CAPTIONS BY TOM CLARKE AND LENA ERAKOVICH. CAPTIONS WERE MADE WITH THE SUPPORT OF NZ ON AIR. WWW.ABLE.CO.NZ COPYRIGHT ABLE 2023 ATA MARIE, GOOD MORNING ` AND WE ARE WAKING UP THIS MORNING TO A NEW POLITICAL LANDSCAPE. CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL BE THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND. WITH NATIONAL SECURING 38.9% OF THE PARTY VOTE. ALONGSIDE HIM WILL BE DAVID SEYMOUR - POTENTIALLY AS DEPUTY PM - THE ACT PARTY GROWING ITS VOTE TO 8.9% AND PICKING UP ANOTHER ELECTORATE SEAT. WINSTON PETERS IS BACK IN PARLIAMENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN GOVERNMENT AFTER NEW ZEALAND FIRST PICKED UP 6.4% OF THE VOTE. AND AS IT STANDS THIS MORNING, ACT AND NATIONAL COULD FORM A GOVERNMENT ALONE, BUT WITH THE SLIMMEST OF MAJORITIES - SO CHRISTOPHER LUXON MAY STILL NEED TO PICK UP THE PHONE TO WINSTON. OVER ON THE LEFT ` IT WAS A BLOODBATH, REALLY. LABOUR'S HISTORIC 2020 MAJORITY DECIMATED ` JUST 26.9% OF KIWIS VOTING FOR THE INCUMBENT PARTY. THEIR VOTE BLEEDING TO BOTH NEW ZEALAND FIRST - AND THE GREENS, WHO ENDED THE NIGHT WITH 10.7% AND TWO MORE ELECTORATE SEATS. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER BIG STORY LAST NIGHT ` TE PATI MAORI, WHICH TAKES 4 OF THE 7 MAORI SEATS AND TOOK 2.6% OF THE VOTE. SO THIS IS HOW IT ALL TRANSLATES INTO SEATS IN PARLIAMENT ` NATIONAL TAKES THE GOVERNMENT BENCHES WITH 50 SEATS; ACT'S 11 GETS THAT CENTRE-RIGHT COALITION TO 61. OVER HERE ON THE OPPOSITION BENCHES, LABOUR HAS 34 SEATS, GREENS 14 AND TE PATI MAORI FOUR. WHILE WE WAIT FOR CHRISTOPHER LUXON, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE ELECTION HIGHLIGHTS FROM LAST NIGHT. A BIT OF PARTY PIES FOR THOSE WHO NEEDED PARTY PIES. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TRY OUT ONE OF THESE SAUSAGE ROLLS, I THINK. SO THAT WAS A CAKE. ONE OF OUR AMAZING SUPPORTERS, DI GREER, HAS DONE THAT FOR US. AND SO I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE A PICTURE OF ME ON THE TOP THAT'S EDIBLE. (BOTH CHUCKLE) LABOUR ARE ABSOLUTELY GETTING DESTROYED. THE PARTY IS STARTING, AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY GOING OFF! WE... HAVE DONE THE IMPOSSIBLE. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) WE DID THIS! (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) TWO TIMES OVER, BABY! RIGHT, THIS BLUE-NAMI, THIS BLUE BULLDOZER... I RECKON WE'VE GOT TO PUT A STOP TO BLUE-NAMI. IT SOUNDS TOO MUCH LIKE... KIA ORA KOUTOU KATOUA! (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) KIA ORA KOUTOU KATOA! (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) OH, LOOK, THIS HASN'T BEEN MY CAMPAIGN; IT'S BEEN EVERYBODY'S CAMPAIGN WHO'S GIVEN UP THEIR TIME AND EFFORT IN TAMAKI. WHAT'S YOUR MESSAGE TO THE VOTERS? THANK YOU. (SING WAIATA) WELCOME TO OUR WAKA. WELCOME TO THE WAHAROA OF OUR MARAE, WHERE WE WILL WELCOME YOU, WE WILL FEED YOU, WE WILL HOUSE YOU, WE WILL CARE FOR YOU, WE WILL LOVE YOU. HANA-RAWHITI, IT'S JULIAN WILCOCK SPEAKING. HOW ARE YOU, NIECIE? (CHUCKLES) HI, UNCLE. (LAUGHTER) (ALL SING WAIATA) HAVE YOU CONCEDED? HAVE YOU CALLED CHRISTOPHER LUXON? I WILL SHARE IT ALL WHEN I GET IN THERE. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) TO MY FAMILY, (EMOTIONALLY) FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME... (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) AND WE WILL GET THIS COUNTRY... CROWD: BACK ON TRACK! THANK YOU EVERYONE AND GOOD NIGHT! (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) WE ARE COMING STRAIGHT INTO A POLITICAL PANEL. WAS GREAT TO SEE THOSE MOMENTS FROM LAST NIGHT, THE HIGHS AND THE LOWS. WE HAVE RADIO NEW ZEALAND HOST OF MATA, MIHI FORBES, NBR SENIOR JOURNALIST DITA DE BONI AND CO-FOUNDER OF NEWSROOM MARK JENNINGS. WELCOME TO YOU ALL. A HUGE NIGHT LAST NIGHT, SOME SURPRISES - THAT BLUE WAVE WAS CERTAINLY A SURPRISE BUT IT IS A TIGHT RESULT. IT SURE IS, AND WINSTON PETERS IS NOT QUITE IN THE RECKONING, BUT I RECKON HE WILL BE. NATIONAL AND ACT CAN ONLY GET TO THOSE 61 SEATS AND THAT IS A VERY SLIM MAJORITY. IT WAS BASICALLY AN EXPECTED RESULT DESPITE THE POLLS WHICH TOLD US ALL SORTS OF THINGS. WE GOT WHAT WE VOTED FOR. WHAT STOOD OUT TO YOU? ONE THING YOU CAN'T RULE OUT IS TE PARTY MAORI TOOK FOUR SEATS. NONE OF THEM PREDICTED TE TAI TONGA, HANA-RAWHITI MAIPI-CLARKE, AND OF COURSE RAWIRI. THAT MAY CREATE AN OVERHANG OF TWO OR THREE SEATS, THE SPECIALS. AND IN THAT CASE, THAT IS NO LONGER ENOUGH AND CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL BE PICKING UP THE PHONE. YOU HAVE ALSO GOT THE PROSPECT OF SOMEONE FLIPPING OUT - POLITICIANS CAN'T HOLD IT TOGETHER FOR THREE YEARS. SOMEONE GOES DOWN, AND THEN WHAT YOU DO? SO I THINK THEY SHOULD DEFINITELY BE TALKING TO WINSTON. I THINK WE SAW LAST NIGHT, WINSTON TAKING A CONCILIATORY LINE. HE WON'T BE A BIG TOUGH GUY THAT HE WAS. BUT HE IS WINSTON. HE NEVER IS, BEHIND-THE-SCENES HE MIGHT, BUT HE JUST WANTS TO BE THERE. HE IS A CYNICAL RETAIL POLITICIAN AND HE HAS IDENTIFIED HIS NICHE. I THINK YOU'RE BEING A BIT HARD ON THE CYNICAL. HE DOES - THIS IS A LEGACY NOW. HE HAS GOT A POISONOUS LEGACY. HE WAS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT 2026. HE HAS ALSO GOT NUMBER TWO, SHANE JONES WHO WILL NOT WANT TO BE ON THE OPPOSITION BENCHES. HE HAS BEEN THE MINISTER OF FORESTRY, HE HAD 3 BILLION TO TO HAND OUT TO THE REGIONS. THERE WILL BE THE BROADCASTING PORTFOLIO, IT WILL BE A REAL TOUGH NEGOTIATION. WE ARE GOING TO BE IN FOR THE RIDE. IT HAS BEEN A SIX LONG GRUELLING WEEKS, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHRISTOPHER LUXON, HE HAS CONTINUED TO GROW THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN. HE HAS ROARED THE BALL ACROSS THE LINE ` AT TIMES UGLY RUGBY, BUT HE HAS DONE IT. HE IS NOT STEEPED IN POLITICS. HE WANTS TO BE A CEO - YOU CAN'T BE A PRIME MINISTER AND ACT LIKE A CEO. POLITICS IS ABOUT EMOTION, UNDERSTANDING WHAT PEOPLE WANT, THE MOOD, HOW THINGS ARE GOING. FOR INSTANCE, IF HE CONTINUES TO ACT LIKE I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO NEWSHUB, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. THAT IS THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING A CEO AND A PRIME MINISTER, THE HIGH LEVEL OF SCRUTINY EVERY DAY. WILL HE BE ABLE TO FULLY TRANSITION ALL WE SEE CHRISTOPHER LUXON'S VERSION OF A PRIME MINISTER? I FIND IT OUTRAGEOUS THAT ANYONE WOULD SUGGEST THAT HIS OWN EFFORTS GOT ACROSS THE LINE. HE WAS BANKROLLED BY SOME OF THE RICHEST PEOPLE IN NEW ZEALAND. HIS MEDIA WAS AMAZING, CONTROLLED BY FOREIGN MONEY. HE LOST DEBATES, HE IS NOT A PEOPLE PERSON, HE GOT ACROSS THE LINE BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE WITH A LOT OF MONEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS LEADER OF NEW ZEALAND. WE SAW THAT ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA, WE SAW THE CAMPAIGN, EVEN IF YOU ARE RE-TWEETING AN RNZ STORY. THERE WAS A LOT OF MONEY BEHIND A CAMPAIGN. THEY WOULD NOT FRONT TAMA POTAKA FOR THE HUI. CHRISTOPHER LUXON WOULD NOT FRONT UP AT SOME STAGE HE IS GOING TO NEED TO AND BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT HIS POLICIES. THAT IS SUPER INTERESTING, IT WAS A BIG HOLE DURING THE CAMPAIGN, SPEAKING TO MEDIA OUTLETS AND JOURNALISTS. BECAUSE OF THE POLICIES OF ACT, AND HIS POLICIES, THEY HAVE NOT BROUGHT ABOUT - THEY HAVE A COALITION PARTNER THAT WANTS TO RUN A REFERENDUM ON THE TREATY, THE FOUNDING DOCUMENT OF THIS COUNTRY. THOSE ARE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS TO ANSWER AND IT IS PROBABLY SAFER TO STAY AWAY FROM THEM, BUT YOU CANNOT DO IT FOREVER. YOU HAVE WATCHED DAVID SEYMOUR VERY CLOSELY IN PARTICULAR. THEY HAVE GROWN THEIR VOTE, BUT THEY ARE NOT HITTING THE HEIGHTS THEY CAME IN ON., THEY PUT ON A GOOD SHOW BUT I THINK UNDERNEATH, THEY ARE DISAPPOINTED. THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GO TO TRANSITION TO A MAJOR PARTY, THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE ON TRACK... BUT THAT FROM THE SECOND WEEK OF THE CAMPAIGN, HE DIDN'T STICK TO HIS GAME PLAN. WHY WAS THAT? I DON'T REALLY KNOW, HE SEEMED DISTRACTED FOR SOME REASON. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT, GO BECAUSE HE PLAYED SUCH A GOOD GAME UP UNTIL THIS POINT. ACT TOTALLY SEIZED ON BROOKE VAN VELDEN'S VICTORY IN TAMAKI - WASN'T THAT SOME VICTORY. STUNNING. THE PARTY VOTE WAS 13,000 AHEAD OF ACT. IT WAS AN ABSOLUTELY STUNNING VICTORY. WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT STAY WITH US BECAUSE THAT ACT PARTY LEADER DAVID SEYMOUR WILL BE JOINING US AND WE WILL BE CUTTING TO THE NATIONAL PARTY LEADER CHRISTOPHER THAT WAS THE NIGHT LAST NIGHT AT THE ACT PARTY HEADQUARTERS. WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR CHRISTOPHER LOOKS ON AND THAT PART PRESS CONFERENCE. WE HAVE JUST SEEN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE ACT PARTY CAUCUS LAST NIGHT. NOBODY DID BROOKE VAN VELDEN A DEAL, BUT SHE STILL CAME THROUGH. I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS THERE ` WOMEN LIKE WOMEN CANDIDATES. RESEARCH WITH THE GREENS. RESORT WITH ACT AND THE OTHERS. O'CONNOR CELEBRATED THE ROE VERSUS WADE DECISION, AND THAT ALIENATING HIM FROM A LOT OF FEMALE VOTERS. ABSOLUTELY. I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED WHEN I WAS FLICKING THROUGH THE RESULTS, AND I THOUGHT GOOD ON HER, YOU ARE RIGHT. SHE DIDN'T HAVE A DEAL. YOU TAKE YOUR HAT OFF TO ANYONE WHO HAS DONE THE WORK. I THINK WOMEN ` WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN BEFORE ` AND I THINK ABOUT HANAH, SHE LITERALLY KNOCKED ON EVERY DOOR IN COMMUNITIES. I DON'T THINK IT IS ALL JUST ABOUT WOMEN. IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG MORNING WITH YOU TWO. I THINK THE ELECTORATE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THEY WANT A HARD-WORKING MP, AND THAT IS WHAT WE SAW. THAT IT WILL BE SORE WITH TELEPHONE WELLINGTON CENTRAL, JULIE ANNE GENTER. FAME OUT THERE SAYING THAT THEY WILL WORK FOR YOU. IT IS HELPFUL TO HAVE GOOD TRACK RECORDS. JULIE ANNE GENTER, SHE HAS BEEN PRETTY PRESENT AND AT THEREFORE CAMPAIGNS. I WANT TO SAY HANA CLARK WAS MY STANDOUT LAST NIGHT. I WAS MOVED BY HER, SPEAKING FROM THE HEART. AND I THOUGHT THAT IS WHAT THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS ALL ABOUT. SHE CANNOT HELP BUT BE INVOLVED, SHE WAS BORN INTO IT. HER GRANDFATHER ATTACKED THE STATUE IN HAMILTON SQUARE, HER DAD IS A JOURNALIST, THE WHOLE FAMILY ARE ACTIVISTS. SHE IS ACTUALLY THE EXAMPLE OF THE MAORI PARTY'S CAMPAIGN MOVEMENT, WHICH IS THE YOUNG. THAT IS RIGHT. THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE OF THAT PARTY. I WANT TO PICK UP ON THIS ` BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG STORY FROM LAST NIGHT, BUT WE ARE GOING TO CROSS TO JENNA LYNCH IN CENTRAL AUCKLAND. CHRISTOPHER LUXON HAS JUST ARRIVED HERE IN CENTRAL AUCKLAND. WE ARE AWAITING HIS ARRIVAL. HE IS WEARING AN ALL BLACKS JERSEY, HE SEEMS VERY CHIPPER. OBVIOUS, WE DO NOT KNOW THE FINAL RESULTS OF THE ELECTION YET, BUT ONE THING WE DO KNOW IS THAT CHRISTOPHER LOOKS AND IS GOING TO BE THE NEW PRIME MINISTER. THE WINDS HAVE CHANGED, SWEPT ACROSS THE COUNTRY LIKE A TORNADO. THEY RIPPED THROUGH LABOUR HEARTLAND, FLIPPING SEATS THAT NOBODY THOUGHT WAS LIVABLE. FLIPPABLE* THE KEY THINGS TO WATCH FROM HERE ON OUT ARE THOSE SPECIAL VOTES. AS YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THAT COULD MARKEDLY SHIFT THE NEGOTIATING OF THAT COALITION AGREEMENT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED NEW ZEALAND 1ST TO GET ACROSS THE LINE, AND WHETHER OR NOT CHRISTOPHER LUXON MAKES THE DECISION TO REACH OUT TO WINSTON PETERS EVEN IF HE DOESN'T NEED THEM TO GET TO THOSE 61 OR 62 SEATS. THIS IS VERY EARLY DAYS. NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS ARE GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY INTERESTING, TO SEE HOW CHRISTOPHER LUXON RUNS THESE NEGOTIATIONS. THE NUMBERS THAT CAME IN LAST NIGHT SO HE CAN GET THERE WITH ACT ALONE, BUT WHETHER HE PUTS OUT THAT OLIVE LEAF TO WINSTON PETERS AFTER TELLING THE NATION HE WOULD ONLY CALL HIM IF HE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO, OR WHETHER OR NOT HE JUST BRING HIM INTO ATTEMPT TO GIVE HIM OR THE MAJORITY TO LEAD THE COUNTRY. I AM JUST GOING TO MOVE... I THINK WE MAY HAVE LOST JENNA. OH HE COMES. WE HAVE WOKEN UP AND WE HAVE A NATIONAL LED GOVERNMENT AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ALL BLACKS BACK ON TRACK WHICH IS A FANTASTIC. GREAT START TO THE MORNING. WE HAVE CAUGHT UP WITH ALL OUR CAMPAIGN TEAM AND THEIR PARTNERS. WITH THAT, HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. I TALKED ABOUT ABOUT IT LAST NIGHT ` I WANT TO BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER. I WANT TO BE FOCUSED ON BRINGING OUTCOMES TO NEW ZEALANDERS THAT IMPROVE THEIR DAILY LIVES. I LIKE TO BRING TEAMS TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT I GET THE BEST OUT OF THAT TEAM ` THAT IS MY MODE. WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT WAS THAT THE NEW ZEALAND PEOPLE... HAD A MOOD FOR CHANGE, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY DELIVERED LAST NIGHT. WE NOW HAVE A MANDATE TO FORM A NATIONAL LED GOVERNMENT. I APPRECIATE WINSTON PETERS REMARKS LAST NIGHT FROM HIS OFFER OF HELP. I'M SURE IN DUE COURSE WILL BE IN CONTACT. IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO GET OVER THE LINE WITH ONLY THE ACT PARTY, WOULD YOU LOOK TO BRING WINSTON PETERS ? I WILL LOOK TO BEING A STRATEGY TEAM IN TOGETHER. AS I SAID I, I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF HIS REMARKS AND HIS OFFER TO HELP. HOW MUCH OF A TASK IS IT'S NOW TO BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER, AFTER SUCH A DIVISIVE CAMPAIGN? I THINK THAT IS THE JOB OF THE PRIME MINISTER ` YOU WANT EVERY PREMISE TO TO LEAD THE COUNTRY MORE UNIFIED THAN WHEN THEY CAME TO THE JOB. THAT IS MY ROLE, AND LIKE I SAID LAST NIGHT, I AM VERY SERIOUS ABOUT IT. WE ARE GOING TO BRING NEW ZEALANDERS TOGETHER. WERE YOU SURPRISED BY SOME OF THOSE ELECTORATE FLIPS THAT WENT ON LAST NIGHT ` MOUNT ROSKILL, NEW LYNN? TO BE A MUST, AFTER THE LAST 6 TO 12 MONTHS, WE HAVE BEEN OUT AND ABOUT IN THESE ELECTORATES. WE HAD GREAT GROUND GAME IN TERMS OF A VERY MOTIVATING AND ENTHUSIASTIC VOLUNTEERS. WE HAVE NOT SOMETIMES OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, CHRIS BISHOP, EVERY TUESDAY MORNING HAS LED A CHARGE. WE HAVE VERY FOCUSED ON THAT TASK. I THINK THAT PREPARATION PUT US IN GOOD STEAD, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE BEEN OUT OF WELLINGTON. WITH LISTENING TO THE NEW ZEALAND PEOPLE. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING WAS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM PUNDITS. I SPOKE TO DAVID TWICE YESTERDAY, AND AS I SAID, HE AND I WILL WORK IN A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE WAY. HOW ADVANCED IS THE RELATIONSHIP IN TERMS OF COMMON GROUND AND DISAGREEMENT? IN VERY BROADBRUSH TERMS, DAVID AND I, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS HAVE SPOKEN EVERY COUPLE OF DAYS. I'VE SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE BEEN NEIGHBOURS FOR FOUR YEARS, SO WE NATURALLY DO KNOW EACH OTHER FAIRLY WELL. OUR PARTIES WORK TOGETHER FAIRLY WELL. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT GETTING THE ECONOMY REBUILT, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT RESTORING LAW AND ORDER. WE HAVE NOT STARTED THE PROCESS OF DISCUSSING WHAT POLICIES WE WILL TAKE OFF THE TABLE AND WHAT POLICIES WILL KEEP ON THE TABLE. I HAVE DONE A LOT OF ACQUISITIONS, GETTING THE CHEMISTRY RIGHT IS THE PLATFORM FOR GETTING IT RIGHT. WHAT IS YOUR PLAN IN TERMS OF CONTACTING NEW ZEALAND FIRST AND GOING FORWARD? EVEN IF YOU DON'T NEED THEM AT THIS STAGE? WE'RE GOING TO WORK THAT OUT THIS AFTERNOON. THAT IS WHY WE WILL BRING THE STRATEGY TEAM TOGETHER. I HAVE BEEN CLEAR LAST NIGHT SAYING THAT WE WILL NOT DO THOSE NEGOTIATIONS THROUGH THE MEDIA OR WITH THE MEDIA. I WANT TO RESPECT THE PARTIES INVOLVED. FROM THERE, WE WILL WORK OUR WAY THROUGH TRANSACTION ISSUES. WHAT I WILL SAY THAT I AM GOING TO DIFFERENTLY. I THINK THAT MY APPROACH TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE GOT A STRONG AND STABLE GOVERNMENT THAT IS POSITIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE WILL MEAN THAT I WILL WANT TO DO THAT OUT OF RESPECT TO PARTIES THAT WE ARE INVOLVED WITH AND DO THAT CONFIDENTIALLY. I'VE SAID TO VERY CLEARLY THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC SERVICE TARGETS ACROSS ALL OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE. WE THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT EVERY WORKING IN A COVENANT AGENCY KNOWS WHY THEY ARE THERE AND IS FOCUSED ON IMPROVING THOSE OUTCOMES. WILL BE HOLDING ON SYSTEM ACCOUNT, FOR SURE. THAT WAS CHRISTOPHER LUXON, THE NEW INCOMING PRIME MINISTER. THE MAORI PARTY ALSO HAD A BLINDER. ..MATANGATANGA! HARAMAI KOE, HARAMAI TE ARA O TAINUI, TAINUI... WELL, ACT WASN'T THE ONLY PARTY THAT HAD ITS BEST RESULT EVER ` NGA MIHI NUI KI A KOUTOU, AND MY WIFE AND MY BABIES, ..MATANGATANGA! YOU COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT. HARAMAI KOE, HARAMAI TE ARA O TAINUI, TAINUI... IT'S A HARD LIFE. NGA MIHI NUI KI A KOUTOU, AND MY WIFE AND MY BABIES, WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD WANT TO DO THIS BLOODY JOB? YOU COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT. IT'S A HARD LIFE. DID YOU EVER IMAGINE IN YOUR WILDEST DREAMS THAT YOU COULD PULL THIS OFF? WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD WANT TO DO THIS BLOODY JOB? DID YOU EVER IMAGINE IN YOUR WILDEST DREAMS THAT YOU COULD PULL THIS OFF? UM, NO. NOT AT ALL. HI, A, HI, A! (MAN CALLS IN TE REO MAORI) OTHERS: TE WAKA! YES, WHILE WE MAY HAVE THE SMALLEST OF THE BUDGETS, WE HAVE THE BIGGEST OF THE HEARTS. (KAPA SINGS WAIATA) CO-LEADER RAWIRI WAITITI IS IN ROTORUA. TENA KOE, WHAT A NIGHT! MORENA. IS AN AWESOME NIGHT FOR THE MAORI PARTY, ELATED WITH THE RESULTS. TE IWI MAORI ARE NOW STARTING TO SEE THEIR POLITICAL POWER AS WE HEAD INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR MOVEMENT. MUST TALK ABOUT THOSE RESULTS ` THREE FLIPPED SEATS. WHAT WAS IT ABOUT YOUR CAMPAIGN THAT ACHIEVE THAT? WE HAVE BEEN TARGETING YOUNGER VOTERS. ARE STRATEGY HAS BEEN TO MOBILISE OUR TEENAGE VOTE. MOBILISE AND THAT YOU GIVE THEM THE VOICE, AND LET THEM BE ABLE TO SEE THEMSELVES. IN HANA-RAWHITI MAIPI-CLARKE REPRESENTS THAT COHORT. AND THE MAJORITY OF OUR PEOPLE WHO ARE THAT 70%. OF THE STRATEGY WAS ENSURING THAT OUR PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT A BELIEF IN THEMSELVES IS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE THE PLUS ONE ANY MORE, WE ARE A POWERHOUSE IN OUR OWN POLITICAL RIGHT, AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE STARTING TO BUILD. TAKUTA FERRIS WAS ALSO ANOTHER SURPRISE TAKING TE TAI TONGA, DID YOU SEE THAT COMING? WE WERE AFTER ALL SEVEN SEATS, SO NOTHING WAS OFF THE TABLE. THOSE TWO TOOK TWO HUGE MAORI INSTITUTIONS. ONE BEING THE MAHUTA DYNASTY. THAT SHOWS THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE NOW STARTING TO WAKE UP TO THAT POWER IN TERMS OF VOICE IN PARLIAMENT. ALL OF THE ELECTORATES BY ONE, THEY ARE STARTING TO SEE THAT WE ARE HAVING AN UNAPOLOGETIC AND ON BRIDLED MAORI VOICE IN PARLIAMENT IS CRUCIAL TO OUR DEVELOPMENT. YOU ARE A TREATY CENTRIC PARTY, BUT YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION. HOW IS THAT DYNAMIC GOING TO PLAY OUT IN A PARLIAMENT WITH TAX AND NEW ZEALAND FIRST, WHO CAMPAIGNED AGAINST WHAT YOU STAND FOR? WE ARE A TREATY CENTRIC PARTY, AND OUR MOVEMENT IS ABOUT MAKING SURE WE LEAVE NO ONE BEHIND. I MENTIONED THIS IN A DEBATE, BUT WE HAVE BEEN IN IN OPPOSITION SINCE 1840. EVERYTHING WE HAVE ACHIEVED HAS BEEN OPPOSITION. I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM ALL OUR HARD WORK THAT PEOPLE DON ON THE GROUND AND CREDITED TO PARTIES IN THE PAST. THAT IS AN INSULT TO THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED HARD GROUND. WE HAVE BEEN IN OPPOSITION SINCE 840. 1840* IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE WE ARE, AS LONG AS OUR VOICE, OUR UNAPOLOGETIC VOICE, IS IN THE HOUSE, PROTECTING AND ADVOCATING FOR OUR PEOPLE. INCOMING PRIME MINISTER SAID THAT HE WANTS TO UNITE NEW ZEALAND, WAS IT A DIVISIVE CAMPAIGN, AND CAN HE DO THAT? THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING, ONLY TIME WILL TELL. ON THEIR CAMPAIGN, THE TYPE OF CAMPAIGN THAT THEY RAN, THEY RAN SOME PRETTY EMBOLDENED TYPE OF ACTIVITY` RACIST ACTIVITY, ACTUALLY. WE HAVE SOME OF OUR OWN CANDIDATES HAVING HOME INVASIONS. I AM VERY SCEPTICAL ABOUT HIM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. ALSO THE RHETORIC ABOUT THE TREATY, THEY WANT TO WORK WITH PARTIES WHO WANT TO GET RID OF THE DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEACH PEOPLE* THAT WORRIES ME. RESERVATIONS ON A HUGE RESULT FOR THE MAORI PARTY. CONGRATULATIONS FOR A HUGE RESULT* ACT PARTY DAVID SEYMOUR JOINS US NOW. CONGRATULATIONS, DAVID, DAVID SEYMOUR JOINS US NOW. CONGRATULATIONS. IS IT TOO SOON TO SAY THAT SHE WILL BE ABLE TO FORM THE NEXT GOVERNMENT WITHOUT WINSTON PETERS? IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING PERSONS VOTE COUNTS, AND THERE ARE HALF A MILLION MORE VOTES THAT ARE DUE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T START LOOKING AT THE OUTLINES OF WHAT A NEW GOVERNMENT WILL LOOK LIKE. I EXPECT TO BE TALKING WITH CHRISTOPHER LUXON AND SAY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. CLINICAL PEOPLE HAVE VOTED FOR CHANGE. THINK WE NEED IT. AND WE HAVE HAD A REALLY GOOD SITE WITH THE ALLBLACKS VICTORIOUS, BUT THERE IS A LOT MORE SERIOUS CHANGE THAT NEW ZEALAND NEEDS. YOU HAVE BEEN PUT IN THIS BOX SEAT BY VOTERS ` WHAT IS IT YOU WANT? FOR ACT, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT POLICY, WE CAN'T FIND NATURAL RESOURCES MAGICALLY, THAT WE CAN USE POLICY, PEOPLE'S CREATIVITY. WE HAVE GOT TO STOP GOVERNMENT WASTE AND PUT SOME METRICS ON THE DELIVERY OF SERVICE. EVEN JUST SOMETHING AS RUNNING THE ELECTION - WHILE PURSUING FLOWERY OBJECTIVES, THEY FORGOT TO DO THE BASICS. THAT KIND OF THING IS PERVASIVE THROUGH GOVERNMENT. THE ATTITUDE TO LAW AND ORDER, WE HAVE CRIME AND LAWLESSNESS. AND THE TREATY. DO YOU WANT A REFERENDUM ON THE TREATY OF WAITANGI? LET'S BE CLEAR, I HAVE ALWAYS AVOIDED THAT TERM. WE ARE GOING INTO SOMETHING AKIN TO A MARRIAGE. I THINK SOMEBODY WAS SAYING THAT WINSTON PETERS MIGHT END UP BEING CAMILLA. IN ANY EVENT, I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT WE SAY WILL THESE THINGS ARE WHAT NEW ZEALAND NEEDS AND MAKE THE CASE THAT THEY ARE NEEDED. WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT BOTTOM LINE IS, WE START GETTING INTO HORSERACE POLITICAL COMMENTARY WHICH ISN'T HELPFUL GIVEN THE SIZE OF A CHALLENGE WE NEED TO GET STUCK IN AND FIX. WHAT CAN KIWIS EXPECT - YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING TO CHRISTOPHER LUXON TODAY, HOW SOON WILL THOSE COALITION NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN? I AM SURE IT WILL HAPPEN TODAY, BUT I EXPECT IT WOULD BE A FEW MORE DAYS DOWN THE TRACK. WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SPECIAL VOTES. IS GREATLY PART OF THAT NEW PROCESS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE IS PUT THEIR TRUST IN PUTTING THEIR PARTY VOTE AT, WE NOW NEED TO WORK DOUBLY HARD TO REPAY THAT TRUST. IT HASN'T JUST HAPPENED IN THE LAST SIX