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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King we acknowledge the King and we acknowledge the King and pray we acknowledge the King and pray for we acknowledge the King and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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The big hurdle, however, for The big hurdle, however, for applications The big hurdle, however, for applications for The big hurdle, however, for applications for urgent The big hurdle, however, for applications for urgent debate The big hurdle, however, for applications for urgent debate is applications for urgent debate is whether applications for urgent debate is whether the applications for urgent debate is whether the issue applications for urgent debate is whether the issue raised applications for urgent debate is whether the issue raised warrants whether the issue raised warrants setting whether the issue raised warrants setting aside whether the issue raised warrants setting aside the whether the issue raised warrants setting aside the business whether the issue raised warrants setting aside the business of whether the issue raised warrants setting aside the business of the setting aside the business of the House. setting aside the business of the House. 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The House comes No bills have been introduced. The House comes to No bills have been introduced. The House comes to Oral No bills have been introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1. Sorry, Sorry, point Sorry, point of Sorry, point of order Sorry, point of order - Sorry, point of order - the Sorry, point of order - the Hon Sorry, point of order - the Hon Karen Sorry, point of order - the Hon Karen Chhour. Sorry, point of order - the Hon Karen Chhour. I Sorry, point of order - the Hon Karen Chhour. I seek Sorry, point of order - the Hon Karen Chhour. I seek leave Sorry, point of order - the Hon Karen Chhour. I seek leave to Karen Chhour. I seek leave to correct Karen Chhour. I seek leave to correct an Karen Chhour. I seek leave to correct an answer Karen Chhour. I seek leave to correct an answer I Karen Chhour. 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The Government's fiscal approach to Government's fiscal approach to Budget Government's fiscal approach to Budget 2025 Government's fiscal approach to Budget 2025 has Government's fiscal approach to Budget 2025 has three Government's fiscal approach to Budget 2025 has three elements: Budget 2025 has three elements: First, Budget 2025 has three elements: First, there Budget 2025 has three elements: First, there will Budget 2025 has three elements: First, there will be Budget 2025 has three elements: First, there will be a Budget 2025 has three elements: First, there will be a very Budget 2025 has three elements: First, there will be a very high Budget 2025 has three elements: First, there will be a very high bar First, there will be a very high bar for First, there will be a very high bar for new First, there will be a very high bar for new initiatives First, there will be a very high bar for new initiatives in First, there will be a very high bar for new initiatives in the First, there will be a very high bar for new initiatives in the Budget. for new initiatives in the Budget. 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Second, significant savings will Second, significant savings will need Second, significant savings will need to Second, significant savings will need to be Second, significant savings will need to be found Second, significant savings will need to be found beyond Second, significant savings will need to be found beyond those need to be found beyond those already need to be found beyond those already identified need to be found beyond those already identified in need to be found beyond those already identified in this need to be found beyond those already identified in this year's already identified in this year's Budget. already identified in this year's Budget. And already identified in this year's Budget. And third, already identified in this year's Budget. And third, with already identified in this year's Budget. And third, with a already identified in this year's Budget. And third, with a small Budget. And third, with a small number Budget. And third, with a small number of Budget. And third, with a small number of exceptions, Budget. And third, with a small number of exceptions, Government number of exceptions, Government departments number of exceptions, Government departments should number of exceptions, Government departments should expect number of exceptions, Government departments should expect to number of exceptions, Government departments should expect to receive departments should expect to receive no departments should expect to receive no additional departments should expect to receive no additional funding departments should expect to receive no additional funding in departments should expect to receive no additional funding in the departments should expect to receive no additional funding in the Budget. no additional funding in the Budget. They no additional funding in the Budget. They must no additional funding in the Budget. They must manage no additional funding in the Budget. They must manage cost no additional funding in the Budget. 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This need to reprioritise from existing activities. This Government need to reprioritise from existing activities. This Government is activities. This Government is serious activities. This Government is serious about activities. This Government is serious about responsible activities. This Government is serious about responsible management serious about responsible management of serious about responsible management of public serious about responsible management of public finances. serious about responsible management of public finances. Supplementary: of public finances. Supplementary: How of public finances. Supplementary: How will of public finances. Supplementary: How will she of public finances. Supplementary: How will she ensure of public finances. Supplementary: How will she ensure departments of public finances. 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The Government has introduced a new The Government has introduced a new tool The Government has introduced a new tool called The Government has introduced a new tool called Performance The Government has introduced a new tool called Performance Plans, The Government has introduced a new tool called Performance Plans, which tool called Performance Plans, which departments tool called Performance Plans, which departments must tool called Performance Plans, which departments must now tool called Performance Plans, which departments must now prepare. departments must now prepare. Departments departments must now prepare. Departments must departments must now prepare. Departments must set departments must now prepare. Departments must set out departments must now prepare. Departments must set out how departments must now prepare. Departments must set out how they Departments must set out how they are Departments must set out how they are planning Departments must set out how they are planning to Departments must set out how they are planning to deliver Departments must set out how they are planning to deliver within Departments must set out how they are planning to deliver within set are planning to deliver within set baselines are planning to deliver within set baselines over are planning to deliver within set baselines over the are planning to deliver within set baselines over the medium-term. are planning to deliver within set baselines over the medium-term. That baselines over the medium-term. That will baselines over the medium-term. That will almost baselines over the medium-term. That will almost certainly baselines over the medium-term. That will almost certainly involve will almost certainly involve trade-offs. will almost certainly involve trade-offs. Performance will almost certainly involve trade-offs. Performance Plans will almost certainly involve trade-offs. Performance Plans must trade-offs. Performance Plans must be trade-offs. Performance Plans must be clear trade-offs. Performance Plans must be clear about trade-offs. Performance Plans must be clear about those trade-offs. Performance Plans must be clear about those trade-offs trade-offs. Performance Plans must be clear about those trade-offs so be clear about those trade-offs so ministers be clear about those trade-offs so ministers can be clear about those trade-offs so ministers can make be clear about those trade-offs so ministers can make the be clear about those trade-offs so ministers can make the necessary ministers can make the necessary decisions. ministers can make the necessary decisions. Performance ministers can make the necessary decisions. Performance Plans ministers can make the necessary decisions. Performance Plans will decisions. Performance Plans will also decisions. Performance Plans will also set decisions. Performance Plans will also set out decisions. Performance Plans will also set out any decisions. Performance Plans will also set out any risks decisions. Performance Plans will also set out any risks to decisions. Performance Plans will also set out any risks to financial also set out any risks to financial sustainability, also set out any risks to financial sustainability, department sustainability, department performance sustainability, department performance or sustainability, department performance or delivery, sustainability, department performance or delivery, and sustainability, department performance or delivery, and explain performance or delivery, and explain how performance or delivery, and explain how those performance or delivery, and explain how those risks performance or delivery, and explain how those risks will performance or delivery, and explain how those risks will be performance or delivery, and explain how those risks will be managed. how those risks will be managed. Performance how those risks will be managed. Performance Plans how those risks will be managed. Performance Plans are how those risks will be managed. Performance Plans are an how those risks will be managed. 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Getting passport wait times down to times as a top priority. Getting passport wait times down to the passport wait times down to the standard passport wait times down to the standard two passport wait times down to the standard two weeks passport wait times down to the standard two weeks continues passport wait times down to the standard two weeks continues to passport wait times down to the standard two weeks continues to be passport wait times down to the standard two weeks continues to be a standard two weeks continues to be a priority standard two weeks continues to be a priority for standard two weeks continues to be a priority for me. standard two weeks continues to be a priority for me. I standard two weeks continues to be a priority for me. I want standard two weeks continues to be a priority for me. I want to standard two weeks continues to be a priority for me. I want to provide priority for me. I want to provide Kiwi priority for me. I want to provide Kiwi families priority for me. I want to provide Kiwi families and priority for me. I want to provide Kiwi families and businesses priority for me. I want to provide Kiwi families and businesses with Kiwi families and businesses with certainty Kiwi families and businesses with certainty on Kiwi families and businesses with certainty on how Kiwi families and businesses with certainty on how long Kiwi families and businesses with certainty on how long it Kiwi families and businesses with certainty on how long it will Kiwi families and businesses with certainty on how long it will take certainty on how long it will take to certainty on how long it will take to receive certainty on how long it will take to receive their certainty on how long it will take to receive their port. to receive their port. Supplementary. to receive their port. Supplementary. The to receive their port. Supplementary. The Minister's Supplementary. The Minister's microphone Supplementary. 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What benefits have New Zealanders could look at that. What benefits have New Zealanders received could look at that. What benefits have New Zealanders received from have New Zealanders received from the have New Zealanders received from the upgrade have New Zealanders received from the upgrade to have New Zealanders received from the upgrade to the have New Zealanders received from the upgrade to the passport have New Zealanders received from the upgrade to the passport system? the upgrade to the passport system? The the upgrade to the passport system? The new the upgrade to the passport system? The new system the upgrade to the passport system? The new system allows the upgrade to the passport system? 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Kiwi families are making good paper ones. Kiwi families are making good use paper ones. Kiwi families are making good use of paper ones. Kiwi families are making good use of this paper ones. Kiwi families are making good use of this feature paper ones. Kiwi families are making good use of this feature as paper ones. Kiwi families are making good use of this feature as 91% paper ones. Kiwi families are making good use of this feature as 91% of good use of this feature as 91% of passports good use of this feature as 91% of passports last good use of this feature as 91% of passports last month good use of this feature as 91% of passports last month were good use of this feature as 91% of passports last month were applied passports last month were applied for passports last month were applied for online, passports last month were applied for online, and passports last month were applied for online, and 32% passports last month were applied for online, and 32% of passports last month were applied for online, and 32% of these passports last month were applied for online, and 32% of these were for online, and 32% of these were group for online, and 32% of these were group applications. for online, and 32% of these were group applications. The for online, and 32% of these were group applications. The upgrade for online, and 32% of these were group applications. The upgrade also group applications. The upgrade also makes group applications. The upgrade also makes it group applications. The upgrade also makes it easier group applications. The upgrade also makes it easier to group applications. The upgrade also makes it easier to report group applications. The upgrade also makes it easier to report a group applications. The upgrade also makes it easier to report a lost group applications. The upgrade also makes it easier to report a lost or makes it easier to report a lost or stolen makes it easier to report a lost or stolen passport, makes it easier to report a lost or stolen passport, and makes it easier to report a lost or stolen passport, and allows makes it easier to report a lost or stolen passport, and allows referees stolen passport, and allows referees to stolen passport, and allows referees to verify stolen passport, and allows referees to verify an stolen passport, and allows referees to verify an applicant's stolen passport, and allows referees to verify an applicant's identity to verify an applicant's identity online to verify an applicant's identity online rather to verify an applicant's identity online rather than to verify an applicant's identity online rather than through to verify an applicant's identity online rather than through a to verify an applicant's identity online rather than through a phone online rather than through a phone call. online rather than through a phone call. 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How can New Zealanders ensure decade. Supplementary. How can New Zealanders ensure they decade. Supplementary. How can New Zealanders ensure they get decade. Supplementary. How can New Zealanders ensure they get their Zealanders ensure they get their passports Zealanders ensure they get their passports in Zealanders ensure they get their passports in time Zealanders ensure they get their passports in time for Zealanders ensure they get their passports in time for their Zealanders ensure they get their passports in time for their overseas passports in time for their overseas trips? passports in time for their overseas trips? The passports in time for their overseas trips? The top passports in time for their overseas trips? The top action passports in time for their overseas trips? The top action New passports in time for their overseas trips? The top action New Zealanders trips? The top action New Zealanders can trips? The top action New Zealanders can take trips? 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For context, 11,598 photos were rejected by the 11,598 photos were rejected by the passport 11,598 photos were rejected by the passport office 11,598 photos were rejected by the passport office in 11,598 photos were rejected by the passport office in February 11,598 photos were rejected by the passport office in February alone passport office in February alone this passport office in February alone this year, passport office in February alone this year, which passport office in February alone this year, which delays passport office in February alone this year, which delays the this year, which delays the application this year, which delays the application process. this year, which delays the application process. There this year, which delays the application process. There is this year, which delays the application process. There is an application process. There is an online application process. There is an online photo application process. There is an online photo checker application process. There is an online photo checker available application process. There is an online photo checker available to online photo checker available to use online photo checker available to use on online photo checker available to use on the online photo checker available to use on the passport online photo checker available to use on the passport websites online photo checker available to use on the passport websites and use on the passport websites and remember use on the passport websites and remember - use on the passport websites and remember - selfies use on the passport websites and remember - selfies are use on the passport websites and remember - selfies are not use on the passport websites and remember - selfies are not accepted. remember - selfies are not accepted. Question remember - selfies are not accepted. Question number remember - selfies are not accepted. Question number 11. 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In terms of front-line service provision, what is past. In terms of front-line service provision, what is happening past. In terms of front-line service provision, what is happening is provision, what is happening is where provision, what is happening is where contracts provision, what is happening is where contracts have provision, what is happening is where contracts have been provision, what is happening is where contracts have been changed provision, what is happening is where contracts have been changed is where contracts have been changed is because where contracts have been changed is because this where contracts have been changed is because this Government where contracts have been changed is because this Government is where contracts have been changed is because this Government is making because this Government is making sure because this Government is making sure that because this Government is making sure that we're because this Government is making sure that we're delivering because this Government is making sure that we're delivering outcomes sure that we're delivering outcomes for sure that we're delivering outcomes for children sure that we're delivering outcomes for children and sure that we're delivering outcomes for children and young sure that we're delivering outcomes for children and young people, sure that we're delivering outcomes for children and young people, and for children and young people, and the for children and young people, and the taxpayers for children and young people, and the taxpayers are for children and young people, and the taxpayers are getting for children and young people, and the taxpayers are getting value for children and young people, and the taxpayers are getting value for the taxpayers are getting value for money. the taxpayers are getting value for money. Where the taxpayers are getting value for money. Where organisations the taxpayers are getting value for money. Where organisations have the taxpayers are getting value for money. Where organisations have not money. Where organisations have not delivered money. Where organisations have not delivered on money. Where organisations have not delivered on their money. Where organisations have not delivered on their full money. Where organisations have not delivered on their full value money. Where organisations have not delivered on their full value of delivered on their full value of their delivered on their full value of their contracts delivered on their full value of their contracts last delivered on their full value of their contracts last year, delivered on their full value of their contracts last year, Oranga their contracts last year, Oranga Tamariki their contracts last year, Oranga Tamariki will their contracts last year, Oranga Tamariki will be their contracts last year, Oranga Tamariki will be funding their contracts last year, Oranga Tamariki will be funding them their contracts last year, Oranga Tamariki will be funding them this Tamariki will be funding them this year Tamariki will be funding them this year based Tamariki will be funding them this year based on Tamariki will be funding them this year based on their Tamariki will be funding them this year based on their prior Tamariki will be funding them this year based on their prior delivery. year based on their prior delivery. Going year based on their prior delivery. Going forward, year based on their prior delivery. Going forward, we year based on their prior delivery. Going forward, we will year based on their prior delivery. Going forward, we will be year based on their prior delivery. Going forward, we will be funding Going forward, we will be funding these Going forward, we will be funding these organising Going forward, we will be funding these organising as Going forward, we will be funding these organising as that Going forward, we will be funding these organising as that are these organising as that are delivering these organising as that are delivering outcomes these organising as that are delivering outcomes for these organising as that are delivering outcomes for children these organising as that are delivering outcomes for children and delivering outcomes for children and not delivering outcomes for children and not funding delivering outcomes for children and not funding those delivering outcomes for children and not funding those who delivering outcomes for children and not funding those who don't. not funding those who don't. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. How <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. How does <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. How does she Supplementary. How does she reconcile Supplementary. How does she reconcile this Supplementary. How does she reconcile this commitment Supplementary. How does she reconcile this commitment to Supplementary. How does she reconcile this commitment to no reconcile this commitment to no reduction reconcile this commitment to no reduction in reconcile this commitment to no reduction in front-line reconcile this commitment to no reduction in front-line services reduction in front-line services when reduction in front-line services when families reduction in front-line services when families start reduction in front-line services when families start losing reduction in front-line services when families start losing 40% reduction in front-line services when families start losing 40% of when families start losing 40% of their when families start losing 40% of their front-line when families start losing 40% of their front-line staff when families start losing 40% of their front-line staff due when families start losing 40% of their front-line staff due to when families start losing 40% of their front-line staff due to their their front-line staff due to their funding their front-line staff due to their funding being their front-line staff due to their funding being cut their front-line staff due to their funding being cut by their front-line staff due to their funding being cut by $14 their front-line staff due to their funding being cut by $14 million their front-line staff due to their funding being cut by $14 million per funding being cut by $14 million per year, funding being cut by $14 million per year, compromising funding being cut by $14 million per year, compromising their funding being cut by $14 million per year, compromising their ability funding being cut by $14 million per year, compromising their ability to year, compromising their ability to support year, compromising their ability to support at-risk year, compromising their ability to support at-risk infants year, compromising their ability to support at-risk infants in year, compromising their ability to support at-risk infants in Nelson? year, compromising their ability to support at-risk infants in Nelson? I support at-risk infants in Nelson? I would support at-risk infants in Nelson? I would like support at-risk infants in Nelson? I would like to support at-risk infants in Nelson? I would like to refer support at-risk infants in Nelson? I would like to refer to support at-risk infants in Nelson? I would like to refer to a support at-risk infants in Nelson? I would like to refer to a media would like to refer to a media release would like to refer to a media release by would like to refer to a media release by Oranga would like to refer to a media release by Oranga Tamariki would like to refer to a media release by Oranga Tamariki speaking release by Oranga Tamariki speaking to release by Oranga Tamariki speaking to this. release by Oranga Tamariki speaking to this. For release by Oranga Tamariki speaking to this. For example, release by Oranga Tamariki speaking to this. For example, the to this. For example, the hewepatapanga, to this. For example, the hewepatapanga, they to this. For example, the hewepatapanga, they stated to this. For example, the hewepatapanga, they stated that hewepatapanga, they stated that they're hewepatapanga, they stated that they're one hewepatapanga, they stated that they're one of hewepatapanga, they stated that they're one of the hewepatapanga, they stated that they're one of the top hewepatapanga, they stated that they're one of the top performing hewepatapanga, they stated that they're one of the top performing in they're one of the top performing in the they're one of the top performing in the country. they're one of the top performing in the country. Based they're one of the top performing in the country. Based on they're one of the top performing in the country. Based on their they're one of the top performing in the country. Based on their own the country. Based on their own quarterly the country. Based on their own quarterly reports the country. Based on their own quarterly reports and the country. Based on their own quarterly reports and the the country. Based on their own quarterly reports and the internal quarterly reports and the internal review quarterly reports and the internal review of quarterly reports and the internal review of all quarterly reports and the internal review of all family quarterly reports and the internal review of all family qualities review of all family qualities between review of all family qualities between 2022 review of all family qualities between 2022 and review of all family qualities between 2022 and 2024 review of all family qualities between 2022 and 2024 January, review of all family qualities between 2022 and 2024 January, they between 2022 and 2024 January, they achieved between 2022 and 2024 January, they achieved on between 2022 and 2024 January, they achieved on average, between 2022 and 2024 January, they achieved on average, 80% between 2022 and 2024 January, they achieved on average, 80% of between 2022 and 2024 January, they achieved on average, 80% of the achieved on average, 80% of the whanau achieved on average, 80% of the whanau volumes, achieved on average, 80% of the whanau volumes, lower achieved on average, 80% of the whanau volumes, lower numbers achieved on average, 80% of the whanau volumes, lower numbers and whanau volumes, lower numbers and home whanau volumes, lower numbers and home visits whanau volumes, lower numbers and home visits than whanau volumes, lower numbers and home visits than were whanau volumes, lower numbers and home visits than were expected whanau volumes, lower numbers and home visits than were expected and home visits than were expected and based home visits than were expected and based on home visits than were expected and based on this home visits than were expected and based on this information, home visits than were expected and based on this information, we home visits than were expected and based on this information, we have based on this information, we have reduced based on this information, we have reduced the based on this information, we have reduced the FTE based on this information, we have reduced the FTE from based on this information, we have reduced the FTE from 12.75 based on this information, we have reduced the FTE from 12.75 to based on this information, we have reduced the FTE from 12.75 to 10. based on this information, we have reduced the FTE from 12.75 to 10. At reduced the FTE from 12.75 to 10. At one reduced the FTE from 12.75 to 10. At one point, reduced the FTE from 12.75 to 10. At one point, they reduced the FTE from 12.75 to 10. At one point, they reported reduced the FTE from 12.75 to 10. At one point, they reported in reduced the FTE from 12.75 to 10. At one point, they reported in previous one point, they reported in previous financial one point, they reported in previous financial years one point, they reported in previous financial years that one point, they reported in previous financial years that they one point, they reported in previous financial years that they had one point, they reported in previous financial years that they had 17 financial years that they had 17 FTEs financial years that they had 17 FTEs despite financial years that they had 17 FTEs despite being financial years that they had 17 FTEs despite being contracted financial years that they had 17 FTEs despite being contracted for financial years that they had 17 FTEs despite being contracted for 12 FTEs despite being contracted for 12 opinion FTEs despite being contracted for 12 opinion 75. FTEs despite being contracted for 12 opinion 75. Supplementary. opinion 75. 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Does she agree with Family Start Does she agree with Family Start Nelson Does she agree with Family Start Nelson manager Does she agree with Family Start Nelson manager who Does she agree with Family Start Nelson manager who says, Does she agree with Family Start Nelson manager who says, "Our Does she agree with Family Start Nelson manager who says, "Our whanau Nelson manager who says, "Our whanau workers Nelson manager who says, "Our whanau workers are Nelson manager who says, "Our whanau workers are front-line Nelson manager who says, "Our whanau workers are front-line workers. workers are front-line workers. They're workers are front-line workers. They're in workers are front-line workers. They're in the workers are front-line workers. They're in the homes workers are front-line workers. They're in the homes of workers are front-line workers. They're in the homes of our workers are front-line workers. They're in the homes of our whanau They're in the homes of our whanau and They're in the homes of our whanau and whenever They're in the homes of our whanau and whenever they They're in the homes of our whanau and whenever they visit, They're in the homes of our whanau and whenever they visit, they They're in the homes of our whanau and whenever they visit, they have and whenever they visit, they have to and whenever they visit, they have to sight and whenever they visit, they have to sight the and whenever they visit, they have to sight the baby and whenever they visit, they have to sight the baby so and whenever they visit, they have to sight the baby so they and whenever they visit, they have to sight the baby so they are to sight the baby so they are definitely to sight the baby so they are definitely front-line to sight the baby so they are definitely front-line workers." to sight the baby so they are definitely front-line workers." And definitely front-line workers." And if definitely front-line workers." And if not, definitely front-line workers." And if not, what definitely front-line workers." And if not, what is definitely front-line workers." And if not, what is the definitely front-line workers." And if not, what is the Minister's if not, what is the Minister's definition if not, what is the Minister's definition of if not, what is the Minister's definition of front-line if not, what is the Minister's definition of front-line services? definition of front-line services? I'll definition of front-line services? I'll refer definition of front-line services? I'll refer to definition of front-line services? I'll refer to the definition of front-line services? I'll refer to the previous definition of front-line services? I'll refer to the previous answer I'll refer to the previous answer where I'll refer to the previous answer where I I'll refer to the previous answer where I stated I'll refer to the previous answer where I stated that I'll refer to the previous answer where I stated that this where I stated that this organisation where I stated that this organisation in where I stated that this organisation in particular where I stated that this organisation in particular only where I stated that this organisation in particular only met organisation in particular only met 80% organisation in particular only met 80% of organisation in particular only met 80% of the organisation in particular only met 80% of the whanau organisation in particular only met 80% of the whanau volumes organisation in particular only met 80% of the whanau volumes and organisation in particular only met 80% of the whanau volumes and lower 80% of the whanau volumes and lower numbers 80% of the whanau volumes and lower numbers of 80% of the whanau volumes and lower numbers of visits 80% of the whanau volumes and lower numbers of visits than 80% of the whanau volumes and lower numbers of visits than were numbers of visits than were expected. numbers of visits than were expected. So numbers of visits than were expected. So that numbers of visits than were expected. So that money numbers of visits than were expected. So that money that numbers of visits than were expected. So that money that was numbers of visits than were expected. So that money that was not expected. So that money that was not delivered expected. So that money that was not delivered on expected. So that money that was not delivered on will expected. So that money that was not delivered on will be expected. So that money that was not delivered on will be redirected expected. So that money that was not delivered on will be redirected to expected. So that money that was not delivered on will be redirected to a delivered on will be redirected to a front-line delivered on will be redirected to a front-line service delivered on will be redirected to a front-line service that delivered on will be redirected to a front-line service that can delivered on will be redirected to a front-line service that can deliver front-line service that can deliver that. front-line service that can deliver that. Supplementary. front-line service that can deliver that. Supplementary. Does front-line service that can deliver that. Supplementary. Does cutting that. Supplementary. Does cutting funding that. Supplementary. Does cutting funding for that. Supplementary. Does cutting funding for Family that. Supplementary. Does cutting funding for Family Start that. Supplementary. Does cutting funding for Family Start Nelson that. Supplementary. Does cutting funding for Family Start Nelson meet funding for Family Start Nelson meet her funding for Family Start Nelson meet her expectations funding for Family Start Nelson meet her expectations for funding for Family Start Nelson meet her expectations for Oranga funding for Family Start Nelson meet her expectations for Oranga Tamariki her expectations for Oranga Tamariki savings her expectations for Oranga Tamariki savings initiative, her expectations for Oranga Tamariki savings initiative, when her expectations for Oranga Tamariki savings initiative, when evaluation savings initiative, when evaluation found savings initiative, when evaluation found that savings initiative, when evaluation found that their savings initiative, when evaluation found that their programme savings initiative, when evaluation found that their programme reduced found that their programme reduced overall found that their programme reduced overall post found that their programme reduced overall post neonatal found that their programme reduced overall post neonatal mortality found that their programme reduced overall post neonatal mortality in overall post neonatal mortality in the overall post neonatal mortality in the first overall post neonatal mortality in the first year overall post neonatal mortality in the first year of overall post neonatal mortality in the first year of life overall post neonatal mortality in the first year of life by overall post neonatal mortality in the first year of life by 42%? overall post neonatal mortality in the first year of life by 42%? And the first year of life by 42%? And if the first year of life by 42%? And if not the first year of life by 42%? And if not - the first year of life by 42%? And if not - why the first year of life by 42%? And if not - why is the first year of life by 42%? And if not - why is Family the first year of life by 42%? And if not - why is Family Start the first year of life by 42%? And if not - why is Family Start facing if not - why is Family Start facing these if not - why is Family Start facing these cuts? if not - why is Family Start facing these cuts? I if not - why is Family Start facing these cuts? I think if not - why is Family Start facing these cuts? I think I've if not - why is Family Start facing these cuts? I think I've actually these cuts? I think I've actually answered these cuts? I think I've actually answered part these cuts? I think I've actually answered part of these cuts? I think I've actually answered part of that these cuts? I think I've actually answered part of that in these cuts? I think I've actually answered part of that in my these cuts? I think I've actually answered part of that in my previous answered part of that in my previous answers. answered part of that in my previous answers. But answered part of that in my previous answers. But what answered part of that in my previous answers. But what I answered part of that in my previous answers. But what I would answered part of that in my previous answers. But what I would say answered part of that in my previous answers. But what I would say is answers. But what I would say is that answers. But what I would say is that it answers. But what I would say is that it does answers. But what I would say is that it does meet answers. But what I would say is that it does meet my answers. But what I would say is that it does meet my expectation. answers. But what I would say is that it does meet my expectation. If that it does meet my expectation. If money that it does meet my expectation. If money cannot that it does meet my expectation. If money cannot sit that it does meet my expectation. If money cannot sit in that it does meet my expectation. If money cannot sit in these money cannot sit in these organisations money cannot sit in these organisations bank money cannot sit in these organisations bank accounts money cannot sit in these organisations bank accounts when money cannot sit in these organisations bank accounts when it organisations bank accounts when it is organisations bank accounts when it is not organisations bank accounts when it is not spent organisations bank accounts when it is not spent and organisations bank accounts when it is not spent and could organisations bank accounts when it is not spent and could be is not spent and could be redelivered is not spent and could be redelivered to is not spent and could be redelivered to organisation is not spent and could be redelivered to organisation that is not spent and could be redelivered to organisation that is redelivered to organisation that is could redelivered to organisation that is could be redelivered to organisation that is could be delivering redelivered to organisation that is could be delivering a redelivered to organisation that is could be delivering a service redelivered to organisation that is could be delivering a service for could be delivering a service for our could be delivering a service for our young could be delivering a service for our young people. could be delivering a service for our young people. Supplementary. our young people. Supplementary. Will our young people. Supplementary. Will she our young people. Supplementary. Will she recommit, our young people. Supplementary. Will she recommit, as our young people. Supplementary. Will she recommit, as the our young people. Supplementary. Will she recommit, as the Government Will she recommit, as the Government did Will she recommit, as the Government did in Will she recommit, as the Government did in the Will she recommit, as the Government did in the Budget, Will she recommit, as the Government did in the Budget, to Will she recommit, as the Government did in the Budget, to there Will she recommit, as the Government did in the Budget, to there being Will she recommit, as the Government did in the Budget, to there being no did in the Budget, to there being no reduction did in the Budget, to there being no reduction in did in the Budget, to there being no reduction in front-line did in the Budget, to there being no reduction in front-line services reduction in front-line services because reduction in front-line services because of reduction in front-line services because of the reduction in front-line services because of the $120 reduction in front-line services because of the $120 of reduction in front-line services because of the $120 of cuts reduction in front-line services because of the $120 of cuts to because of the $120 of cuts to Oranga because of the $120 of cuts to Oranga Tamariki because of the $120 of cuts to Oranga Tamariki contracted because of the $120 of cuts to Oranga Tamariki contracted services? Oranga Tamariki contracted services? And Oranga Tamariki contracted services? And if Oranga Tamariki contracted services? And if so, Oranga Tamariki contracted services? And if so, how Oranga Tamariki contracted services? And if so, how will Oranga Tamariki contracted services? And if so, how will Oranga Oranga Tamariki contracted services? And if so, how will Oranga Tamariki And if so, how will Oranga Tamariki fill And if so, how will Oranga Tamariki fill the And if so, how will Oranga Tamariki fill the gaps And if so, how will Oranga Tamariki fill the gaps already And if so, how will Oranga Tamariki fill the gaps already created And if so, how will Oranga Tamariki fill the gaps already created by And if so, how will Oranga Tamariki fill the gaps already created by the fill the gaps already created by the cuts? fill the gaps already created by the cuts? Overall, fill the gaps already created by the cuts? Overall, the fill the gaps already created by the cuts? Overall, the Government fill the gaps already created by the cuts? Overall, the Government and cuts? Overall, the Government and Oranga cuts? Overall, the Government and Oranga Tamariki cuts? Overall, the Government and Oranga Tamariki are cuts? Overall, the Government and Oranga Tamariki are not cuts? Overall, the Government and Oranga Tamariki are not reducing Oranga Tamariki are not reducing front-line Oranga Tamariki are not reducing front-line services. Oranga Tamariki are not reducing front-line services. <INTERRUPTION> front-line services. <INTERRUPTION> Savings front-line services. <INTERRUPTION> Savings coming front-line services. <INTERRUPTION> Savings coming from front-line services. <INTERRUPTION> Savings coming from getting front-line services. <INTERRUPTION> Savings coming from getting money Savings coming from getting money back Savings coming from getting money back where Savings coming from getting money back where it Savings coming from getting money back where it hasn't Savings coming from getting money back where it hasn't been Savings coming from getting money back where it hasn't been used Savings coming from getting money back where it hasn't been used are back where it hasn't been used are redirected back where it hasn't been used are redirected to back where it hasn't been used are redirected to other back where it hasn't been used are redirected to other front-line redirected to other front-line services. redirected to other front-line services. Separate redirected to other front-line services. Separate to redirected to other front-line services. Separate to this, redirected to other front-line services. Separate to this, what redirected to other front-line services. Separate to this, what we services. Separate to this, what we are services. Separate to this, what we are doing, services. Separate to this, what we are doing, unlike services. Separate to this, what we are doing, unlike previously, services. Separate to this, what we are doing, unlike previously, is are doing, unlike previously, is reviewing are doing, unlike previously, is reviewing contracts are doing, unlike previously, is reviewing contracts and are doing, unlike previously, is reviewing contracts and making are doing, unlike previously, is reviewing contracts and making sure reviewing contracts and making sure we reviewing contracts and making sure we are reviewing contracts and making sure we are getting reviewing contracts and making sure we are getting what reviewing contracts and making sure we are getting what we reviewing contracts and making sure we are getting what we pay reviewing contracts and making sure we are getting what we pay for. we are getting what we pay for. Changes we are getting what we pay for. Changes have we are getting what we pay for. Changes have been we are getting what we pay for. Changes have been made we are getting what we pay for. Changes have been made based we are getting what we pay for. Changes have been made based on Changes have been made based on previous Changes have been made based on previous utilisation Changes have been made based on previous utilisation and Changes have been made based on previous utilisation and delivery, previous utilisation and delivery, and previous utilisation and delivery, and where previous utilisation and delivery, and where demands previous utilisation and delivery, and where demands and previous utilisation and delivery, and where demands and needs previous utilisation and delivery, and where demands and needs have and where demands and needs have changed and where demands and needs have changed in and where demands and needs have changed in particular and where demands and needs have changed in particular regions, changed in particular regions, Oranga changed in particular regions, Oranga Tamariki changed in particular regions, Oranga Tamariki has changed in particular regions, Oranga Tamariki has also changed in particular regions, Oranga Tamariki has also looked changed in particular regions, Oranga Tamariki has also looked at Oranga Tamariki has also looked at where Oranga Tamariki has also looked at where there Oranga Tamariki has also looked at where there is Oranga Tamariki has also looked at where there is duplication Oranga Tamariki has also looked at where there is duplication of where there is duplication of services where there is duplication of services in where there is duplication of services in the where there is duplication of services in the same where there is duplication of services in the same areas. where there is duplication of services in the same areas. This services in the same areas. This means services in the same areas. This means some services in the same areas. This means some providers services in the same areas. This means some providers will services in the same areas. This means some providers will see services in the same areas. This means some providers will see a means some providers will see a decrease means some providers will see a decrease in means some providers will see a decrease in funding means some providers will see a decrease in funding and means some providers will see a decrease in funding and others means some providers will see a decrease in funding and others will decrease in funding and others will see decrease in funding and others will see an decrease in funding and others will see an increase. decrease in funding and others will see an increase. Funding decrease in funding and others will see an increase. Funding does decrease in funding and others will see an increase. Funding does not see an increase. Funding does not equal see an increase. Funding does not equal delivery. see an increase. Funding does not equal delivery. As see an increase. Funding does not equal delivery. As we see an increase. Funding does not equal delivery. As we saw see an increase. Funding does not equal delivery. As we saw under equal delivery. As we saw under previous equal delivery. As we saw under previous years, equal delivery. As we saw under previous years, you equal delivery. As we saw under previous years, you can equal delivery. As we saw under previous years, you can throw equal delivery. As we saw under previous years, you can throw more previous years, you can throw more and previous years, you can throw more and more previous years, you can throw more and more money previous years, you can throw more and more money at previous years, you can throw more and more money at a previous years, you can throw more and more money at a problem, previous years, you can throw more and more money at a problem, but and more money at a problem, but unless and more money at a problem, but unless you and more money at a problem, but unless you demand and more money at a problem, but unless you demand results, and more money at a problem, but unless you demand results, things unless you demand results, things can unless you demand results, things can get unless you demand results, things can get worse. unless you demand results, things can get worse. Question unless you demand results, things can get worse. Question number unless you demand results, things can get worse. Question number 12. can get worse. Question number 12. (SPEAKS can get worse. Question number 12. (SPEAKS TE can get worse. Question number 12. (SPEAKS TE REO can get worse. Question number 12. (SPEAKS TE REO MAORI) My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Tertiary My question is to the Minister for Tertiary Education My question is to the Minister for Tertiary Education and My question is to the Minister for Tertiary Education and Skills: for Tertiary Education and Skills: Does for Tertiary Education and Skills: Does she for Tertiary Education and Skills: Does she stand for Tertiary Education and Skills: Does she stand by for Tertiary Education and Skills: Does she stand by her for Tertiary Education and Skills: Does she stand by her statement for Tertiary Education and Skills: Does she stand by her statement that Does she stand by her statement that "the Does she stand by her statement that "the previous Does she stand by her statement that "the previous government's "the previous government's Te "the previous government's Te Pukenga "the previous government's Te Pukenga mega-merger "the previous government's Te Pukenga mega-merger has "the previous government's Te Pukenga mega-merger has been Te Pukenga mega-merger has been nothing Te Pukenga mega-merger has been nothing but Te Pukenga mega-merger has been nothing but an Te Pukenga mega-merger has been nothing but an abject Te Pukenga mega-merger has been nothing but an abject disaster"; nothing but an abject disaster"; if nothing but an abject disaster"; if so, nothing but an abject disaster"; if so, why? Yes. Yes. And Yes. And to Yes. And to name Yes. And to name a Yes. And to name a few Yes. And to name a few reasons Yes. And to name a few reasons why Yes. And to name a few reasons why - Yes. And to name a few reasons why - in Yes. And to name a few reasons why - in 2023, Yes. And to name a few reasons why - in 2023, all Yes. And to name a few reasons why - in 2023, all previous Yes. And to name a few reasons why - in 2023, all previous ITPs, in 2023, all previous ITPs, individual in 2023, all previous ITPs, individual business in 2023, all previous ITPs, individual business units, in 2023, all previous ITPs, individual business units, recorded individual business units, recorded deficits individual business units, recorded deficits with individual business units, recorded deficits with at individual business units, recorded deficits with at least individual business units, recorded deficits with at least three deficits with at least three recording deficits with at least three recording deficits deficits with at least three recording deficits in deficits with at least three recording deficits in excess deficits with at least three recording deficits in excess of deficits with at least three recording deficits in excess of $20 recording deficits in excess of $20 million, recording deficits in excess of $20 million, and recording deficits in excess of $20 million, and all recording deficits in excess of $20 million, and all but recording deficits in excess of $20 million, and all but two recording deficits in excess of $20 million, and all but two previous million, and all but two previous ITP million, and all but two previous ITP individual million, and all but two previous ITP individual business million, and all but two previous ITP individual business units ITP individual business units forecasting ITP individual business units forecasting deaf ITP individual business units forecasting deaf ate ITP individual business units forecasting deaf ate sits ITP individual business units forecasting deaf ate sits in ITP individual business units forecasting deaf ate sits in 2025. forecasting deaf ate sits in 2025. 