IT'S WEDNESDAY THE 23RD OF APRIL. MORENA. THIS IS BREAKFAST. JUST SO GOOD TO BE HERE. IT IS SO GREAT. AS A PRIVILEGE TO BE ON THE SHOW. PEOPLE MOAN ABOUT THE HOURS, BUT DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. CHRIS CHANG DIDN'T AGREE. HE TOOK THE LONG, LONG, LONG WEEKEND. ONE OF THE PERKS, JACK TAME, IS THAT YOU GET A BIT OF A SLEEP IN DURING THE NIGHT. MY BABY IS 8 1/2 WEEKS OLD. BIZARRELY, I'M HAVING BETTER SLEEP. I'M IN THE SPARE BEDROOM AT THE MOMENT. MY WIFE IS DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING AT THE MOMENT. I FEEL` USUALLY, SHE WOULDN'T BE UP AT SIX IN THE MORNING, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH, SWEETHEART, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING ` AS TRIBUTES CONTINUE TO FLOW FOR POPE FRANCIS, THE PROCESS WILL SOON BE UNDERWAY TO CHOOSE HIS SUCCESSOR. WE'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT HOW IT WILL ALL PLAY OUT, WHO THE NEXT POPE MAY BE, AND HOW THEY COULD SHAPE THE FUTURE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. CORRECTIONS STAFF UNDER ATTACK BY PRISONERS. TWO VIOLENT INCIDENTS AT HAWKE'S BAY REGIONAL PRISON OVER THE WEEKEND SAW SEVERAL PRISON STAFF ASSAULTED, INCLUDING ONE HIT WITH A SANDWICH PRESS. THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS SAYS THE PRISON WAS NOT UNDERSTAFFED AT THE TIME, BUT THE CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION CLAIMS OTHERWISE. WE WILL SPEAK WITH THE UNION FOR CORRECTIONS STAFF. PLUS, IS THE GRASS REALLY GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TASMAN? TONS OF NEW ZEALANDERS ARE LURED TO AUSTRALIA CHASING A BETTER LIFE AND HIGHER WAGES. BUT A RECENT STUDY THAT SHOWS AUSSIE WORKERS AREN'T AS HAPPY AS YOU MIGHT THINK. RIGHT NOW IT'S 6 O'CLOCK. HERE'S YOUR NEWS. THE VATICAN HAS ANNOUNCED THE POPE'S FUNERAL WILL BE HELD THIS SATURDAY AT 8pm NEW ZEALAND TIME. POPE FRANCIS IS CURRENTLY IN AN OPEN CASKET AT THE CHAPEL OF CASA SANTA MARTA, THE VATICAN RESIDENCE WHERE HE LIVED DURING HIS 12-YEAR PAPACY. TOMORROW HE WILL BE MOVED TO ST PETER'S BASILICA WHERE HE CAN BE MOURNED PUBLICLY. HIS FUNERAL WILL TAKE PLACE THERE IN THE OUTDOORS BEFORE HIS BURIAL AT ST MARY MAJOR. PRIME MINISTER CHRISTOPHER LUXON HAS MET WITH HIS BRITISH COUNTERPART KEIR STARMER OVERNIGHT, WITH THE PAIR VISITING A TRAINING CENTRE FOR UKRAINIAN TROOPS IN ENGLAND. IT COMES AFTER THE GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED IT WOULD BE EXTENDING THE DEPLOYMENT OF NZDF PERSONNEL TRAINING UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS THROUGH TO THE END OF NEXT YEAR. THE PAIR ARE ALSO EXPECTED TO DISCUSS TRADE BEFORE LUXON HEADS TO GALLIPOLI FOR ANZAC DAY COMMEMORATIONS. ONE PERSON HAS DIED AT THE SCENE OF A SINGLE-VEHICLE CRASH IN BAY OF PLENTY'S MAMAKU. EMERGENCY SERVICES RESPONDED, INCLUDING A HELICOPTER JUST BEFORE 4pm YESTERDAY. STATE HIGHWAY 5 CLOSED FOR A TIME YESTERDAY WHILE THE SERIOUS CRASH UNIT CONDUCT A SCENE EXAMINATION, SPEED REDUCTIONS REMAIN IN PLACE THIS MORNING. GREYMOUTH RESIDENTS REMAIN CONCERNED OVER THEIR WATER QUALITY WITH A BOIL WATER NOTICE REMAINING IN PLACE FOR ALMOST TWO WEEKS. IT COMES AFTER THE COUNCIL STRUGGLED TO IDENTIFY THE SOURCE OF A BACTERIAL CONTAMINATION IN THE WATER SUPPLY, WHICH THEY BELIEVE COULD BE LINKED TO A BROKEN PIPE OR BACKFLOW ISSUE. THE COUNCIL SAYS SAMPLES HAVE BEEN CLEAR SINCE LAST