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INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Almighty INTERPRETER: Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King we acknowledge the King and we acknowledge the King and pray we acknowledge the King and pray for we acknowledge the King and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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Parties by majority deem that the Office of the Commissioner that the Office of the Commissioner for that the Office of the Commissioner for Standards that the Office of the Commissioner for Standards should that the Office of the Commissioner for Standards should be that the Office of the Commissioner for Standards should be established for Standards should be established and for Standards should be established and that for Standards should be established and that it for Standards should be established and that it was for Standards should be established and that it was necessary. for Standards should be established and that it was necessary. Despite and that it was necessary. Despite the and that it was necessary. Despite the views and that it was necessary. Despite the views of and that it was necessary. Despite the views of some, and that it was necessary. Despite the views of some, the and that it was necessary. Despite the views of some, the Speaker and that it was necessary. 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(INTERJECTIONS) (INTERJECTIONS) Supplementary. (INTERJECTIONS) Supplementary. What (INTERJECTIONS) Supplementary. What initiatives (INTERJECTIONS) Supplementary. What initiatives has Supplementary. What initiatives has the Supplementary. What initiatives has the Minister Supplementary. What initiatives has the Minister announced Supplementary. What initiatives has the Minister announced to Supplementary. What initiatives has the Minister announced to improve the Minister announced to improve the the Minister announced to improve the quality the Minister announced to improve the quality of the Minister announced to improve the quality of regulation the Minister announced to improve the quality of regulation in the Minister announced to improve the quality of regulation in early the quality of regulation in early childhood the quality of regulation in early childhood education? the quality of regulation in early childhood education? 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Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: What Finance: What is Finance: What is the Finance: What is the operating What is the operating allowance What is the operating allowance for What is the operating allowance for Budget What is the operating allowance for Budget 2025? 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The operating announcement for the next budget, Budget 2025, underway. The operating announcement for the next budget, Budget 2025, is for the next budget, Budget 2025, is $2.4 for the next budget, Budget 2025, is $2.4 billion. for the next budget, Budget 2025, is $2.4 billion. To for the next budget, Budget 2025, is $2.4 billion. To be for the next budget, Budget 2025, is $2.4 billion. To be clear, for the next budget, Budget 2025, is $2.4 billion. To be clear, that for the next budget, Budget 2025, is $2.4 billion. To be clear, that is $2.4 billion. To be clear, that is 2.4 $2.4 billion. To be clear, that is 2.4 billion $2.4 billion. To be clear, that is 2.4 billion per $2.4 billion. To be clear, that is 2.4 billion per year $2.4 billion. To be clear, that is 2.4 billion per year of $2.4 billion. To be clear, that is 2.4 billion per year of additional 2.4 billion per year of additional net 2.4 billion per year of additional net spending 2.4 billion per year of additional net spending - 2.4 billion per year of additional net spending - or 2.4 billion per year of additional net spending - or revenue 2.4 billion per year of additional net spending - or revenue reduction. net spending - or revenue reduction. On net spending - or revenue reduction. On average, net spending - or revenue reduction. On average, across net spending - or revenue reduction. On average, across the net spending - or revenue reduction. 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In fact, it is the lowest operating allowance since lowest operating allowance since Steven lowest operating allowance since Steven Joyce's lowest operating allowance since Steven Joyce's budget lowest operating allowance since Steven Joyce's budget in lowest operating allowance since Steven Joyce's budget in 2017. lowest operating allowance since Steven Joyce's budget in 2017. The Steven Joyce's budget in 2017. The Government Steven Joyce's budget in 2017. The Government is Steven Joyce's budget in 2017. The Government is committed Steven Joyce's budget in 2017. 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How much has been precommitted against much has been precommitted against the much has been precommitted against the Budget much has been precommitted against the Budget 2025 much has been precommitted against the Budget 2025 allowance? much has been precommitted against the Budget 2025 allowance? Mr the Budget 2025 allowance? Mr Speaker, the Budget 2025 allowance? Mr Speaker, the the Budget 2025 allowance? Mr Speaker, the Government the Budget 2025 allowance? Mr Speaker, the Government has Speaker, the Government has precommitted Speaker, the Government has precommitted 1.37 Speaker, the Government has precommitted 1.37 billion Speaker, the Government has precommitted 1.37 billion per Speaker, the Government has precommitted 1.37 billion per annum precommitted 1.37 billion per annum against precommitted 1.37 billion per annum against the precommitted 1.37 billion per annum against the budget precommitted 1.37 billion per annum against the budget 2025 precommitted 1.37 billion per annum against the budget 2025 allowance precommitted 1.37 billion per annum against the budget 2025 allowance to against the budget 2025 allowance to meet against the budget 2025 allowance to meet forecast against the budget 2025 allowance to meet forecast demographic, against the budget 2025 allowance to meet forecast demographic, volume meet forecast demographic, volume and meet forecast demographic, volume and price meet forecast demographic, volume and price pressures meet forecast demographic, volume and price pressures for meet forecast demographic, volume and price pressures for front-line and price pressures for front-line health and price pressures for front-line health services and price pressures for front-line health services delivered and price pressures for front-line health services delivered by and price pressures for front-line health services delivered by Health health services delivered by Health New health services delivered by Health New Zealand. health services delivered by Health New Zealand. 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We have done this to give the health sector confidence to give the health sector confidence to plan give the health sector confidence to plan for give the health sector confidence to plan for the give the health sector confidence to plan for the future give the health sector confidence to plan for the future so give the health sector confidence to plan for the future so that give the health sector confidence to plan for the future so that New plan for the future so that New Zealanders plan for the future so that New Zealanders can plan for the future so that New Zealanders can get plan for the future so that New Zealanders can get the plan for the future so that New Zealanders can get the healthcare Zealanders can get the healthcare they Zealanders can get the healthcare they need. Zealanders can get the healthcare they need. The Zealanders can get the healthcare they need. The Government Zealanders can get the healthcare they need. The Government has Zealanders can get the healthcare they need. The Government has as they need. The Government has as precommitted they need. The Government has as precommitted funding they need. The Government has as precommitted funding for they need. The Government has as precommitted funding for additional precommitted funding for additional medicines, precommitted funding for additional medicines, including precommitted funding for additional medicines, including up precommitted funding for additional medicines, including up to precommitted funding for additional medicines, including up to 26 precommitted funding for additional medicines, including up to 26 new medicines, including up to 26 new cancer medicines, including up to 26 new cancer treatments. cancer treatments. Supplementary. cancer treatments. Supplementary. How cancer treatments. Supplementary. How much cancer treatments. Supplementary. How much does cancer treatments. Supplementary. How much does that Supplementary. How much does that leave Supplementary. How much does that leave in Supplementary. How much does that leave in the Supplementary. How much does that leave in the allowance Supplementary. How much does that leave in the allowance for Supplementary. How much does that leave in the allowance for new leave in the allowance for new decisions? decisions? Mr decisions? Mr Speaker, decisions? Mr Speaker, after decisions? Mr Speaker, after precommitments decisions? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: Does Finance: Does she Finance: Does she stand Finance: Does she stand by Finance: Does she stand by her Finance: Does she stand by her statement, Does she stand by her statement, "Our Does she stand by her statement, "Our Budget Does she stand by her statement, "Our Budget was Does she stand by her statement, "Our Budget was very Does she stand by her statement, "Our Budget was very deliberate "Our Budget was very deliberate in "Our Budget was very deliberate in the "Our Budget was very deliberate in the funding "Our Budget was very deliberate in the funding of "Our Budget was very deliberate in the funding of core "Our Budget was very deliberate in the funding of core priorities in the funding of core priorities because in the funding of core priorities because our in the funding of core priorities because our priorities in the funding of core priorities because our priorities are in the funding of core priorities because our priorities are the in the funding of core priorities because our priorities are the same because our priorities are the same priorities because our priorities are the same priorities as because our priorities are the same priorities as New because our priorities are the same priorities as New Zealanders"; priorities as New Zealanders"; if priorities as New Zealanders"; if so, priorities as New Zealanders"; if so, is priorities as New Zealanders"; if so, is she priorities as New Zealanders"; if so, is she concerned if so, is she concerned that if so, is she concerned if if so, is she concerned that her choices if so, is she concerned that her choices are if so, is she concerned that her choices are disconnected that her choices are disconnected from that her choices are disconnected from everyday that her choices are disconnected from everyday New that her choices are disconnected from everyday New Zealanders? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, in Mr Speaker, in answer Mr Speaker, in answer to Mr Speaker, in answer to the Mr Speaker, in answer to the first Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of the Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of the question Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of the question - Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of the question - yes. Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of the question - yes. In part of the question - yes. In answer part of the question - yes. In answer to part of the question - yes. In answer to the part of the question - yes. In answer to the second part of the question - yes. In answer to the second part part of the question - yes. In answer to the second part of part of the question - yes. In answer to the second part of the answer to the second part of the answer to the second part of the answer to the second part of the question - answer to the second part of the question - no. answer to the second part of the question - no. Supplementary. answer to the second part of the question - no. Supplementary. Has question - no. Supplementary. Has Cabinet question - no. Supplementary. Has Cabinet approved question - no. Supplementary. Has Cabinet approved funding question - no. Supplementary. Has Cabinet approved funding for Cabinet approved funding for KiwiRail Cabinet approved funding for KiwiRail to Cabinet approved funding for KiwiRail to break Cabinet approved funding for KiwiRail to break its Cabinet approved funding for KiwiRail to break its contract Cabinet approved funding for KiwiRail to break its contract with KiwiRail to break its contract with Hyundai KiwiRail to break its contract with Hyundai for KiwiRail to break its contract with Hyundai for two KiwiRail to break its contract with Hyundai for two island KiwiRail to break its contract with Hyundai for two island ferries KiwiRail to break its contract with Hyundai for two island ferries and Hyundai for two island ferries and does Hyundai for two island ferries and does she Hyundai for two island ferries and does she believe Hyundai for two island ferries and does she believe paying Hyundai for two island ferries and does she believe paying hundreds Hyundai for two island ferries and does she believe paying hundreds of does she believe paying hundreds of millions does she believe paying hundreds of millions of does she believe paying hundreds of millions of dollars does she believe paying hundreds of millions of dollars not does she believe paying hundreds of millions of dollars not to does she believe paying hundreds of millions of dollars not to build millions of dollars not to build ferries millions of dollars not to build ferries as millions of dollars not to build ferries as priorities millions of dollars not to build ferries as priorities for millions of dollars not to build ferries as priorities for New ferries as priorities for New Zealanders? ferries as priorities for New Zealanders? Mr ferries as priorities for New Zealanders? Mr Speaker, ferries as priorities for New Zealanders? Mr Speaker, the Zealanders? Mr Speaker, the negotiations Zealanders? Mr Speaker, the negotiations between Zealanders? Mr Speaker, the negotiations between Kiwi Zealanders? Mr Speaker, the negotiations between Kiwi rail Zealanders? Mr Speaker, the negotiations between Kiwi rail and negotiations between Kiwi rail and Hyundai negotiations between Kiwi rail and Hyundai are negotiations between Kiwi rail and Hyundai are a negotiations between Kiwi rail and Hyundai are a commercial negotiations between Kiwi rail and Hyundai are a commercial matter, Hyundai are a commercial matter, it's Hyundai are a commercial matter, it's not Hyundai are a commercial matter, it's not something Hyundai are a commercial matter, it's not something that Hyundai are a commercial matter, it's not something that I Hyundai are a commercial matter, it's not something that I view Hyundai are a commercial matter, it's not something that I view is Hyundai are a commercial matter, it's not something that I view is in it's not something that I view is in the it's not something that I view is in the public it's not something that I view is in the public interest it's not something that I view is in the public interest to it's not something that I view is in the public interest to comment it's not something that I view is in the public interest to comment on it's not something that I view is in the public interest to comment on in the public interest to comment on in this the public interest to comment on in this House. the public interest to comment on in this House. I the public interest to comment on in this House. I have the public interest to comment on in this House. I have previously the public interest to comment on in this House. I have previously made this House. I have previously made clear this House. I have previously made clear the this House. I have previously made clear the Government's this House. I have previously made clear the Government's view this House. I have previously made clear the Government's view that this House. I have previously made clear the Government's view that we clear the Government's view that we can clear the Government's view that we can have clear the Government's view that we can have safe, clear the Government's view that we can have safe, reliable clear the Government's view that we can have safe, reliable ferry can have safe, reliable ferry services can have safe, reliable ferry services and can have safe, reliable ferry services and that can have safe, reliable ferry services and that we can have safe, reliable ferry services and that we will can have safe, reliable ferry services and that we will take can have safe, reliable ferry services and that we will take the services and that we will take the action services and that we will take the action needed services and that we will take the action needed to services and that we will take the action needed to ensure services and that we will take the action needed to ensure that services and that we will take the action needed to ensure that is services and that we will take the action needed to ensure that is the action needed to ensure that is the case. action needed to ensure that is the case. 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Is she aware that since KiwiRail contracted for that since KiwiRail contracted for the that since KiwiRail contracted for the ferries that since KiwiRail contracted for the ferries the that since KiwiRail contracted for the ferries the price that since KiwiRail contracted for the ferries the price of that since KiwiRail contracted for the ferries the price of new that since KiwiRail contracted for the ferries the price of new ships the ferries the price of new ships has the ferries the price of new ships has risen the ferries the price of new ships has risen by the ferries the price of new ships has risen by 50% the ferries the price of new ships has risen by 50% in the ferries the price of new ships has risen by 50% in US the ferries the price of new ships has risen by 50% in US dollars? the ferries the price of new ships has risen by 50% in US dollars? And has risen by 50% in US dollars? And can has risen by 50% in US dollars? And can she has risen by 50% in US dollars? And can she guarantee has risen by 50% in US dollars? And can she guarantee the has risen by 50% in US dollars? And can she guarantee the new has risen by 50% in US dollars? And can she guarantee the new ferries can she guarantee the new ferries and can she guarantee the new ferries and some can she guarantee the new ferries and some costs can she guarantee the new ferries and some costs from can she guarantee the new ferries and some costs from cancelling can she guarantee the new ferries and some costs from cancelling the and some costs from cancelling the ferries and some costs from cancelling the ferries will and some costs from cancelling the ferries will be and some costs from cancelling the ferries will be less and some costs from cancelling the ferries will be less than and some costs from cancelling the ferries will be less than $2 ferries will be less than $2 billion? ferries will be less than $2 billion? Mr ferries will be less than $2 billion? Mr Speaker, ferries will be less than $2 billion? Mr Speaker, on ferries will be less than $2 billion? Mr Speaker, on the ferries will be less than $2 billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice ferries will be less than $2 billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice I billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice I have billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice I have received billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice I have received to billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice I have received to date, billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice I have received to date, I billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice I have received to date, I can billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice I have received to date, I can be billion? Mr Speaker, on the advice I have received to date, I can be very have received to date, I can be very confident have received to date, I can be very confident that have received to date, I can be very confident that the have received to date, I can be very confident that the cost have received to date, I can be very confident that the cost of confident that the cost of delivering confident that the cost of delivering new confident that the cost of delivering new ferries confident that the cost of delivering new ferries will confident that the cost of delivering new ferries will be confident that the cost of delivering new ferries will be less delivering new ferries will be less than delivering new ferries will be less than the delivering new ferries will be less than the projected delivering new ferries will be less than the projected cost delivering new ferries will be less than the projected cost of delivering new ferries will be less than the projected cost of the than the projected cost of the failed than the projected cost of the failed and than the projected cost of the failed and flawed than the projected cost of the failed and flawed project than the projected cost of the failed and flawed project IREX than the projected cost of the failed and flawed project IREX even failed and flawed project IREX even when failed and flawed project IREX even when some failed and flawed project IREX even when some costs failed and flawed project IREX even when some costs are failed and flawed project IREX even when some costs are taken failed and flawed project IREX even when some costs are taken into when some costs are taken into account. when some costs are taken into account. I when some costs are taken into account. I had when some costs are taken into account. I had the when some costs are taken into account. I had the experience account. I had the experience yesterday, account. I had the experience yesterday, Mr account. I had the experience yesterday, Mr Speaker, account. I had the experience yesterday, Mr Speaker, of account. I had the experience yesterday, Mr Speaker, of visiting yesterday, Mr Speaker, of visiting Centre yesterday, Mr Speaker, of visiting Centre Port yesterday, Mr Speaker, of visiting Centre Port where yesterday, Mr Speaker, of visiting Centre Port where they yesterday, Mr Speaker, of visiting Centre Port where they showed yesterday, Mr Speaker, of visiting Centre Port where they showed me Centre Port where they showed me where Centre Port where they showed me where hundreds Centre Port where they showed me where hundreds of Centre Port where they showed me where hundreds of millions Centre Port where they showed me where hundreds of millions of where hundreds of millions of dollars where hundreds of millions of dollars would where hundreds of millions of dollars would have where hundreds of millions of dollars would have had where hundreds of millions of dollars would have had to where hundreds of millions of dollars would have had to be where hundreds of millions of dollars would have had to be poured dollars would have had to be poured in dollars would have had to be poured in to dollars would have had to be poured in to allow dollars would have had to be poured in to allow for dollars would have had to be poured in to allow for enormous dollars would have had to be poured in to allow for enormous ships dollars would have had to be poured in to allow for enormous ships with in to allow for enormous ships with enormous in to allow for enormous ships with enormous berths in to allow for enormous ships with enormous berths and in to allow for enormous ships with enormous berths and rail in to allow for enormous ships with enormous berths and rail enable in to allow for enormous ships with enormous berths and rail enable ment enormous berths and rail enable ment and enormous berths and rail enable ment and I enormous berths and rail enable ment and I asked enormous berths and rail enable ment and I asked them enormous berths and rail enable ment and I asked them how enormous berths and rail enable ment and I asked them how much enormous berths and rail enable ment and I asked them how much would enormous berths and rail enable ment and I asked them how much would it and I asked them how much would it cost and I asked them how much would it cost to and I asked them how much would it cost to ensure and I asked them how much would it cost to ensure that and I asked them how much would it cost to ensure that wharf and I asked them how much would it cost to ensure that wharf could and I asked them how much would it cost to ensure that wharf could take cost to ensure that wharf could take a cost to ensure that wharf could take a normal-sized cost to ensure that wharf could take a normal-sized ferry cost to ensure that wharf could take a normal-sized ferry and cost to ensure that wharf could take a normal-sized ferry and they cost to ensure that wharf could take a normal-sized ferry and they said a normal-sized ferry and they said zero. a normal-sized ferry and they said zero. point a normal-sized ferry and they said zero. point of a normal-sized ferry and they said zero. point of order, a normal-sized ferry and they said zero. point of order, Mr a normal-sized ferry and they said zero. point of order, Mr Speaker. zero. point of order, Mr Speaker. 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I she makes assertions in this house that are incorrect. I wish she makes assertions in this house that are incorrect. I wish to she makes assertions in this house that are incorrect. I wish to offer that are incorrect. I wish to offer a that are incorrect. I wish to offer a point that are incorrect. I wish to offer a point of that are incorrect. I wish to offer a point of clarification that are incorrect. I wish to offer a point of clarification in that are incorrect. I wish to offer a point of clarification in regards a point of clarification in regards to a point of clarification in regards to the a point of clarification in regards to the previous a point of clarification in regards to the previous comments a point of clarification in regards to the previous comments I a point of clarification in regards to the previous comments I made. to the previous comments I made. When to the previous comments I made. When I to the previous comments I made. 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Is she aware that procuring new ferries that are not procuring new ferries that are not rail procuring new ferries that are not rail enabled procuring new ferries that are not rail enabled will procuring new ferries that are not rail enabled will cost procuring new ferries that are not rail enabled will cost $150 procuring new ferries that are not rail enabled will cost $150 to procuring new ferries that are not rail enabled will cost $150 to $200 rail enabled will cost $150 to $200 per rail enabled will cost $150 to $200 per container? rail enabled will cost $150 to $200 per container? Is rail enabled will cost $150 to $200 per container? Is she rail enabled will cost $150 to $200 per container? Is she putting rail enabled will cost $150 to $200 per container? Is she putting that per container? Is she putting that cost per container? Is she putting that cost on per container? Is she putting that cost on QE per container? Is she putting that cost on QE businesses per container? Is she putting that cost on QE businesses a per container? Is she putting that cost on QE businesses a priority per container? Is she putting that cost on QE businesses a priority for cost on QE businesses a priority for her cost on QE businesses a priority for her government? cost on QE businesses a priority for her government? Again, cost on QE businesses a priority for her government? Again, the cost on QE businesses a priority for her government? Again, the member cost on QE businesses a priority for her government? Again, the member is her government? Again, the member is unfortunately her government? Again, the member is unfortunately making her government? Again, the member is unfortunately making assertions unfortunately making assertions without unfortunately making assertions without grounding unfortunately making assertions without grounding in unfortunately making assertions without grounding in fact unfortunately making assertions without grounding in fact and unfortunately making assertions without grounding in fact and so unfortunately making assertions without grounding in fact and so I without grounding in fact and so I would without grounding in fact and so I would point without grounding in fact and so I would point this without grounding in fact and so I would point this out without grounding in fact and so I would point this out to without grounding in fact and so I would point this out to the without grounding in fact and so I would point this out to the member. would point this out to the member. She would point this out to the member. She is would point this out to the member. 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The previous facilities that were big enough to take ships. The previous government, take ships. The previous government, Mr take ships. The previous government, Mr Speaker, take ships. The previous government, Mr Speaker, committed take ships. The previous government, Mr Speaker, committed to take ships. The previous government, Mr Speaker, committed to cars take ships. The previous government, Mr Speaker, committed to cars that Mr Speaker, committed to cars that were Mr Speaker, committed to cars that were far Mr Speaker, committed to cars that were far too Mr Speaker, committed to cars that were far too big Mr Speaker, committed to cars that were far too big for Mr Speaker, committed to cars that were far too big for the Mr Speaker, committed to cars that were far too big for the garage, Mr Speaker, committed to cars that were far too big for the garage, had were far too big for the garage, had no were far too big for the garage, had no plan were far too big for the garage, had no plan to were far too big for the garage, had no plan to build were far too big for the garage, had no plan to build the were far too big for the garage, had no plan to build the garage were far too big for the garage, had no plan to build the garage and no plan to build the garage and found no plan to build the garage and found out no plan to build the garage and found out halfway no plan to build the garage and found out halfway through no plan to build the garage and found out halfway through the no plan to build the garage and found out halfway through the garage found out halfway through the garage was found out halfway through the garage was going found out halfway through the garage was going to found out halfway through the garage was going to cost found out halfway through the garage was going to cost more found out halfway through the garage was going to cost more than found out halfway through the garage was going to cost more than the found out halfway through the garage was going to cost more than the car. was going to cost more than the car. Supplementary. was going to cost more than the car. Supplementary. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. <INTERRUPTION> Is Supplementary. <INTERRUPTION> Is it Supplementary. <INTERRUPTION> Is it prudent Supplementary. <INTERRUPTION> Is it prudent financial Supplementary. <INTERRUPTION> Is it prudent financial management Is it prudent financial management for Is it prudent financial management for her Is it prudent financial management for her to Is it prudent financial management for her to cancel Is it prudent financial management for her to cancel the Is it prudent financial management for her to cancel the Cook Is it prudent financial management for her to cancel the Cook Strait for her to cancel the Cook Strait ferry for her to cancel the Cook Strait ferry project for her to cancel the Cook Strait ferry project with for her to cancel the Cook Strait ferry project with no for her to cancel the Cook Strait ferry project with no alternative ferry project with no alternative plan ferry project with no alternative plan to ferry project with no alternative plan to have ferry project with no alternative plan to have no ferry project with no alternative plan to have no idea ferry project with no alternative plan to have no idea what ferry project with no alternative plan to have no idea what the plan to have no idea what the contract plan to have no idea what the contract break plan to have no idea what the contract break fees plan to have no idea what the contract break fees would plan to have no idea what the contract break fees would be plan to have no idea what the contract break fees would be and plan to have no idea what the contract break fees would be and to contract break fees would be and to have contract break fees would be and to have no contract break fees would be and to have no idea contract break fees would be and to have no idea how contract break fees would be and to have no idea how much contract break fees would be and to have no idea how much alternative have no idea how much alternative ferries have no idea how much alternative ferries and have no idea how much alternative ferries and infrastructure have no idea how much alternative ferries and infrastructure would ferries and infrastructure would cost? ferries and infrastructure would cost? Yes, ferries and infrastructure would cost? Yes, Mr ferries and infrastructure would cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. ferries and infrastructure would cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. For ferries and infrastructure would cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. For two cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. For two reasons. cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. For two reasons. One cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. For two reasons. One - cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. For two reasons. One - because cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. For two reasons. One - because we cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. For two reasons. One - because we can cost? Yes, Mr Speaker. For two reasons. One - because we can be reasons. One - because we can be confident reasons. One - because we can be confident that reasons. One - because we can be confident that we reasons. One - because we can be confident that we can reasons. One - because we can be confident that we can deliver reasons. 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I recently announced that a study of New Zealand's fuel economy, study of New Zealand's fuel economy, including study of New Zealand's fuel economy, including the study of New Zealand's fuel economy, including the reopening study of New Zealand's fuel economy, including the reopening of study of New Zealand's fuel economy, including the reopening of Marsden including the reopening of Marsden point including the reopening of Marsden point refinery, including the reopening of Marsden point refinery, is including the reopening of Marsden point refinery, is getting including the reopening of Marsden point refinery, is getting under including the reopening of Marsden point refinery, is getting under way point refinery, is getting under way as point refinery, is getting under way as per point refinery, is getting under way as per the point refinery, is getting under way as per the coalition point refinery, is getting under way as per the coalition agreement. as per the coalition agreement. 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Is cutting $120 million in community prevention $120 million in community prevention services $120 million in community prevention services like $120 million in community prevention services like family $120 million in community prevention services like family start $120 million in community prevention services like family start the services like family start the change services like family start the change that services like family start the change that community services like family start the change that community organisations change that community organisations have change that community organisations have called change that community organisations have called for, change that community organisations have called for, when change that community organisations have called for, when over change that community organisations have called for, when over provider have called for, when over provider Aotearoa have called for, when over provider Aotearoa Chief have called for, when over provider Aotearoa Chief Executive have called for, when over provider Aotearoa Chief Executive Belinda Aotearoa Chief Executive Belinda Hemiorna Aotearoa Chief Executive Belinda Hemiorna is Aotearoa Chief Executive Belinda Hemiorna is saying Aotearoa Chief Executive Belinda Hemiorna is saying that Aotearoa Chief Executive Belinda Hemiorna is saying that people Aotearoa Chief Executive Belinda Hemiorna is saying that people are Hemiorna is saying that people are worried Hemiorna is saying that people are worried that Hemiorna is saying that people are worried that whanau Hemiorna is saying that people are worried that whanau wellbeing Hemiorna is saying that people are worried that whanau wellbeing and worried that whanau wellbeing and child worried that whanau wellbeing and child safety worried that whanau wellbeing and child safety will worried that whanau wellbeing and child safety will be worried that whanau wellbeing and child safety will be impacted worried that whanau wellbeing and child safety will be impacted by worried that whanau wellbeing and child safety will be impacted by the child safety will be impacted by the reductions? child safety will be impacted by the reductions? 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How do you know that Pohu whanau, marchwide, hapu and iwi? How do you know that Oranga iwi? How do you know that Oranga Tamariki iwi? How do you know that Oranga Tamariki will iwi? How do you know that Oranga Tamariki will keep iwi? How do you know that Oranga Tamariki will keep their iwi? How do you know that Oranga Tamariki will keep their word iwi? How do you know that Oranga Tamariki will keep their word and Tamariki will keep their word and care Tamariki will keep their word and care properly Tamariki will keep their word and care properly for Tamariki will keep their word and care properly for us Tamariki will keep their word and care properly for us when Tamariki will keep their word and care properly for us when they Tamariki will keep their word and care properly for us when they have care properly for us when they have never, care properly for us when they have never, ever care properly for us when they have never, ever done care properly for us when they have never, ever done so?" care properly for us when they have never, ever done so?" Mr care properly for us when they have never, ever done so?" Mr Speaker, never, ever done so?" Mr Speaker, what never, ever done so?" Mr Speaker, what I never, ever done so?" Mr Speaker, what I would never, ever done so?" Mr Speaker, what I would say never, ever done so?" 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Mr Speaker, what I would say is that since I've what I would say is that since I've started what I would say is that since I've started as what I would say is that since I've started as children's what I would say is that since I've started as children's Minister, what I would say is that since I've started as children's Minister, I started as children's Minister, I have started as children's Minister, I have always started as children's Minister, I have always made started as children's Minister, I have always made it started as children's Minister, I have always made it very started as children's Minister, I have always made it very clear started as children's Minister, I have always made it very clear that have always made it very clear that the have always made it very clear that the best have always made it very clear that the best interests have always made it very clear that the best interests and have always made it very clear that the best interests and the have always made it very clear that the best interests and the safety have always made it very clear that the best interests and the safety of the best interests and the safety of the the best interests and the safety of the children the best interests and the safety of the children should the best interests and the safety of the children should be the best interests and the safety of the children should be at the best interests and the safety of the children should be at the the children should be at the forefront the children should be at the forefront of the children should be at the forefront of every the children should be at the forefront of every decision the children should be at the forefront of every decision making, forefront of every decision making, whether forefront of every decision making, whether you're forefront of every decision making, whether you're Maori, forefront of every decision making, whether you're Maori, non-Maori forefront of every decision making, whether you're Maori, non-Maori or whether you're Maori, non-Maori or any whether you're Maori, non-Maori or any ethnicity whether you're Maori, non-Maori or any ethnicity in whether you're Maori, non-Maori or any ethnicity in this whether you're Maori, non-Maori or any ethnicity in this country, whether you're Maori, non-Maori or any ethnicity in this country, but any ethnicity in this country, but I'm any ethnicity in this country, but I'm sick any ethnicity in this country, but I'm sick us any ethnicity in this country, but I'm sick us of any ethnicity in this country, but I'm sick us of accepting any ethnicity in this country, but I'm sick us of accepting the any ethnicity in this country, but I'm sick us of accepting the fact I'm sick us of accepting the fact that I'm sick us of accepting the fact that we I'm sick us of accepting the fact that we lose I'm sick us of accepting the fact that we lose one I'm sick us of accepting the fact that we lose one baby I'm sick us of accepting the fact that we lose one baby every I'm sick us of accepting the fact that we lose one baby every five that we lose one baby every five weeks that we lose one baby every five weeks in that we lose one baby every five weeks in this that we lose one baby every five weeks in this country that we lose one baby every five weeks in this country 20 that we lose one baby every five weeks in this country 20 the that we lose one baby every five weeks in this country 20 the hands weeks in this country 20 the hands of weeks in this country 20 the hands of somebody weeks in this country 20 the hands of somebody who weeks in this country 20 the hands of somebody who is weeks in this country 20 the hands of somebody who is supposed weeks in this country 20 the hands of somebody who is supposed to weeks in this country 20 the hands of somebody who is supposed to scare of somebody who is supposed to scare about of somebody who is supposed to scare about them. about them. Supplementary. about them. Supplementary. What about them. Supplementary. What would about them. Supplementary. What would the Supplementary. What would the Minister Supplementary. What would the Minister say Supplementary. What would the Minister say to Supplementary. What would the Minister say to Theresa Supplementary. What would the Minister say to Theresa Olsen Supplementary. 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And contracts with Oranga Tamariki? And is contracts with Oranga Tamariki? And is stripping contracts with Oranga Tamariki? And is stripping community contracts with Oranga Tamariki? And is stripping community providers contracts with Oranga Tamariki? And is stripping community providers on is stripping community providers on the is stripping community providers on the ground is stripping community providers on the ground already is stripping community providers on the ground already working is stripping community providers on the ground already working with the ground already working with whanau the ground already working with whanau of the ground already working with whanau of funding the ground already working with whanau of funding what the ground already working with whanau of funding what change the ground already working with whanau of funding what change looks whanau of funding what change looks like whanau of funding what change looks like to whanau of funding what change looks like to her? whanau of funding what change looks like to her? Mr whanau of funding what change looks like to her? Mr Speaker, whanau of funding what change looks like to her? Mr Speaker, I'll whanau of funding what change looks like to her? Mr Speaker, I'll say like to her? Mr Speaker, I'll say again, like to her? Mr Speaker, I'll say again, my like to her? Mr Speaker, I'll say again, my statement like to her? Mr Speaker, I'll say again, my statement was like to her? Mr Speaker, I'll say again, my statement was about like to her? Mr Speaker, I'll say again, my statement was about the again, my statement was about the proposed again, my statement was about the proposed restructure again, my statement was about the proposed restructure of again, my statement was about the proposed restructure of Oranga proposed restructure of Oranga Tamariki. Tamariki. Point Tamariki. Point of Tamariki. Point of order. Tamariki. Point of order. I Tamariki. Point of order. I raised Tamariki. Point of order. I raised a Tamariki. Point of order. I raised a similar Point of order. I raised a similar point Point of order. I raised a similar point of Point of order. I raised a similar point of order Point of order. I raised a similar point of order last Point of order. I raised a similar point of order last week Point of order. I raised a similar point of order last week but Point of order. I raised a similar point of order last week but our point of order last week but our team point of order last week but our team was point of order last week but our team was abiding point of order last week but our team was abiding by point of order last week but our team was abiding by your point of order last week but our team was abiding by your request point of order last week but our team was abiding by your request to team was abiding by your request to not team was abiding by your request to not interject team was abiding by your request to not interject and team was abiding by your request to not interject and heckle team was abiding by your request to not interject and heckle when not interject and heckle when questions not interject and heckle when questions and not interject and heckle when questions and answers not interject and heckle when questions and answers were not interject and heckle when questions and answers were being questions and answers were being given. questions and answers were being given. 