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Today, the Labour Party has called on the Government to use its called on the Government to use its Government called on the Government to use its Government Procurement called on the Government to use its Government Procurement Rules called on the Government to use its Government Procurement Rules to called on the Government to use its Government Procurement Rules to ban Government Procurement Rules to ban Government Government Procurement Rules to ban Government agencies Government Procurement Rules to ban Government agencies from Government Procurement Rules to ban Government agencies from purchasing Government agencies from purchasing goods Government agencies from purchasing goods and Government agencies from purchasing goods and services Government agencies from purchasing goods and services from Government agencies from purchasing goods and services from Israel's goods and services from Israel's illegal goods and services from Israel's illegal settlements goods and services from Israel's illegal settlements in goods and services from Israel's illegal settlements in the goods and services from Israel's illegal settlements in the occupied illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories. illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories. And illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories. And we illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories. And we are Palestinian territories. And we are also Palestinian territories. And we are also asking Palestinian territories. And we are also asking the Palestinian territories. And we are also asking the Government Palestinian territories. And we are also asking the Government to also asking the Government to communicate also asking the Government to communicate directly also asking the Government to communicate directly to also asking the Government to communicate directly to the communicate directly to the Government communicate directly to the Government of communicate directly to the Government of Israel communicate directly to the Government of Israel that communicate directly to the Government of Israel that it communicate directly to the Government of Israel that it should Government of Israel that it should act Government of Israel that it should act immediately Government of Israel that it should act immediately on Government of Israel that it should act immediately on the Government of Israel that it should act immediately on the ruling Government of Israel that it should act immediately on the ruling of Government of Israel that it should act immediately on the ruling of the act immediately on the ruling of the International act immediately on the ruling of the International Court act immediately on the ruling of the International Court of act immediately on the ruling of the International Court of Justice act immediately on the ruling of the International Court of Justice and International Court of Justice and withdraw International Court of Justice and withdraw from International Court of Justice and withdraw from the International Court of Justice and withdraw from the occupied withdraw from the occupied territories withdraw from the occupied territories now. withdraw from the occupied territories now. 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"The sustained abuse by Israel of its position as an Israel of its position as an occupying Israel of its position as an occupying power Israel of its position as an occupying power through Israel of its position as an occupying power through annexation occupying power through annexation and occupying power through annexation and an occupying power through annexation and an assertion occupying power through annexation and an assertion of occupying power through annexation and an assertion of permanent and an assertion of permanent control and an assertion of permanent control over and an assertion of permanent control over the and an assertion of permanent control over the occupied control over the occupied Palestinian control over the occupied Palestinian territory, control over the occupied Palestinian territory, and control over the occupied Palestinian territory, and continued Palestinian territory, and continued frustration Palestinian territory, and continued frustration of Palestinian territory, and continued frustration of the Palestinian territory, and continued frustration of the right Palestinian territory, and continued frustration of the right of Palestinian territory, and continued frustration of the right of the frustration of the right of the Palestinian frustration of the right of the Palestinian people frustration of the right of the Palestinian people to Palestinian people to self-determination, Palestinian people to self-determination, violates self-determination, violates fundamental self-determination, violates fundamental principles self-determination, violates fundamental principles of fundamental principles of international fundamental principles of international law fundamental principles of international law and fundamental principles of international law and renders international law and renders Israel's international law and renders Israel's presence international law and renders Israel's presence in international law and renders Israel's presence in the international law and renders Israel's presence in the occupied Israel's presence in the occupied territory Israel's presence in the occupied territory unlawful." 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Its 700,000 settlers into the illegal settlements. Its failure 700,000 settlers into the illegal settlements. Its failure to 700,000 settlers into the illegal settlements. Its failure to prevent settlements. Its failure to prevent or settlements. Its failure to prevent or punish settlements. Its failure to prevent or punish violent settlements. Its failure to prevent or punish violent attacks settlements. Its failure to prevent or punish violent attacks by or punish violent attacks by settlers or punish violent attacks by settlers on or punish violent attacks by settlers on Palestinians. settlers on Palestinians. Restricting settlers on Palestinians. Restricting the settlers on Palestinians. Restricting the access settlers on Palestinians. Restricting the access of settlers on Palestinians. 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I Zealand's standing in the world. I call Zealand's standing in the world. I call on Zealand's standing in the world. I call on the Zealand's standing in the world. I call on the Hon Zealand's standing in the world. I call on the Hon Erica Zealand's standing in the world. I call on the Hon Erica Stanford. call on the Hon Erica Stanford. Thank call on the Hon Erica Stanford. Thank you, call on the Hon Erica Stanford. Thank you, Mr call on the Hon Erica Stanford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. call on the Hon Erica Stanford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can call on the Hon Erica Stanford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I call on the Hon Erica Stanford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I say, Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I say, finally, Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I say, finally, we Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I say, finally, we have Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I say, finally, we have a Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I say, finally, we have a Government Thank you, Mr Speaker. 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We're making sure they have all passionate teachers. We're making sure they have all of passionate teachers. We're making sure they have all of the passionate teachers. 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We're also investing in learning support in investing in learning support in class investing in learning support in class for investing in learning support in class for those investing in learning support in class for those kids investing in learning support in class for those kids who investing in learning support in class for those kids who are investing in learning support in class for those kids who are falling class for those kids who are falling behind, class for those kids who are falling behind, and class for those kids who are falling behind, and small-group behind, and small-group interventions. behind, and small-group interventions. Mr behind, and small-group interventions. Mr Speaker, behind, and small-group interventions. Mr Speaker, this behind, and small-group interventions. Mr Speaker, this is behind, and small-group interventions. Mr Speaker, this is a interventions. Mr Speaker, this is a Government interventions. Mr Speaker, this is a Government that interventions. Mr Speaker, this is a Government that has interventions. Mr Speaker, this is a Government that has high interventions. Mr Speaker, this is a Government that has high aspirations Government that has high aspirations for Government that has high aspirations for our Government that has high aspirations for our kids. Government that has high aspirations for our kids. We Government that has high aspirations for our kids. We are Government that has high aspirations for our kids. We are not Government that has high aspirations for our kids. We are not prepared Government that has high aspirations for our kids. We are not prepared to for our kids. We are not prepared to for our kids. We are not prepared to for our kids. We are not prepared to wait another for our kids. We are not prepared to wait another single for our kids. We are not prepared to wait another single year for our kids. We are not prepared to wait another single year to for our kids. We are not prepared to wait another single year to put wait another single year to put these wait another single year to put these system wait another single year to put these system changes wait another single year to put these system changes in wait another single year to put these system changes in place. wait another single year to put these system changes in place. We these system changes in place. We have these system changes in place. We have to these system changes in place. We have to raise these system changes in place. We have to raise student these system changes in place. We have to raise student achievement. have to raise student achievement. And have to raise student achievement. And my have to raise student achievement. And my message have to raise student achievement. And my message to have to raise student achievement. And my message to all have to raise student achievement. And my message to all parents have to raise student achievement. And my message to all parents is And my message to all parents is this And my message to all parents is this is And my message to all parents is this is a And my message to all parents is this is a Government And my message to all parents is this is a Government who And my message to all parents is this is a Government who takes And my message to all parents is this is a Government who takes your this is a Government who takes your children's this is a Government who takes your children's success this is a Government who takes your children's success at this is a Government who takes your children's success at school this is a Government who takes your children's success at school very, children's success at school very, very children's success at school very, very seriously. children's success at school very, very seriously. And, children's success at school very, very seriously. And, Mr children's success at school very, very seriously. And, Mr Speaker, children's success at school very, very seriously. And, Mr Speaker, it very seriously. And, Mr Speaker, it was very seriously. And, Mr Speaker, it was really very seriously. And, Mr Speaker, it was really telling very seriously. And, Mr Speaker, it was really telling today very seriously. And, Mr Speaker, it was really telling today in very seriously. And, Mr Speaker, it was really telling today in the was really telling today in the House, was really telling today in the House, that was really telling today in the House, that the was really telling today in the House, that the questions was really telling today in the House, that the questions from was really telling today in the House, that the questions from the House, that the questions from the other House, that the questions from the other side House, that the questions from the other side were House, that the questions from the other side were around House, that the questions from the other side were around a House, that the questions from the other side were around a letter House, that the questions from the other side were around a letter that other side were around a letter that was other side were around a letter that was written other side were around a letter that was written to other side were around a letter that was written to an other side were around a letter that was written to an Australian was written to an Australian Minister was written to an Australian Minister in was written to an Australian Minister in English was written to an Australian Minister in English rather was written to an Australian Minister in English rather than Minister in English rather than using Minister in English rather than using Te Minister in English rather than using Te Reo, Minister in English rather than using Te Reo, when Minister in English rather than using Te Reo, when 20% Minister in English rather than using Te Reo, when 20% of Minister in English rather than using Te Reo, when 20% of our Minister in English rather than using Te Reo, when 20% of our kids using Te Reo, when 20% of our kids are using Te Reo, when 20% of our kids are at using Te Reo, when 20% of our kids are at curriculum using Te Reo, when 20% of our kids are at curriculum for using Te Reo, when 20% of our kids are at curriculum for mathematics, are at curriculum for mathematics, 12% are at curriculum for mathematics, 12% of are at curriculum for mathematics, 12% of our are at curriculum for mathematics, 12% of our Maori are at curriculum for mathematics, 12% of our Maori kids, are at curriculum for mathematics, 12% of our Maori kids, and are at curriculum for mathematics, 12% of our Maori kids, and yet 12% of our Maori kids, and yet nothing 12% of our Maori kids, and yet nothing from 12% of our Maori kids, and yet nothing from the 12% of our Maori kids, and yet nothing from the other 12% of our Maori kids, and yet nothing from the other side 12% of our Maori kids, and yet nothing from the other side on 12% of our Maori kids, and yet nothing from the other side on these nothing from the other side on these really nothing from the other side on these really important nothing from the other side on these really important issues. nothing from the other side on these really important issues. It nothing from the other side on these really important issues. It shows really important issues. It shows why, really important issues. It shows why, in really important issues. It shows why, in the really important issues. It shows why, in the last really important issues. It shows why, in the last six really important issues. It shows why, in the last six years, really important issues. It shows why, in the last six years, they why, in the last six years, they achieved why, in the last six years, they achieved exactly why, in the last six years, they achieved exactly nothing why, in the last six years, they achieved exactly nothing in achieved exactly nothing in Education. Education. I Education. I call Education. I call Kahurangi Education. I call Kahurangi Carter. Education. I call Kahurangi Carter. Mr Education. I call Kahurangi Carter. Mr Speaker, Education. I call Kahurangi Carter. Mr Speaker, I Education. I call Kahurangi Carter. Mr Speaker, I take Education. 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Mr Speaker, I take this call on Mr Speaker, I take this call on behalf Mr Speaker, I take this call on behalf of Mr Speaker, I take this call on behalf of the Mr Speaker, I take this call on behalf of the Green Mr Speaker, I take this call on behalf of the Green Party Mr Speaker, I take this call on behalf of the Green Party to Mr Speaker, I take this call on behalf of the Green Party to stand behalf of the Green Party to stand alongside behalf of the Green Party to stand alongside tamariki behalf of the Green Party to stand alongside tamariki across behalf of the Green Party to stand alongside tamariki across the alongside tamariki across the country alongside tamariki across the country in alongside tamariki across the country in the alongside tamariki across the country in the collective alongside tamariki across the country in the collective hope alongside tamariki across the country in the collective hope for alongside tamariki across the country in the collective hope for a country in the collective hope for a better country in the collective hope for a better future. country in the collective hope for a better future. I country in the collective hope for a better future. I want country in the collective hope for a better future. I want to country in the collective hope for a better future. I want to start country in the collective hope for a better future. I want to start my better future. I want to start my korero better future. I want to start my korero by better future. I want to start my korero by reminding better future. I want to start my korero by reminding the better future. I want to start my korero by reminding the PM better future. I want to start my korero by reminding the PM of better future. I want to start my korero by reminding the PM of his korero by reminding the PM of his very korero by reminding the PM of his very words korero by reminding the PM of his very words at korero by reminding the PM of his very words at the korero by reminding the PM of his very words at the National korero by reminding the PM of his very words at the National Party very words at the National Party Conference very words at the National Party Conference in very words at the National Party Conference in 2022. very words at the National Party Conference in 2022. "The very words at the National Party Conference in 2022. "The lives very words at the National Party Conference in 2022. "The lives of Conference in 2022. "The lives of all Conference in 2022. "The lives of all children Conference in 2022. "The lives of all children and Conference in 2022. "The lives of all children and the Conference in 2022. "The lives of all children and the circumstances all children and the circumstances in all children and the circumstances in which all children and the circumstances in which they all children and the circumstances in which they raise all children and the circumstances in which they raise their all children and the circumstances in which they raise their own in which they raise their own families in which they raise their own families will in which they raise their own families will be in which they raise their own families will be shaped in which they raise their own families will be shaped by in which they raise their own families will be shaped by the families will be shaped by the decisions families will be shaped by the decisions political families will be shaped by the decisions political leaders families will be shaped by the decisions political leaders are decisions political leaders are taking decisions political leaders are taking right decisions political leaders are taking right now." taking right now." 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Over 200,000 children live in households below the Zealand today. Over 200,000 children live in households below the poverty live in households below the poverty line. live in households below the poverty line. That live in households below the poverty line. That is live in households below the poverty line. That is one live in households below the poverty line. That is one in live in households below the poverty line. That is one in every live in households below the poverty line. That is one in every six line. That is one in every six children. line. That is one in every six children. One line. That is one in every six children. One in line. That is one in every six children. One in every line. That is one in every six children. One in every five line. That is one in every six children. One in every five for children. One in every five for tamariki children. One in every five for tamariki Maori. children. One in every five for tamariki Maori. The children. One in every five for tamariki Maori. The Royal children. One in every five for tamariki Maori. The Royal Commission tamariki Maori. The Royal Commission of tamariki Maori. The Royal Commission of Inquiry tamariki Maori. The Royal Commission of Inquiry into tamariki Maori. The Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse tamariki Maori. The Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse and tamariki Maori. The Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse and Care of Inquiry into Abuse and Care concluded, of Inquiry into Abuse and Care concluded, just of Inquiry into Abuse and Care concluded, just last of Inquiry into Abuse and Care concluded, just last month, of Inquiry into Abuse and Care concluded, just last month, that concluded, just last month, that 200,000 concluded, just last month, that 200,000 kids concluded, just last month, that 200,000 kids had concluded, just last month, that 200,000 kids had been concluded, just last month, that 200,000 kids had been abused concluded, just last month, that 200,000 kids had been abused by concluded, just last month, that 200,000 kids had been abused by the 200,000 kids had been abused by the state 200,000 kids had been abused by the state in 200,000 kids had been abused by the state in care. 200,000 kids had been abused by the state in care. On 200,000 kids had been abused by the state in care. On average, 200,000 kids had been abused by the state in care. On average, one 200,000 kids had been abused by the state in care. On average, one child state in care. On average, one child dies state in care. On average, one child dies every state in care. On average, one child dies every five state in care. On average, one child dies every five weeks state in care. On average, one child dies every five weeks in state in care. On average, one child dies every five weeks in New state in care. On average, one child dies every five weeks in New Zealand dies every five weeks in New Zealand from dies every five weeks in New Zealand from abuse. dies every five weeks in New Zealand from abuse. Of dies every five weeks in New Zealand from abuse. Of the dies every five weeks in New Zealand from abuse. Of the 5,977 dies every five weeks in New Zealand from abuse. Of the 5,977 tamariki from abuse. Of the 5,977 tamariki and from abuse. Of the 5,977 tamariki and rangatahi from abuse. Of the 5,977 tamariki and rangatahi currently from abuse. Of the 5,977 tamariki and rangatahi currently in from abuse. Of the 5,977 tamariki and rangatahi currently in the from abuse. Of the 5,977 tamariki and rangatahi currently in the state and rangatahi currently in the state care and rangatahi currently in the state care system, and rangatahi currently in the state care system, only and rangatahi currently in the state care system, only 56% and rangatahi currently in the state care system, only 56% of and rangatahi currently in the state care system, only 56% of these care system, only 56% of these tamariki care system, only 56% of these tamariki are care system, only 56% of these tamariki are enrolled care system, only 56% of these tamariki are enrolled in care system, only 56% of these tamariki are enrolled in a care system, only 56% of these tamariki are enrolled in a primary tamariki are enrolled in a primary health tamariki are enrolled in a primary health organisation. tamariki are enrolled in a primary health organisation. 15,000, tamariki are enrolled in a primary health organisation. 15,000, or health organisation. 15,000, or around health organisation. 15,000, or around 5%, health organisation. 15,000, or around 5%, of health organisation. 15,000, or around 5%, of the health organisation. 15,000, or around 5%, of the annual health organisation. 15,000, or around 5%, of the annual Year health organisation. 15,000, or around 5%, of the annual Year 9 health organisation. 15,000, or around 5%, of the annual Year 9 to around 5%, of the annual Year 9 to 13 around 5%, of the annual Year 9 to 13 enrolments around 5%, of the annual Year 9 to 13 enrolments are around 5%, of the annual Year 9 to 13 enrolments are regularly around 5%, of the annual Year 9 to 13 enrolments are regularly missing 13 enrolments are regularly missing school, 13 enrolments are regularly missing school, needing 13 enrolments are regularly missing school, needing to 13 enrolments are regularly missing school, needing to work 13 enrolments are regularly missing school, needing to work to 13 enrolments are regularly missing school, needing to work to provide school, needing to work to provide for school, needing to work to provide for their school, needing to work to provide for their families. school, needing to work to provide for their families. This school, needing to work to provide for their families. This is school, needing to work to provide for their families. This is not for their families. This is not inevitable. for their families. This is not inevitable. Tamariki for their families. This is not inevitable. Tamariki born for their families. This is not inevitable. Tamariki born into inevitable. Tamariki born into poverty inevitable. Tamariki born into poverty is inevitable. Tamariki born into poverty is not inevitable. Tamariki born into poverty is not inevitable. inevitable. Tamariki born into poverty is not inevitable. Tamariki poverty is not inevitable. Tamariki having poverty is not inevitable. Tamariki having their poverty is not inevitable. Tamariki having their connection poverty is not inevitable. Tamariki having their connection to poverty is not inevitable. Tamariki having their connection to their having their connection to their whakapapa having their connection to their whakapapa ripped having their connection to their whakapapa ripped away having their connection to their whakapapa ripped away is having their connection to their whakapapa ripped away is not whakapapa ripped away is not inevitable. whakapapa ripped away is not inevitable. Again, whakapapa ripped away is not inevitable. Again, in whakapapa ripped away is not inevitable. Again, in the whakapapa ripped away is not inevitable. Again, in the words whakapapa ripped away is not inevitable. Again, in the words of inevitable. Again, in the words of our inevitable. Again, in the words of our PM, inevitable. Again, in the words of our PM, quote, inevitable. Again, in the words of our PM, quote, "For inevitable. Again, in the words of our PM, quote, "For every inevitable. Again, in the words of our PM, quote, "For every kid our PM, quote, "For every kid walking our PM, quote, "For every kid walking into our PM, quote, "For every kid walking into school our PM, quote, "For every kid walking into school tomorrow walking into school tomorrow morning, walking into school tomorrow morning, backpack walking into school tomorrow morning, backpack on, walking into school tomorrow morning, backpack on, ready walking into school tomorrow morning, backpack on, ready to walking into school tomorrow morning, backpack on, ready to take morning, backpack on, ready to take on morning, backpack on, ready to take on the morning, backpack on, ready to take on the world, morning, backpack on, ready to take on the world, my morning, backpack on, ready to take on the world, my message morning, backpack on, ready to take on the world, my message is morning, backpack on, ready to take on the world, my message is simple morning, backpack on, ready to take on the world, my message is simple - on the world, my message is simple - I on the world, my message is simple - I cannot on the world, my message is simple - I cannot change on the world, my message is simple - I cannot change the on the world, my message is simple - I cannot change the choices on the world, my message is simple - I cannot change the choices you on the world, my message is simple - I cannot change the choices you make I cannot change the choices you make or I cannot change the choices you make or the I cannot change the choices you make or the home I cannot change the choices you make or the home you I cannot change the choices you make or the home you were I cannot change the choices you make or the home you were born I cannot change the choices you make or the home you were born into, I cannot change the choices you make or the home you were born into, but or the home you were born into, but I or the home you were born into, but I will or the home you were born into, but I will move or the home you were born into, but I will move heaven or the home you were born into, but I will move heaven and or the home you were born into, but I will move heaven and earth or the home you were born into, but I will move heaven and earth to or the home you were born into, but I will move heaven and earth to give I will move heaven and earth to give you I will move heaven and earth to give you the I will move heaven and earth to give you the best I will move heaven and earth to give you the best possible I will move heaven and earth to give you the best possible start I will move heaven and earth to give you the best possible start to you the best possible start to life." life." So, life." So, let's life." So, let's look life." So, let's look at life." So, let's look at "decisions So, let's look at "decisions political So, let's look at "decisions political leaders So, let's look at "decisions political leaders are So, let's look at "decisions political leaders are taking So, let's look at "decisions political leaders are taking right political leaders are taking right now". political leaders are taking right now". The political leaders are taking right now". The Government political leaders are taking right now". The Government indexed political leaders are taking right now". The Government indexed main now". The Government indexed main benefits now". The Government indexed main benefits to now". The Government indexed main benefits to inflation, now". The Government indexed main benefits to inflation, which now". The Government indexed main benefits to inflation, which their benefits to inflation, which their own benefits to inflation, which their own officials benefits to inflation, which their own officials warned benefits to inflation, which their own officials warned could benefits to inflation, which their own officials warned could place benefits to inflation, which their own officials warned could place as own officials warned could place as many own officials warned could place as many as own officials warned could place as many as 13,000 own officials warned could place as many as 13,000 more own officials warned could place as many as 13,000 more children own officials warned could place as many as 13,000 more children in many as 13,000 more children in poverty. many as 13,000 more children in poverty. Just many as 13,000 more children in poverty. Just last many as 13,000 more children in poverty. Just last month, many as 13,000 more children in poverty. Just last month, the poverty. Just last month, the Government poverty. Just last month, the Government diluted poverty. Just last month, the Government diluted child poverty. Just last month, the Government diluted child poverty Government diluted child poverty targets, Government diluted child poverty targets, showing Government diluted child poverty targets, showing the Government diluted child poverty targets, showing the Government Government diluted child poverty targets, showing the Government is targets, showing the Government is comfortable targets, showing the Government is comfortable putting targets, showing the Government is comfortable putting a targets, showing the Government is comfortable putting a further targets, showing the Government is comfortable putting a further 17,000 comfortable putting a further 17,000 tamariki comfortable putting a further 17,000 tamariki into comfortable putting a further 17,000 tamariki into material comfortable putting a further 17,000 tamariki into material hardship. comfortable putting a further 17,000 tamariki into material hardship. The tamariki into material hardship. The Government tamariki into material hardship. The Government plans tamariki into material hardship. The Government plans to tamariki into material hardship. The Government plans to remove tamariki into material hardship. The Government plans to remove section Government plans to remove section 7AA Government plans to remove section 7AA of Government plans to remove section 7AA of the Government plans to remove section 7AA of the Oranga Government plans to remove section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Government plans to remove section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act, 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act, which 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act, which will 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act, which will destroy 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act, which will destroy tamarikis' which will destroy tamarikis' connection which will destroy tamarikis' connection to which will destroy tamarikis' connection to their which will destroy tamarikis' connection to their whakapapa. which will destroy tamarikis' connection to their whakapapa. Last connection to their whakapapa. Last month, connection to their whakapapa. Last month, the connection to their whakapapa. Last month, the Government connection to their whakapapa. Last month, the Government launched connection to their whakapapa. Last month, the Government launched boot month, the Government launched boot camps, month, the Government launched boot camps, just month, the Government launched boot camps, just five month, the Government launched boot camps, just five days month, the Government launched boot camps, just five days after month, the Government launched boot camps, just five days after the camps, just five days after the royal camps, just five days after the royal commission camps, just five days after the royal commission inquiry camps, just five days after the royal commission inquiry released royal commission inquiry released its royal commission inquiry released its findings royal commission inquiry released its findings on royal commission inquiry released its findings on horrific royal commission inquiry released its findings on horrific abuse royal commission inquiry released its findings on horrific abuse at its findings on horrific abuse at state its findings on horrific abuse at state boot its findings on horrific abuse at state boot camps. its findings on horrific abuse at state boot camps. The its findings on horrific abuse at state boot camps. The cutting its findings on horrific abuse at state boot camps. The cutting of its findings on horrific abuse at state boot camps. The cutting of 120 state boot camps. The cutting of 120 million state boot camps. The cutting of 120 million over state boot camps. The cutting of 120 million over four state boot camps. The cutting of 120 million over four years state boot camps. The cutting of 120 million over four years to state boot camps. The cutting of 120 million over four years to Oranga million over four years to Oranga Tamariki million over four years to Oranga Tamariki contractors million over four years to Oranga Tamariki contractors across million over four years to Oranga Tamariki contractors across the Tamariki contractors across the country, Tamariki contractors across the country, and Tamariki contractors across the country, and were Tamariki contractors across the country, and were kept Tamariki contractors across the country, and were kept into Tamariki contractors across the country, and were kept into the Tamariki contractors across the country, and were kept into the dark country, and were kept into the dark about country, and were kept into the dark about specific country, and were kept into the dark about specific decision-making about specific decision-making rationale. about specific decision-making rationale. The about specific decision-making rationale. The reintroduction about specific decision-making rationale. The reintroduction of rationale. The reintroduction of charter rationale. The reintroduction of charter schools rationale. The reintroduction of charter schools is rationale. The reintroduction of charter schools is designed rationale. The reintroduction of charter schools is designed to rationale. The reintroduction of charter schools is designed to take charter schools is designed to take away charter schools is designed to take away accountability charter schools is designed to take away accountability and charter schools is designed to take away accountability and oversight. away accountability and oversight. The away accountability and oversight. The decisions away accountability and oversight. The decisions this away accountability and oversight. The decisions this Government away accountability and oversight. The decisions this Government makes The decisions this Government makes every The decisions this Government makes every day The decisions this Government makes every day reinforced The decisions this Government makes every day reinforced the The decisions this Government makes every day reinforced the same The decisions this Government makes every day reinforced the same system every day reinforced the same system that every day reinforced the same system that enabled every day reinforced the same system that enabled the every day reinforced the same system that enabled the ongoing every day reinforced the same system that enabled the ongoing abuse every day reinforced the same system that enabled the ongoing abuse in that enabled the ongoing abuse in care, that enabled the ongoing abuse in care, where that enabled the ongoing abuse in care, where the that enabled the ongoing abuse in care, where the PM that enabled the ongoing abuse in care, where the PM said, that enabled the ongoing abuse in care, where the PM said, "You that enabled the ongoing abuse in care, where the PM said, "You are care, where the PM said, "You are heard, care, where the PM said, "You are heard, you care, where the PM said, "You are heard, you are care, where the PM said, "You are heard, you are believed." care, where the PM said, "You are heard, you are believed." 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This attack on tamariki by words. This attack on tamariki by the words. This attack on tamariki by the Government words. This attack on tamariki by the Government is words. This attack on tamariki by the Government is targeted words. This attack on tamariki by the Government is targeted and the Government is targeted and deliberate. the Government is targeted and deliberate. There the Government is targeted and deliberate. There is the Government is targeted and deliberate. There is so the Government is targeted and deliberate. There is so much deliberate. There is so much happening deliberate. There is so much happening and deliberate. There is so much happening and it deliberate. There is so much happening and it is deliberate. There is so much happening and it is designed deliberate. 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It's too hard to bear witness to. This is it's too painful. It's too hard to bear witness to. This is an bear witness to. This is an intentional bear witness to. This is an intentional strategy bear witness to. This is an intentional strategy to bear witness to. This is an intentional strategy to collectively intentional strategy to collectively exhaust intentional strategy to collectively exhaust the intentional strategy to collectively exhaust the public. intentional strategy to collectively exhaust the public. Kiwis intentional strategy to collectively exhaust the public. Kiwis will exhaust the public. Kiwis will remember exhaust the public. Kiwis will remember this exhaust the public. Kiwis will remember this Government exhaust the public. Kiwis will remember this Government placing exhaust the public. Kiwis will remember this Government placing the remember this Government placing the profits remember this Government placing the profits of remember this Government placing the profits of landlords remember this Government placing the profits of landlords over remember this Government placing the profits of landlords over tamariki profits of landlords over tamariki and profits of landlords over tamariki and will profits of landlords over tamariki and will hold profits of landlords over tamariki and will hold the profits of landlords over tamariki and will hold the Government profits of landlords over tamariki and will hold the Government to and will hold the Government to account and will hold the Government to account for and will hold the Government to account for the and will hold the Government to account for the "decisions and will hold the Government to account for the "decisions political account for the "decisions political leaders account for the "decisions political leaders are account for the "decisions political leaders are taking account for the "decisions political leaders are taking right account for the "decisions political leaders are taking right now". account for the "decisions political leaders are taking right now". 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We have seen on Monday, and this Saturday in Christchurch. We have seen almost Christchurch. We have seen almost 3,000 Christchurch. We have seen almost 3,000 submissions Christchurch. We have seen almost 3,000 submissions to Christchurch. We have seen almost 3,000 submissions to the Christchurch. We have seen almost 3,000 submissions to the select 3,000 submissions to the select committee 3,000 submissions to the select committee on 3,000 submissions to the select committee on the 3,000 submissions to the select committee on the removal 3,000 submissions to the select committee on the removal of 3,000 submissions to the select committee on the removal of 7AA. committee on the removal of 7AA. Today committee on the removal of 7AA. Today in committee on the removal of 7AA. Today in select committee on the removal of 7AA. Today in select committee committee on the removal of 7AA. Today in select committee hearings, Today in select committee hearings, Maori Today in select committee hearings, Maori rangatahi Today in select committee hearings, Maori rangatahi from Today in select committee hearings, Maori rangatahi from the Today in select committee hearings, Maori rangatahi from the voice, Today in select committee hearings, Maori rangatahi from the voice, with Maori rangatahi from the voice, with care Maori rangatahi from the voice, with care experience, Maori rangatahi from the voice, with care experience, said, Maori rangatahi from the voice, with care experience, said, "We Maori rangatahi from the voice, with care experience, said, "We have Maori rangatahi from the voice, with care experience, said, "We have not care experience, said, "We have not been care experience, said, "We have not been consulted care experience, said, "We have not been consulted with." care experience, said, "We have not been consulted with." We care experience, said, "We have not been consulted with." We have care experience, said, "We have not been consulted with." We have heard been consulted with." We have heard from been consulted with." We have heard from hundreds been consulted with." We have heard from hundreds of been consulted with." We have heard from hundreds of Oranga been consulted with." We have heard from hundreds of Oranga Tamariki from hundreds of Oranga Tamariki community from hundreds of Oranga Tamariki community providers from hundreds of Oranga Tamariki community providers whose from hundreds of Oranga Tamariki community providers whose funding community providers whose funding has community providers whose funding has been community providers whose funding has been cut. community providers whose funding has been cut. We community providers whose funding has been cut. We live community providers whose funding has been cut. We live in community providers whose funding has been cut. We live in a community providers whose funding has been cut. We live in a country has been cut. We live in a country of has been cut. We live in a country of abundance. has been cut. We live in a country of abundance. There has been cut. We live in a country of abundance. There is has been cut. We live in a country of abundance. There is enough has been cut. We live in a country of abundance. There is enough for of abundance. There is enough for everyone. of abundance. There is enough for everyone. We of abundance. There is enough for everyone. We can, of abundance. There is enough for everyone. We can, and of abundance. There is enough for everyone. We can, and must, of abundance. There is enough for everyone. We can, and must, ensure everyone. We can, and must, ensure our everyone. We can, and must, ensure our tamariki everyone. We can, and must, ensure our tamariki have everyone. We can, and must, ensure our tamariki have everything everyone. We can, and must, ensure our tamariki have everything they our tamariki have everything they need our tamariki have everything they need to our tamariki have everything they need to thrive. our tamariki have everything they need to thrive. I our tamariki have everything they need to thrive. I call our tamariki have everything they need to thrive. I call on our tamariki have everything they need to thrive. I call on Debbie need to thrive. I call on Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. need to thrive. I call on Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. Tena need to thrive. I call on Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. Tena koe. need to thrive. I call on Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. Tena koe. Last need to thrive. I call on Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. Tena koe. Last week, Ngarewa-Packer. Tena koe. Last week, our Ngarewa-Packer. Tena koe. Last week, our co-leader, Ngarewa-Packer. Tena koe. Last week, our co-leader, Rawiri Ngarewa-Packer. Tena koe. Last week, our co-leader, Rawiri Waititi, our co-leader, Rawiri Waititi, raised our co-leader, Rawiri Waititi, raised a our co-leader, Rawiri Waititi, raised a phrase our co-leader, Rawiri Waititi, raised a phrase that our co-leader, Rawiri Waititi, raised a phrase that we our co-leader, Rawiri Waititi, raised a phrase that we have raised a phrase that we have "punch-drunk". raised a phrase that we have "punch-drunk". It's raised a phrase that we have "punch-drunk". It's a raised a phrase that we have "punch-drunk". It's a phrase raised a phrase that we have "punch-drunk". It's a phrase used raised a phrase that we have "punch-drunk". It's a phrase used to "punch-drunk". It's a phrase used to describe "punch-drunk". It's a phrase used to describe our "punch-drunk". It's a phrase used to describe our fatigue, "punch-drunk". It's a phrase used to describe our fatigue, our "punch-drunk". It's a phrase used to describe our fatigue, our fatigue describe our fatigue, our fatigue from describe our fatigue, our fatigue from defending describe our fatigue, our fatigue from defending our describe our fatigue, our fatigue from defending our culture, describe our fatigue, our fatigue from defending our culture, our from defending our culture, our fatigue from defending our culture, our fatigue from from defending our culture, our fatigue from unable from defending our culture, our fatigue from unable to from defending our culture, our fatigue from unable to act from defending our culture, our fatigue from unable to act normally, fatigue from unable to act normally, our fatigue from unable to act normally, our fatigue fatigue from unable to act normally, our fatigue from fatigue from unable to act normally, our fatigue from fighting fatigue from unable to act normally, our fatigue from fighting for fatigue from unable to act normally, our fatigue from fighting for our our fatigue from fighting for our rights, our fatigue from fighting for our rights, our our fatigue from fighting for our rights, our identity, our fatigue from fighting for our rights, our identity, and our fatigue from fighting for our rights, our identity, and fatigue rights, our identity, and fatigue from rights, our identity, and fatigue from feeling rights, our identity, and fatigue from feeling persecuted, rights, our identity, and fatigue from feeling persecuted, for rights, our identity, and fatigue from feeling persecuted, for being from feeling persecuted, for being tangata from feeling persecuted, for being tangata whenua. from feeling persecuted, for being tangata whenua. And from feeling persecuted, for being tangata whenua. And it from feeling persecuted, for being tangata whenua. And it is from feeling persecuted, for being tangata whenua. And it is truly tangata whenua. And it is truly believed tangata whenua. And it is truly believed that tangata whenua. And it is truly believed that this tangata whenua. And it is truly believed that this Government tangata whenua. And it is truly believed that this Government has believed that this Government has started believed that this Government has started one believed that this Government has started one of believed that this Government has started one of the believed that this Government has started one of the biggest believed that this Government has started one of the biggest attacks started one of the biggest attacks that started one of the biggest attacks that we've started one of the biggest attacks that we've had started one of the biggest attacks that we've had as started one of the biggest attacks that we've had as Maoris started one of the biggest attacks that we've had as Maoris since started one of the biggest attacks that we've had as Maoris since the that we've had as Maoris since the 1860s. that we've had as Maoris since the 1860s. And, that we've had as Maoris since the 1860s. And, oh, that we've had as Maoris since the 1860s. And, oh, for that we've had as Maoris since the 1860s. And, oh, for our that we've had as Maoris since the 1860s. And, oh, for our people that we've had as Maoris since the 1860s. And, oh, for our people to 1860s. And, oh, for our people to have 1860s. And, oh, for our people to have the 1860s. And, oh, for our people to have the luxury 1860s. And, oh, for our people to have the luxury to 1860s. And, oh, for our people to have the luxury to curl 1860s. And, oh, for our people to have the luxury to curl up 1860s. And, oh, for our people to have the luxury to curl up in 1860s. And, oh, for our people to have the luxury to curl up in a have the luxury to curl up in a corner have the luxury to curl up in a corner and have the luxury to curl up in a corner and cry. have the luxury to curl up in a corner and cry. The have the luxury to curl up in a corner and cry. The amount have the luxury to curl up in a corner and cry. The amount of have the luxury to curl up in a corner and cry. The amount of pain, corner and cry. The amount of pain, fear corner and cry. The amount of pain, fear and corner and cry. The amount of pain, fear and harm corner and cry. The amount of pain, fear and harm that corner and cry. The amount of pain, fear and harm that we corner and cry. The amount of pain, fear and harm that we are corner and cry. The amount of pain, fear and harm that we are seeing fear and harm that we are seeing from fear and harm that we are seeing from our fear and harm that we are seeing from our whanau fear and harm that we are seeing from our whanau is fear and harm that we are seeing from our whanau is heartbreaking. from our whanau is heartbreaking. But, from our whanau is heartbreaking. But, no, from our whanau is heartbreaking. But, no, as from our whanau is heartbreaking. But, no, as tangata from our whanau is heartbreaking. But, no, as tangata whenua, from our whanau is heartbreaking. But, no, as tangata whenua, we from our whanau is heartbreaking. But, no, as tangata whenua, we must But, no, as tangata whenua, we must brave But, no, as tangata whenua, we must brave up. But, no, as tangata whenua, we must brave up. Because But, no, as tangata whenua, we must brave up. Because we But, no, as tangata whenua, we must brave up. Because we don't But, no, as tangata whenua, we must brave up. Because we don't get But, no, as tangata whenua, we must brave up. Because we don't get to brave up. Because we don't get to have brave up. Because we don't get to have the brave up. Because we don't get to have the break, brave up. Because we don't get to have the break, because brave up. Because we don't get to have the break, because we brave up. Because we don't get to have the break, because we must have the break, because we must stand have the break, because we must stand strong have the break, because we must stand strong and have the break, because we must stand strong and give have the break, because we must stand strong and give our have the break, because we must stand strong and give our whanau stand strong and give our whanau hope, stand strong and give our whanau hope, despite stand strong and give our whanau hope, despite the stand strong and give our whanau hope, despite the tsunami stand strong and give our whanau hope, despite the tsunami of hope, despite the tsunami of constant hope, despite the tsunami of constant assaults. hope, despite the tsunami of constant assaults. And hope, despite the tsunami of constant assaults. And it's constant assaults. And it's deliberate. constant assaults. And it's deliberate. It's constant assaults. And it's deliberate. It's deliberately constant assaults. And