORANGE. IT'S CALLED SELF DISCLOSURE OR COMPARING YOUR STRUGGLES. IT'S A HABIT OF DISCLOSING SOMETHING ABOUT YOURSELF TO ANOTHER PERSON. DELICIOUS. SO MOIST TOO. SO I'LL GIVE YOU THE RECIPE. SO, I WAS ON THE GOLF COURSE IN THE WEEKEND, AND I WAS ON THIS PAR THREE, AND IT WENT UP, AND IT JUST LANDED RIGHT` NO. I DID EXACTLY THE SAME THING. AND WHILE YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING IT TO BOND WITH YOUR FRIEND OR YOUR WORK COLLEAGUE, IT TURNS OUT YOUR EXPERIENCES MAY NOT BE THAT HELPFUL. I WAS, LIKE, THAT FAR AWAY FROM THE PIN. PUTTED IT IN. BIRDIE. AWESOME. HOW DID YOU GO? OH, IT WAS A HOLE IN ONE. PSYCHOLOGIST DOUGAL SUTHERLAND IS HERE TO HELP. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, DOUGAL. WHY DOES THIS HABIT OF SELF DISCLOSURE OR COMPARING YOUR STRUGGLES RUB PEOPLE UP THE WRONG WAY? OH, IT'S FRUSTRATING, ISN'T IT? YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPRESS YOUR INNERMOST FEELINGS, AND ALL YOUR FRIEND OR WORKMATE OR COLLEAGUE CAN DO IS TELL THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING AND HOW THAT'S THE SAME FOR THEM, WHICH IS, OH. LOOK, I THINK REALLY, WE FEEL INVALIDATED WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT. SO THAT'S THAT SENSE OF YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO ME, YOU DON'T GET IT. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID TO ME, 'HEY, FEELINGS ARE MEANT TO BE FELT, EXPRESSED AND HEARD,' AND IF YOU CAN'T EXPRESS YOUR FEELINGS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THAT SENSE OF BEING HEARD BY SOMEBODY ELSE. SO IF SOMEBODY KEEPS JUMPING IN WITH WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT JUST LEAVES YOU THAT SENSE OF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YOU REALLY HAVEN'T LISTENED TO ME AT ALL. WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT USE IT AS A BONDING TOOL TO JUST CONNECT WITH OTHER PEOPLE? AND I THINK THAT'S WHY PEOPLE, MOST OF THE TIME, DO IT. THEY WANT TO RELATE. THEY WANNA MAKE THAT CONNECTION. AND SO, IT'S NOT A WRONG THING TO DO, BUT I THINK THERE'S A TIME AND A PLACE, RIGHT? SO OFTEN IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR OWN EXPERIENCES, PERHAPS WAIT TILL A BIT LATER ON, AS THE CONVERSATION HAS PROGRESSED, AND THEN SORT OF GET THE SENSE FROM THAT PERSON, ARE THEY INTERESTED IN HEARING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED TO YOU THAT'S SIMILAR. BUT LET THEM TALK FIRST. SO, YOU KNOW, USE YOUR LIPS AND YOUR EARS IN THE RATIO THAT YOU'VE GOT THEM. OR YOUR MOUTH AND YOUR EARS. SO ZIP THAT AND OPEN THOSE UP SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR A BIT MORE. OK. SO WHAT ABOUT IF YOU FIND YOURSELF JUMPING IN TOO QUICKLY TO SHARE YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE? WHAT SHOULD YOU DO THEN? OH, LOOK, TAKE CUES FROM THE PERSON THAT YOU WERE TALKING TO, EH. SO LOOK AT THEM. IT WAS A GOOD START. (CHUCKLES) LOOK AT THEM AND LOOK TO SEE WHETHER THEY ARE WANTING TO ENGAGE WITH YOU, WHETHER THEY ARE EAGER TO HEAR MORE ABOUT YOU OR WHETHER ACTUALLY THEY'RE JUST SORT OF A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATED AND WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THE WHOLE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT, WHICH IS ABOUT THEM. SO JUST BE ALERT TO SOME OF THOSE CUES, SOME OF THOSE NORMAL HUMAN