THURSDAY, AND THE NOTICE SHOULD BE LIFTED SHORTLY. TO SPORT, AND CHARNZE NICOLL-KLOKSTAD WILL BE RETURNING FROM INJURY FOR THE WARRIORS' ANZAC DAY CLASH AGAINST NEWCASTLE IN CHRISTCHURCH. THE FULLBACK MISSED LAST WEEK'S GOLDEN POINT THRILLER AGAINST THE BRONCOS DUE TO CONCUSSION. ALSO RETURNING IS CENTRE ROCCO BERRY, WHO SERVED A ONE MATCH SUSPENSION AFTER PLEADING GUILTY TO A CARELESS HIGH TACKLE DURING HIS SIDE'S ROUND FIVE LOSS TO THE STORM. THE MATCH KICKS OFF AT 8.05 ON FRIDAY NIGHT AT APOLLO PROJECTS STADIUM. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE MARKETS. (FUNKY MUSIC) AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER THIS MORNING. PARTLY CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF THE NORTH ISLAND HERE, WITH A FEW SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU. THIS WILL GET HEAVIER IN THE EVENING FOR THOSE IN THE FAR NORTH. A HIGH OF 21 IN KAITAIA. 14 IN THE CAPITAL. TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` SIMILAR STORY HERE. CLOUDY PERIODS WITH SOME ISOLATED SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU, CLEARING TO FINE EARLY ON FOR THOSE ALONG THE WEST COAST. 13 THE HIGH FOR THOSE IN CHRISTCHURCH. 12 IN DUNEDIN. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE IS MAKING NEWS THIS MORNING WITH OUR TEAM OF REPORTERS AROUND THE COUNTRY. FIRE SEASON RESTRICTIONS IN TAMAKI MAKAURAU WILL BE DROPPED FROM TODAY. LUCY BENDELL JOINS US. WHAT TIME DOES IT START AND WHAT CHANGES? IT STARTS AT 8 AM FALKLAND CITY, WAITEMATA AND COUNTIES MANUKAU, AND IT MEANS YOU WILL SOON BE ABLE TO LIGHT A FIRE OUTDOORS WITHOUT NEEDING TO REQUEST AN AUTHORISED PERMIT FROM FIRE AND EMERGENCY NEW ZEALAND. THIS FOLLOWS NORTH LAND TO WHICH MOVED TO THAT OPEN FIRE SEASON. IT IS BECAUSE OF THE RECENT RAINFALL AND ALSO THOSE COOLER TEMPERATURES THAT ARE FORECASTED. IT MEANS THAT THE FIRE IS LESS LIKELY TO SPREAD. THE HAURAKI GULF ISLANDS WILL MOVE INTO A RESTRICTED FIRE SEASON WHICH MEANS YOU WILL NEED TO REQUEST AN AUTHORISED PERMIT BEFORE LIGHTING AND OUTDOOR FIRE. FIRE AND EMERGENCY ARE STILL URGING PEOPLE TO TAKE PRECAUTION WHEN LIGHTING A FIRE AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS EXTINGUISHED WHEN ENDING AS WELL. A BOIL WATER NOTICE REMAINS IN PLACE FOR THE GREATER GREYMOUTH AREA DUE TO AN UNKNOWN BACTERIAL CONTAMINATION IN THE WATER SUPPLY. LET'S BRING IN CHARLOTTE MULDER. HOW LONG HAS THE NOTICE BEEN IN PLACE FOR NOW? THE NOTICE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR ALMOST 2 WEEKS. A GREATER GREY MOUTH RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN USING BOILED WATER AND THEY ARE CONCERNED. IT COMES AFTER CONCERNS OF CONTAMINATED WATER WERE SENT INTO THE DISTRICT COUNCIL FOR ALMOST 2 WEEKS AS SAID BEFORE. THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THE SOURCE, AND IDENTIFY THAT BACTERIA IN THE CONTAMINATED WATER. CURRENTLY, 15 AREAS ARE AFFECTED AND COUNCIL ARE WORKING WITH WATER REGULATOR AND NEW ZEALAND FOOD NETWORK HAVE BEEN HANDING OUT BOTTLES OF WATER FOR RESIDENTS FOR ALMOST 2 WEEKS AS SAID BEFORE. BUT THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT THAT NOTICE SHOULD BE GETTING LIFTED VERY SHORTLY, THEY THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS DUE TO A BROKEN PIPE OR A BACKFLOW ISSUE SO THEY'RE ASKING RESIDENTS TO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR ANY UPDATES TO