it's deliberate. It's deliberately done, deliberate. It's deliberately done, based deliberate. It's deliberately done, based on deliberate. It's deliberately done, based on history, deliberate. It's deliberately done, based on history, which deliberate. It's deliberately done, based on history, which has deliberate. It's deliberately done, based on history, which has taught based on history, which has taught us based on history, which has taught us to based on history, which has taught us to grind based on history, which has taught us to grind us based on history, which has taught us to grind us down. based on history, which has taught us to grind us down. Maori-focused us to grind us down. Maori-focused solutions us to grind us down. Maori-focused solutions designed us to grind us down. Maori-focused solutions designed for us to grind us down. Maori-focused solutions designed for generations solutions designed for generations are solutions designed for generations are ending. solutions designed for generations are ending. Maori solutions designed for generations are ending. Maori Health solutions designed for generations are ending. Maori Health Authority, are ending. Maori Health Authority, demolished. are ending. Maori Health Authority, demolished. Maori are ending. Maori Health Authority, demolished. Maori mukupu are ending. Maori Health Authority, demolished. Maori mukupu in are ending. Maori Health Authority, demolished. Maori mukupu in a, are ending. Maori Health Authority, demolished. Maori mukupu in a, gone. demolished. Maori mukupu in a, gone. Removing demolished. Maori mukupu in a, gone. Removing 7AA, demolished. Maori mukupu in a, gone. Removing 7AA, for demolished. Maori mukupu in a, gone. Removing 7AA, for us, demolished. Maori mukupu in a, gone. Removing 7AA, for us, is demolished. Maori mukupu in a, gone. Removing 7AA, for us, is violent. Removing 7AA, for us, is violent. Confiscating Removing 7AA, for us, is violent. Confiscating is Removing 7AA, for us, is violent. Confiscating is violence. Removing 7AA, for us, is violent. Confiscating is violence. Taking Confiscating is violence. Taking away Confiscating is violence. Taking away Te Confiscating is violence. Taking away Te Tiriti Confiscating is violence. Taking away Te Tiriti and Confiscating is violence. Taking away Te Tiriti and constitutional away Te Tiriti and constitutional rights away Te Tiriti and constitutional rights is away Te Tiriti and constitutional rights is violence. away Te Tiriti and constitutional rights is violence. Continual rights is violence. Continual oppression rights is violence. Continual oppression to rights is violence. Continual oppression to us rights is violence. Continual oppression to us as rights is violence. Continual oppression to us as Maori rights is violence. Continual oppression to us as Maori is oppression to us as Maori is violence. violence. And violence. And now violence. And now we violence. And now we have violence. And now we have the violence. And now we have the decrying And now we have the decrying front-page And now we have the decrying front-page paid And now we have the decrying front-page paid advertisements front-page paid advertisements saying, front-page paid advertisements saying, "Kiwis, front-page paid advertisements saying, "Kiwis, not front-page paid advertisements saying, "Kiwis, not iwis," front-page paid advertisements saying, "Kiwis, not iwis," because saying, "Kiwis, not iwis," because it's saying, "Kiwis, not iwis," because it's all saying, "Kiwis, not iwis," because it's all about saying, "Kiwis, not iwis," because it's all about going saying, "Kiwis, not iwis," because it's all about going backwards. it's all about going backwards. Prisons, it's all about going backwards. Prisons, prison it's all about going backwards. Prisons, prison their it's all about going backwards. Prisons, prison their way it's all about going backwards. Prisons, prison their way to Prisons, prison their way to justice. Prisons, prison their way to justice. Boot Prisons, prison their way to justice. Boot camps. Prisons, prison their way to justice. Boot camps. Where Prisons, prison their way to justice. Boot camps. Where is Prisons, prison their way to justice. Boot camps. Where is the justice. Boot camps. Where is the aroa justice. Boot camps. Where is the aroa from justice. Boot camps. Where is the aroa from this justice. Boot camps. Where is the aroa from this Government? justice. Boot camps. Where is the aroa from this Government? For justice. Boot camps. Where is the aroa from this Government? For its aroa from this Government? For its tangata aroa from this Government? For its tangata whenua, aroa from this Government? For its tangata whenua, for aroa from this Government? For its tangata whenua, for solutions aroa from this Government? For its tangata whenua, for solutions to tangata whenua, for solutions to help tangata whenua, for solutions to help British tangata whenua, for solutions to help British settlers tangata whenua, for solutions to help British settlers who tangata whenua, for solutions to help British settlers who are help British settlers who are unruly, help British settlers who are unruly, was help British settlers who are unruly, was to help British settlers who are unruly, was to offer help British settlers who are unruly, was to offer Te help British settlers who are unruly, was to offer Te Tiriti. help British settlers who are unruly, was to offer Te Tiriti. We unruly, was to offer Te Tiriti. We have unruly, was to offer Te Tiriti. We have whanau unruly, was to offer Te Tiriti. We have whanau ma. unruly, was to offer Te Tiriti. We have whanau ma. I unruly, was to offer Te Tiriti. We have whanau ma. I think unruly, was to offer Te Tiriti. We have whanau ma. I think it's unruly, was to offer Te Tiriti. We have whanau ma. I think it's really have whanau ma. I think it's really important have whanau ma. I think it's really important that have whanau ma. I think it's really important that we have whanau ma. I think it's really important that we are have whanau ma. I think it's really important that we are aware have whanau ma. I think it's really important that we are aware of have whanau ma. I think it's really important that we are aware of what important that we are aware of what we're important that we are aware of what we're in important that we are aware of what we're in - important that we are aware of what we're in - the important that we are aware of what we're in - the deliberate important that we are aware of what we're in - the deliberate fatigue important that we are aware of what we're in - the deliberate fatigue of we're in - the deliberate fatigue of repealing we're in - the deliberate fatigue of repealing policy we're in - the deliberate fatigue of repealing policy extractions, repealing policy extractions, policies repealing policy extractions, policies demolished, repealing policy extractions, policies demolished, before repealing policy extractions, policies demolished, before the repealing policy extractions, policies demolished, before the big policies demolished, before the big one policies demolished, before the big one comes. policies demolished, before the big one comes. Because policies demolished, before the big one comes. Because the policies demolished, before the big one comes. Because the big policies demolished, before the big one comes. Because the big one policies demolished, before the big one comes. Because the big one is one comes. Because the big one is coming. one comes. Because the big one is coming. And one comes. Because the big one is coming. And who one comes. Because the big one is coming. And who is one comes. Because the big one is coming. And who is the one comes. Because the big one is coming. And who is the architect coming. And who is the architect behind coming. And who is the architect behind this? coming. And who is the architect behind this? How coming. And who is the architect behind this? How is coming. And who is the architect behind this? How is this coming. And who is the architect behind this? How is this Government behind this? How is this Government letting behind this? How is this Government letting a behind this? How is this Government letting a small behind this? How is this Government letting a small party behind this? How is this Government letting a small party like behind this? How is this Government letting a small party like ACT behind this? How is this Government letting a small party like ACT be letting a small party like ACT be the letting a small party like ACT be the tail letting a small party like ACT be the tail that letting a small party like ACT be the tail that wags letting a small party like ACT be the tail that wags the letting a small party like ACT be the tail that wags the dog? letting a small party like ACT be the tail that wags the dog? How letting a small party like ACT be the tail that wags the dog? How has the tail that wags the dog? How has ACT the tail that wags the dog? How has ACT groomed the tail that wags the dog? How has ACT groomed the the tail that wags the dog? How has ACT groomed the PM, the tail that wags the dog? How has ACT groomed the PM, and the tail that wags the dog? How has ACT groomed the PM, and indeed ACT groomed the PM, and indeed National, ACT groomed the PM, and indeed National, into ACT groomed the PM, and indeed National, into deliberately National, into deliberately exercising National, into deliberately exercising ethnocide. National, into deliberately exercising ethnocide. Let National, into deliberately exercising ethnocide. Let me National, into deliberately exercising ethnocide. Let me explain exercising ethnocide. Let me explain what exercising ethnocide. Let me explain what it exercising ethnocide. Let me explain what it is. exercising ethnocide. Let me explain what it is. It exercising ethnocide. Let me explain what it is. It is exercising ethnocide. Let me explain what it is. It is the exercising ethnocide. Let me explain what it is. It is the deliberate, what it is. It is the deliberate, systemic what it is. It is the deliberate, systemic destruction what it is. It is the deliberate, systemic destruction of what it is. It is the deliberate, systemic destruction of our what it is. It is the deliberate, systemic destruction of our culture systemic destruction of our culture and systemic destruction of our culture and us systemic destruction of our culture and us as systemic destruction of our culture and us as tangata systemic destruction of our culture and us as tangata whenua, systemic destruction of our culture and us as tangata whenua, using and us as tangata whenua, using legislative and us as tangata whenua, using legislative power, and us as tangata whenua, using legislative power, political and us as tangata whenua, using legislative power, political force, legislative power, political force, and legislative power, political force, and influence legislative power, political force, and influence to legislative power, political force, and influence to make legislative power, political force, and influence to make us legislative power, political force, and influence to make us into legislative power, political force, and influence to make us into one. and influence to make us into one. Their and influence to make us into one. Their one. and influence to make us into one. Their one. And and influence to make us into one. Their one. And our and influence to make us into one. Their one. And our none. and influence to make us into one. Their one. And our none. We'll and influence to make us into one. Their one. And our none. We'll all Their one. And our none. We'll all be Their one. And our none. We'll all be one Their one. And our none. We'll all be one New Their one. And our none. We'll all be one New Zealanders, Their one. And our none. We'll all be one New Zealanders, one Their one. And our none. We'll all be one New Zealanders, one people. be one New Zealanders, one people. Where be one New Zealanders, one people. Where have be one New Zealanders, one people. Where have we be one New Zealanders, one people. Where have we heard be one New Zealanders, one people. Where have we heard that be one New Zealanders, one people. Where have we heard that before? Where have we heard that before? This Where have we heard that before? This Government Where have we heard that before? This Government has Where have we heard that before? This Government has lost Where have we heard that before? This Government has lost control. Where have we heard that before? This Government has lost control. It This Government has lost control. It is This Government has lost control. It is a This Government has lost control. It is a very This Government has lost control. It is a very clear This Government has lost control. It is a very clear that This Government has lost control. It is a very clear that National This Government has lost control. It is a very clear that National is is a very clear that National is being is a very clear that National is being run is a very clear that National is being run by is a very clear that National is being run by ACT is a very clear that National is being run by ACT and is a very clear that National is being run by ACT and they're is a very clear that National is being run by ACT and they're now being run by ACT and they're now letting being run by ACT and they're now letting them being run by ACT and they're now letting them destroy being run by ACT and they're now letting them destroy our being run by ACT and they're now letting them destroy our culture, letting them destroy our culture, one letting them destroy our culture, one repeal, letting them destroy our culture, one repeal, one letting them destroy our culture, one repeal, one legislation, letting them destroy our culture, one repeal, one legislation, one one repeal, one legislation, one punch one repeal, one legislation, one punch at one repeal, one legislation, one punch at a one repeal, one legislation, one punch at a time. one repeal, one legislation, one punch at a time. Very one repeal, one legislation, one punch at a time. Very hard one repeal, one legislation, one punch at a time. Very hard and one repeal, one legislation, one punch at a time. Very hard and very punch at a time. Very hard and very low. punch at a time. Very hard and very low. And punch at a time. Very hard and very low. And it's punch at a time. Very hard and very low. And it's deeply, punch at a time. Very hard and very low. And it's deeply, deeply punch at a time. Very hard and very low. And it's deeply, deeply dark. low. And it's deeply, deeply dark. This low. And it's deeply, deeply dark. This Government low. And it's deeply, deeply dark. This Government is low. And it's deeply, deeply dark. This Government is being low. And it's deeply, deeply dark. This Government is being led low. And it's deeply, deeply dark. This Government is being led by low. And it's deeply, deeply dark. This Government is being led by a This Government is being led by a dark This Government is being led by a dark triad, This Government is being led by a dark triad, and This Government is being led by a dark triad, and let This Government is being led by a dark triad, and let me This Government is being led by a dark triad, and let me explain This Government is being led by a dark triad, and let me explain what dark triad, and let me explain what that dark triad, and let me explain what that means. dark triad, and let me explain what that means. Three dark triad, and let me explain what that means. Three personality that means. Three personality traits. that means. Three personality traits. The that means. Three personality traits. The Machevelian, that means. Three personality traits. The Machevelian, the traits. The Machevelian, the psychopath... traits. The Machevelian, the psychopath... I traits. The Machevelian, the psychopath... I will traits. The Machevelian, the psychopath... I will get traits. The Machevelian, the psychopath... I will get you traits. The Machevelian, the psychopath... I will get you to psychopath... I will get you to guess psychopath... I will get you to guess which psychopath... I will get you to guess which one psychopath... I will get you to guess which one is psychopath... I will get you to guess which one is which. psychopath... I will get you to guess which one is which. They're guess which one is which. They're entitled guess which one is which. They're entitled and guess which one is which. They're entitled and lack guess which one is which. They're entitled and lack empathy. guess which one is which. They're entitled and lack empathy. But entitled and lack empathy. But together entitled and lack empathy. But together those entitled and lack empathy. But together those traits entitled and lack empathy. But together those traits are entitled and lack empathy. But together those traits are dangerous together those traits are dangerous for together those traits are dangerous for our together those traits are dangerous for our people. together those traits are dangerous for our people. Together, together those traits are dangerous for our people. Together, they for our people. Together, they create for our people. Together, they create some for our people. Together, they create some of for our people. Together, they create some of the for our people. Together, they create some of the cruellest for our people. Together, they create some of the cruellest social create some of the cruellest social chaos create some of the cruellest social chaos ever create some of the cruellest social chaos ever known create some of the cruellest social chaos ever known to create some of the cruellest social chaos ever known to Indigenous chaos ever known to Indigenous people. This This week, This week, the This week, the Government This week, the Government was This week, the Government was told This week, the Government was told to This week, the Government was told to stand This week, the Government was told to stand down. This week, the Government was told to stand down. Our This week, the Government was told to stand down. Our korero This week, the Government was told to stand down. Our korero to This week, the Government was told to stand down. Our korero to you, to stand down. Our korero to you, whanau, to stand down. Our korero to you, whanau, is to stand down. Our korero to you, whanau, is to to stand down. Our korero to you, whanau, is to stand to stand down. Our korero to you, whanau, is to stand up, to stand down. Our korero to you, whanau, is to stand up, but to stand down. Our korero to you, whanau, is to stand up, but be to stand down. Our korero to you, whanau, is to stand up, but be clear whanau, is to stand up, but be clear - whanau, is to stand up, but be clear - do whanau, is to stand up, but be clear - do not whanau, is to stand up, but be clear - do not get whanau, is to stand up, but be clear - do not get caught whanau, is to stand up, but be clear - do not get caught in whanau, is to stand up, but be clear - do not get caught in the whanau, is to stand up, but be clear - do not get caught in the politics - do not get caught in the politics of - do not get caught in the politics of distraction. - do not get caught in the politics of distraction. Because - do not get caught in the politics of distraction. Because we - do not get caught in the politics of distraction. Because we must - do not get caught in the politics of distraction. Because we must stay of distraction. Because we must stay focused of distraction. Because we must stay focused on of distraction. Because we must stay focused on our of distraction. Because we must stay focused on our own. of distraction. Because we must stay focused on our own. It's of distraction. Because we must stay focused on our own. It's going of distraction. Because we must stay focused on our own. It's going to focused on our own. It's going to take focused on our own. It's going to take a focused on our own. It's going to take a revolution focused on our own. It's going to take a revolution of focused on our own. It's going to take a revolution of minds focused on our own. It's going to take a revolution of minds to take a revolution of minds to withstand take a revolution of minds to withstand what's take a revolution of minds to withstand what's coming. take a revolution of minds to withstand what's coming. Conserve withstand what's coming. Conserve yourselves withstand what's coming. Conserve yourselves and, withstand what's coming. Conserve yourselves and, together, withstand what's coming. Conserve yourselves and, together, stay yourselves and, together, stay focused yourselves and, together, stay focused on yourselves and, together, stay focused on exactly yourselves and, together, stay focused on exactly what yourselves and, together, stay focused on exactly what it yourselves and, together, stay focused on exactly what it is yourselves and, together, stay focused on exactly what it is that focused on exactly what it is that we're focused on exactly what it is that we're fighting. focused on exactly what it is that we're fighting. Our focused on exactly what it is that we're fighting. Our Te focused on exactly what it is that we're fighting. Our Te Tiriti focused on exactly what it is that we're fighting. Our Te Tiriti is we're fighting. Our Te Tiriti is under we're fighting. Our Te Tiriti is under threat. we're fighting. Our Te Tiriti is under threat. Time we're fighting. Our Te Tiriti is under threat. Time is we're fighting. Our Te Tiriti is under threat. 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Brooke what was truly intended by Te Tiriti or Wai -- Waitangi. Brooke van or Wai -- Waitangi. Brooke van Velden. or Wai -- Waitangi. Brooke van Velden. Mr or Wai -- Waitangi. Brooke van Velden. Mr Speaker, or Wai -- Waitangi. Brooke van Velden. Mr Speaker, I or Wai -- Waitangi. Brooke van Velden. Mr Speaker, I seek or Wai -- Waitangi. Brooke van Velden. Mr Speaker, I seek your Velden. Mr Speaker, I seek your guidance Velden. Mr Speaker, I seek your guidance on Velden. Mr Speaker, I seek your guidance on what Velden. Mr Speaker, I seek your guidance on what you Velden. Mr Speaker, I seek your guidance on what you would Velden. Mr Speaker, I seek your guidance on what you would consider guidance on what you would consider to guidance on what you would consider to be guidance on what you would consider to be personal guidance on what you would consider to be personal attacks. guidance on what you would consider to be personal attacks. There guidance on what you would consider to be personal attacks. There were to be personal attacks. There were not to be personal attacks. There were not names to be personal attacks. There were not names given to be personal attacks. There were not names given in to be personal attacks. There were not names given in that to be personal attacks. There were not names given in that speech, to be personal attacks. 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However, there were comments made about her speech. However, there were comments made about the her speech. However, there were comments made about the individual comments made about the individual characteristics comments made about the individual characteristics of comments made about the individual characteristics of three comments made about the individual characteristics of three members comments made about the individual characteristics of three members who characteristics of three members who lead characteristics of three members who lead a characteristics of three members who lead a Government, characteristics of three members who lead a Government, without characteristics of three members who lead a Government, without their lead a Government, without their names lead a Government, without their names specifically lead a Government, without their names specifically being lead a Government, without their names specifically being mentioned, names specifically being mentioned, quite names specifically being mentioned, quite nasty names specifically being mentioned, quite nasty characteristics. names specifically being mentioned, quite nasty characteristics. 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And I think you raise something that is you raise something that is contestable. you raise something that is contestable. It's you raise something that is contestable. It's my you raise something that is contestable. It's my intention you raise something that is contestable. It's my intention to contestable. It's my intention to have contestable. It's my intention to have a contestable. It's my intention to have a look contestable. It's my intention to have a look at contestable. It's my intention to have a look at it contestable. It's my intention to have a look at it beyond contestable. It's my intention to have a look at it beyond this have a look at it beyond this particular have a look at it beyond this particular forum. have a look at it beyond this particular forum. In have a look at it beyond this particular forum. In light have a look at it beyond this particular forum. In light of have a look at it beyond this particular forum. 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So, will start to become curtailed. So, it will start to become curtailed. So, it can't will start to become curtailed. So, it can't be will start to become curtailed. So, it can't be something will start to become curtailed. So, it can't be something that will start to become curtailed. So, it can't be something that I'm will start to become curtailed. So, it can't be something that I'm going it can't be something that I'm going to it can't be something that I'm going to leap it can't be something that I'm going to leap to it can't be something that I'm going to leap to very it can't be something that I'm going to leap to very quickly. it can't be something that I'm going to leap to very quickly. And it can't be something that I'm going to leap to very quickly. And I it can't be something that I'm going to leap to very quickly. And I know to leap to very quickly. And I know that to leap to very quickly. And I know that that to leap to very quickly. And I know that that will to leap to very quickly. And I know that that will see to leap to very quickly. And I know that that will see a to leap to very quickly. And I know that that will see a pile to leap to very quickly. And I know that that will see a pile of to leap to very quickly. And I know that that will see a pile of people that that will see a pile of people sending that that will see a pile of people sending me that that will see a pile of people sending me all that that will see a pile of people sending me all sorts that that will see a pile of people sending me all sorts of that that will see a pile of people sending me all sorts of instructive sending me all sorts of instructive emails. sending me all sorts of instructive emails. But sending me all sorts of instructive emails. But I sending me all sorts of instructive emails. But I think sending me all sorts of instructive emails. But I think it's sending me all sorts of instructive emails. But I think it's the sending me all sorts of instructive emails. But I think it's the right emails. But I think it's the right thing emails. But I think it's the right thing to emails. But I think it's the right thing to do emails. But I think it's the right thing to do for emails. But I think it's the right thing to do for the emails. But I think it's the right thing to do for the sake emails. But I think it's the right thing to do for the sake of emails. But I think it's the right thing to do for the sake of the thing to do for the sake of the Parliament thing to do for the sake of the Parliament and thing to do for the sake of the Parliament and for thing to do for the sake of the Parliament and for that thing to do for the sake of the Parliament and for that ability thing to do for the sake of the Parliament and for that ability for Parliament and for that ability for all Parliament and for that ability for all members Parliament and for that ability for all members to Parliament and for that ability for all members to speak Parliament and for that ability for all members to speak freely Parliament and for that ability for all members to speak freely and Parliament and for that ability for all members to speak freely and from all members to speak freely and from the all members to speak freely and from the passionate all members to speak freely and from the passionate positions all members to speak freely and from the passionate positions that the passionate positions that everyone the passionate positions that everyone in the passionate positions that everyone in this the passionate positions that everyone in this House the passionate positions that everyone in this House comes the passionate positions that everyone in this House comes from. everyone in this House comes from. But everyone in this House comes from. But I everyone in this House comes from. But I take everyone in this House comes from. But I take the everyone in this House comes from. But I take the member's everyone in this House comes from. But I take the member's point everyone in this House comes from. But I take the member's point and But I take the member's point and will But I take the member's point and will obviously But I take the member's point and will obviously consider But I take the member's point and will obviously consider that. But I take the member's point and will obviously consider that. The will obviously consider that. The Hon will obviously consider that. The Hon Nicola will obviously consider that. The Hon Nicola Grigg. will obviously consider that. The Hon Nicola Grigg. Thank will obviously consider that. The Hon Nicola Grigg. Thank you, will obviously consider that. The Hon Nicola Grigg. Thank you, Mr Hon Nicola Grigg. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Hon Nicola Grigg. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Mr Hon Nicola Grigg. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, Hon Nicola Grigg. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, this Hon Nicola Grigg. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, this is Hon Nicola Grigg. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, this is my Speaker. Mr Speaker, this is my first Speaker. Mr Speaker, this is my first opportunity Speaker. Mr Speaker, this is my first opportunity to Speaker. Mr Speaker, this is my first opportunity to address Speaker. Mr Speaker, this is my first opportunity to address the first opportunity to address the House first opportunity to address the House since first opportunity to address the House since returning first opportunity to address the House since returning from first opportunity to address the House since returning from maternity House since returning from maternity leave, House since returning from maternity leave, and House since returning from maternity leave, and I'd House since returning from maternity leave, and I'd like House since returning from maternity leave, and I'd like to House since returning from maternity leave, and I'd like to extend House since returning from maternity leave, and I'd like to extend my leave, and I'd like to extend my profound leave, and I'd like to extend my profound thanks leave, and I'd like to extend my profound thanks to leave, and I'd like to extend my profound thanks to yourself leave, and I'd like to extend my profound thanks to yourself and leave, and I'd like to extend my profound thanks to yourself and also profound thanks to yourself and also to profound thanks to yourself and also to members profound thanks to yourself and also to members across profound thanks to yourself and also to members across the profound thanks to yourself and also to members across the House profound thanks to yourself and also to members across the House for profound thanks to yourself and also to members across the House for the to members across the House for the very to members across the House for the very kind to members across the House for the very kind wishes to members across the House for the very kind wishes and to members across the House for the very kind wishes and goodwill to members across the House for the very kind wishes and goodwill and very kind wishes and goodwill and support very kind wishes and goodwill and support shown very kind wishes and goodwill and support shown towards very kind wishes and goodwill and support shown towards me very kind wishes and goodwill and support shown towards me in very kind wishes and goodwill and support shown towards me in the support shown towards me in the seven support shown towards me in the seven months support shown towards me in the seven months since support shown towards me in the seven months since I've support shown towards me in the seven months since I've had support shown towards me in the seven months since I've had my support shown towards me in the seven months since I've had my baby. seven months since I've had my baby. It seven months since I've had my baby. It is, seven months since I've had my baby. It is, indeed, seven months since I've had my baby. It is, indeed, a seven months since I've had my baby. It is, indeed, a delight seven months since I've had my baby. It is, indeed, a delight to seven months since I've had my baby. It is, indeed, a delight to be seven months since I've had my baby. It is, indeed, a delight to be back. It is, indeed, a delight to be back. Mr It is, indeed, a delight to be back. Mr Speaker, It is, indeed, a delight to be back. Mr Speaker, in It is, indeed, a delight to be back. Mr Speaker, in the It is, indeed, a delight to be back. Mr Speaker, in the context It is, indeed, a delight to be back. Mr Speaker, in the context of Mr Speaker, in the context of getting Mr Speaker, in the context of getting some Mr Speaker, in the context of getting some sleep, Mr Speaker, in the context of getting some sleep, nothing Mr Speaker, in the context of getting some sleep, nothing sharpens getting some sleep, nothing sharpens the getting some sleep, nothing sharpens the mind getting some sleep, nothing sharpens the mind like getting some sleep, nothing sharpens the mind like having getting some sleep, nothing sharpens the mind like having a getting some sleep, nothing sharpens the mind like having a baby. getting some sleep, nothing sharpens the mind like having a baby. Nothing the mind like having a baby. Nothing makes the mind like having a baby. Nothing makes one the mind like having a baby. Nothing makes one more the mind like having a baby. Nothing makes one more aware the mind like having a baby. Nothing makes one more aware and the mind like having a baby. Nothing makes one more aware and more makes one more aware and more cognisant makes one more aware and more cognisant of makes one more aware and more cognisant of the makes one more aware and more cognisant of the country makes one more aware and more cognisant of the country and makes one more aware and more cognisant of the country and the cognisant of the country and the future cognisant of the country and the future of cognisant of the country and the future of the cognisant of the country and the future of the country cognisant of the country and the future of the country and, cognisant of the country and the future of the country and, indeed, future of the country and, indeed, the future of the country and, indeed, the Government future of the country and, indeed, the Government of future of the country and, indeed, the Government of the future of the country and, indeed, the Government of the day future of the country and, indeed, the Government of the day and future of the country and, indeed, the Government of the day and the the Government of the day and the decisions the Government of the day and the decisions it the Government of the day and the decisions it is the Government of the day and the decisions it is making the Government of the day and the decisions it is making to the Government of the day and the decisions it is making to progress decisions it is making to progress the decisions it is making to progress the future decisions it is making to progress the future of decisions it is making to progress the future of the decisions it is making to progress the future of the country decisions it is making to progress the future of the country like the future of the country like having the future of the country like having a the future of the country like having a child the future of the country like having a child and the future of the country like having a child and suddenly the future of the country like having a child and suddenly being having a child and suddenly being deeply having a child and suddenly being deeply invested having a child and suddenly being deeply invested in having a child and suddenly being deeply invested in the having a child and suddenly being deeply invested in the future having a child and suddenly being deeply invested in the future of deeply invested in the future of that deeply invested in the future of that child. deeply invested in the future of that child. So, deeply invested in the future of that child. So, Mr deeply invested in the future of that child. So, Mr Speaker, deeply invested in the future of that child. So, Mr Speaker, it deeply invested in the future of that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is deeply invested in the future of that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is as that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is as the that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is as the Minister that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is as the Minister for that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is as the Minister for Women that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is as the Minister for Women and that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is as the Minister for Women and as that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is as the Minister for Women and as a that child. So, Mr Speaker, it is as the Minister for Women and as a new the Minister for Women and as a new mum the Minister for Women and as a new mum that the Minister for Women and as a new mum that I the Minister for Women and as a new mum that I would the Minister for Women and as a new mum that I would like the Minister for Women and as a new mum that I would like to the Minister for Women and as a new mum that I would like to submit the Minister for Women and as a new mum that I would like to submit my mum that I would like to submit my comments mum that I would like to submit my comments to mum that I would like to submit my comments to the mum that I would like to submit my comments to the House mum that I would like to submit my comments to the House today. mum that I would like to submit my comments to the House today. I mum that I would like to submit my comments to the House today. I have comments to the House today. I have to comments to the House today. I have to say, comments to the House today. I have to say, on comments to the House today. I have to say, on my comments to the House today. I have to say, on my maternity comments to the House today. I have to say, on my maternity leave, comments to the House today. I have to say, on my maternity leave, I comments to the House today. I have to say, on my maternity leave, I had to say, on my maternity leave, I had time to say, on my maternity leave, I had time - to say, on my maternity leave, I had time - at to say, on my maternity leave, I had time - at times to say, on my maternity leave, I had time - at times - to say, on my maternity leave, I had time - at times - to to say, on my maternity leave, I had time - at times - to reflect to say, on my maternity leave, I had time - at times - to reflect on to say, on my maternity leave, I had time - at times - to reflect on the time - at times - to reflect on the direction time - at times - to reflect on the direction of time - at times - to reflect on the direction of travel time - at times - to reflect on the direction of travel of time - at times - to reflect on the direction of travel of this time - at times - to reflect on the direction of travel of this country direction of travel of this country and direction of travel of this country and how direction of travel of this country and how women direction of travel of this country and how women are direction of travel of this country and how women are treated. direction of travel of this country and how women are treated. And direction of travel of this country and how women are treated. And I and how women are treated. And I have and how women are treated. And I have to and how women are treated. And I have to say, and how women are treated. And I have to say, I and how women are treated. And I have to say, I am and how women are treated. And I have to say, I am profoundly and how women are treated. And I have to say, I am profoundly pleased have to say, I am profoundly pleased to have to say, I am profoundly pleased to be have to say, I am profoundly pleased to be a have to say, I am profoundly pleased to be a new have to say, I am profoundly pleased to be a new mum have to say, I am profoundly pleased to be a new mum under have to say, I am profoundly pleased to be a new mum under this to be a new mum under this Government, to be a new mum under this Government, not to be a new mum under this Government, not the to be a new mum under this Government, not the previous. to be a new mum under this Government, not the previous. Under Government, not the previous. Under the Government, not the previous. Under the previous Government, not the previous. Under the previous Government, Government, not the previous. Under the previous Government, Mr Government, not the previous. Under the previous Government, Mr Speaker, the previous Government, Mr Speaker, it the previous Government, Mr Speaker, it became the previous Government, Mr Speaker, it became profoundly the previous Government, Mr Speaker, it became profoundly clear the previous Government, Mr Speaker, it became profoundly clear that it became profoundly clear that politics it became profoundly clear that politics were it became profoundly clear that politics were an it became profoundly clear that politics were an order it became profoundly clear that politics were an order of it became profoundly clear that politics were an order of the it became profoundly clear that politics were an order of the day, politics were an order of the day, not politics were an order of the day, not the politics were an order of the day, not the best politics were an order of the day, not the best interests politics were an order of the day, not the best interests of politics were an order of the day, not the best interests of the politics were an order of the day, not the best interests of the women not the best interests of the women and not the best interests of the women and girls not the best interests of the women and girls of not the best interests of the women and girls of this not the best interests of the women and girls of this country. not the best interests of the women and girls of this country. And not the best interests of the women and girls of this country. And I and girls of this country. And I think and girls of this country. And I think back and girls of this country. And I think back to and girls of this country. And I think back to the and girls of this country. And I think back to the previous and girls of this country. And I think back to the previous Labour think back to the previous Labour Government think back to the previous Labour Government voting think back to the previous Labour Government voting down think back to the previous Labour Government voting down Nicola Government voting down Nicola Willis' Government voting down Nicola Willis' member's Government voting down Nicola Willis' member's bill Government voting down Nicola Willis' member's bill that Government voting down Nicola Willis' member's bill that would Willis' member's bill that would have Willis' member's bill that would have allowed Willis' member's bill that would have allowed parents Willis' member's bill that would have allowed parents to Willis' member's bill that would have allowed parents to share Willis' member's bill that would have allowed parents to share their have allowed parents to share their leave. have allowed parents to share their leave. I'm have allowed parents to share their leave. I'm very have allowed parents to share their leave. I'm very pleased, have allowed parents to share their leave. I'm very pleased, Mr have allowed parents to share their leave. I'm very pleased, Mr Speaker, leave. I'm very pleased, Mr Speaker, that leave. I'm very pleased, Mr Speaker, that we leave. I'm very pleased, Mr Speaker, that we have leave. I'm very pleased, Mr Speaker, that we have now leave. I'm very pleased, Mr Speaker, that we have now taken leave. I'm very pleased, Mr Speaker, that we have now taken that leave. I'm very pleased, Mr Speaker, that we have now taken that bill leave. I'm very pleased, Mr Speaker, that we have now taken that bill on that we have now taken that bill on as that we have now taken that bill on as a that we have now taken that bill on as a Government that we have now taken that bill on as a Government priority that we have now taken that bill on as a Government priority and that we have now taken that bill on as a Government priority and it that we have now taken that bill on as a Government priority and it will as a Government priority and it will be as a Government priority and it will be progressed as a Government priority and it will be progressed in as a Government priority and it will be progressed in time. as a Government priority and it will be progressed in time. It as a Government priority and it will be progressed in time. It will as a Government priority and it will be progressed in time. It will allow be progressed in time. It will allow mums be progressed in time. It will allow mums and be progressed in time. It will allow mums and dads be progressed in time. It will allow mums and dads in be progressed in time. It will allow mums and dads in this be progressed in time. It will allow mums and dads in this modern mums and dads in this modern society, mums and dads in this modern society, or mums and dads in this modern society, or mums mums and dads in this modern society, or mums and mums and dads in this modern society, or mums and mums, mums and dads in this modern society, or mums and mums, and mums and dads in this modern society, or mums and mums, and dads society, or mums and mums, and dads and society, or mums and mums, and dads and dads, society, or mums and mums, and dads and dads, to society, or mums and mums, and dads and dads, to be society, or mums and mums, and dads and dads, to be able society, or mums and mums, and dads and dads, to be able to society, or mums and mums, and dads and dads, to be able to share society, or mums and mums, and dads and dads, to be able to share their and dads, to be able to share their leave and dads, to be able to share their leave as and dads, to be able to share their leave as they and dads, to be able to share their leave as they see and dads, to be able to share their leave as they see fit and dads, to be able to share their leave as they see fit and and dads, to be able to share their leave as they see fit and make leave as they see fit and make autonomous leave as they see fit and make autonomous decisions leave as they see fit and make autonomous decisions over leave as they see fit and make autonomous decisions over how leave as they see fit and make autonomous decisions over how they autonomous decisions over how they structure autonomous decisions over how they structure their autonomous decisions over how they structure their family autonomous decisions over how they structure their family and autonomous decisions over how they structure their family and their structure their family and their working structure their family and their working lives. structure their family and their working lives. Mr structure their family and their working lives. Mr Speaker, structure their family and their working lives. Mr Speaker, we're working lives. Mr Speaker, we're here working lives. Mr Speaker, we're here to working lives. Mr Speaker, we're here to make working lives. Mr Speaker, we're here to make a working lives. Mr Speaker, we're here to make a positive working lives. Mr Speaker, we're here to make a positive difference here to make a positive difference to here to make a positive difference to mums here to make a positive difference to mums and here to make a positive difference to mums and dads here to make a positive difference to mums and dads and here to make a positive difference to mums and dads and families. here to make a positive difference to mums and dads and families. We to mums and dads and families. We have to mums and dads and families. We have seen to mums and dads and families. We have seen a to mums and dads and families. We have seen a catastrophic have seen a catastrophic mismanagement have seen a catastrophic mismanagement of have seen a catastrophic mismanagement of the have seen a catastrophic mismanagement of the health have seen a catastrophic mismanagement of the health system mismanagement of the health system under mismanagement of the health system under the mismanagement of the health system under the previous mismanagement of the health system under the previous Government. mismanagement of the health system under the previous Government. It mismanagement of the health system under the previous Government. It is under the previous Government. It is so under the previous Government. It is so wonderful under the previous Government. It is so wonderful to under the previous Government. It is so wonderful to have under the previous Government. It is so wonderful to have Dr under the previous Government. It is so wonderful to have Dr Shane under the previous Government. It is so wonderful to have Dr Shane Reti so wonderful to have Dr Shane Reti at so wonderful to have Dr Shane Reti at the so wonderful to have Dr Shane Reti at the helm, so wonderful to have Dr Shane Reti at the helm, Mr so wonderful to have Dr Shane Reti at the helm, Mr Speaker, so wonderful to have Dr Shane Reti at the helm, Mr Speaker, having so wonderful to have Dr Shane Reti at the helm, Mr Speaker, having just at the helm, Mr Speaker, having just given at the helm, Mr Speaker, having just given birth at the helm, Mr Speaker, having just given birth and at the helm, Mr Speaker, having just given birth and experienced at the helm, Mr Speaker, having just given birth and experienced the given birth and experienced the maternity given birth and experienced the maternity services given birth and experienced the maternity services in given birth and experienced the maternity services in this given birth and experienced the maternity services in this country, maternity services in this country, I maternity services in this country, I am maternity services in this country, I am so maternity services in this country, I am so pleased maternity services in this country, I am so pleased that maternity services in this country, I am so pleased that he maternity services in this country, I am so pleased that he is maternity services in this country, I am so pleased that he is now maternity services in this country, I am so pleased that he is now in I am so pleased that he is now in charge I am so pleased that he is now in charge of I am so pleased that he is now in charge of reforming I am so pleased that he is now in charge of reforming the I am so pleased that he is now in charge of reforming the reforms I am so pleased that he is now in charge of reforming the reforms that charge of reforming the reforms that did charge of reforming the reforms that did nothing charge of reforming the reforms that did nothing but charge of reforming the reforms that did nothing but degrade charge of reforming the reforms that did nothing but degrade and charge of reforming the reforms that did nothing but degrade and run charge of reforming the reforms that did nothing but degrade and run down did nothing but degrade and run down the did nothing but degrade and run down the hospital did nothing but degrade and run down the hospital system. did nothing but degrade and run down the hospital system. Again, did nothing but degrade and run down the hospital system. Again, Mr the hospital system. Again, Mr Speaker, the hospital system. Again, Mr Speaker, on the hospital system. Again, Mr Speaker, on this the hospital system. Again, Mr Speaker, on this side the hospital system. Again, Mr Speaker, on this side of the hospital system. Again, Mr Speaker, on this side of the the hospital system. Again, Mr Speaker, on this side of the House, Speaker, on this side of the House, we Speaker, on this side of the House, we believe Speaker, on this side of the House, we believe that Speaker, on this side of the House, we believe that parents Speaker, on this side of the House, we believe that parents know Speaker, on this side of the House, we believe that parents know best, we believe that parents know best, they we believe that parents know best, they know we believe that parents know best, they know how we believe that parents know best, they know how to we believe that parents know best, they know how to give we believe that parents know best, they know how to give their we believe that parents know best, they know how to give their children they know how to give their children the they know how to give their children the best they know how to give their children the best start they know how to give their children the best start to they know how to give their children the best start to life. they know how to give their children the best start to life. I they know how to give their children the best start to life. I am they know how to give their children the best start to life. I am so the best start to life. I am so pleased the best start to life. I am so pleased again the best start to life. I am so pleased again that the best start to life. I am so pleased again that National the best start to life. I am so pleased again that National is the best start to life. I am so pleased again that National is going pleased again that National is going to pleased again that National is going to take pleased again that National is going to take forward pleased again that National is going to take forward a pleased again that National is going to take forward a 3-day