INTERACTION CUES THAT WE HAVE. DON'T GET SO WOUND UP IN YOUR OWN HEAD AND IN YOUR OWN STORY THAT YOU MISS THOSE CUES FROM OTHER PEOPLE. IS THERE EVER A GOOD TIME TO SELF DISCLOSE? I THINK SO. I THINK, YOU KNOW, LATER ON, AS A CONVERSATION PROGRESSES, IT CAN BE A REALLY GOOD WAY OF BONDING. BUT AGAIN, TIME AND A PLACE. SO PERHAPS NOT AT THE START, MAYBE MUCH FURTHER DOWN IN THE CONVERSATION PATHWAY, IF YOU LIKE, MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME. AND CHECK IT OUT. SAY, 'HEY, LOOK. SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S KIND OF HAPPENED TO ME ONCE.' ALMOST SAYING, 'DO YOU WANNA HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT?' AND LET THEM SAY YES OR NO. LET THEM INVITE THAT PART OF YOU INTO THE CONVERSATION. IF THEY DON'T GIVE YOU AN EXPLICIT 'THUMBS UP' YES, THEN PERHAPS JUST HOLD OFF ON THAT UNTIL THEY DO WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, DOUGAL. YOU'VE CERTAINLY GIVEN US, MAINLY ME, A LOT OF GOOD ADVICE. GOOD TO TALK TO YOU. (CHUCKLES) THANKS, GUYS. LOVELY TO SEE YOU. WOMEN'S SPORT IS ON A REAL HIGH AT THE MOMENT, WITH THE FOOTBALL WORLD CUP, NETBALL WORLD CUP AND RUGBY'S FARAH PALMER CUP. BUT WHILE WE KNOW THE BENEFITS OF SPORT FOR GIRLS, KEEPING THEM PLAYING THROUGH PUBERTY IS PROBLEMATIC. SACHA McNEIL ON HOW WE CAN TACKLE IT. ONE, TWO... GOOD. CAN YOU PLAY IT BACK TO YOUR TEAM? WELL DONE. BRILLIANT. (UPBEAT MUSIC) I LIKE THE FEELING THAT YOU GET AFTER YOU SCORE A GOAL. LIKE, THE RUSH. WELL DONE. GREAT PASSING. USE THE SPACE. I LIKE PLAYING AS A TEAM AND THE FEELING YOU GET WHEN YOU WIN AS A TEAM. OK, MADDY FIRST, THEN MOLLY. ENTHUSIASM IS AT ITS PEAK ON THIS PITCH FULL OF PRIMARY SCHOOL GIRLS. HEY, GIRLS. HOW ARE YOU DOING? ALL: GOOD. YEAH? THEY WERE SOME PRETTY GOOD SKILLS I SAW OUT THERE. RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE EVERY REASON TO KEEP UP THE KICKING AND STICK WITH SPORT. SATURDAY MORNING'S MY HIGHLIGHT OF THE WEEK. YEAH. I JUST LOVE SPORTS AND BEING ENERGETIC AND ACTIVE. I ALSO HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS. ONE IS 9, AND ONE IS 11. SO YOU GIRLS ARE AROUND THAT AGE, AREN'T YA? ALL: YEAH. FOR EX-ALL-WHITE ANDY BOYENS, THE CHALLENGE OF KEEPING GIRLS ENGAGED WITH SPORT ONCE THEY HIT THEIR TEENS IS BOTH PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DAUGHTERS MYSELF. THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT REASONS WHY SPORT MAYBE IS A BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR YOUNG GIRLS AND WOMEN. YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT. FOOTBALL IS AN EASY SELL TO YOUNG GIRLS RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S KEEPING THEM ON THE PADDOCK THAT'S PROVING DIFFICULT. RESEARCH SHOWS THAT FEMALES ARE TWICE AS LIKELY TO QUIT SPORTS BY THE AGE OF 14, COMPARED TO MALES. THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY GIRLS DROP OUT AT GREATER RATES THAN BOYS. AND IT'S THINGS LIKE BODY CONFIDENCE TO BUSY WITH SCHOOL AND FRIENDS, TO LACK OF ROLE MODEL, LACK OF OPPORTUNITIES, EVEN BIAS FROM PARENTS, KIND OF PUSHING THEIR SONS MORE THAN THEIR DAUGHTERS. SO THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF ELEMENTS. FOR EX-FOOTBALL-FERN REBECCA SOWDEN, IT WASN'T ALWAYS EASY TO STAY IN THE GAME. I CAN REMEMBER IT VIVIDLY. I NEEDED, AS A GIRL, THAT CONFIDENCE BUILD-UP AND ENCOURAGED