COME AND WHEN SAMPLES MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE WATER REGULATOR. THAT IS CHARLOTTE MULDER FOR US LIVE IN CHRISTCHURCH. CARDINALS FROM ACROSS THE GLOBE ARE MAKING THEIR WAY TO THE VATICAN AS THE LONG PROCESS TO CHOOSE A NEW PONTIFF GETS UNDERWAY. IT'S A PROCEDURE STEEPED IN TRADITION, AND ONE THAT WILL DETERMINE THE FUTURE DIRECTION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. FOR MORE ON WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, WE'RE JOINED BY MILES PATTENDEN, A HISTORIAN OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AT OXFORD UNIVERSITY. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. CAN WE START SIMPLE? HOW EXACTLY IS THE NEW POPE CHOSEN? THERE IS A WELL-ESTABLISHED PROCESS WHICH GOES BACK NEARLY 1000 YEARS. THE CARDINAL GATHERED TOGETHER IN THE SISTINE CHAPEL AND THEY WILL VOTE TWICE A DAY UNTIL ONE OF THEM HAS ATTAINED TWO THIRDS OF THE VOTES YOU WROTE A VERY INTERESTING OPINION PIECE. I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK THAT POPE FRANCIS'S LEGACY WILL BE. AND HOW THAT LEGACY WILL IMPACT WHAT KIND OF LEADER THE CARDINALS WILL CHOOSE. I THINK HOW FRANCIS'S LEGACY IMPACTS THE CARDINALS DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY THINK OF IT. MY ARGUMENT WAS THAT HE WAS IMPORTANT FOR CHANGING THE TONE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. AND ALSO FOR CHANGING THE FOCUS. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HE DID WAS SAY THAT CATHOLIC SHOULD STOP OBSESSING WHICH FORM OF SEX WAS MORE WORSE THAN THE OTHER AND WE SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT THE GLOBAL ISSUES. LOTS OF THERE ARE MANY CATHOLICS WHO THINK THAT HE DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH. THERE WERE GOOD WORDS BUT NOT THAT MUCH CHANGE IN CHURCH TEACHING OR IN STRUCTURES OR ACTIONS. SO MAYBE THEY NEED A POPE WHO WILL ADVANCE THAT LEGACY FURTHER. THERE ARE OTHERS WHO DIDN'T LIKE THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND WILL WANT TO SEE THINGS GO BACK A BIT MORE TO HELP THEY WERE BEFORE. SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE OVERALL BALANCE WILL BE. THERE ARE SPECULATIONS ABOUT WHO IS FRONT RUNNING. IN TERMS OF THAT, WHO OTHER SERIOUS CONTENDERS? TO VERY OBVIOUS FRONT RUNNER, AND ONE OF THEM IS THE CARDINAL SECRETARY OF STATE WHO WAS ST FRANCIS' SECOND IN CHARGE. THE OTHER LEADING CANDIDATE IS THE FILIPINO CARDINAL, WHO REPRESENTS THE CONTINUITY OF STYLE. HE IS A CHARISMATIC MAN WHO WAS VERY FOCUSED ON HIS MISSION TO THE POOR AND PRESENTS AND HE IS THERE AMONGST THE PEOPLE. THAT'S HOW FRANCIS WANTED TO PRESENT HIMSELF, SO THE CARDINALS HAVE AN OBVIOUS CHOICE. CONTINUE WITH FRANCIS'S PERSONNEL OR STYLE. AND IF NEITHER OF THOSE OPTIONS COMMANDS THE MAJORITY, THEY WILL LOOK TOWARDS A WIDER GROUP OF CARDINALS WHICH ARE 10 TO 12 MENTIONED ALL OF WHOM ARE QUITE PLAUSIBLE AS CANDIDATES. HAS THE CHURCH SURPRISED US BEFORE AND COULD IT HAPPEN AGAIN? THE CHURCH OFTEN SURPRISES US WITH THE CHOICE OF POPE. ONE THING THAT IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE POPE PICKS ALL THE CARDINALS. POPE FRANCIS HAS CHOOSE IN THE CARDINALS TO TAKE PART IN THIS CONCLAVE, ALL CARDINALS ARE EXPERIENCED MEN, THEY ARE VERY INDEPENDENT MINDED. ESPECIALLY AFTER THE POPE WHO CHOSE THEM IS NO LONGER POPE AND THEY WILL MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS AND THIS IS WHAT MAKES THIS VERY UNPREDICTABLE. WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES EACH CARDINAL WILL THINK LESS OR MORE IMPORTANT AND HOW THEY WILL MAP THEM. THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN REALLY SAY IS THAT THE CARDINALS WILL FEEL UNDER QUITE A LOT OF PRESSURE TO REACH THIS DECISION QUITE QUICKLY. THEY KNOW THE EYES OF THE WORLD ARE LOOKING ON THEM AND IF THEY TAKE MORE THAN A FEW DAYS, THEN THERE WILL START TO BE SOME MURMURING ABOUT THE PROCESS. THEY ARE PROBABLY ALREADY USING THE TIME THEY HAVE NOW TO WORK OUT WHAT ARE THE LIKELY PERMUTATIONS AND WHO MAY OR MAY NOT COMMAND THE NECESSARY MAJORITY. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT INSTABILITY AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER GLOBAL PRESSURES, POLITICAL INSTABILITY OR SIFTING SOCIAL ATTITUDES AND HOW MUCH THEY COULD SHAPE WHO WAS CHOSEN. I THINK YOU COULD SHAPE AT A LOT. WHAT WE'VE SEEN A LOT MORE GLOBAL INSTABILITY IN CERTAIN WAYS, PARTICULARLY WITH ASSERTIVENESS OF THE POLITICAL ADMINISTRATION IN THE UNITED STATES. POPE FRANCIS WAS VOCAL IN HIS OPPOSITION TO PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE WAS POTENTIALLY ALARMING TO BOTH SIDES. WITCHES MAY BE WAY VP FRANCE MET WITH HIM BEFORE HIS DEATH, AND AN ATTEMPT TO REBUILD BRIDGES. THE CARDINALS OF ALL HAVE THEIR OWN VIEWS ON THAT KIND OF THING AS WELL. DO THEY WANT ANOTHER POPE WHO WILL STAND UP FOR THOSE THEY MAY SEE AS BEING SUPPRESSED BY THE AMERICAN MINISTRATIONS POLICIES? THESE ARE THE FACTORS THAT WILL MATTER TO THEM. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PRESSURE ON THE CONCLAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AND MAKE A DECISION FAIRLY QUICKLY. BUT HOW LONG CAN THIS PROCESS ACTUALLY GO ON FOR? UNDER THE CURRENT RULES THAT SHOULDN'T GO ON FOR MUCH LONGER THAN TWO WEEKS BECAUSE BENEDICT THE 16TH BEFORE HE RESIGNED INSTITUTED A NEW RULE IS THAT AFTER 30 BALLOTS IT HASN'T BEEN DECIDED, THEN THERE IS A RUN-OFF BETWEEN THE TOP TWO CANDIDATES. IT WILL LIMIT THE PROCESS TO JUST OVER TWO WEEKS, BUT IN RECENT CONCLAVE OVER THE PAST 50 OR 60 YEARS, THE ELECTION HAS BEEN MUCH QUICKER. IT'S BEEN AN AVERAGE OF THREE DAYS AND THAT WILL BE THE THE EXPECTED TIME. I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF POPE THE CHURCH NEEDS AT THIS TIME AND YOU CAN PLEAD THE FIFTH ON THIS QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE I'M THE RIGHT PERSON TO BE ASKING THE QUESTION. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE CHURCH NEEDS A POPE WHO CAN DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS BUT IT HAS TO PICK ONE MAN. THAT'S WHAT MADE THE CARDINALS CHOICE SO DIFFICULT. THANK YOU, AND FASCINATING CONVERSATION. THAT WAS SO GOOD. MILES IS SO KNOWLEDGEABLE. IN TERMS OF THE TIMEFRAME THAT THE POPE ` 30 BALLOTS, I MISSED THAT ONE THE CANDIDATES WHO ARE POLING THE BEST. YOU WOULD EXPECT THEN THAT THINGS ARE RELATIVELY WELL, BUT IF THE LAST FOUR YEARS ARE ANYTHING TO GO BY, PEOPLE ARE JUST SUPER IMPATIENT. I KNOW YOU THINK, THREE DAYS, FOR GOODNESS SAKE, I HAVE TO WAIT AROUND. IT'S ALWAYS REMEMBERING THAT WHEN POPE FRANCIS BECAME POPE, AT THIS STAGE OF THINGS, I DON'T THINK MANY OF THE PUNDITS GLOBALLY LEFT PICKING THAT HE WAS A REAL CONTENDER. IT CAN BE QUITE DIFFICULT FROM THE OUTSIDE TO LOOK AT THE INSIDE AND TRY AND IMAGINE WHAT THOSE CARDINALS ARE