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But I am starting to get really concerned that members of the really concerned that members of the Government really concerned that members of the Government are really concerned that members of the Government are actually really concerned that members of the Government are actually undermining Government are actually undermining the Government are actually undermining the efforts Government are actually undermining the efforts that Government are actually undermining the efforts that some Government are actually undermining the efforts that some of Government are actually undermining the efforts that some of us Government are actually undermining the efforts that some of us are the efforts that some of us are trying the efforts that some of us are trying to the efforts that some of us are trying to take the efforts that some of us are trying to take to the efforts that some of us are trying to take to tone the efforts that some of us are trying to take to tone down the efforts that some of us are trying to take to tone down the the efforts that some of us are trying to take to tone down the tone trying to take to tone down the tone coming trying to take to tone down the tone coming from trying to take to tone down the tone coming from the trying to take to tone down the tone coming from the New trying to take to tone down the tone coming from the New Zealand trying to take to tone down the tone coming from the New Zealand First coming from the New Zealand First side coming from the New Zealand First side during coming from the New Zealand First side during the coming from the New Zealand First side during the answers coming from the New Zealand First side during the answers the coming from the New Zealand First side during the answers the Minister side during the answers the Minister has side during the answers the Minister has given. side during the answers the Minister has given. 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I've most certainly taken note of that and will be speak being note of that and will be speak being that note of that and will be speak being that with note of that and will be speak being that with them note of that and will be speak being that with them very note of that and will be speak being that with them very directly note of that and will be speak being that with them very directly after that with them very directly after question that with them very directly after question time. that with them very directly after question time. Question that with them very directly after question time. Question No. that with them very directly after question time. Question No. 9, question time. Question No. 9, Debbie question time. Question No. 9, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Prime My question is to the Prime Minister: Minister: Does Minister: Does he Minister: Does he stand Minister: Does he stand by Minister: Does he stand by all Minister: Does he stand by all of Minister: Does he stand by all of his Does he stand by all of his Government's Does he stand by all of his Government's statements Does he stand by all of his Government's statements and Does he stand by all of his Government's statements and actions? Yes Yes and Yes and especially Yes and especially our Yes and especially our actions Yes and especially our actions to Yes and especially our actions to turn Yes and especially our actions to turn maths Yes and especially our actions to turn maths achievement Yes and especially our actions to turn maths achievement around Yes and especially our actions to turn maths achievement around for turn maths achievement around for young turn maths achievement around for young Maori. turn maths achievement around for young Maori. The turn maths achievement around for young Maori. The maths turn maths achievement around for young Maori. The maths achievement young Maori. The maths achievement data young Maori. The maths achievement data released young Maori. The maths achievement data released on young Maori. The maths achievement data released on the young Maori. The maths achievement data released on the weekend young Maori. 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Shockingly, according to last year's data. Shockingly, 76% according to last year's data. Shockingly, 76% were according to last year's data. Shockingly, 76% were more according to last year's data. Shockingly, 76% were more than according to last year's data. Shockingly, 76% were more than a Shockingly, 76% were more than a year Shockingly, 76% were more than a year behind. Shockingly, 76% were more than a year behind. All Shockingly, 76% were more than a year behind. All Kiwis, Shockingly, 76% were more than a year behind. All Kiwis, Maori Shockingly, 76% were more than a year behind. All Kiwis, Maori or year behind. All Kiwis, Maori or non-Maori, year behind. All Kiwis, Maori or non-Maori, deserve year behind. All Kiwis, Maori or non-Maori, deserve a year behind. All Kiwis, Maori or non-Maori, deserve a shot year behind. All Kiwis, Maori or non-Maori, deserve a shot at year behind. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Tertiary My question is to the Minister for Tertiary Education My question is to the Minister for Tertiary Education and My question is to the Minister for Tertiary Education and Skills: Tertiary Education and Skills: What Tertiary Education and Skills: What recent Tertiary Education and Skills: What recent actions Tertiary Education and Skills: What recent actions have Tertiary Education and Skills: What recent actions have been Tertiary Education and Skills: What recent actions have been taken What recent actions have been taken to What recent actions have been taken to begin What recent actions have been taken to begin public What recent actions have been taken to begin public consultation to begin public consultation on to begin public consultation on the to begin public consultation on the redesign to begin public consultation on the redesign of to begin public consultation on the redesign of the to begin public consultation on the redesign of the vocational on the redesign of the vocational education on the redesign of the vocational education and on the redesign of the vocational education and training on the redesign of the vocational education and training system? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, the Mr Speaker, the Government Mr Speaker, the Government has Mr Speaker, the Government has begun Mr Speaker, the Government has begun a Mr Speaker, the Government has begun a six-week Mr Speaker, the Government has begun a six-week period Mr Speaker, the Government has begun a six-week period of Mr Speaker, the Government has begun a six-week period of consultation Mr Speaker, the Government has begun a six-week period of consultation on a six-week period of consultation on proposed a six-week period of consultation on proposed reforms a six-week period of consultation on proposed reforms for a six-week period of consultation on proposed reforms for New a six-week period of consultation on proposed reforms for New Zealand's proposed reforms for New Zealand's vocational proposed reforms for New Zealand's vocational education proposed reforms for New Zealand's vocational education and proposed reforms for New Zealand's vocational education and training vocational education and training system. vocational education and training system. We vocational education and training system. We proposed vocational education and training system. We proposed to vocational education and training system. We proposed to replace vocational education and training system. We proposed to replace the system. We proposed to replace the top system. We proposed to replace the top PB system. We proposed to replace the top PB central system. We proposed to replace the top PB central Te system. We proposed to replace the top PB central Te Pukenga system. We proposed to replace the top PB central Te Pukenga with system. We proposed to replace the top PB central Te Pukenga with a top PB central Te Pukenga with a network top PB central Te Pukenga with a top top PB central Te Pukenga with a network of regional top PB central Te Pukenga with a network of regional institutes top PB central Te Pukenga with a network of regional institutes of network of regional institutes of technology network of regional institutes of technology and network of regional institutes of technology and polytechnics network of regional institutes of technology and polytechnics and network of regional institutes of technology and polytechnics and an technology and polytechnics and an industry technology and polytechnics and an industry training technology and polytechnics and an industry training system technology and polytechnics and an industry training system that technology and polytechnics and an industry training system that is industry training system that is closer industry training system that is closer to industry training system that is closer to industry. industry training system that is closer to industry. These industry training system that is closer to industry. These proposals closer to industry. These proposals will closer to industry. These proposals will put closer to industry. These proposals will put the closer to industry. These proposals will put the vocational closer to industry. These proposals will put the vocational education will put the vocational education and will put the vocational education and training will put the vocational education and training system will put the vocational education and training system on will put the vocational education and training system on a will put the vocational education and training system on a sustainable and training system on a sustainable path and training system on a sustainable path and and training system on a sustainable path and restore and training system on a sustainable path and restore accountability and training system on a sustainable path and restore accountability and path and restore accountability and responsibility path and restore accountability and responsibility to path and restore accountability and responsibility to communities path and restore accountability and responsibility to communities and responsibility to communities and industries responsibility to communities and industries while responsibility to communities and industries while removing industries while removing unnecessary industries while removing unnecessary complexity industries while removing unnecessary complexity and unnecessary complexity and bureaucracy. unnecessary complexity and bureaucracy. Supplementary. unnecessary complexity and bureaucracy. Supplementary. Why unnecessary complexity and bureaucracy. Supplementary. Why is bureaucracy. Supplementary. Why is this bureaucracy. Supplementary. Why is this redesign bureaucracy. Supplementary. Why is this redesign important? bureaucracy. Supplementary. Why is this redesign important? Mr bureaucracy. Supplementary. Why is this redesign important? Mr Speaker, this redesign important? Mr Speaker, the this redesign important? Mr Speaker, the vocational this redesign important? Mr Speaker, the vocational education this redesign important? Mr Speaker, the vocational education and the vocational education and training the vocational education and training sector the vocational education and training sector is the vocational education and training sector is an the vocational education and training sector is an absolutely training sector is an absolutely critical training sector is an absolutely critical part training sector is an absolutely critical part of training sector is an absolutely critical part of our training sector is an absolutely critical part of our tertiary critical part of our tertiary education critical part of our tertiary education system. critical part of our tertiary education system. It critical part of our tertiary education system. It provides education system. It provides skills, education system. It provides skills, knowledge education system. It provides skills, knowledge and education system. It provides skills, knowledge and career skills, knowledge and career pathways skills, knowledge and career pathways for skills, knowledge and career pathways for individuals skills, knowledge and career pathways for individuals into pathways for individuals into industries pathways for individuals into industries and pathways for individuals into industries and professions pathways for individuals into industries and professions that pathways for individuals into industries and professions that are industries and professions that are vital industries and professions that are vital to industries and professions that are vital to the industries and professions that are vital to the economic industries and professions that are vital to the economic prosperity industries and professions that are vital to the economic prosperity of vital to the economic prosperity of New vital to the economic prosperity of New Zealand. vital to the economic prosperity of New Zealand. New vital to the economic prosperity of New Zealand. New Zealand vital to the economic prosperity of New Zealand. New Zealand needs vital to the economic prosperity of New Zealand. New Zealand needs a New Zealand. New Zealand needs a strong New Zealand. New Zealand needs a strong vocational New Zealand. New Zealand needs a strong vocational education New Zealand. New Zealand needs a strong vocational education and strong vocational education and training strong vocational education and training system strong vocational education and training system to strong vocational education and training system to ensure strong vocational education and training system to ensure our training system to ensure our people, training system to ensure our people, our training system to ensure our people, our industries, training system to ensure our people, our industries, and training system to ensure our people, our industries, and our people, our industries, and our communities people, our industries, and our communities can people, our industries, and our communities can thrive. communities can thrive. Supplementary. communities can thrive. Supplementary. How communities can thrive. Supplementary. How will communities can thrive. Supplementary. How will it communities can thrive. Supplementary. How will it help Supplementary. How will it help ensure Supplementary. How will it help ensure provision Supplementary. How will it help ensure provision in Supplementary. How will it help ensure provision in the Supplementary. How will it help ensure provision in the regions? Supplementary. How will it help ensure provision in the regions? Mr ensure provision in the regions? Mr Speaker, ensure provision in the regions? Mr Speaker, to ensure provision in the regions? Mr Speaker, to be ensure provision in the regions? Mr Speaker, to be successful, Speaker, to be successful, vocational Speaker, to be successful, vocational education Speaker, to be successful, vocational education and Speaker, to be successful, vocational education and training vocational education and training must vocational education and training must be vocational education and training must be responsive vocational education and training must be responsive to vocational education and training must be responsive to local vocational education and training must be responsive to local needs, must be responsive to local needs, have must be responsive to local needs, have industry must be responsive to local needs, have industry buy-in must be responsive to local needs, have industry buy-in and must be responsive to local needs, have industry buy-in and be have industry buy-in and be financially have industry buy-in and be financially viable. have industry buy-in and be financially viable. We have industry buy-in and be financially viable. We need have industry buy-in and be financially viable. We need to financially viable. We need to restore financially viable. We need to restore our financially viable. We need to restore our polytechnics financially viable. We need to restore our polytechnics to financially viable. We need to restore our polytechnics to their restore our polytechnics to their rightful restore our polytechnics to their rightful place restore our polytechnics to their rightful place as restore our polytechnics to their rightful place as anchors restore our polytechnics to their rightful place as anchors of rightful place as anchors of learning rightful place as anchors of learning opportunities rightful place as anchors of learning opportunities for learning opportunities for individuals learning opportunities for individuals and learning opportunities for individuals and as learning opportunities for individuals and as a learning opportunities for individuals and as a regional individuals and as a regional development individuals and as a regional development tool individuals and as a regional development tool for individuals and as a regional development tool for communities individuals and as a regional development tool for communities and development tool for communities and industries. development tool for communities and industries. 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For regions like Northland, Taranaki and the West Northland, Taranaki and the West Coast Northland, Taranaki and the West Coast of Northland, Taranaki and the West Coast of the Northland, Taranaki and the West Coast of the South Northland, Taranaki and the West Coast of the South Island, Northland, Taranaki and the West Coast of the South Island, it Northland, Taranaki and the West Coast of the South Island, it is Coast of the South Island, it is important Coast of the South Island, it is important to Coast of the South Island, it is important to have Coast of the South Island, it is important to have access Coast of the South Island, it is important to have access to Coast of the South Island, it is important to have access to online important to have access to online provision important to have access to online provision so important to have access to online provision so that important to have access to online provision so that a important to have access to online provision so that a blend important to have access to online provision so that a blend of provision so that a blend of on-campus provision so that a blend of on-campus and provision so that a blend of on-campus and online provision so that a blend of on-campus and online delivery provision so that a blend of on-campus and online delivery can provision so that a blend of on-campus and online delivery can be on-campus and online delivery can be utilised on-campus and online delivery can be utilised to on-campus and online delivery can be utilised to ensure on-campus and online delivery can be utilised to ensure financially on-campus and online delivery can be utilised to ensure financially and utilised to ensure financially and academically utilised to ensure financially and academically sustainable utilised to ensure financially and academically sustainable provision. academically sustainable provision. Supplementary. academically sustainable provision. Supplementary. What academically sustainable provision. Supplementary. What will academically sustainable provision. Supplementary. What will the academically sustainable provision. Supplementary. What will the changes Supplementary. What will the changes do Supplementary. What will the changes do for Supplementary. What will the changes do for industry Supplementary. What will the changes do for industry training? Supplementary. What will the changes do for industry training? Mr do for industry training? Mr Speaker, do for industry training? Mr Speaker, a do for industry training? Mr Speaker, a strong do for industry training? Mr Speaker, a strong industry do for industry training? Mr Speaker, a strong industry voice do for industry training? 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This Government wants a model that is better connected to model that is better connected to employers model that is better connected to employers including model that is better connected to employers including small model that is better connected to employers including small and model that is better connected to employers including small and medium employers including small and medium enterprises employers including small and medium enterprises so employers including small and medium enterprises so this employers including small and medium enterprises so this they employers including small and medium enterprises so this they have employers including small and medium enterprises so this they have a enterprises so this they have a sense enterprises so this they have a sense of enterprises so this they have a sense of ownership enterprises so this they have a sense of ownership of enterprises so this they have a sense of ownership of industry sense of ownership of industry training. sense of ownership of industry training. 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Our industry on the activities that industries most value. Our industry training most value. Our industry training must most value. Our industry training must be most value. Our industry training must be driven most value. Our industry training must be driven by most value. Our industry training must be driven by and most value. Our industry training must be driven by and for most value. Our industry training must be driven by and for industry. must be driven by and for industry. Mr must be driven by and for industry. Mr Speaker, must be driven by and for industry. Mr Speaker, I must be driven by and for industry. Mr Speaker, I want must be driven by and for industry. Mr Speaker, I want to must be driven by and for industry. 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Ms Genter lent over Mr Doocey's desk and showed him the Doocey's desk and showed him the contents Doocey's desk and showed him the contents of Doocey's desk and showed him the contents of the Doocey's desk and showed him the contents of the report Doocey's desk and showed him the contents of the report which Doocey's desk and showed him the contents of the report which she contents of the report which she then contents of the report which she then place contents of the report which she then place his contents of the report which she then place his desk. contents of the report which she then place his desk. Ms contents of the report which she then place his desk. Ms Genter contents of the report which she then place his desk. Ms Genter moved then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to the then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to the side then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to the side - then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to the side - to then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to the side - to stand then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to the side - to stand to then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to the side - to stand to is then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to the side - to stand to is side then place his desk. Ms Genter moved to the side - to stand to is side of to the side - to stand to is side of to the side - to stand to is side of to the side - to stand to is side of Mr Doocey to the side - to stand to is side of Mr Doocey who to the side - to stand to is side of Mr Doocey who was to the side - to stand to is side of Mr Doocey who was still to the side - to stand to is side of Mr Doocey who was still seated to the side - to stand to is side of Mr Doocey who was still seated and Mr Doocey who was still seated and raised Mr Doocey who was still seated and raised her Mr Doocey who was still seated and raised her hands Mr Doocey who was still seated and raised her hands while Mr Doocey who was still seated and raised her hands while continuing Mr Doocey who was still seated and raised her hands while continuing to raised her hands while continuing to speak raised her hands while continuing to speak in raised her hands while continuing to speak in a raised her hands while continuing to speak in a raised raised her hands while continuing to speak in a raised voice. raised her hands while continuing to speak in a raised voice. During raised her hands while continuing to speak in a raised voice. During the speak in a raised voice. During the exchange, speak in a raised voice. During the exchange, the speak in a raised voice. During the exchange, the debate speak in a raised voice. During the exchange, the debate was speak in a raised voice. During the exchange, the debate was interrupted exchange, the debate was interrupted while exchange, the debate was interrupted while the exchange, the debate was interrupted while the Chairperson exchange, the debate was interrupted while the Chairperson of exchange, the debate was interrupted while the Chairperson of The while the Chairperson of The Committee while the Chairperson of The Committee sought while the Chairperson of The Committee sought Ms while the Chairperson of The Committee sought Ms Genter's Committee sought Ms Genter's attention Committee sought Ms Genter's attention and Committee sought Ms Genter's attention and asked Committee sought Ms Genter's attention and asked her Committee sought Ms Genter's attention and asked her to Committee sought Ms Genter's attention and asked her to resume attention and asked her to resume her attention and asked her to resume her seat. attention and asked her to resume her seat. Ms attention and asked her to resume her seat. Ms Genter attention and asked her to resume her seat. Ms Genter subsequently her seat. Ms Genter subsequently returned her seat. Ms Genter subsequently returned to her seat. Ms Genter subsequently returned to her her seat. Ms Genter subsequently returned to her seat her seat. Ms Genter subsequently returned to her seat with her seat. Ms Genter subsequently returned to her seat with the returned to her seat with the report. returned to her seat with the report. As returned to her seat with the report. As the returned to her seat with the report. As the exchange returned to her seat with the report. As the exchange happened returned to her seat with the report. As the exchange happened in report. As the exchange happened in the report. As the exchange happened in the debating report. As the exchange happened in the debating chamber, report. As the exchange happened in the debating chamber, it report. As the exchange happened in the debating chamber, it was the debating chamber, it was broadcast the debating chamber, it was broadcast live. the debating chamber, it was broadcast live. Footage the debating chamber, it was broadcast live. Footage of the debating chamber, it was broadcast live. Footage of the broadcast live. Footage of the incident broadcast live. Footage of the incident is broadcast live. Footage of the incident is available broadcast live. Footage of the incident is available which broadcast live. Footage of the incident is available which we incident is available which we reviewed. incident is available which we reviewed. We incident is available which we reviewed. We requested incident is available which we reviewed. We requested that incident is available which we reviewed. We requested that a reviewed. We requested that a verbatim reviewed. We requested that a verbatim transcript reviewed. We requested that a verbatim transcript of reviewed. We requested that a verbatim transcript of the reviewed. We requested that a verbatim transcript of the exchange verbatim transcript of the exchange be verbatim transcript of the exchange be produced verbatim transcript of the exchange be produced and verbatim transcript of the exchange be produced and we verbatim transcript of the exchange be produced and we also verbatim transcript of the exchange be produced and we also requested be produced and we also requested that be produced and we also requested that from be produced and we also requested that from different be produced and we also requested that from different microphones be produced and we also requested that from different microphones in that from different microphones in the that from different microphones in the Chamber that from different microphones in the Chamber be that from different microphones in the Chamber be provided that from different microphones in the Chamber be provided so that from different microphones in the Chamber be provided so we that from different microphones in the Chamber be provided so we could the Chamber be provided so we could examine the Chamber be provided so we could examine the the Chamber be provided so we could examine the incident the Chamber be provided so we could examine the incident and the Chamber be provided so we could examine the incident and determine examine the incident and determine what examine the incident and determine what exactly examine the incident and determine what exactly had examine the incident and determine what exactly had happened. examine the incident and determine what exactly had happened. Based examine the incident and determine what exactly had happened. Based on what exactly had happened. Based on our what exactly had happened. Based on our review what exactly had happened. Based on our review of what exactly had happened. Based on our review of the what exactly had happened. Based on our review of the video what exactly had happened. Based on our review of the video and what exactly had happened. Based on our review of the video and audio our review of the video and audio footage, our review of the video and audio footage, and our review of the video and audio footage, and the our review of the video and audio footage, and the transcripts our review of the video and audio footage, and the transcripts of our review of the video and audio footage, and the transcripts of the footage, and the transcripts of the debate footage, and the transcripts of the debate on footage, and the transcripts of the debate on 1 footage, and the transcripts of the debate on 1 May footage, and the transcripts of the debate on 1 May 2024, footage, and the transcripts of the debate on 1 May 2024, we footage, and the transcripts of the debate on 1 May 2024, we consider debate on 1 May 2024, we consider that debate on 1 May 2024, we consider that the debate on 1 May 2024, we consider that the facts debate on 1 May 2024, we consider that the facts of debate on 1 May 2024, we consider that the facts of the debate on 1 May 2024, we consider that the facts of the matter debate on 1 May 2024, we consider that the facts of the matter are that the facts of the matter are clear. that the facts of the matter are clear. We that the facts of the matter are clear. We asked that the facts of the matter are clear. We asked Ms that the facts of the matter are clear. We asked Ms Genter that the facts of the matter are clear. We asked Ms Genter to that the facts of the matter are clear. We asked Ms Genter to provide clear. We asked Ms Genter to provide written clear. We asked Ms Genter to provide written comment clear. We asked Ms Genter to provide written comment about clear. We asked Ms Genter to provide written comment about the clear. We asked Ms Genter to provide written comment about the question written comment about the question of written comment about the question of privilege written comment about the question of privilege which written comment about the question of privilege which she written comment about the question of privilege which she has written comment about the question of privilege which she has done. written comment about the question of privilege which she has done. Ms of privilege which she has done. Ms Genter of privilege which she has done. Ms Genter wrote of privilege which she has done. Ms Genter wrote to of privilege which she has done. Ms Genter wrote to us of privilege which she has done. Ms Genter wrote to us on of privilege which she has done. Ms Genter wrote to us on 16 of privilege which she has done. Ms Genter wrote to us on 16 May of privilege which she has done. Ms Genter wrote to us on 16 May 2024 Genter wrote to us on 16 May 2024 apologising Genter wrote to us on 16 May 2024 apologising for Genter wrote to us on 16 May 2024 apologising for her Genter wrote to us on 16 May 2024 apologising for her actions Genter wrote to us on 16 May 2024 apologising for her actions in Genter wrote to us on 16 May 2024 apologising for her actions in the apologising for her actions in the Chamber. apologising for her actions in the Chamber. She apologising for her actions in the Chamber. She acknowledged apologising for her actions in the Chamber. She acknowledged that apologising for her actions in the Chamber. She acknowledged that the Chamber. She acknowledged that the ebe Chamber. She acknowledged that the ebe haver Chamber. She acknowledged that the ebe haver was Chamber. She acknowledged that the ebe haver was un-Parliamentary. Chamber. She acknowledged that the ebe haver was un-Parliamentary. And ebe haver was un-Parliamentary. And disruptive ebe haver was un-Parliamentary. And disruptive to ebe haver was un-Parliamentary. And disruptive to proceedings ebe haver was un-Parliamentary. And disruptive to proceedings in ebe haver was un-Parliamentary. And disruptive to proceedings in the disruptive to proceedings in the House disruptive to proceedings in the House and disruptive to proceedings in the House and has disruptive to proceedings in the House and has advised disruptive to proceedings in the House and has advised she disruptive to proceedings in the House and has advised she takes disruptive to proceedings in the House and has advised she takes full House and has advised she takes full responsibility House and has advised she takes full responsibility for House and has advised she takes full responsibility for the House and has advised she takes full responsibility for the situation. House and has advised she takes full responsibility for the situation. As responsibility for the situation. As the responsibility for the situation. As the committee, responsibility for the situation. As the committee, we responsibility for the situation. As the committee, we have responsibility for the situation. As the committee, we have been responsibility for the situation. As the committee, we have been tasked the committee, we have been tasked with the committee, we have been tasked with determining the committee, we have been tasked with determining whether the committee, we have been tasked with determining whether the the committee, we have been tasked with determining whether the Hon with determining whether the Hon Julie with determining whether the Hon Julie Anne with determining whether the Hon Julie Anne Genter's with determining whether the Hon Julie Anne Genter's behaviour with determining whether the Hon Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in with determining whether the Hon Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in the Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in the Chamber Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in the with Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts to Julie Anne Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts to a Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts to a contempt Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts to a contempt of Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts to a contempt of the Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts to a contempt of the House. Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts to a contempt of the House. We Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts to a contempt of the House. We find Chamber on 1 May 2024 amounts to a contempt of the House. We find that contempt of the House. We find that Ms contempt of the House. We find that Ms Genter's contempt of the House. We find that Ms Genter's behaviour contempt of the House. We find that Ms Genter's behaviour in contempt of the House. We find that Ms Genter's behaviour in the contempt of the House. We find that Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 was Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 was such Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 was such that Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 was such that it Ms Genter's behaviour in the Chamber on 1 May 2024 was such that it could on 1 May 2024 was such that it could have on 1 May 2024 was such that it could have the on 1 May 2024 was such that it could have the effect on 1 May 2024 was such that it could have the effect of on 1 May 2024 was such that it could have the effect of intimidating on 1 May 2024 was such that it could have the effect of intimidating a have the effect of intimidating a member have the effect of intimidating a member of have the effect of intimidating a member of the have the effect of intimidating a member of the House have the effect of intimidating a member of the House in have the effect of intimidating a member of the House in the have the effect of intimidating a member of the House in the discharge member of the House in the discharge of member of the House in the discharge of their member of the House in the discharge of their duty. member of the House in the discharge of their duty. We member of the House in the discharge of their duty. We find member of the House in the discharge of their duty. We find in member of the House in the discharge of their duty. We find in acting of their duty. We find in acting of their duty. We find in acting of their duty. We find in acting this way, of their duty. We find in acting this way, Ms of their duty. We find in acting this way, Ms Genter of their duty. We find in acting this way, Ms Genter committed of their duty. We find in acting this way, Ms Genter committed a this way, Ms Genter committed a contempt this way, Ms Genter committed a of this way, Ms Genter committed a contempt of the this way, Ms Genter committed a contempt of the House. this way, Ms Genter committed a contempt of the House. Members this way, Ms Genter committed a contempt of the House. Members must contempt of the House. Members must be contempt of the House. Members must be free contempt of the House. Members must be free to contempt of the House. Members must be free to participate contempt of the House. Members must be free to participate in contempt of the House. Members must be free to participate in debate be free to participate in debate freely be free to participate in debate freely in be free to participate in debate freely in line be free to participate in debate freely in line with be free to participate in debate freely in line with the be free to participate in debate freely in line with the rules be free to participate in debate freely in line with the rules of freely in line with the rules of debate freely in line with the rules of debate and freely in line with the rules of debate and established freely in line with the rules of debate and established practises freely in line with the rules of debate and established practises of debate and established practises of the debate and established practises of debate debate and established practises of the House. It debate and established practises of the House. It is debate and established practises of the House. It is not debate and established practises of the House. It is not acceptable debate and established practises of the House. It is not acceptable to the House. It is not acceptable to physically the House. It is not acceptable to physically approach the House. It is not acceptable to physically approach another the House. It is not acceptable to physically approach another member physically approach another member physically approach another member physically approach another member in order physically approach another member in order to physically approach another member in order to engage physically approach another member in order to engage them physically approach another member in order to engage them in physically approach another member in order to engage them in a in order to engage them in a separate in order to engage them in a separate debate in order to engage them in a separate debate on in order to engage them in a separate debate on the in order to engage them in a separate debate on the floor in order to engage them in a separate debate on the floor of in order to engage them in a separate debate on the floor of the separate debate on the floor of the debating separate debate on the floor of the debating chamber. separate debate on the floor of the debating chamber. It's separate debate on the floor of the debating chamber. It's particularly debating chamber. It's particularly unacceptable debating chamber. It's particularly unacceptable to debating chamber. It's particularly unacceptable to do debating chamber. It's particularly unacceptable to do so debating chamber. It's particularly unacceptable to do so while debating chamber. It's particularly unacceptable to do so while leaning unacceptable to do so while leaning over unacceptable to do so while leaning over another unacceptable to do so while leaning over another member unacceptable to do so while leaning over another member in unacceptable to do so while leaning over another member in a unacceptable to do so while leaning over another member in a way unacceptable to do so while leaning over another member in a way that over another member in a way that could over another member in a way that could intimidate over another member in a way that could intimidate that over another member in a way that could intimidate that member could intimidate that member regardless could intimidate that member regardless of could intimidate that member regardless of whether could intimidate that member regardless of whether or could intimidate that member regardless of whether or not could intimidate that member regardless of whether or not that could intimidate that member regardless of whether or not that is regardless of whether or not that is the regardless of whether or not that is the intention. regardless of whether or not that is the intention. We regardless of whether or not that is the intention. We consider regardless of whether or not that is the intention. We consider that regardless of whether or not that is the intention. We consider that it the intention. We consider that it is the intention. We consider that it is important the intention. We consider that it is important for the intention. We consider that it is important for Parliament the intention. We consider that it is important for Parliament to the intention. We consider that it is important for Parliament to be is important for Parliament to be aware is important for Parliament to be aware of is important for Parliament to be aware of how is important for Parliament to be aware of how the is important for Parliament to be aware of how the public is important for Parliament to be aware of how the public expects aware of how the public expects elected aware of how the public expects elected members aware of how the public expects elected members to aware of how the public expects elected members to behave aware of how the public expects elected members to behave and aware of how the public expects elected members to behave and to elected members to behave and to uphold elected members to behave and to uphold generally-accepted elected members to behave and to uphold generally-accepted standards uphold generally-accepted standards of uphold generally-accepted standards of behaviour. uphold generally-accepted standards of behaviour. We uphold generally-accepted standards of behaviour. We also uphold generally-accepted standards of behaviour. We also consider uphold generally-accepted standards of behaviour. We also consider it's of behaviour. We also consider it's important of behaviour. We also consider it's important for of behaviour. We also consider it's important for all of behaviour. We also consider it's important for all members of behaviour. We also consider it's important for all members to important for all members to recognise important for all members to recognise that important for all members to recognise that the important for all members to recognise that the behaviour recognise that the behaviour discussed recognise that the behaviour discussed in recognise that the behaviour discussed in our recognise that the behaviour discussed in our report recognise that the behaviour discussed in our report is recognise that the behaviour discussed in our report is not discussed in our report is not acceptable discussed in our report is not acceptable and discussed in our report is not acceptable and that discussed in our report is not acceptable and that this discussed in our report is not acceptable and that this is discussed in our report is not acceptable and that this is a acceptable and that this is a serious acceptable and that this is a serious matter. acceptable and that this is a serious matter. We, acceptable and that this is a serious matter. We, therefore, serious matter. We, therefore, recommend serious matter. We, therefore, recommend that serious matter. We, therefore, recommend that Ms serious matter. We, therefore, recommend that Ms Genter serious matter. We, therefore, recommend that Ms Genter be serious matter. We, therefore, recommend that Ms Genter be censured recommend that Ms Genter be censured by recommend that Ms Genter be censured by the recommend that Ms Genter be censured by the House recommend that Ms Genter be censured by the House by recommend that Ms Genter be censured by the House by acting recommend that Ms Genter be censured by the House by acting in recommend that Ms Genter be censured by the House by acting in a recommend that Ms Genter be censured by the House by acting in a manner by the House by acting in a manner that by the House by acting in a manner that could by the House by acting in a manner that could have by the House by acting in a manner that could have an by the House by acting in a manner that could have an effect by the House by acting in a manner that could have an effect of that could have an effect of intimidating that could have an effect of intimidating a that could have an effect of intimidating a member that could have an effect of intimidating a member of that could have an effect of intimidating a member of the that could have an effect of intimidating a member of the House intimidating a member of the House acting intimidating a member of the House acting in intimidating a member of the House acting in the intimidating a member of the House acting in the discharge intimidating a member of the House acting in the discharge of intimidating a member of the House acting in the discharge of their acting in the discharge of their duty. acting in the discharge of their duty. We acting in the discharge of their duty. We therefore acting in the discharge of their duty. We therefore also acting in the discharge of their duty. We therefore also recommend acting in the discharge of their duty. We therefore also recommend Ms duty. We therefore also recommend Ms Genter duty. We therefore also recommend Ms Genter apologise duty. We therefore also recommend Ms Genter apologise to duty. We therefore also recommend Ms Genter apologise to the duty. We therefore also recommend Ms Genter apologise to the House Genter apologise to the House unreservedly Genter apologise to the House unreservedly and Genter apologise to the House unreservedly and without unreservedly and without qualification, unreservedly and without qualification, an unreservedly and without qualification, an action unreservedly and without qualification, an action she unreservedly and without qualification, an action she has unreservedly and without qualification, an action she has now qualification, an action she has now taken. qualification, an action she has now taken. Thank qualification, an action she has now taken. Thank you, qualification, an action she has now taken. Thank you, Mr qualification, an action she has now taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. qualification, an action she has now taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I qualification, an action she has now taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I call taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I call on taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I call on the taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I call on the Hon taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I call on the Hon Duncan taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I call on the Hon Duncan Webb. taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I call on the Hon Duncan Webb. Thank taken. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I call on the Hon Duncan Webb. Thank you, on the Hon Duncan Webb. Thank you, Mr on the Hon Duncan Webb. Thank you, Mr Speaker. on the Hon Duncan Webb. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The on the Hon Duncan Webb. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The chair on the Hon Duncan Webb. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The chair of on the Hon Duncan Webb. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The chair of The Mr Speaker. The chair of The Committee Mr Speaker. The chair of The Committee and Mr Speaker. The chair of The Committee and the Mr Speaker. 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We know that there is an overarching desire to give young overarching desire to give young people overarching desire to give young people growing overarching desire to give young people growing up overarching desire to give young people growing up in overarching desire to give young people growing up in New overarching desire to give young people growing up in New Zealand overarching desire to give young people growing up in New Zealand all people growing up in New Zealand all of people growing up in New Zealand all of the people growing up in New Zealand all of the opportunities people growing up in New Zealand all of the opportunities and people growing up in New Zealand all of the opportunities and incentives of the opportunities and incentives to of the opportunities and incentives to take of the opportunities and incentives to take up of the opportunities and incentives to take up pro-social of the opportunities and incentives to take up pro-social choices, of the opportunities and incentives to take up pro-social choices, to to take up pro-social choices, to have to take up pro-social choices, to have a to take up pro-social choices, to have a productive to take up pro-social choices, to have a productive and to take up pro-social choices, to have a productive and crime-free have a productive and crime-free life, have a productive and crime-free life, and have a productive and crime-free life, and really have a productive and crime-free life, and really by have a productive and crime-free life, and really by having have a productive and crime-free life, and really by having dispersal life, and really by having dispersal notices life, and really by having dispersal notices having life, and really by having dispersal notices having banning life, and really by having dispersal notices having banning gang life, and really by having dispersal notices having banning gang patches notices having banning gang patches and notices having banning gang patches and having notices having banning gang patches and having the notices having banning gang patches and having the impact notices having banning gang patches and having the impact of notices having banning gang patches and having the impact of those, and having the impact of those, there and having the impact of those, there is and having the impact of those, there is some and having the impact of those, there is some quite and having the impact of those, there is some quite good and having the impact of those, there is some quite good research there is some quite good research that there is some quite good research that demonstrates there is some quite good research that demonstrates that there is some quite good research that demonstrates that that there is some quite good research that demonstrates that that just that demonstrates that that just entrenches that demonstrates that that just entrenches those that demonstrates that that just entrenches those whanau that demonstrates that that just entrenches those whanau within that demonstrates that that just entrenches those whanau within those entrenches those whanau within those communities, entrenches those whanau within those communities, it entrenches those whanau within those communities, it removes entrenches those whanau within those communities, it removes those communities, it removes those relationships communities, it removes those relationships with communities, it removes those relationships with the communities, it removes those relationships with the state communities, it removes those relationships with the state that relationships with the state that potentially relationships with the state that potentially could relationships with the state that potentially could facilitate relationships with the state that potentially could facilitate the potentially could facilitate the next potentially could facilitate the next generation potentially could facilitate the next generation of potentially could facilitate the next generation of young potentially could facilitate the next generation of young people next generation of young people making next generation of young people making a next generation of young people making a pro-social next generation of young people making a pro-social choice next generation of young people making a pro-social choice to next generation of young people making a pro-social choice to come making a pro-social choice to come out making a pro-social choice to come out of making a pro-social choice to come out of that making a pro-social choice to come out of that environment. making a pro-social choice to come out of that environment. So making a pro-social choice to come out of that environment. So given out of that environment. So given the out of that environment. So given the significant out of that environment. So given the significant adverse out of that environment. So given the significant adverse impacts out of that environment. So given the significant adverse impacts of the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment as the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment as described the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment as described in imprisonment as described in paragraphs imprisonment as described in paragraphs I imprisonment as described in paragraphs I think imprisonment as described in paragraphs I think 74 imprisonment as described in paragraphs I think 74 to imprisonment as described in paragraphs I think 74 to 46, imprisonment as described in paragraphs I think 74 to 46, on paragraphs I think 74 to 46, on balance, paragraphs I think 74 to 46, on balance, it's paragraphs I think 74 to 46, on balance, it's - paragraphs I think 74 to 46, on balance, it's - the paragraphs I think 74 to 46, on balance, it's - the net paragraphs I think 74 to 46, on balance, it's - the net impact paragraphs I think 74 to 46, on balance, it's - the net impact is balance, it's - the net impact is quite balance, it's - the net impact is quite strongly balance, it's - the net impact is quite strongly negative balance, it's - the net impact is quite strongly negative and balance, it's - the net impact is quite strongly negative and the quite strongly negative and the downstreams quite strongly negative and the downstreams effects quite strongly negative and the downstreams effects also quite strongly negative and the downstreams effects also is quite strongly negative and the downstreams effects also is likely downstreams effects also is likely to downstreams effects also is likely to require downstreams effects also is likely to require additional downstreams effects also is likely to require additional social to require additional social assistance to require additional social assistance as to require additional social assistance as a to require additional social assistance as a result to require additional social assistance as a result of to require additional social assistance as a result of the assistance as a result of the disruption assistance as a result of the disruption to assistance as a result of the disruption to whanau, assistance as a result of the disruption to whanau, particularly disruption to whanau, particularly when disruption to whanau, particularly when one disruption to whanau, particularly when one parent disruption to whanau, particularly when one parent is disruption to whanau, particularly when one parent is on disruption to whanau, particularly when one parent is on remand disruption to whanau, particularly when one parent is on remand or when one parent is on remand or incarcerated. when one parent is on remand or incarcerated. We when one parent is on remand or incarcerated. We also when one parent is on remand or incarcerated. We also see when one parent is on remand or incarcerated. We also see that incarcerated. We also see that playing incarcerated. We also see that playing out incarcerated. We also see that playing out in incarcerated. We also see that playing out in some incarcerated. We also see that playing out in some of incarcerated. We also see that playing out in some of the playing out in some of the statistics playing out in some of the statistics we playing out in some of the statistics we see playing out in some of the statistics we see in playing out in some of the statistics we see in care playing out in some of the statistics we see in care and statistics we see in care and protection statistics we see in care and protection for statistics we see in care and protection for children statistics we see in care and protection for children when statistics we see in care and protection for children when one statistics we see in care and protection for children when one or protection for children when one or more protection for children when one or more parents protection for children when one or more parents had protection for children when one or more parents had been protection for children when one or more parents had been imprisoned. protection for children when one or more parents had been imprisoned. So more parents had been imprisoned. So I'm more parents had been imprisoned. So I'm interested more parents had been imprisoned. So I'm interested to more parents had been imprisoned. So I'm interested to know more parents had been imprisoned. So I'm interested to know what more parents had been imprisoned. So I'm interested to know what work more parents had been imprisoned. So I'm interested to know what work is I'm interested to know what work is being I'm interested to know what work is being done I'm interested to know what work is being done by I'm interested to know what work is being done by the I'm interested to know what work is being done by the Government I'm interested to know what work is being done by the Government to being done by the Government to understand being done by the Government to understand the being done by the Government to understand the down-stream being done by the Government to understand the down-stream impacts understand the down-stream impacts on understand the down-stream impacts on hapu understand the down-stream impacts on hapu and understand the down-stream impacts on hapu and iwi understand the down-stream impacts on hapu and iwi in understand the down-stream impacts on hapu and iwi in New understand the down-stream impacts on hapu and iwi in New Zealand understand the down-stream impacts on hapu and iwi in New Zealand given on hapu and iwi in New Zealand given they on hapu and iwi in New Zealand given they will on hapu and iwi in New Zealand given they will be on hapu and iwi in New Zealand given they will be disproportionately they will be disproportionately affected they will be disproportionately affected by they will be disproportionately affected by this they will be disproportionately affected by this change. they will be disproportionately affected by this change. It they will be disproportionately affected by this change. It notes they will be disproportionately affected by this change. It notes in affected by this change. It notes in the affected by this change. It notes in the regulatory affected by this change. It notes in the regulatory impact affected by this change. It notes in the regulatory impact statement affected by this change. It notes in the regulatory impact statement that the regulatory impact statement that there's the regulatory impact statement that there's likely the regulatory impact statement that there's likely to the regulatory impact statement that there's likely to be the regulatory impact statement that there's likely to be a the regulatory impact statement that there's likely to be a - the regulatory impact statement that there's likely to be a - an the regulatory impact statement that there's likely to be a - an impact there's likely to be a - an impact on there's likely to be a - an impact on the there's likely to be a - an impact on the cohort there's likely to be a - an impact on the cohort of there's likely to be a - an impact on the cohort of tamariki there's likely to be a - an impact on the cohort of tamariki and on the cohort of tamariki and rangatahi on the cohort of tamariki and rangatahi who on the cohort of tamariki and rangatahi who have on the cohort of tamariki and rangatahi who have parents on the cohort of tamariki and rangatahi who have parents and rangatahi who have parents and care-givers rangatahi who have parents and care-givers with rangatahi who have parents and care-givers with gang-affiliations care-givers with gang-affiliations who care-givers with gang-affiliations who will care-givers with gang-affiliations who will become care-givers with gang-affiliations who will become incarcerated care-givers with gang-affiliations who will become incarcerated as care-givers with gang-affiliations who will become incarcerated as a who will become incarcerated as a result who will become incarcerated as a result of who will become incarcerated as a result of that. who will become incarcerated as a result of that. I who will become incarcerated as a result of that. I appreciate who will become incarcerated as a result of that. I appreciate that result of that. I appreciate that the result of that. I appreciate that the Minister result of that. I appreciate that the Minister has result of that. I appreciate that the Minister has stated result of that. I appreciate that the Minister has stated that result of that. I appreciate that the Minister has stated that he the Minister has stated that he wants the Minister has stated that he wants to the Minister has stated that he wants to put the Minister has stated that he wants to put all the Minister has stated that he wants to put all gangs the Minister has stated that he wants to put all gangs on the Minister has stated that he wants to put all gangs on notice the Minister has stated that he wants to put all gangs on notice and wants to put all gangs on notice and wants to put all gangs on notice and wants to put all gangs on notice and that he's wants to put all gangs on notice and that he's going wants to put all gangs on notice and that he's going to wants to put all gangs on notice and that he's going to make wants to put all gangs on notice and that he's going to make it that he's going to make it incredibly that he's going to make it incredibly difficult that he's going to make it incredibly difficult to that he's going to make it incredibly difficult to be that he's going to make it incredibly difficult to be in that he's going to make it incredibly difficult to be in a that he's going to make it incredibly difficult to be in a gang incredibly difficult to be in a gang and incredibly difficult to be in a gang and to incredibly difficult to be in a gang and to be incredibly difficult to be in a gang and to be unpopular incredibly difficult to be in a gang and to be unpopular to incredibly difficult to be in a gang and to be unpopular to be incredibly difficult to be in a gang and to be unpopular to be in incredibly difficult to be in a gang and to be unpopular to be in a incredibly difficult to be in a gang and to be unpopular to be in a gang, and to be unpopular to be in a gang, I and to be unpopular to be in a gang, I would and to be unpopular to be in a gang, I would just and to be unpopular to be in a gang, I would just like and to be unpopular to be in a gang, I would just like to and to be unpopular to be in a gang, I would just like to know and to be unpopular to be in a gang, I would just like to know the and to be unpopular to be in a gang, I would just like to know the fact I would just like to know the fact that I would just like to know the fact that he's I would just like to know the fact that he's turned I would just like to know the fact that he's turned his I would just like to know the fact that he's turned his mind I would just like to know the fact that he's turned his mind to I would just like to know the fact that he's turned his mind to it I would just like to know the fact that he's turned his mind to it to that he's turned his mind to it to young that he's turned his mind to it to young people that he's turned his mind to it to young people who that he's turned his mind to it to young people who will that he's turned his mind to it to young people who will also that he's turned his mind to it to young people who will also be young people who will also be impacted young people who will also be impacted by young people who will also be impacted by these young people who will also be impacted by these legislative impacted by these legislative changes impacted by these legislative changes and impacted by these legislative changes and that impacted by these legislative changes and that he's impacted by these legislative changes and that he's turned impacted by these legislative changes and that he's turned his changes and that he's turned his mind changes and that he's turned his mind to changes and that he's turned his mind to how changes and that he's turned his mind to how he changes and that he's turned his mind to how he will changes and that he's turned his mind to how he will - changes and that he's turned his mind to how he will - if changes and that he's turned his mind to how he will - if he's mind to how he will - if he's concerned mind to how he will - if he's concerned that mind to how he will - if he's concerned that this mind to how he will - if he's concerned that this legislation mind to how he will - if he's concerned that this legislation may concerned that this legislation may just concerned that this legislation may just push concerned that this legislation may just push another concerned that this legislation may just push another generation concerned that this legislation may just push another generation of just push another generation of young just push another generation of young people just push another generation of young people into just push another generation of young people into situations just push another generation of young people into situations where young people into situations where they young people into situations where they don't young people into situations where they don't have young people into situations where they don't have those young people into situations where they don't have those pro-social they don't have those pro-social choices they don't have those pro-social choices available they don't have those pro-social choices available to they don't have those pro-social choices available to them. they don't have those pro-social choices available to them. So they don't have those pro-social choices available to them. So it choices available to them. So it would choices available to them. So it would also choices available to them. So it would also really choices available to them. So it would also really engage would also really engage responsibilities would also really engage responsibilities to would also really engage responsibilities to the would also really engage responsibilities to the state would also really engage responsibilities to the state under responsibilities to the state under the responsibilities to the state under the Oranga responsibilities to the state under the Oranga Tamariki responsibilities to the state under the Oranga Tamariki Act responsibilities to the state under the Oranga Tamariki Act and responsibilities to the state under the Oranga Tamariki Act and I responsibilities to the state under the Oranga Tamariki Act and I would the Oranga Tamariki Act and I would propose the Oranga Tamariki Act and I would propose to the Oranga Tamariki Act and I would propose to the the Oranga Tamariki Act and I would propose to the Minister the Oranga Tamariki Act and I would propose to the Minister that the Oranga Tamariki Act and I would propose to the Minister that the propose to the Minister that the introduction propose to the Minister that the introduction of propose to the Minister that the introduction of this propose to the Minister that the introduction of this legislation introduction of this legislation alongside introduction of this legislation alongside of introduction of this legislation alongside of this introduction of this legislation alongside of this Government's alongside of this Government's proposal alongside of this Government's proposal to alongside of this Government's proposal to remove alongside of this Government's proposal to remove 7AA alongside of this Government's proposal to remove 7AA from alongside of this Government's proposal to remove 7AA from the proposal to remove 7AA from the Oranga proposal to remove 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki proposal to remove 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act proposal to remove 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act would proposal to remove 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act would make proposal to remove 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act would make Maori Oranga Tamariki Act would make Maori tamariki Oranga Tamariki Act would make Maori tamariki and Oranga Tamariki Act would make Maori tamariki and rangatahi Oranga Tamariki Act would make Maori tamariki and rangatahi even Oranga Tamariki Act would make Maori tamariki and rangatahi even more tamariki and rangatahi even more susceptible tamariki and rangatahi even more susceptible by tamariki and rangatahi even more susceptible by mismanagement tamariki and rangatahi even more susceptible by mismanagement of tamariki and rangatahi even more susceptible by mismanagement of the susceptible by mismanagement of the state susceptible by mismanagement of the state if susceptible by mismanagement of the state if they susceptible by mismanagement of the state if they have susceptible by mismanagement of the state if they have a susceptible by mismanagement of the state if they have a primary state if they have a primary caregiver state if they have a primary caregiver who state if they have a primary caregiver who is state if they have a primary caregiver who is no state if they have a primary caregiver who is no longer state if they have a primary caregiver who is no longer able state if they have a primary caregiver who is no longer able to state if they have a primary take up state if they have a primary take up that state if they have a primary take up that role state if they have a primary take up that role as state if they have a primary take up that role as a state if they have a primary take up that role as a result state if they have a primary take up that role as a result of take up that role as a result of incarceration. take up that role as a result of incarceration. So take up that role as a result of incarceration. So I'm take up that role as a result of incarceration. So I'm really take up that role as a result of incarceration. So I'm really keen take up that role as a result of incarceration. So I'm really keen to incarceration. So I'm really keen to understand incarceration. So I'm really keen to understand the incarceration. So I'm really keen to understand the significant incarceration. So I'm really keen to understand the significant adverse understand the significant adverse impacts understand the significant adverse impacts of understand the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment understand the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment on understand the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment on the understand the significant adverse impacts of imprisonment on the next impacts of imprisonment on the next generation impacts of imprisonment on the next generation of impacts of imprisonment on the next generation of young impacts of imprisonment on the next generation of young people impacts of imprisonment on the next generation of young people in impacts of imprisonment on the next generation of young people in New generation of young people in New Zealand generation of young people in New Zealand given generation of young people in New Zealand given the generation of young people in New Zealand given the fact generation of young people in New Zealand given the fact that generation of young people in New Zealand given the fact that those Zealand given the fact that those who Zealand given the fact that those who this Zealand given the fact that those who this legislation Zealand given the fact that those who this legislation is Zealand given the fact that those who this legislation is targeted Zealand given the fact that those who this legislation is targeted to who this legislation is targeted to is who this legislation is targeted to is heavily who this legislation is targeted to is heavily disproportionately is heavily disproportionately weighted is heavily disproportionately weighted in is heavily disproportionately weighted in the is heavily disproportionately weighted in the fact is heavily disproportionately weighted in the fact of is heavily disproportionately weighted in the fact of young is heavily disproportionately weighted in the fact of young Maori weighted in the fact of young Maori and weighted in the fact of young Maori and also weighted in the fact of young Maori and also male, weighted in the fact of young Maori and also male, and weighted in the fact of young Maori and also male, and the weighted in the fact of young Maori and also male, and the impacts weighted in the fact of young Maori and also male, and the impacts upon and also male, and the impacts upon their and also male, and the impacts upon and and also male, and the impacts upon their whanau, their and also male, and the impacts upon their whanau, their iwi and also male, and the impacts upon their whanau, their iwi and and also male, and the impacts upon their whanau, their iwi and their their whanau, their iwi and their hapu. their whanau, their iwi and their hapu. The their whanau, their iwi and their hapu. The Hon their whanau, their iwi and their hapu. The Hon Duncan their whanau, their iwi and their hapu. The Hon Duncan Webb. their whanau, their iwi and their hapu. The Hon Duncan Webb. I their whanau, their iwi and their hapu. The Hon Duncan Webb. I start hapu. The Hon Duncan Webb. I start with hapu. The Hon Duncan Webb. I start with pointing hapu. The Hon Duncan Webb. I start with pointing out hapu. The Hon Duncan Webb. I start with pointing out that hapu. The Hon Duncan Webb. I start with pointing out that in hapu. The Hon Duncan Webb. I start with pointing out that in the with pointing out that in the previous with pointing out that in the previous session with pointing out that in the previous session where with pointing out that in the previous session where we with pointing out that in the previous session where we considered previous session where we considered this, previous session where we considered this, I previous session where we considered this, I asked previous session where we considered this, I asked a previous session where we considered this, I asked a question previous session where we considered this, I asked a question about previous session where we considered this, I asked a question about named this, I asked a question about named people this, I asked a question about named people and this, I asked a question about named people and the this, I asked a question about named people and the need this, I asked a question about named people and the need for this, I asked a question about named people and the need for everyone this, I asked a question about named people and the need for everyone who people and the need for everyone who is people and the need for everyone who is a people and the need for everyone who is a named people and the need for everyone who is a named person people and the need for everyone who is a named person of people and the need for everyone who is a named person of dispersal is a named person of dispersal notice is a named person of dispersal notice which is a named person of dispersal notice which is is a named person of dispersal notice which is in is a named person of dispersal notice which is in clause is a named person of dispersal notice which is in clause 4 is a named person of dispersal notice which is in clause 4 and is a named person of dispersal notice which is in clause 4 and I notice which is in clause 4 and I got notice which is in clause 4 and I got an notice which is in clause 4 and I got an amendment notice which is in clause 4 and I got an amendment paper notice which is in clause 4 and I got an amendment paper A notice which is in clause 4 and I got an amendment paper A dealing got an amendment paper A dealing with got an amendment paper A dealing with it, got an amendment paper A dealing with it, a got an amendment paper A dealing with it, a need got an amendment paper A dealing with it, a need for got an amendment paper A dealing with it, a need for them got an amendment paper A dealing with it, a need for them all got an amendment paper A dealing with it, a need for them all to got an amendment paper A dealing with it, a need for them all to be with it, a need for them all to be served, with it, a need for them all to be served, so with it, a need for them all to be served, so that with it, a need for them all to be served, so that you with it, a need for them all to be served, so that you don't with it, a need for them all to be served, so that you don't get with it, a need for them all to be served, so that you don't get the served, so that you don't get the anomaly served, so that you don't get the anomaly where served, so that you don't get the anomaly where one served, so that you don't get the anomaly where one person served, so that you don't get the anomaly where one person can anomaly where one person can associate anomaly where one person can associate with anomaly where one person can associate with the anomaly where one person can associate with the others, anomaly where one person can associate with the others, but anomaly where one person can associate with the others, but they associate with the others, but they can't associate with the others, but they can't associate associate with the others, but they can't associate with associate with the others, but they can't associate with them. associate with the others, but they can't associate with them. 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So in terms of a young person, a 13-year-old, wearing a person, a 13-year-old, wearing a gang person, a 13-year-old, wearing a gang patch person, a 13-year-old, wearing a gang patch or person, a 13-year-old, wearing a gang patch or engaging person, a 13-year-old, wearing a gang patch or engaging in person, a 13-year-old, wearing a gang patch or engaging in disruptive gang patch or engaging in disruptive behaviour, gang patch or engaging in disruptive behaviour, what's gang patch or engaging in disruptive behaviour, what's the gang patch or engaging in disruptive behaviour, what's the interface behaviour, what's the interface there? behaviour, what's the interface there? So behaviour, what's the interface there? So in behaviour, what's the interface there? So in terms behaviour, what's the interface there? So in terms of behaviour, what's the interface there? So in terms of the behaviour, what's the interface there? So in terms of the purpose behaviour, what's the interface there? So in terms of the purpose of there? So in terms of the purpose of the there? So in terms of the purpose of the bill there? So in terms of the purpose of the bill as there? So in terms of the purpose of the bill as a there? So in terms of the purpose of the bill as a whole, there? So in terms of the purpose of the bill as a whole, the there? So in terms of the purpose of the bill as a whole, the Minister the bill as a whole, the Minister just the bill as a whole, the Minister just spoke the bill as a whole, the Minister just spoke to the bill as a whole, the Minister just spoke to those, the bill as a whole, the Minister just spoke to those, I the bill as a whole, the Minister just spoke to those, I think, the bill as a whole, the Minister just spoke to those, I think, it the bill as a whole, the Minister just spoke to those, I think, it was just spoke to those, I think, it was four just spoke to those, I think, it was four over just spoke to those, I think, it was four over arching just spoke to those, I think, it was four over arching purposes, just spoke to those, I think, it was four over arching purposes, but just spoke to those, I think, it was four over arching purposes, but how four over arching purposes, but how does four over arching purposes, but how does that four over arching purposes, but how does that fit four over arching purposes, but how does that fit with four over arching purposes, but how does that fit with children? four over arching purposes, but how does that fit with children? Because does that fit with children? Because these does that fit with children? Because these are does that fit with children? Because these are quasi does that fit with children? Because these are quasi criminal, does that fit with children? Because these are quasi criminal, kind does that fit with children? 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be enforced and that this law may well undermine the ability of to be enforced and that this law may well undermine the ability of the well undermine the ability of the police well undermine the ability of the police to well undermine the ability of the police to do well undermine the ability of the police to do their well undermine the ability of the police to do their job well undermine the ability of the police to do their job and well undermine the ability of the police to do their job and be well undermine the ability of the police to do their job and be seen police to do their job and be seen by police to do their job and be seen by people police to do their job and be seen by people in police to do their job and be seen by people in New police to do their job and be seen by people in New Zealand police to do their job and be seen by people in New Zealand that police to do their job and be seen by people in New Zealand that police by people in New Zealand that police are by 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it's only applied in Auckland and not in the law if it's only applied in Auckland and not in Kikoi. the law if it's only applied in Auckland and not in Kikoi. 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It raises real concerns and I think the raises real concerns and I think the Minister raises real concerns and I think the Minister needs raises real concerns and I think the Minister needs to raises real concerns and I think the Minister needs to address raises real concerns and I think the Minister needs to address some raises real concerns and I think the Minister needs to address some of Minister needs to address some of those. 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It's based really on the fact that believe are missing. It's based really on the fact that what believe are missing. It's based really on the fact that what we believe are missing. It's based really on the fact that what we know really on the fact that what we know and really on the fact that what we know and understand really on the fact that what we know and understand around really on the fact that what we know and understand around things really on the fact that what we know and understand around things like and understand around things like Maori and understand around things like Maori incarceration and understand around things like Maori incarceration as and understand around things like Maori incarceration as a and understand around things like Maori incarceration as a country, Maori incarceration as a country, around Maori incarceration as a country, around things Maori incarceration as a country, around things like Maori incarceration as a country, around things like poverty Maori incarceration as a country, around things like poverty Maori around things like poverty Maori endure around things like poverty Maori endure and around things like poverty Maori endure and have around things like poverty Maori endure and have endured around things like poverty Maori endure and have endured for endure and have endured for centuries endure and have endured for centuries as endure and have endured for centuries as a endure and have endured for centuries as a country, endure and have endured for centuries as a country, the endure and have endured for centuries as a country, the things centuries as a country, the things we centuries as a country, the things we already centuries as a country, the things we already know centuries as a country, the things we already know - centuries as a country, the things we already know - Maori centuries as a country, the things we already know - Maori are we already know - Maori are overrepresented we already know - Maori are overrepresented in we already know - Maori are overrepresented in incarceration overrepresented in incarceration figures, overrepresented in incarceration figures, as overrepresented in incarceration figures, as we overrepresented in incarceration figures, as we know. overrepresented in incarceration figures, as we know. 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You know, as a result of illegal purchases or invasion and illegal purchases or invasion and confiscation illegal purchases or invasion and confiscation of illegal purchases or invasion and confiscation of lands, illegal purchases or invasion and confiscation of lands, effectively confiscation of lands, effectively castrating confiscation of lands, effectively castrating Maori confiscation of lands, effectively castrating Maori economically, confiscation of lands, effectively castrating Maori economically, the castrating Maori economically, the displacement castrating Maori economically, the displacement of castrating Maori economically, the displacement of Maori castrating Maori economically, the displacement of Maori through displacement of Maori through education. displacement of Maori through education. These displacement of Maori through education. These are displacement of Maori through education. These are all displacement of Maori through education. These are all things displacement of Maori through education. These are all things that education. These are all things that led education. These are all things that led to education. These are all things that led to the education. These are all things that led to the impoverishment education. These are all things that led to the impoverishment of education. These are all things that led to the impoverishment of Maori. led to the impoverishment of Maori. They're led to the impoverishment of Maori. They're the led to the impoverishment of Maori. They're the things led to the impoverishment of Maori. They're the things that led to the impoverishment of Maori. They're the things that underpin They're the things that underpin what They're the things that underpin what grew They're the things that underpin what grew out They're the things that underpin what grew out of They're the things that underpin what grew out of that They're the things that underpin what grew out of that improve what grew out of that improve richment. what grew out of that improve richment. The what grew out of that improve richment. The social what grew out of that improve richment. The social displacement richment. The social displacement and richment. The social displacement and deprivation richment. The social displacement and deprivation of richment. The social displacement and deprivation of Maori. richment. The social displacement and deprivation of Maori. As richment. The social displacement and deprivation of Maori. As a and deprivation of Maori. As a result and deprivation of Maori. As a result of and deprivation of Maori. As a result of these and deprivation of Maori. As a result of these things, and deprivation of Maori. As a result of these things, you and deprivation of Maori. As a result of these things, you know, result of these things, you know, and result of these things, you know, and the result of these things, you know, and the fact result of these things, you know, and the fact that, result of these things, you know, and the fact that, as result of these things, you know, and the fact that, as the result of these things, you know, and the fact that, as the country and the fact that, as the country began and the fact that, as the country began to and the fact that, as the country began to develop and the fact that, as the country began to develop post and the fact that, as the country began to develop post the and the fact that, as the country began to develop post the wars, began to develop post the wars, there began to develop post the wars, there was began to develop post the wars, there was a began to develop post the wars, there was a significant began to develop post the wars, there was a significant and began to develop post the wars, there was a significant and intense there was a significant and intense privileging there was a significant and intense privileging of there was a significant and intense privileging of the there was a significant and intense privileging of the Pakeha there was a significant and intense privileging of the Pakeha partner there was a significant and intense privileging of the Pakeha partner in privileging of the Pakeha partner in the privileging of the Pakeha partner in the Treaty privileging of the Pakeha partner in the Treaty of privileging of the Pakeha partner in the Treaty of Waitangi privileging of the Pakeha partner in the Treaty of Waitangi as privileging of the Pakeha partner in the Treaty of Waitangi as returned the Treaty of Waitangi as returned servicemen the Treaty of Waitangi as returned servicemen were the Treaty of Waitangi as returned servicemen were granted the Treaty of Waitangi as returned servicemen were granted more the Treaty of Waitangi as returned servicemen were granted more than servicemen were granted more than 800,000 servicemen were granted more than 800,000 acres servicemen were granted more than 800,000 acres of servicemen were granted more than 800,000 acres of farmable servicemen were granted more than 800,000 acres of farmable land servicemen were granted more than 800,000 acres of farmable land to 800,000 acres of farmable land to develop 800,000 acres of farmable land to develop farms 800,000 acres of farmable land to develop farms for 800,000 acres of farmable land to develop farms for their 800,000 acres of farmable land to develop farms for their Fahmy. 