IT'S THURSDAY THE 24TH OF AUGUST. MORENA, THIS IS BREAKFAST. IT IS LOVELY TO HAVE YOU WITH US. SEGREGATION USE IN OUR PRISONS IS GOING UP, ACCORDING TO NEW DATA RELEASED TO BREAKFAST THIS MORNING. HUNDREDS OF PRISONERS ARE SPENDING LONGER THAN FIFTEEN DAYS HUNDREDS OF PRISONERS ARE SPENDING LONGER THAN 15 DAYS IN SEGREGATION, WHICH THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS IS A FORM OF PROLONGED TORTURE. IS A FORM OF TORTURE. WE'LL REVEAL THOSE NUMBERS AFTER 7.00 AND SPEAK TO A FORMER PRISONER WHO IS SHARING HIS STORY AS WELL AS A FORMER CORRECTIONS PSYCHOLOGIST. INDIA HAS MADE HISTORY, BECOMING THE FIRST COUNTRY TO TOUCH DOWN A SPACECRAFT TO LAND NEAR THE MOON'S SOUTH POLE. WE WILL HAVE MORE ON HOW THEY DID IT SHORTLY. MAKING HEADLINES THIS MORNING ` THE BOSS OF THE WAGNER GROUP YEVGENY PRIGOZHIN IS AMONG THE PASSENGER LIST OF A PLANE THAT HAS CRASHED IN RUSSIA, WHICH HAS KILLED ALL 10 PEOPLE ON BOARD. PRIGOZHIN PREVIOUSLY LED A FAILED MUTINY AGAINST RUSSIAN FORCES BACK IN JUNE. WE'LL HAVE MORE UPDATES THROUGHOUT THE MORNING. AND ALSO THIS MORNING ` # THERE'S A MAN # AT THE BAR # 3 STARTING INTO SPACE... DECADES OF SERVICE TO THE MUSIC INDUSTRY ` ONE OF OUR MOST PROLIFIC SONGWRITERS ENTERS THE NZ MUSIC HALL OF FAME ONE OF OUR MOST PROLIFIC SONGWRITERS ENTERS THE NZ MUSIC HALL OF FAME. # WHAT'S THAT THING ON HIS HEAD? # MUST HAVE HAD QUITE A FALL. # NOW CHRIS WITH THE NEWS. INDIA HAS MADE SPACE EXPLORATION HISTORY, BECOMING THE FIRST COUNTRY TO MARK ITS TERRITORY ON THE MOON'S SOUTH POLE, A COMPLETELY UNEXPLORED PART OF THE LUNAR SURFACE. THE ATTEMPT COMES DAYS AFTER RUSSIA'S LUNA-25 SPACECRAFT CRASHED INTO THE MOON IN ITS BID TO GET THERE FIRST. CRASHED IN ITS BID TO GET THERE FIRST. THE BBC'S SAMIRA HUSSAIN HAS MORE. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) SOFT LANDING ON THE MOON. INDIA IS ON THE MOON. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) IT WAS A MOMENT SEVERAL DECADES IN THE MAKING, AND ON ITS THIRD ATTEMPT, INDIA GOT IT RIGHT. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) AS MISSION CONTROL CELEBRATED, SO TO DID AN ENTIRE NATION, AS DID THESE SPACE ENTHUSIASTS. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT FOR INDIA, AND EVEN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. INDIA IS NOW IN AN ELITE CLASS OF SPACE EXPLORERS GETTING TO THE SOUTH POLE OF THE MOON, SOMETHING THAT NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS MANAGED TO ACHIEVE. NEARLY 7 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED THE LIVE STREAM ON YOUTUBE, AND VISA SPACE ENTHUSIASTS WERE FEELING ALL THE FEELS ` EXCITEMENT, RELIEF, AND EVEN TEARS. (ROCKET RUMBLES) IT WAS ONLY SIX WEEKS AGO WHEN THE LANDER LAUNCHED, ALONG WITH IT, THE HOPES OF AN ENTIRE COUNTRY. SPEAKING VIA VIDEO LINK IN A JOHANNESBURG, INDIA'S PRIME MINISTER MODI SAID THE LANDING WAS MORE THAN JUST A VICTORY FOR HIS COUNTRY. THIS SUCCESS BELONGS TO ALL OF HUMANITY! AND IT WILL HELP MOON MISSIONS BY OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE FUTURE. THESE GRAINY PHOTOGRAPHS WERE TAKEN AS THE LANDER MADE ITS DESCENT ON TO THE SURFACE OF THE MOON. WHAT WAS IT LIKE WHEN YOU SAW THE LANDER MAKE IT TO THE MOON? I CHEERED FOR ISRO. ISRO, ISRO! IT WAS A VERY PROUD MOMENT FOR ME, IN FACT. I REALLY FELT THE PRIDE OF BEING AN INDIAN. INDIA'S AMBITIOUS SPACE PROGRAMME HAS DELIVERED THE COUNTRY A WIN. IT HAS EMERGED AS A MAJOR PLAYER IN THE GLOBAL SPACE RACE. THE BOSS OF THE WAGNER MERCENARY GROUP YEVGENY PRIGOZHIN IS BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN ON BOARD A PLANE WHICH HAS CRASHED NORTH OF MOSCOW, LEAVING NO SURVIVORS. IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT THE PRIVATE JET WAS SHOT DOWN BY AIR DEFENCES WHILE EN ROUTE TO SAINT PETERSBURG. EIGHT BODIES HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM THE WRECKAGE. RUSSIAN CIVIL AVIATION SAYS PRIGOZHIN WAS ON THE PLANE'S PASSENGER LIST. THE PLANE CRASH COMES AFTER PRIGOZHIN LED A FAILED REBELLION AGAINST THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IN JUNE. GUNSHOTS HAVE BEEN HEARD IN THE U.S. CITY OF PITTSBURGH IN WHAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED AS AN 'EXTREMELY ACTIVE SHOOTER' SITUATION. (GUNSHOTS) (GUNSHOTS) AUTHORITIES SAYS THE SUSPECT OPENED FIRE ON SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES WHO WERE TRYING TO EVICT HIM. THE FBI SAYS IT'S ASSISTING LOCAL AUTHORITIES. RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN EVACUATED FROM NEARBY HOUSEHOLDS. ONE PERSON HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AFTER A SUDDEN DEATH IN THE AUCKLAND SUBURB OF EPSOM. EMERGENCY SERVICES RESPONDED TO REPORTS OF A PERSON WITH SERIOUS INJURIES AT A MOTEL YESTERDAY EVENING. THE PERSON DIED AT THE SCENE. A SCENE GUARD IS IN PLACE, WHILE POLICE WORK TO DETERMINE THE CAUSE OF DEATH. POLICE HAVE ARRESTED TWO PEOPLE IN RELATION TO THE DEATH OF A 70-YEAR-OLD MAN IN AN APARTMENT ON AUCKLAND'S UPPER QUEEN STREET YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. A 35-YEAR-OLD MAN AND A 26-YEAR-OLD WOMAN ARE EXPECTED TO APPEAR IN AUCKLAND'S DISTRICT COURT TODAY. A POLICE PRESENCE WILL REMAIN AT THE APARTMENT AS STAFF WORK TO COMPLETE A SCENE EXAMINATION. CHRISTCHURCH'S ONLY 24-HOUR SURGERY IS SET TO CLOSE OVERNIGHT SEVERAL TIMES IN THE COMING WEEKS, DUE TO NURSE SHORTAGES. THERE WILL BE FIVE SCHEDULED CLOSURES FROM MIDNIGHT TO 8am. PEGASUS HEALTH SAYS NURSES ARE LEAVING DUE TO BETTER WAGE OFFERS THAT THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH. MORE CLOSURES ARE EXPECTED AS THE SURGERY GRAPPLES WITH ONGOING STAFF SHORTAGES. TO SPORT ` THE ALL BLACKS HAVE NAMED A STRONG TEAM TO FACE SOUTH AFRICA IN THEIR FINAL MATCH BEFORE THE RUGBY WORLD CUP. LUKE JACOBSON WILL RECEIVE HIS FIRST START IN THE NUMBER 6 JERSEY. COACH IAN FOSTER SAYS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PROTECT PLAYERS WHEN SELECTING THIS TEAM. GAP BETWEEN THE LAST TEST AND THE FRANCE GAME WAS TOO LATE FOR US TO USE THIS GAME AS A COTTON-WOOL EXERCISE. SO, CLEARLY, WE HAVE GOT TWO OR THREE PLAYERS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AFTER IN AN INJURY PERSPECTIVE, FOR THE REST OF THEM, IT IS A GREAT TEST MATCH TWO WEEKS BEFORE A WORLD CUP, AND THE ONLY WAY TO GO INTO THIS IS A FULL THROTTLE. IT'S THE FIRST TIME THE ALL BLACKS HAVE PLAYED DEFENDING CHAMPIONS AT TWICKENHAM SINCE THE 2015 WORLD CUP SEMI-FINAL. AND FINALLY ` SINGER DON MCGLASHAN WILL BE INDUCTED TO THE NEW ZEALAND MUSIC HALL OF FAME AT THIS YEAR'S SCROLL AWARDS. # ANCHOR ME, # ANCHOR ME... MCGLASHAN'S KNOW FOR CREATING KIWI CLASSICS LIKE 'ANCHOR ME' AND 'DOMINION ROAD' AS PART OF THE BAND 'THE MUTTON BIRDS', THE MULTI-TALENTED MCGLASHAN WAS ALSO ONE HALF OF THEATRICAL GROUP 'THE FRONT LAWN', A FILM COMPOSER, AND BEHIND THE NEW ZEALAND BALLAD 'BATHE IN THE RIVER', AS WELL AS AN ACTIVIST. JUST TO SHARE THAT HALL OF FAME WITH ALL THE PEOPLE BACK IN NEW ZEALAND MUSIC HISTORY AND CURRENT MUSICIAN FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES FEELS LIKE SOMETHING THAT I NEVER WOULD HAVE DREAMED OF GROWING UP IN MUSIC. THIS YEAR'S SILVER SCROLL AWARDS WILL TAKE PLACE ON THE 4TH OF OCTOBER. AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER THIS MORNING. TO THE TOP OF THE COUNTRY ` IT'S A FINE DAY WITH A BIT OF CLOUD FOR MOST OF YOU TODAY. BLUE SKIES FOR THOSE IN WHITIANGA. 14 THE HIGH FOR RUSSELL. FURTHER SOUTH ` IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY FROSTY START IF YOU'RE IN TAUPO, OTHERWISE A NICE FINE DAY FOR ALL OF YOU. 14 THE HIGH FOR WHAKATANE. TO THE EAST COAST ` IT'S A PARTLY CLOUDY START TO YOUR MORNING FOR YOU GUYS. THIS WILL THEN CLEAR TO A FINE DAY HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. 14 THE HIGH FOR NAPIER. OVER TO THE WEST ` A FINE START, WITH SOME MORNING FROST FOR THOSE IN TAUMARUNUI AND WHANGANUI. SUNSHINE FOR THE REST OF YOUR DAY. 13 THE HIGH FOR LEVIN. TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` IT'S A CLOUDY MORNING FOR YOU ALL, BEFORE TURNING TO FINE HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON FOR THOSE ON THE EAST. 13 THE HIGH FOR GREYMOUTH. HEADING SOUTH ` ANOTHER CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF YOU TODAY, WITH SOME MORNING FROST ACROSS THE REGION. 12 THE HIGH FOR TIMARU. TO THE DEEP SOUTH ` IT'LL ALSO GOING TO BE A CLOUDY DAY FOR YOU ALL, WITH SOME SHOWERS FOR MOST HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. HEAVY RAIN FOR THOSE IN OBAN. 14 THE HIGH FOR GORE. IN THE GLOBAL SPACE RACE, INDIA HAS COME OUT ON TOP, ONLY BECOMING THE FIRST TO SUCCESSFULLY LAND A SPACECRAFT ON THE MOON'S SOUTH POLE. THIS COMES AFTER RUSSIA'S LUNAR MISSION ENDED IN FAILURE EARLIER THIS WEEK. FOR MORE, WE'RE JOINED BY AUCKLAND UNIVERSITY ASTRONOMER NICHOLAS RATTENBURY. THANKS SO MUCH. DID YOU STAY AND WATCH THE LANDING? I TRIED, BUT IT HAD BEEN A BUSY WEEK SO FAR, SO I HAD TO GET SOME SLEEP. I HAVE WOKEN UP ABOUT HALF AN OREGON. I WOKE UP ABOUT HALF-AN-HOUR ADO* WHAT YOU THINK OF THE NEW SURVEY LANDED SUCCESSFULLY? IT IS A CHALLENGING PLACE TO LAND LANDER. IT IS HEAVILY CRATERED. AS YOU MENTIONED, THE RUSSIAN LANDER ATTEMPTED AND FAILED. CHANDRAYAAN-2 ATTEMPTED AS WELL, BUT THAT ALSO FAILED, SO THIS IS A FANTASTIC ACHIEVEMENT BY THE INDIAN SPACE AGENCY, AND IT IS HOPEFULLY GOING TO PAY THE WAY FOR FUTURE ISOLATION OF THAT AREA. EXPLORATION* ARE IF YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST, WHY BE THE 4TH TO GO TO THE MOON? BECAUSE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOON SINCE THE LAST TIME HUMANS WERE ON THE MOON HAS CHANGED. WE HAVE LEARNT A LOT MORE ABOUT THE MOON'S SURFACE AND THE MOODS FORMATION, AND WE MADE A DISCOVERY BACK IN 2008, CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS WATER IN SOME OF THE CRATERS IN THE SOUTH POLAR REGION OF THE MOON. WATER IS A FANTASTICALLY VALUABLE RESEARCH, AS WE KNOW, FOR HUMAN LIFE ` WE NEEDED TO STAY ALIVE. AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR ANY CRUDE MISSION TO ANY OTHER SURFACE IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM. AS A STEPPING STONE, DISCOVERING WATER ON THE SURFACE OF THE MOON IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY VALUABLE FOR THOSE NATIONS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE WATER WITH YOU TO THOSE OF THE WORLD'S, YOU CAN EXTRACT IT FROM THE LUNAR SURFACE AND USE THAT IN YOUR CREWED EXPLORATION. AT THE MOMENT, IN ANY SPACE MISSION, YOU HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING WITH YOU ` SPARE PARTS, TEDDIES? YES, EVERYTHING, YOU NAME IT. WHAT IS A RESOURCE VALUABLE FOR HUMAN LIFE, IT CAN ALSO BE USED FOR FUEL. YOU CAN SPIT IT UP AND USE IT TO FUEL SPACECRAFTS OR SYSTEMS TO GENERATE POWER. I HAVE NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. JUST WHICH MAY NOT, NICHOLAS, BECAUSE I HAVE READ A BIT ABOUT THE MISSION, I LOVE SPACE, BUT I DON'T MUCH ABOUT SPACE, THE CHANDRAYAAN-3 DIDN'T HAVE ASTRONAUTS ON IT, WE'RE NOT CONNECTING TO SEE ANOTHER STEP ONTO THE SURFACE OF THE SOUTH POLE? THIS IS AN UNCREWED MISSION? CHANDRAYAAN-3 HAD A LANDER AND IT LANDED SAFELY IN THE MOON, AND IT WILL DEPLOY A LITTLE ROVER. THAT LITTLE ROVER WILL EXIT THE LANDER AND DRIVE AROUND ON THE SURFACE ON THE MOON. THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS OF THE CHANDRAYAAN-3 MISSION ` TO DEVASTATE THE ABILITY TO SOFT LAND ON THE MOON AND OPERATE A ROVER, THE ROVER WILL GO ROUND ON THE SURFACE ON THE MOON AND SELECT DATA FROM THE MOON TO ALLOW SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO EXTRACT RESOURCES FROM THE MOON SURFACE. GETTING ANYWAY INVOLVED IN THE SPACE RACE IS VERY EXPENSIVE, DO THEY GET THIS ROCKET BACK? THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET BACK ANYTHING FROM THIS MISSION. ALTHOUGH, OTHER NATIONS HAVE DIVAN TO MISSIONS WHICH HAVE GONE TO OTHER WORLD SURFACES AND ARE PROPOSING TO BRING MATERIALS BACK. THIS IS A MISSION WHICH IS A STEPPING STONE TOWARDS FUTURE CREWED EXPLOSIONS ON THE SURFACE OF THE MOON. IT COMES AT A TIME WHEN THE LIKES OF NASA, FOR INSTANCE, ARE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPING CREWED MISSIONS TO OTHER WORLDS, TO THE MOON FIRST OF ALL, THEN FURTHER AFIELD TO MARS. THIS IS IMPORTANT FIRST STEP AS YOUR INTRODUCTORY PIECE MENTIONED, THIS IS A PART OF A LARGER... DON'T WANT TO SAY RACE, BUT A LARGER EFFORT AROUND THE WORLD TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET HUMANS BACK ONTO THE LUNAR SURFACE, AND THEN FURTHER AFIELD TO THE SURFACE OF MARS. VERY INSIGHTFUL, THANK YOU NICHOLAS. GO BACK-TO-BACK, IT IS ONLY 4:15 IN THE MORNING. NO, DON'T DO IT, STAY UP. E WHAI AKE NEI, COMING UP ` SUPPLY CHAIN PAIN MAY BE EASING FOR KIWI EXPORTERS, BUT THEY'RE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS YET. THAT CONVERSATION COMING UP AFTER THE BREAK. - Hey, Toyota. Got something that's not... new? - Yeah! Have you seen what's on Toyota.co.nz? - What are the chances you actually have what I'm looking for? - Pretty good! - Will it have any quirks? - Only if that's what you're into. - Uh, how do I know if it's any good? - Well, you are buying from Toyota, so there's that. - But I need something that comes with a warranty. - Well, Signature Class and Toyota Certified vehicles do. - That's a relief. SO MANY ROOMS IN THE STUDIO, THAT IS THE TRICK. CHILL OUT IN THE OTHER LOUNGE. WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. BEFORE GET BACK TO JENNY MAY, WE'RE TALKING DRUG DECOLONISATION. DRUG DECRIMINALISATION* SCOTLAND ARE CONSIDERING DECRIMINALISING ALL DRUGS. THEY HAVE QUITE A PROBLEM WITH DRUG DEATHS IN SCOTLAND. ABOUT 1300 DEATHS IN 2021 DUE TO DRUGS, SO THEY ARE SAYING THAT THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. ' WHATEVER WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW, IT IS NOT WORKING. THERE LOOKING TO PORTUGAL, WHO HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DECRIMINALISED DRUGS. PORTUGAL HAVE FOUND OUT THAT IT IS NOT LED TO AN INCREASE IN DRUG USE, BUT IT HAS DECREASED DRUG DEATHS. IT IS OBVIOUSLY ONE WHERE YOUR FIRST REACTION IS QUITE VISCERAL, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY WHOA... THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED ADDICTION THEMSELVES, AND IT IS A SCARY THING TO THINK SHOULD WE BE MAKING IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON DRUGS? I MUST CONFESS, YOU THINK THE EQUALISER DRUGS, YOU HAVE TO GO HARD ON IT. I READ A BOOK CALLED WAR ON DRUGS, AND IT DRAMATICALLY CHANGED MY OPINION ON THE MATTER. THAT IS BIG FOR YOU. TO CHANGE MY OPINION, EXACTLY! THAT IS COMING UP AT ABOUT 6.40 THIS MORNING. RISING INTEREST RATES AND COST OF LIVING PRESSURES AREN'T JUST SQUEEZING THE EVERYDAY KIWI, BUT OUR EXPORT INDUSTRY TOO. SUPPLY CHAIN PAIN MAY BE EASING, BUT A NEW REPORT SHOWS NEARLY 90% OF EXPORTERS HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN TOTAL COSTS. 