THINKING AND APPRECIATING ALL THE KIND OF POLITICAL AND SOCIAL PERMUTATIONS WITHIN THAT GROUP OF MEN, AND IF YOU LOOK BACK 13 YEARS, AT THIS STAGE, NO ONE THOUGHT THAT POPE FRANCIS WOULD BE A FRONT RUNNER, AND THEN HIS NAME WAS MENTIONED AND THE REST WAS HISTORY. HAVE YOU SEEN THE CONCLAVE? NOT YET. IT IS FASCINATING. THEY GET SOME OF THE SELECTION PROCESS ABSOLUTELY ON POINT. BUT IT IS THE DISCUSSION AROUND, AS HE SAID, THE POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS AGO ON IN TERMS OF WHO HAS THE RIGHT CANDIDATE AND PEOPLE JOCKEYING FOR POSITIONS. E WHAI AKE NEI ` A WARNING FOR THOSE EYEING UP A MOVE TO AUSTRALIA, DON'T BE BLINDED BY THE PAYCHEQUE. THE NEW SURVEY THAT SHOWS SOME AUSSIE WORKPLACES ARE FALLING SHORT. Introducing the new Subway Signature Menu. It's all... Oh, hey Andy, whatcha doing? Bit busy Hame, just the new Subway ad. Oh right. No, go for it. Yeah, OK... 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PRIME MINISTER CHRISTOPHER LUXON HAS MET WITH HIS BRITISH COUNTERPART KEIR STARMER OVERNIGHT, WITH THE PAIR VISITING A TRAINING CENTRE FOR UKRAINIAN TROOPS IN ENGLAND. AND IN SPORT, CHARNZE NICOLL-KLOKSTAD WILL BE RETURNING FROM INJURY FOR THE WARRIORS' ANZAC DAY CLASH AGAINST NEWCASTLE IN CHRISTCHURCH. IT'S AN AGE-OLD QUESTION ` IS THE GRASS REALLY GREENER ACROSS THE DITCH? MORE THAN 500,000 NEW ZEALANDERS NOW CALL AUSTRALIA HOME, SO CLEARLY MANY THINK SO, BUT THE RESULTS OF A NEW STUDY RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER HEADING THERE FOR WORK IS WORTH IT. WHILE THE MONEY MIGHT BE TEMPTING, ONLY 55% OF AUSSIE WORKERS FEEL FAIRLY PAID, AND JUST 51% SAY THEIR WORKPLACE IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY HEALTHY. FOR MORE ON HOW THAT COMPARES TO THE CORPORATE CULTURE HERE, I SPOKE WITH REBECCA MOULYNOX, GENERAL MANAGER FOR GREAT PLACE TO WORK NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIA, AND STARTED BY ASKING HER ABOUT THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES FOUND BETWEEN AUSSIE AND KIWI WORKPLACES. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH AROUND WHAT TYPICAL WORKPLACES LOOK LIKE IN AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND, AND THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THAT WHEN WE ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT MANAGEMENT, WE FOUNDED 5% DIFFERENT. BUT ACROSS-THE-BOARD, WE ASKED 60 QUESTIONS AND NEW ZEALAND CAME OUT IN 48 OF THEM. MIGHTY THINK NEW ZEALAND BUSINESSES ARE AHEAD? I THINK THEY ARE UNDERSTANDING THAT TREATING EMPLOYEES SO THEY MATTER AND LIKE THEY ARE THE REASON THE COMPANY STAYS SUCCESSFUL THEY ARE AHEAD OF THE GAME. NOT WE GET BOMBARDED WITHOUT SAYING MOVED TO AUSTRALIA, THE GRASS IS GREENER. BUT WHY SHOULD NEW ZEALAND WORKERS LOOKED BEYOND SALARY IF THEY ARE CONSIDERING A MOVE? ANYONE SHOULD LOOK BEYOND SALARY WHEN IT COMES TO A WORKPLACE. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY IS WORTH YOUR MENTAL HEALTH. IT IS ABOUT FINDING A WORKPLACE THAT WORKS FOR YOU, IN REGARDS TO WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU, BUT REALLY TEST THE ORGANISATION, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHERE YOU GO REALLY WELL TREAT YOU WELL AND TREAT YOU PROPERLY. AND THAT IS CRITICAL. HOW DOES WORKPLACE CULTURE AFFECT OVERALL WELL-BEING AND PERFORMANCE? IT'S A HUGE IMPACT. WE KNOW THAT GREAT LEADERSHIP CREATES EXPERIENCES FOR EMPLOYEES, AND THOSE EXPERIENCES CREATE CULTURE AND CULTURE DRIES COMPANY PERFORMANCE. WHAT YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IS WHAT ARE THE LEADERS THAT I AM GOING TO BE WORKING FOR, HOW THEY TREATING PEOPLE AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. ASKING QUESTIONS AROUND THE VALUES OF THE ORGANISATION, HOW THEY PLOUGH IN DAY-TO-DAY DECISION-MAKING BECAUSE THAT WILL CLEAN YOU INTO HOW THEY ARE TREATING EMPLOYEES BECAUSE HAPPY EMPLOYEES WORK HARDER. WHAT ARE SOME SPECIFIC SIGNS ARE INDICATIONS THAT PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK FOR THAT ARE SIGNS OF A HEALTHY WORK CULTURE? ON ANY AWARDS. HAVE A LOOK AT IF THEY'RE CERTIFIED TO BE A GREAT PLACE TO WORK. HOW THEIR LEADERS SHOW UP ONLINE AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM IN THE ORGANISATION. AND ASKED THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU. ASK QUESTIONS AROUND HOW DO YOU ENSURE DIVERSE VOICES ARE REPRESENTED IN DIVISION DECISION-MAKING* WHATEVER IS IMPORTANT TO YOU, ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT IN THE INTERVIEW. DOES IT EXIST? IS THERE A UNICORN OUT THERE, A PLACE THAT WILL PLAY PAY US REALLY WELL BUT ALSO HAS A GREAT WORK CULTURE? THEY ARE OUT THERE, BUT THEY ARE HARD TO FIND. SOME ORGANISATIONS HAVEN'T QUITE CLUED IN TO REALLY TREATING PEOPLE THE BEST THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAS THE GREAT BUSINESS PERFORMANCE. BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE. FANTASTIC TO HAVE YOU WITH US HERE THIS MORNING. I GUESS THE EQUATION IS EVEN IF YOU KNOW THE WORKPLACES AND THEY ARE GREAT, HOW MUCH DO THEY HAVE TO PAY? ULTIMATELY, THE END OF IT IS AM I GOING TO GET PAID MORE THAN I AM HERE. ONE OF MY BROTHERS WENT TO AUSTRALIA. WORKING REALLY HARD, HIM AND HIS WIFE, THEY HAD KIDS, AND THEIR LITTLE BOY CAME ALONG A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, BUT THEY COULD NEVER GET AHEAD. THEY COULDN'T GET ENOUGH TOGETHER TO GET A MORTGAGE AND MAKE PROGRESS. IN THE END, HE WENT, GOT TO GIVE IT A GO, AND I'M GOING TO GO SEE IF THE GRASS IS GREENER. AND FOR THEM, THE GRASS IS GREENER. YES THEY MISS HOME AND THEY MISS OUT ON CERTAIN EVENTS, PARTICULARLY BACK HOME AT OUR MARAE, THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE A LIFE PARTICULAR FOR THEIR YOUNGEST SON, AND HE HAS GROWN WITH HIS YOUNG CHILDREN AND YES, I WANT THEM TO COME HOME, BUT THEY ARE SMASHING LIFE OVER THERE. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DREAMT OF. YES IT WAS FOR THEM, BUT THEY WANTED A BETTER LIFE FOR THEIR KIDS. I WONDER IF THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST POLITICAL CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE LOST VAST NUMBERS OF NEW ZEALANDERS. ESPECIALLY YOUNG NEW ZEALANDERS. I RECKON THE CHALLENGES NOT ONLY TO STEM THE TIDE OF PEOPLE GOING TO AUSTRALIA, BUT ALSO TO INTRODUCE POLICIES THAT WILL ATTRACT THEM BACK. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN AUSTRALIA ARE SO YES, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ARE EARNING MORE OVER HERE, BUT THE CALL OF HOME. YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, PULL WHATEVER LEVERS YOU CAN TO BRING SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE BACK IN THE LONG-TERM. IT IS A MASSIVE CHALLENGE AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE ANSWERS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, PEOPLE GO FOR THE MONEY. THAT'S ABOVE OUR PAY GRADE. ME u TONU MAI ` WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK AFTER THE BREAK WITH YOUR 6.30 NEWS. Alright, I'm off. Where are you off to? To get the flu jab. You coming? Nah. I won't get the flu. Touch wood. (QUIRKY MUSIC) Touch wood. Kia ora! You here for the flu jab? Yeah. VOICEOVER: SONG: # You're as cold as ice... # What's your address? Not telling. What's your bank account number? 123... Nah! Would you be interested in... Nope. How about a deal... Nah! Pay here! (*Pfffft SOUND*) Negative. Not. Telling. (PHONE RINGS) # Cold # As # Ice... # Hello? My card number? It's, um... Ooh, yeah! # You're as cold as ice... # (UPBEAT MUSIC) THE POPE'S FUNERAL HAS BEEN CONFIRMED FOR THIS SATURDAY, WITH HIS BODY BEING MOVED TO ST PETER'S BASILICA TO BE PUBLICLY MOURNED TOMORROW. HE'S CURRENTLY IN AN OPEN CASKET AT THE CHAPEL OF HIS VATICAN RESIDENCE, CASA SANTA MARTA. IN A FEW WEEKS, THE CONCLAVE, A FORMAL PROCESS TO DECIDE HIS SUCCESSOR WILL BEGIN. ONE CATHOLIC CHURCH HISTORIAN SAYS RIGHT NOW THERE ARE TWO OBVIOUS FRONT RUNNERS INCLUDING POPE FRANCIS'S DEPUTY OF THE LAST DECADE. HE OBVIOUSLY REPRESENTS CONTINUITY, AND WE WOULD EXPECT THE SAME REGIME WITHIN THE VATICAN, THERE WOULD BE A CONTINUITY OF PERSONNEL AND SO ON. THE OTHER LEADING CANDIDATE IS THE FILIPINO CARDINAL, WHO REPRESENTS A CONTINUITY OF STYLE. HE IS A HIGHLY CHARISMATIC MAN, WHO IS VERY FOCUSED ON HIS MISSION TO THE POOR AND THE MISSION OF PRESENCE. IT'S ESTIMATED AFTER THE PROCESS HAS BEGUN, THERE WILL BE A NEW POPE WITHIN TWO WEEKS. GUNMEN IN INDIAN-CONTROLLED KASHMIR HAVE KILLED AT LEAST 20 TOURISTS AT A RESORT IN THE HIMALAYAS. LOCAL POLICE SAY THE VICTIMS WERE MOSTLY DOMESTIC TOURISTS AND DESCRIBED IT AS A TERROR ATTACK. AUTHORITIES ARE CALLING IT THE WORST ATTACK ON CIVILIANS IN RECENT YEARS. TEMPORARY SPEED REDUCTIONS REMAIN IN PLACE ON STATE HIGHWAY 5 FROM TIRAU TO ROTORUA AFTER A FATAL CAR ACCIDENT YESTERDAY. EMERGENCY SERVICES, INCLUDING A HELICOPTER, RESPONDED TO THE SINGLE-VEHICLE CRASH IN THE BAY OF PLENTY VILLAGE OF MAMAKU. THE PERSON DIED AT THE SCENE DESPITE RECEIVING MEDICAL ASSISTANCE. AN OPEN FIRE SEASON STARTS THIS MORNING FOR TAMAKI MAKAURAU, MEANING PEOPLE CAN LIGHT OUTDOOR FIRES WITHOUT AN AUTHORISED PERMIT. IT BEGINS AT 8am FOR AUCKLAND CITY, WAITEMATA AND COUNTIES MANUKAU, AFTER A STEADY AMOUNT OF RAIN AND COOLER FORECASTS. THE EXCEPTIONS ARE THE HAURAKI GULF ISLANDS. THEY WILL MOVE TO A RESTRICTED FIRE SEASON, WITH A PERMIT NEEDED FROM FIRE AND EMERGENCY NEW ZEALAND. AND FINALLY, TRIBUTES ARE CONTINUING TO FLOW FOR THE POPE, WITH MEMBERS OF HIS HOMETOWN FOOTBALL CLUB IN ARGENTINA GATHERING TO HONOUR HIM. FRANCIS WAS A KNOWN FOOTBALL SUPPORTER, AND REMAINED A MEMBER OF BUENOS AIRES CLUB SAN LORENZO FOR THE ENTIRETY OF HIS 12-YEAR PAPACY. THE CLUB CLAIMS HIS MEMBERSHIP NUMBER WAS 88235, COINCIDING WITH HIS DEATH AT THE AGE OF 88, AND HIS TIME OF DEATH AT 2.35 LOCAL TIME. PLAYERS WILL WEAR A SPECIAL COMMEMORATIVE JERSEY FOR THEIR MATCH THIS WEEKEND IN THE POPE'S HONOUR, THE SAME DAY AS HIS FUNERAL. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE MARKETS. (FUNKY MUSIC) AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER THIS MORNING. PARTLY CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF THE NORTH ISLAND HERE, WITH A FEW SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU. THIS WILL GET HEAVIER IN THE EVENING FOR THOSE IN THE FAR NORTH. A HIGH OF 21 IN KAITAIA. 