pleased again that National is going to take forward a 3-day stay pleased again that National is going to take forward a 3-day stay policy. to take forward a 3-day stay policy. It to take forward a 3-day stay policy. It will to take forward a 3-day stay policy. It will mean to take forward a 3-day stay policy. It will mean that to take forward a 3-day stay policy. It will mean that mums to take forward a 3-day stay policy. It will mean that mums and to take forward a 3-day stay policy. It will mean that mums and babies It will mean that mums and babies will It will mean that mums and babies will be It will mean that mums and babies will be entitled, It will mean that mums and babies will be entitled, by It will mean that mums and babies will be entitled, by law, It will mean that mums and babies will be entitled, by law, to It will mean that mums and babies will be entitled, by law, to 72 will be entitled, by law, to 72 hours' will be entitled, by law, to 72 hours' post-partum will be entitled, by law, to 72 hours' post-partum care, will be entitled, by law, to 72 hours' post-partum care, and will be entitled, by law, to 72 hours' post-partum care, and staff hours' post-partum care, and staff will hours' post-partum care, and staff will give hours' post-partum care, and staff will give them hours' post-partum care, and staff will give them an hours' post-partum care, and staff will give them an alert hours' post-partum care, and staff will give them an alert to hours' post-partum care, and staff will give them an alert to that hours' post-partum care, and staff will give them an alert to that by will give them an alert to that by law. will give them an alert to that by law. They will give them an alert to that by law. They will will give them an alert to that by law. They will be will give them an alert to that by law. They will be told will give them an alert to that by law. They will be told of will give them an alert to that by law. They will be told of that law. They will be told of that entitlement. As As these As these little As these little babies As these little babies grow As these little babies grow up As these little babies grow up and As these little babies grow up and become As these little babies grow up and become small As these little babies grow up and become small children As these little babies grow up and become small children and As these little babies grow up and become small children and toddlers, become small children and toddlers, we become small children and toddlers, we are become small children and toddlers, we are also become small children and toddlers, we are also going become small children and toddlers, we are also going to become small children and toddlers, we are also going to help become small children and toddlers, we are also going to help our become small children and toddlers, we are also going to help our mums we are also going to help our mums along we are also going to help our mums along by we are also going to help our mums along by enabling we are also going to help our mums along by enabling them we are also going to help our mums along by enabling them back we are also going to help our mums along by enabling them back into we are also going to help our mums along by enabling them back into the along by enabling them back into the workplace along by enabling them back into the workplace should along by enabling them back into the workplace should they along by enabling them back into the workplace should they choose. along by enabling them back into the workplace should they choose. It's workplace should they choose. It's all workplace should they choose. It's all about workplace should they choose. It's all about giving workplace should they choose. It's all about giving parents workplace should they choose. It's all about giving parents choice, all about giving parents choice, particularly all about giving parents choice, particularly our all about giving parents choice, particularly our mums all about giving parents choice, particularly our mums who all about giving parents choice, particularly our mums who are all about giving parents choice, particularly our mums who are so particularly our mums who are so overly particularly our mums who are so overly represented particularly our mums who are so overly represented in particularly our mums who are so overly represented in poorer overly represented in poorer outcomes overly represented in poorer outcomes for overly represented in poorer outcomes for employment overly represented in poorer outcomes for employment and overly represented in poorer outcomes for employment and so overly represented in poorer outcomes for employment and so on outcomes for employment and so on and outcomes for employment and so on and so outcomes for employment and so on and so forth. outcomes for employment and so on and so forth. We outcomes for employment and so on and so forth. We have outcomes for employment and so on and so forth. We have been outcomes for employment and so on and so forth. We have been delighted and so forth. We have been delighted though and so forth. We have been delighted though announce and so forth. We have been delighted though announce our and so forth. We have been delighted though announce our family and so forth. We have been delighted though announce our family boost though announce our family boost policy though announce our family boost policy in though announce our family boost policy in this though announce our family boost policy in this year's though announce our family boost policy in this year's Budget, though announce our family boost policy in this year's Budget, Mr policy in this year's Budget, Mr Speaker, policy in this year's Budget, Mr Speaker, which policy in this year's Budget, Mr Speaker, which enables policy in this year's Budget, Mr Speaker, which enables parents policy in this year's Budget, Mr Speaker, which enables parents who Speaker, which enables parents who qualify Speaker, which enables parents who qualify up Speaker, which enables parents who qualify up to Speaker, which enables parents who qualify up to $150 Speaker, which enables parents who qualify up to $150 a Speaker, which enables parents who qualify up to $150 a fortnight Speaker, which enables parents who qualify up to $150 a fortnight to Speaker, which enables parents who qualify up to $150 a fortnight to go qualify up to $150 a fortnight to go towards qualify up to $150 a fortnight to go towards childcare qualify up to $150 a fortnight to go towards childcare get qualify up to $150 a fortnight to go towards childcare get our qualify up to $150 a fortnight to go towards childcare get our mums qualify up to $150 a fortnight to go towards childcare get our mums back towards childcare get our mums back into towards childcare get our mums back into the towards childcare get our mums back into the workforce towards childcare get our mums back into the workforce if towards childcare get our mums back into the workforce if they towards childcare get our mums back into the workforce if they so into the workforce if they so choose. into the workforce if they so choose. On into the workforce if they so choose. On the into the workforce if they so choose. On the topic into the workforce if they so choose. On the topic of into the workforce if they so choose. On the topic of tax into the workforce if they so choose. On the topic of tax relief, choose. On the topic of tax relief, women choose. On the topic of tax relief, women across choose. On the topic of tax relief, women across the choose. On the topic of tax relief, women across the country choose. On the topic of tax relief, women across the country can choose. On the topic of tax relief, women across the country can now women across the country can now keep women across the country can now keep more women across the country can now keep more of women across the country can now keep more of what women across the country can now keep more of what they women across the country can now keep more of what they earn. women across the country can now keep more of what they earn. We women across the country can now keep more of what they earn. We are keep more of what they earn. We are not keep more of what they earn. We are not the keep more of what they earn. We are not the long keep more of what they earn. We are not the long hand keep more of what they earn. We are not the long hand of keep more of what they earn. We are not the long hand of Government not the long hand of Government reaching not the long hand of Government reaching into not the long hand of Government reaching into their not the long hand of Government reaching into their bank not the long hand of Government reaching into their bank accounts reaching into their bank accounts and reaching into their bank accounts and degrading reaching into their bank accounts and degrading their reaching into their bank accounts and degrading their take-home reaching into their bank accounts and degrading their take-home pay and degrading their take-home pay with and degrading their take-home pay with massively and degrading their take-home pay with massively high and degrading their take-home pay with massively high levels and degrading their take-home pay with massively high levels of with massively high levels of inflation with massively high levels of inflation that with massively high levels of inflation that this with massively high levels of inflation that this country with massively high levels of inflation that this country has with massively high levels of inflation that this country has seen inflation that this country has seen for inflation that this country has seen for too inflation that this country has seen for too long. inflation that this country has seen for too long. Our inflation that this country has seen for too long. Our Minister inflation that this country has seen for too long. Our Minister of for too long. Our Minister of Finance for too long. Our Minister of Finance is for too long. Our Minister of Finance is getting for too long. Our Minister of Finance is getting the for too long. Our Minister of Finance is getting the books for too long. Our Minister of Finance is getting the books back for too long. Our Minister of Finance is getting the books back in Finance is getting the books back in order. Finance is getting the books back in order. We're Finance is getting the books back in order. We're driving Finance is getting the books back in order. We're driving down Finance is getting the books back in order. We're driving down inflation. order. We're driving down inflation. We're order. We're driving down inflation. We're down order. We're driving down inflation. We're down interest order. We're driving down inflation. We're down interest rates. order. We're driving down inflation. We're down interest rates. We're We're down interest rates. We're letting We're down interest rates. We're letting parents We're down interest rates. We're letting parents keep We're down interest rates. We're letting parents keep more We're down interest rates. We're letting parents keep more of We're down interest rates. We're letting parents keep more of what letting parents keep more of what they letting parents keep more of what they earn letting parents keep more of what they earn in letting parents keep more of what they earn in order letting parents keep more of what they earn in order to letting parents keep more of what they earn in order to enable letting parents keep more of what they earn in order to enable lovely they earn in order to enable lovely futures they earn in order to enable lovely futures for they earn in order to enable lovely futures for their they earn in order to enable lovely futures for their children. they earn in order to enable lovely futures for their children. On they earn in order to enable lovely futures for their children. On the futures for their children. On the topic futures for their children. On the topic of futures for their children. On the topic of healthcare, futures for their children. On the topic of healthcare, again, futures for their children. On the topic of healthcare, again, thank topic of healthcare, again, thank goodness topic of healthcare, again, thank goodness doctor topic of healthcare, again, thank goodness doctor Shane topic of healthcare, again, thank goodness doctor Shane is topic of healthcare, again, thank goodness doctor Shane is at topic of healthcare, again, thank goodness doctor Shane is at the goodness doctor Shane is at the helm. goodness doctor Shane is at the helm. We goodness doctor Shane is at the helm. We have goodness doctor Shane is at the helm. We have announced goodness doctor Shane is at the helm. We have announced the helm. We have announced the extension helm. We have announced the extension of helm. We have announced the extension of breast helm. We have announced the extension of breast screening extension of breast screening services extension of breast screening services to extension of breast screening services to 70-74-year-olds. extension of breast screening services to 70-74-year-olds. We're services to 70-74-year-olds. We're in services to 70-74-year-olds. We're in the services to 70-74-year-olds. We're in the business services to 70-74-year-olds. We're in the business of services to 70-74-year-olds. We're in the business of saving services to 70-74-year-olds. We're in the business of saving lives. in the business of saving lives. We're in the business of saving lives. We're in in the business of saving lives. We're in the in the business of saving lives. We're in the business in the business of saving lives. We're in the business of in the business of saving lives. We're in the business of boosting We're in the business of boosting PHARMAC We're in the business of boosting PHARMAC to We're in the business of boosting PHARMAC to $6.3 We're in the business of boosting PHARMAC to $6.3 billion We're in the business of boosting PHARMAC to $6.3 billion over We're in the business of boosting PHARMAC to $6.3 billion over the PHARMAC to $6.3 billion over the next PHARMAC to $6.3 billion over the next four PHARMAC to $6.3 billion over the next four years. PHARMAC to $6.3 billion over the next four years. That PHARMAC to $6.3 billion over the next four years. That is PHARMAC to $6.3 billion over the next four years. That is the PHARMAC to $6.3 billion over the next four years. That is the largest next four years. That is the largest Budget next four years. That is the largest Budget PHARMAC next four years. That is the largest Budget PHARMAC has next four years. That is the largest Budget PHARMAC has ever next four years. That is the largest Budget PHARMAC has ever seen. next four years. That is the largest Budget PHARMAC has ever seen. We next four years. That is the largest Budget PHARMAC has ever seen. We are Budget PHARMAC has ever seen. We are investing Budget PHARMAC has ever seen. We are investing in Budget PHARMAC has ever seen. We are investing in healthcare Budget PHARMAC has ever seen. We are investing in healthcare for Budget PHARMAC has ever seen. We are investing in healthcare for the investing in healthcare for the future investing in healthcare for the future of investing in healthcare for the future of the investing in healthcare for the future of the women investing in healthcare for the future of the women of investing in healthcare for the future of the women of New investing in healthcare for the future of the women of New Zealand. future of the women of New Zealand. And future of the women of New Zealand. And in future of the women of New Zealand. And in my future of the women of New Zealand. And in my last future of the women of New Zealand. And in my last 30 future of the women of New Zealand. And in my last 30 second, future of the women of New Zealand. And in my last 30 second, I future of the women of New Zealand. And in my last 30 second, I wanted And in my last 30 second, I wanted to And in my last 30 second, I wanted to quickly And in my last 30 second, I wanted to quickly touch And in my last 30 second, I wanted to quickly touch on And in my last 30 second, I wanted to quickly touch on the And in my last 30 second, I wanted to quickly touch on the pay And in my last 30 second, I wanted to quickly touch on the pay gap. to quickly touch on the pay gap. Under to quickly touch on the pay gap. Under the to quickly touch on the pay gap. Under the last to quickly touch on the pay gap. Under the last Government, to quickly touch on the pay gap. Under the last Government, it to quickly touch on the pay gap. Under the last Government, it sat to quickly touch on the pay gap. Under the last Government, it sat on Under the last Government, it sat on around Under the last Government, it sat on around 9% Under the last Government, it sat on around 9% for Under the last Government, it sat on around 9% for six Under the last Government, it sat on around 9% for six long Under the last Government, it sat on around 9% for six long years. Under the last Government, it sat on around 9% for six long years. We Under the last Government, it sat on around 9% for six long years. We are around 9% for six long years. We are the around 9% for six long years. We are the Government around 9% for six long years. We are the Government taking around 9% for six long years. We are the Government taking action. around 9% for six long years. We are the Government taking action. We around 9% for six long years. We are the Government taking action. We are the Government taking action. We are the the Government taking action. We are the Government the Government taking action. We are the Government working the Government taking action. We are the Government working with the Government taking action. We are the Government working with business the Government working with business to the Government working with business to design the Government working with business to design a the Government working with business to design a pay the Government working with business to design a pay gap the Government working with business to design a pay gap calculation the Government working with business to design a pay gap calculation tool to design a pay gap calculation tool so to design a pay gap calculation tool so that to design a pay gap calculation tool so that sun to design a pay gap calculation tool so that sun light to design a pay gap calculation tool so that sun light they to design a pay gap calculation tool so that sun light they say to design a pay gap calculation tool so that sun light they say is to design a pay gap calculation tool so that sun light they say is the so that sun light they say is the disinfectant so that sun light they say is the disinfectant and so that sun light they say is the disinfectant and this so that sun light they say is the disinfectant and this is so that sun light they say is the disinfectant and this is the so that sun light they say is the disinfectant and this is the only disinfectant and this is the only way disinfectant and this is the only way to disinfectant and this is the only way to drive disinfectant and this is the only way to drive it disinfectant and this is the only way to drive it down. disinfectant and this is the only way to drive it down. We disinfectant and this is the only way to drive it down. We are disinfectant and this is the only way to drive it down. We are taking way to drive it down. We are taking action way to drive it down. We are taking action for way to drive it down. We are taking action for that. way to drive it down. We are taking action for that. Women way to drive it down. We are taking action for that. Women are way to drive it down. We are taking action for that. Women are too way to drive it down. We are taking action for that. Women are too smart action for that. Women are too smart to action for that. Women are too smart to fall action for that. Women are too smart to fall for action for that. Women are too smart to fall for lip action for that. Women are too smart to fall for lip service. action for that. Women are too smart to fall for lip service. They action for that. Women are too smart to fall for lip service. They were to fall for lip service. They were not to fall for lip service. They were not interested to fall for lip service. They were not interested in to fall for lip service. They were not interested in the to fall for lip service. They were not interested in the press to fall for lip service. They were not interested in the press releases not interested in the press releases and not interested in the press releases and proclamations not interested in the press releases and proclamations of not interested in the press releases and proclamations of the not interested in the press releases and proclamations of the Labour and proclamations of the Labour Government. and proclamations of the Labour Government. The and proclamations of the Labour Government. The Coalition and proclamations of the Labour Government. The Coalition government Government. The Coalition government with Government. The Coalition government with our Government. The Coalition government with our friends Government. The Coalition government with our friends in Government. The Coalition government with our friends in the Government. The Coalition government with our friends in the ACT Government. The Coalition government with our friends in the ACT Party with our friends in the ACT Party and with our friends in the ACT Party and New with our friends in the ACT Party and New Zealand with our friends in the ACT Party and New Zealand First, with our friends in the ACT Party and New Zealand First, we're with our friends in the ACT Party and New Zealand First, we're driving and New Zealand First, we're driving to and New Zealand First, we're driving to make and New Zealand First, we're driving to make a and New Zealand First, we're driving to make a difference. and New Zealand First, we're driving to make a difference. I and New Zealand First, we're driving to make a difference. I call and New Zealand First, we're driving to make a difference. I call the to make a difference. I call the next to make a difference. I call the next speaker. to make a difference. I call the next speaker. I to make a difference. I call the next speaker. I say to make a difference. I call the next speaker. I say today, to make a difference. I call the next speaker. I say today, Te to make a difference. I call the next speaker. I say today, Te Reo next speaker. I say today, Te Reo Maori next speaker. I say today, Te Reo Maori is next speaker. I say today, Te Reo Maori is an next speaker. I say today, Te Reo Maori is an official next speaker. I say today, Te Reo Maori is an official language next speaker. I say today, Te Reo Maori is an official language of Maori is an official language of this Maori is an official language of this country, Maori is an official language of this country, Aotearoa Maori is an official language of this country, Aotearoa New Maori is an official language of this country, Aotearoa New Zealand. this country, Aotearoa New Zealand. And this country, Aotearoa New Zealand. And I this country, Aotearoa New Zealand. And I do this country, Aotearoa New Zealand. And I do not this country, Aotearoa New Zealand. And I do not accept this country, Aotearoa New Zealand. And I do not accept this And I do not accept this Government's And I do not accept this Government's continued And I do not accept this Government's continued whakatiti And I do not accept this Government's continued whakatiti of Government's continued whakatiti of this. Government's continued whakatiti of this. Aucklanders Government's continued whakatiti of this. Aucklanders are Government's continued whakatiti of this. Aucklanders are not Government's continued whakatiti of this. Aucklanders are not getting this. Aucklanders are not getting what this. Aucklanders are not getting what they this. Aucklanders are not getting what they voted this. Aucklanders are not getting what they voted for. this. Aucklanders are not getting what they voted for. National what they voted for. National promised what they voted for. National promised voters what they voted for. National promised voters that what they voted for. National promised voters that the what they voted for. National promised voters that the cost what they voted for. National promised voters that the cost of promised voters that the cost of living promised voters that the cost of living would promised voters that the cost of living would come promised voters that the cost of living would come down. promised voters that the cost of living would come down. That promised voters that the cost of living would come down. That crime living would come down. That crime would living would come down. That crime would stop. living would come down. That crime would stop. Incomes living would come down. That crime would stop. Incomes would living would come down. That crime would stop. Incomes would grow. would stop. Incomes would grow. Climate would stop. Incomes would grow. Climate change would stop. Incomes would grow. Climate change would would stop. Incomes would grow. Climate change would be would stop. Incomes would grow. Climate change would be addressed. Climate change would be addressed. And Climate change would be addressed. And we Climate change would be addressed. And we would Climate change would be addressed. And we would all Climate change would be addressed. And we would all be Climate change would be addressed. And we would all be better Climate change would be addressed. And we would all be better off, Climate change would be addressed. And we would all be better off, Mr And we would all be better off, Mr Speaker. And we would all be better off, Mr Speaker. But And we would all be better off, Mr Speaker. But that And we would all be better off, Mr Speaker. But that is And we would all be better off, Mr Speaker. But that is not And we would all be better off, Mr Speaker. But that is not what And we would all be better off, Mr Speaker. But that is not what we And we would all be better off, Mr Speaker. But that is not what we are Speaker. But that is not what we are seeing. Speaker. But that is not what we are seeing. Under Speaker. But that is not what we are seeing. Under National, Speaker. But that is not what we are seeing. Under National, back Speaker. But that is not what we are seeing. Under National, back on seeing. Under National, back on track seeing. Under National, back on track means seeing. Under National, back on track means rents seeing. Under National, back on track means rents are seeing. Under National, back on track means rents are up. track means rents are up. Unemployment track means rents are up. Unemployment is track means rents are up. Unemployment is up. track means rents are up. Unemployment is up. Benefit track means rents are up. Unemployment is up. Benefit numbers Unemployment is up. Benefit numbers are Unemployment is up. Benefit numbers are up. Unemployment is up. 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You just can't trust this Government, because can't trust this Government, because nothing can't trust this Government, because nothing they can't trust this Government, because nothing they do can't trust this Government, because nothing they do stacks can't trust this Government, because nothing they do stacks up. can't trust this Government, because nothing they do stacks up. It's can't trust this Government, because nothing they do stacks up. It's just nothing they do stacks up. It's just slogans. nothing they do stacks up. It's just slogans. It's nothing they do stacks up. It's just slogans. It's out nothing they do stacks up. It's just slogans. It's out of nothing they do stacks up. It's just slogans. It's out of step nothing they do stacks up. It's just slogans. It's out of step with nothing they do stacks up. It's just slogans. It's out of step with what slogans. It's out of step with what experts slogans. It's out of step with what experts say. slogans. 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The Minister for Auckland is supposed to advocate on behalf of supposed to advocate on behalf of Aucklanders supposed to advocate on behalf of Aucklanders and supposed to advocate on behalf of Aucklanders and coordinate supposed to advocate on behalf of Aucklanders and coordinate an supposed to advocate on behalf of Aucklanders and coordinate an all supposed to advocate on behalf of Aucklanders and coordinate an all of Aucklanders and coordinate an all of Government Aucklanders and coordinate an all of Government response. Aucklanders and coordinate an all of Government response. I Aucklanders and coordinate an all of Government response. I think Aucklanders and coordinate an all of Government response. I think he Government response. I think he spends Government response. I think he spends more Government response. I think he spends more time Government response. I think he spends more time working Government response. I think he spends more time working outside Government response. I think he spends more time working outside of spends more time working outside of Auckland spends more time working outside of Auckland than spends more time working outside of Auckland than in. spends more time working outside of Auckland than in. But spends more time working outside of Auckland than in. But he spends more time working outside of Auckland than in. But he also spends more time working outside of Auckland than in. But he also has spends more time working outside of Auckland than in. But he also has no Auckland than in. But he also has no plan Auckland than in. But he also has no plan to Auckland than in. But he also has no plan to reduce Auckland than in. But he also has no plan to reduce congestion, Auckland than in. But he also has no plan to reduce congestion, to Auckland than in. But he also has no plan to reduce congestion, to reduce plan to reduce congestion, to reduce crime, plan to reduce congestion, to reduce crime, and plan to reduce congestion, to reduce crime, and what plan to reduce congestion, to reduce crime, and what I've plan to reduce congestion, to reduce crime, and what I've spoken plan to reduce congestion, to reduce crime, and what I've spoken to crime, and what I've spoken to today, crime, and what I've spoken to today, he's crime, and what I've spoken to today, he's got crime, and what I've spoken to today, he's got no crime, and what I've spoken to today, he's got no plan crime, and what I've spoken to today, he's got no plan to crime, and what I've spoken to today, he's got no plan to reduce today, he's got no plan to reduce the today, he's got no plan to reduce the cost today, he's got no plan to reduce the cost of today, he's got no plan to reduce the cost of living. today, he's got no plan to reduce the cost of living. Instead, today, he's got no plan to reduce the cost of living. Instead, he's the cost of living. Instead, he's sup the cost of living. Instead, he's sup or the cost of living. Instead, he's sup or tax the cost of living. Instead, he's sup or tax cuts the cost of living. Instead, he's sup or tax cuts for the cost of living. Instead, he's sup or tax cuts for landlords the cost of living. Instead, he's sup or tax cuts for landlords and sup or tax cuts for landlords and expected sup or tax cuts for landlords and expected that sup or tax cuts for landlords and expected that to sup or tax cuts for landlords and expected that to trickle sup or tax cuts for landlords and expected that to trickle down. sup or tax cuts for landlords and expected that to trickle down. He's expected that to trickle down. He's ripped expected that to trickle down. He's ripped out expected that to trickle down. He's ripped out Maori expected that to trickle down. He's ripped out Maori Wards, expected that to trickle down. He's ripped out Maori Wards, and expected that to trickle down. He's ripped out Maori Wards, and these ripped out Maori Wards, and these are ripped out Maori Wards, and these are not ripped out Maori Wards, and these are not priorities ripped out Maori Wards, and these are not priorities for ripped out Maori Wards, and these are not priorities for Aucklanders. are not priorities for Aucklanders. The are not priorities for Aucklanders. The cuts are not priorities for Aucklanders. The cuts that are not priorities for Aucklanders. The cuts that he are not priorities for Aucklanders. The cuts that he has are not priorities for Aucklanders. The cuts that he has supported are not priorities for Aucklanders. The cuts that he has supported are The cuts that he has supported are too The cuts that he has supported are too extreme. The cuts that he has supported are too extreme. The The cuts that he has supported are too extreme. The half-price The cuts that he has supported are too extreme. The half-price public too extreme. The half-price public transport too extreme. The half-price public transport - too extreme. The half-price public transport - scrapped. too extreme. The half-price public transport - scrapped. More too extreme. The half-price public transport - scrapped. More expensive transport - scrapped. More expensive to transport - scrapped. More expensive to get transport - scrapped. More expensive to get around transport - scrapped. More expensive to get around our transport - scrapped. More expensive to get around our city. transport - scrapped. More expensive to get around our city. $1.2 transport - scrapped. More expensive to get around our city. $1.2 billion to get around our city. $1.2 billion hole to get around our city. $1.2 billion hole in to get around our city. $1.2 billion hole in Auckland to get around our city. $1.2 billion hole in Auckland Infrastructure's hole in Auckland Infrastructure's fund, hole in Auckland Infrastructure's fund, disabling hole in Auckland Infrastructure's fund, disabling our hole in Auckland Infrastructure's fund, disabling our city hole in Auckland Infrastructure's fund, disabling our city to fund, disabling our city to future-proof fund, disabling our city to future-proof our fund, disabling our city to future-proof our infrastructure. future-proof our infrastructure. They future-proof our infrastructure. They promised future-proof our infrastructure. They promised to future-proof our infrastructure. They promised to train future-proof our infrastructure. They promised to train 500 future-proof our infrastructure. They promised to train 500 more They promised to train 500 more front-line They promised to train 500 more front-line officers They promised to train 500 more front-line officers in They promised to train 500 more front-line officers in two They promised to train 500 more front-line officers in two years, front-line officers in two years, but front-line officers in two years, but instead, front-line officers in two years, but instead, they front-line officers in two years, but instead, they have front-line officers in two years, but instead, they have reduced but instead, they have reduced police but instead, they have reduced police numbers but instead, they have reduced police numbers from but instead, they have reduced police numbers from Auckland's but instead, they have reduced police numbers from Auckland's North police numbers from Auckland's North Shore, police numbers from Auckland's North Shore, and police numbers from Auckland's North Shore, and west police numbers from Auckland's North Shore, and west Auckland, police numbers from Auckland's North Shore, and west Auckland, to police numbers from Auckland's North Shore, and west Auckland, to prop police numbers from Auckland's North Shore, and west Auckland, to prop up Shore, and west Auckland, to prop up the Shore, and west Auckland, to prop up the CBD Shore, and west Auckland, to prop up the CBD response Shore, and west Auckland, to prop up the CBD response teams. Shore, and west Auckland, to prop up the CBD response teams. In Shore, and west Auckland, to prop up the CBD response teams. In addition the CBD response teams. In addition to the CBD response teams. In addition to that, the CBD response teams. In addition to that, huge the CBD response teams. In addition to that, huge cuts the CBD response teams. In addition to that, huge cuts to the CBD response teams. In addition to that, huge cuts to Oranga to that, huge cuts to Oranga Tamariki to that, huge cuts to Oranga Tamariki funding, to that, huge cuts to Oranga Tamariki funding, including to that, huge cuts to Oranga Tamariki funding, including the Tamariki funding, including the North Tamariki funding, including the North Shore Tamariki funding, including the North Shore Women's Tamariki funding, including the North Shore Women's Centre, Tamariki funding, including the North Shore Women's Centre, leaving North Shore Women's Centre, leaving up North Shore Women's Centre, leaving up to North Shore Women's Centre, leaving up to 500 North Shore Women's Centre, leaving up to 500 women, North Shore Women's Centre, leaving up to 500 women, vulnerable North Shore Women's Centre, leaving up to 500 women, vulnerable women up to 500 women, vulnerable women and up to 500 women, vulnerable women and their up to 500 women, vulnerable women and their Tamariki up to 500 women, vulnerable women and their Tamariki without up to 500 women, vulnerable women and their Tamariki without support and their Tamariki without support and and their Tamariki without support and forcing and their Tamariki without support and forcing their and their Tamariki without support and forcing their closure. and their Tamariki without support and forcing their closure. They and forcing their closure. They promised and forcing their closure. They promised no and forcing their closure. They promised no impact and forcing their closure. They promised no impact to and forcing their closure. They promised no impact to front-line promised no impact to front-line services, promised no impact to front-line services, and promised no impact to front-line services, and here promised no impact to front-line services, and here we promised no impact to front-line services, and here we are. promised no impact to front-line services, and here we are. They've services, and here we are. They've also services, and here we are. They've also scrapped services, and here we are. They've also scrapped the services, and here we are. They've also scrapped the building services, and here we are. They've also scrapped the building of also scrapped the building of property, also scrapped the building of property, of also scrapped the building of property, of desperately also scrapped the building of property, of desperately needed property, of desperately needed classrooms property, of desperately needed classrooms and property, of desperately needed classrooms and schools property, of desperately needed classrooms and schools across classrooms and schools across Auckland, classrooms and schools across Auckland, and classrooms and schools across Auckland, and in classrooms and schools across Auckland, and in my classrooms and schools across Auckland, and in my local classrooms and schools across Auckland, and in my local community, Auckland, and in my local community, Beach Auckland, and in my local community, Beach Haven Auckland, and in my local community, Beach Haven primary Auckland, and in my local community, Beach Haven primary school, Beach Haven primary school, Birkenhead Beach Haven primary school, Birkenhead Primary, Beach Haven primary school, Birkenhead Primary, they've Birkenhead Primary, they've cancelled Birkenhead Primary, they've cancelled the Birkenhead Primary, they've cancelled the building Birkenhead Primary, they've cancelled the building of Birkenhead Primary, they've cancelled the building of our cancelled the building of our classrooms. cancelled the building of our classrooms. Aucklanders cancelled the building of our classrooms. Aucklanders work cancelled the building of our classrooms. Aucklanders work hard. classrooms. Aucklanders work hard. They classrooms. Aucklanders work hard. They pay classrooms. Aucklanders work hard. They pay their classrooms. Aucklanders work hard. They pay their taxes, classrooms. Aucklanders work hard. They pay their taxes, and classrooms. Aucklanders work hard. They pay their taxes, and they They pay their taxes, and they wanted They pay their taxes, and they wanted a They pay their taxes, and they wanted a cost They pay their taxes, and they wanted a cost of They pay their taxes, and they wanted a cost of living They pay their taxes, and they wanted a cost of living plan They pay their taxes, and they wanted a cost of living plan that wanted a cost of living plan that this wanted a cost of living plan that this Government wanted a cost of living plan that this Government has wanted a cost of living plan that this Government has not wanted a cost of living plan that this Government has not delivered, this Government has not delivered, and this Government has not delivered, and they've this Government has not delivered, and they've broken this Government has not delivered, and they've broken their this Government has not delivered, and they've broken their promise. 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So it is with great pride that our wonderful with great pride that our wonderful Minister with great pride that our wonderful Minister of with great pride that our wonderful Minister of Education, with great pride that our wonderful Minister of Education, Erica Minister of Education, Erica Stanford, Minister of Education, Erica Stanford, has Minister of Education, Erica Stanford, has made Minister of Education, Erica Stanford, has made the Minister of Education, Erica Stanford, has made the incredible Stanford, has made the incredible announcements Stanford, has made the incredible announcements this Stanford, has made the incredible announcements this week Stanford, has made the incredible announcements this week to Stanford, has made the incredible announcements this week to bring announcements this week to bring forward announcements this week to bring forward the announcements this week to bring forward the focus announcements this week to bring forward the focus on announcements this week to bring forward the focus on numeracy announcements this week to bring forward the focus on numeracy to announcements this week to bring forward the focus on numeracy to get forward the focus on numeracy to get our forward the focus on numeracy to get our kids forward the focus on numeracy to get our kids back forward the focus on numeracy to get our kids back on forward the focus on numeracy to get our kids back on track. forward the focus on numeracy to get our kids back on track. 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Because I think that this this issue is bigger than politics. Because I think that this politics. Because I think that this is politics. Because I think that this is simply politics. Because I think that this is simply one politics. Because I think that this is simply one of politics. Because I think that this is simply one of most politics. Because I think that this is simply one of most important is simply one of most important things is simply one of most important things that is simply one of most important things that we is simply one of most important things that we have is simply one of most important things that we have to is simply one of most important things that we have to sort is simply one of most important things that we have to sort out. things that we have to sort out. Because things that we have to sort out. Because our things that we have to sort out. Because our future things that we have to sort out. Because our future in things that we have to sort out. Because our future in this things that we have to sort out. Because our future in this country Because our future in this country depends Because our future in this country depends on Because our future in this country depends on it. Because our future in this country depends on it. We Because our future in this country depends on it. We have Because our future in this country depends on it. We have the Because our future in this country depends on it. We have the smartest depends on it. We have the smartest kids depends on it. We have the smartest kids in depends on it. We have the smartest kids in the depends on it. We have the smartest kids in the world, depends on it. We have the smartest kids in the world, and depends on it. We have the smartest kids in the world, and currently, kids in the world, and currently, we're kids in the world, and currently, we're doing kids in the world, and currently, we're doing them kids in the world, and currently, we're doing them a kids in the world, and currently, we're doing them a disservice. kids in the world, and currently, we're doing them a disservice. In kids in the world, and currently, we're doing them a disservice. In my we're doing them a disservice. In my electorate, we're doing them a disservice. In my electorate, the we're doing them a disservice. In my electorate, the mighty we're doing them a disservice. In my electorate, the mighty East we're doing them a disservice. 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Regular attendance ranges school. Regular attendance ranges from school. Regular attendance ranges from 29% school. Regular attendance ranges from 29% in school. Regular attendance ranges from 29% in some school. Regular attendance ranges from 29% in some towns school. Regular attendance ranges from 29% in some towns to school. Regular attendance ranges from 29% in some towns to 59% school. Regular attendance ranges from 29% in some towns to 59% is school. 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It's one of the very important pees of work that we need important pees of work that we need to important pees of work that we need to nail important pees of work that we need to nail to important pees of work that we need to nail to break important pees of work that we need to nail to break down important pees of work that we need to nail to break down the to nail to break down the intergenerational to nail to break down the intergenerational cycles to nail to break down the intergenerational cycles of to nail to break down the intergenerational cycles of poverty intergenerational cycles of poverty and intergenerational cycles of poverty and benefit intergenerational cycles of poverty and benefit dependency intergenerational cycles of poverty and benefit dependency and intergenerational cycles of poverty and benefit dependency and truancy. and benefit dependency and truancy. This and benefit dependency and truancy. This is and benefit dependency and truancy. This is one and benefit dependency and truancy. This is one of and benefit dependency and truancy. This is one of biggest and benefit dependency and truancy. This is one of biggest issues and benefit dependency and truancy. This is one of biggest issues in and benefit dependency and truancy. This is one of biggest issues in the This is one of biggest issues in the electorate This is one of biggest issues in the electorate that This is one of biggest issues in the electorate that I This is one of biggest issues in the electorate that I represent. This is one of biggest issues in the electorate that I represent. Those electorate that I represent. Those on electorate that I represent. Those on the electorate that I represent. Those on the opposite electorate that I represent. Those on the opposite side electorate that I represent. Those on the opposite side of electorate that I represent. Those on the opposite side of the electorate that I represent. Those on the opposite side of the house on the opposite side of the house will on the opposite side of the house will find on the opposite side of the house will find every on the opposite side of the house will find every way on the opposite side of the house will find every way to on the opposite side of the house will find every way to oppose on the opposite side of the house will find every way to oppose it on the opposite side of the house will find every way to oppose it and will find every way to oppose it and say will find every way to oppose it and say that will find every way to oppose it and say that the will find every way to oppose it and say that the curriculum will find every way to oppose it and say that the curriculum wasn't will find every way to oppose it and say that the curriculum wasn't right say that the curriculum wasn't right or say that the curriculum wasn't right or whatever say that the curriculum wasn't right or whatever rebuttal say that the curriculum wasn't right or whatever rebuttal that say that the curriculum wasn't right or whatever rebuttal that they say that the curriculum wasn't right or whatever rebuttal that they come or whatever rebuttal that they come up or whatever rebuttal that they come up with. or whatever rebuttal that they come up with. 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It is time to take the politics out of this and find a the politics out of this and find a way the politics out of this and find a way to the politics out of this and find a way to get the politics out of this and find a way to get in the politics out of this and find a way to get in behind the politics out of this and find a way to get in behind it. the politics out of this and find a way to get in behind it. I the politics out of this and find a way to get in behind it. I met the politics out of this and find a way to get in behind it. I met a way to get in behind it. I met a young way to get in behind it. I met a young fellow way to get in behind it. I met a young fellow the way to get in behind it. I met a young fellow the other way to get in behind it. I met a young fellow the other day way to get in behind it. I met a young fellow the other day in way to get in behind it. I met a young fellow the other day in my young fellow the other day in my electorate, young fellow the other day in my electorate, been young fellow the other day in my electorate, been in young fellow the other day in my electorate, been in a young fellow the other day in my electorate, been in a gang young fellow the other day in my electorate, been in a gang all young fellow the other day in my electorate, been in a gang all his electorate, been in a gang all his life. electorate, been in a gang all his life. He electorate, been in a gang all his life. He left electorate, been in a gang all his life. He left school electorate, been in a gang all his life. He left school at electorate, been in a gang all his life. He left school at 12. electorate, been in a gang all his life. He left school at 12. He life. He left school at 12. He couldn't life. He left school at 12. He couldn't read life. He left school at 12. He couldn't read or life. He left school at 12. 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It he could get his driver's licence. It was he could get his driver's licence. It was the he could get his driver's licence. It was the proudest he could get his driver's licence. It was the proudest thing he could get his driver's licence. It was the proudest thing he'd he could get his driver's licence. It was the proudest thing he'd ever It was the proudest thing he'd ever done. It was the proudest thing he'd ever done. Finally It was the proudest thing he'd ever done. Finally he It was the proudest thing he'd ever done. Finally he achieved It was the proudest thing he'd ever done. Finally he achieved something, done. Finally he achieved something, and done. Finally he achieved something, and now done. Finally he achieved something, and now he done. Finally he achieved something, and now he looked done. Finally he achieved something, and now he looked in done. Finally he achieved something, and now he looked in the done. 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I repeat - it's self-esteem and mana restored. I repeat - it's the self-esteem and mana restored. I repeat - it's the game self-esteem and mana restored. I repeat - it's the game changer. self-esteem and mana restored. I repeat - it's the game changer. It's repeat - it's the game changer. It's how repeat - it's the game changer. It's how people repeat - it's the game changer. It's how people get repeat - it's the game changer. It's how people get a repeat - it's the game changer. It's how people get a job. repeat - it's the game changer. It's how people get a job. It's repeat - it's the game changer. It's how people get a job. It's how repeat - it's the game changer. It's how people get a job. It's how they how people get a job. It's how they make how people get a job. It's how they make a how people get a job. It's how they make a contribution how people get a job. It's how they make a contribution to how people get a job. It's how they make a contribution to society how people get a job. It's how they make a contribution to society and make a contribution to society and the make a contribution to society and the community make a contribution to society and the community that make a contribution to society and the community that they make a contribution to society and the community that they live make a contribution to society and the community that they live in, make a contribution to society and the community that they live in, and the community that they live in, and it's the community that they live in, and it's leadership the community that they live in, and it's leadership for the community that they live in, and it's leadership for change. the community that they live in, and it's leadership for change. It's it's leadership for change. It's time it's leadership for change. It's time to it's leadership for change. It's time to get it's leadership for change. It's time to get New it's leadership for change. It's time to get New Zealand it's leadership for change. It's time to get New Zealand back it's leadership for change. It's time to get New Zealand back on time to get New Zealand back on track. time to get New Zealand back on track. We're time to get New Zealand back on track. We're at time to get New Zealand back on track. We're at a time to get New Zealand back on track. We're at a very time to get New Zealand back on track. We're at a very challenging track. We're at a very challenging period track. We're at a very challenging period of track. We're at a very challenging period of New track. We're at a very challenging period of New Zealand's track. We're at a very challenging period of New Zealand's modern period of New Zealand's modern history. period of New Zealand's modern history. Our period of New Zealand's modern history. Our country period of New Zealand's modern history. 