800,000 acres of farmable land to develop farms for their Fahmy. Maori develop farms for their Fahmy. Maori were develop farms for their Fahmy. Maori were left develop farms for their Fahmy. Maori were left out develop farms for their Fahmy. Maori were left out of develop farms for their Fahmy. Maori were left out of that... develop farms for their Fahmy. Maori were left out of that... Mr develop farms for their Fahmy. Maori were left out of that... Mr rris, develop farms for their Fahmy. Maori were left out of that... Mr rris, I were left out of that... Mr rris, I remind were left out of that... Mr rris, I remind you were left out of that... Mr rris, I remind you we're were left out of that... Mr rris, I remind you we're on were left out of that... Mr rris, I remind you we're on part were left out of that... Mr rris, I remind you we're on part one were left out of that... Mr rris, I remind you we're on part one of were left out of that... Mr rris, I remind you we're on part one of this remind you we're on part one of this bill remind you we're on part one of this bill and remind you we're on part one of this bill and you remind you we're on part one of this bill and you need remind you we're on part one of this bill and you need to remind you we're on part one of this bill and you need to start bill and you need to start contexting bill and you need to start contexting that bill and you need to start contexting that and bill and you need to start contexting that and referring bill and you need to start contexting that and referring back contexting that and referring back to contexting that and referring back to the contexting that and referring back to the bill. contexting that and referring back to the bill. I'm contexting that and referring back to the bill. I'm setting contexting that and referring back to the bill. I'm setting the contexting that and referring back to the bill. I'm setting the scene to the bill. 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Which means that the efforts of the current government are more of the current government are more about of the current government are more about dealing of the current government are more about dealing with of the current government are more about dealing with symptoms of the current government are more about dealing with symptoms of about dealing with symptoms of problems about dealing with symptoms of problems rather about dealing with symptoms of problems rather than about dealing with symptoms of problems rather than addressing about dealing with symptoms of problems rather than addressing root problems rather than addressing root cause problems rather than addressing root cause of problems rather than addressing root cause of problems. problems rather than addressing root cause of problems. So problems rather than addressing root cause of problems. So it's problems rather than addressing root cause of problems. So it's clear problems rather than addressing root cause of problems. So it's clear to cause of problems. So it's clear to me cause of problems. So it's clear to me that cause of problems. So it's clear to me that this cause of problems. So it's clear to me that this side cause of problems. So it's clear to me that this side of cause of problems. So it's clear to me that this side of the cause of problems. So it's clear to me that this side of the House cause of problems. So it's clear to me that this side of the House has me that this side of the House has no me that this side of the House has no desire me that this side of the House has no desire to me that this side of the House has no desire to ask me that this side of the House has no desire to ask themselves me that this side of the House has no desire to ask themselves what's no desire to ask themselves what's the no desire to ask themselves what's the impact no desire to ask themselves what's the impact of no desire to ask themselves what's the impact of their no desire to ask themselves what's the impact of their ideas no desire to ask themselves what's the impact of their ideas or no desire to ask themselves what's the impact of their ideas or the the impact of their ideas or the bills the impact of their ideas or the bills they're the impact of their ideas or the bills they're putting the impact of their ideas or the bills they're putting forward the impact of their ideas or the bills they're putting forward on bills they're putting forward on Maori. bills they're putting forward on Maori. 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And further, my assumption is because we have Maori cemeteries on because we have Maori cemeteries on whenua because we have Maori cemeteries on whenua Maori, because we have Maori cemeteries on whenua Maori, I'd because we have Maori cemeteries on whenua Maori, I'd like because we have Maori cemeteries on whenua Maori, I'd like to because we have Maori cemeteries on whenua Maori, I'd like to understand whenua Maori, I'd like to understand if whenua Maori, I'd like to understand if whenua whenua Maori, I'd like to understand if whenua Maori, whenua Maori, I'd like to understand if whenua Maori, Maori whenua Maori, I'd like to understand if whenua Maori, Maori reservations if whenua Maori, Maori reservations for if whenua Maori, Maori reservations for the if whenua Maori, Maori reservations for the purposes if whenua Maori, Maori reservations for the purposes of if whenua Maori, Maori reservations for the purposes of cemeteries if whenua Maori, Maori reservations for the purposes of cemeteries are for the purposes of cemeteries are deemed for the purposes of cemeteries are deemed public for the purposes of cemeteries are deemed public or for the purposes of cemeteries are deemed public or not for the purposes of cemeteries are deemed public or not for for the purposes of cemeteries are deemed public or not for this deemed public or not for this legislation. deemed public or not for this legislation. So deemed public or not for this legislation. So these deemed public or not for this legislation. So these are deemed public or not for this legislation. So these are things legislation. So these are things that legislation. So these are things that I legislation. So these are things that I think legislation. So these are things that I think are legislation. So these are things that I think are really legislation. So these are things that I think are really important that I think are really important for that I think are really important for the that I think are really important for the Maori that I think are really important for the Maori community that I think are really important for the Maori community to for the Maori community to understand for the Maori community to understand in for the Maori community to understand in terms for the Maori community to understand in terms of for the Maori community to understand in terms of how for the Maori community to understand in terms of how this understand in terms of how this legislation understand in terms of how this legislation will understand in terms of how this legislation will be understand in terms of how this legislation will be interpreted understand in terms of how this legislation will be interpreted by legislation will be interpreted by the legislation will be interpreted by the police legislation will be interpreted by the police because legislation will be interpreted by the police because ultimately legislation will be interpreted by the police because ultimately it the police because ultimately it will the police because ultimately it will be the police because ultimately it will be the the police because ultimately it will be the police the police because ultimately it will be the police in the police because ultimately it will be the police in rural the police because ultimately it will be the police in rural Maori will be the police in rural Maori communities will be the police in rural Maori communities who will be the police in rural Maori communities who will will be the police in rural Maori communities who will have will be the police in rural Maori communities who will have to will be the police in rural Maori communities who will have to manage communities who will have to manage this communities who will have to manage this situation. communities who will have to manage this situation. So communities who will have to manage this situation. So I communities who will have to manage this situation. So I do communities who will have to manage this situation. So I do want communities who will have to manage this situation. So I do want to communities who will have to manage this situation. So I do want to ask this situation. So I do want to ask what this situation. So I do want to ask what feedback this situation. So I do want to ask what feedback has this situation. So I do want to ask what feedback has the this situation. So I do want to ask what feedback has the police this situation. So I do want to ask what feedback has the police given what feedback has the police given to what feedback has the police given to the what feedback has the police given to the Minister what feedback has the police given to the Minister to what feedback has the police given to the Minister to prevent what feedback has the police given to the Minister to prevent around to the Minister to prevent around their to the Minister to prevent around their ability? to the Minister to prevent around their ability? So to the Minister to prevent around their ability? So this to the Minister to prevent around their ability? So this is to the Minister to prevent around their ability? So this is asking to the Minister to prevent around their ability? So this is asking the their ability? So this is asking the police their ability? So this is asking the police - their ability? So this is asking the police - have their ability? So this is asking the police - have you their ability? So this is asking the police - have you asked their ability? So this is asking the police - have you asked the their ability? So this is asking the police - have you asked the police police - have you asked the police their police - have you asked the police their ability police - have you asked the police their ability to police - have you asked the police their ability to prevent police - have you asked the police their ability to prevent gang their ability to prevent gang members their ability to prevent gang members from their ability to prevent gang members from gathering their ability to prevent gang members from gathering in their ability to prevent gang members from gathering in public members from gathering in public places? members from gathering in public places? Because members from gathering in public places? Because they members from gathering in public places? Because they have members from gathering in public places? Because they have the members from gathering in public places? Because they have the lived places? Because they have the lived experience. places? Because they have the lived experience. They places? Because they have the lived experience. They have places? Because they have the lived experience. They have the places? Because they have the lived experience. They have the knowledge experience. They have the knowledge in experience. They have the knowledge in terms experience. They have the knowledge in terms of experience. They have the knowledge in terms of what's experience. They have the knowledge in terms of what's it experience. They have the knowledge in terms of what's it practically in terms of what's it practically going in terms of what's it practically going to in terms of what's it practically going to look in terms of what's it practically going to look like? in terms of what's it practically going to look like? So in terms of what's it practically going to look like? 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Gang support their loved ones. Gang members support their loved ones. Gang members could support their loved ones. Gang members could be support their loved ones. Gang members could be targeted support their loved ones. Gang members could be targeted and support their loved ones. 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Are the areas around the hearse and then the public... Are the areas around the marae hearse and then the public... Are the areas around the marae deemed the areas around the marae deemed public the areas around the marae deemed public because the areas around the marae deemed public because some the areas around the marae deemed public because some of the areas around the marae deemed public because some of our the areas around the marae deemed public because some of our marae public because some of our marae open public because some of our marae open onto public because some of our marae open onto streets? public because some of our marae open onto streets? And public because some of our marae open onto streets? And what public because some of our marae open onto streets? And what has public because some of our marae open onto streets? And what has the open onto streets? And what has the police open onto streets? And what has the police given open onto streets? And what has the police given you open onto streets? And what has the police given you as open onto streets? And what has the police given you as feedback open onto streets? And what has the police given you as feedback around police given you as feedback around how police given you as feedback around how on police given you as feedback around how on earth police given you as feedback around how on earth they're police given you as feedback around how on earth they're going police given you as feedback around how on earth they're going to how on earth they're going to prevent how on earth they're going to prevent gang how on earth they're going to prevent gang members how on earth they're going to prevent gang members from how on earth they're going to prevent gang members from gathering prevent gang members from gathering in prevent gang members from gathering in public prevent gang members from gathering in public places. prevent gang members from gathering in public places. 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Not the purposes of this bill, and the procedure is utterly woeful. Not one procedure is utterly woeful. Not one citizen procedure is utterly woeful. Not one citizen gets procedure is utterly woeful. Not one citizen gets a procedure is utterly woeful. Not one citizen gets a chance procedure is utterly woeful. Not one citizen gets a chance to procedure is utterly woeful. Not one citizen gets a chance to have procedure is utterly woeful. Not one citizen gets a chance to have a procedure is utterly woeful. 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I think the clarity around the police competence to around the police competence to understand around the police competence to understand the around the police competence to understand the legal around the police competence to understand the legal requirements around the police competence to understand the legal requirements of understand the legal requirements of the understand the legal requirements of the purpose understand the legal requirements of the purpose of understand the legal requirements of the purpose of a understand the legal requirements of the purpose of a search understand the legal requirements of the purpose of a search and understand the legal requirements of the purpose of a search and to the purpose of a search and to maintain the purpose of a search and to maintain that the purpose of a search and to maintain that purpose the purpose of a search and to maintain that purpose within the purpose of a search and to maintain that purpose within its maintain that purpose within its remit maintain that purpose within its remit when maintain that purpose within its remit when they maintain that purpose within its remit when they do maintain that purpose within its remit when they do any maintain that purpose within its remit when they do any kind maintain that purpose within its remit when they do any kind of remit when they do any kind of search, remit when they do any kind of search, but remit when they do any kind of search, but I remit when they do any kind of search, but I think remit when they do any kind of search, but I think to remit when they do any kind of search, but I think to clarify, remit when they do any kind of search, but I think to clarify, the search, but I think to clarify, the prohibition search, but I think to clarify, the prohibition order, search, but I think to clarify, the prohibition order, and search, but I think to clarify, the prohibition order, and as search, but I think to clarify, the prohibition order, and as the search, but I think to clarify, the prohibition order, and as the member prohibition order, and as the member outlined, prohibition order, and as the member outlined, there prohibition order, and as the member outlined, there are prohibition order, and as the member outlined, there are clearly outlined, there are clearly exemptions outlined, there are clearly exemptions around outlined, there are clearly exemptions around that outlined, there are clearly exemptions around that display exemptions around that display process exemptions around that display process so exemptions around that display process so it exemptions around that display process so it is exemptions around that display process so it is unlikely exemptions around that display process so it is unlikely that exemptions around that display process so it is unlikely that a process so it is unlikely that a former process so it is unlikely that a former gang process so it is unlikely that a former gang member process so it is unlikely that a former gang member who process so it is unlikely that a former gang member who is process so it is unlikely that a former gang member who is doing process so it is unlikely that a former gang member who is doing art former gang member who is doing art will former gang member who is doing art will subject former gang member who is doing art will subject to former gang member who is doing art will subject to a former gang member who is doing art will subject to a prohibition former gang member who is doing art will subject to a prohibition order will subject to a prohibition order given will subject to a prohibition order given that will subject to a prohibition order given that the will subject to a prohibition order given that the member will subject to a prohibition order given that the member has will subject to a prohibition order given that the member has just given that the member has just referred given that the member has just referred to given that the member has just referred to them given that the member has just referred to them as given that the member has just referred to them as being given that the member has just referred to them as being a given that the member has just referred to them as being a former referred to them as being a former gang referred to them as being a former gang member referred to them as being a former gang member who's referred to them as being a former gang member who's now referred to them as being a former gang member who's now doing referred to them as being a former gang member who's now doing art. referred to them as being a former gang member who's now doing art. So gang member who's now doing art. So I gang member who's now doing art. So I think gang member who's now doing art. So I think it's gang member who's now doing art. So I think it's really gang member who's now doing art. So I think it's really important gang member who's now doing art. So I think it's really important to gang member who's now doing art. So I think it's really important to - I think it's really important to - to I think it's really important to - to separate I think it's really important to - to separate the I think it's really important to - to separate the issues I think it's really important to - to separate the issues and I think it's really important to - to separate the issues and ensure to separate the issues and ensure that to separate the issues and ensure that we to separate the issues and ensure that we are to separate the issues and ensure that we are talking to separate the issues and ensure that we are talking about to separate the issues and ensure that we are talking about a that we are talking about a prohibition that we are talking about a prohibition order that we are talking about a prohibition order applied that we are talking about a prohibition order applied for prohibition order applied for through prohibition order applied for through the prohibition order applied for through the court prohibition order applied for through the court process prohibition order applied for through the court process and prohibition order applied for through the court process and that prohibition order applied for through the court process and that a through the court process and that a - through the court process and that a - a through the court process and that a - a maximum through the court process and that a - a maximum penalty through the court process and that a - a maximum penalty to through the court process and that a - a maximum penalty to be through the court process and that a - a maximum penalty to be applied through the court process and that a - a maximum penalty to be applied is - a maximum penalty to be applied is not - a maximum penalty to be applied is not the - a maximum penalty to be applied is not the police - a maximum penalty to be applied is not the police throwing - a maximum penalty to be applied is not the police throwing them - a maximum penalty to be applied is not the police throwing them in not the police throwing them in prison not the police throwing them in prison for not the police throwing them in prison for a not the police throwing them in prison for a year not the police throwing them in prison for a year and not the police throwing them in prison for a year and I not the police throwing them in prison for a year and I think not the police throwing them in prison for a year and I think we prison for a year and I think we need prison for a year and I think we need to prison for a year and I think we need to make prison for a year and I think we need to make sure prison for a year and I think we need to make sure we prison for a year and I think we need to make sure we retain prison for a year and I think we need to make sure we retain that need to make sure we retain that context need to make sure we retain that context in need to make sure we retain that context in that need to make sure we retain that context in that space. need to make sure we retain that context in that space. 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If this is not an isolated problem, right, so there you go. If this is not an isolated problem, right, that's so there you go. If this is not an isolated problem, right, that's the isolated problem, right, that's the gravestone isolated problem, right, that's the gravestone that isolated problem, right, that's the gravestone that has isolated problem, right, that's the gravestone that has - isolated problem, right, that's the gravestone that has - that isolated problem, right, that's the gravestone that has - that one isolated problem, right, that's the gravestone that has - that one has isolated problem, right, that's the gravestone that has - that one has a gravestone that has - that one has a Mongrel gravestone that has - that one has a Mongrel Mob gravestone that has - that one has a Mongrel Mob emblem gravestone that has - that one has a Mongrel Mob emblem on gravestone that has - that one has a Mongrel Mob emblem on it. gravestone that has - that one has a Mongrel Mob emblem on it. And gravestone that has - that one has a Mongrel Mob emblem on it. And I'm Mongrel Mob emblem on it. And I'm aware Mongrel Mob emblem on it. And I'm aware that Mongrel Mob emblem on it. And I'm aware that many Mongrel Mob emblem on it. And I'm aware that many civic Mongrel Mob emblem on it. And I'm aware that many civic grave Mongrel Mob emblem on it. And I'm aware that many civic grave yards aware that many civic grave yards now aware that many civic grave yards now have aware that many civic grave yards now have rules aware that many civic grave yards now have rules in aware that many civic grave yards now have rules in place aware that many civic grave yards now have rules in place which aware that many civic grave yards now have rules in place which don't now have rules in place which don't allow now have rules in place which don't allow gang now have rules in place which don't allow gang emblems now have rules in place which don't allow gang emblems on now have rules in place which don't allow gang emblems on gravestones allow gang emblems on gravestones but allow gang emblems on gravestones but these allow gang emblems on gravestones but these - allow gang emblems on gravestones but these - a allow gang emblems on gravestones but these - a quick allow gang emblems on gravestones but these - a quick search allow gang emblems on gravestones but these - a quick search shows allow gang emblems on gravestones but these - a quick search shows up but these - a quick search shows up numerous but these - a quick search shows up numerous gravestones but these - a quick search shows up numerous gravestones with but these - a quick search shows up numerous gravestones with gang numerous gravestones with gang insignia numerous gravestones with gang insignia on numerous gravestones with gang insignia on them. numerous gravestones with gang insignia on them. Now, numerous gravestones with gang insignia on them. Now, the numerous gravestones with gang insignia on them. Now, the occupier insignia on them. Now, the occupier of insignia on them. Now, the occupier of gravard insignia on them. Now, the occupier of gravard -- insignia on them. Now, the occupier of gravard -- grave insignia on them. Now, the occupier of gravard -- grave yards insignia on them. Now, the occupier of gravard -- grave yards is insignia on them. Now, the occupier of gravard -- grave yards is usually of gravard -- grave yards is usually a of gravard -- grave yards is usually a local of gravard -- grave yards is usually a local body of gravard -- grave yards is usually a local body and of gravard -- grave yards is usually a local body and so of gravard -- grave yards is usually a local body and so this of gravard -- grave yards is usually a local body and so this is of gravard -- grave yards is usually a local body and so this is - of gravard -- grave yards is usually a local body and so this is - this a local body and so this is - this flies a local body and so this is - this flies right a local body and so this is - this flies right in a local body and so this is - this flies right in the a local body and so this is - this flies right in the face a local body and so this is - this flies right in the face of a local body and so this is - this flies right in the face of this flies right in the face of this bill, flies right in the face of this bill, right. flies right in the face of this bill, right. So flies right in the face of this bill, right. So this flies right in the face of this bill, right. So this is flies right in the face of this bill, right. So this is the flies right in the face of this bill, right. So this is the - flies right in the face of this bill, right. So this is the - this bill, right. So this is the - this is bill, right. So this is the - this is the bill, right. So this is the - this is the dog's bill, right. So this is the - this is the dog's breakfast bill, right. So this is the - this is the dog's breakfast that bill, right. So this is the - this is the dog's breakfast that we bill, right. So this is the - this is the dog's breakfast that we have is the dog's breakfast that we have got is the dog's breakfast that we have got here, is the dog's breakfast that we have got here, right? is the dog's breakfast that we have got here, right? Is is the dog's breakfast that we have got here, right? Is that is the dog's breakfast that we have got here, right? 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Is that they're rushing through this restriction of rushing through this restriction of free rushing through this restriction of free speech, rushing through this restriction of free speech, they rushing through this restriction of free speech, they have rushing through this restriction of free speech, they have done rushing through this restriction of free speech, they have done it rushing through this restriction of free speech, they have done it in rushing through this restriction of free speech, they have done it in a free speech, they have done it in a kind free speech, they have done it in a kind of free speech, they have done it in a kind of all-encompassing free speech, they have done it in a kind of all-encompassing way free speech, they have done it in a kind of all-encompassing way with free speech, they have done it in a kind of all-encompassing way with a kind of all-encompassing way with a few kind of all-encompassing way with a few carve-outs kind of all-encompassing way with a few carve-outs rather kind of all-encompassing way with a few carve-outs rather than kind of all-encompassing way with a few carve-outs rather than saying, few carve-outs rather than saying, "We're few carve-outs rather than saying, "We're addressing few carve-outs rather than saying, "We're addressing gang few carve-outs rather than saying, "We're addressing gang patches few carve-outs rather than saying, "We're addressing gang patches which "We're addressing gang patches which are "We're addressing gang patches which are used "We're addressing gang patches which are used to "We're addressing gang patches which are used to intimidate", "We're addressing gang patches which are used to intimidate", which "We're addressing gang patches which are used to intimidate", which was are used to intimidate", which was one are used to intimidate", which was one proposal, are used to intimidate", which was one proposal, they're are used to intimidate", which was one proposal, they're actually are used to intimidate", which was one proposal, they're actually - are used to intimidate", which was one proposal, they're actually - no, one proposal, they're actually - no, they're one proposal, they're actually - no, they're not one proposal, they're actually - no, they're not supposed one proposal, they're actually - no, they're not supposed to one proposal, they're actually - no, they're not supposed to take one proposal, they're actually - no, they're not supposed to take photos they're not supposed to take photos in they're not supposed to take photos in a they're not supposed to take photos in a house. they're not supposed to take photos in a house. 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And a gravestonestone like that but they're out there. And we a gravestonestone like that but they're out there. And we have a gravestonestone like that but they're out there. And we have now they're out there. And we have now got they're out there. And we have now got to they're out there. And we have now got to address they're out there. And we have now got to address what they're out there. And we have now got to address what we're they're out there. And we have now got to address what we're going they're out there. And we have now got to address what we're going to got to address what we're going to do got to address what we're going to do about got to address what we're going to do about it. got to address what we're going to do about it. And got to address what we're going to do about it. And you'll got to address what we're going to do about it. And you'll see got to address what we're going to do about it. And you'll see that got to address what we're going to do about it. And you'll see that I do about it. And you'll see that I do do about it. And you'll see that I do have do about it. And you'll see that I do have an do about it. And you'll see that I do have an amendment do about it. And you'll see that I do have an amendment paper do about it. And you'll see that I do have an amendment paper which do about it. And you'll see that I do have an amendment paper which was do have an amendment paper which was put do have an amendment paper which was put in do have an amendment paper which was put in earlier do have an amendment paper which was put in earlier in do have an amendment paper which was put in earlier in the do have an amendment paper which was put in earlier in the last do have an amendment paper which was put in earlier in the last session put in earlier in the last session last put in earlier in the last session last week put in earlier in the last session last week which put in earlier in the last session last week which would put in earlier in the last session last week which would exclude put in earlier in the last session last week which would exclude a last week which would exclude a permanent last week which would exclude a permanent memorial last week which would exclude a permanent memorial grave last week which would exclude a permanent memorial grave for permanent memorial grave for headstone permanent memorial grave for headstone Ereched permanent memorial grave for headstone Ereched prior permanent memorial grave for headstone Ereched prior to permanent memorial grave for headstone Ereched prior to the headstone Ereched prior to the assent headstone Ereched prior to the assent of headstone Ereched prior to the assent of this headstone Ereched prior to the assent of this Act. headstone Ereched prior to the assent of this Act. Obviously headstone Ereched prior to the assent of this Act. Obviously you assent of this Act. Obviously you don't assent of this Act. Obviously you don't want assent of this Act. Obviously you don't want to assent of this Act. Obviously you don't want to look assent of this Act. Obviously you don't want to look forward assent of this Act. Obviously you don't want to look forward and don't want to look forward and permit don't want to look forward and permit these don't want to look forward and permit these things don't want to look forward and permit these things into don't want to look forward and permit these things into the don't want to look forward and permit these things into the future, permit these things into the future, I permit these things into the future, I get permit these things into the future, I get that, permit these things into the future, I get that, right, permit these things into the future, I get that, right, but permit these things into the future, I get that, right, but the permit these things into the future, I get that, right, but the challenge I get that, right, but the challenge is I get that, right, but the challenge is that I get that, right, but the challenge is that you I get that, right, but the challenge is that you got I get that, right, but the challenge is that you got these I get that, right, but the challenge is that you got these headstones I get that, right, but the challenge is that you got these headstones out is that you got these headstones out there is that you got these headstones out there and is that you got these headstones out there and on is that you got these headstones out there and on the is that you got these headstones out there and on the bill is that you got these headstones out there and on the bill as is that you got these headstones out there and on the bill as it is that you got these headstones out there and on the bill as it was there and on the bill as it was presented there and on the bill as it was presented to there and on the bill as it was presented to this there and on the bill as it was presented to this committee, there and on the bill as it was presented to this committee, it presented to this committee, it would presented to this committee, it would either presented to this committee, it would either criminalise presented to this committee, it would either criminalise local would either criminalise local bodies would either criminalise local bodies or would either criminalise local bodies or it would either criminalise local bodies or it would would either criminalise local bodies or it would require would either criminalise local bodies or it would require the would either criminalise local bodies or it would require the kind bodies or it would require the kind of bodies or it would require the kind of painting bodies or it would require the kind of painting over, bodies or it would require the kind of painting over, if bodies or it would require the kind of painting over, if you bodies or it would require the kind of painting over, if you think bodies or it would require the kind of painting over, if you think of of painting over, if you think of the of painting over, if you think of the desecration of painting over, if you think of the desecration of of painting over, if you think of the desecration of the of painting over, if you think of the desecration of the headstones. the desecration of the headstones. 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Whereas regardless of whether they intimidate or not. Whereas if regardless of whether they intimidate or not. Whereas if you intimidate or not. Whereas if you had intimidate or not. Whereas if you had either intimidate or not. Whereas if you had either an intimidate or not. Whereas if you had either an intention, intimidate or not. Whereas if you had either an intention, you're had either an intention, you're intending had either an intention, you're intending to had either an intention, you're intending to be had either an intention, you're intending to be intimidatory had either an intention, you're intending to be intimidatory or had either an intention, you're intending to be intimidatory or it intending to be intimidatory or it has intending to be intimidatory or it has the intending to be intimidatory or it has the effect intending to be intimidatory or it has the effect of intending to be intimidatory or it has the effect of intimidating, intending to be intimidatory or it has the effect of intimidating, then has the effect of intimidating, then none has the effect of intimidating, then none of has the effect of intimidating, then none of this has the effect of intimidating, then none of this would has the effect of intimidating, then none of this would be has the effect of intimidating, then none of this would be here. has the effect of intimidating, then none of this would be here. 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Has the Minister got around the members or former member, around the members or former member, gang around the members or former member, gang members, around the members or former member, gang members, and around the members or former member, gang members, and consulted around the members or former member, gang members, and consulted them gang members, and consulted them about gang members, and consulted them about their gang members, and consulted them about their views gang members, and consulted them about their views with gang members, and consulted them about their views with regards gang members, and consulted them about their views with regards to about their views with regards to this? about their views with regards to this? Because about their views with regards to this? Because there's about their views with regards to this? Because there's a about their views with regards to this? Because there's a huge about their views with regards to this? 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Can I also ask the member given his Can I also ask the member given his great Can I also ask the member given his great relationship Can I also ask the member given his great relationship with Can I also ask the member given his great relationship with iwi Can I also ask the member given his great relationship with iwi what Can I also ask the member given his great relationship with iwi what was great relationship with iwi what was the great relationship with iwi what was the - great relationship with iwi what was the - was great relationship with iwi what was the - was this great relationship with iwi what was the - was this raised great relationship with iwi what was the - was this raised at great relationship with iwi what was the - was this raised at the great relationship with iwi what was the - was this raised at the Iwi the - was this raised at the Iwi Leaders the - was this raised at the Iwi Leaders Meeting the - was this raised at the Iwi Leaders Meeting in the - was this raised at the Iwi Leaders Meeting in the the - was this raised at the Iwi Leaders Meeting in the last the - was this raised at the Iwi Leaders Meeting in the last week the - was this raised at the Iwi Leaders Meeting in the last week or Leaders Meeting in the last week or two? Leaders Meeting in the last week or two? This Leaders Meeting in the last week or two? This has Leaders Meeting in the last week or two? This has been Leaders Meeting in the last week or two? This has been a Leaders Meeting in the last week or two? This has been a kaupapa Leaders Meeting in the last week or two? This has been a kaupapa that two? This has been a kaupapa that has two? This has been a kaupapa that has been two? This has been a kaupapa that has been on two? This has been a kaupapa that has been on the two? This has been a kaupapa that has been on the books two? This has been a kaupapa that has been on the books or two? This has been a kaupapa that has been on the books or been two? This has been a kaupapa that has been on the books or been on two? This has been a kaupapa that has been on the books or been on the has been on the books or been on the table has been on the books or been on the table with has been on the books or been on the table with iwi has been on the books or been on the table with iwi leadership has been on the books or been on the table with iwi leadership because table with iwi leadership because gangs table with iwi leadership because gangs whether table with iwi leadership because gangs whether we table with iwi leadership because gangs whether we like table with iwi leadership because gangs whether we like it table with iwi leadership because gangs whether we like it or table with iwi leadership because gangs whether we like it or not table with iwi leadership because gangs whether we like it or not have gangs whether we like it or not have been gangs whether we like it or not have been - gangs whether we like it or not have been - so gangs whether we like it or not have been - so many gangs whether we like it or not have been - so many of gangs whether we like it or not have been - so many of them gangs whether we like it or not have been - so many of them are gangs whether we like it or not have been - so many of them are part gangs whether we like it or not have been - so many of them are part of been - so many of them are part of us, been - so many of them are part of us, and been - so many of them are part of us, and that been - so many of them are part of us, and that doesn't been - so many of them are part of us, and that doesn't mean been - so many of them are part of us, and that doesn't mean to been - so many of them are part of us, and that doesn't mean to say been - so many of them are part of us, and that doesn't mean to say we us, and that doesn't mean to say we support us, and that doesn't mean to say we been us, and that doesn't mean to say we support the actions us, and that doesn't mean to say we support the actions or us, and that doesn't mean to say we support the actions or the support the actions or the intimidation support the actions or the intimidation of support the actions or the intimidation of gangs, support the actions or the intimidation of gangs, not support the actions or the intimidation of gangs, not at support the actions or the intimidation of gangs, not at all, intimidation of gangs, not at all, Mr intimidation of gangs, not at all, Mr Chair, intimidation of gangs, not at all, Mr Chair, but intimidation of gangs, not at all, Mr Chair, but we intimidation of gangs, not at all, Mr Chair, but we do intimidation of gangs, not at all, Mr Chair, but we do take Mr Chair, but we do take responsibility Mr Chair, but we do take responsibility when Mr Chair, but we do take responsibility when a Mr Chair, but we do take responsibility when a lot Mr Chair, but we do take responsibility when a lot of Mr Chair, but we do take responsibility when a lot of them responsibility when a lot of them unfortunately responsibility when a lot of them unfortunately - responsibility when a lot of them unfortunately - or responsibility when a lot of them unfortunately - or fortunately responsibility when a lot of them unfortunately - or fortunately - responsibility when a lot of them unfortunately - or fortunately - are unfortunately - or fortunately - are related unfortunately - or fortunately - are related to unfortunately - or fortunately - are related to us, unfortunately - or fortunately - are related to us, did unfortunately - or fortunately - are related to us, did the unfortunately - or fortunately - are related to us, did the Minister unfortunately - or fortunately - are related to us, did the Minister take related to us, did the Minister take the related to us, did the Minister take the opportunity related to us, did the Minister take the opportunity to related to us, did the Minister take the opportunity to consult related to us, did the Minister take the opportunity to consult with related to us, did the Minister take the opportunity to consult with the the opportunity to consult with the iwi the opportunity to consult with the iwi leaders the opportunity to consult with the iwi leaders last the opportunity to consult with the iwi leaders last week the opportunity to consult with the iwi leaders last week in the opportunity to consult with the iwi leaders last week in terms the opportunity to consult with the iwi leaders last week in terms of iwi leaders last week in terms of their iwi leaders last week in terms of their views iwi leaders last week in terms of their views and iwi leaders last week in terms of their views and how iwi leaders last week in terms of their views and how - iwi leaders last week in terms of their views and how - on iwi leaders last week in terms of their views and how - on how iwi leaders last week in terms of their views and how - on how the their views and how - on how the Government their views and how - on how the Government is their views and how - on how the Government is dealing their views and how - on how the Government is dealing with their views and how - on how the Government is dealing with the their views and how - on how the Government is dealing with the gang Government is dealing with the gang patch Government is dealing with the gang patch view? Government is dealing with the gang patch view? And Government is dealing with the gang patch view? And did Government is dealing with the gang patch view? And did he Government is dealing with the gang patch view? And did he get Government is dealing with the gang patch view? And did he get any patch view? And did he get any support patch view? And did he get any support from patch view? And did he get any support from iwi patch view? And did he get any support from iwi leaders patch view? And did he get any support from iwi leaders with support from iwi leaders with regards support from iwi leaders with regards to support from iwi leaders with regards to this support from iwi leaders with regards to this particular support from iwi leaders with regards to this particular kaupapa? regards to this particular kaupapa? Just regards to this particular kaupapa? Just putting regards to this particular kaupapa? Just putting those regards to this particular kaupapa? 