TO KIND OF DRIBBLE AND HAVE A SHOT, WHEREAS BOYS MAYBE ALREADY HAVE THAT EXISTING CONFIDENCE. # THIS GIRL IS ON FIRE. # NOW, I JUST WANT YOU TO GET INTO GROUPS OF TWO OR THREE, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO SHARE SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR DAY THAT WAS REALLY COOL. RELATIONSHIPS ARE A REALLY BIG THING WITH YOUNG GIRLS, AND SO IF THEY CAN COME IN AND YOU GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE TO TALK ABOUT THEIR DAY, MAYBE BEFORE TRAINING. WHEN MY SON ARRIVES AT FOOTBALL TRAINING, THE FIRST THING HE WANTS TO SEE IS THE BALL AND THE GOAL. WHEN MY DAUGHTER ARRIVES AT FOOTBALL TRAINING, THE FIRST THING SHE WANTS TO SEE IS HER FRIENDS. SO THEY DO BETTER AT SCHOOL, THEY DO BETTER IN THEIR CAREERS, THEY GET SOCIAL SKILLS. IT'S GREAT FOR THEIR MENTAL WELLBEING. SO WHEN GIRLS STAY IN SPORT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WIN AS A SOCIETY. SO HOW CAN WE KEEP FEMALES ON THE FIELD, PITCH OR COURT WELL INTO THEIR TEEN YEARS? WE'VE TEAMED UP WITH COACH MATE TO DEVELOP THIS 'HOW TO' GUIDE TO ENSURE PARENTS, SUPPORTERS, EDUCATORS, COACHES HAVE THE TOOLS, THE TIPS, AND THE TRICKS TO ENSURE GIRLS DO THRIVE IN COACHING ENVIRONMENTS. COACH MATE IS A FREE APP, MAKING IT EASY FOR ALL OF US TO ENCOURAGE GIRLS AND BOYS IN SPORT. DO YOU THINK YOU GUYS WILL KEEP PLAYING SPORTS RIGHT THROUGH UNTIL YOUR TEENS? YEP, DEFINITELY. (CHUCKLES) YEAH, ME TOO. YEAH, DEFINITELY. MY DAUGHTER LOVES TO CARTWHEEL, AND THAT'S OK. (CHUCKLES) MY SON WILL KEEP PLAYING, BUT YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM SPACE TO DO CARTWHEELS OR DO THE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY FUN FOR YOUNG GIRLS TO DO. I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SATURDAY MORNING. I REALLY WANNA KEEP PLAYING. E WHAI AKE NEI, COMING UP ON SEVEN SHARP ` IF YOU'RE A PUBLISHED AUTHOR AT 10, WHAT WOULD YOU DREAM UP NEXT? PLUS ` IT ALL STARTED WITH TEACHING MUM TO PLAY THE DRUMS. AND NOW THE BAND HAS MUSICAL ROYALTY FOLLOWING THEIR EVERY MOVE. THAT'S COMING UP NEXT. NAU MAI HOKI MAI. WELCOME BACK. LOVELY TO HAVE YOU WITH US. SOME OF US GROW UP TO BE ASTRONAUTS, TEACHERS OR INFOTAINMENT PRESENTERS. BUT THE 10-YEAR-OLD BOY IN OUR NEXT STORY ISN'T WAITING TO GROW UP TO REALISE HIS DREAM OF BEING A BEST-SELLING AUTHOR. DANIEL FAITAUA TRAVELLED TO HASTINGS TO MEET HIM. (CHEERFUL MUSIC) # OH-OH-OH... INSIDE ANY LIBRARY, IN THE CHILDREN'S SECTION, YOU'LL ALWAYS FIND A KID. BUT GABRIEL MAGNO IS NOT YOUR AVERAGE KID. 'THE CASE OF THE EMPTY JAM JAR', WRITTEN BY GABRIEL MAGNO. AT JUST 10 YEARS OLD, HE'S A PUBLISHED AUTHOR. NICK WAS 9 AND SOPHIE WAS 7. THEY BOTH LOVED JAM. THE STORY IS ABOUT... WELL, I'LL LET HIM TELL YOU. IT'S ABOUT THESE TWO KIDS WHO LOVE JAM. THEN THEY SUDDENLY FIND OUT THAT THEIR JAM JAR IS EMPTY. SO THEY GO ON AN ADVENTURE TO SEE WHO HAS STOLEN ALL THEIR JAM. THE WHODUNNIT NOVEL SETS OUT TO FIND THE CULPRIT, THE SUSPECT ONE OF THE NEIGHBOURHOOD ANIMALS, THE BOOK INSPIRED BY HIS BIGGEST FAN. WHEN I WAS WRITING THE STORY, SHE WAS RIGHT THERE WITH A JAR OF JAM. SHE IS 6-YEAR-OLD SISTER ISABELLA. WHAT'S YOUR FAVOURITE PART IN THE BOOK? WHEN THEY SET THE TRAP AND THEN THEY DISCOVER IT WAS THE SQUIRRELS. (GASPS) YOU'VE JUST GIVEN IT AWAY. (BOTH LAUGH) LIKE ANY LOVING 10-YEAR-OLD,... WHO'S YOUR FAVOURITE PLAYER? STEPHEN CURRY. ...THIS BIG SHOT IS ALSO PURSUING HIS DREAM OF BECOMING A PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALLER. AH-HA! IF YOU HAD A CHOICE BETWEEN BASKETBALL AND WRITING BOOKS, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU CHOOSE? OH, THAT'S A REALLY HARD QUESTION. YEAH, YOU'RE THINKING. HE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST BASKETBALL PLAYERS I KNOW. WHAT ABOUT HIM WRITING A BOOK? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? HE'S... HE'S GOOD. YEAH. JUST GOOD? NAH, HE'S BETTER THAN GOOD. HE HAS THE GUTS TO WRITE A BOOK, AND I CAN'T. (SCHOOL BELL RINGS) HI, MAMA. HOW WAS SCHOOL? BUT FOR GABRIEL'S FAMILY, IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN AN EASY PATH TO SUCCESS. NINE YEARS AGO HIS PARENTS MOVED TO NEW ZEALAND FROM THE PHILIPPINES TO GIVE THEIR SON A BETTER FUTURE. THAT MEANT LIVING APART FROM GABRIEL FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS. MUM'S NOW AN ACCOUNTANT, AND DAD'S A REGISTERED NURSE. AND IT'S HERE IN THEIR NAPIER HOME WHERE GABRIEL PENNED HIS FIRST DRAFT. I REMEMBER HE HANDED OVER ME THAT FIRST MANUSCRIPT, AND I STARTED READING THROUGH IT, AND THEN SAID, 'WOW! IT REALLY HAPPENED. IT'S ALREADY A MANUSCRIPT.' JUST MORE A FEW MORE TWEAKS, AND THEN, YEAH, WE CAN MAKE IT A BOOK. 200 COPIES PUBLISHED, AND THREE-QUARTERS SOLD AND DISPLAYED ON SCHOOL SHELVES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS ACHIEVEMENT, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO REMAIN HUMBLE. WE ALWAYS TELL HIM, YOU GIVE YOUR BEST AT EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO, AND GOD WILL DO THE REST. HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE MUM AND DAD? THEY'RE AN AMAZING MUM AND DAD. THANK YOU, MUM AND DAD, FOR ENCOURAGING ME. # SO YOU CAN KEEP ME... # INSIDE THE POCKET OF YOUR RIPPED JEANS. ARE THESE HAPPY TEARS? (SNIFFLES) TELL ME WHAT'S GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND NOW. I NEVER THOUGHT I COULD REALLY MAKE IT TO THIS MOMENT. BUT YOU DID. HERE'S YOUR BOOK. THIS IS THE MOMENT. SO, WHAT DOES A YEAR SIX KID PLAN TO DO WITH HIS EARNINGS? 20% OF MONEY MADE FROM THE BOOK GOES TO OUR SCHOOL GYMNASIUM YOU CAN SEE OUT THERE. AND THE REST I'M GOING TO PUT INTO INVESTING. ISABELLA, YOU'VE GOTTA GET A CUT. YES. YEAH. HE'S CAUGHT ON TO, I GUESS, THE WHOLE CULTURE OF THE SCHOOL. WE WANT TO HELP FIND WAYS TO SERVE AND TO BLESS. AND HE'S... HE'S SEEN THIS AS HIS WAY OF JUST BEING ABLE TO GIVE BACK TO THE SCHOOL, WHICH MAKES US SO PROUD. NOW GABRIEL IS PENNING HIS SECOND BOOK. THE DETAILS? WELL, HE'S KEEPING THAT CLOSE TO HIS HEART. JUST ABOUT CRYING. YOU MADE US CRY. ISN'T HE GORGEOUS. A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE WE LAST CAUGHT UP WITH MOMMA'S BOY, A FAMILY ROCK BAND THAT FORMED DURING LOCKDOWN. SINCE THEN, THEY'VE GAINED ALMOST 2 MILLION LIKES ON TIKTOK, AND SOME VERY FAMOUS FANS. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A PARTY. LET'S DANCE! KEVIN BACON, RINGO STARR, THE ROLLING STONES... SOME OF THE BIGGEST STARS IN THE WORLD. WHAT DO THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON? (RECORD SCRATCH) (ROCK MUSIC) THEY'RE ALL FANS OF MOMMA'S BOY, A FAMILY BAND HAILING FROM WAIKATO. MOMMA'S BOY ` SINCE WE LAST CAUGHT UP WITH YOU, YOU RELEASED AN ALBUM? THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. IT'S APTLY TITLED 'WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?' BECAUSE IT KIND OF SUMMARISES THE WHOLE JOURNEY ` WE DID NOT THINK WE'D BE RELEASING AN ALBUM. IT'S QUITE COOL TO BE RECOGNISED AS LIKE AN ARTIST SEPARATE FROM JUST THE TIKTOK STUFF. BECAUSE THE TIKTOK STUFF IS REALLY TAKING OFF, RIGHT? YEAH! IT IS. IN A BIG WAY. # I WISH I WAS SPECIAL... # RINGO STARR, LIMP BIZKIT, THE ROLLING STONES ` EVEN KEVIN BACON! THESE STARS ARE WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS AND LIKING, REACTING, SHARING. HOW DOES IT FEEL? THE ROLLING STONES ONE WAS FUN BECAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY TOILET-SCROLLING, WHERE YOU'RE JUST SITTING ON THERE LIKE THAT. AND IT CAME UP AND I WAS LIKE, 'OH, ROLLING STONES ARE ON TIKTOK, 'THIS IS INTERESTING.' AND THEN WE CAME UP AND I YEAH, I JUST DROPPED EVERYTHING AND CALLED DAD ON THE TOILET, I WAS LIKE, 'DAD, THIS IS CRAZY! 'STONES! THEY'VE SHOUTED US OUT.' # GET WHAT YOU NEED, OH YEAH! # HOW DOES IT FEEL TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU ADMIRE ADMIRING YOUR WORK BACK? IT'S JUST VERY VALIDATING, BECAUSE IT'S THIS LOVELY KIND OF CIRCULAR MOMENT WHERE THE WHOLE REASON WE GOT INTO MAKING MUSIC WAS BECAUSE OF THESE GUYS, AND NOW THE FACT THEY'RE GOING, 'HEY, THE MUSIC YOU GUYS ARE MAKING IS PRETTY COOL,' IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT'LL INSPIRE MORE FROM US. IT JUST STARTED OFF SERIOUSLY AS A KID SHOWING MUM HOW TO PLAY DRUMS, AND WHICH IS HILARIOUS IN ITSELF BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY MUSICAL, YOU KNOW, INTEREST AT ALL, EXCEPT FOR JUST LISTENING TO MUSIC. AND THEN AND THAT'S HOW IT STARTED. AND, THEN IT'S JUST, GONE CRAZY. (UPBEAT ROCK MUSIC) I'VE GOT ONE LAST QUESTION ` ARE YOU LOOKING FOR NEW MEMBERS? MAYBE A VERY DISTANTLY RELATED RED-HAIRED COUSIN. OH, YEAH. WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERING IT. YES, WE HAVE, HAVEN'T WE? WE'LL SEE HOW YOU GO. THE PANEL` THE PANEL IS HERE. THE PANEL IS ALREADY HERE. WE'VE GOT SIMON, RANDY AND PAULA. YEAH. (LAUGHS) IF MUM AND DAD CAN DO IT, ANYONE CAN. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO LEARN? WE'VE GOT GUITARS, DRUMS... UM, DO YOU HAVE, LIKE, ONE OF THOSE SHAKERS? YEAH, JUST OVER THERE. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THAT SOUNDS ACHIEVABLE IN FIVE MINUTES. OK, SO WE'RE AIMING FOR LIKE A (IMITATES GENTLE MARACA RHYTHM). THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. THAT'S IT. (UPBEAT ROCK MUSIC, WITH MARACAS) MOMMA'S BOY MADE IT LOOK EASY, BUT I WAS STRUGGLING. SO JUST LIKE THEIR 100K FOLLOWERS, I LET IT BE AND CHEERED THEM ON FROM THE SIDE-LINE. (INTRO TO THE BEATLES' 'COME TOGETHER') # COME TOGETHER, # RIGHT NOW` # (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) YOU'RE SO GOOD! I'M A FAN, I'M A FAN! WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A MOMENT. ON THE SHOW TOMORROW ` GOT A FAVOURITE DINNER RECIPE? WE TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT KIWIS LOVE, AND LOVE TO HATE. THOSE WERE OUR PEOPLE TODAY. THAT WAS SEVEN SHARP TONIGHT. FAIR GO IS UP NEXT. WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW. PO MARIE. CHEERIO. CAPTIONS BY KRISTIN WILLIAMS, SEAN LYDIARD AND JAMES BROWN. CAPTIONS WERE MADE WITH THE SUPPORT OF NZ ON AIR. WWW.ABLE.CO.NZ COPYRIGHT ABLE 2023