52% SAY THE COST AND AVAILABILITY OF TRANSPORT REMAINS THE NUMBER ONE BARRIER, REMAINS THE NUMBER-ONE BARRIER, WITH 24% STILL EXPERIENCING A DECREASE IN ORDERS. TO DISCUSS THE EXPORT NZ DHL EXPORT BAROMETER, WE'RE JOINED NOW BY CHITRA SHINDE FROM DHL. OUT OF OUR EXPORTERS DOING IT ACCORDING TO THIS LATEST BAROMETER? I THINK WITH EXPORTERS ARE SAYING IS THAT THEY ARE STRUGGLING THE MOST WITH THE RISING COST OF SUPPLY CHAINS. SO THEY GET HIT NOT JUST BY THE COST OF LOGISTICS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND SUPPLY CHAINS, THEY ARE HOLDING ONTO A LOT MORE INVENTORY. THERE IS THAT AT A COST AS WELL. AND THEN WITH THE DOLLAR FOR TRADING QUITE A BIT, THE COST OF PROCURING RAW MATERIAL FROM OVERSEAS MARKETS STILL HIGH. HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO LAST YEAR? DEFINITELY THEY ARE STARTING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN HOW MUCH EXPORTS ` NEARLY 30% ARE SEEING AN EXPORT INCREASE. WE ARE SEEING THAT IN NARROW NUMBERS AS WELL. WE ARE SEEING A 50% INCREASE THAN WE DID IN 2019. THEY OPTIMISTIC OF WHAT TO EXPECT ` OVER 50% OF THEM ARE SAYING THAT THEY EXPECT BETTER RECOVERY AND BETTER EXPORTS. YOU TALK ABOUT OPTIMISM, AND A LOT OF THE EXPORTERS ARE SAYING IT IS WHAT IT IS. YOU HAVE TO STAY POSITIVE ONCE THE POTENTIAL FUTURE LOOKS LIKE. I WONDER ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE FREE-TRADE AGREEMENT WITH THE UK AND THE EUROPEAN UNION ` IS THAT HAVING AN IMPACT? YES AND NO. WE ARE SEEING A SLIGHT DECLINE IN DEPENDENCE ON AUSTRALIA. WE HAD ABOUT 81% OF EXPORTS GOING TO AUSTRALIA, AND THAT HAS DROPPED DOWN TO 75%, AND IT HAS PICKED UP TO THE UK, U.S. AND EUROPE. THEY ARE DEFTLY WANTING MORE FTAs. COST OF BUSINESS IS QUITE HIGH NEW ZEALAND ` IS ANYWAY AROUND IT? ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS THAT THEY ARE REDUCING THEIR OWN COSTS LOCALLY, THROUGH THINGS LIKE OPTIMISATION AND REDUCING WASTE, NEARLY 40% OF THEM HAVE CHANGED THEIR SERVICE PROVIDERS. THEY ARE SOURCING LOCALLY. SO DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS` SOME OF THEM ALSO INTRODUCING NEW PRODUCTS AND NEW SERVICES, EXPLORING NEW MARKETS. THEY ARE DOING THEIR LEVEL BEST TO TRY AND COMBAT AND MAKE SHORT GROWTH CONTINUES FOR THEM. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING IN THE STUDIO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. FOR MORE ON THOSE CHALLENGES, WE'RE JOINED BY SIRMA KARAPEEVA FROM THE MEAT INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION. WHAT ART MEET EXPORTERS SEEING AS THE BIGGEST BARRIERS AT THE MOMENT? GOOD MORNING, JENNY MAY. VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS GUEST, WE ARE SEEING INCREASING COSTS AND CHARGES IN THE GLOBAL MARKET. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES AT THE MOMENT AS THE SOFTENING GLOBAL PRICES, WE EXPORT TO OVER HUNDRED 10 MARKETS ACROSS THE WORLD, SO WE DO RELY ON THAT GLOBAL PRICES TO SELL OUR PRODUCTS, AND WE ARE SEEING THE PRICE GOING DOWN, LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE GLOBAL ECONOMIC CONDITIONS THAT ARE IMPACTING CONSUMERS SPENDING ACROSS THE GLOBE, WE ARE SO WE ARE SEEING MORE CONSERVATIVE SPENDING FROM CONSUMERS AS THEY TIGHTEN THEIR BELTS TO DEAL WITH THE COST OF IN CRISIS IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES. PERHAPS THAT SPENDING IS NOT AS A DRAGON AS IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. WE ARE STARTING TO FEEL THE PINCH. WE ARE STARTING TO FEEL THAT NOT ONLY AT THE EXPORT MARKET, BUT IT FLOWS RIGHT THROUGH TO THE FARM GATE, AND FARMERS ARE STARTING TO DO IT HARD AS WELL. THEY ARE DEALING WITH FALLING GLOBAL PRICES AND THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS IN NEW ZEALAND DUE TO THE REGULAR TERRY IMPACT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH. IT IS NOT EXACT A GREAT TIME, BUT HOPEFULLY IT IS TEMPORARY. YOU TALK ABOUT A SOFTENING GLOBAL MARKET, I WONDER ABOUT CHINA'S ECONOMY, WHICH IS SLOWING, WHICH WE KNOW IS HAVING AN IMPACT ON HERE IN NEW ZEALAND, IS THAT HAVING AN IMPACT ON THE MEAT INDUSTRY? CHINA IS ONE OF OUR LARGEST MARKETS. IN FACT, IT IS OUR LARGEST MARKET. FOR SHEEP AND BEEF MEAT. IT IS HAVING A IMPACT, POST COVID, WHEN THEY REMOVED THAT ZERO COVID POLICIES, THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION THAT CONSUMERS WOULD GO OUT AND SPEND AS THEY USED TO IN THE PAST. AND FOR CHILE, THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED TO THE SAME LEVELS AS WE EXPECTED. IT HAS BEEN A BIT MORE CONSTRAINED. EXPORTS TO CHINA HAVE DROPPED, AND THEY ARE NOT BUYING AS MUCH. THEY ALSO HAVE VERY HIGH INVENTORY SITTING IN THEIR COLD STORES AT THE MOMENT, SO IT HAS TO MOVE THROUGH THE SYSTEM BEFORE THEY ARE READY TO START PURCHASING AGAIN. I HAVE GOT TO WRAP THINGS UP, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER YOU CAN DO... DO THIS IN THAT TIME. WITH THE ELECTIONS TENANTS AWAY, HOW CAN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES SUPPORT OUR EXPORTERS? IT HAS TO START AT HOME AND JUST HAVING A LOOK AT THE NEW REGULATIONS UNCOORDINATED AND POORLY THOUGHT THROUGH REGULATION HAVE ON FARMS AND BUSINESSES REALLY IMPORTANT. OPENING OUR DOORS TO THE UK. THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE FTA AND THE UK. REDUCING AS BARRIERS TO TRADE AROUND THE WORLD, THAT ALL HELPS. IT'S PRETTY CHALLENGING GLOBALLY AT THE MOMENT. BRILLIANT ANSWER TO THE LAST QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ME U TONU MAI. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK AFTER THE BREAK WITH YOUR 6.30 NEWS. PLUS, WE WILL HAVE MORE ON THE PLANE CRASH THAT KILLED THE BOSS OF WAGNER. INDIA HAS MADE SPACE EXPLORATION HISTORY. IT IS ON THE MOON! INDIA IS NOW THE FIRST COUNTRY TO MARK ITS TERRITORY ON THE MOON'S SOUTH POLE, A COMPLETELY UNEXPLORED PART OF THE LUNAR SURFACE WHICH IS THOUGHT TO HOLD IMPORTANT MINERALS, INCLUDING FROZEN WATER. THE LANDER IS ROAMING THE SATELLITE'S SURFACE, COLLECTING DATA AND IMAGES TO BE SENT BACK TO EARTH FOR ANALYSIS. INDIA'S SUCCESS COMES JUST DAYS AFTER RUSSIA'S LUNA-25 SPACECRAFT CRASHED IN ITS BID TO GET THERE FIRST. RUSSIAN CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITIES SAY THE BOSS OF THE WAGNER MERCENARY GROUP, YEVGENY PRIGOZHIN WAS ON THE PASSENGER LIST OF A PLANE WHICH HAS CRASHED NORTH OF MOSCOW, LEAVING NO SURVIVORS. IT HAS BEEN REPORTED LOCAL RESIDENTS HEARD LOUD BANGS AND SAW VAPOUR TRAILS, BEFORE THE PRIVATE JET CRASHED INTO THE GROUND WHILE EN ROUTE TO SAINT PETERSBURG. EIGHT BODIES HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM THE WRECKAGE. THE PLANE CRASH COMES AFTER PRIGOZHIN LED A FAILED REBELLION AGAINST THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IN JUNE. TWO PEOPLE WILL APPEAR IN AUCKLAND DISTRICT COURT TODAY IN RELATION TO THE MURDER OF A MAN (70) ON UPPER QUEEN ST. THE MAN (53) AND A WOMEN (26) WERE ARRESTED AFTER THE ELDERLY MAN'S DEATH YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. A POLICE PRESENCE WILL REMAIN AT THE APARTMENT TODAY AS STAFF WORK TO COMPLETE A SCENE EXAMINATION. AND A SCENE GUARD REMAINS AT A HOTEL IN EPSOM AFTER A SUDDEN DEATH LAST NIGHT. JUST BEFORE 7.30 LAST NIGHT, EMERGENCY SERVICES RESPONDED TO REPORTS THAT ONE PERSON HAD SERIOUS INJURIES. THEY LATER DIED AT THE SCENE. POLICE HAVE TAKEN ONE PERSON INTO CUSTODY WHO IS HELPING TO DETERMINE THE CAUSE OF DEATH. TWO MEN CONVICTED OF MULTIPLE CRIMES INCLUDING RAPE AND DRINK SPIKING AT CHRISTCHURCH BAR 'MAMA HOOCH' WILL BE SENTENCED LATER TODAY. BROTHERS DANNY AND ROBERTO JAZ WILL APPEAR IN THE CHRISTCHURCH DISTRICT COURT, WHERE EIGHT WOMEN WILL READ VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENTS. HALF OF NEW ZEALANDERS ARE ANXIOUS ABOUT THEIR LEVEL OF SAVINGS, OR HAVE NONE, AS THE COST OF LIVING CONTINUES TO HIT POCKETS. CONSUMER NZ'S DATA FOUND 65% OF KIWIS SAVE LESS THAN 5% OF THEIR INCOME, AND A THIRD SAY THEIR STANDARD OF LIVING HAS DECLINED OVER THE LAST YEAR. AND THERE'S MORE BAD NEWS ON THE WAY, WITH MORE THAN 4 IN 10 NEW ZEALANDERS ANTICIPATE THEIR SAVINGS WILL DECLINE IN THE COMING YEAR. TO SPORT ` THE ALL BLACKS HAVE NAMED A STRONG TEAM TO FACE SOUTH AFRICA IN THEIR FINAL MATCH BEFORE THE RUGBY WORLD CUP. LUKE JACOBSON WILL RECEIVE HIS FIRST START IN THE NUMBER 6 JERSEY. COACH IAN FOSTER SAYS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PROTECT PLAYERS WHEN SELECTING THIS TEAM. GAP BETWEEN THE LAST TEST AND THE FRANCE GAME WAS TOO LATE FOR US TO USE THIS GAME AS A COTTON-WOOL EXERCISE. SO, CLEARLY, WE HAVE GOT TWO OR THREE PLAYERS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AFTER IN AN INJURY PERSPECTIVE, FOR THE REST OF THEM, IT IS A GREAT TEST MATCH TWO WEEKS BEFORE A WORLD CUP, AND THE ONLY WAY TO GO INTO THIS IS A FULL THROTTLE. IT'S THE FIRST TIME THE ALL BLACKS HAVE PLAYED DEFENDING CHAMPIONS AT TWICKENHAM SINCE THE 2015 WORLD CUP SEMI-FINAL. WELLINGTON HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED RANFURLY THE SHIELD IN A LOW SCORING NPC MATCH, BEATING TASMAN 7-0 BOTH SIDES WERE UNABLE TO KICK THEIR ATTEMPTS AT GOAL, LEAVING NINE VALUABLE POINTS OUT ON THE FIELD. WELLINGTON BREAKING THE DEADLOCK THROUGH A DRIVING MAUL. HE IS STILL IN CONTROL, THEY WRAP AROUND. WHAT A SEASON HE IS HAVING IN 2023. THE LIONS' NEXT SHIELD DEFENCE IS AGAINST COUNTIES MANUKAU NEXT MONTH. AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER THIS MORNING. TO THE TOP OF THE COUNTRY ` MOSTLY CLOUDY, WITH SHOWERS THIS AFTERNOON. BLUE SKIES FOR THOSE IN WHITIANGA. FURTHER SOUTH ` IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY FROSTY START IF YOU'RE IN TAUPO, OTHERWISE A NICE, FINE DAY FOR ALL OF YOU. TO THE EAST COAST ` IT'S A PARTLY CLOUDY START TO YOUR MORNING FOR YOU GUYS. THIS WILL THEN CLEAR TO A FINE DAY HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. 14 THE HIGH FOR NAPIER. AND 13 FOR HASTINGS. OVER TO THE WEST ` A FINE START, WITH SOME MORNING FROST FOR THOSE IN TAUMARUNUI AND WHANGANUI. TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` IT'S A CLOUDY MORNING FOR YOU ALL, BEFORE TURNING TO FINE HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON FOR THOSE ON THE EAST. 13 DEGREES IS THE HIGH ON THE WEST COAST. HEADING SOUTH ` ANOTHER CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF YOU TODAY, WITH SOME MORNING FROST ACROSS THE REGION. 12 THE HIGH FOR TIMARU. AND CHRISTCHURCH. ALEXANDRA, YOU'RE ON TRACK FOR 14 DEGREES. TO THE DEEP SOUTH ` IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A CLOUDY DAY FOR YOU ALL, WITH SOME SHOWERS FOR MOST HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. HEAVY RAIN FOR THOSE IN OBAN. 14 THE HIGH FOR GORE. AND 15 IN DUNEDIN. DEVELOPING NEWS OUT OF RUSSIA. IT'S BELIEVED WAGNER MERCENARY BOSS YEVGENY PRIGOZHIN WAS LISTED AS A PASSENGER ON A PLANE WHICH HAS CRASHED, KILLING ALL TEN ON BOARD JUST NORTH OF MOSCOW. PROGOZHIN LEAD THE NOTORIOUS PRIVATE MILITARY GROUP WHO LED A FAILED REBELLION AGAINST RUSSIAN FORCES IN JUNE. INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS EXPERT ROBERT PATMAN JOINS US NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. AS THIS INFORMATION RELIABLE? WE STILL ARE TO JOIN THE DOTS THAT HE WAS ON BOARD. NOTHING HAS BEEN FULLY CONFIRMED YET, BUT IT WOULD APPEAR THAT INDEED HE HAS BEEN NAMED ON THE LAST. A MEDIA CHANNEL FAVOURED BY THE WAGNER GROUP SAID THE PLANE WAS SHUT DOWN. THERE ARE REPORTS OF VAPOUR TRAILS AND AIRBORNE EXPLOSIONS. WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. THERE ARE SPECULATIONS GIVEN WAGNER'S RESPONSE. THERE MAY BEEN SOME ATTEMPT TO TAKE A PLANE OUT, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO SEE. IT'S UNUSUAL FOR A PLANE TO COME DOWN, THE LINE FOR IT TO BE TAKEN DOWN. WHAT WOULD A VAPOUR TRAIL INDICATE? MANY PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE WHO HAVE FALLEN OUT WITH PUTIN ARE DEEMED TO BE AN ENEMY, AND HAVE AN UNHAPPY ENDING, SO TO SPEAK. WE SHOULD NOT RULE OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF OTHER GROUPS WHO MAY HAVE A REASON TO ATTACK THE LEADER. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARTIES AND GROUPS WHO OPPOSE IT. MR PRIGOZHIN DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS EXECUTED WELL. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE PRO-UKRAINIAN AND OPPOSED TO THE WAR, THEY MAY ALSO HAVE MOTIVES TO BE INVOLVED. BUT IT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN PLANE FAILURE, AND ENGINEERING FAILURE ON THE PLANE THAT RESULTED IN THIS. WHICH WOULD BE TERRIBLY UNFORTUNATE, BUT HE HAS BEEN TRAVELLING ROUND RUSSIA FOR THE PAST MONTH OR SO. NOT THAT I WANT YOU TO CAST JUDGEMENT, BUT I IMAGINE IT WILL BE FAIRLY UNWISE TO GO NEAR RUSSIA AFTER A FAILED ATTEMPT TO UPSET THE GUIDE AND PLOYS YOU. MANY RUSSIAN OBSERVERS BELIEVE ONE OR THE OTHER WOULD NOT SURVIVE IN THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. THE OTHER THING IS THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT EMERGES IN THE NEXT 24-HOURS, I THINK PUTIN COULD BE FACING CHALLENGES IN THE NEAR FUTURE. HE IS ARRESTED MANY MILITARY PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH PRIGOZHIN SINCE THE COUP. THERE ARE LOTS OF TENSIONS IN MOSCOW AT THE MOMENT. IT IS A TURBULENT DOMESTIC PHASE, WHETHER OR WITHOUT PRIGOHZIN IN PLACE. THIS WILL BE UNNERVING FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN RUSSIA AND WILL GET THIS NEWS FROM THE STATE AGENCY ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS BETWEEN THE POWER PLAYERS WHO ARE IN CHARGE. ON TOP OF THIS, THE UNCERTAINTY IS THAT UKRAINIANS HAVE STEPPED UP THEIR MILITARY ACTIVITIES. ATTACKS ON MOSCOW BECOME A REGULAR EVENT. ZELENSKY PROMISE THE WAR IS BEING BROUGHT HOME TO RUSSIANS AND THEIR CAPITAL. THAT ASSUMPTION IS RAPIDLY UNRAVELLING. ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION. CAN WE EXPECT AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT INVESTIGATION, OR AT LEAST THEY FINALISE A REPORT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED HERE? THIS IS AN AUTHORITARIAN STATE. WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH A LIBERAL DEMOCRACY WITH A MEDIA CAN KEEP PEOPLE ON THEIR TOES. IF PUTIN IS NOT INVOLVED, HE MAY GO TO EXTRAORDINARY LENGTHS TO SHOW IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT. I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT SORT OF INVESTIGATION. AS I SAID, THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT CROSS PATHS WITH PUTIN IN THE PAST WHO HAVE NOT SURVIVED TO TELL THE TALE. WE MUST BE CAUTIOUS THAT THE WOMEN TALK ABOUT A FULL AND FRANK INVESTIGATION. ME U TONU MAI. STAY WITH US. THE SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT IS LOOKING TO DECRIMINALISE DRUGS FOR PERSONAL USE. SO SHOULD NEW ZEALAND DO THE SAME? MORE ON THAT NEXT. THE SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT IS PROPOSING THE DECRIMINALISATION OF DRUG POSSESSION FOR PERSONAL USE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT PEOPLE, RATHER THAN STIGMATISE THEM. SCOTLAND, WHO HAS ONE OF THE WORST DRUG DEATH RATES IN EUROPE, AIMS TO FOLLOW PORTUGAL'S LEAD, WHO RELAXED LAWS IN 2001. HOWEVER, THE UK GOVERNMENT, WHO CONTROLS DRUG POLICY, HAS LABELLED THE PLAN AS DANGEROUS AND HAS NO INTENTION OF ALLOWING ANY CHANGES. IT'S KICKED OFF THE DRUG DECRIMINALISATION DISCUSSION IN NEW ZEALAND. JOINING US NOW IS DRUG FOUNDATION'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SARAH HELM. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. THIS IS A VERY BIG QUESTION. WHETHER THE DRUG FOUNDATION STAND IN TERMS OF DECRIMINALISATION? WE CLEARLY SUPPORTED DECRIMINALISATION. MANY OF US REALLY HAVE A CONNECTION WITH SCOTLAND. THEY ARE FACING SO MANY DRUG DEATHS OVER THERE, THEY ARE CALLING IT A PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY. THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN WITHOUT CHANGING THE LAW AND THEY REALLY WANT THAT ADDITIONAL TOOL. I HAVE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF DEATHS, MORE THAN 1300 PEOPLE DIED FROM DRUG USE IN 2021. DO WE HAVE A SERIOUS ISSUE HERE IN NEW ZEALAND? NOT AS SERIOUS AS SCOTLAND, THEY HAVE ONE OF THE WORST RATES IN THE WORLD, AS DOES NORTH AMERICA, BUT WE ARE LOSING A LOT OF PEOPLE. IN 2021, WE LOST 171. THAT IS MORE THAN DIED OF DROWNINGS. WE HAVE A HUGE INCREASE GLOBALLY IN THE PRODUCTION OF COCAINE, SO BIG SHIPMENTS ARRIVING OFFSHORE AND 1/4 OF THE DRUGS WHICH YOU CANNOT WHAT PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE BUYING. SCOTLAND AND THEIR PAPER PUT OUT AN INTERESTING QUESTION. IT'S TIME FOR THE PROPONENTS OF THE HARDLINE WAR ON DRUGS TO DEFEND THAT APPROACH BECAUSE IT IS NO EVIDENCE IT'S WORKING. IT BURIES THE PROBLEM, CAUSES PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO SEEK HELP, AND MAKES THEM AFRAID. WE CAN'T DO THE THINGS WE NEED TO TO PREVENT HARM AND FATALITIES. RESEARCH IN PORTUGAL SUGGESTS DRUG USE RATES DID NOT RISE UNDER DECRIMINALISATION. AS THEIR PUBLIC APPETITE FOR THIS? WE COULDN'T IMAGE TO CRIMINALISE WEED IN THIS COUNTRY. PORTUGAL MANAGED TO REDUCE A WHOLE LOT OF HARMS ASSOCIATED WITH DRUG USE. OVER HERE, WE HAVE HUGE SUPPORT FOR DECRIMINALISATION. THE CANNABIS REFERENDUM WAS ABOUT LEGALISATION. I THINK IT WAS A STEP TOO FAR FOR SOME PEOPLE OR THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE SPECIFIC MODEL BEING PROPOSED. WE DID A POLAR YEAR AGO, OVER 60% SUPPORTED REMOVING CRIMINAL PENALTIES. WE'VE BEEN DOING A POLE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND DECRIMINALISATION SUPPORTERS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. IN PORTUGAL, DEALING WITH A HEALTH CONDITION. ALTHOUGH THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, WOOD THAT PLAYS A BIGGER BURDEN ON OUR ALREADY STRETCHED HEALTH SYSTEM? THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION THAT OUR CURRENT APPROACH IS SOMEHOW KEEPING THINGS AT BAY. UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS NOT TRUE. WE HAVE A BIG GLOBAL DRUG MARKET THAT IS WELL OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO REGULATORY TOOLS AS A RESULT OF DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. LIKE SCOTLAND, WE NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK FREELY WITH PEOPLE OR PUT CONTROLS ON REGULATION. I SPOKE TO THE HEAD OF POLICE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA THIS YEAR WHERE THEY ARE FACING YEAR-ON-YEAR INCREASES OF DRUG DEATHS. THEY LED THE CALL THERE BECAUSE OF WITNESSING THE ATROCITIES THEY ARE WITNESSING. I ALSO ASKED THEM, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU COULD GO BACK IN TIME? THEY SAID WE WOULD TRY HARDER TO GET A SAFE SUPPLY. I ASKED THEM WHAT THEY MEANT BY THAT. ESSENTIALLY THEY MEAN REGULATION. WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THE TOOLS AVAILABLE, OTHERWISE WE CAN END UP LIKE THIS OTHER COUNTRIES. SHOULD WE BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN NEW ZEALAND? YES WE DO NEED TO BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. IS UNCOMFORTABLE AND IT TOUCHES ON OUR MORALS AND VIEWS, BUT IT IS ONE WE NEED TO HAVE BECAUSE OUR CURRENT APPROACH, WHATEVER YOUR MORAL APPROACHES, IS NOT WORKING AND ACHIEVING THE THINGS WE WANT IT SO. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS. UP NEXT ` KIWIS ARE BETTER AT IDENTIFYING TE REO WORDS THAN WE THINK, ACCORDING TO A NEW STUDY. MORE ON THAT AFTER THE BREAK. THANKS TO LEGEND OF THE PEAKS, YOU COULD BE HEADING TO THE BEAUTIFUL ROTORUA FOR A WEEKEND GETAWAY. LEGEND OF THE PEAKS ARE GIVING AWAY TWO ENTRIES TO THEIR MARATHON AND FOREST FESTIVAL HAPPENING THIS NOVEMBER. FROM RUNNING OR WALKING, THERE'S AN EVENT FOR EVERYONE. ALONGSIDE THIS, YOU'LL ALSO RECEIVE FLIGHTS, ENTRY TO THE POLYNESIAN SPA, SKYLINE, TE PUIA, AND THREE NIGHTS ACCOMMODATION. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO ENTER IS HEAD TO legendofthepeaks.co.nz/win. WE'LL BE ANNOUNCING THE WINNER LIVE ON-AIR TOMORROW. KURA, MARAE, HAKA ` TE REO WORDS WE ALL SHOULD BE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH BY NOW. IN FACT, A NEW STUDY SUGGESTS US KIWIS ARE GREAT AT IDENTIFYING WORDS IN THE LANGUAGE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO KNOWING WHAT THEY MEAN, WELL, THAT'S A WHOLE 'NOTHER STORY. TO EXPLAIN, WE'RE JOINED BY ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AND BRAODCASTER, OUR VERY OWN SCOTTY MORRISON. MORENA! WE SEE THE WORDS, IN SUPERMARKETS YOU GET TRANSLATIONS. WHAT DO YOU RECKON? TO BE EQUALLY KNOW WHAT THESE WORDS MEAN? OR DO WE JUST KNOW IT'S NOT ENGLISH? THERE ARE A LOT OF WORDS THAT ARE NORMAL. WORDS LIKE KAI. WHANAU WE USE ALL THE TIME. IT'S BEEN NORMALISED. PEOPLE WERE SAYING EMAILS, I'LL SEE YOU AFTER MAHI. I JUST SAID MORENA. EVEN IF YOU WOULDN'T SAVE YOURSELF, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. IS THE CONTEXT WHICH HELPS IDENTIFY WHAT THE WORD MEANS. IT'S ALL PART OF THE PUSH FOR NORMALISATION. THAT HAS BEEN A JOINT EFFORT. COMMUNITIES OF THAT OUTSTANDINGLY WELL, BROADCASTERS HAVE DONE OUTSTANDINGLY WELL, AND ALLOW HIGH-LEVEL COMPANIES LIKE IN NEW ZEALAND. THERE HELPING WITH THE NORMALISATION. I HAVE NOTICED A HUGE CHANGE COMING BACK INTO THE COUNTRY. THERE'S A LOT MORE TE REO, WE GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND THINK IT'S COOL THAT EVERYTHING IS IN ITALIAN OR SPANISH. IS IT PERFORMATIVE TO CHANGE YOUR CHOCOLATE BAR LABEL OR TO WRITE IT IN AN EMAIL I WOULDN'T USE IT IN DAY-TO-DAY CONVERSATIONS? THERE PUT OUT STATEMENTS THAT THEY GENUINE ABOUT PROMOTION OF THE LANGUAGE. THEY ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE REVITALISATION OF TE REO. I THINK THEY ARE VERY GENUINE ABOUT IT. IT IS ABOUT CONTACTING LOCAL LANGUAGE EXPERTS THAT ARE AROUND AND MAKING SURE THEY ARE ON BOARD. IF WE DON'T HAVE TO LEARN IT AT SCHOOL, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT CAN BE ANYTHING WE GET OVER THE LINE, EXPOSURE IS GOING TO BE OR GETS US TO A STATE OF BEING BILINGUAL, OR AT LEAST PARTIALLY BILINGUAL. IT'S PART OF WHO WE ARE, IT'S OUR IDENTITY. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DO WHEN I HAVE A NEW CLASS, IN THE CLASS NUMBERS ARE HUGE THESE DAYS, THEY ARE FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE KEEN TO BE PART OF THE MOVEMENT OF REVITALISATION. THEY ALSO JUST WANT TO CONNECT WITH WHERE THEY ARE. I ASK HOW MANY OF THEM CAN SPEAK MAORI. THEN I ASKED WHAT DOES KAI MEAN, AND THEY SAY FOOD. THEY KNOW A LOT MORE, AND PEOPLE WITH THEY RECOGNISE IT OR NOT SPEAK MAORI ON A DAILY BASIS. THEY'VE GOT MAORI NEIGHBOURS OR FRIENDS. AND THE LANGUAGE IS USED IN TELEVISION. PEOPLE SHOULD BE USED TO THESE PHRASES BY NOW. YOU TRANSLATE THEM AFTER, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. YOU JUST NEED TO SAY THE PHRASE, YOU DON'T NEED THE TRANSLATION. PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WATCHING WOULD KNOW. THEY WILL PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT. THEY SHOULD KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS NOW. AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU WILL FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE THERE IS AN OUTBREAK. THEY WILL FIGURE IT OUT QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY BREAKFAST VIEWERS. YOU TRANSLATE SCOTTY MORRISON, YOU JUST GET LEGEND. HERE'S A TASTE OF WHATS COMING UP AFTER 7.00. FIGURES RELEASED TO BREAKFAST REVEAL THAT HUNDREDS OF PRISONERS ARE SPENDING LONGER THAN FIFTEEN DAYS IN SEGREGATION, A BREACH OF HUMAN RIGHTS THAT THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS IS A FORM OF TORTURE. WE'LL REVEAL MORE OF THE EXTENT SHORTLY AND WILL SPEAK TO A FORMER PRISONER WHO WAS IN SOLITARY AND A PSYCHOLOGIST. THE ACT PARTY'S CANDIDATE SELECTION PROCESS IS UNDER SCRUTINY, AFTER IT WAS REVEALED THAT ONE CANDIDATE HAD LIKENED VACCINE MANDATES TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS, WHILE ANOTHER REFERRED TO FORMER PRIME MINISTER JACINDA ARDERN AS 'JABCINDA.' WE'LL ASK OUR POLITICAL PANEL ABOUT THEIR PARTIES SELECTION PROCESS AFTER 7.30. AND THE TIMTAM SLAM IS TAKING THE WORLD BY STORM ON TIKTOK. WE'LL MEET THE CANADIAN WHOSE GONE VIRAL AFTER 8.30. INDIA HAS MADE SPACE EXPLORATION HISTORY. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) INDIA IS NOW THE FIRST COUNTRY TO MARK ITS TERRITORY ON THE MOON'S SOUTH POLE, A COMPLETELY UNEXPLORED PART OF THE LUNAR SURFACE WHICH IS THOUGHT TO HOLD IMPORTANT MINERALS, INCLUDING FROZEN WATER. IT'S HOPED THIS COULD PAVE THE WAY FOR FUTURE SPACE MISSIONS. WATER IS A FANTASTICALLY VALUABLE RESOURCE, AS WE KNOW, WE NEED FOR HUMAN LIFE, AND IT IS IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR ANY CREWED MISSION TO ANY OTHER SURFACE IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM. SO FOR HUMAN EXPLOSION ON OTHER WORLDS, SUCH AS MARS, DISCOVERY WATER ON THE SURFACE ON THE MOON IS GOING TO BE VERY VERY VALUABLE FOR THOSE MISSIONS. THE LANDER IS ROAMING THE SATELLITE'S SURFACE, COLLECTING DATA AND IMAGES TO BE SENT BACK TO EARTH FOR ANALYSIS. INDIA'S SUCCESS COMES JUST DAYS AFTER RUSSIA'S LUNA-25 SPACECRAFT CRASHED IN ITS BID TO GET THERE FIRST. RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES SAY THE BOSS OF THE WAGNER MERCENARY GROUP, YEVGENY PRIGOZHIN, WAS ON THE PASSENGER LIST OF A PLANE WHICH HAS CRASHED NORTH OF MOSCOW, LEAVING NO SURVIVORS. IT HAS BEEN REPORTED LOCAL RESIDENTS HEARD LOUD BANGS AND SAW VAPOUR TRAILS BEFORE THE PRIVATE JET CRASHED INTO THE GROUND WHILE EN ROUTE TO SAINT PETERSBURG. EIGHT BODIES HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM THE WRECKAGE. THE PLANE CRASH COMES AFTER PRIGOZHIN LED A FAILED REBELLION AGAINST THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IN JUNE. PEOPLE WHO FALL OUT WITH MR PUTIN OR WHO ARE DEEMED TO BE AN ENEMY OF HIM, OFTEN HAVE AN UNHAPPY ENDING, SO TO SPEAK. WE SHOULDN'T RULE OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF OTHER GROUPS WHO HAVE A REASON TO ATTACK WAGNER'S LEADER. HE WAS AN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE INVASION, HE JUST AND THINK IT WAS BEING PERSECUTED VERY WELL. SO THERE ARE MANY GROUPS IN RUSSIA WHO ARE PRO-UKRAINIAN AND ACTUALLY OPPOSE THE WAR, THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE MOTIVES FOR BEING INVOLVED IN SUCH AN INCIDENT. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. RUSSIA'S AIR TRANSPORT AGENCY SAYS AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE CRASH HAS BEEN LAUNCHED. THE FINAL PART OF THE CONTROVERSIAL REBRANDED THREE WATERS BILL HAS PASSED ITS THIRD READING IN PARLIAMENT. NOW KNOWN AS 'AFFORDABLE WATER', THE LAWS PUT MANAGEMENT OF DRINKING WASTE AND STORMWATER INTO THEHANDS OF 10 PURPOSE-BUILT ENTITIES. NATIONAL AND ACT HAVE PROMISED TO REPEAL THE ENTIRE SUITE OF REFORMS BUT KEEP THE WATER REGULATOR IF ELECTED IN OCTOBER. A NEW REPORT SHOWS WHILE SUPPLY CHAIN PAIN MIGHT BE EASING. EXPORTERS ARE STILL GRAPPLING WITH RISING INTEREST RATES AND COST OF LIVING PRESSURES. NEARLY 99% OF EXPORTER'S HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN TOTAL COSTS. 52% SAY THE COST AND AVAILABILITY OF TRANSPORT REMAINS THE NUMBER-ONE BARRIER, WITH 24% STILL EXPERIENCING A DECREASE IN ORDERS. YOU GET HIT NOT JUST BY THE COST OF LOGISTICS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND SUPPLY CHAINS, THEY ARE HOLDING ONTO A LOT MORE OF INVENTORY, SO THERE IS THAT ADDED COST OF WELL. DESPITE THE CHALLENGES, MORE THAN 50% OF EXPORTERS ARE OPTIMISTIC OF BETTER RECOVERY GOING INTO NEXT YEAR. TO SPORT ` AND THE ALL BLACKS SAY THERE'S NO BETTER PREPARATION FOR THE RUGBY WORLD CUP THAN FACING THE DEFENDING CHAMPIONS AT A SOLD OUT TWICKENHAM THIS WEEKEND. COACH IAN FOSTER HAS NAMED A STRONG STARTING 15 WITH SIX FORWARDS AND JUST TWO BACKS ON THE BENCH. ALL THREE BARRETT BROTHERS WILL START AGAINST THE SPRINGBOKS, A FEELING THAT NEVER GETS OLD FOR THE TRIO. LINING UP IN THE ANTHEM, IT IS ALWAYS A MOMENT THERE... YOU JUST THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR PARENTS AND YOUR GRANDPARENTS, AND FAMILY, I GUESS, BEING ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY, AND SOME OF THE HARD WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE TO GET TO THAT POINT. SO IT IS NEVER TAKEN FOR GRANTED, YEAH. IT'S THE FIRST TIME THE ALL BLACKS HAVE PLAYED THE DEFENDING CHAMPIONS AT TWICKENHAM SINCE THE 2015 WORLD CUP SEMI-FINAL. AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER THIS MORNING. TO THE TOP OF THE COUNTRY ` MOSTLY CLOUDY, WITH SHOWERS THIS AFTERNOON. BLUE SKIES FOR THOSE IN WHITIANGA. 14 THE HIGH FOR RUSSELL. FURTHER SOUTH ` IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY FROSTY START IF YOU'RE IN TAUPO, OTHERWISE A NICE, FINE DAY FOR ALL OF YOU. 14 THE HIGH FOR WHAKATANE. TO THE EAST COAST ` IT'S A PARTLY CLOUDY START TO YOUR MORNING FOR YOU GUYS. THIS WILL THEN CLEAR TO A FINE DAY HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. 14 THE HIGH FOR NAPIER. AND 13 FOR HASTINGS. OVER TO THE WEST ` A FINE START, WITH SOME MORNING FROST FOR THOSE IN TAUMARUNUI AND WHANGANUI. SUNSHINE FOR THE REST OF YOUR DAY. 13 THE HIGH FOR LEVIN. TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` IT'S A CLOUDY MORNING FOR YOU ALL, BEFORE TURNING TO FINE HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON FOR THOSE ON THE EAST. 13 THE HIGH FOR GREYMOUTH. 