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Well, tell that to the parents and friends tell that to the parents and friends and tell that to the parents and friends and family tell that to the parents and friends and family of tell that to the parents and friends and family of people tell that to the parents and friends and family of people who tell that to the parents and friends and family of people who died and family of people who died because and family of people who died because people and family of people who died because people took and family of people who died because people took drugs and family of people who died because people took drugs and and family of people who died because people took drugs and drove because people took drugs and drove their because people took drugs and drove their vehicles. because people took drugs and drove their vehicles. I because people took drugs and drove their vehicles. I just because people took drugs and drove their vehicles. I just can't because people took drugs and drove their vehicles. I just can't let their vehicles. I just can't let that their vehicles. I just can't let that go, their vehicles. I just can't let that go, Mr their vehicles. I just can't let that go, Mr Speaker. their vehicles. I just can't let that go, Mr Speaker. Any their vehicles. I just can't let that go, Mr Speaker. Any death their vehicles. I just can't let that go, Mr Speaker. Any death in their vehicles. I just can't let that go, Mr Speaker. Any death in my that go, Mr Speaker. Any death in my book that go, Mr Speaker. Any death in my book is that go, Mr Speaker. Any death in my book is one that go, Mr Speaker. Any death in my book is one too that go, Mr Speaker. Any death in my book is one too many. that go, Mr Speaker. Any death in my book is one too many. Just that go, Mr Speaker. Any death in my book is one too many. Just another book is one too many. Just another example, book is one too many. Just another example, I book is one too many. Just another example, I think book is one too many. Just another example, I think of book is one too many. Just another example, I think of the book is one too many. 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We cannot gamble with after time from that side of the House. We cannot gamble with the House. We cannot gamble with the education House. We cannot gamble with the education of House. We cannot gamble with the education of our House. We cannot gamble with the education of our children House. We cannot gamble with the education of our children in House. 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I would challenge any member of this House challenge any member of this House to challenge any member of this House to tell challenge any member of this House to tell me challenge any member of this House to tell me which challenge any member of this House to tell me which community challenge any member of this House to tell me which community mental to tell me which community mental health to tell me which community mental health group to tell me which community mental health group has to tell me which community mental health group has a to tell me which community mental health group has a spare to tell me which community mental health group has a spare $250,000 health group has a spare $250,000 kicking health group has a spare $250,000 kicking around health group has a spare $250,000 kicking around in health group has a spare $250,000 kicking around in their health group has a spare $250,000 kicking around in their bank kicking around in their bank account, kicking around in their bank account, or kicking around in their bank account, or if kicking around in their bank account, or if they kicking around in their bank account, or if they did, kicking around in their bank account, or if they did, that kicking around in their bank account, or if they did, that this account, or if they did, that this would account, or if they did, that this would not account, or if they did, that this would not be account, or if they did, that this would not be taken account, or if they did, that this would not be taken back account, or if they did, that this would not be taken back by account, or if they did, that this would not be taken back by this would not be taken back by this Government, would not be taken back by this Government, as would not be taken back by this Government, as we would not be taken back by this Government, as we heard would not be taken back by this Government, as we heard in would not be taken back by this Government, as we heard in question Government, as we heard in question time Government, as we heard in question time today. 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We will continue to carry your mental health continue to carry your mental health message continue to carry your mental health message and continue to carry your mental health message and we continue to carry your mental health message and we will continue to carry your mental health message and we will continue continue to carry your mental health message and we will continue always message and we will continue always to message and we will continue always to listen message and we will continue always to listen to message and we will continue always to listen to your message and we will continue always to listen to your music. 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And so when I hear that a democratic society. And so when I hear that a councillor democratic society. And so when I hear that a councillor in democratic society. And so when I hear that a councillor in New hear that a councillor in New Plymouth hear that a councillor in New Plymouth by hear that a councillor in New Plymouth by the hear that a councillor in New Plymouth by the name hear that a councillor in New Plymouth by the name of hear that a councillor in New Plymouth by the name of Murray Plymouth by the name of Murray Cheung Plymouth by the name of Murray Cheung is Plymouth by the name of Murray Cheung is on Plymouth by the name of Murray Cheung is on the Plymouth by the name of Murray Cheung is on the radio Plymouth by the name of Murray Cheung is on the radio saying Plymouth by the name of Murray Cheung is on the radio saying that Cheung is on the radio saying that he Cheung is on the radio saying that he has Cheung is on the radio saying that he has had Cheung is on the radio saying that he has had to Cheung is on the radio saying that he has had to change Cheung is on the radio saying that he has had to change his Cheung is on the radio saying that he has had to change his vote Cheung is on the radio saying that he has had to change his vote on Cheung is on the radio saying that he has had to change his vote on a he has had to change his vote on a matter he has had to change his vote on a matter he he has had to change his vote on a matter he believes he has had to change his vote on a matter he believes important he has had to change his vote on a matter he believes important because matter he believes important because he's matter he believes important because he's being matter he believes important because he's being intimidated, matter he believes important because he's being intimidated, he's matter he believes important because he's being intimidated, he's having he's being intimidated, he's having people he's being intimidated, he's having people firing he's being intimidated, he's having people firing air he's being intimidated, he's having people firing air rifles he's being intimidated, he's having people firing air rifles at he's being intimidated, he's having people firing air rifles at the he's being intimidated, he's having people firing air rifles at the car people firing air rifles at the car outside people firing air rifles at the car outside his people firing air rifles at the car outside his house, people firing air rifles at the car outside his house, he's people firing air rifles at the car outside his house, he's told people firing air rifles at the car outside his house, he's told that people firing air rifles at the car outside his house, he's told that he outside his house, he's told that he can't outside his house, he's told that he can't walk outside his house, he's told that he can't walk at outside his house, he's told that he can't walk at night outside his house, he's told that he can't walk at night because outside his house, he's told that he can't walk at night because he outside his house, he's told that he can't walk at night because he will can't walk at night because he will be can't walk at night because he will be king-hit can't walk at night because he will be king-hit and can't walk at night because he will be king-hit and "wake can't walk at night because he will be king-hit and "wake up can't walk at night because he will be king-hit and "wake up in be king-hit and "wake up in hospital", be king-hit and "wake up in hospital", that be king-hit and "wake up in hospital", that goes be king-hit and "wake up in hospital", that goes actually be king-hit and "wake up in hospital", that goes actually not hospital", that goes actually not just hospital", that goes actually not just to hospital", that goes actually not just to the hospital", that goes actually not just to the heart hospital", that goes actually not just to the heart of hospital", that goes actually not just to the heart of New hospital", that goes actually not just to the heart of New Plymouth hospital", that goes actually not just to the heart of New Plymouth or just to the heart of New Plymouth or Murray, just to the heart of New Plymouth or Murray, but just to the heart of New Plymouth or Murray, but to just to the heart of New Plymouth or Murray, but to every just to the heart of New Plymouth or Murray, but to every single just to the heart of New Plymouth or Murray, but to every single New Murray, but to every single New Zealander Murray, but to every single New Zealander who's Murray, but to every single New Zealander who's grown Murray, but to every single New Zealander who's grown up Murray, but to every single New Zealander who's grown up in Murray, but to every single New Zealander who's grown up in this Zealander who's grown up in this country Zealander who's grown up in this country and Zealander who's grown up in this country and inherited Zealander who's grown up in this country and inherited that Zealander who's grown up in this country and inherited that basic country and inherited that basic right country and inherited that basic right to country and inherited that basic right to be country and inherited that basic right to be able country and inherited that basic right to be able to country and inherited that basic right to be able to choose country and inherited that basic right to be able to choose a right to be able to choose a representative right to be able to choose a representative to right to be able to choose a representative to participate right to be able to choose a representative to participate and representative to participate and express representative to participate and express their representative to participate and express their views representative to participate and express their views in representative to participate and express their views in public express their views in public affairs express their views in public affairs without express their views in public affairs without being express their views in public affairs without being intimidated express their views in public affairs without being intimidated or affairs without being intimidated or threatened affairs without being intimidated or threatened or affairs without being intimidated or threatened or talked affairs without being intimidated or threatened or talked down affairs without being intimidated or threatened or talked down like threatened or talked down like somebody threatened or talked down like somebody might threatened or talked down like somebody might if threatened or talked down like somebody might if they threatened or talked down like somebody might if they tried threatened or talked down like somebody might if they tried to somebody might if they tried to contest somebody might if they tried to contest an somebody might if they tried to contest an election somebody might if they tried to contest an election in somebody might if they tried to contest an election in Moscow somebody might if they tried to contest an election in Moscow or contest an election in Moscow or Pyongyang. contest an election in Moscow or Pyongyang. And contest an election in Moscow or Pyongyang. And that contest an election in Moscow or Pyongyang. And that is contest an election in Moscow or Pyongyang. And that is why contest an election in Moscow or Pyongyang. And that is why the contest an election in Moscow or Pyongyang. And that is why the ACT Pyongyang. And that is why the ACT Party Pyongyang. And that is why the ACT Party is Pyongyang. And that is why the ACT Party is calling Pyongyang. And that is why the ACT Party is calling on Pyongyang. And that is why the ACT Party is calling on every Pyongyang. And that is why the ACT Party is calling on every single Party is calling on every single political Party is calling on every single political party Party is calling on every single political party in Party is calling on every single political party in this Party is calling on every single political party in this House Party is calling on every single political party in this House to political party in this House to condemn political party in this House to condemn the political party in this House to condemn the threats political party in this House to condemn the threats of political party in this House to condemn the threats of political condemn the threats of political violence condemn the threats of political violence against condemn the threats of political violence against Murray condemn the threats of political violence against Murray Chong, condemn the threats of political violence against Murray Chong, to violence against Murray Chong, to agree violence against Murray Chong, to agree that violence against Murray Chong, to agree that while violence against Murray Chong, to agree that while we violence against Murray Chong, to agree that while we may violence against Murray Chong, to agree that while we may differ violence against Murray Chong, to agree that while we may differ on agree that while we may differ on the agree that while we may differ on the question agree that while we may differ on the question of agree that while we may differ on the question of Maori agree that while we may differ on the question of Maori wards agree that while we may differ on the question of Maori wards - agree that while we may differ on the question of Maori wards - and the question of Maori wards - and this the question of Maori wards - and this Government the question of Maori wards - and this Government certainly the question of Maori wards - and this Government certainly has the question of Maori wards - and this Government certainly has a the question of Maori wards - and this Government certainly has a view this Government certainly has a view - this Government certainly has a view - that this Government certainly has a view - that it this Government certainly has a view - that it is this Government certainly has a view - that it is absolutely this Government certainly has a view - that it is absolutely wrong this Government certainly has a view - that it is absolutely wrong that - that it is absolutely wrong that anybody - that it is absolutely wrong that anybody in - that it is absolutely wrong that anybody in an - that it is absolutely wrong that anybody in an elected - that it is absolutely wrong that anybody in an elected office - that it is absolutely wrong that anybody in an elected office should anybody in an elected office should ever anybody in an elected office should ever be anybody in an elected office should ever be threatened anybody in an elected office should ever be threatened with anybody in an elected office should ever be threatened with violence anybody in an elected office should ever be threatened with violence and ever be threatened with violence and a ever be threatened with violence and a sanction ever be threatened with violence and a sanction of ever be threatened with violence and a sanction of changing ever be threatened with violence and a sanction of changing the ever be threatened with violence and a sanction of changing the political a sanction of changing the political views. a sanction of changing the political views. They a sanction of changing the political views. They should a sanction of changing the political views. They should be a sanction of changing the political views. They should be able a sanction of changing the political views. They should be able to views. They should be able to express views. They should be able to express the views. They should be able to express the views views. They should be able to express the views of views. They should be able to express the views of the views. They should be able to express the views of the people views. They should be able to express the views of the people who express the views of the people who elect express the views of the people who elect them express the views of the people who elect them without express the views of the people who elect them without fear express the views of the people who elect them without fear or express the views of the people who elect them without fear or favour express the views of the people who elect them without fear or favour or elect them without fear or favour or concern elect them without fear or favour or concern for elect them without fear or favour or concern for their elect them without fear or favour or concern for their physical elect them without fear or favour or concern for their physical safety. concern for their physical safety. And concern for their physical safety. And if concern for their physical safety. And if there's concern for their physical safety. And if there's anyone concern for their physical safety. And if there's anyone in concern for their physical safety. And if there's anyone in this concern for their physical safety. And if there's anyone in this House And if there's anyone in this House ho And if there's anyone in this House ho doesn't And if there's anyone in this House ho doesn't believe And if there's anyone in this House ho doesn't believe that, And if there's anyone in this House ho doesn't believe that, then And if there's anyone in this House ho doesn't believe that, then they ho doesn't believe that, then they ought ho doesn't believe that, then they ought to ho doesn't believe that, then they ought to ask ho doesn't believe that, then they ought to ask themselves ho doesn't believe that, then they ought to ask themselves what ho doesn't believe that, then they ought to ask themselves what exactly ought to ask themselves what exactly it ought to ask themselves what exactly it is ought to ask themselves what exactly it is that ought to ask themselves what exactly it is that they're ought to ask themselves what exactly it is that they're doing ought to ask themselves what exactly it is that they're doing here, ought to ask themselves what exactly it is that they're doing here, or it is that they're doing here, or why it is that they're doing here, or why it it is that they're doing here, or why it is it is that they're doing here, or why it is that it is that they're doing here, or why it is that perhaps it is that they're doing here, or why it is that perhaps their it is that they're doing here, or why it is that perhaps their own why it is that perhaps their own arguments why it is that perhaps their own arguments are why it is that perhaps their own arguments are so why it is that perhaps their own arguments are so feeble why it is that perhaps their own arguments are so feeble that why it is that perhaps their own arguments are so feeble that they arguments are so feeble that they cannot arguments are so feeble that they cannot win arguments are so feeble that they cannot win them arguments are so feeble that they cannot win them in arguments are so feeble that they cannot win them in an arguments are so feeble that they cannot win them in an intellectual cannot win them in an intellectual contest cannot win them in an intellectual contest but cannot win them in an intellectual contest but would cannot win them in an intellectual contest but would seek cannot win them in an intellectual contest but would seek to cannot win them in an intellectual contest but would seek to win cannot win them in an intellectual contest but would seek to win them contest but would seek to win them in contest but would seek to win them in some contest but would seek to win them in some other contest but would seek to win them in some other type contest but would seek to win them in some other type of contest but would seek to win them in some other type of contest? contest but would seek to win them in some other type of contest? Mr in some other type of contest? Mr Speaker, in some other type of contest? Mr Speaker, I in some other type of contest? Mr Speaker, I have in some other type of contest? Mr Speaker, I have been in some other type of contest? Mr Speaker, I have been disappointed in some other type of contest? Mr Speaker, I have been disappointed at Speaker, I have been disappointed at how Speaker, I have been disappointed at how little Speaker, I have been disappointed at how little response Speaker, I have been disappointed at how little response there's Speaker, I have been disappointed at how little response there's been how little response there's been from how little response there's been from other how little response there's been from other party how little response there's been from other party leaders. how little response there's been from other party leaders. We've from other party leaders. We've heard from other party leaders. We've heard a from other party leaders. We've heard a lot from other party leaders. We've heard a lot today from other party leaders. We've heard a lot today about from other party leaders. We've heard a lot today about invitations. heard a lot today about invitations. We've heard a lot today about invitations. We've heard heard a lot today about invitations. We've heard a heard a lot today about invitations. We've heard a quiz heard a lot today about invitations. We've heard a quiz on heard a lot today about invitations. We've heard a quiz on the heard a lot today about invitations. We've heard a quiz on the treaty. We've heard a quiz on the treaty. We've We've heard a quiz on the treaty. We've had We've heard a quiz on the treaty. We've had questions We've heard a quiz on the treaty. We've had questions about We've heard a quiz on the treaty. We've had questions about what We've heard a quiz on the treaty. We've had questions about what the We've had questions about what the Government We've had questions about what the Government is We've had questions about what the Government is doing We've had questions about what the Government is doing about We've had questions about what the Government is doing about a Government is doing about a 4,000-year-old Government is doing about a 4,000-year-old conflict Government is doing about a 4,000-year-old conflict on Government is doing about a 4,000-year-old conflict on the Government is doing about a 4,000-year-old conflict on the other 4,000-year-old conflict on the other side 4,000-year-old conflict on the other side of 4,000-year-old conflict on the other side of the 4,000-year-old conflict on the other side of the world. 4,000-year-old conflict on the other side of the world. But 4,000-year-old conflict on the other side of the world. But I 4,000-year-old conflict on the other side of the world. But I haven't side of the world. But I haven't heard side of the world. But I haven't heard from side of the world. But I haven't heard from the side of the world. But I haven't heard from the opposition side of the world. But I haven't heard from the opposition parties heard from the opposition parties condemnation heard from the opposition parties condemnation of heard from the opposition parties condemnation of political heard from the opposition parties condemnation of political violence condemnation of political violence against condemnation of political violence against an condemnation of political violence against an elected condemnation of political violence against an elected councillor condemnation of political violence against an elected councillor in condemnation of political violence against an elected councillor in New against an elected councillor in New Plymouth. against an elected councillor in New Plymouth. Mr against an elected councillor in New Plymouth. Mr Speaker, against an elected councillor in New Plymouth. Mr Speaker, Murray against an elected councillor in New Plymouth. Mr Speaker, Murray Chong Plymouth. Mr Speaker, Murray Chong might Plymouth. Mr Speaker, Murray Chong might be Plymouth. Mr Speaker, Murray Chong might be an Plymouth. Mr Speaker, Murray Chong might be an eccentric Plymouth. Mr Speaker, Murray Chong might be an eccentric character, Plymouth. Mr Speaker, Murray Chong might be an eccentric character, he might be an eccentric character, he might might be an eccentric character, he might not might be an eccentric character, he might not be might be an eccentric character, he might not be the might be an eccentric character, he might not be the person might be an eccentric character, he might not be the person that might be an eccentric character, he might not be the person that you might be an eccentric character, he might not be the person that you or might not be the person that you or I might not be the person that you or I would might not be the person that you or I would vote might not be the person that you or I would vote for, might not be the person that you or I would vote for, should might not be the person that you or I would vote for, should we might not be the person that you or I would vote for, should we live might not be the person that you or I would vote for, should we live in I would vote for, should we live in New I would vote for, should we live in New Plymouth. I would vote for, should we live in New Plymouth. But I would vote for, should we live in New Plymouth. But nobody I would vote for, should we live in New Plymouth. But nobody - I would vote for, should we live in New Plymouth. But nobody - including New Plymouth. But nobody - including him New Plymouth. But nobody - including him - New Plymouth. But nobody - including him - deserves New Plymouth. But nobody - including him - deserves to New Plymouth. But nobody - including him - deserves to be New Plymouth. But nobody - including him - deserves to be threatened New Plymouth. But nobody - including him - deserves to be threatened or him - deserves to be threatened or menaced him - deserves to be threatened or menaced with him - deserves to be threatened or menaced with political him - deserves to be threatened or menaced with political violence him - deserves to be threatened or menaced with political violence for menaced with political violence for holding menaced with political violence for holding a menaced with political violence for holding a view menaced with political violence for holding a view that's menaced with political violence for holding a view that's sincerely menaced with political violence for holding a view that's sincerely held holding a view that's sincerely held on holding a view that's sincerely held on behalf holding a view that's sincerely held on behalf of holding a view that's sincerely held on behalf of the holding a view that's sincerely held on behalf of the people holding a view that's sincerely held on behalf of the people who holding a view that's sincerely held on behalf of the people who elected on behalf of the people who elected them. on behalf of the people who elected them. They on behalf of the people who elected them. They have on behalf of the people who elected them. They have the on behalf of the people who elected them. They have the right on behalf of the people who elected them. They have the right and on behalf of the people who elected them. They have the right and the them. They have the right and the duty them. They have the right and the duty to them. They have the right and the duty to express them. They have the right and the duty to express those them. They have the right and the duty to express those views them. They have the right and the duty to express those views on duty to express those views on behalf duty to express those views on behalf of duty to express those views on behalf of the duty to express those views on behalf of the voters, duty to express those views on behalf of the voters, an duty to express those views on behalf of the voters, an order duty to express those views on behalf of the voters, an order from behalf of the voters, an order from that behalf of the voters, an order from that democratic behalf of the voters, an order from that democratic inheritance behalf of the voters, an order from that democratic inheritance from that democratic inheritance from which that democratic inheritance from which we've that democratic inheritance from which we've all that democratic inheritance from which we've all benefited that democratic inheritance from which we've all benefited so that democratic inheritance from which we've all benefited so greatly which we've all benefited so greatly to which we've all benefited so greatly to continue which we've all benefited so greatly to continue and which we've all benefited so greatly to continue and function which we've all benefited so greatly to continue and function and which we've all benefited so greatly to continue and function and work, to continue and function and work, and to continue and function and work, and a to continue and function and work, and a society to continue and function and work, and a society where to continue and function and work, and a society where all to continue and function and work, and a society where all of to continue and function and work, and a society where all of us to continue and function and work, and a society where all of us are and a society where all of us are blessed and a society where all of us are blessed with and a society where all of us are blessed with equal and a society where all of us are blessed with equal rights and a society where all of us are blessed with equal rights and blessed with equal rights and freedom. blessed with equal rights and freedom. Thank blessed with equal rights and freedom. Thank you, blessed with equal rights and freedom. Thank you, Mr blessed with equal rights and freedom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. blessed with equal rights and freedom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. That freedom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. That brings freedom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. That brings to freedom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. That brings to an freedom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. That brings to an end freedom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. That brings to an end the freedom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. That brings to an end the general freedom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. That brings to an end the general debate. brings to an end the general debate. I brings to an end the general debate. I call brings to an end the general debate. I call on brings to an end the general debate. I call on Government brings to an end the general debate. I call on Government Order brings to an end the general debate. I call on Government Order of brings to an end the general debate. I call on Government Order of the I call on Government Order of the Day I call on Government Order of the Day No. I call on Government Order of the Day No. 1. Day No. 1. Regulatory Day No. 1. Regulatory Systems Day No. 1. Regulatory Systems (Education) Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill, Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill, interrupted Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill, interrupted debate Amendment Bill, interrupted debate on Amendment Bill, interrupted debate on third Amendment Bill, interrupted debate on third reading. Amendment Bill, interrupted debate on third reading. I Amendment Bill, interrupted debate on third reading. I call Amendment Bill, interrupted debate on third reading. I call on Amendment Bill, interrupted debate on third reading. I call on Phil on third reading. I call on Phil Twyford. on third reading. I call on Phil Twyford. Thank on third reading. I call on Phil Twyford. Thank you. on third reading. I call on Phil Twyford. Thank you. We on third reading. I call on Phil Twyford. Thank you. We are Twyford. Thank you. We are discussing Twyford. Thank you. We are discussing the Twyford. Thank you. We are discussing the Regulatory Twyford. Thank you. We are discussing the Regulatory Systems discussing the Regulatory Systems (Education) discussing the Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment discussing the Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill discussing the Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill and discussing the Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill and I (Education) Amendment Bill and I wanted (Education) Amendment Bill and I wanted to (Education) Amendment Bill and I wanted to use (Education) Amendment Bill and I wanted to use my (Education) Amendment Bill and I wanted to use my brief (Education) Amendment Bill and I wanted to use my brief contribution wanted to use my brief contribution this wanted to use my brief contribution this afternoon wanted to use my brief contribution this afternoon to wanted to use my brief contribution this afternoon to comment wanted to use my brief contribution this afternoon to comment on wanted to use my brief contribution this afternoon to comment on the this afternoon to comment on the part this afternoon to comment on the part of this afternoon to comment on the part of the this afternoon to comment on the part of the bill this afternoon to comment on the part of the bill that this afternoon to comment on the part of the bill that makes this afternoon to comment on the part of the bill that makes some part of the bill that makes some changes part of the bill that makes some changes to part of the bill that makes some changes to the part of the bill that makes some changes to the provisions part of the bill that makes some changes to the provisions that changes to the provisions that govern changes to the provisions that govern the changes to the provisions that govern the Pacific changes to the provisions that govern the Pacific Education govern the Pacific Education Foundation, govern the Pacific Education Foundation, and govern the Pacific Education Foundation, and this govern the Pacific Education Foundation, and this bill govern the Pacific Education Foundation, and this bill amends govern the Pacific Education Foundation, and this bill amends the Foundation, and this bill amends the Act, Foundation, and this bill amends the Act, which Foundation, and this bill amends the Act, which was Foundation, and this bill amends the Act, which was passed Foundation, and this bill amends the Act, which was passed originally Foundation, and this bill amends the Act, which was passed originally in Act, which was passed originally in 1972. Act, which was passed originally in 1972. The Act, which was passed originally in 1972. The Board Act, which was passed originally in 1972. The Board of Act, which was passed originally in 1972. The Board of the Act, which was passed originally in 1972. The Board of the Pacific 1972. The Board of the Pacific Education 1972. The Board of the Pacific Education Foundation 1972. The Board of the Pacific Education Foundation administers Education Foundation administers various Education Foundation administers various kinds Education Foundation administers various kinds of Education Foundation administers various kinds of support Education Foundation administers various kinds of support and various kinds of support and scholarships various kinds of support and scholarships and various kinds of support and scholarships and grants various kinds of support and scholarships and grants for various kinds of support and scholarships and grants for Pacific scholarships and grants for Pacific peoples, scholarships and grants for Pacific peoples, including scholarships and grants for Pacific peoples, including the scholarships and grants for Pacific peoples, including the Takes scholarships and grants for Pacific peoples, including the Takes Flight peoples, including the Takes Flight Scholarships peoples, including the Takes Flight Scholarships as peoples, including the Takes Flight Scholarships as part peoples, including the Takes Flight Scholarships as part of peoples, including the Takes Flight Scholarships as part of the Scholarships as part of the Government's Scholarships as part of the Government's Goodwill Scholarships as part of the Government's Goodwill Package, Scholarships as part of the Government's Goodwill Package, the Government's Goodwill Package, the former Government's Goodwill Package, the former Labour Government's Goodwill Package, the former Labour Government's Government's Goodwill Package, the former Labour Government's package, former Labour Government's package, set former Labour Government's package, set up former Labour Government's package, set up in former Labour Government's package, set up in response former Labour Government's package, set up in response to former Labour Government's package, set up in response to the former Labour Government's package, set up in response to the dawn set up in response to the dawn raids. set up in response to the dawn raids. The set up in response to the dawn raids. The reason set up in response to the dawn raids. The reason I set up in response to the dawn raids. The reason I want set up in response to the dawn raids. The reason I want to set up in response to the dawn raids. The reason I want to comment raids. The reason I want to comment on raids. The reason I want to comment on this raids. The reason I want to comment on this is raids. The reason I want to comment on this is that raids. The reason I want to comment on this is that it raids. The reason I want to comment on this is that it sparked raids. The reason I want to comment on this is that it sparked my on this is that it sparked my interest, on this is that it sparked my interest, Madam on this is that it sparked my interest, Madam Speaker, on this is that it sparked my interest, Madam Speaker, because on this is that it sparked my interest, Madam Speaker, because one interest, Madam Speaker, because one of interest, Madam Speaker, because one of the interest, Madam Speaker, because one of the provisions interest, Madam Speaker, because one of the provisions here interest, Madam Speaker, because one of the provisions here changes interest, Madam Speaker, because one of the provisions here changes the of the provisions here changes the definition of the provisions here changes the definition of of the provisions here changes the definition of a of the provisions here changes the definition of a "Pacific of the provisions here changes the definition of a "Pacific person" of the provisions here changes the definition of a "Pacific person" and definition of a "Pacific person" and replaces definition of a "Pacific person" and replaces it definition of a "Pacific person" and replaces it with definition of a "Pacific person" and replaces it with a definition of a "Pacific person" and replaces it with a new definition of a "Pacific person" and replaces it with a new definition replaces it with a new definition for replaces it with a new definition for an replaces it with a new definition for an "Aotearoa replaces it with a new definition for an "Aotearoa Pacific replaces it with a new definition for an "Aotearoa Pacific person". for an "Aotearoa Pacific person". And for an "Aotearoa Pacific person". And the for an "Aotearoa Pacific person". And the intention for an "Aotearoa Pacific person". And the intention here for an "Aotearoa Pacific person". And the intention here is for an "Aotearoa Pacific person". And the intention here is to for an "Aotearoa Pacific person". And the intention here is to ensure And the intention here is to ensure that And the intention here is to ensure that the And the intention here is to ensure that the definition And the intention here is to ensure that the definition of And the intention here is to ensure that the definition of people And the intention here is to ensure that the definition of people who that the definition of people who are that the definition of people who are selected that the definition of people who are selected for that the definition of people who are selected for the that the definition of people who are selected for the Board that the definition of people who are selected for the Board of that the definition of people who are selected for the Board of the are selected for the Board of the Pacific are selected for the Board of the Pacific Education are selected for the Board of the Pacific Education Foundation are selected for the Board of the Pacific Education Foundation reflect Pacific Education Foundation reflect the Pacific Education Foundation reflect the new, Pacific Education Foundation reflect the new, kind Pacific Education Foundation reflect the new, kind of, Pacific Education Foundation reflect the new, kind of, diverse Pacific Education Foundation reflect the new, kind of, diverse reality Pacific Education Foundation reflect the new, kind of, diverse reality of the new, kind of, diverse reality of New the new, kind of, diverse reality of New Zealand the new, kind of, diverse reality of New Zealand and the new, kind of, diverse reality of New Zealand and our the new, kind of, diverse reality of New Zealand and our cities. the new, kind of, diverse reality of New Zealand and our cities. 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And the Fiji Indians are all the sons and daughters of the all the sons and daughters of the Gurmuts all the sons and daughters of the Gurmuts - all the sons and daughters of the Gurmuts - that all the sons and daughters of the Gurmuts - that is, all the sons and daughters of the Gurmuts - that is, people all the sons and daughters of the Gurmuts - that is, people who all the sons and daughters of the Gurmuts - that is, people who were Gurmuts - that is, people who were indentured Gurmuts - that is, people who were indentured labourers Gurmuts - that is, people who were indentured labourers in Gurmuts - that is, people who were indentured labourers in the Gurmuts - that is, people who were indentured labourers in the 1800s. indentured labourers in the 1800s. In indentured labourers in the 1800s. In fact, indentured labourers in the 1800s. In fact, 145 indentured labourers in the 1800s. In fact, 145 years indentured labourers in the 1800s. 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The that we would associate with modern times. The Fijian that we would associate with modern times. The Fijian Indian that we would associate with modern times. The Fijian Indian community times. The Fijian Indian community believes, times. The Fijian Indian community believes, many times. The Fijian Indian community believes, many of times. The Fijian Indian community believes, many of those times. The Fijian Indian community believes, many of those people, times. The Fijian Indian community believes, many of those people, that believes, many of those people, that they believes, many of those people, that they are believes, many of those people, that they are Pacific believes, many of those people, that they are Pacific people. believes, many of those people, that they are Pacific people. They believes, many of those people, that they are Pacific people. They have they are Pacific people. They have lived, they are Pacific people. They have lived, generation they are Pacific people. They have lived, generation after they are Pacific people. They have lived, generation after generation, lived, generation after generation, in lived, generation after generation, in the lived, generation after generation, in the Pacific, lived, generation after generation, in the Pacific, in lived, generation after generation, in the Pacific, in Fiji. lived, generation after generation, in the Pacific, in Fiji. They lived, generation after generation, in the Pacific, in Fiji. They shaped in the Pacific, in Fiji. They shaped and in the Pacific, in Fiji. They shaped and developed in the Pacific, in Fiji. They shaped and developed the in the Pacific, in Fiji. They shaped and developed the country in the Pacific, in Fiji. They shaped and developed the country that in the Pacific, in Fiji. They shaped and developed the country that Fiji and developed the country that Fiji is and developed the country that Fiji is today. and developed the country that Fiji is today. And and developed the country that Fiji is today. And many and developed the country that Fiji is today. And many of and developed the country that Fiji is today. And many of them, and developed the country that Fiji is today. And many of them, and is today. And many of them, and their is today. And many of them, and their offspring, is today. And many of them, and their offspring, have is today. And many of them, and their offspring, have subsequently their offspring, have subsequently made their offspring, have subsequently made new their offspring, have subsequently made new lives their offspring, have subsequently made new lives in their offspring, have subsequently made new lives in New their offspring, have subsequently made new lives in New Zealand their offspring, have subsequently made new lives in New Zealand and made new lives in New Zealand and are made new lives in New Zealand and are making made new lives in New Zealand and are making a made new lives in New Zealand and are making a fantastic made new lives in New Zealand and are making a fantastic contribution are making a fantastic contribution to are making a fantastic contribution to this are making a fantastic contribution to this country. are making a fantastic contribution to this country. And are making a fantastic contribution to this country. And they are making a fantastic contribution to this country. And they now are making a fantastic contribution to this country. And they now mark to this country. And they now mark Gurmut to this country. And they now mark Gurmut Day to this country. And they now mark Gurmut Day every to this country. And they now mark Gurmut Day every 14 to this country. And they now mark Gurmut Day every 14 May to this country. And they now mark Gurmut Day every 14 May and to this country. And they now mark Gurmut Day every 14 May and they Gurmut Day every 14 May and they have Gurmut Day every 14 May and they have reclaimed Gurmut Day every 14 May and they have reclaimed and Gurmut Day every 14 May and they have reclaimed and celebrate Gurmut Day every 14 May and they have reclaimed and celebrate that have reclaimed and celebrate that identity have reclaimed and celebrate that identity as have reclaimed and celebrate that identity as "Gurmutures". have reclaimed and celebrate that identity as "Gurmutures". The have reclaimed and celebrate that identity as "Gurmutures". The people identity as "Gurmutures". The people of identity as "Gurmutures". The people of the identity as "Gurmutures". The people of the Gurmut identity as "Gurmutures". The people of the Gurmut - identity as "Gurmutures". The people of the Gurmut - it's identity as "Gurmutures". The people of the Gurmut - it's a of the Gurmut - it's a transliteration of the Gurmut - it's a transliteration from of the Gurmut - it's a transliteration from that of the Gurmut - it's a transliteration from that time of the Gurmut - it's a transliteration from that time of transliteration from that time of the transliteration from that time of the English transliteration from that time of the English word transliteration from that time of the English word "agreement". transliteration from that time of the English word "agreement". And transliteration from that time of the English word "agreement". And so the English word "agreement". And so they the English word "agreement". And so they feel the English word "agreement". And so they feel strongly the English word "agreement". And so they feel strongly that the English word "agreement". And so they feel strongly that they the English word "agreement". And so they feel strongly that they should they feel strongly that they should be they feel strongly that they should be recognised they feel strongly that they should be recognised as they feel strongly that they should be recognised as a they feel strongly that they should be recognised as a people they feel strongly that they should be recognised as a people with they feel strongly that they should be recognised as a people with a be recognised as a people with a distinctive be recognised as a people with a distinctive historical be recognised as a people with a distinctive historical experience distinctive historical experience and distinctive historical experience and cultural distinctive historical experience and cultural identity distinctive historical experience and cultural identity that distinctive historical experience and cultural identity that places and cultural identity that places them and cultural identity that places them in and cultural identity that places them in the and cultural identity that places them in the Pacific. and cultural identity that places them in the Pacific. And and cultural identity that places them in the Pacific. And yet and cultural identity that places them in the Pacific. And yet they them in the Pacific. And yet they are them in the Pacific. And yet they are not. them in the Pacific. And yet they are not. They them in the Pacific. And yet they are not. They are them in the Pacific. And yet they are not. They are not them in the Pacific. And yet they are not. They are not recognised are not. They are not recognised that are not. They are not recognised that way. that way. <BELL RUNG> <BELL RUNG> By <BELL RUNG> By numerous <BELL RUNG> By numerous different <BELL RUNG> By numerous different Government By numerous different Government agencies. By numerous different Government agencies. And By numerous different Government agencies. And in By numerous different Government agencies. And in raising By numerous different Government agencies. And in raising this, By numerous different Government agencies. And in raising this, I'm agencies. And in raising this, I'm not agencies. And in raising this, I'm not having agencies. And in raising this, I'm not having a agencies. And in raising this, I'm not having a crack agencies. And in raising this, I'm not having a crack at agencies. And in raising this, I'm not having a crack at the agencies. And in raising this, I'm not having a crack at the Pacific not having a crack at the Pacific Education not having a crack at the Pacific Education Foundation. not having a crack at the Pacific Education Foundation. Labour not having a crack at the Pacific Education Foundation. Labour is Education Foundation. Labour is supporting Education Foundation. Labour is supporting this Education Foundation. Labour is supporting this bill, Education Foundation. Labour is supporting this bill, which Education Foundation. Labour is supporting this bill, which tidies supporting this bill, which tidies up supporting this bill, which tidies up various supporting this bill, which tidies up various regulations. supporting this bill, which tidies up various regulations. But supporting this bill, which tidies up various regulations. But I supporting this bill, which tidies up various regulations. But I do up various regulations. But I do think up various regulations. But I do think it's up various regulations. But I do think it's important up various regulations. But I do think it's important that, up various regulations. But I do think it's important that, as up various regulations. But I do think it's important that, as a think it's important that, as a country think it's important that, as a country and think it's important that, as a country and as think it's important that, as a country and as law-makers, think it's important that, as a country and as law-makers, we think it's important that, as a country and as law-makers, we listen country and as law-makers, we listen to country and as law-makers, we listen to and country and as law-makers, we listen to and consider country and as law-makers, we listen to and consider the country and as law-makers, we listen to and consider the arguments country and as law-makers, we listen to and consider the arguments being to and consider the arguments being put to and consider the arguments being put forward to and consider the arguments being put forward by to and consider the arguments being put forward by the to and consider the arguments being put forward by the Fijian to and consider the arguments being put forward by the Fijian Indian put forward by the Fijian Indian community put forward by the Fijian Indian community that put forward by the Fijian Indian community that they put forward by the Fijian Indian community that they should put forward by the Fijian Indian community that they should be community that they should be recognised community that they should be recognised as community that they should be recognised as Pacific community that they should be recognised as Pacific people. community that they should be recognised as Pacific people. So, recognised as Pacific people. So, for recognised as Pacific people. So, for nearly recognised as Pacific people. So, for nearly 150 recognised as Pacific people. So, for nearly 150 years, recognised as Pacific people. So, for nearly 150 years, they recognised as Pacific people. So, for nearly 150 years, they have recognised as Pacific people. So, for nearly 150 years, they have been for nearly 150 years, they have been in for nearly 150 years, they have been in this for nearly 150 years, they have been in this region for nearly 150 years, they have been in this region - for nearly 150 years, they have been in this region - that for nearly 150 years, they have been in this region - that is for nearly 150 years, they have been in this region - that is the in this region - that is the historical in this region - that is the historical experience in this region - that is the historical experience that in this region - that is the historical experience that shaped historical experience that shaped them. historical experience that shaped them. They historical experience that shaped them. They are historical experience that shaped them. They are just historical experience that shaped them. They are just as historical experience that shaped them. They are just as much historical experience that shaped them. They are just as much Pacific them. They are just as much Pacific people them. They are just as much Pacific people as them. They are just as much Pacific people as - them. They are just as much Pacific people as - and them. They are just as much Pacific people as - and are them. They are just as much Pacific people as - and are not them. They are just as much Pacific people as - and are not people them. They are just as much Pacific people as - and are not people of people as - and are not people of India people as - and are not people of India anymore, people as - and are not people of India anymore, just people as - and are not people of India anymore, just as people as - and are not people of India anymore, just as Pakeha people as - and are not people of India anymore, just as Pakeha people India anymore, just as Pakeha people in India anymore, just as Pakeha people in New India anymore, just as Pakeha people in New Zealand, India anymore, just as Pakeha people in New Zealand, who India anymore, just as Pakeha people in New Zealand, who have India anymore, just as Pakeha people in New Zealand, who have lived India anymore, just as Pakeha people in New Zealand, who have lived here in New Zealand, who have lived here for in New Zealand, who have lived here for generations, in New Zealand, who have lived here for generations, don't in New Zealand, who have lived here for generations, don't consider for generations, don't consider themselves for generations, don't consider themselves to for generations, don't consider themselves to be for generations, don't consider themselves to be any for generations, don't consider themselves to be any more for generations, don't consider themselves to be any more people for generations, don't consider themselves to be any more people of themselves to be any more people of Britain. themselves to be any more people of Britain. And themselves to be any more people of Britain. And I themselves to be any more people of Britain. And I think themselves to be any more people of Britain. And I think that's themselves to be any more people of Britain. And I think that's a themselves to be any more people of Britain. And I think that's a really Britain. And I think that's a really Britain. And I think that's a really Britain. And I think that's a really interesting argument Britain. And I think that's a really interesting argument that Britain. And I think that's a really interesting argument that we Britain. And I think that's a really interesting argument that we need Britain. And I think that's a really interesting argument that we need to interesting argument that we need to consider interesting argument that we need to consider in interesting argument that we need to consider in this interesting argument that we need to consider in this super interesting argument that we need to consider in this super diverse consider in this super diverse country consider in this super diverse country that consider in this super diverse country that we consider in this super diverse country that we now consider in this super diverse country that we now live consider in this super diverse country that we now live in. consider in this super diverse country that we now live in. Mike country that we now live in. Mike Butterick. country that we now live in. Mike Butterick. Thank country that we now live in. Mike Butterick. Thank you, country that we now live in. Mike Butterick. Thank you, Madam country that we now live in. Mike Butterick. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Butterick. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Isn't Butterick. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Isn't it Butterick. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Isn't it great Butterick. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Isn't it great to Butterick. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Isn't it great to who Butterick. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Isn't it great to who the Butterick. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Isn't it great to who the Opposition Isn't it great to who the Opposition wholeheartedly Isn't it great to who the Opposition wholeheartedly support Isn't it great to who the Opposition wholeheartedly support us Isn't it great to who the Opposition wholeheartedly support us in wholeheartedly support us in promoting wholeheartedly support us in promoting this wholeheartedly support us in promoting this bill wholeheartedly support us in promoting this bill through wholeheartedly support us in promoting this bill through the promoting this bill through the House? promoting this bill through the House? And promoting this bill through the House? And I promoting this bill through the House? And I was promoting this bill through the House? And I was thinking promoting this bill through the House? And I was thinking how promoting this bill through the House? And I was thinking how good House? And I was thinking how good it House? And I was thinking how good it would House? And I was thinking how good it would have House? And I was thinking how good it would have been House? And I was thinking how good it would have been if House? And I was thinking how good it would have been if they'd it would have been if they'd supported it would have been if they'd supported the it would have been if they'd supported the tax it would have been if they'd supported the tax relief it would have been if they'd supported the tax relief that supported the tax relief that hardworking supported the tax relief that hardworking low- supported the tax relief that hardworking low- and supported the tax relief that hardworking low- and middle-income hardworking low- and middle-income earners hardworking low- and middle-income earners are hardworking low- and middle-income earners are now hardworking low- and middle-income earners are now getting hardworking low- and middle-income earners are now getting in hardworking low- and middle-income earners are now getting in their earners are now getting in their back earners are now getting in their back pockets. earners are now getting in their back pockets. Not earners are now getting in their back pockets. Not only earners are now getting in their back pockets. Not only didn't earners are now getting in their back pockets. Not only didn't they back pockets. Not only didn't they support back pockets. Not only didn't they support it, back pockets. Not only didn't they support it, some back pockets. Not only didn't they support it, some that back pockets. Not only didn't they support it, some that asked back pockets. Not only didn't they support it, some that asked for back pockets. Not only didn't they support it, some that asked for it support it, some that asked for it be support it, some that asked for it be donated support it, some that asked for it be donated to support it, some that asked for it be donated to them. support it, some that asked for it be donated to them. This support it, some that asked for it be donated to them. This bill be donated to them. This bill addresses be donated to them. This bill addresses somewhat be donated to them. This bill addresses somewhat minor be donated to them. This bill addresses somewhat minor but, addresses somewhat minor but, nevertheless, addresses somewhat minor but, nevertheless, important, addresses somewhat minor but, nevertheless, important, necessary nevertheless, important, necessary changes nevertheless, important, necessary changes to nevertheless, important, necessary changes to modernise nevertheless, important, necessary changes to modernise the changes to modernise the legislation. changes to modernise the legislation. It changes to modernise the legislation. It will changes to modernise the legislation. It will preserve changes to modernise the legislation. It will preserve the legislation. It will preserve the legacy legislation. It will preserve the legacy and legislation. It will preserve the legacy and mana legislation. It will preserve the legacy and mana of legislation. It will preserve the legacy and mana of the legislation. It will preserve the legacy and mana of the 28th legislation. It will preserve the legacy and mana of the 28th Maori legacy and mana of the 28th Maori Battalion legacy and mana of the 28th Maori Battalion into legacy and mana of the 28th Maori Battalion into the legacy and mana of the 28th Maori Battalion into the future, legacy and mana of the 28th Maori Battalion into the future, support Battalion into the future, support the Battalion into the future, support the work Battalion into the future, support the work of Battalion into the future, support the work of the Battalion into the future, support the work of the Pacific Battalion into the future, support the work of the Pacific Education the work of the Pacific Education Foundation, the work of the Pacific Education Foundation, ensure the work of the Pacific Education Foundation, ensure that the work of the Pacific Education Foundation, ensure that education Foundation, ensure that education regulatory Foundation, ensure that education regulatory systems Foundation, ensure that education regulatory systems are regulatory systems are fit-for-purpose, regulatory systems are fit-for-purpose, such regulatory systems are fit-for-purpose, such as regulatory systems are fit-for-purpose, such as amending fit-for-purpose, such as amending the fit-for-purpose, such as amending the Health fit-for-purpose, such as amending the Health and fit-for-purpose, such as amending the Health and Safety fit-for-purpose, such as amending the Health and Safety at fit-for-purpose, such as amending the Health and Safety at Work fit-for-purpose, such as amending the Health and Safety at Work Act. the Health and Safety at Work Act. Regarding the Health and Safety at Work Act. Regarding the the Health and Safety at Work Act. Regarding the Ngarimu the Health and Safety at Work Act. Regarding the Ngarimu Act, the Health and Safety at Work Act. Regarding the Ngarimu Act, this the Health and Safety at Work Act. Regarding the Ngarimu Act, this bill Regarding the Ngarimu Act, this bill will Regarding the Ngarimu Act, this bill will clear Regarding the Ngarimu Act, this bill will clear up Regarding the Ngarimu Act, this bill will clear up some Regarding the Ngarimu Act, this bill will clear up some legal Regarding the Ngarimu Act, this bill will clear up some legal confusion will clear up some legal confusion regarding will clear up some legal confusion regarding the will clear up some legal confusion regarding the administration will clear up some legal confusion regarding the administration of will clear up some legal confusion regarding the administration of the regarding the administration of the scholarship regarding the administration of the scholarship fund, regarding the administration of the scholarship fund, and regarding the administration of the scholarship fund, and also scholarship fund, and also management scholarship fund, and also management of scholarship fund, and also management of the scholarship fund, and also management of the use scholarship fund, and also management of the use of scholarship fund, and also management of the use of the scholarship fund, and also management of the use of the Maori management of the use of the Maori Battalion's management of the use of the Maori Battalion's names management of the use of the Maori Battalion's names and management of the use of the Maori Battalion's names and emblems. management of the use of the Maori Battalion's names and emblems. This Battalion's names and emblems. This bill Battalion's names and emblems. This bill will Battalion's names and emblems. This bill will provide Battalion's names and emblems. This bill will provide clarity Battalion's names and emblems. This bill will provide clarity as Battalion's names and emblems. This bill will provide clarity as to Battalion's names and emblems. This bill will provide clarity as to who bill will provide clarity as to who can bill will provide clarity as to who can administer bill will provide clarity as to who can administer the bill will provide clarity as to who can administer the fund. bill will provide clarity as to who can administer the fund. And bill will provide clarity as to who can administer the fund. And only can administer the fund. And only one can administer the fund. And only one member can administer the fund. And only one member of can administer the fund. And only one member of the can administer the fund. And only one member of the Maori can administer the fund. And only one member of the Maori Battalion can administer the fund. And only one member of the Maori Battalion is one member of the Maori Battalion is still one member of the Maori Battalion is still alive, one member of the Maori Battalion is still alive, and one member of the Maori Battalion is still alive, and this one member of the Maori Battalion is still alive, and this bill one member of the Maori Battalion is still alive, and this bill will one member of the Maori Battalion is still alive, and this bill will help still alive, and this bill will help preserve still alive, and this bill will help preserve the still alive, and this bill will help preserve the legacy still alive, and this bill will help preserve the legacy and still alive, and this bill will help preserve the legacy and mana still alive, and this bill will help preserve the legacy and mana of still alive, and this bill will help preserve the legacy and mana of the preserve the legacy and mana of the Maori preserve the legacy and mana of the Maori Battalion preserve the legacy and mana of the Maori Battalion by preserve the legacy and mana of the Maori Battalion by ensuring preserve the legacy and mana of the Maori Battalion by ensuring there preserve the legacy and mana of the Maori Battalion by ensuring there is Maori Battalion by ensuring there is representation Maori Battalion by ensuring there is representation of Maori Battalion by ensuring there is representation of Maori Maori Battalion by ensuring there is representation of Maori soldiers Maori Battalion by ensuring there is representation of Maori soldiers or representation of Maori soldiers or veterans representation of Maori soldiers or veterans on representation of Maori soldiers or veterans on the representation of Maori soldiers or veterans on the board. representation of Maori soldiers or veterans on the board. And representation of Maori soldiers or veterans on the board. And this representation of Maori soldiers or veterans on the board. And this bill veterans on the board. And this bill replaces veterans on the board. And this bill replaces New veterans on the board. And this bill replaces New Zealand veterans on the board. And this bill replaces New Zealand Defence veterans on the board. And this bill replaces New Zealand Defence Force replaces New Zealand Defence Force with replaces New Zealand Defence Force with Armed replaces New Zealand Defence Force with Armed Forces, replaces New Zealand Defence Force with Armed Forces, which replaces New Zealand Defence Force with Armed Forces, which ensures with Armed Forces, which ensures that with Armed Forces, which ensures that only with Armed Forces, which ensures that only soldiers, with Armed Forces, which ensures that only soldiers, rather with Armed Forces, which ensures that only soldiers, rather than that only soldiers, rather than civilian that only soldiers, rather than civilian staff, that only soldiers, rather than civilian staff, are that only soldiers, rather than civilian staff, are eligible that only soldiers, rather than civilian staff, are eligible to that only soldiers, rather than civilian staff, are eligible to be civilian staff, are eligible to be the civilian staff, are eligible to be the representative civilian staff, are eligible to be the representative on civilian staff, are eligible to be the representative on the civilian staff, are eligible to be the representative on the board. civilian staff, are eligible to be the representative on the board. And the representative on the board. And I the representative on the board. And I would the representative on the board. And I would take the representative on the board. And I would take a the representative on the board. And I would take a moment the representative on the board. And I would take a moment to the representative on the board. And I would take a moment to reflect the representative on the board. And I would take a moment to reflect on I would take a moment to reflect on the I would take a moment to reflect on the dedication I would take a moment to reflect on the dedication and I would take a moment to reflect on the dedication and sacrifice I would take a moment to reflect on the dedication and sacrifice of the dedication and sacrifice of those the dedication and sacrifice of those who the dedication and sacrifice of those who have, the dedication and sacrifice of those who have, and the dedication and sacrifice of those who have, and do, the dedication and sacrifice of those who have, and do, serve the dedication and sacrifice of those who have, and do, serve New those who have, and do, serve New Zealand, those who have, and do, serve New Zealand, and those who have, and do, serve New Zealand, and thank those who have, and do, serve New Zealand, and thank them those who have, and do, serve New Zealand, and thank them for those who have, and do, serve New Zealand, and thank them for their Zealand, and thank them for their service. Zealand, and thank them for their service. Lest Zealand, and thank them for their service. Lest we Zealand, and thank them for their service. Lest we forget, Zealand, and thank them for their service. Lest we forget, Madam service. Lest we forget, Madam Speaker, service. Lest we forget, Madam Speaker, as service. Lest we forget, Madam Speaker, as we service. Lest we forget, Madam Speaker, as we stand service. Lest we forget, Madam Speaker, as we stand here, Speaker, as we stand here, surrounded Speaker, as we stand here, surrounded by Speaker, as we stand here, surrounded by the Speaker, as we stand here, surrounded by the names Speaker, as we stand here, surrounded by the names of Speaker, as we stand here, surrounded by the names of the surrounded by the names of the battles surrounded by the names of the battles that surrounded by the names of the battles that have surrounded by the names of the battles that have been surrounded by the names of the battles that have been fought surrounded by the names of the battles that have been fought to battles that have been fought to give battles that have been fought to give us battles that have been fought to give us the battles that have been fought to give us the freedom battles that have been fought to give us the freedom that battles that have been fought to give us the freedom that we battles that have been fought to give us the freedom that we enjoy give us the freedom that we enjoy today. give us the freedom that we enjoy today. Lest give us the freedom that we enjoy today. Lest we give us the freedom that we enjoy today. Lest we forget. give us the freedom that we enjoy today. Lest we forget. This give us the freedom that we enjoy today. Lest we forget. This bill today. Lest we forget. This bill also today. Lest we forget. This bill also makes today. Lest we forget. This bill also makes amendments today. Lest we forget. This bill also makes amendments to today. Lest we forget. This bill also makes amendments to the today. Lest we forget. This bill also makes amendments to the list today. Lest we forget. This bill also makes amendments to the list of also makes amendments to the list of Pacific also makes amendments to the list of Pacific people also makes amendments to the list of Pacific people in also makes amendments to the list of Pacific people in New also makes amendments to the list of Pacific people in New Zealand also makes amendments to the list of Pacific people in New Zealand who Pacific people in New Zealand who can Pacific people in New Zealand who can benefit Pacific people in New Zealand who can benefit from Pacific people in New Zealand who can benefit from the Pacific people in New Zealand who can benefit from the Pacific can benefit from the Pacific Education can benefit from the Pacific Education Foundation can benefit from the Pacific Education Foundation easier. can benefit from the Pacific Education Foundation easier. And Education Foundation easier. And this Education Foundation easier. And this ensures Education Foundation easier. And this ensures the Education Foundation easier. And this ensures the definition Education Foundation easier. And this ensures the definition reflects this ensures the definition reflects the this ensures the definition reflects the diversity this ensures the definition reflects the diversity we this ensures the definition reflects the diversity we have this ensures the definition reflects the diversity we have in this ensures the definition reflects the diversity we have in this the diversity we have in this country the diversity we have in this country now the diversity we have in this country now and the diversity we have in this country now and into the diversity we have in this country now and into the the diversity we have in this country now and into the future. the diversity we have in this country now and into the future. And country now and into the future. And this country now and into the future. And this also country now and into the future. And this also updates country now and into the future. And this also updates the country now and into the future. And this also updates the Pacific this also updates the Pacific Education this also updates the Pacific Education Foundation this also updates the Pacific Education Foundation Board's Education Foundation Board's function Education Foundation Board's function and Education Foundation Board's function and reporting Education Foundation Board's function and reporting requirements, function and reporting requirements, enabling function and reporting requirements, enabling better function and reporting requirements, enabling better support function and reporting requirements, enabling better support of function and reporting requirements, enabling better support of Pacific enabling better support of Pacific education enabling better support of Pacific education outcomes. enabling better support of Pacific education outcomes. And enabling better support of Pacific education outcomes. And on enabling better support of Pacific education outcomes. And on this enabling better support of Pacific education outcomes. And on this side education outcomes. And on this side of education outcomes. And on this side of the education outcomes. And on this side of the House, education outcomes. And on this side of the House, Madam education outcomes. And on this side of the House, Madam Speaker, education outcomes. And on this side of the House, Madam Speaker, we of the House, Madam Speaker, we recognise of the House, Madam Speaker, we recognise the of the House, Madam Speaker, we recognise the importance of the House, Madam Speaker, we recognise the importance of recognise the importance of education, recognise the importance of education, a recognise the importance of education, a good, recognise the importance of education, a good, solid recognise the importance of education, a good, solid one, recognise the importance of education, a good, solid one, as education, a good, solid one, as evidenced education, a good, solid one, as evidenced by education, a good, solid one, as evidenced by Minister education, a good, solid one, as evidenced by Minister Stanford's education, a good, solid one, as evidenced by Minister Stanford's - evidenced by Minister Stanford's - and evidenced by Minister Stanford's - and this evidenced by Minister Stanford's - and this side evidenced by Minister Stanford's - and this side of evidenced by Minister Stanford's - and this side of the evidenced by Minister Stanford's - and this side of the House's evidenced by Minister Stanford's - and this side of the House's - and this side of the House's - unwavering and this side of the House's - unwavering and and this side of the House's - unwavering and relentless and this side of the House's - unwavering and relentless focus and this side of the House's - unwavering and relentless focus on unwavering and relentless focus on improved unwavering and relentless focus on improved educational unwavering and relentless focus on improved educational outcomes unwavering and relentless focus on improved educational outcomes for improved educational outcomes for all improved educational outcomes for all New improved educational outcomes for all New Zealanders. improved educational outcomes for all New Zealanders. And improved educational outcomes for all New Zealanders. And anything all New Zealanders. And anything that all New Zealanders. And anything that contributes all New Zealanders. And anything that contributes to all New Zealanders. And anything that contributes to this all New Zealanders. And anything that contributes to this - all New Zealanders. And anything that contributes to this - such all New Zealanders. And anything that contributes to this - such as that contributes to this - such as this that contributes to this - such as this bill that contributes to this - such as this bill - that contributes to this - such as this bill - should that contributes to this - such as this bill - should be that contributes to this - such as this bill - should be commended. that contributes to this - such as this bill - should be commended. And this bill - should be commended. And on this bill - should be commended. And on that this bill - should be commended. And on that note, this bill - should be commended. And on that note, Madam this bill - should be commended. And on that note, Madam Speaker, this bill - should be commended. And on that note, Madam Speaker, I on that note, Madam Speaker, I commend on that note, Madam Speaker, I commend this on that note, Madam Speaker, I commend this bill on that note, Madam Speaker, I commend this bill to on that note, Madam Speaker, I commend this bill to the on that note, Madam Speaker, I commend this bill to the House. commend this bill to the House. Shanan commend this bill to the House. Shanan Halbert. Shanan Halbert. Thank Shanan Halbert. Thank you, Shanan Halbert. Thank you, Madam Shanan Halbert. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Shanan Halbert. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it's Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it's my Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it's my pleasure Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it's my pleasure to Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it's my pleasure to speak Speaker, it's my pleasure to speak to Speaker, it's my pleasure to speak to this Speaker, it's my pleasure to speak to this particular Speaker, it's my pleasure to speak to this particular piece Speaker, it's my pleasure to speak to this particular piece of to this particular piece of legislation to this particular piece of legislation before to this particular piece of legislation before us to this particular piece of legislation before us today, to this particular piece of legislation before us today, the legislation before us today, the Regulatory legislation before us today, the Regulatory Systems legislation before us today, the Regulatory Systems (Education) Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill. Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill. Madam Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill. Madam Speaker, Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill. Madam Speaker, I'm Amendment Bill. Madam Speaker, I'm very Amendment Bill. Madam Speaker, I'm very passionate Amendment Bill. Madam Speaker, I'm very passionate about Amendment Bill. Madam Speaker, I'm very passionate about young Amendment Bill. Madam Speaker, I'm very passionate about young people very passionate about young people achieving, very passionate about young people achieving, ensuring very passionate about young people achieving, ensuring that very passionate about young people achieving, ensuring that our achieving, ensuring that our tamariki achieving, ensuring that our tamariki mokopuna achieving, ensuring that our tamariki mokopuna have achieving, ensuring that our tamariki mokopuna have the achieving, ensuring that our tamariki mokopuna have the best tamariki mokopuna have the best opportunities tamariki mokopuna have the best opportunities in tamariki mokopuna have the best opportunities in front tamariki mokopuna have the best opportunities in front of tamariki mokopuna have the best opportunities in front of them, tamariki mokopuna have the best opportunities in front of them, both opportunities in front of them, both in opportunities in front of them, both in our opportunities in front of them, both in our compulsory opportunities in front of them, both in our compulsory education opportunities in front of them, both in our compulsory education sector in our compulsory education sector but in our compulsory education sector but also in our compulsory education sector but also right in our compulsory education sector but also right through in our compulsory education sector but also right through to in our compulsory education sector but also right through to secondary but also right through to secondary school but also right through to secondary school education but also right through to secondary school education and but also right through to secondary school education and through but also right through to secondary school education and through to school education and through to higher school education and through to higher learning. school education and through to higher learning. Whether school education and through to higher learning. Whether that school education and through to higher learning. Whether that be school education and through to higher learning. Whether that be in higher learning. Whether that be in polytechs, higher learning. Whether that be in polytechs, universities, higher learning. Whether that be in polytechs, universities, or higher learning. Whether that be in polytechs, universities, or trades polytechs, universities, or trades training. polytechs, universities, or trades training. I'm polytechs, universities, or trades training. I'm an polytechs, universities, or trades training. I'm an absolute polytechs, universities, or trades training. I'm an absolute believer training. I'm an absolute believer that training. I'm an absolute believer that every training. I'm an absolute believer that every person training. I'm an absolute believer that every person should training. I'm an absolute believer that every person should have training. I'm an absolute believer that every person should have the that every person should have the same that every person should have the same opportunity that every person should have the same opportunity to that every person should have the same opportunity to learn, that every person should have the same opportunity to learn, the that every person should have the same opportunity to learn, the same same opportunity to learn, the same opportunity same opportunity to learn, the same opportunity to same opportunity to learn, the same opportunity to carve same opportunity to learn, the same opportunity to carve a same opportunity to learn, the same opportunity to carve a path same opportunity to learn, the same opportunity to carve a path to same opportunity to learn, the same opportunity to carve a path to a opportunity to carve a path to a good opportunity to carve a path to a good life, opportunity to carve a path to a good life, to opportunity to carve a path to a good life, to a opportunity to carve a path to a good life, to a good opportunity to carve a path to a good life, to a good job, opportunity to carve a path to a good life, to a good job, and opportunity to carve a path to a good life, to a good job, and to good life, to a good job, and to raise good life, to a good job, and to raise their good life, to a good job, and to raise their family. good life, to a good job, and to raise their family. Madam good life, to a good job, and to raise their family. Madam Speaker, raise their family. Madam Speaker, I've raise their family. Madam Speaker, I've been raise their family. Madam Speaker, I've been confused raise their family. Madam Speaker, I've been confused by raise their family. Madam Speaker, I've been confused by this I've been confused by this Government's I've been confused by this Government's position I've been confused by this Government's position on I've been confused by this Government's position on Ma Government's position on Ma Tauranga, Government's position on Ma Tauranga, on Government's position on Ma Tauranga, on education. Government's position on Ma Tauranga, on education. At Government's position on Ma Tauranga, on education. At this Government's position on Ma Tauranga, on education. At this end, Tauranga, on education. At this end, we Tauranga, on education. At this end, we have Tauranga, on education. At this end, we have charter Tauranga, on education. At this end, we have charter schools, Tauranga, on education. At this end, we have charter schools, an we have charter schools, an ideological we have charter schools, an ideological experiment we have charter schools, an ideological experiment that we have charter schools, an ideological experiment that enables ideological experiment that enables certain ideological experiment that enables certain schools ideological experiment that enables certain schools in ideological experiment that enables certain schools in this ideological experiment that enables certain schools in this country ideological experiment that enables certain schools in this country to certain schools in this country to be certain schools in this country to be funded certain schools in this country to be funded more certain schools in this country to be funded more than certain schools in this country to be funded more than others. be funded more than others. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> And <INTERRUPTION> And at <INTERRUPTION> And at the <INTERRUPTION> And at the other <INTERRUPTION> And at the other end <INTERRUPTION> And at the other end is <INTERRUPTION> And at the other end is a <INTERRUPTION> And at the other end is a Government And at the other end is a Government that And at the other end is a Government that wants And at the other end is a Government that wants to And at the other end is a Government that wants to micro-manage that wants to micro-manage compulsory that wants to micro-manage compulsory education that wants to micro-manage compulsory education in that wants to micro-manage compulsory education in our that wants to micro-manage compulsory education in our state compulsory education in our state school compulsory education in our state school system. compulsory education in our state school system. The compulsory education in our state school system. The introduction compulsory education in our state school system. The introduction of school system. The introduction of compulsory school system. The introduction of compulsory reading, school system. The introduction of compulsory reading, writing school system. 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Madam trust to teach and learn our tamariki. Madam Speaker, trust to teach and learn our tamariki. Madam Speaker, I trust to teach and learn our tamariki. Madam Speaker, I have trust to teach and learn our tamariki. Madam Speaker, I have been tamariki. Madam Speaker, I have been confused tamariki. Madam Speaker, I have been confused by the tamariki. Madam Speaker, I have been confused by the cancellation tamariki. Madam Speaker, I have been confused by the cancellation of tamariki. 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I've travelled to Te Tairafiti and acknowledge the Tairafiti and acknowledge the member, Tairafiti and acknowledge the member, Danica Tairafiti and acknowledge the member, Danica Patrick, Tairafiti and acknowledge the member, Danica Patrick, in Tairafiti and acknowledge the member, Danica Patrick, in the Tairafiti and acknowledge the member, Danica Patrick, in the east member, Danica Patrick, in the east coast, member, Danica Patrick, in the east coast, and member, Danica Patrick, in the east coast, and the member, Danica Patrick, in the east coast, and the wonderful member, Danica Patrick, in the east coast, and the wonderful place member, Danica Patrick, in the east coast, and the wonderful place of coast, and the wonderful place of Tauranga, coast, and the wonderful place of Tauranga, Gisborne, coast, and the wonderful place of Tauranga, Gisborne, where coast, and the wonderful place of Tauranga, Gisborne, where they coast, and the wonderful place of Tauranga, Gisborne, where they house Tauranga, Gisborne, where they house the Tauranga, Gisborne, where they house the museum Tauranga, Gisborne, where they house the museum for Tauranga, Gisborne, where they house the museum for the Tauranga, Gisborne, where they house the museum for the 28th Tauranga, Gisborne, where they house the museum for the 28th Maori the museum for the 28th Maori Battalion. the museum for the 28th Maori Battalion. I the museum for the 28th Maori Battalion. I visited. the museum for the 28th Maori Battalion. I visited. It's the museum for the 28th Maori Battalion. I visited. It's a the museum for the 28th Maori Battalion. I visited. It's a special Battalion. I visited. It's a special place. Battalion. I visited. It's a special place. It's Battalion. I visited. It's a special place. It's a Battalion. I visited. It's a special place. It's a special Battalion. I visited. It's a special place. It's a special place Battalion. I visited. It's a special place. It's a special place to Battalion. I visited. It's a special place. It's a special place to this place. It's a special place to this country place. It's a special place to this country that place. It's a special place to this country that honours place. It's a special place to this country that honours people place. It's a special place to this country that honours people that country that honours people that went country that honours people that went to country that honours people that went to fight country that honours people that went to fight for country that honours people that went to fight for this country that honours people that went to fight for this country, country that honours people that went to fight for this country, for went to fight for this country, for who went to fight for this country, for who we went to fight for this country, for who we are, went to fight for this country, for who we are, but went to fight for this country, for who we are, but also, went to fight for this country, for who we are, but also, Madam went to fight for this country, for who we are, but also, Madam Speaker, who we are, but also, Madam Speaker, it's who we are, but also, Madam Speaker, it's where who we are, but also, Madam Speaker, it's where my who we are, but also, Madam Speaker, it's where my grandfather's who we are, but also, Madam Speaker, it's where my grandfather's picture it's where my grandfather's picture sits, it's where my grandfather's picture sits, as it's where my grandfather's picture sits, as somebody it's where my grandfather's picture sits, as somebody who it's where my grandfather's picture sits, as somebody who served it's where my grandfather's picture sits, as somebody who served this sits, as somebody who served this country sits, as somebody who served this country for, sits, as somebody who served this country for, in sits, as somebody who served this country for, in effect, sits, as somebody who served this country for, in effect, what sits, as somebody who served this country for, in effect, what we sits, as somebody who served this country for, in effect, what we have country for, in effect, what we have now. country for, in effect, what we have now. 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And when I was lucky enough to travel to Tamaki Makaurau, Auckland, travel to Tamaki Makaurau, Auckland, after travel to Tamaki Makaurau, Auckland, after growing travel to Tamaki Makaurau, Auckland, after growing up travel to Tamaki Makaurau, Auckland, after growing up in travel to Tamaki Makaurau, Auckland, after growing up in the travel to Tamaki Makaurau, Auckland, after growing up in the wonderful after growing up in the wonderful place after growing up in the wonderful place of after growing up in the wonderful place of Hawke's after growing up in the wonderful place of Hawke's Bay, after growing up in the wonderful place of Hawke's Bay, I after growing up in the wonderful place of Hawke's Bay, I had after growing up in the wonderful place of Hawke's Bay, I had the place of Hawke's Bay, I had the opportunity place of Hawke's Bay, I had the opportunity to place of Hawke's Bay, I had the opportunity to go place of Hawke's Bay, I had the opportunity to go on place of Hawke's Bay, I had the opportunity to go on to place of Hawke's Bay, I had the opportunity to go on to further opportunity to go on to further education, opportunity to go on to further education, to opportunity to go on to further education, to university, opportunity to go on to further education, to university, and opportunity to go on to further education, to university, and as opportunity to go on to further education, to university, and as a education, to university, and as a first education, to university, and as a first in education, to university, and as a first in family, education, to university, and as a first in family, study education, to university, and as a first in family, study at first in family, study at undergraduate first in family, study at undergraduate level. first in family, study at undergraduate level. And first in family, study at undergraduate level. And I first in family, study at undergraduate level. And I wanted first in family, study at undergraduate level. And I wanted to undergraduate level. And I wanted to go undergraduate level. And I wanted to go to undergraduate level. And I wanted to go to university undergraduate level. And I wanted to go to university because undergraduate level. And I wanted to go to university because I undergraduate level. 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And I knew it was a ticket to influence the lives of ticket to influence the lives of others ticket to influence the lives of others to ticket to influence the lives of others to make ticket to influence the lives of others to make New ticket to influence the lives of others to make New Zealand ticket to influence the lives of others to make New Zealand a ticket to influence the lives of others to make New Zealand a better others to make New Zealand a better place, others to make New Zealand a better place, and others to make New Zealand a better place, and that others to make New Zealand a better place, and that I, others to make New Zealand a better place, and that I, in others to make New Zealand a better place, and that I, in my others to make New Zealand a better place, and that I, in my lifetime, place, and that I, in my lifetime, can place, and that I, in my lifetime, can make place, and that I, in my lifetime, can make a place, and that I, in my lifetime, can make a contribution place, and that I, in my lifetime, can make a contribution to place, and that I, in my lifetime, can make a contribution to some place, and that I, in my lifetime, can make a contribution to some of can make a contribution to some of that. can make a contribution to some of that. 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It's a great pleasure to rise to take the great pleasure to rise to take the final great pleasure to rise to take the final call great pleasure to rise to take the final call on great pleasure to rise to take the final call on the great pleasure to rise to take the final call on the Regulatory great pleasure to rise to take the final call on the Regulatory Systems final call on the Regulatory Systems (Education) final call on the Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment final call on the Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill. final call on the Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill. There (Education) Amendment Bill. There are (Education) Amendment Bill. There are three (Education) Amendment Bill. There are three main (Education) Amendment Bill. There are three main parts (Education) Amendment Bill. There are three main parts of (Education) Amendment Bill. There are three main parts of the (Education) Amendment Bill. There are three main parts of the bill, (Education) Amendment Bill. 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And the Maori Battalion, they suffered Casino. And the Maori Battalion, they suffered the Casino. And the Maori Battalion, they suffered the heaviest Casino. And the Maori Battalion, they suffered the heaviest losses Casino. 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But then there was something that I discovered, for farms. 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But he actually decided he didn't want - he refused to go in didn't want - he refused to go in because didn't want - he refused to go in because his didn't want - he refused to go in because his troops didn't want - he refused to go in because his troops weren't didn't want - he refused to go in because his troops weren't allowed because his troops weren't allowed to. because his troops weren't allowed to. And because his troops weren't allowed to. And that because his troops weren't allowed to. And that was because his troops weren't allowed to. And that was not because his troops weren't allowed to. And that was not reversed because his troops weren't allowed to. And that was not reversed until to. And that was not reversed until - to. And that was not reversed until - I to. And that was not reversed until - I believe to. And that was not reversed until - I believe it to. And that was not reversed until - I believe it was to. 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And I think it's important that we And I think it's important that we recognise And I think it's important that we recognise those And I think it's important that we recognise those things. And I think it's important that we recognise those things. Because And I think it's important that we recognise those things. Because that recognise those things. Because that was recognise those things. Because that was an recognise those things. Because that was an injustice recognise those things. Because that was an injustice that recognise those things. Because that was an injustice that was was an injustice that was undeserved. was an injustice that was undeserved. Because was an injustice that was undeserved. Because they was an injustice that was undeserved. Because they all was an injustice that was undeserved. Because they all went was an injustice that was undeserved. Because they all went to undeserved. Because they all went to war undeserved. Because they all went to war as undeserved. Because they all went to war as volunteers undeserved. Because they all went to war as volunteers and undeserved. Because they all went to war as volunteers and I undeserved. Because they all went to war as volunteers and I think undeserved. Because they all went to war as volunteers and I think we war as volunteers and I think we really war as volunteers and I think we really need war as volunteers and I think we really need to war as volunteers and I think we really need to respect war as volunteers and I think we really need to respect that really need to respect that contribution really need to respect that contribution to really need to respect that contribution to our really need to respect that contribution to our people, really need to respect that contribution to our people, and contribution to our people, and people contribution to our people, and people need contribution to our people, and people need to contribution to our people, and people need to acknowledge contribution to our people, and people need to acknowledge that people need to acknowledge that history. people need to acknowledge that history. So, people need to acknowledge that history. So, I people need to acknowledge that history. 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I did want to mention as well that I did want to mention as well that of I did want to mention as well that of the I did want to mention as well that of the councils I did want to mention as well that of the councils that I did want to mention as well that of the councils that did I did want to mention as well that of the councils that did end I did want to mention as well that of the councils that did end up of the councils that did end up getting of the councils that did end up getting their of the councils that did end up getting their act of the councils that did end up getting their act together of the councils that did end up getting their act together and of the councils that did end up getting their act together and being getting their act together and being able getting their act together and being able to getting their act together and being able to submit getting their act together and being able to submit within getting their act together and being able to submit within the getting their act together and being able to submit within the 10-day able to submit within the 10-day time able to submit within the 10-day time frame, able to submit within the 10-day time frame, it able to submit within the 10-day time frame, it was able to submit within the 10-day time frame, it was summarised able to submit within the 10-day time frame, it was summarised in able to submit within the 10-day time frame, it was summarised in the time frame, it was summarised in the official time frame, it was summarised in the official advice time frame, it was summarised in the official advice all time frame, it was summarised in the official advice all councils official advice all councils submitted official advice all councils submitted "the official advice all councils submitted "the cost official advice all councils submitted "the cost implications official advice all councils submitted "the cost implications are submitted "the cost implications are unclear, submitted "the cost implications are unclear, making submitted "the cost implications are unclear, making it submitted "the cost implications are unclear, making it challenging submitted "the cost implications are unclear, making it challenging to unclear, making it challenging to fund unclear, making it challenging to fund and unclear, making it challenging to fund and plan unclear, making it challenging to fund and plan the unclear, making it challenging to fund and plan the reforms." unclear, making it challenging to fund and plan the reforms." There's fund and plan the reforms." There's so fund and plan the reforms." There's so many fund and plan the reforms." There's so many clauses fund and plan the reforms." There's so many clauses throughout fund and plan the reforms." There's so many clauses throughout the fund and plan the reforms." There's so many clauses throughout the bill so many clauses throughout the bill which so many clauses throughout the bill which will so many clauses throughout the bill which will highlight so many clauses throughout the bill which will highlight this. so many clauses throughout the bill which will highlight this. But so many clauses throughout the bill which will highlight this. But I which will highlight this. But I really which will highlight this. But I really invite which will highlight this. But I really invite overarching which will highlight this. But I really invite overarching comment really invite overarching comment from really invite overarching comment from the really invite overarching comment from the minister really invite overarching comment from the minister about really invite overarching comment from the minister about this from the minister about this overarching from the minister about this overarching concern from the minister about this overarching concern where from the minister about this overarching concern where local overarching concern where local government overarching concern where local government voices overarching concern where local government voices vent overarching concern where local government voices vent been overarching concern where local government voices vent been able overarching concern where local government voices vent been able to government voices vent been able to feed government voices vent been able to feed in government voices vent been able to feed in and government voices vent been able to feed in and whether government voices vent been able to feed in and whether he government voices vent been able to feed in and whether he feels government voices vent been able to feed in and whether he feels like feed in and whether he feels like the feed in and whether he feels like the purpose feed in and whether he feels like the purpose is feed in and whether he feels like the purpose is still feed in and whether he feels like the purpose is still upheld. feed in and whether he feels like the purpose is still upheld. I feed in and whether he feels like the purpose is still upheld. I also the purpose is still upheld. I also wanted the purpose is still upheld. I also wanted to the purpose is still upheld. I also wanted to point the purpose is still upheld. I also wanted to point to the purpose is still upheld. I also wanted to point to one the purpose is still upheld. I also wanted to point to one of the purpose is still upheld. I also wanted to point to one of the wanted to point to one of the regulatory wanted to point to one of the regulatory impact wanted to point to one of the regulatory impact statements wanted to point to one of the regulatory impact statements that regulatory impact statements that informs regulatory impact statements that informs the regulatory impact statements that informs the development regulatory impact statements that informs the development of regulatory impact statements that informs the development of the regulatory impact statements that informs the development of the bill. informs the development of the bill. It informs the development of the bill. It says informs the development of the bill. It says a informs the development of the bill. It says a detailed informs the development of the bill. It says a detailed comparison informs the development of the bill. 