WEEKS; IT'S A TWO YEAR-EXERCISE. ENJOY YOUR MEALS. (CHUMBAWAMBA'S 'TUBTHUMPING' PLAYS LOUDLY) SHOUTS: IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, THE PARTY IS STARTING. THEY DON'T CARE THAT THEY'RE NOT IN GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST HAPPY TO BE BACK IN PARLIAMENT! IT IS ABSOLUTELY GOING OFF! THEY'RE NOT LAUGHING NOW, ARE THEY? (LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE) YOU GOT A QUESTION? NO? GREAT. IT'S OVER. MR PETERS! SHANE JONES IS NUMBER TWO ON THE LIST, HE WILL BE BACK IN PARLIAMENT AND JOINS US NOW. KIA ORA. VERY MUCH THE SUBSTITUTE UNTIL THE RANGATIRA ARRIVES. CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING BACK INTO PARLIAMENT, AS THEY SAY, NEVER WRITE WINSTON OFF. HOW DID YOU GET BACK IN? THE ULTIMATE PHOENIX, READ THE MOOD OF THE ELECTORATE, IT'S A DIVIDEND REFLECTIVE OF TWO YEARS OF HARD WORK. YOU'RE LOOKING LITTLE BIT TIRED, IS IT THE HARD WORK OF THE HARD PARTYING? HEY, RE-ESTABLISHING NEW ZEALAND FIRST DESERVED TO BE CELEBRATED WITH QUANTITIES OF DALLY RED WINE AND A CIGAR. WINSTON SAID HE IS HERE TO HELP, IS THAT A CHANGE OF NEGOTIATING ATTITUDE? THE TIME FOR SMACK TALK IS OVER, THE HYPERBOLE OF ELECTIONEERING, AS REFLECTED BY THE MORE SENSIBLE CONTRIBUTION OF DAVID SEYMOUR, AND NOW WE'RE INTO THE HARD GRAFT OF TURNING THE COUNTRY AROUND FOR GARDEN VARIETY KIWIS. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT KIND OF PHONE CALLS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING BETWEEN MR LUXON AND MR PETERS? I WILL HAVE YOU POSE THAT QUESTION TO WINSTON HIMSELF. OBVIOUSLY THE GUYS... APPLAUSE HERE'S THE MAIN MAN, SWITCH OVER. WINSTON PETERS HAS ARRIVED. THERE HE IS. WAITING TO SET UP AND TALK TO THE MEDIA, OVER HE COMES. I THINK REBECCA HAS MAI CHEN... WINSTON IS ALREADY INTO IT ` HE IS A QUICK MOVER. RIGHT OH, WHO HAS THE FIRST QUESTION, AND MAKE SURE IT IS SENSIBLE. IF I HEAR ANYTHING THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS ELECTION ABOUT. ARE YOU WAITING FOR MR LUXON TO CALL YOU? IT IS CLEAR WE WILL NOT KNOW UNTIL 3 NOVEMBER. WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR KEY OBJECTIVES... I NEVER SAW YOU BEFORE THE ELECTION, AND YOU WANT TO KNOW THE DAY AFTER. THIS WILL NOT CUT IN MODERN RESPONSIBLE JOURNALISM. MR LUXON IS OPTIMISTIC HE WILL GO ACROSS THE LINE - WILL YOU ENTERTAIN HIM? FIRST THING WE NEED TO FIND OUT IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, THE FACTS. NO MORE NOT KNOWING THE NUMBERS. THEY WILL BEGIN TO LEARN WHAT MATHEMATICS IS. I THOUGHT IT WAS APPALLING, THE COMMENTARY NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT.. THE OVERHANG CREATED BY THE MAORI PARTY GETTING THOSE SEATS - THAT IS A VERY NARROW CONTEST. WHAT IT DOES, IT BALANCES THOSE THINGS OUT. WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TODAY? TALK TO YOU, AND HOPE I GET A DECENT QUESTION. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO TALK? WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE CHRISTOPHER LUXON WAITING FOR THE WAIKATO BY-ELECTION? I DO NOT THINK THIS WILL BE A MATTER OF CONCERN AFTER 3 NOVEMBER. I WOULD LOVE DESCRIBE MY CAMPAIGN. WE WERE MARGINALISED BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA THE WHOLE WAY AND YOU GUYS HAVE FAILED. WITH THIS BE THE TOUGHEST CAMPAIGN YOU HAVE FOUGHT IN THE LAST YEARS? WE WERE GIVEN NO CHANCE AND IT SHOWED IN OUR LACK OF COVERAGE EVEN ON FRIDAY'S NEWSPAPER, THERE WAS A DECEITFUL ATTACK AND WE SAW ONE. NEW ZEALAND FIRST NEVER HAD A USE BY DATE. WHAT DO YOU LOOK FORWARD TO THE MOST OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS? THIS IS A BUSINESS CALLED DEMOCRACY. MY JOB IS TO CONSULT WITH MY COLLEAGUES, WE HAVE NOT HAD NO CHANCE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER NOT EVEN ME AND SHANE. WHERE THEY DO DECIDE, AND DECIDE WHO WE ARE GOING TO DO IT WITH US. MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT, THEY DID NOT SEE WHAT A CRISIS THIS COUNTRY IS IN. THEY WILL REGRET THAT, THEY WILL WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT THEY DID NOT KNOW. THE PROMISES OF THIS CAMPAIGN WON'T BE WITH CONFETTI. PETERS STILL VERY MUCH IN CAMPAIGN MODE THIS MORNING. AFTER SIX WEEKS OF A GRUELLING ELECTION CAMPAIGN, WE ENTER A NEW AND EXCITING PHASE NOW ` COALITION NEGOTIATIONS. NATIONAL AND ACT WILL BE AT THE TOP TABLE, BUT THERE'S STILL 500,000 SPECIAL VOTES TO BE COUNTED, SO THAT COULD CHANGE THE SCENARIO AND GIVE WINSTON PETERS A PLACE IN THE NEXT GOVERNMENT TOO. CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER MAI CHEN JOINS ME NOW. I DON'T WANT ANY COMPLAINT FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THE PROLONGED NEGOTIATION. THIS IS WHAT NEW ZEALANDERS CHOSE. WHAT DOES THE RESULT MEANS FOR THE PROCESS NOW? IF I WAS THE GOVERNOR GEN, I WOULD WAIT, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WINSTON PETERS IS NOT READY TO NEGOTIATE. WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF COUNTING ALL SPECIAL VOTES, THEY NEED TO BE REPATRIATEDTO THE ELECTORATE, WE NEED TO RECOUNT THEM AND THERE ARE SO MANY SEATS AND JUST ON THE BRINK. WHAT WINSTON PETERS ARE SAYING AS HE IS NOT READY TO TALK UNTIL HE KNOWS WHAT HIS LEVERAGE IS, AND THAT WILL MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT, CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL ALSO NEED TO WAIT. THE KEY ISSUE FOR HIM IS WHEN HE GOES TO THE GOVERNOR GENERAL AND SAYS I AM HERE TO ASK YOU TO APPOINT ME AS PRIME MINISTER SO I CAN FORM A GOVERNMENT AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE THE CONFIDENCE OF PARLIAMENT HE HAS TO BE PRETTY SURE. AND HE MAY NEED WINSTON FOR THAT. THERE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RECALL WITH PORT WAIKATO. THAT IS CORRECT, THAT IS LOOKING LIKE IT WILL GO BLUE, WE MAY SEE A LOT OF NEGOTIATION HAPPENING NOW, BUT IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE FINALISED UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER 3. SO IF I WAS THE GOVERNOR GEN, I WOULD BE WAITING UNTIL THE SITUATION IN CLEAR. THIS IS THE FORMATION OF A GOVERNMENT AND HER DISCRETION UNDER THE RESERVE POWER IS LIMITED. SHE USUALLY ACTS ON THE ADVICE OF MINISTERS, SHE CANNOT ACT ON THE ADVICE OF THE PRIME MINISTER BECAUSE HE NO LONGER HAS THE CONFIDENCE OF PARLIAMENT. IN GENERAL IT IS ONLY WHEN THERE IS A DISSOLUTION OF PARLIAMENT SITUATION WHERE SHE HAS TO GO FURTHER AND SAY IS THIS SUSTAINABLE, IS THIS STABLE? SHE NEEDS TO SEE THAT THERE IS A CLEAR POSSIBILITY OF FOU FORMING A GOVERNMENT. ONLY AT THAT DATE, WILL THERE BE REAL NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON. THERE IS PLENTY TO STILL TO COME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS, IT IS A PROCESS NOT MANY ENGAGE WITH OFTEN. COMING UP ` A POWERFUL RESULT FOR TE PATI MAORI THIS ELECTION. IT WON THREE NEW SEATS BRINGING ITS TOTAL TO FOUR. WE'LL HAVE ANALYSIS WITH DR LARA GREAVES AFTER THE BREAK. WELCOME BACK TO OUR POST-ELECTION SPECIAL. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK NOW AT HOW THE ELECTORATE SEATS FELL LAST NIGHT. AND THE RED TIDE HAS GONE OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THESE ALREADY SEATS LAST NIGHT THESE WERE ALREADY SEATS LAST NIGHT. WITH FORMER LABOUR STRONGHOLDS LIKE MT ROSKILL AND WEST COAT-TASMAN TURNING BLUE. BUT NOT JUST BLUE, ALSO GREEN ` WELLINGTON CENTRAL AND RONGOTAI ARE BOTH NOW GREEN ELECTORATES. IN THE MAORI ELECTORATES, A STUNNING RESULT FOR TE PATI MAORI ` THEY FLIPPED THREE ELECTORATES TAKING TE TAI TONGA, TE TAI HAUAURU AND HAURAKI-WAIKATO FROM LABOUR. AND A MASSIVE UPSET IN HAURAKI-WAIKATO ` HANA-RAWHITI MAIPI-CLARKE ENDED NANAIA MAHUTA'S POLITICAL DYNASTY. THE 21-YEAR-OLD WILL BE OUR YOUNGEST MP IN 170 YEARS. DEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER IS ON HER WAY UP TO AUCKLAND. THERE IS WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY BEFORE SHE HOPPED ON THAT PLANE. WE ARE UP AGAINST POLITICAL LEADERS THAT HAVE CALLED US BOTTOM FEEDERS. THEY HAVE SHOWN THE WORLD THAT THEY DON'T VALUE OUR ROLE AS TENGAH I'M FROM TARANAKI, SO TO BE ABLE TO GROW THE MOVEMENT, THAT IS THE ENDORSEMENT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED. AND WE WILL NEVER TAKE IT FOR GRANTED. WELL, A TREMENDOUS RESULT FROM TE PATI MAORI, FLIPPING THREE MORE SEATS. POLITICAL SCIENTIST DR LARA GREAVES FROM VICTORIA UNIVERSITY IS HERE TO BREAK IT ALL DOWN FOR US, TENA KOE. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE MAORI PARTY? IT WAS QUITE SHOCKING. QUITE THE WIN FOR THEM. SOME OF THOSE SEATS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK WOULD FLIP, IT SHOWS HOW HARD IT IS TO POLL IN THE MAORI ELECTORATE. AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL STICK ON AS WELL, AND WE HAVE THE SPECIALS TOO, AS WELL,* IN THE FINAL COUNT, 33,000 PARTY VOTES FOR THE MAORI PARTY. THERE ARE SOME ARGUMENTS THAT SOME OF THE SPECIAL VOTERS, MOST OF THEM ARE DISORGANISED PEOPLE VOTING OUT OF THEIR ELECTORATES, BUT ONLY 10% ARE OVERSEAS, THOSE DISORGANISED VOTERS LAST TIME, THERE WAS AN ARGUMENT THAT THEY WERE SHOWING UP FOR CANNABIS, BUT ACTUALLY, THAT UNDERMINES THE FACT THAT THE MAORI PARTY DID A GOOD TURNOUT AGAIN, AND REALLY WORTH TRYING ON THAT FLAX ROOTS TYPE KAUPAPA. FIRST OF ALL, DEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER, SHE ROMPED IN, NOT A SURPRISE. NANAIA MAHUTA'S SEAT HAS BEEN HELD SINCE IT WAS FORMED. '96, A THINK. IT HAPPENS IN MAORI POLITICS SOMETIMES THAT SOMEBODY WITH THAT DYNASTIES, THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE SEAT, THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT MATERIAL CHANGE THAT A LOT OF MAORI VOTERS WANT, AND THEN THEY REJECT THEM FOR THE NEW UP AND COMING PERSON. AND THAT IS OF COURSE HANA. SHE IS OUR YOUNGEST MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT. SHE HAS REALLY CAREFUL TO SAY THAT THEY GOT AROUND ALL OF THE RURAL AREAS, ALL OF THE MARAE, BECAUSE SHE CAN'T HAVE JUST ONE ON RANGATAHI ALONE. AND THEN THE UNEXPECTED CUT, TE TAI TONGA ` ANOTHER MASSIVE POLITICAL DYNASTY. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE THERE WERE GREEN MEMBERS STARTING AND NOT. IN PREVIOUS ELECTIONS, IDIOTIC GREENS AND THE MAORI PARTY BOATS, THIS WAS LABOUR. THIS TIME ROUND, IF YOU LOOK AT TAMAKI MAKAURAU AND TE TAI TOKERAU, THEY WERE THE TWO THAT HAD GREEN CANDIDATES, AND THOSE VOTES WOULD HAVE MADE THE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE SEATS. IT DOES SEEM LIKE A LOT OF THOSE GREEN SEATS TAKE AWAY FROM THE MAORI PARTY. THOSE TWO SEATS THAT YOU MENTION, THAT THE LABOUR AT THE MOMENT ARE HANGING ONTO WITH ABOUT 455 VOTES, COULD THEY GO IN THE SPECIALS? YES. IT IS 400 TO 500 VOTES. 2020 WAS A WEIRD ELECTION, THIS ONE IS THE TIDE GOING OUT. IT IS TOO HARD TO CALL AT THE MOMENT. BECAUSE THE MAORI PARTY HAS DONE SO WELL IN THE ELECTORATES, IT CAUSES THIS SEAT OVERHANG IN PARLIAMENT. CAN YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THIS? THE PARTY VOTE FOR THE MAORI PARTY GIVES THEM A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SEATS IN THAT OVERALL PARLIAMENT, BUT THEY HAVE ONE WALL SEATS THAN WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ENTITLED TO ON THE PARTY VOTE. WE ARE WAITING TO SEE IF THOSE TWO NORTH-EAST, TOMMY MCCONNELL AND TE TAI TOKERAU, GO TO THE MAORI PARTY, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE AN OVERHANG. WITH HUNDRED AND 22 SEATS PLUS PORT WAIKATO... WILL BE MAKING SPREADSHEETS. I WANT TO BRIEFLY MENTION MEKA WHAITIRI, SHE LEFT LABOUR AND WENT TO THE MAORI PARTY, BUT SHOULDN'T MAKE IT. THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON THERE. THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THE CYCLONE RECOVERY IN THAT SEAT, PEOPLE FEELING LIKE IT HAS BEEN A LABOUR STRONGHOLD, AND THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE'S PERSONAL VIEWS ABOUT HOW SHE WENT ABOUT THAT CHANGE, AND ALSO, THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE HAD THAT INTERGENERATIONAL SHIFT IN THE MAORI ELECTORATES, SHE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. SO A LOT OF FACTORS THERE THAT WILL BE TALKING OUT IN MAORI POLITICS FOR A WHILE. THE HUGE RESULT FOR THE MAORI PARTY, GIVEN THAT JUST TO ELECTIONS AGO THEY WERE NOT IN PARLIAMENT. THERE DEFTLY MORE ECONOMIC TO LEFT THIS TIME AROUND. ECONOMICALLY LEFT* THE MAORI POPULATION DISILLUSIONED LOOKS LIKE A TRIANGLE. AND TO. THANK YOU* TIME TO BRING OUR PANEL IN. JOINING ME NOW IS RADIO NEW ZEALAND HOST OF MATA MIHI FORBES, NBR SENIOR JOURNALIST DITA DE BONI AND CO-FOUNDER OF newsroom.co.nz MARK JENNINGS. THE MAORI ELECTORATES ARE A BIG STORY, IT WAS A BLOODBATH OUT THERE, WASN'T IT? FOR LABOUR. LOOK, I LOVE LARA, BUT I WOULD CHALLENGE HER ON THAT NANAIA MAHUTA DOES HAVE A LEGACY, THAT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST NANAIA, I THINK PEOPLE VOTED FOR THE NEW MOVEMENT. IF YOU'RE WORKING OUT THERE IN TE AO MAORI, YOU WOULD HAVE NOTICED THE MOVEMENT. IT WAS BIG, STRONG, AND BOLD. THEY HAD A MASSIVE TIKTOK INSTAGRAM CAMPAIGN. I THINK THEY JUST HIT HOME, AND I THINK NEXT ELECTION, THEY WILL BE EVEN BIGGER. THE TRAJECTORY IS INTERESTING. NOW THERE IS A GENERATIONAL SHIFT GOING ON, WHICH COULD BE VERY POWERFUL, WHEN WE TURN UP IN 2026. I COMMEND THE MAORI PARTY. I THINK THEY DID VERY WELL, BUT THEY CAN BE VERY UNAPOLOGETIC ABOUT THINGS LIKE GOVERNANCE. LABOUR HAS A MORE DIFFICULT TASK IN THAT THEY HAVEN'T TO SELL, GOVERNANCE TO NON-MAARI NEW ZEALANDERS. THAT IS A HARDER TASK. I THINK YOU KNOW THEY WERE UNAPOLOGETIC, AND INSULAR, AND PRO THEMSELVES, AS THEY SHOULD BE, THEY DO HAVE TO WORK WITH THE LEFT LOCK, THE LEFT BLOCK* THEY HAVE POSITIONED THEMSELVES IN A WAY THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO. THEY HAVE REALLY LEADING TO ACTIVIST ENERGY TO BOOST THEIR PROFILE, BUT DO THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT NOW? IT IS A DIFFERENT POSITION THEY ARE IN NOW WITH MORE MPS, A DIFFERENT PHASE THAT THEIR PARTY IS ENTERING. YES, IT IS. I THINK WE HAVE SEEN A GENERATIONAL CHANGE, WITH FERRIS AND HANAH, I RESISTING TOUR ON THE RADIO THIS MORNING, SHE HAD A SENSE OF HUMOUR, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PETROL BILL SHE HAD DRIVING AROUND. THERE WAS A FRESHNESS IN HER. IT IS NOW UP TO DEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER AND BOWERY WHITEY TO THINK PEOPLE IN THE MAROI PARTY WOULDN'T SEE THEMSELVES AS ACTIVISTS, ADJUSTED THEMSELVES AS EVERYDAY PEOPLE LIVING AS MAORI. I AGREE THAT THE LEGO PARTY DIDN'T EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE REALLY IMPORTANT KAUPAPA BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN. BUT WE DIDN'T AS JOURNALISTS EITHER. AS A COUNTRY, WHERE ALL THE SOCIAL CHANGES HAPPENING, IT TAKES A BIT OF TIME TO GET AROUND WHAT CAN GOVERNANCE AS. CO-GOVERNANCE IS EVERYTHING WE ARE DOING. IT WAS EXPLAINED POORLY, THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT. THERE IS A BIG BLIND SPOT IN OUR PANEL COVERAGE, WHICH IS LABOUR. THE BIG STORY TODAY IS OF RECEIVER NEW INCOMING GOVERNMENT, BUT HIS SPEECH ` IT WAS VERY HARD TO WATCH. IT WAS VERY HARD. THEY BASICALLY ABANDONED... ALL HOPE WHEN THEY WENT NEGATIVE MID CAMPAIGN. THEY JUST HAD NOTHING. THEIR TRACK RECORD, THEY COULDN'T STAND ON IT. THEY TURNED NEGATIVE ON NATIONAL. THAT WAS A FAILURE. TO SERIOUS REBUILDING JOB TO DO, AND WHO IS GOING TO BE LEADER? THERE IS A LEADERSHIP CRISIS LEARNING, ISN'T THAT? THEY DID NOT GO NEGATIVE. THEY HAD A GOOD TRACK RECORD TO STAND ON. THIS IS JUST A NATIONAL PARTY TALKING POINT. LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE, VOTERS TUNED OUT EARLY. THEIR TRACK RECORD IN GETTING PEOPLE SAFELY THROUGH COVID, THEIR TRACK RECORD OF GIVING BUSINESSES, THEY BORROWED A LOT. IN TERMS OF WHETHER THEY WENT NEGATIVE, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD ANOTHER OPTION, BECAUSE THEY WERE IN DEBATES HE WOULDN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS. WHEN GRANT ROBERTSON AND NICOLA STARTED GETTING AT EACH OTHER, AND STARTED TO SET THE PLATFORM FOR EVERYONE IS TO GO, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS FOR THEM. THERE WAS A LOT OF SUBSTANCE MISSING FROM THIS CAMPAIGN IN GENERAL. WE HAVE TO BREAK RIGHT NOW. AFTER THE BREAK ` LABOUR CAMPAIGN CHAIR MEGAN WOODS ON WHAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS A DISASTROUS RESULT FOR HER PARTY THIS ELECTION. WAIHAPE MAI TO OUR POST-ELECTION SPECIAL. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OUR NEW POLITICAL LANDSCAPE. CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL BE THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND, WITH NATIONAL SECURING 38.9% OF THE PARTY VOTE. ALONGSIDE HIM WILL BE DAVID SEYMOUR, POTENTIALLY AS DEPUTY PM ` THE ACT PARTY GROWING ITS VOTE TO 8.9% AND PICKING UP ANOTHER ELECTORATE SEAT. WINSTON PETERS IS BACK IN PARLIAMENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN GOVERNMENT, AFTER NEW ZEALAND FIRST PICKED UP 6.4% OF THE VOTE. AS IT STANDS THIS MORNING, ACT AND NATIONAL COULD FORM A GOVERNMENT ALONE, BUT WITH THE SLIMMEST OF MAJORITIES - SO CHRISTOPHER LUXON MAY STILL NEED TO PICK UP THE PHONE TO A CONCILIATORY WINSTON PETERS. ON THE LEFT - A BLOODBATH, REALLY. LABOUR'S HISTORIC 2020 MAJORITY DECIMATED ` THEIR VOTE BLEEDING TO BOTH NEW ZEALAND FIRST AND THE GREENS, WHO ENDED THE NIGHT WITH 10.7% - AND TWO MORE ELECTORATE SEATS. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER BIG STORY LAST NIGHT ` TE PATI MAORI, WHICH FLIPPED THREE OF THE SEVEN MAORI SEATS, BRINGING ITS TOTAL TO FOUR, AND TOOK 2.6% OF THE VOTE. SO THIS IS HOW IT ALL TRANSLATES INTO SEATS IN PARLIAMENT ` NATIONAL TAKES THE GOVERNMENT BENCHES WITH 50 SEATS, ACT'S 11 GETS THAT CENTRE-RIGHT COALITION TO 61. JUST ENOUGH TO GOVERN. IT WAS A BITTERSWEET NIGHT FOR THE GREEN PARTY - THEY ARE NOW IN OPPOSITION, JAMES SHAW LOSES THE CLIMATE PORTFOLIO AND THE INFLUENCE THAT THEY HAVE HAD. LAURA WALTERS IS IN WELLINGTON WITH NEW GREEN MP TAMATHA PAUL. YES A SPICY RESULT FOR WELLINGTON CENTRAL - GOT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS GRANT ROBERTSON SEAT AND A LABOUR STRONGHOLD. GREENS MANAGED TO FLIP IT AND TURN IT GREEN. TAMATHA PAUL, CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU, I FEEL REALLY OVERWHELMED FOR THE PEOPLE OF WELLINGTON BELIEVING IN ME. THIS IS NOT A TIGHT WIN, THIS IS A CONVINCING WIN. YOU HAVE THE SEAT WITH 3000 VOTES IN HAND ` WHAT WAS IT THAT DROVE PEOPLE FROM LABOUR TO THE GREEN PARTY? I THINK HERE, WE RAN THE BIGGEST GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGN EVER IN AOTEAROA WE TOOK NOTHING FOR GRANTED. THE RESULTS HERE AND IN AUCKLAND CENTRAL AND RONGOTAI ARE A REAL SIGN THAT PEOPLE WANT A WEALTH TAX, THEY WANT OLD CLIMATE ACTION, THEY WANT THE LEGACY PARTIES TO BE MORE PROGRESSIVE. WE DO HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. THIS MUST BE BITTERSWEET, YOU WILL STILL BE SITTING IN OPPOSITION. REALISTICALLY, HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE CAN YOU MAKE ON ISSUES LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE? EVEN WHEN THE LABOUR GOVERNMENT WAS AND HOW WE CONTINUE TO BE RELENTLESS ADVOCATES - WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN. WE WILL HAVE TO WORK A LOT HARDER WITH A NATIONAL PARTY BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THEY VALUE, BUT WE HAD OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US, BUT WITH THE MOST GREEN MPS IN PARLIAMENT EVER, WE ARE GOING TO BE STRONGER, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP OR TAKE ANYTHING LAYING DOWN. I AM GOING TO BE A HEARTY ADVOCATE FOR THINGS WE NEED. THANK YOU LAURA, WITH THE NEW GREEN MP FOR WELLINGTON CENTRAL. WELCOME BACK. THE MESSAGE TO LABOUR COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLEARER LAST NIGHT. IT WAS A BLUE-NAMI, A STUNNING RESULT FOR CHRISTOPHER LUXON. LET'S SEE SOME OF THE LOW LIGHTS OF THE NIGHT. HAVE YOU CALLED MR LUXON? IS THIS WORSE THAN EXPECTED? HAVE YOU CONCEDED, CHRIS? HAVE YOU CONCEDED? I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY DISAPPOINTING TO SEE THE LABOUR PARTY POLLING AS IT IS SO FAR. IT'S EARLY DAYS. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A TOUGH NIGHT. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) CROWD CHANTS: CHIPPY! CHIPPY! CHIPPY! CHIPPY! CHIPPY! WE HAVE A NEW JOB AHEAD NOW ` TO REGROUP AND TO REBUILD AND TO COME BACK FIGHTING STRONGER THAN EVER. THANKS VERY MUCH. (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) REALLY EMOTIONAL CHRIS HIPKINS THERE. MEGAN WOODS WAS LABOUR'S CAMPAIGN CHAIR. SHE HAS THE UNENVIABLE JOB OF TALKING FOR THE PARTY. IT WAS A GRIM CHRIS HIPKINS WHO GAVE THAT CONCESSION SPEECH. IT WAS A VERY HARD ONE TO WATCH, HE LOOKED A BIT BROKEN. THIS IS NOT A RESULT, LET ALONE CHRIS, EITHER HOPED FOR OR WANTED. YOU SAW THE EMOTION THAT HE PUT INTO THE CAMPAIGN. I THINK ANYONE WHO IS LEADER WHO HAS A NIGHT LIKE LAST NIGHT IS ENTITLED TO A BIT OF EMOTION. IS COMPLETELY NATURAL, BUT GIVEN THE RESULT, AS LEADER, IT FALLS ON HIM, THIS LOSS? IT FALLS ON ALL OF US AS A TEAM AND WHAT WE WILL BE DOING AS A PARTY, WE WILL GO THROUGH AND DO A REVIEW. WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES SOME QUESTIONS AND LOOK AT WHAT WENT WELL AND WHAT DIDN'T GO WELL. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, BUT I THINK WE WERE AGAINST A VERY STRONG NEED FOR CHANGE AND THAT WAS A THING THAT CAME THROUGH ON THE NIGHT. I AM INTERESTED IN THAT, BECAUSE UNDERNEATH THAT IS A DISSATISFACTION WITH THE GOVERNMENT. WHEN YOU THINK YOU LOST PEOPLE? I AM FAR FROM MAKING EXCUSES FOR US, BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN GLOBALLY FOR INCUMBENT GOVERNMENTS THAT WERE THERE DURING COVID, THERE IS A DIFFICULT PATH FOR THEM DURING THE ELECTION. PEOPLE ARE FINDING IT TOUGH AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. WE CAME OUT OF A PANDEMIC INTO A COST OF LIVING CRISIS THAT THE WORLD HAD NOT SEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. PEOPLE ARE FINDING IT DIFFICULT AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE FELT VERY STRONGLY ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. IT LOOKED LIKE LABOUR HAD LOST TOUCH TOUCH, THAT IT WAS NOT CONNECTING WITH VOTERS. YOU MUST HAVE FELT THAT AS WELL AS CAMPAIGN CHAIR IT IS FAR TOO EARLY TO MAKE THOSE CALLS ` WE WILL LOOK AT THAT. WE HAD DONE MORE DOOR KNOCKS AND PHONE CALLS THAN ANY OTHER CAMPAIGN. IT HAS BEEN A GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGN. WE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WE WILL GO BACK AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS BUT I DO WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEERS WHO HAS BEEN OUT THERE PUTTING THEIR HEART AND SOUL INTO THIS CAMPAIGN, KNOCKING ON DOORS AND THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT MPS, THIS IS ABOUT VOLUNTEERS - ELECTIONS ARE BIG AND EMOTIONAL EVENTS FOR THEM AS WELL. WHAT IS YOUR FEELING ABOUT THOSE SAFE LABOUR SEATS? WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND FULLY DIGEST ALL THE NUMBERS. FIRST BLUSH, THE VERY DIFFICULT TIMES THAT AUCKLAND HAS BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ARE REFLECTED IN SOME OF THE RESULTS THAT WE SEE ON THE NIGHT. WE WILL LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON TURNOUT - IS NOT ONLY THE VOTES THAT WERE CAST, BUT THE ONES THAT WENT. THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF FOR US TO LOOK AT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE RESULT. WE