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Just in relation to - in terms of consultation, obvious we terms of consultation, obvious we just terms of consultation, obvious we just had terms of consultation, obvious we just had a terms of consultation, obvious we just had a very terms of consultation, obvious we just had a very lengthy terms of consultation, obvious we just had a very lengthy select just had a very lengthy select committee just had a very lengthy select committee process just had a very lengthy select committee process where just had a very lengthy select committee process where there's just had a very lengthy select committee process where there's been committee process where there's been more committee process where there's been more than committee process where there's been more than 100 committee process where there's been more than 100 people committee process where there's been more than 100 people making more than 100 people making submissions more than 100 people making submissions on more than 100 people making submissions on the more than 100 people making submissions on the bill more than 100 people making submissions on the bill and more than 100 people making submissions on the bill and I more than 100 people making submissions on the bill and I can submissions on the bill and I can assure submissions on the bill and I can assure the submissions on the bill and I can assure the member submissions on the bill and I can assure the member that submissions on the bill and I can assure the member that the submissions on the bill and I can assure the member that the Ministry assure the member that the Ministry of assure the member that the Ministry of Justice assure the member that the Ministry of Justice through assure the member that the Ministry of Justice through its assure the member that the Ministry of Justice through its many assure the member that the Ministry of Justice through its many lie assure the member that the Ministry of Justice through its many lie yay of Justice through its many lie yay son of Justice through its many lie yay son committees of Justice through its many lie yay son committees -- of Justice through its many lie yay son committees -- liaison of Justice through its many lie yay son committees -- liaison committees son committees -- liaison committees with son committees -- liaison committees with Maori, son committees -- liaison committees with Maori, iwi son committees -- liaison committees with Maori, iwi and son committees -- liaison committees with Maori, iwi and hapu son committees -- liaison committees with Maori, iwi and hapu will son committees -- liaison committees with Maori, iwi and hapu will have with Maori, iwi and hapu will have had with Maori, iwi and hapu will have had many with Maori, iwi and hapu will have had many conversations. with Maori, iwi and hapu will have had many conversations. And with Maori, iwi and hapu will have had many conversations. And so had many conversations. And so that's had many conversations. And so that's important. had many conversations. And so that's important. In had many conversations. And so that's important. In terms had many conversations. And so that's important. In terms of had many conversations. And so that's important. In terms of the that's important. In terms of the Iwi that's important. In terms of the Iwi Leaders that's important. In terms of the Iwi Leaders Forum, that's important. In terms of the Iwi Leaders Forum, to that's important. In terms of the Iwi Leaders Forum, to be that's important. 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It one that will give police extra powers to deal with gangs. It does powers to deal with gangs. It does not powers to deal with gangs. It does not on powers to deal with gangs. It does not on its powers to deal with gangs. It does not on its own powers to deal with gangs. It does not on its own represent powers to deal with gangs. It does not on its own represent our powers to deal with gangs. It does not on its own represent our entire not on its own represent our entire response not on its own represent our entire response to not on its own represent our entire response to gangs not on its own represent our entire response to gangs and not on its own represent our entire response to gangs and their response to gangs and their intimidation response to gangs and their intimidation in response to gangs and their intimidation in our response to gangs and their intimidation in our country, response to gangs and their intimidation in our country, and intimidation in our country, and violent intimidation in our country, and violent crime intimidation in our country, and violent crime or intimidation in our country, and violent crime or crime intimidation in our country, and violent crime or crime generally. intimidation in our country, and violent crime or crime generally. It violent crime or crime generally. It is violent crime or crime generally. It is one violent crime or crime generally. It is one tool violent crime or crime generally. It is one tool - violent crime or crime generally. It is one tool - or violent crime or crime generally. It is one tool - or four violent crime or crime generally. It is one tool - or four tools violent crime or crime generally. It is one tool - or four tools that is one tool - or four tools that will is one tool - or four tools that will be is one tool - or four tools that will be able is one tool - or four tools that will be able to is one tool - or four tools that will be able to help is one tool - or four tools that will be able to help police, is one tool - or four tools that will be able to help police, our will be able to help police, our broader will be able to help police, our broader approach will be able to help police, our broader approach extends will be able to help police, our broader approach extends into broader approach extends into matters broader approach extends into matters of broader approach extends into matters of dealing broader approach extends into matters of dealing with broader approach extends into matters of dealing with addictions, matters of dealing with addictions, dealing matters of dealing with addictions, dealing with matters of dealing with addictions, dealing with emergency matters of dealing with addictions, dealing with emergency housing dealing with emergency housing accommodation, dealing with emergency housing accommodation, dealing dealing with emergency housing accommodation, dealing with dealing with emergency housing accommodation, dealing with a dealing with emergency housing accommodation, dealing with a whole accommodation, dealing with a whole range accommodation, dealing with a whole range of accommodation, dealing with a whole range of issues accommodation, dealing with a whole range of issues which accommodation, dealing with a whole range of issues which are accommodation, dealing with a whole range of issues which are equally range of issues which are equally important range of issues which are equally important as range of issues which are equally important as well range of issues which are equally important as well as range of issues which are equally important as well as the range of issues which are equally important as well as the broader important as well as the broader effort important as well as the broader effort through important as well as the broader effort through the important as well as the broader effort through the Te important as well as the broader effort through the Te ar important as well as the broader effort through the Te ar ra important as well as the broader effort through the Te ar ra courts effort through the Te ar ra courts and effort through the Te ar ra courts and many effort through the Te ar ra courts and many other effort through the Te ar ra courts and many other agents effort through the Te ar ra courts and many other agents across effort through the Te ar ra courts and many other agents across the and many other agents across the justice and many other agents across the justice sector. Thank Thank you, Thank you, Mr Thank you, Mr Chair Thank you, Mr Chair for Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me to Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me to take Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me to take a Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me to take a call Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me to take a call on Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me to take a call on this Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me to take a call on this part Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me to take a call on this part of Thank you, Mr Chair for allowing me to take a call on this part of the to take a call on this part of the proposed to take a call on this part of the proposed legislation. to take a call on this part of the proposed legislation. So to take a call on this part of the proposed legislation. So my to take a call on this part of the proposed legislation. So my question proposed legislation. So my question - proposed legislation. So my question - I'm proposed legislation. So my question - I'm going proposed legislation. So my question - I'm going to proposed legislation. So my question - I'm going to try proposed legislation. So my question - I'm going to try and proposed legislation. So my question - I'm going to try and focus - I'm going to try and focus on - I'm going to try and focus on patches - I'm going to try and focus on patches themselves - I'm going to try and focus on patches themselves my - I'm going to try and focus on patches themselves my first - I'm going to try and focus on patches themselves my first question patches themselves my first question is patches themselves my first question is what patches themselves my first question is what evidence patches themselves my first question is what evidence has patches themselves my first question is what evidence has he patches themselves my first question is what evidence has he seen patches themselves my first question is what evidence has he seen that is what evidence has he seen that banning is what evidence has he seen that banning insignia is what evidence has he seen that banning insignia helps is what evidence has he seen that banning insignia helps people is what evidence has he seen that banning insignia helps people exit banning insignia helps people exit gangs? banning insignia helps people exit gangs? I banning insignia helps people exit gangs? I believe banning insignia helps people exit gangs? I believe there banning insignia helps people exit gangs? I believe there was banning insignia helps people exit gangs? I believe there was talk banning insignia helps people exit gangs? I believe there was talk by, gangs? I believe there was talk by, I gangs? I believe there was talk by, I believe gangs? I believe there was talk by, I believe Mr gangs? I believe there was talk by, I believe Mr Mitchell, gangs? I believe there was talk by, I believe Mr Mitchell, around gangs? I believe there was talk by, I believe Mr Mitchell, around some I believe Mr Mitchell, around some of I believe Mr Mitchell, around some of the I believe Mr Mitchell, around some of the work I believe Mr Mitchell, around some of the work they've I believe Mr Mitchell, around some of the work they've been I believe Mr Mitchell, around some of the work they've been doing I believe Mr Mitchell, around some of the work they've been doing in of the work they've been doing in Australia of the work they've been doing in Australia in of the work they've been doing in Australia in banning of the work they've been doing in Australia in banning gang of the work they've been doing in Australia in banning gang patches Australia in banning gang patches and Australia in banning gang patches and I'm Australia in banning gang patches and I'm interested Australia in banning gang patches and I'm interested to Australia in banning gang patches and I'm interested to know Australia in banning gang patches and I'm interested to know whether and I'm interested to know whether that and I'm interested to know whether that has and I'm interested to know whether that has had and I'm interested to know whether that has had any and I'm interested to know whether that has had any positive and I'm interested to know whether that has had any positive public that has had any positive public safety that has had any positive public safety improvements that has had any positive public safety improvements in that has had any positive public safety improvements in those that has had any positive public safety improvements in those areas safety improvements in those areas and safety improvements in those areas and what safety improvements in those areas and what the safety improvements in those areas and what the consequences safety improvements in those areas and what the consequences of safety improvements in those areas and what the consequences of those and what the consequences of those provisions and what the consequences of those provisions have and what the consequences of those provisions have been, and what the consequences of those provisions have been, particularly provisions have been, particularly reflecting provisions have been, particularly reflecting on provisions have been, particularly reflecting on the provisions have been, particularly reflecting on the chief provisions have been, particularly reflecting on the chief science reflecting on the chief science adviser reflecting on the chief science adviser to reflecting on the chief science adviser to the reflecting on the chief science adviser to the PM's reflecting on the chief science adviser to the PM's report reflecting on the chief science adviser to the PM's report that reflecting on the chief science adviser to the PM's report that is adviser to the PM's report that is all adviser to the PM's report that is all about adviser to the PM's report that is all about minimising adviser to the PM's report that is all about minimising gang adviser to the PM's report that is all about minimising gang harm adviser to the PM's report that is all about minimising gang harm and all about minimising gang harm and addresses all about minimising gang harm and addresses the all about minimising gang harm and addresses the drivers all about minimising gang harm and addresses the drivers of all about minimising gang harm and addresses the drivers of gang addresses the drivers of gang membership addresses the drivers of gang membership where addresses the drivers of gang membership where it addresses the drivers of gang membership where it says addresses the drivers of gang membership where it says "a addresses the drivers of gang membership where it says "a stronger membership where it says "a stronger focus membership where it says "a stronger focus on membership where it says "a stronger focus on prevention membership where it says "a stronger focus on prevention and membership where it says "a stronger focus on prevention and early focus on prevention and early intervention focus on prevention and early intervention will focus on prevention and early intervention will slow focus on prevention and early intervention will slow the focus on prevention and early intervention will slow the flow focus on prevention and early intervention will slow the flow of intervention will slow the flow of young intervention will slow the flow of young people intervention will slow the flow of young people into intervention will slow the flow of young people into gangs intervention will slow the flow of young people into gangs and young people into gangs and alleviate young people into gangs and alleviate pressure young people into gangs and alleviate pressure on young people into gangs and alleviate pressure on multiple alleviate pressure on multiple systems, alleviate pressure on multiple systems, justice, alleviate pressure on multiple systems, justice, health alleviate pressure on multiple systems, justice, health and systems, justice, health and corrections, systems, justice, health and corrections, in systems, justice, health and corrections, in the systems, justice, health and corrections, in the long systems, justice, health and corrections, in the long term" systems, justice, health and corrections, in the long term" and corrections, in the long term" and whether corrections, in the long term" and whether he corrections, in the long term" and whether he has corrections, in the long term" and whether he has considered corrections, in the long term" and whether he has considered the corrections, in the long term" and whether he has considered the chief whether he has considered the chief science whether he has considered the chief science adviser's whether he has considered the chief science adviser's strong whether he has considered the chief science adviser's strong advice whether he has considered the chief science adviser's strong advice that science adviser's strong advice that we science adviser's strong advice that we can't science adviser's strong advice that we can't arrest science adviser's strong advice that we can't arrest our science adviser's strong advice that we can't arrest our way science adviser's strong advice that we can't arrest our way out science adviser's strong advice that we can't arrest our way out of science adviser's strong advice that we can't arrest our way out of the we can't arrest our way out of the gang we can't arrest our way out of the gang problem. we can't arrest our way out of the gang problem. I'd we can't arrest our way out of the gang problem. I'd like we can't arrest our way out of the gang problem. I'd like to we can't arrest our way out of the gang problem. I'd like to hear we can't arrest our way out of the gang problem. I'd like to hear your gang problem. I'd like to hear your reflections gang problem. I'd like to hear your reflections on gang problem. I'd like to hear your reflections on that gang problem. I'd like to hear your reflections on that and gang problem. I'd like to hear your reflections on that and what reflections on that and what evidence reflections on that and what evidence is reflections on that and what evidence is there reflections on that and what evidence is there that reflections on that and what evidence is there that banning reflections on that and what evidence is there that banning the evidence is there that banning the visual evidence is there that banning the visual presence evidence is there that banning the visual presence of evidence is there that banning the visual presence of gangs evidence is there that banning the visual presence of gangs and evidence is there that banning the visual presence of gangs and gangs visual presence of gangs and gangs patches visual presence of gangs and gangs patches within visual presence of gangs and gangs patches within our visual presence of gangs and gangs patches within our communities patches within our communities actually patches within our communities actually decreases patches within our communities actually decreases the patches within our communities actually decreases the number patches within our communities actually decreases the number of actually decreases the number of people actually decreases the number of people exiting actually decreases the number of people exiting gangs, actually decreases the number of people exiting gangs, particularly people exiting gangs, particularly because people exiting gangs, particularly because we people exiting gangs, particularly because we currently people exiting gangs, particularly because we currently have because we currently have legislation because we currently have legislation in because we currently have legislation in place because we currently have legislation in place that because we currently have legislation in place that prohibits legislation in place that prohibits gang legislation in place that prohibits gang patches legislation in place that prohibits gang patches in legislation in place that prohibits gang patches in public legislation in place that prohibits gang patches in public places legislation in place that prohibits gang patches in public places and gang patches in public places and that gang patches in public places and that act gang patches in public places and that act has gang patches in public places and that act has been gang patches in public places and that act has been around gang patches in public places and that act has been around since gang patches in public places and that act has been around since 2013 that act has been around since 2013 and that act has been around since 2013 and as that act has been around since 2013 and as the that act has been around since 2013 and as the Minister that act has been around since 2013 and as the Minister continues that act has been around since 2013 and as the Minister continues to and as the Minister continues to quote, and as the Minister continues to quote, the and as the Minister continues to quote, the membership and as the Minister continues to quote, the membership of and as the Minister continues to quote, the membership of gangs quote, the membership of gangs continues quote, the membership of gangs continues to quote, the membership of gangs continues to rise quote, the membership of gangs continues to rise so quote, the membership of gangs continues to rise so if quote, the membership of gangs continues to rise so if that continues to rise so if that legislation continues to rise so if that legislation in continues to rise so if that legislation in itself continues to rise so if that legislation in itself has continues to rise so if that legislation in itself has not continues to rise so if that legislation in itself has not been legislation in itself has not been effective legislation in itself has not been effective in legislation in itself has not been effective in driving legislation in itself has not been effective in driving down effective in driving down membership, effective in driving down membership, why effective in driving down membership, why does effective in driving down membership, why does he effective in driving down membership, why does he believe effective in driving down membership, why does he believe this membership, why does he believe this iteration membership, why does he believe this iteration of membership, why does he believe this iteration of banning membership, why does he believe this iteration of banning insignia membership, why does he believe this iteration of banning insignia would iteration of banning insignia would be iteration of banning insignia would be more iteration of banning insignia would be more helpful? iteration of banning insignia would be more helpful? I iteration of banning insignia would be more helpful? I have iteration of banning insignia would be more helpful? I have questions be more helpful? I have questions around be more helpful? I have questions around freedom be more helpful? I have questions around freedom of be more helpful? I have questions around freedom of expression. be more helpful? I have questions around freedom of expression. The around freedom of expression. The Attorney-General around freedom of expression. The Attorney-General wrote around freedom of expression. The Attorney-General wrote to around freedom of expression. The Attorney-General wrote to us around freedom of expression. The Attorney-General wrote to us with around freedom of expression. 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this country, as imposed in many parts of this country, as exemplified imposed in many parts of this country, as exemplified by imposed in many parts of this country, as exemplified by the imposed in many parts of this country, as exemplified by the very country, as exemplified by the very thing country, as exemplified by the very thing that country, as exemplified by the very thing that that country, as exemplified by the very thing that that member country, as exemplified by the very thing that that member has country, as exemplified by the very thing that that member has said, thing that that member has said, that thing that that member has said, that people thing that that member has said, that people live thing that that member has said, that people live in thing that that member has said, that people live in towns thing that that member has said, that people live in towns and thing that that member has said, that people live in towns and it's that people live in towns and it's an that people live in towns and it's an unwritten that people live in towns and it's an unwritten rule that people live in towns and it's an unwritten rule in that people live in towns and it's an unwritten rule in that that people live in towns and it's an unwritten rule in that town that people live in towns and it's an unwritten rule in that town thaw an unwritten rule in that town thaw don't an unwritten rule in that town thaw don't wear an unwritten rule in that town thaw don't wear a an unwritten rule in that town thaw don't wear a particular an unwritten rule in that town thaw don't wear a particular colour don't wear a particular colour because, don't wear a particular colour because, if don't wear a particular colour because, if you don't wear a particular colour because, if you do, don't wear a particular colour because, if you do, there don't wear a particular colour because, if you do, there will don't wear a particular colour because, if you do, there will be because, if you do, there will be excellences. because, if you do, there will be excellences. That's because, if you do, there will be excellences. That's precisely because, if you do, there will be excellences. That's precisely why because, if you do, there will be excellences. That's precisely why we excellences. That's precisely why we want excellences. That's precisely why we want to excellences. That's precisely why we want to deal excellences. That's precisely why we want to deal with excellences. That's precisely why we want to deal with the excellences. That's precisely why we want to deal with the broader excellences. That's precisely why we want to deal with the broader issue want to deal with the broader issue of want to deal with the broader issue of fear want to deal with the broader issue of fear and want to deal with the broader issue of fear and intimidation want to deal with the broader issue of fear and intimidation of want to deal with the broader issue of fear and intimidation of gangs want to deal with the broader issue of fear and intimidation of gangs in of fear and intimidation of gangs in our of fear and intimidation of gangs in our society of fear and intimidation of gangs in our society and of fear and intimidation of gangs in our society and it's of fear and intimidation of gangs in our society and it's why of fear and intimidation of gangs in our society and it's why the our society and it's why the legislation our society and it's why the legislation is our society and it's why the legislation is bringing our society and it's why the legislation is bringing forth our society and it's why the legislation is bringing forth new legislation is bringing forth new rules legislation is bringing forth new rules relating legislation is bringing forth new rules relating to legislation is bringing forth new rules relating to gang legislation is bringing forth new rules relating to gang membership. rules relating to gang membership. 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And abusers in this country which is the state. And I abusers in this country which is the state. And I - abusers in this country which is the state. And I - I abusers in this country which is the state. And I - I say abusers in this country which is the state. And I - I say that abusers in this country which is the state. And I - I say that gangs abusers in this country which is the state. And I - I say that gangs are state. And I - I say that gangs are full state. And I - I say that gangs are full of state. And I - I say that gangs are full of these state. And I - I say that gangs are full of these harmed state. And I - I say that gangs are full of these harmed individuals, full of these harmed individuals, these full of these harmed individuals, these harmed full of these harmed individuals, these harmed whanau, full of these harmed individuals, these harmed whanau, through these harmed whanau, through intergenerational these harmed whanau, through intergenerational state these harmed whanau, through intergenerational state abuse. these harmed whanau, through intergenerational state abuse. When intergenerational state abuse. When I intergenerational state abuse. When I think intergenerational state abuse. When I think about intergenerational state abuse. When I think about some intergenerational state abuse. When I think about some of intergenerational state abuse. When I think about some of our intergenerational state abuse. When I think about some of our whanau intergenerational state abuse. When I think about some of our whanau who I think about some of our whanau who are I think about some of our whanau who are in I think about some of our whanau who are in gangs I think about some of our whanau who are in gangs and I think about some of our whanau who are in gangs and the I think about some of our whanau who are in gangs and the way I think about some of our whanau who are in gangs and the way that I think about some of our whanau who are in gangs and the way that they are in gangs and the way that they try are in gangs and the way that they try to are in gangs and the way that they try to poi are in gangs and the way that they try to poi poi, are in gangs and the way that they try to poi poi, they are in gangs and the way that they try to poi poi, they try are in gangs and the way that they try to poi poi, they try to are in gangs and the way that they try to poi poi, they try to bring try to poi poi, they try to bring together try to poi poi, they try to bring together a try to poi poi, they try to bring together a sense try to poi poi, they try to bring together a sense of try to poi poi, they try to bring together a sense of whanau try to poi poi, they try to bring together a sense of whanau and together a sense of whanau and connection, together a sense of whanau and connection, is together a sense of whanau and connection, is their together a sense of whanau and connection, is their ability together a sense of whanau and connection, is their ability to together a sense of whanau and connection, is their ability to find connection, is their ability to find a connection, is their ability to find a place connection, is their ability to find a place of connection, is their ability to find a place of connection connection, is their ability to find a place of connection because connection, is their ability to find a place of connection because as connection, is their ability to find a place of connection because as per a place of connection because as per their a place of connection because as per their regulatory a place of connection because as per their regulatory impact a place of connection because as per their regulatory impact statement, their regulatory impact statement, it their regulatory impact statement, it shares their regulatory impact statement, it shares historically their regulatory impact statement, it shares historically as their regulatory impact statement, it shares historically as children it shares historically as children and it shares historically as children and young it shares historically as children and young people it shares historically as children and young people many it shares historically as children and young people many gang it shares historically as children and young people many gang members and young people many gang members suffered and young people many gang members suffered abuse and young people many gang members suffered abuse and and young people many gang members suffered abuse and neglect and young people many gang members suffered abuse and neglect in and young people many gang members suffered abuse and neglect in state suffered abuse and neglect in state and suffered abuse and neglect in state and faith-based suffered abuse and neglect in state and faith-based care suffered abuse and neglect in state and faith-based care creating and faith-based care creating mistrust and faith-based care creating mistrust and and faith-based care creating mistrust and resistance and faith-based care creating mistrust and resistance to mistrust and resistance to authority. mistrust and resistance to authority. This mistrust and resistance to authority. This proportionate mistrust and resistance to authority. This proportionate rate authority. This proportionate rate of authority. This proportionate rate of tam authority. This proportionate rate of tam Rick authority. This proportionate rate of tam Rick yay authority. This proportionate rate of tam Rick yay Maori authority. This proportionate rate of tam Rick yay Maori placed authority. This proportionate rate of tam Rick yay Maori placed in of tam Rick yay Maori placed in state of tam Rick yay Maori placed in state care of tam Rick yay Maori placed in state care has of tam Rick yay Maori placed in state care has contributed of tam Rick yay Maori placed in state care has contributed to of tam Rick yay Maori placed in state care has contributed to the state care has contributed to the overrepresentation state care has contributed to the overrepresentation among state care has contributed to the overrepresentation among gangs state care has contributed to the overrepresentation among gangs -- overrepresentation among gangs -- tamariki. overrepresentation among gangs -- tamariki. So overrepresentation among gangs -- tamariki. So it overrepresentation among gangs -- tamariki. So it is overrepresentation among gangs -- tamariki. So it is a overrepresentation among gangs -- tamariki. So it is a te overrepresentation among gangs -- tamariki. So it is a te Tiriti overrepresentation among gangs -- tamariki. So it is a te Tiriti issue tamariki. So it is a te Tiriti issue because tamariki. So it is a te Tiriti issue because we tamariki. So it is a te Tiriti issue because we had tamariki. So it is a te Tiriti issue because we had the tamariki. So it is a te Tiriti issue because we had the gross tamariki. So it is a te Tiriti issue because we had the gross breach tamariki. So it is a te Tiriti issue because we had the gross breach of because we had the gross breach of the because we had the gross breach of the right because we had the gross breach of the right to because we had the gross breach of the right to protection, because we had the gross breach of the right to protection, the because we had the gross breach of the right to protection, the gross the right to protection, the gross breach the right to protection, the gross breach of the right to protection, the gross breach of care the right to protection, the gross breach of care for the right to protection, the gross breach of care for these the right to protection, the gross breach of care for these young breach of care for these young people, breach of care for these young people, these breach of care for these young people, these Whaikaha, breach of care for these young people, these Whaikaha, these people, these Whaikaha, these tamaiti people, these Whaikaha, these tamaiti and people, these Whaikaha, these tamaiti and these people, these Whaikaha, these tamaiti and these adults people, these Whaikaha, these tamaiti and these adults who people, these Whaikaha, these tamaiti and these adults who were tamaiti and these adults who were placed tamaiti and these adults who were placed into tamaiti and these adults who were placed into the tamaiti and these adults who were placed into the care tamaiti and these adults who were placed into the care of tamaiti and these adults who were placed into the care of the tamaiti and these adults who were placed into the care of the state tamaiti and these adults who were placed into the care of the state or placed into the care of the state or faith-based placed into the care of the state or faith-based institutions placed into the care of the state or faith-based institutions and placed into the care of the state or faith-based institutions and then faith-based institutions and then they faith-based institutions and then they come faith-based institutions and then they come out faith-based institutions and then they come out and faith-based institutions and then they come out and join faith-based institutions and then they come out and join gangs faith-based institutions and then they come out and join gangs and they come out and join gangs and they're they come out and join gangs and they're the they come out and join gangs and they're the product they come out and join gangs and they're the product of they come out and join gangs and they're the product of state they come out and join gangs and they're the product of state harmed. they're the product of state harmed. When they're the product of state harmed. When I they're the product of state harmed. When I consider they're the product of state harmed. When I consider what they're the product of state harmed. When I consider what our they're the product of state harmed. When I consider what our regulatory When I consider what our regulatory impact When I consider what our regulatory impact statement When I consider what our regulatory impact statement has When I consider what our regulatory impact statement has already When I consider what our regulatory impact statement has already shared impact statement has already shared with impact statement has already shared with us impact statement has already shared with us and, impact statement has already shared with us and, in impact statement has already shared with us and, in fact, impact statement has already shared with us and, in fact, that impact statement has already shared with us and, in fact, that there's with us and, in fact, that there's more with us and, in fact, that there's more learnings with us and, in fact, that there's more learnings within with us and, in fact, that there's more learnings within the with us and, in fact, that there's more learnings within the statement more learnings within the statement that more learnings within the statement that really more learnings within the statement that really outlines more learnings within the statement that really outlines the more learnings within the statement that really outlines the connection that really outlines the connection of that really outlines the connection of state that really outlines the connection of state abuse that really outlines the connection of state abuse into that really outlines the connection of state abuse into these that really outlines the connection of state abuse into these whanau of state abuse into these whanau trying of state abuse into these whanau trying to of state abuse into these whanau trying to find of state abuse into these whanau trying to find a of state abuse into these whanau trying to find a sense of state abuse into these whanau trying to find a sense of of state abuse into these whanau trying to find a sense of connection trying to find a sense of connection and trying to find a sense of connection and then trying to find a sense of connection and then they trying to find a sense of connection and then they here trying to find a sense of connection and then they here in trying to find a sense of connection and then they here in a trying to find a sense of connection and then they here in a gang. trying to find a sense of connection and then they here in a gang. Now and then they here in a gang. Now some and then they here in a gang. Now some of and then they here in a gang. Now some of these and then they here in a gang. Now some of these gangs and then they here in a gang. Now some of these gangs are and then they here in a gang. Now some of these gangs are doing and then they here in a gang. Now some of these gangs are doing quite some of these gangs are doing quite positive some of these gangs are doing quite positive things some of these gangs are doing quite positive things within some of these gangs are doing quite positive things within our some of these gangs are doing quite positive things within our community positive things within our community so positive things within our community so I positive things within our community so I do positive things within our community so I do worry positive things within our community so I do worry about positive things within our community so I do worry about this positive things within our community so I do worry about this section so I do worry about this section whereby so I do worry about this section whereby it so I do worry about this section whereby it will so I do worry about this section whereby it will prohibit so I do worry about this section whereby it will prohibit their whereby it will prohibit their ability whereby it will prohibit their ability to whereby it will prohibit their ability to congregate whereby it will prohibit their ability to congregate and whereby it will prohibit their ability to congregate and I whereby it will prohibit their ability to congregate and I can ability to congregate and I can think ability to congregate and I can think of ability to congregate and I can think of a ability to congregate and I can think of a couple ability to congregate and I can think of a couple of ability to congregate and I can think of a couple of recovery ability to congregate and I can think of a couple of recovery groups think of a couple of recovery groups that think of a couple of recovery groups that we think of a couple of recovery groups that we have think of a couple of recovery groups that we have in think of a couple of recovery groups that we have in the think of a couple of recovery groups that we have in the North think of a couple of recovery groups that we have in the North that that we have in the North that are... that we have in the North that are... 