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And that the department relied heavily on department relied heavily on evidence department relied heavily on evidence collected department relied heavily on evidence collected from department relied heavily on evidence collected from media evidence collected from media reports evidence collected from media reports due evidence collected from media reports due to evidence collected from media reports due to time evidence collected from media reports due to time constraints, evidence collected from media reports due to time constraints, and reports due to time constraints, and whether reports due to time constraints, and whether the reports due to time constraints, and whether the minister reports due to time constraints, and whether the minister is reports due to time constraints, and whether the minister is concerned whether the minister is concerned because whether the minister is concerned because there whether the minister is concerned because there isn't whether the minister is concerned because there isn't that whether the minister is concerned because there isn't that strong because there isn't that strong foundation because there isn't that strong foundation of because there isn't that strong foundation of this because there isn't that strong foundation of this bill because there isn't that strong foundation of this bill actually foundation of this bill actually being foundation of this bill actually being developed foundation of this bill actually being developed and foundation of this bill actually being developed and thrown foundation of this bill actually being developed and thrown around foundation of this bill actually being developed and thrown around by being developed and thrown around by councils, being developed and thrown around by councils, is being developed and thrown around by councils, is it being developed and thrown around by councils, is it really being developed and thrown around by councils, is it really a being developed and thrown around by councils, is it really a strong councils, is it really a strong purpose councils, is it really a strong purpose and councils, is it really a strong purpose and foundation councils, is it really a strong purpose and foundation for purpose and foundation for progressing? purpose and foundation for progressing? So, purpose and foundation for progressing? So, why purpose and foundation for progressing? So, why did purpose and foundation for progressing? So, why did the progressing? So, why did the minister progressing? So, why did the minister consider progressing? So, why did the minister consider it progressing? So, why did the minister consider it unnecessary progressing? So, why did the minister consider it unnecessary to minister consider it unnecessary to adequately minister consider it unnecessary to adequately consult minister consider it unnecessary to adequately consult councils minister consider it unnecessary to adequately consult councils and minister consider it unnecessary to adequately consult councils and have adequately consult councils and have this adequately consult councils and have this truncated adequately consult councils and have this truncated process? adequately consult councils and have this truncated process? And adequately consult councils and have this truncated process? And why adequately consult councils and have this truncated process? And why did this truncated process? And why did so this truncated process? And why did so few this truncated process? And why did so few of this truncated process? And why did so few of the this truncated process? And why did so few of the suggestions this truncated process? And why did so few of the suggestions submitted so few of the suggestions submitted by so few of the suggestions submitted by local so few of the suggestions submitted by local government so few of the suggestions submitted by local government get so few of the suggestions submitted by local government get incorporated by local government get incorporated in by local government get incorporated in the by local government get incorporated in the bill? by local government get incorporated in the bill? I by local government get incorporated in the bill? I would by local government get incorporated in the bill? I would love by local government get incorporated in the bill? I would love to by local government get incorporated in the bill? I would love to hear in the bill? I would love to hear any in the bill? I would love to hear any overarching in the bill? I would love to hear any overarching comments in the bill? I would love to hear any overarching comments from in the bill? I would love to hear any overarching comments from the any overarching comments from the minister. any overarching comments from the minister. I any overarching comments from the minister. I call any overarching comments from the minister. I call the any overarching comments from the minister. I call the Hon any overarching comments from the minister. I call the Hon Simeon minister. I call the Hon Simeon Brown. minister. I call the Hon Simeon Brown. Thank minister. I call the Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you minister. I call the Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you for minister. I call the Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you for the minister. I call the Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you for the opportunity Brown. Thank you for the opportunity to Brown. Thank you for the opportunity to take Brown. Thank you for the opportunity to take a Brown. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call Brown. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call in Brown. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call in this Brown. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call in this debate Brown. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call in this debate on Brown. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call in this debate on the to take a call in this debate on the Local to take a call in this debate on the Local Government to take a call in this debate on the Local Government (Water to take a call in this debate on the Local Government (Water Services Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Arrangements) Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. And Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. And the Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. And the first Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. And the first part Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. And the first part here Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. And the first part here that Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. And the first part here that deals Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. And the first part here that deals with the first part here that deals with the the first part here that deals with the purpose, the first part here that deals with the purpose, overview, the purpose, overview, interpretation, the purpose, overview, interpretation, provisions the purpose, overview, interpretation, provisions of the purpose, overview, interpretation, provisions of this interpretation, provisions of this legislation. interpretation, provisions of this legislation. And interpretation, provisions of this legislation. And it's interpretation, provisions of this legislation. And it's been interpretation, provisions of this legislation. And it's been a interpretation, provisions of this legislation. And it's been a number legislation. And it's been a number of legislation. And it's been a number of questions legislation. And it's been a number of questions in legislation. And it's been a number of questions in relation legislation. And it's been a number of questions in relation to, legislation. And it's been a number of questions in relation to, I of questions in relation to, I guess, of questions in relation to, I guess, the of questions in relation to, I guess, the time of questions in relation to, I guess, the time frame of questions in relation to, I guess, the time frame and of questions in relation to, I guess, the time frame and in of questions in relation to, I guess, the time frame and in terms guess, the time frame and in terms of guess, the time frame and in terms of the guess, the time frame and in terms of the purpose guess, the time frame and in terms of the purpose of guess, the time frame and in terms of the purpose of this guess, the time frame and in terms of the purpose of this legislation. of the purpose of this legislation. This of the purpose of this legislation. This government of the purpose of this legislation. This government recognises of the purpose of this legislation. This government recognises the of the purpose of this legislation. This government recognises the need This government recognises the need to This government recognises the need to act This government recognises the need to act quickly This government recognises the need to act quickly when This government recognises the need to act quickly when it This government recognises the need to act quickly when it comes This government recognises the need to act quickly when it comes to This government recognises the need to act quickly when it comes to this to act quickly when it comes to this critical to act quickly when it comes to this critical issue to act quickly when it comes to this critical issue for to act quickly when it comes to this critical issue for councils to act quickly when it comes to this critical issue for councils in critical issue for councils in regards critical issue for councils in regards to critical issue for councils in regards to their critical issue for councils in regards to their water critical issue for councils in regards to their water services critical issue for councils in regards to their water services and regards to their water services and the regards to their water services and the provision regards to their water services and the provision of regards to their water services and the provision of those regards to their water services and the provision of those services. the provision of those services. It's the provision of those services. It's a the provision of those services. It's a simple the provision of those services. It's a simple piece the provision of those services. It's a simple piece of the provision of those services. It's a simple piece of legislation. It's a simple piece of legislation. Which It's a simple piece of legislation. Which effectively It's a simple piece of legislation. Which effectively requires It's a simple piece of legislation. Which effectively requires councils Which effectively requires councils to Which effectively requires councils to put Which effectively requires councils to put forward Which effectively requires councils to put forward water Which effectively requires councils to put forward water service to put forward water service delivery to put forward water service delivery plans, to put forward water service delivery plans, it to put forward water service delivery plans, it provides to put forward water service delivery plans, it provides their delivery plans, it provides their ability delivery plans, it provides their ability to delivery plans, it provides their ability to be delivery plans, it provides their ability to be able delivery plans, it provides their ability to be able to delivery plans, it provides their ability to be able to set delivery plans, it provides their ability to be able to set up ability to be able to set up council-controlled ability to be able to set up council-controlled organisations ability to be able to set up council-controlled organisations in council-controlled organisations in a council-controlled organisations in a far council-controlled organisations in a far more council-controlled organisations in a far more efficient council-controlled organisations in a far more efficient manner council-controlled organisations in a far more efficient manner and council-controlled organisations in a far more efficient manner and has a far more efficient manner and has some a far more efficient manner and has some provisions a far more efficient manner and has some provisions in a far more efficient manner and has some provisions in relation a far more efficient manner and has some provisions in relation to some provisions in relation to Watercare some provisions in relation to Watercare in some provisions in relation to Watercare in Auckland. some provisions in relation to Watercare in Auckland. 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Of course, there's always going to be questions there's always going to be questions around there's always going to be questions around the there's always going to be questions around the speed there's always going to be questions around the speed and there's always going to be questions around the speed and the there's always going to be questions around the speed and the time there's always going to be questions around the speed and the time frame around the speed and the time frame and around the speed and the time frame and I around the speed and the time frame and I think around the speed and the time frame and I think that around the speed and the time frame and I think that 55 around the speed and the time frame and I think that 55 councils around the speed and the time frame and I think that 55 councils that and I think that 55 councils that submitted, and I think that 55 councils that submitted, which and I think that 55 councils that submitted, which is and I think that 55 councils that submitted, which is actually and I think that 55 councils that submitted, which is actually a submitted, which is actually a significant submitted, which is actually a significant number submitted, which is actually a significant number of submitted, which is actually a significant number of councils, significant number of councils, listening significant number of councils, listening to significant number of councils, listening to the significant number of councils, listening to the previous significant number of councils, listening to the previous member, significant number of councils, listening to the previous member, it listening to the previous member, it would listening to the previous member, it would sound listening to the previous member, it would sound like listening to the previous member, it would sound like no-one listening to the previous member, it would sound like no-one submitted, would sound like no-one submitted, in would sound like no-one submitted, in fact, would sound like no-one submitted, in fact, 55 would sound like no-one submitted, in fact, 55 councils would sound like no-one submitted, in fact, 55 councils submitted. would sound like no-one submitted, in fact, 55 councils submitted. 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It's this piece of legislation. It's really this piece of legislation. It's really important this piece of legislation. It's really important that this piece of legislation. It's really important that though this piece of legislation. It's really important that though this really important that though this legislation really important that though this legislation does really important that though this legislation does act really important that though this legislation does act with really important that though this legislation does act with pace, really important that though this legislation does act with pace, as legislation does act with pace, as this legislation does act with pace, as this Government legislation does act with pace, as this Government is legislation does act with pace, as this Government is acting legislation does act with pace, as this Government is acting quickly legislation does act with pace, as this Government is acting quickly to this Government is acting quickly to put this Government is acting quickly to put in this Government is acting quickly to put in place this Government is acting quickly to put in place local this Government is acting quickly to put in place local water this Government is acting quickly to put in place local water done this Government is acting quickly to put in place local water done well, put in place local water done well, we put in place local water done well, we have put in place local water done well, we have further put in place local water done well, we have further legislation put in place local water done well, we have further legislation that we have further legislation that will we have further legislation that will come we have further legislation that will come later we have further legislation that will come later this we have further legislation that will come later this year, we have further legislation that will come later this year, that we have further legislation that will come later this year, that will will come later this year, that will have will come later this year, that will have more will come later this year, that will have more detail will come later this year, that will have more detail around will come later this year, that will have more detail around the have more detail around the financial have more detail around the financial arrangements have more detail around the financial arrangements and have more detail around the financial arrangements and also have more detail around the financial arrangements and also the financial arrangements and also the structures financial arrangements and also the structures for financial arrangements and also the structures for these financial arrangements and also the structures for these new financial arrangements and also the structures for these new water structures for these new water entities. structures for these new water entities. And structures for these new water entities. And that structures for these new water entities. And that is structures for these new water entities. And that is - structures for these new water entities. And that is - work structures for these new water entities. And that is - work is entities. And that is - work is under entities. And that is - work is under way entities. And that is - work is under way on entities. And that is - work is under way on that entities. And that is - work is under way on that at entities. And that is - work is under way on that at pace entities. And that is - work is under way on that at pace at entities. And that is - work is under way on that at pace at this under way on that at pace at this stage. under way on that at pace at this stage. But under way on that at pace at this stage. But there's under way on that at pace at this stage. But there's an under way on that at pace at this stage. But there's an urgency under way on that at pace at this stage. But there's an urgency to stage. But there's an urgency to this stage. But there's an urgency to this issue. stage. But there's an urgency to this issue. I've stage. But there's an urgency to this issue. I've heard stage. But there's an urgency to this issue. I've heard comments stage. But there's an urgency to this issue. I've heard comments from this issue. I've heard comments from the this issue. I've heard comments from the previous this issue. I've heard comments from the previous member, this issue. I've heard comments from the previous member, the this issue. I've heard comments from the previous member, the Hon this issue. I've heard comments from the previous member, the Hon Barbara the previous member, the Hon Barbara Edmonds, the previous member, the Hon Barbara Edmonds, she the previous member, the Hon Barbara Edmonds, she was the previous member, the Hon Barbara Edmonds, she was saying the previous member, the Hon Barbara Edmonds, she was saying act Edmonds, she was saying act urgently. Edmonds, she was saying act urgently. The Edmonds, she was saying act urgently. The member Edmonds, she was saying act urgently. The member from Edmonds, she was saying act urgently. The member from the Edmonds, she was saying act urgently. The member from the Green urgently. The member from the Green Party urgently. The member from the Green Party is urgently. The member from the Green Party is saying urgently. The member from the Green Party is saying why urgently. The member from the Green Party is saying why do urgently. The member from the Green Party is saying why do we urgently. 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And we're saying, as a Government, we're acting with as a Government, we're acting with urgency as a Government, we're acting with urgency on as a Government, we're acting with urgency on this as a Government, we're acting with urgency on this particular as a Government, we're acting with urgency on this particular issue. as a Government, we're acting with urgency on this particular issue. I urgency on this particular issue. I will urgency on this particular issue. I will leave urgency on this particular issue. I will leave them urgency on this particular issue. I will leave them to urgency on this particular issue. I will leave them to decide urgency on this particular issue. 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Of course, this Government's desire to act quickly. Of course, this is Government's desire to act quickly. Of course, this is the Government's desire to act quickly. Of course, this is the second Government's desire to act quickly. Of course, this is the second part Of course, this is the second part of Of course, this is the second part of a Of course, this is the second part of a trilogy, Of course, this is the second part of a trilogy, or Of course, this is the second part of a trilogy, or a Of course, this is the second part of a trilogy, or a trifecta Of course, this is the second part of a trilogy, or a trifecta of of a trilogy, or a trifecta of legislation of a trilogy, or a trifecta of legislation coming of a trilogy, or a trifecta of legislation coming before of a trilogy, or a trifecta of legislation coming before the of a trilogy, or a trifecta of legislation coming before the House. legislation coming before the House. The legislation coming before the House. The first legislation coming before the House. The first part legislation coming before the House. The first part was legislation coming before the House. The first part was repealing. legislation coming before the House. The first part was repealing. The The first part was repealing. The purpose The first part was repealing. The purpose of The first part was repealing. The purpose of this The first part was repealing. The purpose of this bill The first part was repealing. The purpose of this bill comes The first part was repealing. 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So, just in terms of the time frames and the in terms of the time frames and the minister in terms of the time frames and the minister emphasising in terms of the time frames and the minister emphasising the in terms of the time frames and the minister emphasising the desire in terms of the time frames and the minister emphasising the desire to minister emphasising the desire to act minister emphasising the desire to act quickly, minister emphasising the desire to act quickly, I minister emphasising the desire to act quickly, I wonder minister emphasising the desire to act quickly, I wonder if minister emphasising the desire to act quickly, I wonder if the act quickly, I wonder if the minister act quickly, I wonder if the minister would act quickly, I wonder if the minister would like act quickly, I wonder if the minister would like to act quickly, I wonder if the minister would like to outline act quickly, I wonder if the minister would like to outline to minister would like to outline to the minister would like to outline to the House minister would like to outline to the House in minister would like to outline to the House in this minister would like to outline to the House in this committee minister would like to outline to the House in this committee stage the House in this committee stage why the House in this committee stage why it the House in this committee stage why it is the House in this committee stage why it is he's the House in this committee stage why it is he's not the House in this committee stage why it is he's not bringing the House in this committee stage why it is he's not bringing the the House in this committee stage why it is he's not bringing the more why it is he's not bringing the more substantive why it is he's not bringing the more substantive piece why it is he's not bringing the more substantive piece of why it is he's not bringing the more substantive piece of legislation, substantive piece of legislation, the substantive piece of legislation, the part substantive piece of legislation, the part 3, substantive piece of legislation, the part 3, that substantive piece of legislation, the part 3, that will substantive piece of legislation, the part 3, that will do substantive piece of legislation, the part 3, that will do the substantive piece of legislation, the part 3, that will do the things the part 3, that will do the things around the part 3, that will do the things around the the part 3, that will do the things around the long-term the part 3, that will do the things around the long-term regulatory around the long-term regulatory settings around the long-term regulatory settings for around the long-term regulatory settings for sustainable around the long-term regulatory settings for sustainable water settings for sustainable water delivery, settings for sustainable water delivery, the settings for sustainable water delivery, the long-term settings for sustainable water delivery, the long-term arrangements delivery, the long-term arrangements for delivery, the long-term arrangements for financial delivery, the long-term arrangements for financial sustainability, delivery, the long-term arrangements for financial sustainability, much for financial sustainability, much discussion for financial sustainability, much discussion on for financial sustainability, much discussion on as for financial sustainability, much discussion on as we for financial sustainability, much discussion on as we progress discussion on as we progress different discussion on as we progress different parts discussion on as we progress different parts of discussion on as we progress different parts of this discussion on as we progress different parts of this bill discussion on as we progress different parts of this bill through different parts of this bill through into different parts of this bill through into this different parts of this bill through into this evening, different parts of this bill through into this evening, Madam different parts of this bill through into this evening, Madam Chair. different parts of this bill through into this evening, Madam Chair. And into this evening, Madam Chair. And 'cause into this evening, Madam Chair. And 'cause of into this evening, Madam Chair. And 'cause of course into this evening, Madam Chair. And 'cause of course that into this evening, Madam Chair. And 'cause of course that will into this evening, Madam Chair. And 'cause of course that will include 'cause of course that will include the 'cause of course that will include the establishment 'cause of course that will include the establishment of 'cause of course that will include the establishment of the 'cause of course that will include the establishment of the new 'cause of course that will include the establishment of the new classes the establishment of the new classes of the establishment of the new classes of council the establishment of the new classes of council water the establishment of the new classes of council water organisations. of council water organisations. Providing of council water organisations. Providing for of council water organisations. Providing for the of council water organisations. Providing for the complete of council water organisations. Providing for the complete economic Providing for the complete economic regulation Providing for the complete economic regulation to Providing for the complete economic regulation to be Providing for the complete economic regulation to be developed Providing for the complete economic regulation to be developed by Providing for the complete economic regulation to be developed by the regulation to be developed by the Minister regulation to be developed by the Minister of regulation to be developed by the Minister of Commerce regulation to be developed by the Minister of Commerce and regulation to be developed by the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, amending Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, amending the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, amending the legislation Affairs, amending the legislation for Affairs, amending the legislation for the Affairs, amending the legislation for the regulation Affairs, amending the legislation for the regulation of Affairs, amending the legislation for the regulation of water for the regulation of water services, for the regulation of water services, establishing for the regulation of water services, establishing the for the regulation of water services, establishing the new services, establishing the new regulatory services, establishing the new regulatory back services, establishing the new regulatory back stop, services, establishing the new regulatory back stop, and services, establishing the new regulatory back stop, and providing regulatory back stop, and providing refinements regulatory back stop, and providing refinements to regulatory back stop, and providing refinements to water regulatory back stop, and providing refinements to water services. regulatory back stop, and providing refinements to water services. So, refinements to water services. So, given refinements to water services. So, given the refinements to water services. So, given the minister refinements to water services. So, given the minister has refinements to water services. So, given the minister has spent refinements to water services. So, given the minister has spent a refinements to water services. So, given the minister has spent a lot given the minister has spent a lot of given the minister has spent a lot of time given the minister has spent a lot of time talking given the minister has spent a lot of time talking about given the minister has spent a lot of time talking about the given the minister has spent a lot of time talking about the need given the minister has spent a lot of time talking about the need to of time talking about the need to act of time talking about the need to act quickly, of time talking about the need to act quickly, I of time talking about the need to act quickly, I would of time talking about the need to act quickly, I would like of time talking about the need to act quickly, I would like to act quickly, I would like to minister act quickly, I would like to minister to act quickly, I would like to minister to explain act quickly, I would like to minister to explain to act quickly, I would like to minister to explain to the act quickly, I would like to minister to explain to the House act quickly, I would like to minister to explain to the House why minister to explain to the House why it minister to explain to the House why it is minister to explain to the House why it is we minister to explain to the House why it is we have minister to explain to the House why it is we have to minister to explain to the House why it is we have to wait minister to explain to the House why it is we have to wait until minister to explain to the House why it is we have to wait until next it is we have to wait until next year it is we have to wait until next year until it is we have to wait until next year until we it is we have to wait until next year until we can it is we have to wait until next year until we can have it is we have to wait until next year until we can have the year until we can have the implementation year until we can have the implementation of year until we can have the implementation of the year until we can have the implementation of the full year until we can have the implementation of the full lot. year until we can have the implementation of the full lot. 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Which provides the minister - providing for the the minister - providing for the minister the minister - providing for the minister to the minister - providing for the minister to assist the minister - providing for the minister to assist or the minister - providing for the minister to assist or intervene the minister - providing for the minister to assist or intervene if minister to assist or intervene if territorial minister to assist or intervene if territorial authorities minister to assist or intervene if territorial authorities find minister to assist or intervene if territorial authorities find it territorial authorities find it difficult territorial authorities find it difficult to territorial authorities find it difficult to prepare territorial authorities find it difficult to prepare a territorial authorities find it difficult to prepare a water difficult to prepare a water services difficult to prepare a water services delivery difficult to prepare a water services delivery plan. difficult to prepare a water services delivery plan. Now, difficult to prepare a water services delivery plan. Now, Madam services delivery plan. Now, Madam Speaker, services delivery plan. Now, Madam Speaker, the services delivery plan. Now, Madam Speaker, the Government services delivery plan. Now, Madam Speaker, the Government has services delivery plan. Now, Madam Speaker, the Government has made services delivery plan. 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New Zealand through localism and flexibility. We've New Zealand through localism and flexibility. We've heard New Zealand through localism and flexibility. We've heard that New Zealand through localism and flexibility. We've heard that word flexibility. We've heard that word bandied flexibility. We've heard that word bandied out flexibility. We've heard that word bandied out a flexibility. We've heard that word bandied out a lot flexibility. We've heard that word bandied out a lot in flexibility. We've heard that word bandied out a lot in the flexibility. We've heard that word bandied out a lot in the election bandied out a lot in the election campaign, bandied out a lot in the election campaign, and bandied out a lot in the election campaign, and certainly bandied out a lot in the election campaign, and certainly in bandied out a lot in the election campaign, and certainly in the bandied out a lot in the election campaign, and certainly in the first campaign, and certainly in the first nine campaign, and certainly in the first nine months campaign, and certainly in the first nine months of campaign, and certainly in the first nine months of government. campaign, and certainly in the first nine months of government. So, campaign, and certainly in the first nine months of government. So, what nine months of government. So, what I nine months of government. So, what I would nine months of government. So, what I would like nine months of government. So, what I would like some nine months of government. So, what I would like some discussion nine months of government. So, what I would like some discussion on nine months of government. So, what I would like some discussion on in I would like some discussion on in this I would like some discussion on in this House, I would like some discussion on in this House, while I would like some discussion on in this House, while we're I would like some discussion on in this House, while we're on I would like some discussion on in this House, while we're on this this House, while we're on this purpose this House, while we're on this purpose clause, this House, while we're on this purpose clause, which this House, while we're on this purpose clause, which does this House, while we're on this purpose clause, which does introduce purpose clause, which does introduce the purpose clause, which does introduce the idea purpose clause, which does introduce the idea the purpose clause, which does introduce the idea the minister purpose clause, which does introduce the idea the minister can purpose clause, which does introduce the idea the minister can assist purpose clause, which does introduce the idea the minister can assist or the idea the minister can assist or intervene the idea the minister can assist or intervene and the idea the minister can assist or intervene and come the idea the minister can assist or intervene and come in the idea the minister can assist or intervene and come in the the idea the minister can assist or intervene and come in the -- the idea the minister can assist or intervene and come in the -- come the idea the minister can assist or intervene and come in the -- come in intervene and come in the -- come in if intervene and come in the -- come in if there's intervene and come in the -- come in if there's a intervene and come in the -- come in if there's a failure intervene and come in the -- come in if there's a failure to intervene and come in the -- come in if there's a failure to prepare intervene and come in the -- come in if there's a failure to prepare a if there's a failure to prepare a water if there's a failure to prepare a water service if there's a failure to prepare a water service delivery if there's a failure to prepare a water service delivery plan, if there's a failure to prepare a water service delivery plan, I if there's a failure to prepare a water service delivery plan, I would water service delivery plan, I would like water service delivery plan, I would like the water service delivery plan, I would like the discussion water service delivery plan, I would like the discussion when water service delivery plan, I would like the discussion when the like the discussion when the minister like the discussion when the minister sees like the discussion when the minister sees some like the discussion when the minister sees some red like the discussion when the minister sees some red lines like the discussion when the minister sees some red lines when minister sees some red lines when he'll minister sees some red lines when he'll intervene, minister sees some red lines when he'll intervene, when minister sees some red lines when he'll intervene, when the minister sees some red lines when he'll intervene, when the minister he'll intervene, when the minister will he'll intervene, when the minister will come he'll intervene, when the minister will come over he'll intervene, when the minister will come over the he'll intervene, when the minister will come over the top he'll intervene, when the minister will come over the top of he'll intervene, when the minister will come over the top of local will come over the top of local authorities, will come over the top of local authorities, when will come over the top of local authorities, when will will come over the top of local authorities, when will it will come over the top of local authorities, when will it be authorities, when will it be decisions authorities, when will it be decisions made authorities, when will it be decisions made in authorities, when will it be decisions made in Wellington authorities, when will it be decisions made in Wellington about decisions made in Wellington about local decisions made in Wellington about local water decisions made in Wellington about local water services, decisions made in Wellington about local water services, and decisions made in Wellington about local water services, and exactly local water services, and exactly where local water services, and exactly where he local water services, and exactly where he sees local water services, and exactly where he sees that local water services, and exactly where he sees that evolving local water services, and exactly where he sees that evolving into local water services, and exactly where he sees that evolving into the where he sees that evolving into the third where he sees that evolving into the third piece where he sees that evolving into the third piece of where he sees that evolving into the third piece of legislation, where he sees that evolving into the third piece of legislation, because third piece of legislation, because I third piece of legislation, because I think third piece of legislation, because I think this third piece of legislation, because I think this piece third piece of legislation, because I think this piece of third piece of legislation, because I think this piece of legislation I think this piece of legislation that I think this piece of legislation that we're I think this piece of legislation that we're debating I think this piece of legislation that we're debating in I think this piece of legislation that we're debating in the I think this piece of legislation that we're debating in the House I think this piece of legislation that we're debating in the House is that we're debating in the House is not that we're debating in the House is not probably that we're debating in the House is not probably quite that we're debating in the House is not probably quite as that we're debating in the House is not probably quite as local that we're debating in the House is not probably quite as local as not probably quite as local as members not probably quite as local as members on not probably quite as local as members on the not probably quite as local as members on the Government not probably quite as local as members on the Government benches members on the Government benches would members on the Government benches would like members on the Government benches would like to members on the Government benches would like to sell members on the Government benches would like to sell to members on the Government benches would like to sell to their would like to sell to their communities, would like to sell to their communities, there's would like to sell to their communities, there's certainly communities, there's certainly through communities, there's certainly through this communities, there's certainly through this clause communities, there's certainly through this clause here communities, there's certainly through this clause here a communities, there's certainly through this clause here a very through this clause here a very strong through this clause here a very strong ministerial through this clause here a very strong ministerial override through this clause here a very strong ministerial override which strong ministerial override which does strong ministerial override which does amount strong ministerial override which does amount to strong ministerial override which does amount to a strong ministerial override which does amount to a centralised strong ministerial override which does amount to a centralised control does amount to a centralised control of does amount to a centralised control of water does amount to a centralised control of water services does amount to a centralised control of water services and does amount to a centralised control of water services and I does amount to a centralised control of water services and I think does amount to a centralised control of water services and I think we of water services and I think we need of water services and I think we need some of water services and I think we need some extensive of water services and I think we need some extensive conversation need some extensive conversation around need some extensive conversation around that. need some extensive conversation around that. Introduced need some extensive conversation around that. Introduced in need some extensive conversation around that. Introduced in the around that. Introduced in the purpose around that. Introduced in the purpose statement, around that. Introduced in the purpose statement, Madam around that. Introduced in the purpose statement, Madam Chair, around that. Introduced in the purpose statement, Madam Chair, and purpose statement, Madam Chair, and we'll purpose statement, Madam Chair, and we'll have purpose statement, Madam Chair, and we'll have a purpose statement, Madam Chair, and we'll have a number purpose statement, Madam Chair, and we'll have a number of purpose statement, Madam Chair, and we'll have a number of questions we'll have a number of questions around we'll have a number of questions around what we'll have a number of questions around what the we'll have a number of questions around what the triggers we'll have a number of questions around what the triggers will we'll have a number of questions around what the triggers will be, around what the triggers will be, what around what the triggers will be, what the around what the triggers will be, what the levers around what the triggers will be, what the levers are, around what the triggers will be, what the levers are, so around what the triggers will be, what the levers are, so they're around what the triggers will be, what the levers are, so they're my what the levers are, so they're my questions what the levers are, so they're my questions for what the levers are, so they're my questions for the what the levers are, so they're my questions for the minister. what the levers are, so they're my questions for the minister. It's questions for the minister. It's around questions for the minister. It's around why questions for the minister. It's around why so questions for the minister. It's around why so long questions for the minister. It's around why so long for questions for the minister. It's around why so long for the questions for the minister. It's around why so long for the third around why so long for the third part around why so long for the third part of around why so long for the third part of the around why so long for the third part of the trilogy? around why so long for the third part of the trilogy? I around why so long for the third part of the trilogy? I think part of the trilogy? I think everyone part of the trilogy? I think everyone always part of the trilogy? I think everyone always wants part of the trilogy? I think everyone always wants the part of the trilogy? I think everyone always wants the third part of the trilogy? I think everyone always wants the third part everyone always wants the third part of everyone always wants the third part of a everyone always wants the third part of a trilogy everyone always wants the third part of a trilogy sooner, everyone always wants the third part of a trilogy sooner, no everyone always wants the third part of a trilogy sooner, no different of a trilogy sooner, no different whether of a trilogy sooner, no different whether it of a trilogy sooner, no different whether it comes of a trilogy sooner, no different whether it comes to of a trilogy sooner, no different whether it comes to this whether it comes to this legislation. whether it comes to this legislation. What whether it comes to this legislation. What are whether it comes to this legislation. What are the whether it comes to this legislation. What are the triggers legislation. What are the triggers when legislation. What are the triggers when the legislation. What are the triggers when the minister legislation. What are the triggers when the minister will legislation. What are the triggers when the minister will come legislation. What are the triggers when the minister will come over legislation. What are the triggers when the minister will come over the when the minister will come over the top when the minister will come over the top of when the minister will come over the top of local when the minister will come over the top of local authorities, when the minister will come over the top of local authorities, override top of local authorities, override them, top of local authorities, override them, impose top of local authorities, override them, impose his top of local authorities, override them, impose his will, top of local authorities, override them, impose his will, and top of local authorities, override them, impose his will, and where them, impose his will, and where does them, impose his will, and where does he them, impose his will, and where does he see them, impose his will, and where does he see that them, impose his will, and where does he see that red them, impose his will, and where does he see that red line? them, impose his will, and where does he see that red line? Thank does he see that red line? Thank you. does he see that red line? Thank you. The does he see that red line? Thank you. The Hon does he see that red line? Thank you. The Hon Simeon does he see that red line? Thank you. The Hon Simeon Brown. does he see that red line? Thank you. The Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you. The Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you, you. The Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you, Madam you. The Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you, Madam Chair. you. The Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you, Madam Chair. I you. The Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you, Madam Chair. I thank you. The Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you, Madam Chair. I thank the you. The Hon Simeon Brown. Thank you, Madam Chair. I thank the member you, Madam Chair. I thank the member for you, Madam Chair. I thank the member for her you, Madam Chair. I thank the member for her questions. you, Madam Chair. I thank the member for her questions. And you, Madam Chair. I thank the member for her questions. And I you, Madam Chair. I thank the member for her questions. And I think you, Madam Chair. I thank the member for her questions. And I think the for her questions. And I think the member, for her questions. And I think the member, in for her questions. And I think the member, in terms for her questions. And I think the member, in terms of for her questions. And I think the member, in terms of the for her questions. And I think the member, in terms of the question for her questions. 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Firstly, the significant changes it makes does. Firstly, the significant changes it makes for does. Firstly, the significant changes it makes for Watercare does. Firstly, the significant changes it makes for Watercare in changes it makes for Watercare in Auckland, changes it makes for Watercare in Auckland, providing changes it makes for Watercare in Auckland, providing a changes it makes for Watercare in Auckland, providing a financially Auckland, providing a financially sustainable Auckland, providing a financially sustainable approach Auckland, providing a financially sustainable approach to Auckland, providing a financially sustainable approach to water sustainable approach to water infrastructure sustainable approach to water infrastructure in sustainable approach to water infrastructure in Auckland. sustainable approach to water infrastructure in Auckland. That's infrastructure in Auckland. That's something infrastructure in Auckland. 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But I think if we look at one council, 11.5% rates increases council, 11.5% rates increases because council, 11.5% rates increases because of council, 11.5% rates increases because of the council, 11.5% rates increases because of the increased council, 11.5% rates increases because of the increased cost council, 11.5% rates increases because of the increased cost of because of the increased cost of needing because of the increased cost of needing to because of the increased cost of needing to account because of the increased cost of needing to account for because of the increased cost of needing to account for water needing to account for water infrastructure. needing to account for water infrastructure. Auckland needing to account for water infrastructure. Auckland Council, infrastructure. Auckland Council, around infrastructure. Auckland Council, around 25% infrastructure. Auckland Council, around 25% rates infrastructure. Auckland Council, around 25% rates increases. infrastructure. Auckland Council, around 25% rates increases. Buller around 25% rates increases. Buller District around 25% rates increases. Buller District Council, around 25% rates increases. Buller District Council, 31.8% around 25% rates increases. Buller District Council, 31.8% rates District Council, 31.8% rates increases. District Council, 31.8% rates increases. Cluthe District Council, 31.8% rates increases. Cluthe District District Council, 31.8% rates increases. Cluthe District Council, increases. Cluthe District Council, 20% increases. Cluthe District Council, 20% for increases. Cluthe District Council, 20% for one increases. Cluthe District Council, 20% for one year. increases. Cluthe District Council, 20% for one year. Gisborne, increases. Cluthe District Council, 20% for one year. Gisborne, 11.4%. 