13 DEGREES IS THE HIGH ON THE WEST COAST. HEADING SOUTH ` ANOTHER CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF YOU TODAY, WITH SOME MORNING FROST ACROSS THE REGION. 12 THE HIGH FOR TIMARU. AND CHRISTCHURCH. ALEXANDRA, YOU'RE ON TRACK FOR 14 DEGREES. TO THE DEEP SOUTH ` IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A CLOUDY DAY FOR YOU ALL, WITH SOME SHOWERS FOR MOST HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. HEAVY RAIN FOR THOSE IN OBAN. 14 THE HIGH FOR GORE. AND 15 IN DUNEDIN. A UNITED NATIONS REPORT SIX YEARS AGO SLAMMED NEW ZEALAND'S 'WIDESPREAD AND CONCERNING' USE OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IN PRISONS; THIS MORNING WE CAN REVEAL TO WHAT EXTENT IT'S STILL USED AND SPEAK TO A FORMER PRISONER WHO'S STILL DEALING WITH THE TRAUMA OF IT, BUT THERE ARE SOME KEY POINTS BEFORE WE CRACK INTO THAT ` THE UN DEFINES SOLITARY CONFINEMENT AS '22 HOURS OR MORE A DAY WITHOUT MEANINGFUL HUMAN CONTACT.' IT ALSO STATES 'PROLONGED' SOLITARY CONFINEMENT OF MORE THAN 15 CONSECUTIVE DAYS IS REGARDED AS A FORM OF TORTURE. OUR DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS SAYS 'SOLITARY CONFINEMENT', AS SUCH, IS NOT USED IN OUR PRISONS. ITS TERM IS 'DIRECTED SEGREGATION.' THIS IS WHEN A PRISONER CAN BE DENIED CONTACT WITH OTHER PRISONERS FOR REASONS OF SECURITY, SAFETY OR HEALTH, BOTH PHYSICAL AND MENTAL. AND THESE FIGURES RELEASED TO BREAKFAST SHOW THE NUMBER OF PRISONERS PLACED IN DIRECTED SEGREGATION FROM 2019 TO 2023. THESE FIGURES ARE SOMEWHAT SKEWED BY COVID CONTINGENCIES ` SEE THE SHARP RISE THERE IN THE THIRD YEAR OF THAT PERIOD. AND THE 2023 DATA, ALTHOUGH INCOMPLETE, DOES SHOW A TREND DOWN FROM THAT SPIKE. AND THIS IS THE NUMBER OF PRISONERS WHO WERE KEPT IN DIRECTED SEGREGATION FOR 15 DAYS OR MORE ` AROUND ONE IN FOUR OF THEM FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS; ONE IN FIVE FOR THE 2023 DATA WE HAVE. TALLIED UP, THAT'S A TOTAL OF MORE THAN 3500 PRISONERS PUT INTO WHAT THE UNITED NATIONS CALLS PROLONGED SOLITARY CONFINEMENT ` WHICH IT WANTS BANNED. ONE OF THOSE WAS TUPE MASINA, JAILED FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS FOR AGGRAVATED ROBBERY. AT TIMES, HE SAYS HE SPENT PROLONGED PERIODS IN A CELL BY HIMSELF, INCLUDING 74 DAYS IN A ROW. HE'S SINCE RECEIVED A PAYOUT FROM CORRECTIONS. I CAUGHT UP WITH HIM AT HIS HOME IN SOUTH AUCKLAND. (STRUMS GUITAR MELODICALLY) I WANT TO START FIRST BY ASKING YOU, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN OUT? HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN OUTSIDE THE WIRE? I'VE BEEN OUT SINCE... OH, JUST RECENTLY, THREE WEEKS AGO, DUE TO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OR COMPLICATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT PRIOR TO THAT, I GOT RELEASED FROM PRISON IN 2021, SEPTEMBER. CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT TIME, BEFORE SEPTEMBER 2021, WHEN YOU CAME OUT OF PRISON, AND WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR YOU IN THERE ` HOW LONG WERE YOU IN THERE ` FIVE YEARS? FIVE YEARS SEVEN MONTHS. SO YOU WERE INSIDE THAT TIME FOR FIVE YEARS SEVEN MONTHS? HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND IN ISOLATION? THERE'S SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IN THE S.I.U., AND THEN THERE'S ALSO MANAGEMENT BECAUSE OF SHORTAGE OF STAFF. DUE TO THE SHORTAGE OF STAFF IN THE PRISONS, THEY'RE UNABLE TO CATER THE PRISONERS, SO A LOT OF US IN OUR UNITS WOULD GET LOCKED DOWN FOR ABOUT 23 HOURS A DAY OR 24 HOURS A DAY. SO THERE'S THE ISOLATION` WHAT DID YOU CALL IT UM, SOLITARY CONFINEMENT. SOLITARY CONFINEMENT. SO THERE WAS THAT. BUT THEN THERE WAS ALSO BEING LOCKED DOWN IN YOUR ROOM ` IS THAT RIGHT? SO THERE'S SEPARATE, EH? SO, SOMETIMES WE'RE LOCKED IN OUR ROOM, AND WE GET TWO HOURS OUT OF A DAY. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WERE IN SECLUSION, HOW` DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY DAYS YOU WERE IN THERE? FROM WHAT I` COS IN PRISON, WHEN I WAS INCARCERATED IN 2016, IN THE BEGINNING OF MY SENTENCE, I GOT A DIARY, AND I DOCUMENTED WHAT I'D DO ON THE DAILY. AND SO I'VE GOT ALL MY DIARIES IN MY ROOM, INCLUDING FOLDERS AND IT OF DAILY EVENTS. AND FROM WHAT I DOCUMENTED ON DIFFERENT PERIODS, YEAH... SO WERE YOU TOLD WHY YOU WERE IN THERE? THEY TOLD ME IT WAS DUE TO MY DETERIORATION OF MENTAL HEALTH, THAT MY MENTAL WELLBEING WAS... A BIT ODD, OR THEY BELIEVED THAT I WAS A RISK TO THE OTHER INMATES. (STRUMS GUITAR MELODICALLY) YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU FELT, LIKE, YOU FELT HUMILIATED, DEGRADED ABOUT THE WAY YOU WERE TREATED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WERE IN ISOLATION. WHAT IMPACT DID THAT HAVE ON YOU, ON YOU YOURSELF... BEING LOCKED UP FOR 23 HOURS? YEAH. AND WHAT DID... WHAT IMPACT DID THAT HAVE ON YOU? UM... THE IMPACT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TRAUMA OF BEING ISOLATED AND HAVING NO HUMAN CONTACT, AND THEN WHEN I'M AROUND PEOPLE, LIKE, WHEN I DO COME OUT OF ISOLATION AND AROUND PEOPLE, I GET PARANOID, LIKE, ANXIETY, EH, BECAUSE I'M NOT USED TO BEING AROUND PEOPLE AFTER BEING IN A CAVE. THE TRAUMA WOULD BE... EMOTIONAL, EH? LIKE, I WAS` I WAS An EMOTIONAL WRECK. WHEN WHEN TIMES GET HARD, AND YOU'RE SITTING IN YOUR CELL, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO, EH. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN JUST KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY, 'I'M SORRY, CAN 'YOU LET ME OUT NOW? I'LL DO WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO.' LIKE, YOU CAN BEG ALL YOU WANT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU OUT. BECAUSE I LOST TRACK OF TIME. LIKE, IF YOU IMAGINE MAYBE WE'RE IN YOUR BATHROOM OR IN YOUR ROOM ` SO YOU'RE LOCKED IN YOUR ROOM WITH NO TV OR NO HUMAN CONTACT FOR DAYS. YOU LOSE TRACK OF TIME, AND ALL YOU SEE IS THE SUN GOING UP AND DOWN EVERY MORNING, EH. MOST OF THE TIME I TRY TO SLEEP IT OFF BY SLEEPING A LOT. SO THAT'D BE IT ` LIKE, THE TRAUMATIC TRAUMA WILL BE PHYSICALLY, EH. SORE BACK FROM LYING DOWN TOO MUCH AND NOT ENOUGH EXERCISE. IT BECOME A FORM OF DISCIPLINE THAT ENDED UP BECOMING TORTURE, MEANING THAT I HAD TO BEG JUST HAVE DRINKS OF WATER, AND IF I DIDN'T BEHAVE, THEN I WOULDN'T GET MY LUNCH OR DINNER. AND THEN THEY'LL SAY THEY GAVE MY DINNER. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER RECEVING IT. LIKE, I LOST A LOT OF WEIGHT TOO PHYSICALLY. LIKE, I LOST A LOT OF WEIGHT TOO, PHYSICALLY. LIKE, I LOST A LOT OF WEIGHT IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT DUE TO THE STRESS OF KICKING THE DOOR. SO WHEN DID ALL OF THIS STOP? DID IT STOP AT ANY POINT, OR DID IT STOP WHEN YOUR SENTENCE STOPPED? IT'S STILL FEELS LIKE IT'S STILL HAPPENING NOW. LIKE, SOMETIMES I'M IN MY ROOM AND IT'S STILL FEELS LIKE I'M IN MYSELF, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. TRAUMA, EH, I STILL FEEL LIKE I'M IN JAIL SOMETIMES. LIKE, SOMETIMES I FORGET THAT I CAN GO FOR A WALK TO THE SHOP OR I CAN GO TO THE... I MEAN, I'M USED TOO BEING ISOLATED OR SITTING BY MYSELF. I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN JAIL AND THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF INMATES. (STRUMS GUITAR MELODICALLY) THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS DECLINED AN INTERVIEW BUT SENT US THIS STATEMENT ` ITS NATIONAL COMMISSIONER LEIGH MARSH SAYING, AND HERE'S A STATEMENT FROM CORRECTIONS MINISTER KELVIN DAVIS. HE SAYS ` IT IS DIVIDING YOU IN OUR FEEDBACK, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. E HAERE AKE NEI ` A FORMER PSYCHOLOGIST FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS REVEALS MORE OF THE IMPACT THAT SOLITARY CONFINEMENT CAUSES TO PRISONERS. STAY WITH US. BREAKFAST THIS MORNING HAS REVEALED THE EXTENT OF NEW ZEALAND'S USE OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IN PRISONS. UNIVERSITY OF WAIKATO'S ARMON TAMATEA, IS A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST WHO USED TO WORK FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS. HE JOINS US NOW ON BEHALF OF THE NZ PSYCHOLOGICAL SOCIETY. NIKKI SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. WHAT OTHER REASONS FOR USE OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT? WHY WOULD WE LOCK SOMEONE UP? IT IS TYPICALLY AROUND SAFETY. ISOLATION OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE YOU WANT TO USE AROUND THAT IS A CONTAINMENT STRATEGY IF THEY POSE A RISK TO THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PRESENT SYSTEM. YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD TUPEA'S RECOLLECTION OF BEING AN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT. IS THE WAY HIS PROCESS THAT AND HOW WE FELT INDICATIVE OF HOW MOST PEOPLE FEEL COMING OUT OF THAT? YES. GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME HE WAS IN THOSE CONDITIONS, ISSUES LIKE ANXIETY AND PANIC ATTACKS, HE MENTIONED PARANOIA, THESE ARE COMMON. SYMPTOMS INCLUDE ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, COGNITIVE DISTURBANCES, PSYCHOSIS, SELF-HARM, AND EVEN SUICIDE. WHY WOULD WE DO THAT TO PEOPLE? IDEALLY WE WOULDN'T BE DOING THAT TWO PEOPLE, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S PARTICULAR CASE, BUT THE USE OF SEGREGATION IS OFTEN ONE OF A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES. OFTEN IT IS A LAST STRATEGY BECAUSE IT MAINTAIN SAFETY AND IN MANY WAYS ORDER WITHIN THE PRISON COMPLEX. THAT SITS WITHIN A NEST OF MORE COMPLEX ISSUES AS WELL. YOU MENTION STAFF SHORTAGES, BUT ALSO AN INCREASING REMAND POPULATION. IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS ENTERING THAT PERIOD THEY ARE GOING THROUGH SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS AND TRANSITION. IT EXACERBATES MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. CAN INCREASE THESE ISSUES AND RISK OF DISRUPTION AND HARM TO OTHERS. YOU MENTIONED SAFETY TO OTHER PRISONERS, SAFELY TO OUR CORRECTIONS OFFICERS, THAT HAS TO BE REAL CONSIDERATION HERE, RIGHT? AND THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO MAKE SURE THESE MEASURES ARE PUT IN PLACE BUT NOT LOCKING PEOPLE UP THIS WAY? PREVENTATIVE MEASURES ARE IDEAL IN ANY CONTEXT WHERE COMPROMISES OF SAFETY ARE GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. HAVING ACCESS TO SOCIAL RESOURCES, CULTURAL RESOURCES, HAVING A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF STAFF, OPPORTUNITIES FOR POSITIVE SOCIAL INTERACTIONS AND A RANGE OF ACTIVITIES WITHIN A GIVEN UNITS TO NOT JUST HELP RETENTIONS, BUT TO INCREASE OPPORTUNITY FOR ACTIVITIES WITHIN THOSE UNITS. CAN HELP TO KEEP THOSE PLACES AS STIMULATING ENVIRONMENTS AND REDUCE THE RETENTION OF THE MOST PLACES WITH VIOLENCE MAY BE HIGH. WE ALSO CHECKS AND BALANCES FOR OVERSEAS PRACTICES TO REPORT BACK. PEOPLE WILL SAY, IF YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME. THIS IS PART OF BEING A CRIMINAL. LOOKING AT A FEEDBACK ALREADY, BRIAN SAYS THESE PEOPLE GAVE UP HUMAN RIGHTS WHEN THEY HARM TO SOMEONE ELSE. WHO GIVES A RAT'S ASS ABOUT PRISONERS? I THINK THOSE RESPONSES ARE UNDERSTANDABLE, AND TO BE HONEST PEOPLE WHO ARE IN OUR SYSTEM, THEY TEND TO LACK PUBLIC SYMPATHY BECAUSE OF THE HARM THEY HAVE INFLICTED UPON OTHERS. ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS FOLK WILL ALSO BE RELEASED SOONER OR LATER. THAT'S A QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK AS A SOCIETY. WHAT SHAPE WE WANT THEM TO COME OUT? A PUNISHING REGIME LIKELY IS NOT GOING TO ACHIEVE THESE AIMS. HOW DO WE GET THIS RIGHT? THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LAYERS HERE. ONE IS TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS ARE MET WITHIN PRISON SYSTEMS. I'M NOT SAYING THESE ISSUES ARE ALL ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH. THERE ARE A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY DISRUPTIONS OCCUR WITHIN PRISONS, AND I DON'T WANT TO FURTHER MARGINALISE FOLKS WHO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. THAT ARE CERTAINLY PART OF THE ISSUE FOR MANY THOUGH. STAFF SHORTAGES MEAN FEWER BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO DO JOBS. YOU HAVE STRESS WITH STAFF. STAFF MATTERS, NUMBER OF STAFF AND WELL-TRAINED STAFF ARE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A STIMULATING AND POSITIVE EXPERIENCE FOR THOSE WITHIN THE PRESENCE. WE ALSO HAVE THE SOCIETAL RESULTS. STIGMA HAS A MENTAL HEALTH AND EMOTIONAL BAGGAGE. IN MANY WAYS, THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST FOR THE PRISONS AND PRISON SYSTEMS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT THIS MORNING, YOU HAVE BEEN A FANTASTIC GUEST THIS MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. A MURI I NGA WHAKATAIRANGA, AFTER THE BREAK ` YOUR 7.30 NEWS, SPORT AND WEATHER. PLUS, AFTER 8 ` THE TIM TAM SLAM IS GOING VIRAL ON TIKTOK. WE'LL FIND OUT WHY. STICK AROUND. WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. IT HAS JUST GONE 7:30 AM. HUNDREDS OF PRISONERS IN AOTEAROA ARE STILL BEING PUT INTO PROLONGED SOLITARY CONFINEMENT OR DIRECTED SEGREGATION EVERY YEAR, DESPITE THE UN CALLING IT A FORM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE. NEW FIGURES OBTAINED BY BREAKFAST SHOW MORE THAN 3500 PRISONERS SPENT LONGER THAN 15 DAYS IN DIRECTED SEGREGATION FROM JULY IN 2019 TO MAY IN 2023. NUMBERS PEAKED BETWEEN JULY OF 2021 AND JUNE OF 2022. CORRECTIONS SAYING THE HIGH NUMBERS WERE IN PART DRIVEN BY COVID CONTINGENCIES. FORMER PRISONER TUPE MASINA SPENT PROLONGED PERIODS IN A CELL BY HIMSELF, INCLUDING 74 DAYS IN A ROW. THE IMPACT WOULD'VE BEEN THE TRAUMA OF BEING ISOLATED AND HAVING NO HUMAN CONTACT, AND THAT WHEN I'M AROUND PEOPLE, LIKE, WHEN I COME OUT OF ISOLATION AND I'M AROUND PEOPLE, I GET PARANOID. I GET ANXIETY, EH? BECAUSE I'M NOT USED TO BEING AROUND PEOPLE AFTER BEING IN A CAVE. HE'S SINCE RECEIVED A PAYOUT FROM CORRECTIONS. A FORMER PSYCHOLOGIST FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS SAYS HOW WE TREAT PEOPLE IN PRISON WILL IMPACT HOW THEY COME OUT. PEOPLE WHO ARE IN OUR SYSTEM DO NOT TEND TO ENGENDER MUCH OF PUBLIC SYMPATHY BECAUSE OF THE BEHAVIOUR THAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED AND THE HARM THAT MANY OF THIS VOCAB INFLICTED ON OTHERS. ON THE OTHER HAND, THESE FOLK WILL ALSO BE RELEASED SOONER OR LATER, AND IT IS THE QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK AS A SOCIETY, REALLY, IS WHAT SHAPE AND CONDITION DO WE WANT THEM AND WHEN THEY COME OUT? COMPOSING A CONTINUALLY PUNISHING REGIME IS PROBABLY NOT LIKELY TO ACHIEVE THOSE AIMS AT THE END OF THE DAY. IN A STATEMENT, THE CORRECTIONS MINISTER SAYS THE USE OF ALL FORMS OF SEGREGATION HAS INCREASED IN RECENT YEARS, POINTING TO A RISE IN GANG MEMBERS, AGGRESSION AND VIOLENCE IN OUR PRISONS. KELVIN DAVIS ALSO SAYS AN OVERALL REVIEW IS NOT NEEDED AT THIS STAGE. INDIA HAS GONE WHERE ONLY THREE OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE GONE BEFORE ` LANDING A SPACECRAFT ON THE MOON. SO, WE HAVE ACHIEVED A SOFT LANDING ON THE MOON. INDIA IS ON THE MOON. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) INDIA IS THE FIRST TO LAND ON THE MOON'S SOUTH POLE ` A COMPLETELY UNEXPLORED PART OF THE LUNAR SURFACE, WHICH IS THOUGHT TO HOLD IMPORTANT MINERALS, INCLUDING FROZEN WATER. THE LANDER IS ROAMING THE SATELLITE'S SURFACE, COLLECTING DATA AND IMAGES TO BE SENT BACK TO EARTH FOR ANALYSIS. U.S. PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN SAYS HE'S 'NOT SURPRISED' BY REPORTS THE BOSS OF THE WAGNER MERCENARY GROUP, YEVGENY PRIGOZHIN, MAY HAVE BEEN KILLED IN A PLANE CRASH IN RUSSIA THIS MORNING. RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES SAY PRIGOZHIN WAS ON THE PASSENGER LIST OF THE PRIVATE JET WHICH CRASHED NORTH OF MOSCOW, LEAVING NO SURVIVORS. THE PLANE CRASH COMES AFTER PRIGOZHIN LED A FAILED REBELLION AGAINST THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IN JUNE. EXPERTS SAY THERE ARE REASONS TO BELIEVE THE CRASH COULD BE SUSPICIOUS. PEOPLE WHO FALL OUT WITH MR PUTIN OR WHO ARE DEEMED TO BE AN ENEMY OF MR PUTIN OFTEN HAVE AN UNHAPPY ENDING, SO TO SPEAK. BUT WE SHOULDN'T RULE OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF OTHER GROUPS WHO MAY HAVE A REASON TO ATTACK WAGNER'S LEADER. REMEMBER, MR PRIGOZHIN WAS AN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE INVASION; IT'S JUST HE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS BEING PROSECUTED VERY WELL. SO THERE MAYBE` THOSE GROUPS IN RUSSIA WHO HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE, ACTUALLY, WHO ARE ARE PRO-UKRAINIAN AND ACTUALLY OPPOSE THE WAR, THEY MAY ALSO HAVE HAVE MOTIVES FOR BEING INVOLVED IN SUCH AN INCIDENT. BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW. RUSSIA'S AIR TRANSPORT AGENCY SAYS AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE CRASH HAS BEEN LAUNCHED. DONALD TRUMP'S FORMER LAWYER, RUDY GIULIANI, HAS SURRENDERED AT A JAIL IN THE U.S. STATE OF GEORGIA TO FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES. GIULIANI IS AMONG 19 CO-DEFENDANTS THAT WERE CHARGED LAST WEEK WITH ATTEMPTING TO OVERTURN THE TRUMP'S 2020 ELECTION DEFEAT IN GEORGIA. THE FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR IS FACING 13 COUNTS, INCLUDING RACKETEERING AND CONSPIRACY. DONALD TRUMP IS EXPECTED TO TURN HIMSELF IN TO FULTON COUNTY AUTHORITIES TOMORROW. TO SPORT, AND THE ALL BLACKS ARE PREPARING FOR ONE LAST HIT-OUT BEFORE KICKING OFF THEIR RUGBY WORLD CUP CAMPAIGN IN FRANCE. THEY TAKE ON THE SPRINGBOKS IN LONDON ON SATURDAY, WITH LUKE JACOBSON NAMED FOR HIS FIRST START AND DANE COLES RUNNIG OUT FOR HIS FINAL TEST TWICKENHAM. COACH IAN FOSTER OPTED FOR JUST TWO BACKS ON THE BENCH, CHOOSING ANTON LIENERT-BROWN OVER DAVID HAVILI. THEY'RE BOTH VERSATILE, BUT ANTON'S BEEN WITH US FOR QUITE A WHILE. HE'S IN THE GROOVE, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT HE HAD SOME GOOD TIME IN DUNEDIN. SO HE'S MORE ACCUSTOMED TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND THE FACT THAT HE COULD HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ROLE OFF THE BENCH BASED ON WHAT HAPPENS, WITH ONLY TWO BACKS, IT JUST MADE IT A PRETTY OBVIOUS DECISION, I MEAN, DAVID'S ONLY HAD 40 MINUTES SINCE HE CAME BACK. IT'S THE FIRST TIME THE ALL BLACKS HAVE PLAYED SOUTH AFRICA AT TWICKENHAM SINCE THE 2015 WORLD CUP SEMI FINAL. LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT HOW THE WEATHER IS SHAPING UP YOUR PLACE TODAY. TO THE TOP OF THE COUNTRY ` MOSTLY CLOUDY, WITH SHOWERS THIS AFTERNOON. BLUE SKIES FOR THOSE IN WHITIANGA. 14 THE HIGH FOR RUSSELL. FURTHER SOUTH ` IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY FROSTY START IF YOU'RE IN TAUPO, OTHERWISE A NICE, FINE DAY FOR ALL OF YOU. PRETTY GOOD FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. 14 THE HIGH FOR WHAKATANE. TO THE EAST COAST ` IT'S A PARTLY CLOUDY START TO YOUR MORNING FOR YOU GUYS. THIS WILL THEN CLEAR TO A FINE DAY HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. 14 THE HIGH FOR NAPIER. 13 FOR HASTINGS. OVER TO THE WEST ` A FINE START, WITH SOME MORNING FROST FOR THOSE IN TAUMARUNUI AND WHANGANUI. SUNSHINE FOR THE REST OF YOUR DAY. 13 THE HIGH FOR LEVIN. 12 FOR WELLINGTON. TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` IT'S A CLOUDY MORNING FOR YOU ALL, BEFORE TURNING TO FINE HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON FOR THOSE ON THE EAST. 13 THE HIGH FOR GREYMOUTH. HEADING SOUTH ` ANOTHER CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF YOU TODAY, WITH SOME MORNING FROST ACROSS THE REGION. 12 THE HIGH FOR TIMARU. TO THE DEEP SOUTH ` IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A CLOUDY DAY FOR YOU ALL, WITH SOME SHOWERS FOR MOST HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. HEAVY RAIN FOR THOSE IN OBAN. 14 THE HIGH FOR GORE. THANKS, CHRIS. WE ARE GETTING SO MUCH FEEDBACK ABOUT SEGREGATION. FOR SO MANY OF YOU, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT YOU CANNOT RESOLVE, BECAUSE FOR YOU, YOUR THOUGHTS ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST WITH THE VICTIMS OF THOSE WHO THE CRIMES WERE COMMITTED AGAINST, AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FAIR ENOUGH. WE ARE NOT ON THIS PROGRAM ADVOCATING THAT THE VICTIM SHOULD NOT BE AT THE FRONT OF MINE HERE. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO AS EXPERT SAYING SOLITARY CONFINEMENT DOES NOT WORK. IT LEADS TO MAJOR HEALTH OUTCOMES LATER ON DOWN THE TRACK. YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IS DIMINISHED. YOUR LIFE EXPECTANCY IS OFTEN DIMINISHED IF YOU SPEND TIME IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT AS WELL. WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE THESE BIGGER CONVERSATIONS. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO DO THE TIME, BUT YOU DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS MEANINGFUL, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, SO MANY OF THESE PRISONERS ARE GOING TO END UP BACK ANALYSIS IT. THEY WILL BE YOUR NEIGHBOUR OR YOUR FRIENDS NEIGHBOUR OR THEY WILL LIVE DOWN THE ROAD, AND IF THEY COMMIT ANOTHER CRIME IN YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD BECAUSE THEY ARE SO SCREWED UP, THEN YOU ARE GOING TO BE MAD ABOUT IT ALL OVER AGAIN. THERE WILL BE MORE VICTIMS TO THINK ABOUT. I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS NOT AN EYE FOR AN EYE. THIS IS TOO WRONG DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT. YOU PUT THEM IN PRISON BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO BE REMOVED FROM SOCIETY, BUT WHEN THEY GET BACK OUT, YOU DO NOT WANT THEM TO BE A BAD PERSON. THEY HAVE TO BE CONSEQUENCES FOR WHAT YOU DO. THERE IS A PLACE FOR SOLITARY. WE'RE NOT SAYING THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THAT EVER. IT IS THE WAY IT IS BEING APPLIED IN THE AMOUNT OF TIMES IT IS BEING APPLIED. I GET THE FEEDBACK, AND SOME OF IT WE PROBABLY CANNOT READ OUT. BUT ULTIMATELY IT IS ABOUT HOW WE TREAT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS AS WELL. YES, THEY ARE LOCKED UP FOR THE CRIMES THAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED, BUT ALSO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS TREATING OTHER HUMAN BEINGS LIKE ANIMALS. AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. KEEP YOUR FEEDBACK COMING IN. WE'RE GOING TO QUICKLY SWITCH TAX NOW TO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CHEERY. AT THE END OF THE SHOW, WE HAVE A GUY FROM CANADA WHO HAS JUST DISCOVERED THE TIM TAM SLAM. HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT? WHAT MAKES IT QUITE FUNNY AS HE IS A CUTE LITTLE ELDERLY GENTLEMAN. HE HAS GONE VIRAL FOR HIS DRINK CONCOCTIONS, ESPECIALLY AS MILKSHAKES AND THICK SHAKES. SOME OF HIS VIDEOS HAVE 16 MILLION VIEWS ON THEM. HE IS VERY EXACTING ABOUT BITING OFF THE RIGHT BITS OF THE TIM TAM, WHICH QUITE LIKE. WE HAVE BEEN ASKING WHICH BISCUITS YOU DUNCAN YOUR HOT DRINKS. AMY SAYS TIM TAM IS OUR CHOICE. RACHEL SAYS ONLY GINGER NUTS. I AM A TEA DRINKER. GENERALLY, THEY DO NOT FALL APART. I AM WITH DONNA. CANNOT DUNK BISCUITS. DO NOT LIKE THE SOGGY TEXTURE. DISGUSTING. I HAVE NEVER DONE A TIM TAM SLAM BEFORE. YOU SUCK A DRINK THROUGH THE ACTUAL BISCUIT. IT JUST DISINTEGRATES. NO, THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED A SLAM, BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU DRINK IT THROUGH THE STRAW, YOU HAVE TO SLAM IT IN YOUR MOUTH, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WILL DISINTEGRATE. CHANGY, IT IS THE PG VERSION OF A SHOEY. THOSE ARE THE WORST THINGS EVER. IT GOES IN YOUR MOUTH. IF YOU HAVE A SOGGY MESS... DO WE NEED TO GET SOME TIM TAMS? I CANNOT VISUALISE IT. KEEP YOUR FEEDBACK COMING IN. WHAT BISCUITS DO YOU DUNCAN YOUR HOT DRINKS? ME U TONU MAI. STAY WITH US. OUR POLITICAL PANEL IS NEXT. DO THEY WANT TO SEE CHANGES TO SOLITARY CONFINEMENT? # I SAID I CAN'T GET YOU OUT OF MY MIND. # IT'S JUST A LITTLE SIMPLE THINGS YOU DO. # I SAID I CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOUR TIME. WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. MORE AND MORE PRISONERS ARE BEING LOCKED UP IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT ` SOME OF THEM, FOR SO LONG, IT'S CONSIDERED TORTURE BY THE UNITED NATIONS. BUT CORRECTIONS MINISTER KELVIN DAVIS SAYS A REVIEW OF HOW SEGREGATION'S BEING USED IS NOT NEEDED. OUR POLITICAL PANEL OF LABOUR'S CAMILLA BELICH AND NATIONAL'S SIMEON BROWN JOIN US NOW. GOOD MORNING TO YOU BOTH. IF PRISONERS ARE GETTING PAYOUTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPENT SO LONG IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY THAT IS BEING USED OR ENFORCED BY CORRECTIONS? I THINK SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IS A REALLY SERIOUS MATTER, AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO TAKE SERIOUSLY IN TERMS OF HOW WE TREAT PRISONERS. WE KNOW IT IS USED WHEN THERE IS A REAL NEED FOR IT OR IT SHOULD BE USED, AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE ISSUES AS OTHER COMMENTATORS HAVE SAID THIS MORNING WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY, SO I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE ISSUE OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT AND THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE THIS MORNING. DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT PRISONERS ARE SPENDING SO LONG THAT THEY ARE GETTING PAYOUTS? I DO NOT WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS INDIVIDUAL SITUATION. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE RECENT RESOLUTION IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION. JUST IN GENERAL, THOUGH. THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PAYOUTS OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED MISTREATED BY SOLITARY CONFINEMENT. YOU HAD ANOTHER GUEST ON THIS MORNING BUT SAID THAT TOO WRONG TO DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT. IN SOME INSTANCES, SOLITARY CONFINEMENT WILL BE NECESSARY FOR THEIR SAFETY OR FOR OTHER SAFETY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO BE MAKING SURE IT IS USED CONSISTENTLY WITH THE CORRECTIONS ACT, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT THE MINISTER HAS SAID TO YOU THIS MORNING. I THINK OF THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONSISTENT, THEN, YES, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHETHER OTHER COMPENSATION, ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE REMEDIED. GO, SIMEON. WOULD YOU REVIEW THE USE OF SEGREGATION IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT? I THINK THERE IS CLEARLY AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT CALVIN DAVIS, WHEN HE WAS IN OPPOSITION, USED TO JUMP UP AND DOWN ABOUT ANY LITTLE THING THAT HAPPENED IN CORRECTIONS. NOW THAT HE IS THE MINISTER, THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE HERE, AND THE CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION, WHO WORK IN OUR PRESENCE, THEY ARE ISSUING PENS, WHICH HAVE ON THEM, WHERE IS CALVIN? HE IS NOT ACTUALLY THAT CONCERNED ABOUT THE ISSUES BEING FACED IN OUR PRISONS LIKE HE WAS SIX YEARS AGO. YES, THESE ISSUES DO NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO, BUT THERE ARE ISSUES AROUND THE TREATMENT OF OFFICERS BY PRISONERS, SO SOMETIMES SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IS ACTUALLY TO KEEP OUR PRESENT WORKERS AND THE CORRECTIONS OFFICERS SAVE, BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING ASSAULTED MORE AND MORE BY PRISONERS, AND SO SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IS UNFORTUNATELY REQUIRED FROM TIME TO TIME TO ACTUALLY KEEP OUR CORRECTIONS OFFICERS SAVE, SO I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS AROUND WHETHER OR NOT ANY PARTICULAR CASE SHOULD BE OR SHOULD NOT BE. THAT IS A JUDGEMENT CALL THAT CORRECTIONS NEED TO MAKE, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT OVERALL, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PRISONERS ARE GETTING THE REHABILITATION THAT THEY NEED AND DESERVE AND THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING THEM TO BASICALLY JUST SIT THERE. THEY NEED TO BE GETTING THE REHABILITATION, AND THOSE REHABILITATION RATES ARE DROPPING UNDER CALVIN DAVIS IS WHAT, THAT IS A REAL CONCERN, BECAUSE THEY WILL BE RELEASED AT SOME POINT, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY COME OUT BETTER THAN WHEN THEY WENT IN. IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH THOSE CONCERNS, YOU WILL BE IN FAVOUR OF A REVIEW OF IT. WOULD YOU CONSIDER A REVIEW? I AM NOT THE CORRECTIONS BOW PERSON, SO I CANNOT SAY WE WOULD DO A REVIEW OR NOT, BUT I WOULD SAY, AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING CONSISTENTLY AS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT OUTCOMES HAPPENING WITHIN OUR PRISONS, AND THAT INCLUDES MAKING SURE THAT THE REHABILITATION IS TAKING PLACE. WE HAVE PUT OUT A POLICY AROUND THE ISSUE OF REHABILITATION OF PRISONERS ON REMAND. THEY ARE NOT GETTING ANY REHABILITATION, AND THAT IS A REAL CONCERN, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE SPENDING A LONG TIME ON REMAND BECAUSE THE COURT SYSTEM IS REALLY CLOGGED UP, AND THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY GET THE SUPPORT THEY NEED. POLLS THIS WEEK SHOWED THAT NEITHER OF YOUR