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In terms of our ability for our In terms of our ability for our whanau In terms of our ability for our whanau to In terms of our ability for our whanau to exercise In terms of our ability for our whanau to exercise their whanau to exercise their rangatiratanga, whanau to exercise their rangatiratanga, same whanau to exercise their rangatiratanga, same as whanau to exercise their rangatiratanga, same as the whanau to exercise their rangatiratanga, same as the Bill whanau to exercise their rangatiratanga, same as the Bill of rangatiratanga, same as the Bill of Rights, rangatiratanga, same as the Bill of Rights, retreaty rangatiratanga, same as the Bill of Rights, retreaty guarantees rangatiratanga, same as the Bill of Rights, retreaty guarantees them rangatiratanga, same as the Bill of Rights, retreaty guarantees them -- Rights, retreaty guarantees them -- te Rights, retreaty guarantees them -- te Tiriti Rights, retreaty guarantees them -- te Tiriti guarantees Rights, retreaty guarantees them -- te Tiriti guarantees them Rights, retreaty guarantees them -- te Tiriti guarantees them the te Tiriti guarantees them the ability te Tiriti guarantees them the ability to te Tiriti guarantees them the ability to express te Tiriti guarantees them the ability to express themselves ability to express themselves according ability to express themselves according to ability to express themselves according to tikanga ability to express themselves according to tikanga and ability to express themselves according to tikanga and that, ability to express themselves according to tikanga and that, in according to tikanga and that, in fact, according to tikanga and that, in fact, if according to tikanga and that, in fact, if gangs according to tikanga and that, in fact, if gangs are according to tikanga and that, in fact, if gangs are the according to tikanga and that, in fact, if gangs are the place according to tikanga and that, in fact, if gangs are the place where fact, if gangs are the place where they fact, if gangs are the place where fact, fact, if gangs are the place where they feel safe fact, if gangs are the place where they feel safe for fact, if gangs are the place where they feel safe for once fact, if gangs are the place where they feel safe for once in fact, if gangs are the place where they feel safe for once in their they feel safe for once in their lives, they feel safe for once in their lives, how they feel safe for once in their lives, how come they feel safe for once in their lives, how come they they feel safe for once in their lives, how come they can't they feel safe for once in their lives, how come they can't wear lives, how come they can't wear their lives, how come they can't wear their patch lives, how come they can't wear their patch to lives, how come they can't wear their patch to find lives, how come they can't wear their patch to find a lives, how come they can't wear their patch to find a sense lives, how come they can't wear their patch to find a sense of their patch to find a sense of belonging their patch to find a sense of their their patch to find a sense of belonging and a their patch to find a sense of belonging and a sense their patch to find a sense of belonging and a sense of their patch to find a sense of belonging and a sense of purpose? their patch to find a sense of belonging and a sense of purpose? So belonging and a sense of purpose? So my belonging and a sense of purpose? So my question belonging and a sense of purpose? So my question to belonging and a sense of purpose? So my question to the belonging and a sense of purpose? So my question to the Minister belonging and a sense of purpose? So my question to the Minister in belonging and a sense of purpose? So my question to the Minister in terms my question to the Minister in terms of my question to the Minister in terms of this my question to the Minister in terms of this is my question to the Minister in terms of this is - my question to the Minister in terms of this is - you my question to the Minister in terms of this is - you know, my question to the Minister in terms of this is - you know, what my question to the Minister in terms of this is - you know, what analysis of this is - you know, what analysis or of this is - you know, what analysis or what of this is - you know, what analysis or what consideration of this is - you know, what analysis or what consideration has of this is - you know, what analysis or what consideration has the or what consideration has the Minister or what consideration has the Minister given or what consideration has the Minister given to or what consideration has the Minister given to these or what consideration has the Minister given to these breaches or what consideration has the Minister given to these breaches of Minister given to these breaches of te Minister given to these breaches of te Tiriti Minister given to these breaches of te Tiriti and Minister given to these breaches of te Tiriti and then Minister given to these breaches of te Tiriti and then the Minister given to these breaches of te Tiriti and then the impact Minister given to these breaches of te Tiriti and then the impact of Minister given to these breaches of te Tiriti and then the impact of the te Tiriti and then the impact of the breaches te Tiriti and then the impact of the breaches in te Tiriti and then the impact of the breaches in terms te Tiriti and then the impact of the breaches in terms of te Tiriti and then the impact of the breaches in terms of this breaches in terms of this legislation breaches in terms of this legislation for breaches in terms of this legislation for iwi breaches in terms of this legislation for iwi Maori breaches in terms of this legislation for iwi Maori who breaches in terms of this legislation for iwi Maori who are legislation for iwi Maori who are members legislation for iwi Maori who are members of legislation for iwi Maori who are members of gangs? legislation for iwi Maori who are members of gangs? Because legislation for iwi Maori who are members of gangs? Because they legislation for iwi Maori who are members of gangs? Because they do members of gangs? Because they do have members of gangs? Because they do have rights members of gangs? Because they do have rights through members of gangs? Because they do have rights through te members of gangs? Because they do have rights through te Tiriti, members of gangs? Because they do have rights through te Tiriti, they have rights through te Tiriti, they do have rights through te Tiriti, they do have have rights through te Tiriti, they do have rights have rights through te Tiriti, they do have rights to have rights through te Tiriti, they do have rights to express do have rights to express themselves, do have rights to express themselves, and do have rights to express themselves, and they do have rights to express themselves, and they do do have rights to express themselves, and they do have do have rights to express themselves, and they do have rights themselves, and they do have rights to themselves, and they do have rights to be themselves, and they do have rights to be equal themselves, and they do have rights to be equal citizens, themselves, and they do have rights to be equal citizens, not themselves, and they do have rights to be equal citizens, not other themselves, and they do have rights to be equal citizens, not other in themselves, and they do have rights to be equal citizens, not other in a to be equal citizens, not other in a society to be equal citizens, not other in a society where to be equal citizens, not other in a society where they to be equal citizens, not other in a society where they say to be equal citizens, not other in a society where they say you to be equal citizens, not other in a society where they say you cannot society where they say you cannot wear society where they say you cannot wear your society where they say you cannot wear your patch society where they say you cannot wear your patch in society where they say you cannot wear your patch in public, society where they say you cannot wear your patch in public, and society where they say you cannot wear your patch in public, and we're wear your patch in public, and we're going wear your patch in public, and we're going to wear your patch in public, and we're going to charge wear your patch in public, and we're going to charge you, wear your patch in public, and we're going to charge you, fine wear your patch in public, and we're going to charge you, fine you wear your patch in public, and we're going to charge you, fine you $5,000 going to charge you, fine you $5,000 or going to charge you, fine you $5,000 or chuck going to charge you, fine you $5,000 or chuck you going to charge you, fine you $5,000 or chuck you in going to charge you, fine you $5,000 or chuck you in jail. going to charge you, fine you $5,000 or chuck you in jail. Kia going to charge you, fine you $5,000 or chuck you in jail. Kia ora. going to charge you, fine you $5,000 or chuck you in jail. Kia ora. Ginny or chuck you in jail. Kia ora. Ginny Andersen. or chuck you in jail. Kia ora. Ginny Andersen. Thank or chuck you in jail. Kia ora. Ginny Andersen. Thank you or chuck you in jail. Kia ora. Ginny Andersen. Thank you very or chuck you in jail. Kia ora. Ginny Andersen. Thank you very much, or chuck you in jail. Kia ora. Ginny Andersen. Thank you very much, Mr Andersen. Thank you very much, Mr Chair. Andersen. Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I'm Andersen. Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I'm pleased Andersen. Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I'm pleased the Andersen. Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I'm pleased the Minister Chair. I'm pleased the Minister referred Chair. I'm pleased the Minister referred to Chair. I'm pleased the Minister referred to some Chair. I'm pleased the Minister referred to some of Chair. I'm pleased the Minister referred to some of the Chair. I'm pleased the Minister referred to some of the work Chair. I'm pleased the Minister referred to some of the work that referred to some of the work that officials referred to some of the work that officials had referred to some of the work that officials had done referred to some of the work that officials had done because referred to some of the work that officials had done because it's officials had done because it's always officials had done because it's always quite officials had done because it's always quite interesting officials had done because it's always quite interesting when, officials had done because it's always quite interesting when, you always quite interesting when, you know, always quite interesting when, you know, as always quite interesting when, you know, as a always quite interesting when, you know, as a problem-solver, always quite interesting when, you know, as a problem-solver, and always quite interesting when, you know, as a problem-solver, and I know, as a problem-solver, and I know know, as a problem-solver, and I know someone know, as a problem-solver, and I know someone in know, as a problem-solver, and I know someone in the know, as a problem-solver, and I know someone in the House know, as a problem-solver, and I know someone in the House who know, as a problem-solver, and I know someone in the House who likes know someone in the House who likes to know someone in the House who likes to solve know someone in the House who likes to solve a know someone in the House who likes to solve a good know someone in the House who likes to solve a good problem, know someone in the House who likes to solve a good problem, is know someone in the House who likes to solve a good problem, is to to solve a good problem, is to define to solve a good problem, is to define that to solve a good problem, is to define that problem to solve a good problem, is to define that problem and to solve a good problem, is to define that problem and to to solve a good problem, is to define that problem and to look to solve a good problem, is to define that problem and to look at define that problem and to look at what define that problem and to look at what are define that problem and to look at what are the define that problem and to look at what are the possible define that problem and to look at what are the possible ways define that problem and to look at what are the possible ways to what are the possible ways to address what are the possible ways to address the what are the possible ways to address the problem what are the possible ways to address the problem that's what are the possible ways to address the problem that's been address the problem that's been addressed, address the problem that's been addressed, but address the problem that's been addressed, but you address the problem that's been addressed, but you always address the problem that's been addressed, but you always know addressed, but you always know you're addressed, but you always know you're in addressed, but you always know you're in an addressed, but you always know you're in an interesting addressed, but you always know you're in an interesting situation you're in an interesting situation when you're in an interesting situation when the you're in an interesting situation when the title you're in an interesting situation when the title in you're in an interesting situation when the title in the you're in an interesting situation when the title in the regulatory when the title in the regulatory impact when the title in the regulatory impact statement when the title in the regulatory impact statement says, when the title in the regulatory impact statement says, "What when the title in the regulatory impact statement says, "What is when the title in the regulatory impact statement says, "What is the impact statement says, "What is the policy impact statement says, "What is the policy problem impact statement says, "What is the policy problem or impact statement says, "What is the policy problem or opportunity", 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prohibiting display of gang insignia." So there includes prohibiting display of gang insignia." So the there includes prohibiting display of gang insignia." So the problem there includes prohibiting display of gang insignia." So the problem is of gang insignia." So the problem is that of gang insignia." So the problem is that they of gang insignia." So the problem is that they came, of gang insignia." So the problem is that they came, they of gang insignia." So the problem is that they came, they campaigned of gang insignia." So the problem is that they came, they campaigned on, that they came, they campaigned on, as that they came, they campaigned on, as the that they came, they campaigned on, as the Minister that they came, they campaigned on, as the Minister said, that they came, they campaigned on, as the Minister said, we're that they came, they campaigned on, as the Minister said, we're going that they came, they campaigned on, as the Minister said, we're going to as the Minister said, we're going to do as the Minister said, we're going to do some as the Minister said, we're going to do some stuff as the Minister said, we're going to do some stuff and as the Minister said, we're going to do some stuff and irrespective as the Minister said, we're going to do some stuff and irrespective of do some stuff and irrespective of their do some stuff and irrespective of their actually do some stuff and irrespective of their actually being do some stuff and irrespective of their actually being a do some stuff and irrespective of their actually being a problem, do some stuff and irrespective of their actually being a problem, this their actually being a problem, this is their actually being a problem, this is where their actually being a problem, this is where we their actually being a problem, this is where we land their actually being a problem, this is where we land now. their actually being a problem, this is where we land now. Makes their actually being a problem, this is where we land now. Makes it is where we land now. Makes it really is where we land now. Makes it really tough is where we land now. Makes it really tough when is where we land now. Makes it really tough when you is where we land now. Makes it really tough when you try is where we land now. Makes it really tough when you try to is where we land now. Makes it really tough when you try to be really tough when you try to be analytical really tough when you try to be analytical and really tough when you try to be analytical and come really tough when you try to be analytical and come up really tough when you try to be analytical and come up with really tough when you try to be analytical and come up with defining analytical and come up with defining the analytical and come up with defining the problem analytical and come up with defining the problem when analytical and come up with defining the problem when they're analytical and come up with defining the problem when they're kind analytical and come up with defining the problem when they're kind of the problem when they're kind of really the problem when they're kind of really - the problem when they're kind of really - it's the problem when they're kind of really - it's just the problem when they're kind of really - it's just - the problem when they're kind of really - it's just - it's the problem when they're kind of really - it's just - it's just the problem when they're kind of really - it's just - it's just - really - it's just - it's just - it's really - it's just - it's just - it's been really - it's just - it's just - it's been campaigned really - it's just - it's just - it's been campaigned on, really - it's just - it's just - it's been campaigned on, that's really - it's just - it's just - it's been campaigned on, that's the it's been campaigned on, that's the problem it's been campaigned on, that's the problem that's it's been campaigned on, that's the problem that's in it's been campaigned on, that's the problem that's in the it's been campaigned on, that's the problem that's in the problem problem that's in the problem definition. problem that's in the problem definition. And problem that's in the problem definition. And so problem that's in the problem definition. And so I problem that's in the problem definition. And so I think problem that's in the problem definition. And so I think it problem that's in the problem definition. And so I think it will definition. And so I think it will be definition. And so I think it will be really definition. And so I think it will be really interesting definition. And so I think it will be really interesting as definition. And so I think it will be really interesting as this definition. And so I think it will be really interesting as this plays be really interesting as this plays out be really interesting as this plays out because be really interesting as this plays out because as be really interesting as this plays out because as the be really interesting as this plays out because as the Minister be really interesting as this plays out because as the Minister stated, out because as the Minister stated, New out because as the Minister stated, New Zealanders out because as the Minister stated, New Zealanders are out because as the Minister stated, New Zealanders are dead out because as the Minister stated, New Zealanders are dead vote out because as the Minister stated, New Zealanders are dead vote for New Zealanders are dead vote for change, New Zealanders are dead vote for change, this New Zealanders are dead vote for change, this Government New Zealanders are dead vote for change, this Government campaigned change, this Government campaigned hard change, this Government campaigned hard on change, this Government campaigned hard on cost change, this Government campaigned hard on cost of change, this Government campaigned hard on cost of living change, this Government campaigned hard on cost of living and change, this Government campaigned hard on cost of living and also change, this Government campaigned hard on cost of living and also law hard on cost of living and also law and hard on cost of living and also law and order hard on cost of living and also law and order issues, hard on cost of living and also law and order issues, and hard on cost of living and also law and order issues, and so hard on cost of living and also law and order issues, and so I hard on cost of living and also law and order issues, and so I think and order issues, and so I think there and order issues, and so I think there are and order issues, and so I think there are quite and order issues, and so I think there are quite high and order issues, and so I think there are quite high expectations there are quite high expectations that there are quite high expectations that this there are quite high expectations that this legislation there are quite high expectations that this legislation will there are quite high expectations that this legislation will in there are quite high expectations that this legislation will in fact that this legislation will in fact make that this legislation will in fact make a that this legislation will in fact make a meaningful that this legislation will in fact make a meaningful difference that this legislation will in fact make a meaningful difference to make a meaningful difference to public make a meaningful difference to public safety make a meaningful difference to public safety and make a meaningful difference to public safety and so make a meaningful difference to public safety and so I'll make a meaningful difference to public safety and so I'll be public safety and so I'll be interested public safety and so I'll be interested to public safety and so I'll be interested to hear public safety and so I'll be interested to hear the public safety and so I'll be interested to hear the views public safety and so I'll be interested to hear the views of public safety and so I'll be interested to hear the views of the interested to hear the views of the Minister interested to hear the views of the Minister as interested to hear the views of the Minister as to interested to hear the views of the Minister as to if interested to hear the views of the Minister as to if the interested to hear the views of the Minister as to if the overarching Minister as to if the overarching objective Minister as to if the overarching objective of Minister as to if the overarching objective of this Minister as to if the overarching objective of this legislation Minister as to if the overarching objective of this legislation is Minister as to if the overarching objective of this legislation is to objective of this legislation is to reduce objective of this legislation is to reduce gang objective of this legislation is to reduce gang harm, objective of this legislation is to reduce gang harm, that objective of this legislation is to reduce gang harm, that taking objective of this legislation is to reduce gang harm, that taking off reduce gang harm, that taking off patches, reduce gang harm, that taking off patches, how reduce gang harm, that taking off patches, how does reduce gang harm, that taking off patches, how does that reduce gang harm, that taking off patches, how does that reduce reduce gang harm, that taking off patches, how does that reduce gang patches, how does that reduce gang harm? patches, how does that reduce gang harm? Because patches, how does that reduce gang harm? Because it patches, how does that reduce gang harm? Because it seems patches, how does that reduce gang harm? Because it seems to patches, how does that reduce gang harm? Because it seems to me patches, how does that reduce gang harm? Because it seems to me from harm? Because it seems to me from reading harm? Because it seems to me from reading this harm? Because it seems to me from reading this analysis harm? Because it seems to me from reading this analysis that harm? Because it seems to me from reading this analysis that there's reading this analysis that there's no reading this analysis that there's no real reading this analysis that there's no real clear reading this analysis that there's no real clear way reading this analysis that there's no real clear way of reading this analysis that there's no real clear way of demonstrating no real clear way of demonstrating what no real clear way of demonstrating what the no real clear way of demonstrating what the impact no real clear way of demonstrating what the impact of no real clear way of demonstrating what the impact of that no real clear way of demonstrating what the impact of that is no real clear way of demonstrating what the impact of that is when what the impact of that is when you're what the impact of that is when you're looking what the impact of that is when you're looking at what the impact of that is when you're looking at the what the impact of that is when you're looking at the different you're looking at the different options. you're looking at the different options. And you're looking at the different options. And so you're looking at the different options. And so the you're looking at the different options. And so the options you're looking at the different options. And so the options that you're looking at the different options. And so the options that are options. And so the options that are laid options. And so the options that are laid out options. And so the options that are laid out here options. And so the options that are laid out here in options. And so the options that are laid out here in terms options. And so the options that are laid out here in terms of options. And so the options that are laid out here in terms of the laid out here in terms of the criteria laid out here in terms of the criteria used laid out here in terms of the criteria used to laid out here in terms of the criteria used to compare laid out here in terms of the criteria used to compare different criteria used to compare different options criteria used to compare different options to criteria used to compare different options to the criteria used to compare different options to the status criteria used to compare different options to the status quo, criteria used to compare different options to the status quo, it criteria used to compare different options to the status quo, it looks options to the status quo, it looks at options to the status quo, it looks at the options to the status quo, it looks at the criteria options to the status quo, it looks at the criteria that options to the status quo, it looks at the criteria that they options to the status quo, it looks at the criteria that they have at the criteria that they have developed, at the criteria that they have developed, there's at the criteria that they have developed, there's improving at the criteria that they have developed, there's improving public developed, there's improving public confidence, developed, there's improving public confidence, reducing developed, there's improving public confidence, reducing gang confidence, reducing gang membership, confidence, reducing gang membership, reducing confidence, reducing gang membership, reducing rates confidence, reducing gang membership, reducing rates of membership, reducing rates of offending, membership, reducing rates of offending, and membership, reducing rates of offending, and also membership, reducing rates of offending, and also compliance membership, reducing rates of offending, and also compliance with offending, and also compliance with the offending, and also compliance with the Bill offending, and also compliance with the Bill of offending, and also compliance with the Bill of Rights. offending, and also compliance with the Bill of Rights. So offending, and also compliance with the Bill of Rights. So we'll offending, and also compliance with the Bill of Rights. So we'll rule the Bill of Rights. So we'll rule out the Bill of Rights. So we'll rule out the the Bill of Rights. So we'll rule out the last the Bill of Rights. So we'll rule out the last one the Bill of Rights. So we'll rule out the last one now. the Bill of Rights. So we'll rule out the last one now. But the Bill of Rights. So we'll rule out the last one now. But those the Bill of Rights. So we'll rule out the last one now. But those are out the last one now. But those are the out the last one now. But those are the ones out the last one now. But those are the ones that out the last one now. But those are the ones that will out the last one now. But those are the ones that will have out the last one now. But those are the ones that will have to out the last one now. But those are the ones that will have to come out the last one now. 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Because it set out to do many the first place. Because improving it set out to do many the first place. Because improving public place. Because improving public confidence place. Because improving public confidence is place. Because improving public confidence is - place. Because improving public confidence is - has place. Because improving public confidence is - has already place. Because improving public confidence is - has already been confidence is - has already been outlaid, confidence is - has already been outlaid, Mr confidence is - has already been outlaid, Mr Chair, confidence is - has already been outlaid, Mr Chair, is confidence is - has already been outlaid, Mr Chair, is that confidence is - has already been outlaid, Mr Chair, is that there's outlaid, Mr Chair, is that there's some outlaid, Mr Chair, is that there's some real outlaid, Mr Chair, is that there's some real questions outlaid, Mr Chair, is that there's some real questions here outlaid, Mr Chair, is that there's some real questions here that outlaid, Mr Chair, is that there's some real questions here that have some real questions here that have been some real questions here that have been - some real questions here that have been - that some real questions here that have been - that have some real questions here that have been - that have been some real questions here that have been - that have been withheld some real questions here that have been - that have been withheld under been - that have been withheld under the been - that have been withheld under the Official been - that have been withheld under the Official Information been - that have been withheld under the Official Information Act been - that have been withheld under the Official Information Act if the Official Information Act if there's the Official Information Act if there's not the Official Information Act if there's not an the Official Information Act if there's not an ability the Official Information Act if there's not an ability to the Official Information Act if there's not an ability to enforce there's not an ability to enforce this there's not an ability to enforce this legislation, there's not an ability to enforce this legislation, has there's not an ability to enforce this legislation, has the there's not an ability to enforce this legislation, has the antithesis this legislation, has the antithesis effect. this legislation, has the antithesis effect. It this legislation, has the antithesis effect. It would this legislation, has the antithesis effect. It would go this legislation, has the antithesis effect. It would go against this legislation, has the antithesis effect. It would go against the effect. It would go against the paragraph effect. It would go against the paragraph here effect. It would go against the paragraph here that effect. It would go against the paragraph here that has effect. It would go against the paragraph here that has a effect. It would go against the paragraph here that has a criteria paragraph here that has a criteria show paragraph here that has a criteria show that paragraph here that has a criteria show that we paragraph here that has a criteria show that we want paragraph here that has a criteria show that we want to paragraph here that has a criteria show that we want to improve paragraph here that has a criteria show that we want to improve public show that we want to improve public confidence. show that we want to improve public confidence. If show that we want to improve public confidence. If that show that we want to improve public confidence. If that legislation show that we want to improve public confidence. If that legislation or confidence. If that legislation or that confidence. If that legislation or that new confidence. If that legislation or that new law confidence. If that legislation or that new law is confidence. If that legislation or that new law is unable confidence. If that legislation or that new law is unable to confidence. If that legislation or that new law is unable to be that new law is unable to be enforced, that new law is unable to be enforced, it that new law is unable to be enforced, it holds that new law is unable to be enforced, it holds quite that new law is unable to be enforced, it holds quite strong enforced, it holds quite strong potential enforced, it holds quite strong potential for enforced, it holds quite strong potential for the enforced, it holds quite strong potential for the antithesis enforced, it holds quite strong potential for the antithesis to potential for the antithesis to happen potential for the antithesis to happen which potential for the antithesis to happen which would potential for the antithesis to happen which would be potential for the antithesis to happen which would be to potential for the antithesis to happen which would be to undermine happen which would be to undermine or happen which would be to undermine or destroy happen which would be to undermine or destroy public happen which would be to undermine or destroy public confidence happen which would be to undermine or destroy public confidence and or destroy public confidence and having or destroy public confidence and having law or destroy public confidence and having law and or destroy public confidence and having law and order or destroy public confidence and having law and order being or destroy public confidence and having law and order being able or destroy public confidence and having law and order being able to having law and order being able to be having law and order being able to be enforced. having law and order being able to be enforced. In having law and order being able to be enforced. In reducing having law and order being able to be enforced. In reducing gang be enforced. In reducing gang membership, be enforced. In reducing gang membership, that be enforced. In reducing gang membership, that will be enforced. In reducing gang membership, that will be membership, that will be interesting. membership, that will be interesting. We membership, that will be interesting. We keep membership, that will be interesting. We keep a membership, that will be interesting. We keep a close membership, that will be interesting. We keep a close eye membership, that will be interesting. We keep a close eye on interesting. We keep a close eye on that interesting. We keep a close eye on that one interesting. We keep a close eye on that one because interesting. We keep a close eye on that one because we interesting. We keep a close eye on that one because we know interesting. We keep a close eye on that one because we know that interesting. We keep a close eye on that one because we know that gang that one because we know that gang membership that one because we know that gang membership increased that one because we know that gang membership increased particularly membership increased particularly since membership increased particularly since the membership increased particularly since the 501s membership increased particularly since the 501s came membership increased particularly since the 501s came back membership increased particularly since the 501s came back from since the 501s came back from Australia since the 501s came back from Australia and since the 501s came back from Australia and it since the 501s came back from Australia and it will since the 501s came back from Australia and it will have Australia and it will have complexity Australia and it will have complexity that Australia and it will have complexity that New Australia and it will have complexity that New Zealand Australia and it will have complexity that New Zealand had Australia and it will have complexity that New Zealand had not complexity that New Zealand had not seen complexity that New Zealand had not seen before complexity that New Zealand had not seen before and complexity that New Zealand had not seen before and criminal seen before and criminal organisations. seen before and criminal organisations. We'll seen before and criminal organisations. We'll be seen before and criminal organisations. We'll be watching organisations. We'll be watching very organisations. We'll be watching very closely organisations. We'll be watching very closely to organisations. We'll be watching very closely to see organisations. We'll be watching very closely to see how organisations. We'll be watching very closely to see how that organisations. We'll be watching very closely to see how that gang very closely to see how that gang tracks very closely to see how that gang tracks and very closely to see how that gang tracks and also very closely to see how that gang tracks and also to very closely to see how that gang tracks and also to see very closely to see how that gang tracks and also to see how very closely to see how that gang tracks and also to see how - very closely to see how that gang tracks and also to see how - who very closely to see how that gang tracks and also to see how - who is tracks and also to see how - who is taken tracks and also to see how - who is taken off tracks and also to see how - who is taken off it tracks and also to see how - who is taken off it as tracks and also to see how - who is taken off it as well tracks and also to see how - who is taken off it as well is tracks and also to see how - who is taken off it as well is put tracks and also to see how - who is taken off it as well is put on tracks and also to see how - who is taken off it as well is put on it, taken off it as well is put on it, because taken off it as well is put on it, because the taken off it as well is put on it, because the Government taken off it as well is put on it, because the Government does taken off it as well is put on it, because the Government does have taken off it as well is put on it, because the Government does have the because the Government does have the ability because the Government does have the ability to because the Government does have the ability to reassess because the Government does have the ability to reassess who's because the Government does have the ability to reassess who's going because the Government does have the ability to reassess who's going on ability to reassess who's going on there ability to reassess who's going on there and ability to reassess who's going on there and take ability to reassess who's going on there and take off ability to reassess who's going on there and take off people. ability to reassess who's going on there and take off people. So ability to reassess who's going on there and take off people. So it there and take off people. So it would there and take off people. So it would be there and take off people. So it would be - there and take off people. So it would be - it there and take off people. So it would be - it wouldn't there and take off people. So it would be - it wouldn't be there and take off people. So it would be - it wouldn't be great there and take off people. So it would be - it wouldn't be great if would be - it wouldn't be great if the would be - it wouldn't be great if the fact would be - it wouldn't be great if the fact that would be - it wouldn't be great if the fact that some would be - it wouldn't be great if the fact that some criteria would be - it wouldn't be great if the fact that some criteria are the fact that some criteria are being the fact that some criteria are being changed the fact that some criteria are being changed or the fact that some criteria are being changed or were the fact that some criteria are being changed or were taking the fact that some criteria are being changed or were taking people being changed or were taking people off being changed or were taking people off just being changed or were taking people off just to being changed or were taking people off just to give being changed or were taking people off just to give the being changed or were taking people off just to give the appearance being changed or were taking people off just to give the appearance of being changed or were taking people off just to give the appearance of a off just to give the appearance of a reduction off just to give the appearance of a reduction in off just to give the appearance of a reduction in gang off just to give the appearance of a reduction in gang numbers off just to give the appearance of a reduction in gang numbers when, off just to give the appearance of a reduction in gang numbers when, in reduction in gang numbers when, in fact, reduction in gang numbers when, in fact, there reduction in gang numbers when, in fact, there was reduction in gang numbers when, in fact, there was just reduction in gang numbers when, in fact, there was just a reduction in gang numbers when, in fact, there was just a bit reduction in gang numbers when, in fact, there was just a bit of reduction in gang numbers when, in fact, there was just a bit of a fact, there was just a bit of a vetting fact, there was just a bit of a vetting exercise fact, there was just a bit of a vetting exercise to fact, there was just a bit of a vetting exercise to take fact, there was just a bit of a vetting exercise to take people fact, there was just a bit of a vetting exercise to take people off. vetting exercise to take people off. So vetting exercise to take people off. So it's vetting exercise to take people off. So it's important vetting exercise to take people off. So it's important that vetting exercise to take people off. So it's important that we're vetting exercise to take people off. So it's important that we're holding So it's important that we're holding the So it's important that we're holding the government So it's important that we're holding the government to So it's important that we're holding the government to account So it's important that we're holding the government to account on So it's important that we're holding the government to account on being the government to account on being able the government to account on being able to the government to account on being able to assess the government to account on being able to assess if the government to account on being able to assess if those the government to account on being able to assess if those criteria able to assess if those criteria are, able to assess if those criteria are, in able to assess if those criteria are, in fact, able to assess if those criteria are, in fact, being able to assess if those criteria are, in fact, being met. able to assess if those criteria are, in fact, being met. And, able to assess if those criteria are, in fact, being met. And, of are, in fact, being met. And, of course, are, in fact, being met. And, of course, reducing are, in fact, being met. And, of course, reducing rates are, in fact, being met. And, of course, reducing rates of course, reducing rates of reoffending course, reducing rates of reoffending is course, reducing rates of reoffending is one course, reducing rates of reoffending is one of course, reducing rates of reoffending is one of the course, reducing rates of reoffending is one of the criteria reoffending is one of the criteria in reoffending is one of the criteria in deciding reoffending is one of the criteria in deciding upon reoffending is one of the criteria in deciding upon a reoffending is one of the criteria in deciding upon a policy reoffending is one of the criteria in deciding upon a policy option reoffending is one of the criteria in deciding upon a policy option to in deciding upon a policy option to reduce in deciding upon a policy option to reduce the in deciding upon a policy option to reduce the problem in deciding upon a policy option to reduce the problem and in deciding upon a policy option to reduce the problem and so in deciding upon a policy option to reduce the problem and so reducing reduce the problem and so reducing rates reduce the problem and so reducing rates of reduce the problem and so reducing rates of reoffending reduce the problem and so reducing rates of reoffending is reduce the problem and so reducing rates of reoffending is one reduce the problem and so reducing rates of reoffending is one that reduce the problem and so reducing rates of reoffending is one that we rates of reoffending is one that we are rates of reoffending is one that we are really rates of reoffending is one that we are really interested rates of reoffending is one that we are really interested in rates of reoffending is one that we are really interested in because are really interested in because from are really interested in because from what are really interested in because from what I are really interested in because from what I can are really interested in because from what I can see are really interested in because from what I can see what are really interested in because from what I can see what this from what I can see what this legislation from what I can see what this legislation does, from what I can see what this legislation does, there from what I can see what this legislation does, there will from what I can see what this legislation does, there will be from what I can see what this legislation does, there will be a legislation does, there will be a lot legislation does, there will be a lot of legislation does, there will be a lot of reoffending legislation does, there will be a lot of reoffending done legislation does, there will be a lot of reoffending done in legislation does, there will be a lot of reoffending done in this lot of reoffending done in this space, lot of reoffending done in this space, as lot of reoffending done in this space, as people lot of reoffending done in this space, as people are lot of reoffending done in this space, as people are repeatedly space, as people are repeatedly penalised space, as people are repeatedly penalised brought space, as people are repeatedly penalised brought before space, as people are repeatedly penalised brought before the space, as people are repeatedly penalised brought before the courts penalised brought before the courts for penalised brought before the courts for wearing penalised brought before the courts for wearing gang penalised brought before the courts for wearing gang patches penalised brought before the courts for wearing gang patches to penalised brought before the courts for wearing gang patches to the for wearing gang patches to the point for wearing gang patches to the point of for wearing gang patches to the point of imprisonment. for wearing gang patches to the point of imprisonment. And for wearing gang patches to the point of imprisonment. And so for wearing gang patches to the point of imprisonment. And so I point of imprisonment. And so I actually point of imprisonment. And so I actually think point of imprisonment. And so I actually think that point of imprisonment. And so I actually think that the point of imprisonment. And so I actually think that the legislation actually think that the legislation we're actually think that the legislation we're debating actually think that the legislation we're debating right actually think that the legislation we're debating right now actually think that the legislation we're debating right now will actually think that the legislation we're debating right now will do actually think that the legislation we're debating right now will do the we're debating right now will do the complete we're debating right now will do the complete antithesis we're debating right now will do the complete antithesis of we're debating right now will do the complete antithesis of what we're debating right now will do the complete antithesis of what the complete antithesis of what the criteria complete antithesis of what the criteria is complete antithesis of what the criteria is is complete antithesis of what the criteria is is going complete antithesis of what the criteria is is going to complete antithesis of what the criteria is is going to increase criteria is is going to increase reoffending criteria is is going to increase reoffending particularly criteria is is going to increase reoffending particularly for criteria is is going to increase reoffending particularly for gang reoffending particularly for gang members reoffending particularly for gang members to reoffending particularly for gang members to the reoffending particularly for gang members to the point reoffending particularly for gang members to the point where reoffending particularly for gang members to the point where you're members to the point where you're seeing members to the point where you're seeing those members to the point where you're seeing those - members to the point where you're seeing those - those members to the point where you're seeing those - those numbers members to the point where you're seeing those - those numbers go... seeing those - those numbers go... The seeing those - those numbers go... The Minister's seeing those - those numbers go... The Minister's time seeing those - those numbers go... The Minister's time has seeing those - those numbers go... The Minister's time has expired. seeing those - those numbers go... The Minister's time has expired. Hon The Minister's time has expired. Hon Paul The Minister's time has expired. Hon Paul Goldsmith. The Minister's time has expired. Hon Paul Goldsmith. Mr The Minister's time has expired. Hon Paul Goldsmith. Mr Chair, The Minister's time has expired. Hon Paul Goldsmith. Mr Chair, we The Minister's time has expired. Hon Paul Goldsmith. Mr Chair, we talked Paul Goldsmith. Mr Chair, we talked a Paul Goldsmith. Mr Chair, we talked a great Paul Goldsmith. Mr Chair, we talked a great length Paul Goldsmith. Mr Chair, we talked a great length about Paul Goldsmith. Mr Chair, we talked a great length about the Paul Goldsmith. Mr Chair, we talked a great length about the 50% a great length about the 50% increase a great length about the 50% increase in a great length about the 50% increase in gang a great length about the 50% increase in gang membership a great length about the 50% increase in gang membership over a great length about the 50% increase in gang membership over the increase in gang membership over the past increase in gang membership over the past six increase in gang membership over the past six years increase in gang membership over the past six years under increase in gang membership over the past six years under the increase in gang membership over the past six years under the previous past six years under the previous Government past six years under the previous Government and past six years under the previous Government and there past six years under the previous Government and there are past six years under the previous Government and there are a past six years under the previous Government and there are a whole Government and there are a whole host Government and there are a whole host of Government and there are a whole host of reasons Government and there are a whole host of reasons for Government and there are a whole host of reasons for that Government and there are a whole host of reasons for that and Government and there are a whole host of reasons for that and the host of reasons for that and the previous host of reasons for that and the previous member host of reasons for that and the previous member referred host of reasons for that and the previous member referred to host of reasons for that and the previous member referred to the host of reasons for that and the previous member referred to the 501s previous member referred to the 501s from previous member referred to the 501s from Australia. previous member referred to the 501s from Australia. We previous member referred to the 501s from Australia. We also previous member referred to the 501s from Australia. We also referred previous member referred to the 501s from Australia. We also referred to from Australia. We also referred to the from Australia. We also referred to the very from Australia. We also referred to the very mixed from Australia. We also referred to the very mixed response from Australia. We also referred to the very mixed response from from Australia. We also referred to the very mixed response from the the very mixed response from the previous the very mixed response from the previous Government the very mixed response from the previous Government to the very mixed response from the previous Government to gangs. the very mixed response from the previous Government to gangs. It the very mixed response from the previous Government to gangs. It was previous Government to gangs. It was a previous Government to gangs. It was a bit previous Government to gangs. It was a bit confusing. previous Government to gangs. It was a bit confusing. Sometimes previous Government to gangs. It was a bit confusing. Sometimes they previous Government to gangs. It was a bit confusing. Sometimes they were a bit confusing. Sometimes they were against a bit confusing. Sometimes they were against them, a bit confusing. Sometimes they were against them, and a bit confusing. Sometimes they were against them, and sometimes a bit confusing. Sometimes they were against them, and sometimes they against them, and sometimes they wanted against them, and sometimes they wanted to against them, and sometimes they wanted to give against them, and sometimes they wanted to give them against them, and sometimes they wanted to give them money against them, and sometimes they wanted to give them money to against them, and sometimes they wanted to give them money to do wanted to give them money to do certain wanted to give them money to do certain things wanted to give them money to do certain things and wanted to give them money to do certain things and run wanted to give them money to do certain things and run drug certain things and run drug rehabilitation certain things and run drug rehabilitation courses certain things and run drug rehabilitation courses and certain things and run drug rehabilitation courses and so certain things and run drug rehabilitation courses and so it certain things and run drug rehabilitation courses and so it was rehabilitation courses and so it was a rehabilitation courses and so it was a mixed rehabilitation courses and so it was a mixed message. rehabilitation courses and so it was a mixed message. I rehabilitation courses and so it was a mixed message. I think rehabilitation courses and so it was a mixed message. I think that rehabilitation courses and so it was a mixed message. I think that was a mixed message. I think that was rather a mixed message. I think that was rather perfectly a mixed message. I think that was rather perfectly exemplified a mixed message. I think that was rather perfectly exemplified by a mixed message. I think that was rather perfectly exemplified by the rather perfectly exemplified by the Greens rather perfectly exemplified by the Greens speaker, rather perfectly exemplified by the Greens speaker, too, rather perfectly exemplified by the Greens speaker, too, before rather perfectly exemplified by the Greens speaker, too, before who rather perfectly exemplified by the Greens speaker, too, before who said Greens speaker, too, before who said some Greens speaker, too, before who said some gangs Greens speaker, too, before who said some gangs are Greens speaker, too, before who said some gangs are doing Greens speaker, too, before who said some gangs are doing quite Greens speaker, too, before who said some gangs are doing quite positive some gangs are doing quite positive things some gangs are doing quite positive things in some gangs are doing quite positive things in our some gangs are doing quite positive things in our communities. things in our communities. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Well, <INTERRUPTION> Well, I'm <INTERRUPTION> Well, I'm sure <INTERRUPTION> Well, I'm sure they <INTERRUPTION> Well, I'm sure they are <INTERRUPTION> Well, I'm sure they are doing <INTERRUPTION> Well, I'm sure they are doing the Well, I'm sure they are doing the occasional Well, I'm sure they are doing the occasional positive Well, I'm sure they are doing the occasional positive thing Well, I'm sure they are doing the occasional positive thing but Well, I'm sure they are doing the occasional positive thing but I occasional positive thing but I think occasional positive thing but I think the occasional positive thing but I think the things occasional positive thing but I think the things are occasional positive thing but I think the things are greatly think the things are greatly outweighed think the things are greatly outweighed by think the things are greatly outweighed by the think the things are greatly outweighed by the negative think the things are greatly outweighed by the negative impact think the things are greatly outweighed by the negative impact of outweighed by the negative impact of gangs outweighed by the negative impact of gangs in outweighed by the negative impact of gangs in our outweighed by the negative impact of gangs in our community. outweighed by the negative impact of gangs in our community. And outweighed by the negative impact of gangs in our community. And I outweighed by the negative impact of gangs in our community. And I don't gangs in our community. And I don't think gangs in our community. And I don't think on gangs in our community. And I don't think on balance, gangs in our community. And I don't think on balance, gangs gangs in our community. And I don't think on balance, gangs are gangs in our community. And I don't think on balance, gangs are a gangs in our community. And I don't think on balance, gangs are a force think on balance, gangs are a force for think on balance, gangs are a force for good think on balance, gangs are a force for good in think on balance, gangs are a force for good in our think on balance, gangs are a force for good in our community. think on balance, gangs are a force for good in our community. And think on balance, gangs are a force for good in our community. And I for good in our community. And I think for good in our community. And I for for good in our community. And I think most New for good in our community. And I think most New Zealanders for good in our community. And I think most New Zealanders recognise think most New Zealanders recognise the think most New Zealanders recognise the fear think most New Zealanders recognise the fear and think most New Zealanders recognise the fear and intimidation think most New Zealanders recognise the fear and intimidation that think most New Zealanders recognise the fear and intimidation that comes the fear and intimidation that comes with the fear and intimidation that comes with gangs the fear and intimidation that comes with gangs operating the fear and intimidation that comes with gangs operating in the fear and intimidation that comes with gangs operating in our the fear and intimidation that comes with gangs operating in our country with gangs operating in our country and with gangs operating in our country and the with gangs operating in our country and the association with gangs operating in our country and the association with with gangs operating in our country and the association with violent and the association with violent crime and the association with violent crime and and the association with violent crime and with and the association with violent crime and with drug and the association with violent crime and with drug crime. and the association with violent crime and with drug crime. That and the association with violent crime and with drug crime. That is crime and with drug crime. That is why crime and with drug crime. That is why we're crime and with drug crime. That is why we're setting crime and with drug crime. That is why we're setting out crime and with drug crime. That is why we're setting out to crime and with drug crime. That is why we're setting out to reduce crime and with drug crime. That is why we're setting out to reduce the why we're setting out to reduce the harm why we're setting out to reduce the harm caused why we're setting out to reduce the harm caused by why we're setting out to reduce the harm caused by gangs. why we're setting out to reduce the harm caused by gangs. Now, why we're setting out to reduce the harm caused by gangs. Now, there why we're setting out to reduce the harm caused by gangs. Now, there was harm caused by gangs. Now, there was reference harm caused by gangs. Now, there was reference made harm caused by gangs. 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Because it does strike me that you Because it does strike me that you need Because it does strike me that you need to Because it does strike me that you need to be Because it does strike me that you need to be consistent Because it does strike me that you need to be consistent in Because it does strike me that you need to be consistent in your need to be consistent in your drafting, need to be consistent in your drafting, in need to be consistent in your drafting, in PCO need to be consistent in your drafting, in PCO clearly need to be consistent in your drafting, in PCO clearly drafted drafting, in PCO clearly drafted this drafting, in PCO clearly drafted this and drafting, in PCO clearly drafted this and they drafting, in PCO clearly drafted this and they would drafting, in PCO clearly drafted this and they would usually drafting, in PCO clearly drafted this and they would usually always this and they would usually always have this and they would usually always have a this and they would usually always have a final this and they would usually always have a final tuning. this and they would usually always have a final tuning. I this and they would usually always have a final tuning. I wonder, have a final tuning. I wonder, Minister, have a final tuning. I wonder, Minister, if have a final tuning. I wonder, Minister, if you have a final tuning. I wonder, Minister, if you like have a final tuning. I wonder, Minister, if you like to have a final tuning. I wonder, Minister, if you like to respond have a final tuning. I wonder, Minister, if you like to respond to Minister, if you like to respond to that. Minister, if you like to respond to that. Tena Minister, if you like to respond to that. Tena koe, Minister, if you like to respond to that. Tena koe, Mr Minister, if you like to respond to that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Minister, if you like to respond to that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Thank Minister, if you like to respond to that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Thank you that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Thank you for that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Thank you for the that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Thank you for the opportunity that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Thank you for the opportunity to that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Thank you for the opportunity to speak that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Thank you for the opportunity to speak on that. Tena koe, Mr Chair. Thank you for the opportunity to speak on this for the opportunity to speak on this part for the opportunity to speak on this part of for the opportunity to speak on this part of the for the opportunity to speak on this part of the legislation. for the opportunity to speak on this part of the legislation. I for the opportunity to speak on this part of the legislation. I want for the opportunity to speak on this part of the legislation. I want to part of the legislation. I want to explore part of the legislation. I want to explore with part of the legislation. I want to explore with the part of the legislation. I want to explore with the House part of the legislation. I want to explore with the House and part of the legislation. I want to explore with the House and with part of the legislation. 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How would the individual actually know would the individual actually know that would the individual actually know that the would the individual actually know that the symmetry would the individual actually know that the symmetry that would the individual actually know that the symmetry that they're would the individual actually know that the symmetry that they're at would the individual actually know that the symmetry that they're at -- that the symmetry that they're at -- cemetery that the symmetry that they're at -- cemetery that that the symmetry that they're at -- cemetery that they're that the symmetry that they're at -- cemetery that they're at that the symmetry that they're at -- cemetery that they're at was that the symmetry that they're at -- cemetery that they're at was a cemetery that they're at was a public cemetery that they're at was a public place? cemetery that they're at was a public place? Just cemetery that they're at was a public place? 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And I raise T-shirts because we wear T-shirts and whanau wear T wear T-shirts and whanau wear T shirts, wear T-shirts and whanau wear T shirts, slogans wear T-shirts and whanau wear T shirts, slogans all wear T-shirts and whanau wear T shirts, slogans all the wear T-shirts and whanau wear T shirts, slogans all the time. shirts, slogans all the time. Slogans, Slogans, <SPEAKS Slogans, <SPEAKS TE Slogans, <SPEAKS TE REO Slogans, <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Oops, <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Oops, heads <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Oops, heads up! <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Oops, heads up! So <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Oops, heads up! So when <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Oops, heads up! So when we <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Oops, heads up! So when we have Oops, heads up! So when we have gangs Oops, heads up! So when we have gangs who Oops, heads up! So when we have gangs who might Oops, heads up! So when we have gangs who might have Oops, heads up! So when we have gangs who might have T-shirts, Oops, heads up! So when we have gangs who might have T-shirts, at gangs who might have T-shirts, at what gangs who might have T-shirts, at what point gangs who might have T-shirts, at what point do gangs who might have T-shirts, at what point do we gangs who might have T-shirts, at what point do we deem gangs who might have T-shirts, at what point do we deem it gangs who might have T-shirts, at what point do we deem it a gangs who might have T-shirts, at what point do we deem it a gang what point do we deem it a gang insignia what point do we deem it a gang insignia and what point do we deem it a gang insignia and a what point do we deem it a gang insignia and a symbol what point do we deem it a gang insignia and a symbol when what point do we deem it a gang insignia and a symbol when actually insignia and a symbol when actually it insignia and a symbol when actually it can insignia and a symbol when actually it can be insignia and a symbol when actually it can be just insignia and a symbol when actually it can be just be insignia and a symbol when actually it can be just be average insignia and a symbol when actually it can be just be average kakahu it can be just be average kakahu because it can be just be average kakahu because we're it can be just be average kakahu because we're criminalising it can be just be average kakahu because we're criminalising kaka it can be just be average kakahu because we're criminalising kaka u, because we're criminalising kaka u, it because we're criminalising kaka u, it is because we're criminalising kaka u, it is just because we're criminalising kaka u, it is just the because we're criminalising kaka u, it is just the leather because we're criminalising kaka u, it is just the leather patch, because we're criminalising kaka u, it is just the leather patch, I it is just the leather patch, I should it is just the leather patch, I should have it is just the leather patch, I should have asked it is just the leather patch, I should have asked my it is just the leather patch, I should have asked my uncle it is just the leather patch, I should have asked my uncle for it is just the leather patch, I should have asked my uncle for his should have asked my uncle for his patch, should have asked my uncle for his patch, bring should have asked my uncle for his patch, bring it should have asked my uncle for his patch, bring it into should have asked my uncle for his patch, bring it into the should have asked my uncle for his patch, bring it into the House, should have asked my uncle for his patch, bring it into the House, is patch, bring it into the House, is it patch, bring it into the House, is it just patch, bring it into the House, is it just only patch, bring it into the House, is it just only the patch, bring it into the House, is it just only the patch, patch, bring it into the House, is it just only the patch, is patch, bring it into the House, is it just only the patch, is it patch, bring it into the House, is it just only the patch, is it the it just only the patch, is it the jersey, it just only the patch, is it the jersey, T-shirt, it just only the patch, is it the jersey, T-shirt, on it just only the patch, is it the jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna it just only the patch, is it the jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or it just only the patch, is it the jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or the jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or the jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or the jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or the colours that jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or the colours that I jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or the colours that I wear jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or the colours that I wear because jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or the colours that I wear because I jersey, T-shirt, on bandanna or the colours that I wear because I know colours that I wear because I know just colours that I wear because I know just like colours that I wear because I know just like Tokerau, colours that I wear because I know just like Tokerau, I colours that I wear because I know just like Tokerau, I don't colours that I wear because I know just like Tokerau, I don't wear colours that I wear because I know just like Tokerau, I don't wear red, just like Tokerau, I don't wear red, don't just like Tokerau, I don't wear red, don't wear just like Tokerau, I don't wear red, don't wear red just like Tokerau, I don't wear red, don't wear red in just like Tokerau, I don't wear red, don't wear red in Whangarei just like Tokerau, I don't wear red, don't wear red in Whangarei unless don't wear red in Whangarei unless you're don't wear red in Whangarei unless you're heads don't wear red in Whangarei unless you're heads up. don't wear red in Whangarei unless you're heads up. So don't wear red in Whangarei unless you're heads up. So that's don't wear red in Whangarei unless you're heads up. So that's what don't wear red in Whangarei unless you're heads up. So that's what I you're heads up. So that's what I want you're heads up. So that's what I want to you're heads up. So that's what I want to explore you're heads up. So that's what I want to explore with you're heads up. So that's what I want to explore with the you're heads up. So that's what I want to explore with the Minister you're heads up. So that's what I want to explore with the Minister - want to explore with the Minister - is want to explore with the Minister - is how want to explore with the Minister - is how on want to explore with the Minister - is how on earth want to explore with the Minister - is how on earth are want to explore with the Minister - is how on earth are we want to explore with the Minister - is how on earth are we going want to explore with the Minister - is how on earth are we going to is how on earth are we going to successfully is how on earth are we going to successfully prosecute is how on earth are we going to successfully prosecute that is how on earth are we going to successfully prosecute that a is how on earth are we going to successfully prosecute that a person successfully prosecute that a person knowingly successfully prosecute that a person knowingly knew successfully prosecute that a person knowingly knew that successfully prosecute that a person knowingly knew that in successfully prosecute that a person knowingly knew that in the knowingly knew that in the laundromat knowingly knew that in the laundromat they knowingly knew that in the laundromat they were knowingly knew that in the laundromat they were drying knowingly knew that in the laundromat they were drying their laundromat they were drying their clothes laundromat they were drying their clothes that laundromat they were drying their clothes that way laundromat they were drying their clothes that way were laundromat they were drying their clothes that way were breaking laundromat they were drying their clothes that way were breaking the clothes that way were breaking the law clothes that way were breaking the law wearing clothes that way were breaking the law wearing a clothes that way were breaking the law wearing a gang clothes that way were breaking the law wearing a gang T-shirt? clothes that way were breaking the law wearing a gang T-shirt? 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And the gang T-shirt might just say - Black gang T-shirt might just say - Black Power gang T-shirt might just say - Black Power or gang T-shirt might just say - Black Power or Manuka gang T-shirt might just say - Black Power or Manuka a, gang T-shirt might just say - Black Power or Manuka a, may gang T-shirt might just say - Black Power or Manuka a, may not gang T-shirt might just say - Black Power or Manuka a, may not even gang T-shirt might just say - Black Power or Manuka a, may not even be Power or Manuka a, may not even be the Power or Manuka a, may not even be the entire Power or Manuka a, may not even be the entire insignia, Power or Manuka a, may not even be the entire insignia, how Power or Manuka a, may not even be the entire insignia, how does Power or Manuka a, may not even be the entire insignia, how does the the entire insignia, how does the police the entire insignia, how does the police officer the entire insignia, how does the police officer define the entire insignia, how does the police officer define what the entire insignia, how does the police officer define what gang police officer define what gang insignia police officer define what gang insignia is? police officer define what gang insignia is? 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Now, speak briefly to the paper marked U. Perhaps 8A, clause 8A. Now, I speak briefly to the paper marked U. Perhaps 8A, clause 8A. Now, I object Perhaps 8A, clause 8A. Now, I object to Perhaps 8A, clause 8A. Now, I object to the Perhaps 8A, clause 8A. Now, I object to the clause, Perhaps 8A, clause 8A. Now, I object to the clause, full Perhaps 8A, clause 8A. Now, I object to the clause, full stop, Perhaps 8A, clause 8A. Now, I object to the clause, full stop, but Perhaps 8A, clause 8A. Now, I object to the clause, full stop, but in to the clause, full stop, but in terms to the clause, full stop, but in terms of to the clause, full stop, but in terms of what to the clause, full stop, but in terms of what is to the clause, full stop, but in terms of what is the to the clause, full stop, but in terms of what is the triggering terms of what is the triggering prohibition, terms of what is the triggering prohibition, I terms of what is the triggering prohibition, I understand terms of what is the triggering prohibition, I understand possessing prohibition, I understand possessing gang prohibition, I understand possessing gang insignia prohibition, I understand possessing gang insignia if prohibition, I understand possessing gang insignia if you prohibition, I understand possessing gang insignia if you have prohibition, I understand possessing gang insignia if you have - prohibition, I understand possessing gang insignia if you have - if prohibition, I understand possessing gang insignia if you have - if you gang insignia if you have - if you have gang insignia if you have - if you to gang insignia if you have - if you have been fallen gang insignia if you have - if you have been fallen foul gang insignia if you have - if you have been fallen foul three gang insignia if you have - if you have been fallen foul three Times, have been fallen foul three Times, are have been fallen foul three Times, are possessing have been fallen foul three Times, are possessing gang have been fallen foul three Times, are possessing gang insignia have been fallen foul three Times, are possessing gang insignia is have been fallen foul three Times, are possessing gang insignia is one, are possessing gang insignia is one, controlling are possessing gang insignia is one, controlling gang are possessing gang insignia is one, controlling gang insignia, are possessing gang insignia is one, controlling gang insignia, having are possessing gang insignia is one, controlling gang insignia, having it controlling gang insignia, having it in controlling gang insignia, having it in your controlling gang insignia, having it in your room, controlling gang insignia, having it in your room, perhaps controlling gang insignia, having it in your room, perhaps or controlling gang insignia, having it in your room, perhaps or in controlling gang insignia, having it in your room, perhaps or in the in your room, perhaps or in the house in your room, perhaps or in the house that in your room, perhaps or in the house that you in your room, perhaps or in the house that you have in your room, perhaps or in the house that you have exclusive house that you have exclusive possession house that you have exclusive possession of, house that you have exclusive possession of, what house that you have exclusive possession of, what I house that you have exclusive possession of, what I have house that you have exclusive possession of, what I have trouble possession of, what I have trouble is possession of, what I have trouble is clause possession of, what I have trouble is clause C possession of, what I have trouble is clause C - possession of, what I have trouble is clause C - gang possession of, what I have trouble is clause C - gang insignia possession of, what I have trouble is clause C - gang insignia being possession of, what I have trouble is clause C - gang insignia being at is clause C - gang insignia being at the is clause C - gang insignia being at the usual is clause C - gang insignia being at the usual place is clause C - gang insignia being at the usual place of is clause C - gang insignia being at the usual place of residence. is clause C - gang insignia being at the usual place of residence. Now, the usual place of residence. Now, the the usual place of residence. Now, the fact the usual place of residence. Now, the fact of the usual place of residence. Now, the fact of the the usual place of residence. Now, the fact of the matter the usual place of residence. Now, the fact of the matter is the usual place of residence. Now, the fact of the matter is that the usual place of residence. Now, the fact of the matter is that many the fact of the matter is that many people the fact of the matter is that many people live the fact of the matter is that many people live in the fact of the matter is that many people live in relatively the fact of the matter is that many people live in relatively communal people live in relatively communal living people live in relatively communal living circumstances. people live in relatively communal living circumstances. If people live in relatively communal living circumstances. If we people live in relatively communal living circumstances. If we take, living circumstances. If we take, for living circumstances. If we take, for example, living circumstances. If we take, for example, a living circumstances. If we take, for example, a small living circumstances. If we take, for example, a small boarding living circumstances. If we take, for example, a small boarding house for example, a small boarding house or for example, a small boarding house or a for example, a small boarding house or a flatmate for example, a small boarding house or a flatmate situation, for example, a small boarding house or a flatmate situation, the for example, a small boarding house or a flatmate situation, the gang or a flatmate situation, the gang insignia or a flatmate situation, the gang insignia - or a flatmate situation, the gang insignia - the or a flatmate situation, the gang insignia - the person or a flatmate situation, the gang insignia - the person subject or a flatmate situation, the gang insignia - the person subject to or a flatmate situation, the gang insignia - the person subject to the insignia - the person subject to the order insignia - the person subject to the order might insignia - the person subject to the order might know, insignia - the person subject to the order might know, he insignia - the person subject to the order might know, he might insignia - the person subject to the order might know, he might actually order might know, he might actually be order might know, he might actually be happy order might know, he might actually be happy to order might know, he might actually be happy to be order might know, he might actually be happy to be living order might know, he might actually be happy to be living in order might know, he might actually be happy to be living in a order might know, he might actually be happy to be living in a house be happy to be living in a house with be happy to be living in a house with other be happy to be living in a house with other gang be happy to be living in a house with other gang members, be happy to be living in a house with other gang members, that's be happy to be living in a house with other gang members, that's what with other gang members, that's what that with other gang members, that's what that goes with other gang members, that's what that goes on, with other gang members, that's what that goes on, right? with other gang members, that's what that goes on, right? Now, with other gang members, that's what that goes on, right? Now, if with other gang members, that's what that goes on, right? Now, if they're that goes on, right? Now, if they're living that goes on, right? Now, if they're living there, that goes on, right? Now, if they're living there, someone that goes on, right? Now, if they're living there, someone down that goes on, right? Now, if they're living there, someone down the that goes on, right? Now, if they're living there, someone down the hall living there, someone down the hall in living there, someone down the hall in their living there, someone down the hall in their own living there, someone down the hall in their own room living there, someone down the hall in their own room with living there, someone down the hall in their own room with exclusive in their own room with exclusive control in their own room with exclusive control over in their own room with exclusive control over that in their own room with exclusive control over that room in their own room with exclusive control over that room might in their own room with exclusive control over that room might have control over that room might have their control over that room might have their own control over that room might have their own gang control over that room might have their own gang patch control over that room might have their own gang patch hanging control over that room might have their own gang patch hanging up control over that room might have their own gang patch hanging up in their own gang patch hanging up in the their own gang patch hanging up in the cupboard their own gang patch hanging up in the cupboard and their own gang patch hanging up in the cupboard and yet their own gang patch hanging up in the cupboard and yet because their own gang patch hanging up in the cupboard and yet because this the cupboard and yet because this person the cupboard and yet because this person subject the cupboard and yet because this person subject to the cupboard and yet because this person subject to the the cupboard and yet because this person subject to the order the cupboard and yet because this person subject to the order knows person subject to the order knows about person subject to the order knows about it, person subject to the order knows about it, it person subject to the order knows about it, it would person subject to the order knows about it, it would appear person subject to the order knows about it, it would appear that person subject to the order knows about it, it would appear that they about it, it would appear that they are about it, it would appear that they are intentionally about it, it would appear that they are intentionally breaching about it, it would appear that they are intentionally breaching that are intentionally breaching that because are intentionally breaching that because they're are intentionally breaching that because they're in are intentionally breaching that because they're in the are intentionally breaching that because they're in the house, are intentionally breaching that because they're in the house, in because they're in the house, in their because they're in the house, in their usual because they're in the house, in their usual place because they're in the house, in their usual place of because they're in the house, in their usual place of residence, their usual place of residence, there their usual place of residence, there is their usual place of residence, there is a their usual place of residence, there is a gang their usual place of residence, there is a gang patch. their usual place of residence, there is a gang patch. It's their usual place of residence, there is a gang patch. It's not there is a gang patch. It's not their there is a gang patch. It's not their gang there is a gang patch. It's not their gang patch, there is a gang patch. It's not their gang patch, they there is a gang patch. It's not their gang patch, they don't there is a gang patch. It's not their gang patch, they don't have their gang patch, they don't have control their gang patch, they don't have control over their gang patch, they don't have control over the their gang patch, they don't have control over the gang their gang patch, they don't have control over the gang patch, their gang patch, they don't have control over the gang patch, but control over the gang patch, but they control over the gang patch, but they - control over the gang patch, but they - they're control over the gang patch, but they - they're there, control over the gang patch, but they - they're there, they control over the gang patch, but they - they're there, they know control over the gang patch, but they - they're there, they know it's they - they're there, they know it's - they - they're there, they know it's - they they - they're there, they know it's - they know they - they're there, they know it's - they know it's they - they're there, they know it's - they know it's there, they - they're there, they know it's - they know it's there, they're - they know it's there, they're intentionally - they know it's there, they're intentionally in - they know it's there, they're intentionally in that - they know it's there, they're intentionally in that house, - they know it's there, they're intentionally in that house, and - they know it's there, they're intentionally in that house, and so intentionally in that house, and so it intentionally in that house, and so it would intentionally in that house, and so it would - intentionally in that house, and so it would - they intentionally in that house, and so it would - they would intentionally in that house, and so it would - they would fall intentionally in that house, and so it would - they would fall foul intentionally in that house, and so it would - they would fall foul of it would - they would fall foul of that. it would - they would fall foul of that. My it would - they would fall foul of that. My point it would - they would fall foul of that. My point is it would - they would fall foul of that. My point is this: it would - they would fall foul of that. My point is this: Despicable that. My point is this: Despicable as that. My point is this: Despicable as this that. My point is this: Despicable as this whole that. My point is this: Despicable as this whole clause that. My point is this: Despicable as this whole clause is, that. My point is this: Despicable as this whole clause is, you that. My point is this: Despicable as this whole clause is, you simply as this whole clause is, you simply as this whole clause is, you simply as this whole clause is, you simply don't need as this whole clause is, you simply don't need C as this whole clause is, you simply don't need C because as this whole clause is, you simply don't need C because the as this whole clause is, you simply don't need C because the person as this whole clause is, you simply don't need C because the person if don't need C because the person if it's don't need C because the person if it's in don't need C because the person if it's in a don't need C because the person if it's in a house don't need C because the person if it's in a house situation don't need C because the person if it's in a house situation or don't need C because the person if it's in a house situation or gang it's in a house situation or gang house it's in a house situation or gang house situation, it's in a house situation or gang house situation, well, it's in a house situation or gang house situation, well, they it's in a house situation or gang house situation, well, they can't house situation, well, they can't have house situation, well, they can't have possession house situation, well, they can't have possession of house situation, well, they can't have possession of a house situation, well, they can't have possession of a gang house situation, well, they can't have possession of a gang insignia have possession of a gang insignia and have possession of a gang insignia and they have possession of a gang insignia and they can't have possession of a gang insignia and they can't have have possession of a gang insignia and they can't have control have possession of a gang insignia and they can't have control of have possession of a gang insignia and they can't have control of the and they can't have control of the gang and they can't have control of the gang insignia, and they can't have control of the gang insignia, but and they can't have control of the gang insignia, but you and they can't have control of the gang insignia, but you can't and they can't have control of the gang insignia, but you can't insist gang insignia, but you can't insist that gang insignia, but you can't insist that they gang insignia, but you can't insist that they control gang insignia, but you can't insist that they control other gang insignia, but you can't insist that they control other people gang insignia, but you can't insist that they control other people who that they control other people who are that they control other people who are in that they control other people who are in the that they control other people who are in the same that they control other people who are in the same residence. that they control other people who are in the same residence. That's are in the same residence. That's just are in the same residence. That's just - are in the same residence. That's just - it's are in the same residence. That's just - it's - are in the same residence. That's just - it's - it's are in the same residence. That's just - it's - it's extending are in the same residence. That's just - it's - it's extending the just - it's - it's extending the scope. just - it's - it's extending the scope. So just - it's - it's extending the scope. So I'd just - it's - it's extending the scope. So I'd be just - it's - it's extending the scope. So I'd be interested just - it's - it's extending the scope. So I'd be interested in scope. So I'd be interested in whether scope. So I'd be interested in whether you'd scope. So I'd be interested in whether you'd look scope. So I'd be interested in whether you'd look at scope. So I'd be interested in whether you'd look at getting scope. So I'd be interested in whether you'd look at getting rid scope. So I'd be interested in whether you'd look at getting rid of whether you'd look at getting rid of that whether you'd look at getting rid of that usual whether you'd look at getting rid of that usual place whether you'd look at getting rid of that usual place of whether you'd look at getting rid of that usual place of residence that usual place of residence because that usual place of residence because it that usual place of residence because it does that usual place of residence because it does not that usual place of residence because it does not work that usual place of residence because it does not work and that usual place of residence because it does not work and expands because it does not work and expands the because it does not work and expands the scope because it does not work and expands the scope of because it does not work and expands the scope of it because it does not work and expands the scope of it quite because it does not work and expands the scope of it quite un because it does not work and expands the scope of it quite un reasonably the scope of it quite un reasonably and the scope of it quite un reasonably and what the scope of it quite un reasonably and what it the scope of it quite un reasonably and what it - the scope of it quite un reasonably and what it - in the scope of it quite un reasonably and what it - in effect the scope of it quite un reasonably and what it - in effect it the scope of it quite un reasonably and what it - in effect it does the scope of it quite un reasonably and what it - in effect it does is and what it - in effect it does is imposes and what it - in effect it does is imposes the and what it - in effect it does is imposes the order and what it - in effect it does is imposes the order on and what it - in effect it does is imposes the order on third and what it - in effect it does is imposes the order on third parties. imposes the order on third parties. the imposes the order on third parties. the order imposes the order on third parties. the order on imposes the order on third parties. the order on third imposes the order on third parties. the order on third parties. the order on third parties. Now, the order on third parties. Now, Minister, the order on third parties. Now, Minister, look, the order on third parties. Now, Minister, look, you're the order on third parties. 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I weren't going to debate it but this is the only chance we'll get. I want is the only chance we'll get. I want to is the only chance we'll get. I want to talk is the only chance we'll get. I want to talk about is the only chance we'll get. I want to talk about the is the only chance we'll get. I want to talk about the clause is the only chance we'll get. I want to talk about the clause 8a1 is the only chance we'll get. 