20% for one year. Gisborne, 11.4%. Hamilton 20% for one year. Gisborne, 11.4%. Hamilton City 20% for one year. Gisborne, 11.4%. Hamilton City Council, 20% for one year. Gisborne, 11.4%. Hamilton City Council, 25.5%. Hamilton City Council, 25.5%. Followed Hamilton City Council, 25.5%. Followed by Hamilton City Council, 25.5%. Followed by 14.1% Hamilton City Council, 25.5%. Followed by 14.1% for Hamilton City Council, 25.5%. Followed by 14.1% for four Hamilton City Council, 25.5%. Followed by 14.1% for four years. Followed by 14.1% for four years. Hutt Followed by 14.1% for four years. Hutt City Followed by 14.1% for four years. Hutt City Council, Followed by 14.1% for four years. Hutt City Council, 16.9%. Followed by 14.1% for four years. Hutt City Council, 16.9%. Wellington Hutt City Council, 16.9%. Wellington City, Hutt City Council, 16.9%. Wellington City, 13.8% Hutt City Council, 16.9%. Wellington City, 13.8% to Hutt City Council, 16.9%. Wellington City, 13.8% to 15.4% Hutt City Council, 16.9%. Wellington City, 13.8% to 15.4% rates City, 13.8% to 15.4% rates increases. City, 13.8% to 15.4% rates increases. And City, 13.8% to 15.4% rates increases. And then City, 13.8% to 15.4% rates increases. And then the City, 13.8% to 15.4% rates increases. And then the RIS increases. And then the RIS helpfully increases. And then the RIS helpfully goes increases. And then the RIS helpfully goes through, increases. And then the RIS helpfully goes through, Madam helpfully goes through, Madam Speaker, helpfully goes through, Madam Speaker, why helpfully goes through, Madam Speaker, why it helpfully goes through, Madam Speaker, why it is helpfully goes through, Madam Speaker, why it is in helpfully goes through, Madam Speaker, why it is in which helpfully goes through, Madam Speaker, why it is in which a Speaker, why it is in which a particular Speaker, why it is in which a particular piece Speaker, why it is in which a particular piece of Speaker, why it is in which a particular piece of water particular piece of water infrastructure, particular piece of water infrastructure, because particular piece of water infrastructure, because the particular piece of water infrastructure, because the previous infrastructure, because the previous reforms infrastructure, because the previous reforms are infrastructure, because the previous reforms are being infrastructure, because the previous reforms are being repealed, infrastructure, because the previous reforms are being repealed, why infrastructure, because the previous reforms are being repealed, why that reforms are being repealed, why that is reforms are being repealed, why that is putting reforms are being repealed, why that is putting more reforms are being repealed, why that is putting more pressure reforms are being repealed, why that is putting more pressure on is putting more pressure on councils. is putting more pressure on councils. So, is putting more pressure on councils. So, when is putting more pressure on councils. So, when the is putting more pressure on councils. So, when the Minister is putting more pressure on councils. So, when the Minister says councils. So, when the Minister says that councils. So, when the Minister says that councils councils. So, when the Minister says that councils will councils. So, when the Minister says that councils will find councils. 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Or 3.2(b), that the Minister has in mind for "difficult"? Or are 3.2(b), that the Minister has in mind for "difficult"? Or are there mind for "difficult"? Or are there some mind for "difficult"? Or are there some other mind for "difficult"? Or are there some other kinds mind for "difficult"? Or are there some other kinds of mind for "difficult"? Or are there some other kinds of difficult mind for "difficult"? Or are there some other kinds of difficult other some other kinds of difficult other than some other kinds of difficult other than double-digit some other kinds of difficult other than double-digit rate some other kinds of difficult other than double-digit rate rises some other kinds of difficult other than double-digit rate rises that than double-digit rate rises that this than double-digit rate rises that this is than double-digit rate rises that this is imposing than double-digit rate rises that this is imposing on than double-digit rate rises that this is imposing on ratepayers this is imposing on ratepayers around this is imposing on ratepayers around the this is imposing on ratepayers around the country, this is imposing on ratepayers around the country, that's this is imposing on ratepayers around the country, that's just this is imposing on ratepayers around the country, that's just a around the country, that's just a small around the country, that's just a small subsection around the country, that's just a small subsection of around the country, that's just a small subsection of councils. around the country, that's just a small subsection of councils. 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And there is no reference at all to iwi there is no reference at all to iwi and there is no reference at all to iwi and hapu there is no reference at all to iwi and hapu participation there is no reference at all to iwi and hapu participation in there is no reference at all to iwi and hapu participation in the and hapu participation in the delivery and hapu participation in the delivery and and hapu participation in the delivery and decision-making and hapu participation in the delivery and decision-making in delivery and decision-making in respect delivery and decision-making in respect of delivery and decision-making in respect of the delivery and decision-making in respect of the mechanisms delivery and decision-making in respect of the mechanisms proposed. respect of the mechanisms proposed. It respect of the mechanisms proposed. It is respect of the mechanisms proposed. It is quite respect of the mechanisms proposed. It is quite an respect of the mechanisms proposed. It is quite an extraordinary respect of the mechanisms proposed. 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I would like the Minister to explain why that has the Minister to explain why that has been the Minister to explain why that has been removed the Minister to explain why that has been removed entirely the Minister to explain why that has been removed entirely from the Minister to explain why that has been removed entirely from the been removed entirely from the Purpose been removed entirely from the Purpose of been removed entirely from the Purpose of the been removed entirely from the Purpose of the Act. been removed entirely from the Purpose of the Act. Further been removed entirely from the Purpose of the Act. Further down, been removed entirely from the Purpose of the Act. Further down, we Purpose of the Act. Further down, we see Purpose of the Act. Further down, we see other Purpose of the Act. Further down, we see other purposes Purpose of the Act. Further down, we see other purposes - Purpose of the Act. Further down, we see other purposes - providing Purpose of the Act. 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I wonder if the Minister can give us an assurance Minister can give us an assurance that Minister can give us an assurance that water Minister can give us an assurance that water services Minister can give us an assurance that water services infrastructure that water services infrastructure will that water services infrastructure will be that water services infrastructure will be retained that water services infrastructure will be retained in that water services infrastructure will be retained in public will be retained in public ownership? will be retained in public ownership? And will be retained in public ownership? And why will be retained in public ownership? And why would will be retained in public ownership? And why would that will be retained in public ownership? And why would that not will be retained in public ownership? And why would that not be ownership? And why would that not be kept ownership? And why would that not be kept or ownership? 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And how does it mesh with the And how does it mesh with the Purpose And how does it mesh with the Purpose Statement And how does it mesh with the Purpose Statement of And how does it mesh with the Purpose Statement of this Purpose Statement of this legislation? Purpose Statement of this legislation? I Purpose Statement of this legislation? I think Purpose Statement of this legislation? I think one Purpose Statement of this legislation? I think one of Purpose Statement of this legislation? I think one of the legislation? I think one of the submissions legislation? I think one of the submissions that legislation? I think one of the submissions that I legislation? I think one of the submissions that I was legislation? I think one of the submissions that I was most legislation? I think one of the submissions that I was most drawn legislation? 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Over three years, and ratepayers in West Port could see ratepayers in West Port could see water ratepayers in West Port could see water charges ratepayers in West Port could see water charges rise ratepayers in West Port could see water charges rise from ratepayers in West Port could see water charges rise from $2,300 ratepayers in West Port could see water charges rise from $2,300 to water charges rise from $2,300 to over water charges rise from $2,300 to over $4,000 water charges rise from $2,300 to over $4,000 just water charges rise from $2,300 to over $4,000 just four water charges rise from $2,300 to over $4,000 just four years water charges rise from $2,300 to over $4,000 just four years from over $4,000 just four years from now. over $4,000 just four years from now. Under over $4,000 just four years from now. Under the over $4,000 just four years from now. Under the provisions over $4,000 just four years from now. Under the provisions that over $4,000 just four years from now. Under the provisions that we've now. Under the provisions that we've got now. Under the provisions that we've got in now. Under the provisions that we've got in front now. Under the provisions that we've got in front of now. Under the provisions that we've got in front of us, now. Under the provisions that we've got in front of us, that now. Under the provisions that we've got in front of us, that that's now. Under the provisions that we've got in front of us, that that's the got in front of us, that that's the kind got in front of us, that that's the kind of got in front of us, that that's the kind of costs got in front of us, that that's the kind of costs that got in front of us, that that's the kind of costs that the got in front of us, that that's the kind of costs that the people got in front of us, that that's the kind of costs that the people in kind of costs that the people in West kind of costs that the people in West Port kind of costs that the people in West Port would kind of costs that the people in West Port would need kind of costs that the people in West Port would need to kind of costs that the people in West Port would need to bear kind of costs that the people in West Port would need to bear because West Port would need to bear because of West Port would need to bear because of this West Port would need to bear because of this fear West Port would need to bear because of this fear that West Port would need to bear because of this fear that they West Port would need to bear because of this fear that they would West Port would need to bear because of this fear that they would be of this fear that they would be orphaned of this fear that they would be orphaned and of this fear that they would be orphaned and left of this fear that they would be orphaned and left on of this fear that they would be orphaned and left on their of this fear that they would be orphaned and left on their own. of this fear that they would be orphaned and left on their own. The orphaned and left on their own. The idea orphaned and left on their own. The idea that orphaned and left on their own. The idea that councils orphaned and left on their own. The idea that councils would orphaned and left on their own. The idea that councils would band idea that councils would band together idea that councils would band together to idea that councils would band together to spread idea that councils would band together to spread the idea that councils would band together to spread the costs, idea that councils would band together to spread the costs, we together to spread the costs, we heard together to spread the costs, we heard from together to spread the costs, we heard from a together to spread the costs, we heard from a number together to spread the costs, we heard from a number of together to spread the costs, we heard from a number of mayors together to spread the costs, we heard from a number of mayors that, heard from a number of mayors that, under heard from a number of mayors that, under the heard from a number of mayors that, under the framework heard from a number of mayors that, under the framework that's heard from a number of mayors that, under the framework that's been heard from a number of mayors that, under the framework that's been put under the framework that's been put forward under the framework that's been put forward by under the framework that's been put forward by the under the framework that's been put forward by the Government, under the framework that's been put forward by the Government, that's forward by the Government, that's just forward by the Government, that's just not forward by the Government, that's just not going forward by the Government, that's just not going to forward by the Government, that's just not going to happen. forward by the Government, that's just not going to happen. So, forward by the Government, that's just not going to happen. So, the just not going to happen. So, the question just not going to happen. So, the question for just not going to happen. So, the question for the just not going to happen. So, the question for the Minister just not going to happen. So, the question for the Minister in just not going to happen. So, the question for the Minister in the question for the Minister in the chair question for the Minister in the chair is question for the Minister in the chair is to question for the Minister in the chair is to give question for the Minister in the chair is to give us question for the Minister in the chair is to give us some question for the Minister in the chair is to give us some more chair is to give us some more clarity chair is to give us some more clarity around chair is to give us some more clarity around what chair is to give us some more clarity around what "difficulty" chair is to give us some more clarity around what "difficulty" in clarity around what "difficulty" in 3.2b clarity around what "difficulty" in 3.2b means. clarity around what "difficulty" in 3.2b means. Is clarity around what "difficulty" in 3.2b means. Is this clarity around what "difficulty" in 3.2b means. Is this what clarity around what "difficulty" in 3.2b means. Is this what would 3.2b means. Is this what would constitute 3.2b means. Is this what would constitute difficulty, 3.2b means. Is this what would constitute difficulty, orphaned constitute difficulty, orphaned councils? constitute difficulty, orphaned councils? Is constitute difficulty, orphaned councils? Is this constitute difficulty, orphaned councils? Is this is constitute difficulty, orphaned councils? Is this is the constitute difficulty, orphaned councils? Is this is the type constitute difficulty, orphaned councils? Is this is the type of councils? Is this is the type of scenario councils? Is this is the type of scenario that councils? Is this is the type of scenario that would councils? Is this is the type of scenario that would see councils? Is this is the type of scenario that would see the councils? Is this is the type of scenario that would see the Minister scenario that would see the Minister come scenario that would see the Minister come in scenario that would see the Minister come in and scenario that would see the Minister come in and enforce scenario that would see the Minister come in and enforce groupings scenario that would see the Minister come in and enforce groupings to come in and enforce groupings to come come in and enforce groupings to come together? come in and enforce groupings to come together? Is come in and enforce groupings to come together? Is that come in and enforce groupings to come together? Is that the come in and enforce groupings to come together? Is that the kind come in and enforce groupings to come together? Is that the kind of come together? Is that the kind of things come together? Is that the kind of things that come together? Is that the kind of things that he's come together? Is that the kind of things that he's seeing come together? Is that the kind of things that he's seeing in come together? Is that the kind of things that he's seeing in terms come together? Is that the kind of things that he's seeing in terms of things that he's seeing in terms of the things that he's seeing in terms of the purpose things that he's seeing in terms of the purpose of things that he's seeing in terms of the purpose of the things that he's seeing in terms of the purpose of the bill? things that he's seeing in terms of the purpose of the bill? Or things that he's seeing in terms of the purpose of the bill? Or is things that he's seeing in terms of the purpose of the bill? Or is he the purpose of the bill? Or is he prepared the purpose of the bill? Or is he prepared for the purpose of the bill? Or is he prepared for the the purpose of the bill? Or is he prepared for the residents the purpose of the bill? Or is he prepared for the residents of the purpose of the bill? Or is he prepared for the residents of places prepared for the residents of places like prepared for the residents of places like West prepared for the residents of places like West Port prepared for the residents of places like West Port to prepared for the residents of places like West Port to face prepared for the residents of places like West Port to face that prepared for the residents of places like West Port to face that rise like West Port to face that rise from like West Port to face that rise from $2,300 like West Port to face that rise from $2,300 to like West Port to face that rise from $2,300 to $4,000 like West Port to face that rise from $2,300 to $4,000 over like West Port to face that rise from $2,300 to $4,000 over just like West Port to face that rise from $2,300 to $4,000 over just four from $2,300 to $4,000 over just four years, from $2,300 to $4,000 over just four years, for from $2,300 to $4,000 over just four years, for them from $2,300 to $4,000 over just four years, for them to from $2,300 to $4,000 over just four years, for them to absorb from $2,300 to $4,000 over just four years, for them to absorb those years, for them to absorb those costs? years, for them to absorb those costs? Is years, for them to absorb those costs? Is that years, for them to absorb those costs? Is that the years, for them to absorb those costs? Is that the kind years, for them to absorb those costs? Is that the kind of years, for them to absorb those costs? Is that the kind of thing costs? Is that the kind of thing that costs? Is that the kind of thing that he costs? Is that the kind of thing that he sees costs? Is that the kind of thing that he sees as costs? Is that the kind of thing that he sees as difficult? costs? Is that the kind of thing that he sees as difficult? Or costs? Is that the kind of thing that he sees as difficult? Or in that he sees as difficult? Or in warranting that he sees as difficult? Or in warranting ministerial that he sees as difficult? Or in warranting ministerial direction? warranting ministerial direction? I'm warranting ministerial direction? I'm still warranting ministerial direction? I'm still unclear warranting ministerial direction? I'm still unclear and warranting ministerial direction? I'm still unclear and I warranting ministerial direction? I'm still unclear and I think warranting ministerial direction? I'm still unclear and I think this I'm still unclear and I think this House I'm still unclear and I think this House needs I'm still unclear and I think this House needs to I'm still unclear and I think this House needs to understand I'm still unclear and I think this House needs to understand that, House needs to understand that, Madam House needs to understand that, Madam Speaker. House needs to understand that, Madam Speaker. Ingrid House needs to understand that, Madam Speaker. Ingrid Leary. House needs to understand that, Madam Speaker. Ingrid Leary. Thank Madam Speaker. Ingrid Leary. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ingrid Leary. Thank you, Madam Madam Speaker. Ingrid Leary. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker. Ingrid Leary. Thank you, Madam Speaker. I've Madam Speaker. Ingrid Leary. Thank you, Madam Speaker. I've got Madam Speaker. Ingrid Leary. Thank you, Madam Speaker. I've got a you, Madam Speaker. I've got a question you, Madam Speaker. I've got a question for you, Madam Speaker. I've got a question for the you, Madam Speaker. I've got a question for the Minister you, Madam Speaker. I've got a question for the Minister - you, Madam Speaker. I've got a question for the Minister - I've you, Madam Speaker. I've got a question for the Minister - I've got question for the Minister - I've got a question for the Minister - I've got a number question for the Minister - I've got a number of question for the Minister - I've got a number of questions, question for the Minister - I've got a number of questions, actually, a number of questions, actually, relating a number of questions, actually, relating to a number of questions, actually, relating to part a number of questions, actually, relating to part 1 a number of questions, actually, relating to part 1 and a number of questions, actually, relating to part 1 and the a number of questions, actually, relating to part 1 and the purpose relating to part 1 and the purpose of relating to part 1 and the purpose of the relating to part 1 and the purpose of the bill relating to part 1 and the purpose of the bill to relating to part 1 and the purpose of the bill to manage relating to part 1 and the purpose of the bill to manage and relating to part 1 and the purpose of the bill to manage and deliver of the bill to manage and deliver water of the bill to manage and deliver water services. of the bill to manage and deliver water services. And of the bill to manage and deliver water services. And I'm of the bill to manage and deliver water services. And I'm wondering of the bill to manage and deliver water services. And I'm wondering if water services. And I'm wondering if he water services. And I'm wondering if he can water services. And I'm wondering if he can explain water services. And I'm wondering if he can explain to water services. And I'm wondering if he can explain to me, water services. And I'm wondering if he can explain to me, in water services. And I'm wondering if he can explain to me, in a water services. And I'm wondering if he can explain to me, in a number water services. And I'm wondering if he can explain to me, in a number of he can explain to me, in a number of scenarios, he can explain to me, in a number of scenarios, what he can explain to me, in a number of scenarios, what those he can explain to me, in a number of scenarios, what those words he can explain to me, in a number of scenarios, what those words "manage" scenarios, what those words "manage" and scenarios, what those words "manage" and "deliver" scenarios, what those words "manage" and "deliver" mean. scenarios, what those words "manage" and "deliver" mean. My scenarios, what those words "manage" and "deliver" mean. My first and "deliver" mean. My first reference and "deliver" mean. My first reference point and "deliver" mean. My first reference point would and "deliver" mean. My first reference point would be and "deliver" mean. My first reference point would be the and "deliver" mean. My first reference point would be the Cluther reference point would be the Cluther Council, reference point would be the Cluther Council, which reference point would be the Cluther Council, which could reference point would be the Cluther Council, which could well reference point would be the Cluther Council, which could well be reference point would be the Cluther Council, which could well be one reference point would be the Cluther Council, which could well be one of Council, which could well be one of those Council, which could well be one of those orphaned Council, which could well be one of those orphaned councils. Council, which could well be one of those orphaned councils. Originally, those orphaned councils. Originally, the those orphaned councils. Originally, the residents those orphaned councils. Originally, the residents in those orphaned councils. Originally, the residents in my those orphaned councils. Originally, the residents in my electorate those orphaned councils. Originally, the residents in my electorate were the residents in my electorate were looking the residents in my electorate were looking at the residents in my electorate were looking at up the residents in my electorate were looking at up to the residents in my electorate were looking at up to a the residents in my electorate were looking at up to a 20% the residents in my electorate were looking at up to a 20% rates looking at up to a 20% rates increase. looking at up to a 20% rates increase. The looking at up to a 20% rates increase. The council looking at up to a 20% rates increase. The council has looking at up to a 20% rates increase. The council has opted looking at up to a 20% rates increase. The council has opted to increase. The council has opted to do increase. The council has opted to do less increase. The council has opted to do less than increase. The council has opted to do less than that, increase. The council has opted to do less than that, but increase. The council has opted to do less than that, but that increase. The council has opted to do less than that, but that is increase. The council has opted to do less than that, but that is not do less than that, but that is not gonna do less than that, but that is not gonna fix do less than that, but that is not gonna fix the do less than that, but that is not gonna fix the water do less than that, but that is not gonna fix the water problems. do less than that, but that is not gonna fix the water problems. So, gonna fix the water problems. So, we're gonna fix the water problems. So, we're going gonna fix the water problems. So, we're going to gonna fix the water problems. So, we're going to end gonna fix the water problems. So, we're going to end up gonna fix the water problems. So, we're going to end up with gonna fix the water problems. So, we're going to end up with a we're going to end up with a scenario we're going to end up with a scenario where we're going to end up with a scenario where the we're going to end up with a scenario where the councils we're going to end up with a scenario where the councils are scenario where the councils are trying scenario where the councils are trying to scenario where the councils are trying to keep scenario where the councils are trying to keep the scenario where the councils are trying to keep the rates scenario where the councils are trying to keep the rates down scenario where the councils are trying to keep the rates down to trying to keep the rates down to allow trying to keep the rates down to allow quite trying to keep the rates down to allow quite a trying to keep the rates down to allow quite a senior trying to keep the rates down to allow quite a senior population trying to keep the rates down to allow quite a senior population to allow quite a senior population to potentially allow quite a senior population to potentially stay allow quite a senior population to potentially stay in allow quite a senior population to potentially stay in their allow quite a senior population to potentially stay in their own allow quite a senior population to potentially stay in their own homes, potentially stay in their own homes, and potentially stay in their own homes, and yet potentially stay in their own homes, and yet the potentially stay in their own homes, and yet the water potentially stay in their own homes, and yet the water infrastructure and yet the water infrastructure will and yet the water infrastructure will not and yet the water infrastructure will not be and yet the water infrastructure will not be fixed and yet the water infrastructure will not be fixed and and yet the water infrastructure will not be fixed and they and yet the water infrastructure will not be fixed and they will and yet the water infrastructure will not be fixed and they will have will not be fixed and they will have difficulties will not be fixed and they will have difficulties and will not be fixed and they will have difficulties and they will not be fixed and they will have difficulties and they will will not be fixed and they will have difficulties and they will be difficulties and they will be probably, difficulties and they will be probably, very difficulties and they will be probably, very likely, difficulties and they will be probably, very likely, orphaned. difficulties and they will be probably, very likely, orphaned. So, probably, very likely, orphaned. So, this probably, very likely, orphaned. So, this has probably, very likely, orphaned. So, this has been probably, very likely, orphaned. So, this has been an probably, very likely, orphaned. So, this has been an absolute probably, very likely, orphaned. So, this has been an absolute headache this has been an absolute headache for this has been an absolute headache for the this has been an absolute headache for the small this has been an absolute headache for the small councils this has been an absolute headache for the small councils down this has been an absolute headache for the small councils down in this has been an absolute headache for the small councils down in the for the small councils down in the lower for the small councils down in the lower South for the small councils down in the lower South Island, for the small councils down in the lower South Island, and for the small councils down in the lower South Island, and I'd for the small councils down in the lower South Island, and I'd like for the small councils down in the lower South Island, and I'd like to lower South Island, and I'd like to hear lower South Island, and I'd like to hear what lower South Island, and I'd like to hear what the lower South Island, and I'd like to hear what the Minister's lower South Island, and I'd like to hear what the Minister's solution lower South Island, and I'd like to hear what the Minister's solution is hear what the Minister's solution is for hear what the Minister's solution is for Cluther hear what the Minister's solution is for Cluther in hear what the Minister's solution is for Cluther in particular. hear what the Minister's solution is for Cluther in particular. Would hear what the Minister's solution is for Cluther in particular. Would he for Cluther in particular. Would he be for Cluther in particular. Would he be requiring for Cluther in particular. Would he be requiring it for Cluther in particular. Would he be requiring it to for Cluther in particular. Would he be requiring it to join for Cluther in particular. Would he be requiring it to join forces, for Cluther in particular. Would he be requiring it to join forces, say, be requiring it to join forces, say, with be requiring it to join forces, say, with Dunedin be requiring it to join forces, say, with Dunedin Council be requiring it to join forces, say, with Dunedin Council or be requiring it to join forces, say, with Dunedin Council or with with Dunedin Council or with Christchurch with Dunedin Council or with Christchurch Council? with Dunedin Council or with Christchurch Council? Or with Dunedin Council or with Christchurch Council? Or does with Dunedin Council or with Christchurch Council? Or does he Christchurch Council? Or does he have Christchurch Council? Or does he have another Christchurch Council? Or does he have another scenario? Christchurch Council? Or does he have another scenario? Would Christchurch Council? Or does he have another scenario? Would there have another scenario? Would there be have another scenario? Would there be a have another scenario? Would there be a bailout? have another scenario? Would there be a bailout? Or have another scenario? Would there be a bailout? Or is have another scenario? Would there be a bailout? Or is this have another scenario? Would there be a bailout? Or is this going have another scenario? Would there be a bailout? Or is this going to have another scenario? Would there be a bailout? Or is this going to be be a bailout? Or is this going to be the be a bailout? Or is this going to be the collapse be a bailout? Or is this going to be the collapse of be a bailout? Or is this going to be the collapse of that be a bailout? Or is this going to be the collapse of that council? the collapse of that council? Because the collapse of that council? Because there the collapse of that council? Because there is the collapse of that council? Because there is no the collapse of that council? Because there is no way the collapse of that council? Because there is no way that the collapse of that council? Because there is no way that the Because there is no way that the people Because there is no way that the people of Because there is no way that the people of Cluther Because there is no way that the people of Cluther can Because there is no way that the people of Cluther can afford Because there is no way that the people of Cluther can afford the people of Cluther can afford the rates people of Cluther can afford the rates rises people of Cluther can afford the rates rises that people of Cluther can afford the rates rises that they people of Cluther can afford the rates rises that they would people of Cluther can afford the rates rises that they would have rates rises that they would have needed, rates rises that they would have needed, minimum, rates rises that they would have needed, minimum, in rates rises that they would have needed, minimum, in the rates rises that they would have needed, minimum, in the 20s, rates rises that they would have needed, minimum, in the 20s, and needed, minimum, in the 20s, and we're needed, minimum, in the 20s, and we're looking needed, minimum, in the 20s, and we're looking at needed, minimum, in the 20s, and we're looking at the needed, minimum, in the 20s, and we're looking at the 30s, needed, minimum, in the 20s, and we're looking at the 30s, going we're looking at the 30s, going forward, we're looking at the 30s, going forward, if we're looking at the 30s, going forward, if they we're looking at the 30s, going forward, if they were we're looking at the 30s, going forward, if they were to we're looking at the 30s, going forward, if they were to actually forward, if they were to actually manage forward, if they were to actually manage water forward, if they were to actually manage water infrastructure. manage water infrastructure. And manage water infrastructure. And would manage water infrastructure. And would it manage water infrastructure. And would it be manage water infrastructure. And would it be difficult manage water infrastructure. And would it be difficult under manage water infrastructure. And would it be difficult under the And would it be difficult under the scenario And would it be difficult under the scenario that And would it be difficult under the scenario that my And would it be difficult under the scenario that my colleague, And would it be difficult under the scenario that my colleague, the And would it be difficult under the scenario that my colleague, the Hon scenario that my colleague, the Hon Dr scenario that my colleague, the Hon Dr Megan scenario that my colleague, the Hon Dr Megan Woods, scenario that my colleague, the Hon Dr Megan Woods, raised scenario that my colleague, the Hon Dr Megan Woods, raised in scenario that my colleague, the Hon Dr Megan Woods, raised in the Dr Megan Woods, raised in the previous Dr Megan Woods, raised in the previous question? Dr Megan Woods, raised in the previous question? My Dr Megan Woods, raised in the previous question? My second Dr Megan Woods, raised in the previous question? My second one previous question? My second one relates previous question? My second one relates to previous question? My second one relates to the previous question? My second one relates to the people previous question? My second one relates to the people in previous question? My second one relates to the people in Eastern relates to the people in Eastern Bush relates to the people in Eastern Bush in relates to the people in Eastern Bush in Invercargill, relates to the people in Eastern Bush in Invercargill, where relates to the people in Eastern Bush in Invercargill, where they Bush in Invercargill, where they haven't Bush in Invercargill, where they haven't had Bush in Invercargill, where they haven't had a Bush in Invercargill, where they haven't had a significant Bush in Invercargill, where they haven't had a significant rates haven't had a significant rates rise. haven't had a significant rates rise. It's haven't had a significant rates rise. It's only haven't had a significant rates rise. It's only about haven't had a significant rates rise. It's only about 10%. haven't had a significant rates rise. It's only about 10%. But rise. It's only about 10%. But they've rise. It's only about 10%. But they've just rise. It's only about 10%. But they've just been rise. It's only about 10%. But they've just been issued rise. It's only about 10%. But they've just been issued a rise. It's only about 10%. But they've just been issued a 3-year they've just been issued a 3-year boiled they've just been issued a 3-year boiled water they've just been issued a 3-year boiled water notice. they've just been issued a 3-year boiled water notice. So, they've just been issued a 3-year boiled water notice. So, that's boiled water notice. So, that's three boiled water notice. So, that's three years boiled water notice. So, that's three years of boiled water notice. So, that's three years of boiled boiled water notice. So, that's three years of boiled water boiled water notice. So, that's three years of boiled water because three years of boiled water because the three years of boiled water because the water three years of boiled water because the water is three years of boiled water because the water is deemed three years of boiled water because the water is deemed dangerous. three years of boiled water because the water is deemed dangerous. There the water is deemed dangerous. There has the water is deemed dangerous. There has been the water is deemed dangerous. There has been no the water is deemed dangerous. There has been no incentive, the water is deemed dangerous. There has been no incentive, I the water is deemed dangerous. There has been no incentive, I guess, the water is deemed dangerous. There has been no incentive, I guess, for has been no incentive, I guess, for that has been no incentive, I guess, for that council has been no incentive, I guess, for that council either has been no incentive, I guess, for that council either to has been no incentive, I guess, for that council either to increase has been no incentive, I guess, for that council either to increase the that council either to increase the rates that council either to increase the rates because that council either to increase the rates because the that council either to increase the rates because the councillors that council either to increase the rates because the councillors know rates because the councillors know this rates because the councillors know this is rates because the councillors know this is the rates because the councillors know this is the end rates because the councillors know this is the end of rates because the councillors know this is the end of their rates because the councillors know this is the end of their political this is the end of their political life, this is the end of their political life, and this is the end of their political life, and if this is the end of their political life, and if there's this is the end of their political life, and if there's not this is the end of their political life, and if there's not gonna this is the end of their political life, and if there's not gonna be this is the end of their political life, and if there's not gonna be a life, and if there's not gonna be a bailout life, and if there's not gonna be a bailout by life, and if there's not gonna be a bailout by the life, and if there's not gonna be a bailout by the Government, life, and if there's not gonna be a bailout by the Government, then life, and if there's not gonna be a bailout by the Government, then I bailout by the Government, then I don't bailout by the Government, then I don't know bailout by the Government, then I don't know what's bailout by the Government, then I don't know what's going bailout by the Government, then I don't know what's going to bailout by the Government, then I don't know what's going to happen. don't know what's going to happen. 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And I know that's a fundamental change know that's a fundamental change from know that's a fundamental change from the know that's a fundamental change from the last know that's a fundamental change from the last Government's know that's a fundamental change from the last Government's approach, from the last Government's approach, where from the last Government's approach, where they from the last Government's approach, where they consolidated from the last Government's approach, where they consolidated and from the last Government's approach, where they consolidated and took from the last Government's approach, where they consolidated and took the where they consolidated and took the assets where they consolidated and took the assets off where they consolidated and took the assets off Local where they consolidated and took the assets off Local Government where they consolidated and took the assets off Local Government and assets off Local Government and imposed assets off Local Government and imposed their assets off Local Government and imposed their approach assets off Local Government and imposed their approach on assets off Local Government and imposed their approach on Local imposed their approach on Local Government imposed their approach on Local Government that imposed their approach on Local Government that was imposed their approach on Local Government that was rejected Government that was rejected resoundingly Government that was rejected resoundingly at Government that was rejected resoundingly at the Government that was rejected resoundingly at the last Government that was rejected resoundingly at the last election. resoundingly at the last election. 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Does he he has cited commercial sensitivities. Does he see he has cited commercial sensitivities. Does he see there he has cited commercial sensitivities. Does he see there is sensitivities. Does he see there is an sensitivities. Does he see there is an end sensitivities. Does he see there is an end point sensitivities. Does he see there is an end point for sensitivities. Does he see there is an end point for those sensitivities. Does he see there is an end point for those commercial an end point for those commercial sensitivities? an end point for those commercial sensitivities? Or an end point for those commercial sensitivities? Or does an end point for those commercial sensitivities? Or does he an end point for those commercial sensitivities? Or does he see an end point for those commercial sensitivities? Or does he see the sensitivities? Or does he see the perpetual sensitivities? Or does he see the perpetual monitoring sensitivities? Or does he see the perpetual monitoring by sensitivities? Or does he see the perpetual monitoring by ratings perpetual monitoring by ratings agencies perpetual monitoring by ratings agencies will perpetual monitoring by ratings agencies will mean perpetual monitoring by ratings agencies will mean we perpetual monitoring by ratings agencies will mean we can perpetual monitoring by ratings agencies will mean we can never agencies will mean we can never fully agencies will mean we can never fully put agencies will mean we can never fully put that agencies will mean we can never fully put that information agencies will mean we can never fully put that information out agencies will mean we can never fully put that information out in fully put that information out in the fully put that information out in the public fully put that information out in the public arena? fully put that information out in the public arena? And fully put that information out in the public arena? 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Simeon that lies at the heart of this legislation. Simeon Brown. that lies at the heart of this legislation. Simeon Brown. In legislation. Simeon Brown. In relation legislation. Simeon Brown. In relation to legislation. Simeon Brown. In relation to the legislation. Simeon Brown. In relation to the first legislation. Simeon Brown. In relation to the first question, legislation. Simeon Brown. 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Rachel Brooking. further legislation to come to the House. Rachel Brooking. Just further legislation to come to the House. Rachel Brooking. Just a further legislation to come to the House. Rachel Brooking. Just a very House. Rachel Brooking. Just a very short House. Rachel Brooking. Just a very short question House. Rachel Brooking. Just a very short question from House. Rachel Brooking. Just a very short question from me, House. Rachel Brooking. Just a very short question from me, going House. Rachel Brooking. Just a very short question from me, going back short question from me, going back to short question from me, going back to the short question from me, going back to the minister's short question from me, going back to the minister's previous to the minister's previous contribution. to the minister's previous contribution. Saying to the minister's previous contribution. Saying this to the minister's previous contribution. Saying this bill to the minister's previous contribution. Saying this bill was contribution. Saying this bill was about contribution. Saying this bill was about supporting contribution. Saying this bill was about supporting councils. contribution. Saying this bill was about supporting councils. And contribution. Saying this bill was about supporting councils. And - contribution. Saying this bill was about supporting councils. And - I about supporting councils. And - I did about supporting councils. And - I did mention about supporting councils. And - I did mention this about supporting councils. And - I did mention this in about supporting councils. And - I did mention this in my about supporting councils. 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So there's no funding from the centre. So can there's no funding from the centre. So can the there's no funding from the centre. So can the minister there's no funding from the centre. So can the minister address there's no funding from the centre. So can the minister address that So can the minister address that question So can the minister address that question about So can the minister address that question about - So can the minister address that question about - is So can the minister address that question about - is there So can the minister address that question about - is there no So can the minister address that question about - is there no funding question about - is there no funding from question about - is there no funding from the question about - is there no funding from the centre? question about - is there no funding from the centre? Is question about - is there no funding from the centre? Is this question about - is there no funding from the centre? Is this just from the centre? Is this just putting from the centre? Is this just putting extra from the centre? Is this just putting extra workload from the centre? Is this just putting extra workload onto putting extra workload onto councils? putting extra workload onto councils? Is putting extra workload onto councils? Is that putting extra workload onto councils? Is that what putting extra workload onto councils? Is that what it's putting extra workload onto councils? Is that what it's doing? councils? Is that what it's doing? The councils? Is that what it's doing? The clear councils? Is that what it's doing? The clear answer councils? Is that what it's doing? The clear answer on councils? Is that what it's doing? The clear answer on that. councils? Is that what it's doing? The clear answer on that. And councils? Is that what it's doing? The clear answer on that. And what The clear answer on that. And what does The clear answer on that. And what does he The clear answer on that. 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That's very important. Hon councils? That's very important. Hon Dr councils? That's very important. Hon Dr Megan councils? That's very important. Hon Dr Megan Woods. councils? That's very important. Hon Dr Megan Woods. Thank councils? That's very important. Hon Dr Megan Woods. Thank you. councils? That's very important. Hon Dr Megan Woods. Thank you. Just councils? That's very important. Hon Dr Megan Woods. Thank you. Just a Dr Megan Woods. Thank you. Just a very Dr Megan Woods. Thank you. Just a very quick Dr Megan Woods. Thank you. Just a very quick follow-up Dr Megan Woods. Thank you. Just a very quick follow-up question, Dr Megan Woods. Thank you. Just a very quick follow-up question, I very quick follow-up question, I thank very quick follow-up question, I thank the very quick follow-up question, I thank the minister very quick follow-up question, I thank the minister for very quick follow-up question, I thank the minister for his very quick follow-up question, I thank the minister for his answer, thank the minister for his answer, for thank the minister for his answer, for clarifying thank the minister for his answer, for clarifying that thank the minister for his answer, for clarifying that he thank the minister for his answer, for clarifying that he sees thank the minister for his answer, for clarifying that he sees that thank the minister for his answer, for clarifying that he sees that is for clarifying that he sees that is about for clarifying that he sees that is about the for clarifying that he sees that is about the credit for clarifying that he sees that is about the credit rating for clarifying that he sees that is about the credit rating being about the credit rating being established. about the credit rating being established. And about the credit rating being established. And that about the credit rating being established. And that following established. And that following that, established. And that following that, there established. And that following that, there can established. And that following that, there can be established. And that following that, there can be disclosure. established. And that following that, there can be disclosure. What that, there can be disclosure. What I that, there can be disclosure. What I would that, there can be disclosure. What I would like that, there can be disclosure. What I would like some that, there can be disclosure. What I would like some clarity that, there can be disclosure. What I would like some clarity from that, there can be disclosure. 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Obviously, the passage of this bill, what is his passage of this bill, what is his expectation passage of this bill, what is his expectation in passage of this bill, what is his expectation in terms passage of this bill, what is his expectation in terms of passage of this bill, what is his expectation in terms of time passage of this bill, what is his expectation in terms of time frames expectation in terms of time frames afterwards? expectation in terms of time frames afterwards? When expectation in terms of time frames afterwards? When will expectation in terms of time frames afterwards? When will he expectation in terms of time frames afterwards? When will he consider afterwards? When will he consider that afterwards? When will he consider that credit afterwards? When will he consider that credit rating afterwards? When will he consider that credit rating is afterwards? When will he consider that credit rating is established that credit rating is established enough, that credit rating is established enough, given that credit rating is established enough, given the that credit rating is established enough, given the processes that credit rating is established enough, given the processes that enough, given the processes that ratings enough, given the processes that ratings agencies enough, given the processes that ratings agencies go enough, given the processes that ratings agencies go through, enough, given the processes that ratings agencies go through, in ratings agencies go through, in terms ratings agencies go through, in terms of ratings agencies go through, in terms of monitoring. ratings agencies go through, in terms of monitoring. What ratings agencies go through, in terms of monitoring. What is ratings agencies go through, in terms of monitoring. What is the terms of monitoring. What is the point terms of monitoring. 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That's a matter for Auckland Council which is going for Auckland Council which is going through for Auckland Council which is going through the for Auckland Council which is going through the process for Auckland Council which is going through the process of for Auckland Council which is going through the process of the for Auckland Council which is going through the process of the financial through the process of the financial operation through the process of the financial operation for through the process of the financial operation for Watercare. through the process of the financial operation for Watercare. Members, operation for Watercare. Members, the operation for Watercare. Members, the time operation for Watercare. Members, the time has operation for Watercare. Members, the time has come operation for Watercare. Members, the time has come for operation for Watercare. Members, the time has come for me operation for Watercare. Members, the time has come for me to operation for Watercare. Members, the time has come for me to leave the time has come for me to leave the the time has come for me to leave the chair the time has come for me to leave the chair for the time has come for me to leave the chair for the the time has come for me to leave the chair for the dinner the time has come for me to leave the chair for the dinner break. the time has come for me to leave the chair for the dinner break. The the chair for the dinner break. The House the chair for the dinner break. The House will the chair for the dinner break. The House will resume the chair for the dinner break. The House will resume in the chair for the dinner break. The House will resume in committee the chair for the dinner break. The House will resume in committee at House will resume in committee at 7:30pm. 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