KNOW THE TOP LEVEL, BUT THERE IS SOME UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED TO GET FROM DIGGING DEEPER INTO THOSE NUMBERS. AND THE MAORI SEATS AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. WE DO THIS AFTER EVERY ELECTION AND I THINK EVERY PARTY DOES THIS AFTER EVERY CAMPAIGN. CERTAINLY, WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, WE NEED TO REGROUP AND PICK OURSELVES UP AND GETTING ON WITH THE JOB OF HOLDING THE GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT. IT MUST BE QUITE A FLIP FOR YOU IN YOUR STATE OF MIND TO TALK ABOUT BEING IN THE OPPOSITION. WHAT IS THE FEELING LIKE AMONGST THE CAUCUS AND THE PARTY? I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO EVERYONE. THAT WILL BE HAPPENING IN THE NEXT DAY ALSO, GETTING TOGETHER WITH A TEAM. I HAVE BEEN IN PARLIAMENT FOR 12 YEARS, SIX IN OPPOSITION AND SIX IN GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US HERE. WE'RE BACK NOW WITH OUR PANEL. MEGAN WOODS, USING THE ARGUMENT THAT GLOBALLY, INCUMBENT GOVERNMENTS HAVE HAD A HARD TIME BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND COST OF LIVING- DO WE BUY THAT? SORT OF. I THINK THERE ARE MUCH DEEPER PROBLEMS FOR LABOUR. I THINK THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT CONNECT WITH THE ELECTORATE IS RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD CALL IT A BLUE-NAMI, NATIONAL ONLY ENDED UP WITH 39%. IT MADE IT OVER THE THRESHOLD OF THE DOOR. MY CHILDREN GO TO MT ROSKILL GRAMMAR - I WOULD SAY THERE IS A MOOD FOR CHANGE, THEY TOOK THE MANDATE AND STARTED A WHOLE LOT OF TRANSFORMATIONAL THINGS THAT THEY COULD NOT DELIVER ON. THERE IS A CHANGE IN THAT CONSTITUENCY AND IT IS THE BIBLE BELT OF AUCKLAND, AND MICHAEL WOOD DID THAT THING WITH HIS SHARES. I'M NOT SURPRISED. TAMATI COFFEY IS GONE AS WELL - SOME BIG NAMES. THAT QUESTION AROUND THE MAORI SEATS ` HISTORICALLY THEY HAVE BEEN LEFT VOTERS BUT THEY WILL HOLD LABOUR TO ACCOUNT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOUSING, MAORI WE ARE SLIPPING UNDER THAT REGIME. SO THEY JUST DID NOT DELIVER? THEY WERE TARGETING UNIVERSAL, RATHER THAN MAORI OUTCOMES. I THINK ONE OF THE IRONIES AS YOU NOW HAVE TE PATI MAORI AND THE UNAPOLOGETIC MAORI, RAWIRI WAITITI, IS GOING TO PAST A WHOLE LOT OF LEVERAGE OVER TO THE OTHER MARTY IN PARLIAMENT, WINSTON PETERS. AND THE MAORI HEALTH AUTHORITY IS GOING TO BE GET RID OF - WHICH WAS A TARGETED PROJECT TO RAISE MAORI HEALTH. THE TURNOUT IN SOUTH AUCKLAND WAS WAY DOWN, THEY JUST DID NOT MOTIVATE THE BASE. DOWN 4%. AGAINST THAT, THE GREENS REALLY WORKED HARD AND TURNED OUT THEIR VOTE. NATIONAL GOT THEIR VOTE OUT AGAIN. AGAIN, THE MUCH VAUNTED LABOUR MACHINE MAY HAVE FAILED AND MEGAN WOODS ALLUDED TO THAT LITTLE BIT. THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT FOR LABOUR. SO WHO IS GOING TO CARRY ON? WE TALKED ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL CHRIS HIPKINS LAST NIGHT. THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN. HOW LONG DO YOU GET IN? IT IS PRETTY BRUTAL TO SAY THAT. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO - HE IS A BIT OF A DIFFERENT LEADER, MORE OF A TEAM PLAYER. HE MIGHT HANG AROUND AND HELP REBUILD, BUT IT IS PRETTY TOUGH IN OPPOSITION WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN PRIME MINISTER. HE WILL BE GUTTED, HE IS GUTTED YOU CAN SEE IT. HE DID THE BEST WITH WHAT HE HAD, AND HE HAS A GOOD MAN, AND IT CAME ACROSS IN THE SPEECH LAST NIGHT. PROGRESSIVE VOTERS LIKE WOMEN, THERE ARE UP-AND-COMING CANDIDATES ` LABOUR NEED TO LOOK LIKE WHAT THEY DID WITH JACINDA ARDERN, LOOK A LITTLE BIT LATERALLY. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ARAWA WILLIAMS... BARBARA EDMONDS IS OUT, I THINK. HELEN CLARK WAS VERY UNPOPULAR AT ONE POINT. KIERAN MCANULTY HAS LOST THE WAIRARAPA - BUT HE IS ON THE LIST AND IS PROBABLY BACK. HE IS SAYING I DON'T WANT IT, IT WILL THERE BE A LEADERSHIP TRANSITION PROBLEM HERE? I THINK STEP DOWN THIS AFTERNOON.CHRIS HIPKINS SHOULD PROPERLY STEP DOWN. I CAN'T SEE HIM SAYING. KIERAN MCANULTY DOES HAVE LEADERSHIP POTENTIAL� ALTHOUGH HE DID TAKE A BIT OF A PUNCH OF THE NOSE In HIS ELECTORATE. WHERE ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK, IF CHRIS HIPKINS COMES OUT SAYS I CAN'T DO IT. I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES. FOR LABOUR, THEY LOST FIVE PEOPLE IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, VERY HIGH PROFILE WHO KNEW A LOT ABOUT PARLIAMENT AND PORTFOLIOS AND THAT SORT OF THINGS. I THINK ALL PARTIES NEED TO LOOK AT SUCCESSION PLANNING. WILLIAMS IS A STANDOUT BUT NOT ENOUGH EXPERIENCE JUST YET. THEY LOST EVERYONE IN THE MAORI SEATS APART FROM CUSHLA. WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. SHAMUBEEL EAQUB AFTER THE BREAK. PICKING UP TWO NEW SEATS, WELLINGTON CENTRAL AND RONGOTAI, WAIHAPE MAI. THE GREEN PARTY CELEBRATED WILDLY LAST NIGHT, PICKING UP TWO NEW SEATS, WELLINGTON CENTRAL AND RONGOTAI, AND KEEPING AUCKLAND CENTRAL. BUT THE BRUTAL FACT IS THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION. CO-LEADER MARAMA DAVIDSON JOINS ME NOW. TENA KOE. CONGRATULATIONS ON PICKING UP NEW ELECTORATES. AND HOLDING AN ELECTORATE. THAT IS THE CELEBRATION. AND INCREASING OUR SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY IN A BLUE WAVE, INCREASING OUR SUPPORT IN THAT CONTEXT, WHICH IS REALLY HARD TO DO. THE PARTIES TO. PRACTICALLY, FOR THE GREEN PARTY, HAVING THREE ELECTRICS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF YOUR CAPABILITY FOR REPRESENTING PEOPLE? IT IS THE COMMITTEE GRASSROOTS MOVEMENT THAT HELPS US MAINTAIN THE SUPPORT IN A REALLY DIFFICULT CONTEXT. WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO CHANGE, I AM PLEASED THAT THE GREENS WANTED TO PENETRATE AND INSPIRE ENOUGH COMMUNITY VOICES TO ONES THAT CHANGE TO INCREASE OUR PARTY VOTE. IT IS THE COMMUNITY MOVEMENT THAT THOSE ELECTORATE WINS WERE BUILT ON. THAT IS WHERE OUR STRENGTH IS. LET'S LOOK AT WELLINGTON CENTRAL, TAMATHA PAUL REALLY GOT UP. 12,000 VOTES. SHE WAS A HIGH-PROFILE CANDIDATE AND EXPECTED TO DO WELL, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT JULIE ANNE GENTER IN RONGOTAI, IS THAT THE SURPRISE ONE FOR YOU? WE KNEW THAT SHE WAS CAPABLE OF WINNING IT, BUT WE ALSO KNEW THAT THE GRASSROOTS WAS THE STRENGTH AND THE POSSIBILITY FOR THOSE ELECTORATES. THAT'S GREAT PARTY VOTE DIDN'T REACH THE HEIGHT OF PEOPLE EXPECTED. ONLY IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS TO BE STARTED SEE SOME OF THOSE SUPERHIGH POLES, AND I REALLY RACKED WITH THOSE. IT MEANS THAT WE HAVE GOT SOMETHING TO OFFER. AND PEOPLE SAW THAT. THOSE POLLS DIDN'T TRANSLATE. WE NEVER REST ON ONE OR TWO BALLS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE ACROSS THE WHOLE TERM, WHERE WE ON SATURDAY NIGHT WAS NOT TOO FAR BELOW THE AVERAGE OF AROUND 1211. 