PARTY LEADERS ARE LANDING WITH THE PUBLIC, PARTICULARLY IN POPULARITY STAKES. WHY NOT? I THINK THE POLE THIS WEEK WAS IN CURRAJONG. THERE ARE STILL EIGHT WEEKS TO GO. IT IS NOT THAT ENCOURAGING. THE REALITY AS IT IS AN ENCOURAGING HOLE. NATIONAL AND ACTOR IN A POSITION THAT WE COULD FORM A GOVERNMENT AT THE ELECTION. THERE IS MORE WORK TO DO, AND THE REALITY IS WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK HARD FOR EVERY SINGLE PARTY VOTE. IT IS ULTIMATELY THE PARTY VOTE WHICH COUNTS IN THE SELECTION. WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO GIVE THE PARTY VOTE TO NATIONAL SO WE CAN GET THE COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK, RESTORE LAW AND ORDER AND FIX INFLATION. I AM JUST FASCINATED, BECAUSE SIMEON HAS JUST SAID, AND I'VE HEARD THIS ONE A LOT FROM CHRISTOPHER LUXON THAT IT IS PARTY BUT NATIONAL, BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FORMING A COALITION WILL ACT, WHICH LUXON HAS BEEN RELUCTANT TO COMMIT TO. YOU SEEM CONSIDERED ON THE IDEA THAT IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT YOU WILL BE IN A COALITION WILL ACT. ULTIMATELY, IT IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ASK EVERYONE TO GIVE THE PARTY VOTE TO NATIONAL. WHATEVER HAPPENS AFTER THE ELECTION IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO GIVE THEIR PARTY VOTE TO NATIONAL, BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT SO WE CAN GET THE COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK. CAMILLA, CHRIS HIPKINS IS NOT FAVOURING ANY BETTER REALLY AND IN THE STATES OF PREFERRED PRIME MINISTER. I THINK HE IS AN AMAZING GUY, NEW ZEALANDERS WILL GET TO SEE MORE OF HIM ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. THE MORE THEY SEE OF HIM, THE MORE THEY WILL LIKE WHAT THEY SEE. WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES THAT MATTER TO NEW ZEALANDERS AT THE MOMENT. WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE COST OF LIVING, AND WE KNOW IT HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT TIME FOR PEOPLE, AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ANNOUNCED POLICIES LIKE GST FRESH VEGETABLES. AND ALSO A CHEAPER CHILDCARE AND CHEAPER PRESCRIPTIONS AND CHEAPER PUBLIC TRANSPORT AS WELL. WE KNOW THE COST OF LIVING IS THE MAIN ISSUE FOR PEOPLE THE SELECTION, SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT WE TRY AND ALLEVIATE THOSE HARD TIMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY HAPPENING. DON'T DO IT, SIMEON. YOU ALWAYS GET GOING AT THE END WHEN WE HAVE TO WRAP. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY TAKING WITH ONE HAND AND GIVING WITH THE OTHER. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING. SHE CAN JUST FINISH. THERE IS A LOT AT RISK WITH A SELECTION UNDER A NATIONAL, ACTS GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE NEED TO BE REALLY AWARE OF A CUP THEY MAY FACE TO THE PUBLIC SERVICES. COMPLETELY UNTRUE. IT IS TRUE, SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT NEW ZEALANDERS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT HAPPENING. YOU TOO CAN KEEP GOING. WE WILL END THE SEGMENT. ALL THE BEST FOR THE ELECTION. BUT WE WILL KEEP THE CAMERAS ROLLING. E WHAI AKE NEI ` FOOTBALL FERN HANNAH WILKINSON HAS MANY TALENTS. SHE SHOWS US ONE NEXT. # I LOVE MY BROKEN BOY # NOT A MILLIONAIRE BUT A DOUGHBOY THANKS TO LEGEND OF THE PEAKS YOU COULD BE HEADING TO THE BEAUTIFUL ROTORUA FOR A WEEKEND GETAWAY. VISION REPLAYS TWICE LEGEND OF THE PEAKS ARE GIVING AWAY TWO ENTRIES TO THEIR MARATHON AND FOREST FESTIVAL HAPPENING THIS NOVEMBER. FROM RUNNING OR WALKING, THERE'S AN EVENT FOR EVERYONE. ALONGSIDE THIS, YOU'LL ALSO RECEIVE FLIGHTS, ENTRY TO THE POLYNESIAN SPA, SKYLINE, TE PUIA, AND THREE NIGHTS' ACCOMMODATION. WHAT A PRIZE PACK. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO ENTER IS HEAD TO LEGENDOFTHEPEAKS.CO.NZ/WIN. WE'LL BE ANNOUNCING THE WINNER LIVE ON AIR TOMORROW. IS COMING UP 7:57. IT WAS THE MOMENT THAT SET THE FIFA WOMEN'S WORLD CUP ALIGHT ` OPENING NIGHT MAGIC, HISTORY MADE ` A FIRST EVER WIN FOR A NEW ZEALAND TEAM AT A FOOTBALL WORLD CUP. THE GOALSCORER FOR THE FERNS THAT NIGHT AGAINST NORWAY ` HANNAH WILKINSON, WHO'S NOW SAYING THANK YOU TO AOTEAROA WITH A PARTING GIFT, AND SHE JOINS US NOW LIVE. KIA ORA, HANNAH. WHAT HAVE YOU GOT FOR US? WHAT WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING OUT THERE IN MOUNT ROSKILL? I AM PAINTING UP A MURAL. XERO HAS GIVEN ME AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO PAINT UP SOMETHING SPECIAL TO THANK YOU NEW ZEALAND FOR THEIR SUPPORT. IT IS A CREATIVE SIDE OF ME THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO UNLEASH AFTER THE TOURNAMENT. YOU ARE A MULTITALENTED PERSON. HOW HAVE THE LAST FEW WEEKS BEEN BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THAT BIG WHEN AGAINST NORWAY. IF YOU COME TO TERMS OF HOW THE TOURNAMENT ENDED? I KNOW WE DID SOMETHING AMAZING, BUT I THINK WE ARE COLLECTIVELY GUTTED THAT WE DIDN'T GET FURTHER. IT IS HARD TO RECONCILE BECAUSE WE WERE VERY, VERY STRONG. AND WE SHOW THAT WE HAD THE POTENTIAL TO GO THROUGH BUT IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN. I HAD TO COME TO TERMS, BUT WE ARE STILL VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE DID. TO THIS DAY, I AM HAVING PEOPLE COMING TO ME WITH MESSAGES OF FOOTBALL FANS IN NEW ZEALAND SO IT IS VERY COOL. THIS IS YOUR FOURTH WORLD CUP. WHEN YOU FEEL OF THE SUPPORT, YOU THINK HELP WE REVIEW BEEN THESE LAST YEARS? I DON'T BLAME THEM BECAUSE FOOTBALL HASN'T REALLY BEEN PUT ON A PLATFORM LIKE IT WAS FOR THE WORLD CUP AT HOME, SO THAT WAS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THE NATION HOW EXCITING WOMEN'S FOOTBALL CAN BE. IT GOES TO SHOW, IF YOU HAVE THE ACCESS TO IT, PEOPLE WANT TO WATCH IT. CAN YOU TAKE ME BACK TO THAT MOMENT WHEN YOU SCORED AGAINST NORWAY AND CREATED HISTORY, WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND AND THE FEELINGS YOU HAD IN THE DAYS AFTER? THAT GAME, WE WERE ALSO AMPED. WITH NEVER HAD ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN OUR CAREERS ` A SELL-OUT HOME CROWD IS PRETTY AMAZING. YOU COULD REALLY FEEL THAT SOMETHING SPECIAL IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I THINK WE PLAYED SO WELL, WE DOMINATED. WE CREATED SO MANY CHANCES. IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ONE OF THEM WAS GOING TO GO AND. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL TEAM GOAL ONE TOUCH ALL DOWN THE FIELD. AMAZING WORK FROM JAQUI HAND. IT WAS VERY SPECIAL. YOU REPAID HER WITH THAT ALMOST ASSIST AGAINST THE PHILIPPINES. WE WILL GET A CAMERA OPERATOR TO PAN OUT TO SEE WHAT THE MURAL IS GOING TO BE. WHAT IT IS GOING TO HAVE? IS IT GOING TO BE GIVEN A SELF-PORTRAIT? IT IS A PHOTO OF MY ARMS. IT IS BASICALLY POINTING TO THE FERN. BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE DO AS FERNS IS FOR THE FERN. IT IS SOMETHING BIGGER THAN JUST OURSELVES. SHE IS BASICALLY GOING TO BE BREAKING THROUGH THE BARRIER, BREAKING THROUGH THE WALL. HELLO NEW ZEALAND, HERE IS WOMEN'S FOOTBALL, BASICALLY. WINNERS ARE GOING TO BE FINISHED? PROBABLY FRIDAY. HOPEFULLY. GET DOWN THERE AND HAVE A LOOK. HANNAH WILKINSON ARTIST, FOOTBALL LEGEND FOR THE FOOTBALL FERNS. LIGHT FOR THE UPCOMING SEASON. IT IS 8 O'CLOCK SO NEWS TIME. A FORMER PRISONER WHO SPENT MULTIPLE PERIODS OF TIME IN ISOLATION SAYS HE EXPERIENCED PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL TRAUMA. IT COMES AS HUNDREDS OF PRISONERS IN AOTEAROA ARE STILL BEING PUT INTO PROLONGED SOLITARY CONFINEMENT OR DIRECTED SEGREGATION EVERY YEAR, DESPITE THE UN CALLING IT A FORM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE. NEW FIGURES OBTAINED BY BREAKFAST SHOW MORE THAN 3,500 PRISONERS SPENT LONGER THAN 15 DAYS IN DIRECTED SEGREGATION FROM JULY IN 2019 TO MAY IN 2023. NUMBERS PEAKED BETWEEN JULY OF 2021 AND JUNE OF 2022 CORRECTIONS, SAYING THE HIGH NUMBERS WERE IN PART DRIVEN BY COVID CONTINGENCIES. FORMER PRISONER TUPE MASINA SPENT PROLONGED PERIODS IN A CELL BY HIMSELF, INCLUDING 74 DAYS IN A ROW. I WAS AN EMOTIONAL WRECK. YEAH. BECAUSE WHEN TIMES GET HARD AND YOU'RE SITTING IN YOUR CELL, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO, EH? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN JUST KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY, 'I'M SORRY. CAN YOU LET ME OUT NOW?' 'I'LL DO WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO.' LIKE, YOU CAN BEG ALL YOU WANT AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU OUT. HE'S SINCE RECEIVED A PAYOUT FROM CORRECTIONS. THE CORRECTIONS MINISTER SAYS SEGREGATION USE HAS INCREASED IN RECENT YEARS, POINTING TO A RISE IN GANG MEMBERS, AGGRESSION AND VIOLENCE IN OUR PRISONS. A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN LAUNCHED AFTER A SUDDEN DEATH IN THE AUCKLAND SUBURB OF EPSOM. EMERGENCY SERVICES RESPONDED TO REPORTS OF A PERSON WITH SERIOUS INJURIES AT A MOTEL YESTERDAY EVENING, WHO LATER DIED AT THE SCENE. A MALE (19) HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDER AND IS DUE TO APPEAR IN THE AUCKLAND DISTRICT COURT TODAY. POLICE SAY THEY AREN'T SEEKING ANYONE ELSE IN THE RELATION TO THE MATTER. CALLS ARE BEING MADE FOR MORE DRUG TESTING IN NEW ZEALAND WITH HARMFUL DRUG USE INCREASING AROUND THE WORLD. IT FOLLOWS THE SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT PROPOSING THE DECRIMINALISATION OF PERSONAL DRUG USE. THE NEW ZEALAND DRUG FOUNDATION FOUND 65% OF THE PUBLIC SUPPORT DECRIMINALISATION AND 'HEALTH-BASED DRUG LAWS'. EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SARAH HELM SAYS IN 2021, 171 PEOPLE DIED DUE TO DRUG USE. SCOTLAND, IN THEIR PAPER THAT THEY PUT OUT, PUT IN AN INTERESTING QUESTION. IT'S TIME FOR THE PROPONENTS OF THE HARD-LINE WAR ON DRUGS TO DEFEND THAT APPROACH BECAUSE THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT IT'S WORKING. IT ACTUALLY BURIES THE PROBLEM. IT CAUSES PEOPLE TO NOT BE ABLE TO SEEK HELP, AND IT MAKES THEM AFRAID, AND THEN WE CAN'T DO THE THINGS WE NEED TO IN ORDER TO PREVENT HARM AND FATALITIES. MS HELM SAYS TAKING DRUGS AWAY FROM THE BLACK MARKET AND PROMOTING TESTING WOULD HELP REDUCE HARM. A SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNEL LINKED TO THE WAGNER MERCENARY GROUP SAYS THE GROUP'S LEADER YEVGENY PRIGOZHIN HAS BEEN KILLED IN A PLANE CRASH THIS MORNING. RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES SAY PRIGOZHIN WAS ON THE PASSENGER LIST OF THE PRIVATE JET WHICH CRASHED NORTH OF MOSCOW, LEAVING NO SURVIVORS. SO FAR, EIGHT BODIES HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM THE WRECKAGE. THE PLANE CRASH COMES AFTER PRIGOZHIN LED A FAILED REBELLION AGAINST THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IN JUNE. EXPERTS SAY THERE ARE REASONS TO BELIEVE THE CRASH COULD BE SUSPICIOUS. PEOPLE WHO FALL OUT WITH MR PUTIN OR ARE DEEMED TO BE AN ENEMY OF MR PUTIN, OFTEN HAVE AN UNHAPPY ENDING, SO TO SPEAK. BUT WE SHOULDN'T RULE OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF OTHER GROUPS WHO MAY HAVE A REASON TO ATTACK WAGNER'S LEADER. REMEMBER, MR PRIGOZHIN WAS AN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE INVASION; IT'S JUST HE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS BEING PROSECUTED VERY WELL. SO THERE MAY BE THOSE GROUPS IN RUSSIA ` WHO ARE VERY ACTIVE, ACTUALLY ` WHO ARE PRO-UKRAINIAN AND ACTUALLY OPPOSE THE WAR. THEY MAY ACTUALLY HAVE MOTIVES FOR BEING INVOLVED IN SUCH AN INCIDENT, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW. U.S PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN SAYS PRIGOZHIN'S DEATH WOULD BE NO SURPRISE, ADDING THERE'S 'NOT MUCH THAT HAPPENS IN RUSSIA THAT PUTIN'S NOT BEHIND'. DONALD TRUMP'S FORMER LAWYER, RUDY GIULIANI, HAS SURRENDERED AT A JAIL IN THE U.S. STATE OF GEORGIA TO FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES. GIULIANI IS AMONG 19 CO-DEFENDANTS THAT WERE CHARGED LAST WEEK WITH ATTEMPTING TO OVERTURN TRUMP'S 2020 ELECTION DEFEAT IN GEORGIA. THE FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR IS FACING 13 COUNTS, INCLUDING RACKETEERING AND CONSPIRACY. DONALD TRUMP IS EXPECTED TO TURN HIMSELF IN TO FULTON COUNTY AUTHORITIES TOMORROW. TO SPORT, THE ALL BLACKS HAVE NAMED A STRONG TEAM TO FACE SOUTH AFRICA IN THEIR FINAL MATCH BEFORE THE RUGBY WORLD CUP. LUKE JACOBSON WILL RECEIVE HIS FIRST START IN THE NUMBER 6 JERSEY. COACH IAN FOSTER SAYS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PROTECT PLAYERS WHEN SELECTING THIS TEAM. WE THINK THE GAP BETWEEN THE LAST TEST AND THE FRANCE GAME WAS TOO LATE FOR US TO... WAS TOO BIG FOR US TO SORT OF... USE THIS GAME AS A COTTON-WOOL EXERCISE. SO, CLEARLY, WE HAVE GOT TWO OR THREE PLAYERS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AFTER FROM AN INJURY PERSPECTIVE, BUT THE REST OF IT, IT IS A GREAT TEST MATCH TWO WEEKS BEFORE A WORLD CUP, AND THE ONLY WAY TO GO INTO THIS IS A FULL THROTTLE. IT'S THE FIRST TIME THE ALL BLACKS HAVE PLAYED THE DEFENDING CHAMPIONS AT TWICKENHAM SINCE THE 2015 WORLD CUP SEMI-FINAL. ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE HOW THE WEATHER IS SHAPING UP IN YOUR PLACE TODAY. TO THE TOP OF THE COUNTRY ` MOSTLY CLOUDY, WITH SHOWERS THIS AFTERNOON. BLUE SKIES FOR THOSE IN WHITIANGA. YOU'VE GOT A HIGH OF 15 . FURTHER SOUTH ` IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY FROSTY START IF YOU'RE IN TAUPO, OTHERWISE A NICE, FINE DAY FOR ALL OF YOU. 14 THE HIGH FOR WHAKATANE AND HAMILTON. TO THE EAST COAST ` IT'S A PARTLY CLOUDY START TO YOUR MORNING FOR YOU GUYS. THIS WILL THEN CLEAR TO A FINE DAY HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. 14 THE HIGH FOR NAPIER. AND 13 FOR GISBORNE. OVER TO THE WEST ` A FINE START, WITH SOME MORNING FROST FOR THOSE IN TAUMARUNUI AND WHANGANUI. SUNSHINE FOR THE REST OF YOUR DAY. 13 THE HIGH FOR LEVIN. AND 12 AND THE CAPITAL. TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` IT'S A CLOUDY MORNING FOR YOU ALL, BEFORE TURNING TO FINE HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON FOR THOSE ON THE EAST. OUT WEST, A BIT CLOUDIER. 13 THERE. HEADING SOUTH ` ANOTHER CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF YOU TODAY, WITH SOME MORNING FROST ACROSS THE REGION. 12 THE HIGH FOR TIMARU, STARTING OFF ON ZERO. TO THE DEEP SOUTH ` IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A CLOUDY DAY FOR YOU ALL, WITH SOME SHOWERS FOR MOST HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. HEAVY RAIN FOR THOSE IN OBAN. 13 AND SUNSHINE FOR QUEENSTOWN. IT'S TIME TO WATCH SOME OF NEW ZEALAND'S BEST BOXERS DEFEND THEIR WORLD TITLES. LANI DANIELS AND MEA MOTU WILL PUT THEIR BELTS ON THE LINE IN A BLOCKBUSTER NIGHT OF FIGHTING. TO TALK MORE ABOUT HER FAST FEET AND LEFT-RIGHT-GOOD-NIGHTS IS LANI DANIELS AND HER TRAINER, JOHN CONWAY. HEY, HOW GOOD IS THAT? MORENA TO YOU BOTH. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. HOW WAS THE BUILDUP GOING? IT IS CHOICE. ESPECIALLY NOW WE'RE INTO THE WIND DOWN WEEK. IT IS COMING OFF THE BACK OF A CHOICE FIGHT. SO CLOSE. THIS FELLA HAS BEEN DRILLING ME. IT IS REALISTIC BOXING TRAINING. IT IS PRETTY MUCH A FULL-TIME JOB WHEN YOU ARE A WORLD TITLE CONTENDER. WE HAVE BEEN DOING OUR JOB, DOING OUR WORK. MAHI HAS BEEN DONE. I IMAGINE THIS WEEK IS A BIT OF A WIND DOWN AFTER THE FIVE WEEKS. IT IS A ME WEEK WHEN I REFILL MY CUP. THE LAST FIVE WEEKS HAS BEEN A MENTAL CHALLENGE FOR ME. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW I COULD HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF MY COACH, AND MY OTHER COACH WHO IS NOT HERE. IT IS JUST SO TOUGH. AND IT HAS HIGHLIGHTED FOR ME THE PORTENTS OF SURROUNDING YOURSELF WITH GOOD PEOPLE BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE HONESTLY QUICK, IT WAS THAT HARD TO STOP I QUESTION MYSELF LATE, WHAT AM I EVEN DOING? CAN I DO THIS? BUT WITH THE POWER OF THE MIND AND GOOD COMPANY IT PROVES THAT I CAN. WHEN YOU TAKE ATHLETES THROUGH THAT FIVE-WEEK PERIOD, IT IS TOUGH. YOU HEAR HER TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IT'S TIME POINTS AS I WOULD HAVE GOT THROUGH IT. IS IT ABOUT TAKING THEM INTO THE DEPTHS OF THAT DARK SPACE SO THAT WHEN THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TIME TO PERFORM THEY HAVE BEEN THERE AND THIS IS THE EASY PART. WHEN YOU HAVE FIGHTS IN THE GYM. YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO BREAK THEM BUT YOU WANTED TAKE THEM CLOSE TO BEING BROKEN AND REBUILD THEM. SHE HAS BEEN PUSHED RIGHT TO THE LIMITS. AND AS A TRAINER, SHE WILL BE MY BEST WORK, REALLY. GOING INTO THE RING AS THE WORLD CHAMPION, HOW DOES THAT FEEL? AND IS THAT DIFFERENT TO OTHER FIGHTS WHEN YOU HAVE STEPPED INTO THE RING? I STILL FEEL LIKE THE SAME OLD LANI FROM PORIRUA. I DON'T THINK THAT WILL CHANGE BUT I THINK THAT IS MY SUPERPOWER. ONE THING MY COACHES NOISE SAID TO ME FROM THE GET GO IT IS ONE THING WINNING A WORLD TITLE BUT IT IS ANOTHER THING DEFENDING IT. I WANT TO SHOW THE WORLD TO MYSELF THAT I'M NOT A ONE TIME. SO I REALLY WANT TO PROVE THIS TO EVERYBODY AND MYSELF. I DIDN'T JUST WHEN THAT ONE BY ACCIDENT; I'M HERE FOR A REASON. JOHN, I WANT TO ASK YOU AS WE WIND THINGS UP ` THE PASSING OF CHRIS MARTIN WHO WAS A BOXING COACH THAT DIED EARLIER THIS WEEK. THIS WAS A HUGE SHOCK TO THE BOXING WORLD. THAT WAS A SHOCK. WE JUST SEE EACH OTHER WORKING AT TOURNAMENTS AND THAT. WE ARE ORIGINALLY FROM THE SAME GYM TOGETHER SO WE TRAINED TOGETHER IN OUR 20S AND WE NOTE OTHER QUITE WELL SINCE THEN. AND WE WORKED TOGETHER ON A FIGHT WITH THE JAPANESE CHAMPION WAS UP WE WORKED ON GOING SLIGHTLY BACKWARDS ON THE LEFT HOOK. THAT IS HOW I STOPPED MY JAPANESE OPPONENT WITH THAT COMBO. HE IS AN EXCELLENT TRAINER AND HUMAN BEING IT WAS A SHOCK AND A SURPRISE. HE WILL BE MISSED. INDEED HE WILL. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING ABOUT YOUR FRIEND AND I KNOW YOU WILL BE ATTENDING HIS TANGI. THANK YOU SO MUCH YOU BOTH OF YOU. ME U TONU MAI. NATIONAL POETRY DAY IS HERE. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING THATS HAPPENING AFTER THE BREAK. # IT'S STILL IN THE DARK # AND I STOPPED TO PUT GAS IN THE CAR MORENA, WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. IT'S BACK ` THE PHANTOM BILLSTICKERS NATIONAL POETRY DAY. THE COUNTRYWIDE CELEBRATION OF POETRY IS BACK FOR IT'S 26TH YEAR, KICKING OFF TOMORROW. AND THERE ARE MANY WAYS YOU CAN MARK THE EVENT AND GET INVOLVED. JOINING US NOW ARE POETS RICHARD PAMATATAU AND COURTNEY SINA MEREDITH. MORENA. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. I WANT TO START WITH WHAT DREW YOU BOTH TO POETRY IN THE FIRST PLACE IS NOT WHAT MAKES YOUR HEART SING? IT IS FUN. IT IS NOT EASY. AND IT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN SHARE WITH PEOPLE YOU DON'T NEED A FANCY DEGREE TO BE A POET. YOU DON'T, BUT ONE CAN HELP. I WOULD SAY FAMILY FOR ME. MY MOTHER IS A POET SO THE FIRST POETRY I EVER HEARD WAS MY MOTHER'S OWN VERSE. SO DID YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO? I KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING SPECIAL BUT I KNEW IN OUR CULTURE AND OUR COMMUNITIES THAT OUR HISTORIES ARE PASSED DOWN THROUGH BREATH, SO IT FELT VERY NATURAL TO BECOME A POET. IT IS ONE THING TO LOVE AND ENJOY POETRY, IT IS ANOTHER THING TO CREATE YOUR OWN. PEOPLE THINK YOU CAN CHUCK SOMETHING DOWN ON A PAGE. AND WHEN I AM WORKING WITH MY STUDENTS, WE DO THE THEORETICAL STUFF. WE WRITE, AND WRITE AND WRITE. AND IT IS FUN. YOU DIG INTO YOUR HISTORY AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR ADVENTURES ARE PUT ON THE PAGE. BECAUSE OF THE CONNECTION TO YOUR MUM, COURTNEY, HOW HARD WAS IT TO STEP OUT AND FIND WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, AS OPPOSED TO REWORKING WHAT YOU HAD HEARD FROM YOUR OWN FAMILY? I COME FROM AN NATURALLY CREATIVE FAMILY AND I GREW UP IN THAT KIND OF 90S PACIFIC BUT I KNEW I WAS GOING TO BE IN THE ARTS ARE NOT SERIALLY HELP. SEEMS LIKE A NATURAL EXTENSION FROM THE SINGING AS WELL BECAUSE I HAVE A MUSICAL BACKGROUND. BUT I FOUND DEFINING MY OWN VOICE HAS BEEN ABOUT THE COLLECTIVE POWER WITHIN WITH PACIFIC WOMEN, WOMEN OF COLOUR AND QUEER WOMEN. IS THERE A CONNECTION BETWEEN SONGWRITING AND POETRY? WE ARE LISTENING TO BEYONCE AND THAT NEW BANGER SHE HAD, DON'T BREAK ME DOWN. THE KID SAID, THAT IS NOT A POEM. BUT I SAID LET'S BREAK DOWN THE TEXT. IT HAS FORM, IT HAS SHAPE. PEOPLE WHO ARE WRITING SONGS ARE WRITING POEMS. ABSOLUTELY. RADIOHEAD. NINA SIMONE. DAVID BOWIE. AS IT STILL SEEN AS NICHE? I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT READ BUT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT READ POETRY. IT IS A BIG THING WITH YOUNG PEOPLE. MY STUDENTS ARE CONSUMING POETRY, AND INSTAGRAM IS ONE OF THE REASON. THERE ARE INSTAGRAM AND TWITTER POETS. THEY LOVE SLAM. I'VE HAD STUDENTS WRITE A SLAM ESSAY INSTEAD OF A FORMAL ESSAY. WHEN YOU TAKE MATERIAL AND CONCENTRATOR INTO A SLAM POEM, THAT IS AN ESSAY. IS IT ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE? BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK POETRY IS VERY HIGHBROW AND IT IS NOT FOR THEM. THIS IS WHERE IT KIND OF COMES BACK TO THE DIVERSITY AND POETRY ESPECIALLY FOR PACIFIC AND MAORI PEOPLE. OUR HISTORIES ARE ORAL AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL RELATIVELY NEW. SO I THINK IT IS AN INDIGENOUS ART FORM THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TURNING TO. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO THAT WITH US AS WELL AND IT IS EXCITING. IT CAN BE HARD BUT IT CANNOT BE HEALING. WE WERE WORKING ON HAIKU THIS WEEK. AND ONE STUDENT SAID, YOUR THEME IS POTATO AND YOU HAVE TO WRITE A HAIKU.. FRY ME MASH ME UP TRUFFLE OIL NICE AND SILKY SLIDING ON YOUR TONGUE AND THE KIDS ASKED ME TO RESPOND TO THAT. THAT IS A POTATO. TELL ME ABOUT NATIONAL POETRY DAVE BECAUSE THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO CELEBRATE WHAT YOU LOVE SO MUCH. THERE ARE SO MANY EVENTS. YOU ARE PART OF THE WALKING POETRY. IT IS WALKING AND POETRY FUSING TOGETHER. THERE ARE SEVEN DAYS OF WALKING. PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR IT AT URBANWALKING.NET YOU GO THERE AND PUT YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND AND STARTING TOMORROW THERE ARE SEVEN DAYS OF POETRY GUIDED TEXT MAGICALLY COMING THROUGH. A PROMPT. THAT WILL SET THE MOOD FOR YOUR WALK. IF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE AN AFTERNOON WALK WITH ME, I WILL BE THERE TO. IT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO CELEBRATE THIS AMAZING ART FORM. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING. THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, I THINK TVNZ SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN POETRY THING IS PART OF THIS. SHOULD I TRY AND WRITE SOMETHING FOR YOU BECAUSE MUCH I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE A HAIKU COMPETITION. WE WILL WORK ON THAT. THANK YOU FOR SPREADING THE LOVE OF POETRY. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL THING. A MURI I NGA WHAKATAIRANGA. YOUR 8.30 NEWS, SPORT AND WEATHER. PLUS TESSA IS FINDING A NEW WAY TO DO KARAOKE. YES, THAT IS RIGHT, CHRIS. I AM ABOUT TO BLESS AUCKLAND WITH A BEAUTIFUL SOUND OF MY VOCAL CHORDS. STAY TUNED TO HEAR THIS. # HELLO, TAMAKI MAKAURAU # I AM IN UBER KARAOKE (UPBEAT MUSIC) WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. SOMETIMES GETTING FROM A TO B CAN BE A LITTLE BORING, BUT THAT WASN'T THE EXPERIENCE OF A FEW OF OUR COLLEAGUES, WHO CLAIMED TO HAVE TO BEST UBER RIDE OF THEIR LIFE OVER THE WEEKEND. TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHAT MAKES HIS JOURNEY'S SO SPECIAL, TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHAT MAKES HIS JOURNEYS SO SPECIAL, TESSA PARKER HAS JUST BEEN REUNITED WITH BOB. MORNING, TESS. KIA ORA. I HAVE UPGRADED MY MICROPHONE FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SPECIAL. THAT IS BECAUSE OF MY GREAT FRIEND BOB. BOB, DRIVER EXTRAORDINAIRE, HE HAS AN INCREDIBLE GLOVE AND STUMBLING. INCREDIBLE CAR. HOW DID YOU GET INTO THIS? IT IS A LONG STORY. I STARTED TO DRIVE TAXI, AND I DROVE DISABILITY, ESPECIALLY KIDS, AND THEY STARTED YELLING AND SCREAMING OR EACH OTHER, AND I SAID NO, AND I WORKED IN THE MEDIA INDUSTRY ALL MY LIFE, AND I PLAYED ON A ROCK BAND, AND I FINISHED STUDIES, I AM AN ECONOMIST, AND SPEAKING FOR LANGUAGES, AND THEN I TOOK A CHANCE TO INSTALL SOME LITTLE AMPLIFIER WITH A MICROPHONE, AND WHEN THE KIDS STARTED TO SING AND HAVE FUN WITH ME. YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD BRING IN THE MUSIC. THE MUSIC DOES LOTS TO KIDS. AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, ME AND MY COLLEAGUES HAD A GREAT TIME IN THIS CAR WITH YOU LAST SATURDAY NIGHT. CAN WE GET THE KARAOKE GOING? I HAVE A PROP. IT LOOKS GOOD. I HAVE SILLY GLASSES. I HAVE 77 SCARVES. JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, I HAVE A KARAOKE SCREEN BEHIND ME, BECAUSE I NEED THE LYRICS. WE CHOSE A SONG BEFORE. WE DID. OKAY. THIS IS UPTOWN GIRL. # UPTOWN GIRL, # SHE'S BEEN LIVING IN A UPTOWN WORLD. I SING WITH YOU. MY MICROPHONE HAS GONE. TAKE IT AWAY. I AM SO BAD. # ... AS LONG AS # LOOKING FOR A DOWNTOWN MAN. # THAT'S ALL I AM. # AND WHEN SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE WANTS (MUMBLES) YOU KEEP DRIVING. THIS HAS BEEN THE BEST CROSS YOU HAVE EVER DONE FOR US. EVER. THANKS, MATTY. # YOU ARE AN UPTOWN GIRL. ANNA: YOU ARE ON THE MOVE. OKAY. I NEED TO LOOK AT THE LYRICS. STOP DISTRACTING ME. IF YOU ARE IN AUCKLAND... (VOCALISES) HE DESERVES 5 1/2 STARS. HE IS THE UNSUNG HERO OF THE INDUSTRY. THAT WAS SO GOOD. WE HAVE MORE TO COME IN THIS HALF-HOUR, BUT LET'S GET TO CHRIS AND THE 8:30 AM NEWS. THAT IS QUITE THE PIVOT. DESPITE THE UN CALLING IT A FORM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE, HUNDREDS OF PRISONERS IN AOTEAROA ARE STILL BEING PUT INTO PROLONGED SOLITARY CONFINEMENT OR DIRECTED SEGREGATION EVERY YEAR. NEW FIGURES OBTAINED BY BREAKFAST SHOW MORE THAN 3500 PRISONERS SPENT LONGER THAN 15 DAYS IN DIRECTED SEGREGATION FROM JULY IN 2019 TO MAY IN 2023. NUMBERS PEAKED BETWEEN JULY OF 2021 AND JUNE OF 2022. CORRECTIONS SAYING THE HIGH NUMBERS WERE IN PART DRIVEN BY COVID CONTINGENCIES. A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST SAYS IDEALLY THIS WOUULDN'T BE USED IN PRISONS, BUT THERE'S A RANGE OF FACTORS. THE USE OF SEGREGATION OFTEN AID ONE OF A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES. OFTEN, IT'S A LAST STRATEGY BECAUSE OF THE OFTEN EXTREME NATURE OF THAT TO, AGAIN, MAINTAIN SAFETY AND, IN MANY WAYS, ORDER WITHIN THAT PRISON COMPLEX. BUT I GUESS IT SITS WITHIN A NEST OF MORE COMPLEX ISSUES AS WELL. HE MENTIONED STAFF SHORTAGES ` A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AT THE MOMENT. BUT ALSO WITH INCREASING REMAND POPULATIONS AS WELL. A UNITED NATIONS REPORT SIX YEARS AGO SLAMMED NEW ZEALAND'S 'WIDESPREAD AND CONCERNING' USE OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IN PRISONS. A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN LAUNCHED AFTER A SUDDEN DEATH IN THE AUCKLAND SUBURB OF EPSOM. EMERGENCY SERVICES RESPONDED TO REPORTS OF A PERSON WITH SERIOUS INJURIES AT A MOTEL YESTERDAY EVENING, WHO LATER DIED AT THE SCENE. A MALE (19) HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDER AND IS DUE TO APPEAR IN THE AUCKLAND DISTRICT COURT TODAY. POLICE SAY THEY AREN'T SEEKING ANYONE ELSE IN THE RELATION TO THE MATTER. POLICE HAVE ARRESTED TWO PEOPLE IN RELATION TO THE DEATH OF A MAN (70) IN AN APARTMENT ON AUCKLAND'S UPPER QUEEN STREET YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. A MAN (35) AND A WOMAN (26) ARE EXPECTED TO APPEAR IN AUCKLAND'S DISTRICT COURT TODAY. A POLICE PRESENCE WILL REMAIN AT THE APARTMENT AS STAFF WORK TO COMPLETE A SCENE EXAMINATION. A SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNEL LINKED TO THE WAGNER MERCENARY GROUP SAYS THE GROUP'S LEADER YEVGENY PRIGOZHIN HAS BEEN KILLED IN A PLANE CRASH NORTH OF MOSCOW THIS MORNING. RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES SAY PRIGOZHIN WAS ON BOARD THE PRIVATE JET WHICH CRASHED EN ROUTE TO ST PETERSBURG, LEAVING NO SURVIVORS. SO FAR, EIGHT BODIES HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM THE WRECKAGE. THE PLANE CRASH COMES AFTER PRIGOZHIN LED A FAILED REBELLION AGAINST THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IN JUNE. EXPERTS SAY THERE ARE REASONS TO BELIEVE THE CRASH COULD BE SUSPICIOUS. PEOPLE WHO FALL OUT WITH MR PUTIN OR WHO ARE DEEMED TO BE AN ENEMY OF MR PUTIN OFTEN HAVE AN UNHAPPY ENDING, SO TO SPEAK. BUT WE SHOULDN'T RULE OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF OTHER GROUPS WHO MAY HAVE A REASON TO ATTACK WAGNER'S LEADER. REMEMBER, MR PRIGOZHIN WAS AN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE INVASION; IT'S JUST HE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS BEING PROSECUTED VERY WELL. SO THERE MAYBE` THOSE GROUPS IN RUSSIA WHO HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE, ACTUALLY, WHO ARE ARE PRO-UKRAINIAN AND ACTUALLY OPPOSE THE WAR, THEY MAY ALSO HAVE HAVE MOTIVES FOR BEING INVOLVED IN SUCH AN INCIDENT. BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW. U.S. PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN SAYS PRIGOZHIN'S DEATH WOULD BE NO SURPRISE, ADDING THERE'S 'NOT MUCH THAT HAPPENS IN RUSSIA THAT PUTIN'S NOT BEHIND'. GUNSHOTS HAVE BEEN HEARD IN THE U.S. CITY OF PITTSBURGH IN WHAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED AS AN 'EXTREMELY ACTIVE SHOOTER' SITUATION. (GUNSHOTS IN DISTANCE) AUTHORITIES SAY THE SUSPECT OPENED FIRE ON SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES WHO WERE TRYING TO EVICT HIM. THE FBI SAYS IT'S ASSISTING LOCAL AUTHORITIES. RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN EVACUATED FROM NEARBY HOUSEHOLDS. INDIA HAS MADE SPACE EXPLORATION HISTORY, BECOMING THE FOURTH COUNTRY TO TOUCH DOWN ON THE MOON. SO, WE HAVE ACHIEVED A SOFT LANDING ON THE MOON. INDIA IS ON THE MOON. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) INDIA IS ALSO THE FIRST TO MARK ITS TERRITORY ON THE MOON'S UNEXPLORED SOUTH POLE ` A PART OF THE LUNAR SURFACE THOUGHT TO HOLD IMPORTANT MINERALS, INCLUDING FROZEN WATER. IT'S HOPED THIS COULD PAVE THE WAY FOR FUTURE SPACE MISSIONS. NOW, WATER IS A FANTASTICALLY VALUABLE RESOURCE, AS WE KNOW, FOR HUMAN LIFE. WE NEED IT TO STAY ALIVE. AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR ANY CREWED MISSION TO ANY OTHER SURFACE IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM. SO AS A STEPPING STONE TO DISCOVERING OR HUMAN EXPLORATION ON OTHER SURFACES SUCH AS MARS, FOR INSTANCE, DISCOVERING WATER ON THE SURFACE OF THE MOON IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY VALUABLE FOR THOSE MISSIONS. THE LANDER IS ROAMING THE SATELLITE'S SURFACE, COLLECTING DATA AND IMAGES TO BE SENT BACK TO EARTH FOR ANALYSIS. INDIA'S SUCCESS COMES JUST DAYS AFTER RUSSIA'S LUNA25 SPACECRAFT CRASHED IN ITS BID TO GET THERE FIRST. TO SPORT, AND WELLINGTON HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED THE RANFURLY SHIELD IN A LOW-SCORING NPC MATCH, BEATING TASMAN 7-0. NEITHER SIDES WAS ABLE TO KICK THEIR ATTEMPTS AT GOAL, MISSING THREE PENALTY CHANCES. WELLINGTON FINALLY BREAKING THE DEADLOCK THROUGH A DRIVING MAUL. O'REILLY STILL IN CONTROL. A WRAP-AROUND ON THE LEFT SIDE. JAMES O'REILLY ` WHAT A SEASON HE'S HAVING IN 2023. AN OLD BOYS MARIST HOOKER. THE LIONS' NEXT SHIELD DEFENCE IS AGAINST COUNTIES MANUKAU NEXT MONTH. LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT HOW THE WEATHER IS SHAPING UP AT YOUR PLACE TODAY. TO THE TOP OF THE COUNTRY ` MOSTLY CLOUDY, WITH SHOWERS THIS AFTERNOON. BLUE SKIES FOR THOSE IN WHITIANGA. 14 THE HIGH FOR RUSSELL. FURTHER SOUTH ` IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY FROSTY START IF YOU'RE IN TAUPO, OTHERWISE A NICE, FINE DAY FOR ALL OF YOU. 14 THE HIGH FOR WHAKATANE. TO THE EAST COAST ` IT'S A PARTLY CLOUDY START TO YOUR MORNING FOR YOU GUYS. THIS WILL THEN CLEAR TO A FINE DAY HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. 14 THE HIGH FOR NAPIER. 13 FOR HASTINGS AND GISBORNE. OVER TO THE WEST ` A FINE START, WITH SOME MORNING FROST FOR THOSE IN TAUMARUNUI AND WHANGANUI. SUNSHINE FOR THE REST OF YOUR DAY. 13 THE HIGH FOR LEVIN. TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` IT'S A CLOUDY MORNING FOR YOU ALL, BEFORE TURNING TO FINE HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON FOR THOSE ON THE EAST. A BIT CLOUDY OUT WEST. HEADING SOUTH ` ANOTHER CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF YOU TODAY, WITH SOME MORNING FROST ACROSS THE REGION. 12 THE HIGH FOR TIMARU. 12 ALSO FOR CHRISTCHURCH. TO THE DEEP SOUTH ` IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A CLOUDY DAY FOR YOU ALL, WITH SOME SHOWERS FOR MOST HEADING INTO YOUR AFTERNOON. HEAVY RAIN FOR THOSE IN OBAN. HAVE YOU RECOVERED FROM THAT KARAOKE SESSION? TESSA, DO NOT GIVE UP THE BREAKFAST JOB, BUT YOU ARE STILL A STAR. ISN'T SHE, THOUGH? I THINK THAT COULD BE A REGULAR SEGMENT. SEND US YOUR SONG SUGGESTIONS, AND WE WILL GET BOB TO GO AROUND THE BLOCK. YOU WOULD BE A KARAOKE FIEND. NOT ESPECIALLY, NO. I IMAGINE TESSA AND THE REST OF THEM WOULD HAVE THEM BELTING THEM OUT. BOB HAS GOT TO FIND SOME WAY TO COPE WITH HER AND HER MATES ON A SATURDAY NIGHT. IT IS A BIG THING OVERSEAS WHERE DRIVERS GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE THEIR JOURNEYS SPECIAL. JUST BEFORE WE DO MOVE ON, MATTY, WHAT IS YOUR GO TO KARAOKE SONG? IF I DO KARAOKE, IT IS GO BIG OR GO HOME, SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, YOU GO ALL OUT. THAT IS A SIGN THAT YOU SHOULD JUST GO HOME. WHITNEY HOUSTON, I HAVE NOTHING. HUGE. THAT IS A BIG SONG, MATTY. IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT, DO IT RIGHT. WILL YOU GIVE US A TASTER? I DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME OF THE MORNING, ANNA. WE'LL GET BOB TO COME AROUND THE BLOCK. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE ON UNTIL I DO IT? OTHERWISE IT IS AWKWARD TV. I FEEL LIKE I NEED THE BACKING TRACK. # TAKE MY LOVE, # I'LL NEVER ASK FOR TOO MUCH. IT IS LOVELY. # IT'S ALL THAT YOU ARE, # EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. # I DON'T REALLY NEED TO LOOK # VERY MUCH FURTHER. # I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO WHERE YOU WON'T FOLLOW. # I WON'T HOLD IT BACK AGAIN, THIS PASSION INSIDE. # I CAN'T RUN FROM MYSELF. # THERE'S NOWHERE TO HIDE. HERE IT IS. THAT IS ALL YOU ARE GETTING. I LOVE IT. SO, SO, SO GOOD. ALL RIGHT, CHORUS NUMBER TWO AFTER THE BREAK. WHERE IS BOB? WE ARE STICKING WITH THE THEME. E WHAI AKE NEI ` # ...HALFWAY DOWN DOMINION RD. # WHOA. A LOCAL SONGWRITING ICON. WE REFLECT ON DON MCGLASHAN AHEAD OF A MAJOR HONOUR. SO GOOD, MATTY. # ANCHOR ME # IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR DEEP BLUE SEA. # ANCHOR ME. WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. THE NEW ZEALAND MUSIC HALL OF FAME WILL SOON HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER, AND YOU MAY BE SURPRISED THAT HE WASN'T ALREADY THERE. I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE A CAREER. I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT THAT I WOULD HAVE A CAREER IN MUSIC. I ALWAYS IMAGINED I'D DO THIS FOR A WHILE AND THEN DO SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD FEED THE KIDS... AND NOT BE SO HAND-TO-MOUTH. DON MCGLASHAN ` SONGWRITER, PERFORMER, INDUSTRY CHAMPION ` WILL BE THE LATEST INDUCTEE OF THE HALL OF FAME AT THIS YEAR'S SILVER SCROLL AWARDS. TO REFLECT ON A CELEBRATED CAREER IS MUSIC JOURNALIST AND BROADCASTER CHARLOTTE RYAN. MORENA. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN THIS MORNING. IT IS A PLEASURE. I AM SURPRISED HE IS NOT ALREADY IN THERE. YOU SAY THIS IS A NEW IDEA FOR US. IT STARTED IN 2007, SO WE HAVE TO DO A BIT OF CATCHING UP. WE HAVE STARTED TO RECENTLY. WE HAVE HAD SUCH AN EXCITING MUSIC INDUSTRY SINCE THE 60S OR EVEN THE 50S, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ARTISTS TO GET THROUGH. BUT DON DEFINITELY DESERVES TO BE THERE. HIS CAREER SPANS WELL BEFORE THE HALL OF FAMER EVEN EXISTED. YOU ARE SO RIGHT. HIS CAREER IS INCREDIBLE. HE HAS DONE SO MUCH IN FRONT OF OUR EYES BUT ALSO BEHIND-THE-SCENES. HE STARTED OUT AS A FRENCH HORN PLAYER IN THE AUCKLAND FULL AMMONIA. WE SAW A BIT OF THAT. HE STARTED OUT AS A FRENCH HORN PLAYER, THEN HE JOINED A BAND CALLED FROM SCRATCH, AND THEY WERE A THEATRE IMPROVISED GROUP, AND HE WAS QUITE AN ALTERNATIVE ARTIST AT THE START OF HIS CAREER. AND THEN HE CAME BACK AND FORMS THE FRONT LAWN, AND THEY ARE AN INCREDIBLE THEATRE COMPANY MUSIC ACTS. HE DECIDED HE WANTED TO GO 100% INTO MUSIC, AND THEY DID SOME GREAT KARAOKE SONGS. THEN THEY SLOW DOWN AND THE MUTTON BIRDS WERE FORMED. THIS IS WHERE MOST OF NEW ZEALAND WOULD HAVE REALLY HURT HIM. * HEARD HIM ANCHOR ME, ALL OF THOSE CLASSIC SONGS. THERE WERE HUGE THROUGHOUT THE LATE 1990S. THEY THEN TRAVELLED OVER TO LONDON AND SET UP A BASE THERE. THEN THEY FIZZLED OUT A LITTLE BIT, AND HE STARTED HIS OWN CAREER. HE WENT SOLO. HE HAS RELEASED FOR SOLO ALBUMS. BEHIND-THE-SCENES, HE IS A HUGE, PASSIONATE PERSON FOR THE RIGHTS OF MUSICIANS. HE WORKS FOR APRA FOR MANY YEARS REPRESENTING MUSICIANS AND GETTING THEIR SONGWRITING CREDITS RIGHT AND GETTING THE MONEY CORRECTLY. HE REPRESENTS MUSIC HELPS, WHICH IS A FANTASTIC ORGANISATION THAT HELPS THE MENTAL HEALTH OF MUSICIANS. EVEN NOW, HE IS DOING KIRI AND LOU. THAT IS AN AMAZING ANIMATED SERIES. HE IS SO SPECIAL. THAT IS A HUGE CONTRIBUTION TO MUSIC. THE DEPTH AND BREADTH OF THINGS HE HAS TRIED AND DANA CONTRIBUTED TO AND HELP WITH IS ENORMOUS. DARE I ASK WHY HE HAS ONLY JUST MAKE IT INTO THE HALL OF FAMER? WE HAD SO MANY OTHER MUSICIANS TO GET THROUGH. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ARE ASKED TO ENTER IT, IT IS LIKE, I AM STILL WRITING MUSIC AND STILL RELEASING MUSIC. AND HE COMES ACROSS AS A BIT MORE HUMBLE, A BIT LESS INTERESTED IN THE GOLD TROPHIES AND MEDALS ON THE WALL. HE IS A TRUE MUSICIAN AND DOESN'T BOTHER HEART. * DOES IT FOR THE HEART WE DO NOT HAVE A HALL OF FAMER NEW ZEALAND, BUT WE HAVE A FANTASTIC WEBSITE, MAYBE WE CAN CROWD FUND FOR THAT. I THINK A HALL WITH THE PHOTOS EITHER SIDE AND MAYBE HEADPHONES WITH MUSIC WOULD BE AMAZING. HE IS UP THERE WITH RAY COLUMBUS AND THE HERBS, AND THE TOPP TWINS. VERY QUICKLY, YOUR FAVOURITE KARAOKE SONG BY DON. IT HAS TO BE THERE IS NO DEPRESSION AND NEW ZEALAND. I WILL NOT ASK YOU TO SING A COUPLE OF BARS JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT QUITE WANT UP YOUR VOCAL CALLS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN. THAT IS WHERE WE NEED MATTY, BUT HE IS NOT HERE AT THE MOMENT. E HAERE AKE NEI ` WHILE HIS MILKSHAKES MIGHT BRING ALL THE VIEWS TO THE YARD, ONE CANADIAN TIKTOKER HAS CAUGHT KIWI AND AUSTRALIAN FANS WITH HIS TIM TAM RECIPE. WE'LL HAVE MORE AFTER THE BREAK. # HOW WILL I KNOW IF HE'S THINKING OF ME? # I TRY TO FALL BUT I'M TOO SHY, CAN'T SPEAK # FALLING IN LOVE IS ALL BITTERSWEET. WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. THANKS TO LEGEND OF THE PEAKS, YOU COULD BE HEADING TO THE BEAUTIFUL ROTORUA FOR A WEEKEND GETAWAY. LEGEND OF THE PEAKS ARE GIVING AWAY TWO ENTRIES TO THEIR MARATHON AND FOREST FESTIVAL HAPPENING THIS NOVEMBER. FROM RUNNING OR WALKING, THERE'S AN EVENT FOR EVERYONE. ALONGSIDE THIS, YOU'LL ALSO RECEIVE FLIGHTS, ENTRY TO THE POLYNESIAN SPA, SKYLINE, TE PUIA AND THREE NIGHTS' ACCOMODATION. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO ENTER IS HEAD TO LEGENDOFTHEPEAKS.CO.NZ/WIN. PRETTY EASY. WE'LL BE ANNOUNCING THE WINNER LIVE ON AIR TOMORROW. RUNNING OUT OF TIME. THERE'S NO RECIPE TOO DIFFICULT FOR ONE CANADIAN MAN, FROM PICKLE FLOATS TO CHOCOLATE MILKSHAKES AND LONG ISLAND ICE TEAS. LARRY CANAM HAS GONE VIRAL FOR HIS FUN TIKTOK VIDEOS MAKING SOME OF YOUR FAVOURITE DRINKS. DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PICKLE FLOAT. BUT ONE VIDEO IN PARTICULAR THAT'S CAUGHT THE EYES OF US DOWN UNDER IS HIM TRYING A TIM TAM SLAM. SO, HOW DO YOU DO A TIM TAM SLAM? IT ACTUALLY IS QUITE SIMPLE. YOU BITE THE CORNER OFF OF THIS PART OF THE TIM TAM AND THEN DIAGONALLY DOWN HERE, AND YOU USE IT AS A STRAW TO TAKE UP A HOT LIQUID. WHAT HAPPENS, THOUGH, IS THE MINUTE ` SECOND, ACTUALLY ` THAT YOU TAKE YOUR HOT LIQUID UP THROUGH THE BISCUIT, IT BECOMES MOLTEN, LIKE, REAL FAST. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO IT. WOW. (CHUCKLES) THE PAPER TOWEL. THAT IS SO GOOD. NAILED IT. TO TELL US ALL ABOUT IT, WE'RE JOINED BY THE MAN HIMSELF, LARRY CANAM. LIVE FROM CANADA THIS MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING. HOW DID YOU EVEN FIND OUT ABOUT THE TIM TAM SLAM? I WAS MAKING A MILKSHAKE ON MONDAY AND IT IS SOMETHING I DO ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND I GOT COMMENTS SAYING, OVER WHERE WE LIVE, WE NEVER GET MILKSHAKE MONDAY. IT IS ALWAYS ON A TUESDAY. SO I WAS MAKING A MILKSHAKE THAT IS CALLED THE NERDS MILKSHAKE. AND I THOUGHT I AM GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO I SAID OK, ALL THE PEOPLE LIVING IN NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIA, I THINK IT WAS 10 O'CLOCK IN WELLINGTON. SO I MADE THIS MILKSHAKE AND POSTED IT. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID LISTEN, YOU NEED TO DO I TIM TAM MILKSHAKE. SO WHEN I DID THE TIM TAM MILKSHAKE, I HAD PEOPLE COMMENTING SAYING YOU NEED TO DO ATTEMPT CAN SLAM, AND I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THAT WAS. THAT IS WHERE I GOT THE IDEA FROM. I WATCH SOME VIDEOS ON AND I DID IT. I WANT TO TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER AND TAKE IT A BIT FURTHER, LARRY. HOW DID YOU BECOME A TICK-TOCK SENSATION IN THE FIRST PLACE? MY SON AND I GET TOGETHER ONCE A WEEK AND WE HAVE A DRINK AND A MOVIE. AND SO HE CAME OVER, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TWO AND HALF YEARS AGO, AND HE SAID, THERE IS A GREAT NEW APP CALLED TICK-TOCK. WHY DO WE MAKE A VIDEO OF YOU MAKING A COCKTAIL AND WE WILL POSTED ONLINE. I SAID, SURE. NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN FROM THAT LITTLE EXPERIMENT. NOW, LARRY, YOU ARE A TICK-TOCK SENSATION. I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR` AS THE HANDMADE PEANUT BUTTER MILKSHAKE YOUR MOST POPULAR VIDEO BECAUSE MUCH YES IT IS. IT CAME ABOUT THE WAY MOST OF MY THINGS COME ABOUT. I SAID WE DON'T HAVE A BLENDER, HOW CAN WE MAKE A MILKSHAKE? I SAID IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. I GET MASON JAR OUT AND I PUT MILK AND OTHER STUFF IN IT. I WAS IN ON THE FIRST TRY. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT JUST TOOK OFF. CAN YOU FATHOM HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WATCHING YOU MAKE THESE DRINKS? KNOW. IT IS SURREAL. IT IS SURREAL THAT I AM ON A NEW ZEALAND SHOW. THE CRAZIEST THING IS NONE OF US HERE ON THE BREAKFAST SHOW HAVE EVER DON A TIM TAM SLAM BEFORE. GIVE US A TIP ON HOW TO DO THIS SUCCESSFULLY BECAUSE YOU GOT IT IN ONE. YOU HAVE TO BITE IT OFF DIAGONALLY ONE CORNER AND THEN THE OPPOSITE CORNER. AND THEN TAKE A BIT INTO YOUR COFFEE OR TEA OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE, AND THEN DRAW IT BACK THROUGH. LARRY, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO HERE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS IT DISINTEGRATES PRETTY QUICKLY. IT IS WHEN WHEN BECAUSE IF YOU FAIL YOU GET TO DO IT AGAIN. THAT IS WHY THEY CALL IT THE SLAM. I CAN'T GET IT IN. I AM A FAIL. (SLURP) DOES IT WORK? MM. YOU DID IT. MINERS IN THE CUP. I WOULD LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE BEHIND YOU TO BE PUT IN MY CUP OF TEA. HE DOES THAT AS WELL, JENNY MAY. THAT IS LARRY JOINING US LIVE FROM CANADA. IT IS ALWAYS 5 PM OR 6 PM SOMEWHERE. GO MAKE YOURSELF A DRINK, LARRY. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. WE WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW MORNING CAPTIONS BY TOM CLARKE, DREW WELSH, JULIE TAYLOR AND COURTNEY SOLE. CAPTIONS WERE MADE WITH THE SUPPORT OF NZ ON AIR. WWW.ABLE.CO.NZ COPYRIGHT ABLE 2023