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I guess my question is this insignia prohibition order. I guess my question is this - insignia prohibition order. I guess my question is this - why insignia prohibition order. I guess my question is this - why do insignia prohibition order. I guess my question is this - why do you my question is this - why do you need my question is this - why do you need a my question is this - why do you need a "must" my question is this - why do you need a "must" in my question is this - why do you need a "must" in there? my question is this - why do you need a "must" in there? Why my question is this - why do you need a "must" in there? Why can't need a "must" in there? Why can't you need a "must" in there? Why can't you leave need a "must" in there? Why can't you leave it need a "must" in there? Why can't you leave it up need a "must" in there? Why can't you leave it up to need a "must" in there? Why can't you leave it up to the need a "must" in there? Why can't you leave it up to the court need a "must" in there? Why can't you leave it up to the court to need a "must" in there? Why can't you leave it up to the court to see you leave it up to the court to see whether you leave it up to the court to see whether it's you leave it up to the court to see whether it's appropriate you leave it up to the court to see whether it's appropriate in you leave it up to the court to see whether it's appropriate in all you leave it up to the court to see whether it's appropriate in all the whether it's appropriate in all the circumstances? whether it's appropriate in all the circumstances? The whether it's appropriate in all the circumstances? The priority whether it's appropriate in all the circumstances? The priority offences circumstances? The priority offences may circumstances? The priority offences may have circumstances? The priority offences may have been circumstances? The priority offences may have been trivial, circumstances? The priority offences may have been trivial, or circumstances? The priority offences may have been trivial, or it circumstances? The priority offences may have been trivial, or it may circumstances? The priority offences may have been trivial, or it may be may have been trivial, or it may be clear may have been trivial, or it may be clear that may have been trivial, or it may be clear that it's may have been trivial, or it may be clear that it's simply may have been trivial, or it may be clear that it's simply not clear that it's simply not necessary. clear that it's simply not necessary. Because clear that it's simply not necessary. Because this clear that it's simply not necessary. Because this is, clear that it's simply not necessary. Because this is, once necessary. Because this is, once again, necessary. Because this is, once again, a necessary. Because this is, once again, a constraint necessary. Because this is, once again, a constraint on necessary. Because this is, once again, a constraint on freedom necessary. Because this is, once again, a constraint on freedom of again, a constraint on freedom of expression again, a constraint on freedom of expression and again, a constraint on freedom of expression and it again, a constraint on freedom of expression and it goes again, a constraint on freedom of expression and it goes right again, a constraint on freedom of expression and it goes right at again, a constraint on freedom of expression and it goes right at - expression and it goes right at - not expression and it goes right at - not only expression and it goes right at - not only is expression and it goes right at - not only is it expression and it goes right at - not only is it about expression and it goes right at - not only is it about public not only is it about public expression, not only is it about public expression, it not only is it about public expression, it goes not only is it about public expression, it goes to not only is it about public expression, it goes to private expression, it goes to private expression. expression, it goes to private expression. This expression, it goes to private expression. This is expression, it goes to private expression. This is almost expression, it goes to private expression. This is almost kind expression, it goes to private expression. This is almost kind of expression. This is almost kind of creating expression. This is almost kind of creating a expression. This is almost kind of creating a thought expression. This is almost kind of creating a thought crime expression. This is almost kind of creating a thought crime in expression. This is almost kind of creating a thought crime in the creating a thought crime in the sense creating a thought crime in the sense that creating a thought crime in the sense that you're creating a thought crime in the sense that you're not creating a thought crime in the sense that you're not allowed creating a thought crime in the sense that you're not allowed to sense that you're not allowed to have, sense that you're not allowed to have, in sense that you're not allowed to have, in your sense that you're not allowed to have, in your own sense that you're not allowed to have, in your own bedroom, sense that you're not allowed to have, in your own bedroom, a sense that you're not allowed to have, in your own bedroom, a symbol have, in your own bedroom, a symbol on have, in your own bedroom, a symbol on the have, in your own bedroom, a symbol on the wall have, in your own bedroom, a symbol on the wall which have, in your own bedroom, a symbol on the wall which represents have, in your own bedroom, a symbol on the wall which represents a have, in your own bedroom, a symbol on the wall which represents a gang on the wall which represents a gang affiliation. on the wall which represents a gang affiliation. So on the wall which represents a gang affiliation. So that's on the wall which represents a gang affiliation. So that's it, on the wall which represents a gang affiliation. So that's it, right? affiliation. So that's it, right? This affiliation. So that's it, right? This is affiliation. So that's it, right? This is like affiliation. So that's it, right? This is like 1984 affiliation. So that's it, right? This is like 1984 stuff. affiliation. So that's it, right? This is like 1984 stuff. In affiliation. So that's it, right? This is like 1984 stuff. In people's This is like 1984 stuff. In people's private This is like 1984 stuff. In people's private spaces, This is like 1984 stuff. In people's private spaces, they This is like 1984 stuff. In people's private spaces, they can't This is like 1984 stuff. In people's private spaces, they can't have This is like 1984 stuff. In people's private spaces, they can't have an private spaces, they can't have an expression private spaces, they can't have an expression of private spaces, they can't have an expression of gang private spaces, they can't have an expression of gang affiliation. private spaces, they can't have an expression of gang affiliation. That expression of gang affiliation. That is expression of gang affiliation. That is alarming. expression of gang affiliation. That is alarming. Now, expression of gang affiliation. That is alarming. Now, you're expression of gang affiliation. That is alarming. Now, you're telling expression of gang affiliation. That is alarming. Now, you're telling a is alarming. Now, you're telling a court is alarming. Now, you're telling a court that is alarming. Now, you're telling a court that they is alarming. Now, you're telling a court that they must is alarming. Now, you're telling a court that they must make is alarming. Now, you're telling a court that they must make that is alarming. Now, you're telling a court that they must make that order court that they must make that order and court that they must make that order and I court that they must make that order and I don't court that they must make that order and I don't understand court that they must make that order and I don't understand why court that they must make that order and I don't understand why you court that they must make that order and I don't understand why you need and I don't understand why you need that and I don't understand why you need that compulsion. that compulsion. To that compulsion. To say, that compulsion. To say, on that compulsion. To say, on this that compulsion. To say, on this - that compulsion. To say, on this - it's that compulsion. To say, on this - it's essentially To say, on this - it's essentially three To say, on this - it's essentially three strikes To say, on this - it's essentially three strikes - To say, on this - it's essentially three strikes - you've To say, on this - it's essentially three strikes - you've mixed To say, on this - it's essentially three strikes - you've mixed up three strikes - you've mixed up three three strikes - you've mixed up three strikes, three strikes - you've mixed up three strikes, FPOs three strikes - you've mixed up three strikes, FPOs and three strikes - you've mixed up three strikes, FPOs and gang three strikes - you've mixed up three strikes, FPOs and gang patch three strikes, FPOs and gang patch bans. three strikes, FPOs and gang patch bans. You've three strikes, FPOs and gang patch bans. You've got three strikes, FPOs and gang patch bans. You've got a three strikes, FPOs and gang patch bans. You've got a three-strike three strikes, FPOs and gang patch bans. You've got a three-strike gang bans. You've got a three-strike gang patch bans. You've got a three-strike gang patch prohibition bans. You've got a three-strike gang patch prohibition order. bans. You've got a three-strike gang patch prohibition order. So bans. You've got a three-strike gang patch prohibition order. So I'd bans. You've got a three-strike gang patch prohibition order. So I'd be patch prohibition order. So I'd be interested patch prohibition order. So I'd be interested in patch prohibition order. So I'd be interested in knowing patch prohibition order. So I'd be interested in knowing whether patch prohibition order. So I'd be interested in knowing whether the interested in knowing whether the Minister interested in knowing whether the Minister has interested in knowing whether the Minister has determined interested in knowing whether the Minister has determined whether interested in knowing whether the Minister has determined whether a Minister has determined whether a district Minister has determined whether a district court Minister has determined whether a district court judge Minister has determined whether a district court judge must Minister has determined whether a district court judge must make Minister has determined whether a district court judge must make that district court judge must make that order district court judge must make that order or district court judge must make that order or whether district court judge must make that order or whether he'll district court judge must make that order or whether he'll just district court judge must make that order or whether he'll just them district court judge must make that order or whether he'll just them to order or whether he'll just them to make order or whether he'll just them to make the order or whether he'll just them to make the order order or whether he'll just them to make the order if order or whether he'll just them to make the order if appropriate. order or whether he'll just them to make the order if appropriate. The make the order if appropriate. The Hon make the order if appropriate. The Hon Paul make the order if appropriate. The Hon Paul Goldsmith. make the order if appropriate. The Hon Paul Goldsmith. I make the order if appropriate. The Hon Paul Goldsmith. I wanted make the order if appropriate. The Hon Paul Goldsmith. I wanted to Hon Paul Goldsmith. I wanted to respond. Hon Paul Goldsmith. I wanted to respond. In Hon Paul Goldsmith. I wanted to respond. In terms Hon Paul Goldsmith. I wanted to respond. In terms of Hon Paul Goldsmith. I wanted to respond. In terms of the Hon Paul Goldsmith. I wanted to respond. In terms of the amendment respond. In terms of the amendment papers respond. In terms of the amendment papers around respond. In terms of the amendment papers around if respond. In terms of the amendment papers around if somebody respond. In terms of the amendment papers around if somebody has respond. In terms of the amendment papers around if somebody has been papers around if somebody has been convicted papers around if somebody has been convicted three papers around if somebody has been convicted three times papers around if somebody has been convicted three times for papers around if somebody has been convicted three times for flouting convicted three times for flouting the convicted three times for flouting the gang convicted three times for flouting the gang patch convicted three times for flouting the gang patch ban, convicted three times for flouting the gang patch ban, that convicted three times for flouting the gang patch ban, that is convicted three times for flouting the gang patch ban, that is the the gang patch ban, that is the consequence... the gang patch ban, that is the consequence... There the gang patch ban, that is the consequence... There are the gang patch ban, that is the consequence... There are a the gang patch ban, that is the consequence... There are a series the gang patch ban, that is the consequence... There are a series of consequence... There are a series of consequences consequence... There are a series of consequences that consequence... There are a series of consequences that flow consequence... There are a series of consequences that flow so consequence... There are a series of consequences that flow so as consequence... There are a series of consequences that flow so as to consequence... 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Would it be more appropriate for gang insignia to appropriate for gang insignia to either appropriate for gang insignia to either be appropriate for gang insignia to either be blurred appropriate for gang insignia to either be blurred or appropriate for gang insignia to either be blurred or to appropriate for gang insignia to either be blurred or to be appropriate for gang insignia to either be blurred or to be used appropriate for gang insignia to either be blurred or to be used in appropriate for gang insignia to either be blurred or to be used in a either be blurred or to be used in a way either be blurred or to be used in a way which either be blurred or to be used in a way which does either be blurred or to be used in a way which does not either be blurred or to be used in a way which does not show either be blurred or to be used in a way which does not show the either be blurred or to be used in a way which does not show the full way which does not show the full picture? way which does not show the full picture? 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And I would put it to her that media reporting about gangs can that media reporting about gangs can be that media reporting about gangs can be done that media reporting about gangs can be done in that media reporting about gangs can be done in a that media reporting about gangs can be done in a way that media reporting about gangs can be done in a way which that media reporting about gangs can be done in a way which does that media reporting about gangs can be done in a way which does not be done in a way which does not glamorise be done in a way which does not glamorise gangs, be done in a way which does not glamorise gangs, does be done in a way which does not glamorise gangs, does not be done in a way which does not glamorise gangs, does not use be done in a way which does not glamorise gangs, does not use their glamorise gangs, does not use their insignia, glamorise gangs, does not use their insignia, does glamorise gangs, does not use their insignia, does not glamorise gangs, does not use their insignia, does not promote glamorise gangs, does not use their insignia, does not promote the glamorise gangs, does not use their insignia, does not promote the way insignia, does not promote the way that insignia, does not promote the way that gangs insignia, does not promote the way that gangs display insignia, does not promote the way that gangs display themselves insignia, does not promote the way that gangs display themselves in insignia, does not promote the way that gangs display themselves in a that gangs display themselves in a sort that gangs display themselves in a sort of that gangs display themselves in a sort of uniform that gangs display themselves in a sort of uniform to that gangs display themselves in a sort of uniform to signify that gangs display themselves in a sort of uniform to signify that that gangs display themselves in a sort of uniform to signify that they sort of uniform to signify that they are sort of uniform to signify that they are together sort of uniform to signify that they are together and sort of uniform to signify that they are together and they sort of uniform to signify that they are together and they are sort of uniform to signify that they are together and they are an are together and they are an organised are together and they are an organised movement. are together and they are an organised movement. 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The INTERPRETER: 1 vote opposed. The Ayes INTERPRETER: 1 vote opposed. The Ayes are INTERPRETER: 1 vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. INTERPRETER: 1 vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. The INTERPRETER: 1 vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. The Noes INTERPRETER: 1 vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are INTERPRETER: 1 vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is agreed The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is agreed to. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is agreed to. The The motion is agreed to. The question The motion is agreed to. The question is The motion is agreed to. The question is that The motion is agreed to. The question is that the The motion is agreed to. The question is that the Hon The motion is agreed to. The question is that the Hon Dr The motion is agreed to. The question is that the Hon Dr Duncan question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to amendment Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 to Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 to replace Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 to replace "must" paper number 51 to replace "must" with paper number 51 to replace "must" with "may" paper number 51 to replace "must" with "may" and paper number 51 to replace "must" with "may" and new paper number 51 to replace "must" with "may" and new subclass paper number 51 to replace "must" with "may" and new subclass 8a paper number 51 to replace "must" with "may" and new subclass 8a be with "may" and new subclass 8a be agreed with "may" and new subclass 8a be agreed to. with "may" and new subclass 8a be agreed to. Those with "may" and new subclass 8a be agreed to. Those in with "may" and new subclass 8a be agreed to. Those in favour with "may" and new subclass 8a be agreed to. Those in favour say with "may" and new subclass 8a be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have To the contrary no. The Noes have it. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote has To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote has been To the contrary no. The Noes have it. 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New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party of votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand First. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand First. 8 ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati Maori. Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes in Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen Tana. Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote in Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 58. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 58. The INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 58. The Noes INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 58. The Noes are INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 58. The Noes are 68. The Ayes are 58. The Noes are 68. The The Ayes are 58. The Noes are 68. The motion The Ayes are 58. The Noes are 68. The motion is The Ayes are 58. The Noes are 68. The motion is not The Ayes are 58. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed The Ayes are 58. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed to. The Ayes are 58. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed to. The The motion is not agreed to. The question The motion is not agreed to. The question is The motion is not agreed to. The question is that The motion is not agreed to. The question is that the The motion is not agreed to. The question is that the Hon The motion is not agreed to. The question is that the Hon Dr The motion is not agreed to. The question is that the Hon Dr Duncan question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to amendment Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 to Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 to delete Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 to delete new paper number 51 to delete new subclass paper number 51 to delete new subclass 8a2c paper number 51 to delete new subclass 8a2c be paper number 51 to delete new subclass 8a2c be agreed paper number 51 to delete new subclass 8a2c be agreed to. paper number 51 to delete new subclass 8a2c be agreed to. Those paper number 51 to delete new subclass 8a2c be agreed to. Those in subclass 8a2c be agreed to. Those in favour subclass 8a2c be agreed to. Those in favour say subclass 8a2c be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. subclass 8a2c be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To subclass 8a2c be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the subclass 8a2c be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary subclass 8a2c be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. favour say aye. To the contrary no. The favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote has The Noes have it. A party vote has been The Noes have it. A party vote has been called The Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. The Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. The The Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk The Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk will been called for. The Clerk will conduct been called for. The Clerk will conduct a been called for. The Clerk will conduct a party been called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. been called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. New been called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Zealand conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. 49 conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand first. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand first. 8 votes opposed. New Zealand first. 8 votes votes opposed. New Zealand first. 8 votes opposed. votes opposed. New Zealand first. 8 votes opposed. Te votes opposed. New Zealand first. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati votes opposed. New Zealand first. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati Maori. votes opposed. Te Paati Maori. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: Six <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: Six votes <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: Six votes in <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: One Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: One vote Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: One vote if Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: One vote if favour. Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: One vote if favour. -- INTERPRETER: One vote if favour. -- in INTERPRETER: One vote if favour. -- in favour. INTERPRETER: One vote if favour. -- in favour. The INTERPRETER: One vote if favour. -- in favour. The Ayes INTERPRETER: One vote if favour. -- in favour. The Ayes are INTERPRETER: One vote if favour. -- in favour. The Ayes are 55. INTERPRETER: One vote if favour. -- in favour. The Ayes are 55. The in favour. The Ayes are 55. The intoes in favour. The Ayes are 55. The intoes are in favour. The Ayes are 55. The intoes are 68. in favour. The Ayes are 55. The intoes are 68. Motion in favour. The Ayes are 55. The intoes are 68. Motion is in favour. The Ayes are 55. The intoes are 68. Motion is not in favour. The Ayes are 55. The intoes are 68. Motion is not agreed intoes are 68. Motion is not agreed to. intoes are 68. Motion is not agreed to. The intoes are 68. Motion is not agreed to. The question intoes are 68. Motion is not agreed to. The question is intoes are 68. Motion is not agreed to. The question is that intoes are 68. Motion is not agreed to. The question is that the intoes are 68. Motion is not agreed to. The question is that the Hon intoes are 68. Motion is not agreed to. The question is that the Hon Dr to. The question is that the Hon Dr Duncan to. The question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's to. The question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled to. The question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to. The question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to amendment Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 to Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to amendment paper number 51 to insert amendment paper number 51 to insert "are amendment paper number 51 to insert "are fine amendment paper number 51 to insert "are fine not amendment paper number 51 to insert "are fine not exceeding amendment paper number 51 to insert "are fine not exceeding $5,000" amendment paper number 51 to insert "are fine not exceeding $5,000" be "are fine not exceeding $5,000" be agreed "are fine not exceeding $5,000" be agreed tomorrow. "are fine not exceeding $5,000" be agreed tomorrow. Those "are fine not exceeding $5,000" be agreed tomorrow. 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New Zealand Labour. 34 votes votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. 34 votes in favour. Green 34 votes in favour. Green Party 34 votes in favour. Green Party of 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. 14 in favour. ACT 14 in favour. ACT New 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati Maori. Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes in Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen Tana. Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote in Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. The INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. The Noes INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is not The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed to. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed to. The The motion is not agreed to. The question The motion is not agreed to. The question is The motion is not agreed to. The question is that The motion is not agreed to. The question is that the The motion is not agreed to. The question is that the Minister's question is that the Minister's amendment question is that the Minister's amendment to question is that the Minister's amendment to part question is that the Minister's amendment to part 2, question is that the Minister's amendment to part 2, set question is that the Minister's amendment to part 2, set out question is that the Minister's amendment to part 2, set out on amendment to part 2, set out on amendment amendment to part 2, set out on amendment paper amendment to part 2, set out on amendment paper 51, amendment to part 2, set out on amendment paper 51, be amendment to part 2, set out on amendment paper 51, be agreed amendment to part 2, set out on amendment paper 51, be agreed to. amendment paper 51, be agreed to. All amendment paper 51, be agreed to. All those amendment paper 51, be agreed to. All those in amendment paper 51, be agreed to. All those in favour amendment paper 51, be agreed to. All those in favour say amendment paper 51, be agreed to. All those in favour say aye. amendment paper 51, be agreed to. All those in favour say aye. To amendment paper 51, be agreed to. All those in favour say aye. To the All those in favour say aye. To the contrary All those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. All those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The All those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Ayes All those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Ayes have All those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Ayes have it. All those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Ayes have it. No, contrary no. The Ayes have it. No, the contrary no. The Ayes have it. No, the Noes contrary no. The Ayes have it. No, the Noes have contrary no. The Ayes have it. No, the Noes have it. contrary no. The Ayes have it. No, the Noes have it. A contrary no. The Ayes have it. No, the Noes have it. A party contrary no. The Ayes have it. No, the Noes have it. 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New Zealand National. 49 votes in favour. conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes in favour. New National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand Labour. National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Party Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Party of Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 against. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 against. ACT Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 in 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 in favour. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 in favour. New 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 in favour. New Zealand 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 in favour. New Zealand First. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 in favour. New Zealand First. 8 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 in favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. Te favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. Te Paati favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. Te Paati Maori. in favour. Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: in favour. Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six in favour. Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes opposed. INTERPRETER: Six votes opposed. Darleen INTERPRETER: Six votes opposed. Darleen Tana. Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote opposed. INTERPRETER: One vote opposed. The INTERPRETER: One vote opposed. The Ayes INTERPRETER: One vote opposed. The Ayes are INTERPRETER: One vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. INTERPRETER: One vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. The INTERPRETER: One vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. The Noes INTERPRETER: One vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are INTERPRETER: One vote opposed. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is agreed The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is agreed to. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is agreed to. The The motion is agreed to. The question The motion is agreed to. The question is The motion is agreed to. The question is that The motion is agreed to. The question is that the The motion is agreed to. The question is that the Hon The motion is agreed to. The question is that the Hon Dr The motion is agreed to. The question is that the Hon Dr Duncan question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to clause Webb's tabled amendment to clause 7.1 Webb's tabled amendment to clause 7.1 be Webb's tabled amendment to clause 7.1 be agreed Webb's tabled amendment to clause 7.1 be agreed to. Webb's tabled amendment to clause 7.1 be agreed to. Those Webb's tabled amendment to clause 7.1 be agreed to. Those in Webb's tabled amendment to clause 7.1 be agreed to. Those in favour 7.1 be agreed to. Those in favour say 7.1 be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. 7.1 be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To 7.1 be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the 7.1 be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary 7.1 be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. 7.1 be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote has say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote has been Noes have it. A party vote has been called Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. The Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk will Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct Noes have it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct a called for. The Clerk will conduct a party called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. New called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Zealand called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. 49 party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party of 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in 34 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati Maori. Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: 6 Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: 6 votes Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: 6 votes in Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: 6 votes in favour. INTERPRETER: 6 votes in favour. Darleen INTERPRETER: 6 votes in favour. Darleen Tana. Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote in Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. Noes INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. Noes are INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. Noes are 68. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. Noes are 68. The The Ayes are 55. Noes are 68. The motion The Ayes are 55. Noes are 68. The motion is The Ayes are 55. Noes are 68. The motion is not The Ayes are 55. Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed The Ayes are 55. Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed to. The Ayes are 55. Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed to. The motion is not agreed to. The question motion is not agreed to. The question is motion is not agreed to. The question is that motion is not agreed to. The question is that the motion is not agreed to. The question is that the Hon motion is not agreed to. The question is that the Hon Dr motion is not agreed to. The question is that the Hon Dr Duncan question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to question is that the Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment to insert Webb's tabled amendment to insert clause Webb's tabled amendment to insert clause a6 Webb's tabled amendment to insert clause a6 relating Webb's tabled amendment to insert clause a6 relating to Webb's tabled amendment to insert clause a6 relating to books, clause a6 relating to books, magazines clause a6 relating to books, magazines or clause a6 relating to books, magazines or other clause a6 relating to books, magazines or other publications clause a6 relating to books, magazines or other publications be magazines or other publications be agreed magazines or other publications be agreed to. magazines or other publications be agreed to. Those magazines or other publications be agreed to. Those in magazines or other publications be agreed to. Those in favour magazines or other publications be agreed to. Those in favour say magazines or other publications be agreed to. Those in favour say aye. agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes agreed to. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Noes have To the contrary no. The Noes have it. To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote has To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote has been To the contrary no. The Noes have it. A party vote has been called it. A party vote has been called for. it. A party vote has been called for. The it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk will it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct a it. A party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct a party for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. vote. New vote. New Zealand vote. New Zealand National. vote. New Zealand National. 49 vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party of votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. ACT New Zealand. 11 opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati Maori. Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes in Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen Tana. Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote in Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. The INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. The Noes INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are INTERPRETER: One vote in favour. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is not The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed to. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed to. The The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The motion is not agreed to. The Hon The motion is not agreed to. The Hon Duncan The motion is not agreed to. The Hon Duncan Webb's The motion is not agreed to. The Hon Duncan Webb's amendment The motion is not agreed to. 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New Zealand National. 49 votes New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. New Zealand National. 49 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party opposed. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes in favour. Green Party of votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa, votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa, New votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa, New Zealand. votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa, New Zealand. 14 votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa, New Zealand. 14 in votes in favour. Green Party of Aotearoa, New Zealand. 14 in favour. Aotearoa, New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT Aotearoa, New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Aotearoa, New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. Aotearoa, New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 Aotearoa, New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes Aotearoa, New Zealand. 14 in favour. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand First. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand First. 8 ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes ACT New Zealand. 11 votes opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati New Zealand First. 8 votes opposed. Te Paati Maori. Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes in Te Paati Maori. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen INTERPRETER: Six votes in favour. Darleen Tana. Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One in Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: One in favour. INTERPRETER: One in favour. The INTERPRETER: One in favour. The Ayes INTERPRETER: One in favour. The Ayes are INTERPRETER: One in favour. The Ayes are 55. INTERPRETER: One in favour. The Ayes are 55. The INTERPRETER: One in favour. The Ayes are 55. The Noes INTERPRETER: One in favour. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are INTERPRETER: One in favour. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The notion The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The notion is The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The notion is not The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The notion is not agreed The Ayes are 55. The Noes are 68. The notion is not agreed to. The notion is not agreed to. The The notion is not agreed to. The Hon The notion is not agreed to. The Hon Dr The notion is not agreed to. The Hon Dr Duncan The notion is not agreed to. The Hon Dr Duncan Webb's The notion is not agreed to. The Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled The Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment The Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment related The Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment related to The Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment related to grave The Hon Dr Duncan Webb's tabled amendment related to grave markers amendment related to grave markers and amendment related to grave markers and head amendment related to grave markers and head stones amendment related to grave markers and head stones is amendment related to grave markers and head stones is out amendment related to grave markers and head stones is out of amendment related to grave markers and head stones is out of order. amendment related to grave markers and head stones is out of order. And and head stones is out of order. And the and head stones is out of order. And the same and head stones is out of order. And the same on and head stones is out of order. And the same on substance and head stones is out of order. And the same on substance as and head stones is out of order. And the same on substance as a the same on substance as a previously the same on substance as a previously agreed the same on substance as a previously agreed amendment. the same on substance as a previously agreed amendment. The previously agreed amendment. The question previously agreed amendment. The question is previously agreed amendment. The question is that previously agreed amendment. The question is that part previously agreed amendment. The question is that part 2 previously agreed amendment. The question is that part 2 as previously agreed amendment. The question is that part 2 as amended question is that part 2 as amended stand question is that part 2 as amended stand part. question is that part 2 as amended stand part. Those question is that part 2 as amended stand part. Those in question is that part 2 as amended stand part. Those in favour question is that part 2 as amended stand part. Those in favour say question is that part 2 as amended stand part. Those in favour say aye. stand part. Those in favour say aye. To stand part. Those in favour say aye. To the stand part. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary stand part. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. stand part. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The stand part. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Ayes stand part. Those in favour say aye. To the contrary no. The Ayes have To the contrary no. The Ayes have it. To the contrary no. The Ayes have it. Noes To the contrary no. The Ayes have it. Noes have To the contrary no. The Ayes have it. Noes have it. To the contrary no. The Ayes have it. Noes have it. Party To the contrary no. The Ayes have it. Noes have it. Party vote. To the contrary no. The Ayes have it. Noes have it. Party vote. A it. Noes have it. Party vote. A party it. Noes have it. Party vote. A party vote it. Noes have it. Party vote. A party vote has it. Noes have it. Party vote. A party vote has been it. Noes have it. Party vote. A party vote has been called it. Noes have it. Party vote. A party vote has been called for. it. Noes have it. Party vote. A party vote has been called for. The party vote has been called for. The Clerk party vote has been called for. The Clerk will party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct a party party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. party vote has been called for. The Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Zealand Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. 49 Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes Clerk will conduct a party vote. New Zealand National. 49 votes in Zealand National. 49 votes in favour. Zealand National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand Zealand National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand Labour. Zealand National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 Zealand National. 49 votes in favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Party favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Party of favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa favour. New Zealand Labour. 34 votes opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa New opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 against. opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 against. ACT opposed. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes in Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes in favour. Zealand. 14 against. ACT New Zealand. 11 votes in favour. New Zealand. 11 votes in favour. New Zealand Zealand. 11 votes in favour. New Zealand First. Zealand. 11 votes in favour. New Zealand First. 8 Zealand. 11 votes in favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes Zealand. 11 votes in favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes in Zealand. 11 votes in favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. Zealand. 11 votes in favour. New Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. Te Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. Te Paati Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. Te Paati Maori. Zealand First. 8 votes in favour. Te Paati Maori. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. Paati Maori. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: Paati Maori. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: Six Paati Maori. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: Six votes Paati Maori. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI>. INTERPRETER: Six votes opposed. INTERPRETER: Six votes opposed. Darleen INTERPRETER: Six votes opposed. Darleen Tana. INTERPRETER: Six votes opposed. Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> INTERPRETER: Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> INTERPRETER: One Darleen Tana. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> INTERPRETER: One opposed. INTERPRETER: One opposed. The INTERPRETER: One opposed. The Ayes INTERPRETER: One opposed. The Ayes are INTERPRETER: One opposed. The Ayes are 68. INTERPRETER: One opposed. The Ayes are 68. The INTERPRETER: One opposed. The Ayes are 68. The Noes INTERPRETER: One opposed. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are INTERPRETER: One opposed. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is agreed The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is agreed to. The Ayes are 68. The Noes are 55. The motion is agreed to. Members, The motion is agreed to. Members, the The motion is agreed to. Members, the time The motion is agreed to. Members, the time has The motion is agreed to. Members, the time has come The motion is agreed to. Members, the time has come for The motion is agreed to. Members, the time has come for me The motion is agreed to. Members, the time has come for me to The motion is agreed to. Members, the time has come for me to leave the time has come for me to leave the the time has come for me to leave the chair the time has come for me to leave the chair for the time has come for me to leave the chair for the the time has come for me to leave the chair for the dinner the time has come for me to leave the chair for the dinner break. the time has come for me to leave the chair for the dinner break. The the chair for the dinner break. The House the chair for the dinner break. The House will the chair for the dinner break. The House will resume the chair for the dinner break. The House will resume at the chair for the dinner break. The House will resume at 7:30. Captioned Captioned by Captioned by Red Captioned by Red Bee Captioned by Red Bee Media Red Bee Media for Red Bee Media for the Red Bee Media for the Office Red Bee Media for the Office of Red Bee Media for the Office of the Red Bee Media for the Office of the Clerk for the Office of the Clerk of for the Office of the Clerk of the for the Office of the Clerk of the House for the Office of the Clerk of the House of for the Office of the Clerk of the House of Representatives.