12 THE FACT THAT WEEK 12OR 11* THE FACT THAT WE MANAGED TO INCREASE OUR SUPPORT, WE HAVE GONE FROM 7.7% IN 2020, SUPPOR WE HAVE GONE FROM 7.7% IN 2022 NOW NEARLY 11%. THERE WAS A LOT OF CELEBRATING LAST NIGHT, BUT YOU WILL NOT BE IN GOVERNMENT, SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANY SWAY. THAT HAS TO BE DISAPPOINTING. WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CLEAR ` THE GRASSROOTS WORK HAS SWAY. WE MUST RATING BECAUSE EVEN BEFORE THE RESULTS, WE HAD A CAMPAIGN TO BE PROUD OF, AND I SAID THAT REALLY CLEARLY. IT IS NOT A COMPLETE SHOCK THAT WE ARE NOT IN GOVERNMENT ` THAT WAS ON THE CARDS. GREENS HAVE NEVER BEEN RELIANT ON JUST CABINET POWER ALONE. TO QUICK THINGS BEFORE WE LEAVE ` CLIMATE CHANGE. THE GREEN PARTY HAS TO BE GUTTED ABOUT JAMES SHAW BEING THE DRIVER OF THE POLICY. HE HAS PUT ON ENOUGH ROUTES THAT THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO HOLD THIS GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT. IT IS VITAL THAT WE HOLD THIS GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT FOR CLIMATE ACTION, BUT HE HAS PUT DOWN ENOUGH ROUTES IN SIX YEARS TO HAVE BUILT UP A FUNDAMENTAL PLATFORM. JAMES SHAW IS ON THE LIST ` WILL HE STAY? THAT IS HIS QUESTION. AS YOU SAY, HE HAS PUT DOWN THE ROOTS` AGAIN, I WILL LET HIM ANSWER. OUR NEW GOVERNMENT WANTS TO SLASH SPENDING ` AND FOREIGN BUYERS ARE BACK. SHAMUBEEL EAQUB AFTER THE BREAK WELCOME BACK. LET'S RECAP HOW ELECTION NIGHT PLAYED OUT CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL BE THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND, WELL, NATIONAL AND ACT PROMISE TO SLASH GOVERNMENT SPENDING, CUT TAXES ` AND FOREIGN BUYERS ARE BACK. WHAT WILL IT MEAN FOR YOUR HOUSE, YOUR FINANCES? ECONOMIST SHAMUBEEL EAUQAB JOINS ME NOW, MORENA. HAS BEEN AN ABSENCE OF THE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES IN THE ECONOMY FROM BOTH PARTIES. PEOPLE READ ABOUT THE COST OF LIVING. IT AS BEING SHORT-TERM FOCUSED. WHAT HAS BEEN THE ECONOMIC SITUATION THAT THE NEW COVENANT INHERITS? IT IS A MIXED BAG. CONSUMER CONFIDENCE AND BUSINESS CONFIDENCE IS LOW, BUT THE ECONOMY IS STILL CHUGGING ON. WE HAVE GOT MORE JOBS AND MORE BUSINESSES ARE BEING STARTED, TO FEEL LIKE WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF A SLOWDOWN, BUT NOT YET. THEY ARE INHERITING BIG, DARK CLOUDS, BUT STARTING FROM A GOOD POSITION WITH LOW EMPLOYMENT, OR WONDERING WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. WITH VOTERS PERSONAL SITUATIONS, WE ARE STILL SUFFERING WITH HIGH INFLATION WAITS, BUT THE JOB MARKET IS PRETTY SECURE. SPENDING HAS, UP A LITTLE BIT, PEOPLE STILL HAVE JOBS, AND WAGES ARE INCREASING. PEOPLE ARE HOPING THAT THEY WILL GET THIS RELIEF BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT. THE COST OF LIVING IS AFFECTED BY WHAT IS HAPPENING GLOBALLY. THE RESERVE BANK IS GOING TO KEEP INTEREST RATES HIGH, WHICH MEANS WE WILL BE HURTING FOR A LOT LONGER. WHAT YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN WITH THE RESERVE BANK? I WOULD EXPECT NICOLA TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE WITH WORKING WITH THE RESERVE BANK. WE WANT THE RESERVE BANK TO BE INDEPENDENT AND STRONG, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO RUN INDEPENDENT CREDIBLE MONETARY POLICY. I EXPECT THE RESERVE BANK WILL MAINTAIN INTEREST RATES WHERE THEY ARE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CONFIDENT THAT INFLATION TO COME OFF. WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSING MARKET? IT IS A TWOFOLD THING. ON THE INTEREST RATES SIDE, IT IS EXPENSIVE, SO IT WILL BE HARD TO BORROW MONEY. THE OTHER SIDE, WE WILL EXPECT WITH A CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN DEMAND AT THE MARGIN, BOTH FROM THE REDUCTION OF THE PRESSURES OF INVESTORS AND ALSO OF THE RETURN OF FOREIGN BUYERS, BUT ALSO THE NATIONAL PARTY MOVING AWAY FROM SOME OF THE HOUSING SUPPLY RULES MEANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING LESS HOUSES, SO WE WILL POLICY HOUSE PRICES GOING UP. WHAT ABOUT MIGRATION? THIS GOVERNMENT INHERITS RECORD MIGRATION. IT IS GREAT THAT WE CAN FILL VACANCIES AND VIACOM LOOKS GOOD, BUT THE FACT IS WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH ROADS, HOUSES, DOCTORS, NURSES. IT IS A HEADACHE FOR GOVERNANCE, AND MIGRATION IS NOISE A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE LOSING MANY NEW ZEALANDERS. NEW ZEALANDERS ARE VOTING WITH FEET AND SAYING THINGS ARE BETTER ELSEWHERE. NATIONAL HAS CAMPAIGNED ON TAX CUTS AND FOREIGN BUYS TAX PLAN, WHAT IMPACT DO YOU THINK WE WILL SEE IN THE ECONOMY FROM THESE POLICIES? IT IS THE IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED VERSUS THE AFFECT OF THE COMMUNAL. THE EFFECT OF THE ECONOMY ON THE WHOLE* SOME PEOPLE WILL BE BETTER OFF, SOME PEOPLE URL ESTATE FRIENDS WILL BE FEELING QUITE CHIPPER THIS MORNING. WE HAVE THREE LEVELS OF DRIVING, ONE IS MONETARY POLICY; FISCAL POLICY ` THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL MONEY IN THE POT ECONOMY. IT WILL BE AROUND THE SOCIAL POLICY, IS THERE A BIG NET EFFECT? AND THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME? WE ALSO HAVEN'T HAD A SUBSTANTIVE TALK ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT COMPETITION OR DEMOGRAPHICS OR PRODUCTIVITY, SO WE CAN THROW THOSE LINES OUT OF BIG THINGS, BUT WHEN YOU ARE IN PARLIAMENT, IT IS NATURALLY REALLY HARD TO DO. HAPPY TIMES OF RECENT GOVERNMENTS AND OPPOSITION SAY THAT WAS A TERRIBLE WEEK FOR PRODUCTIVITY, AND THEN ONCE THEY ARE IN POWER, THEY STOP TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT IS REALLY HARD. THIS IS AN ONGOING PROVINCE IN SUCCESSIVE GOVERNMENTS, THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM FOR SUCCESSIVE GOVERNMENTS* WHAT WE HEARD FROM DAVID, BEGAN TO HAVE TARGETS FOR PUBLIC SERVICES, THAT IS FINE, BUT HOW YOU GOING TO DRIVE THE ENGINE FROM THE NEW ZEALAND ECONOMY. IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, KNEW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DEMO GRAPHICS OR AN AGEING PUBLISHER, OR CLIMATE CHANGE. WE HAVE HAD TWO BIG MAJOR EVENTS. IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE TO HAVE AD HOC POLICIES. WE STILL SEEM TO BE REACTING TO THESE CLIMATE EMERGENCIES LIKE THEY ARE ONE OFF EVENTS, BUT THEY ARE NOT. IT IS NOT REALISTIC FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO BE OUR BACKUP INSURANCE FOR EVERY HOUSE IN NEW ZEALAND THAT IS AT RISK. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FISCAL HEADROOM. EVERY TIME THERE IS A CRISIS, WE BORROW MONEY. YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING IT. AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU RUN OUT OF ROOM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE PUBLISHING IS AGEING AND THE MAJORITY OF THE TAXES ARE PAID BY YOUNG PEOPLE. WE KNOW THAT INSURANCE IS GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE, SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? WE NEED TO BE MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE AND IN FRONT OF IT. THIS CURRENT IS GOING TO INHERITS A MIXED BAG OF AN ECONOMY. THAT ITALY DOES THAT I WANT TO SEE THEN FOCUSING ON OUR THE RED HERRING THAT IS THE FISCAL POLICY. STRUCTURAL POLICIES ARE WHERE THEIR BIG JOBS ARE. WANT TO SEE WHAT THEIR PLAN IS. WELL, THAT IS ALL FROM US FOR NOW. THANKS FORC JOINING US. WELL, THAT IS ALL FROM US FOR NOW. THANKS FOR JOINING US. THAT'S OVER AND OUT FROM THE 2023 GENERAL ELECTION. (JAY Z'S 'SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT') # LET'S GO GET 'EM! # HEY. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, LIL' MAMA. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, PRETTY LADY. (MUSIC CONTINUES) (MUSIC CONTINUES) # OK, SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, BABY. (MUSIC CONTINUES) # HEY, HEY. # HEY, HEY. # HEY, HEY. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, LIL' MAMA. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, PRETTY LADY. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, SHORTY. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, BABY. # AND WAVES AND WAVES # AND WAVES. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, LIL' MAMA. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, PRETTY LADY. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, SHORTY. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, BABY. # AND WAVES AND WAVES # AND WAVES. (MUSIC CONTINUES) (MUSIC CONTINUES) (MUSIC CONTINUES) (MUSIC CONTINUES) (MUSIC CONTINUES) # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, LIL' MAMA. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, PRETTY LADY. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, SHORTY. # SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, BABY. CAPTIONS BY TOM CLARKE AND LENA ERAKOVICH.