14 IN THE CAPITAL. TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` SIMILAR STORY HERE. CLOUDY PERIODS WITH SOME ISOLATED SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU, CLEARING TO FINE EARLY ON FOR THOSE ALONG THE WEST COAST. 13 THE HIGH FOR THOSE IN CHRISTCHURCH. 12 IN DUNEDIN. THANKS, JACK. A MISSION HAS BLASTED INTO SPACE, AIMING TO GROW FOOD IN SPACE. FEEDING ASTRONAUTS IS AN EXPENSIVE ELEMENT OF ANY SPACE MISSION, COSTING AS MUCH AS $45,000 A DAY. IT'S HOPED LAB-GROWN MEALS COULD ALSO EXPAND THE MENU. THE BBC'S PALLAB GHOSH HAS THE STORY. ONE. IGNITION. ENGINE'S FULL POWER. AND LIFT OFF. GO, FALCON. GO BANDWAGON-3. UP AND ON ITS WAY INTO ORBIT. ONBOARD, A SMALL SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT TO SEE IF ASTRONAUTS CAN GROW FOOD FOR THEMSELVES IN TEST TUBES. IT'S A MINI VERSION OF THIS SETUP. BUBBLING AWAY IS GENETICALLY MODIFIED YEAST. IT'S PRODUCING PROTEINS THAT'S DRIED INTO A POWDER, WHICH CAN BE TURNED INTO ALL SORTS OF FOOD. THEY CAN PRODUCE PROTEINS. THEY CAN PRODUCE FATS. THEY CAN PRODUCE CARBOHYDRATES, FIBRES, AND THEN THEY CAN BE COMBINED TO DO DIFFERENT RECIPES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISHES IN THE END. IMAGINE HAVING A 3D BIO PRINTER AND PRINTING OUT THE STEAK THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN THE SPACE STATION. YOU COULD TURN IT INTO A STEAK? YES, THAT'S THE AIM. RIGHT NOW, EATING IN SPACE ISN'T A GOURMET EXPERIENCE. ALTHOUGH THE ASTRONAUTS ARE ENJOYING THEMSELVES, THE FOOD ITSELF ISN'T MUCH FUN. A LOT OF IT IS FREEZE-DRIED. THEY HAVE THE SAME THINGS MOST DAYS, AND IT'S REALLY PRICEY. JAKUB'S JOB IS TO TURN THE CHEMISTRY INTO CUISINE. ALL HIS INGREDIENTS CAN BE LAB-GROWN. THEY AREN'T YET, BUT HE'S PRACTISING FOR THE DAY THEY CAN. MAKING SPICY DUMPLINGS TODAY, BUT ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, FRENCH CUISINE, CHINESE CUISINE, INDIAN CUISINE. ANY KIND OF CUISINE WILL BE POSSIBLE TO BE REPLICATED IN SPACE, JUST BECAUSE WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRODUCE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. THE EXPERIMENT WILL BE IN EARTH'S ORBIT FOR JUST A FEW HOURS. IT WILL BE THE FIRST OF SEVERAL EXPERIMENTS IN SPACE TO HELP DEVELOP THE TECHNOLOGY. IF ALL GOES WELL, ASTRONAUTS ON THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION COULD BE TRYING OUT SOME LAB-GROWN FOOD IN JUST A FEW YEARS' TIME. $45,000 A DAY. GET SOME STUFF FROM PACK AND SAVE, GUYS. SERIOUSLY. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE GOING TO AUSTRALIA AND WHETHER THE GRASS IS GREENER. ANGUS HAS MOVED BACK TO NEW ZEALAND. HE TOOK A 20% PAY CUT AND HAS NO REGRETS WHATSOEVER. HE DOES SAY THE CORPORATE CULTURE PERMEATES MUCH DEEPER IN AUSTRALIA AND IT CREATES MORE COMPETITIVE WORKPLACES. YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE PART OF SOMETHING HERE, WHEREAS IN AUSTRALIA, YOU FEEL LIKE ANOTHER COG IN THE MONEY MAKING MACHINE. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR GUEST WAS SAYING. YOU MIGHT GET MORE MONEY, BUT THE WORKPLACE ITSELF MAY NOT BE THE ONE WHERE YOU DO FEEL LIKE YOU ARE PART OF SOMETHING BIGGER THAT ANGUS IS TALKING ABOUT. THOSE ARE QUALITIES YOU PROBABLY ONLY VALUE WHEN YOU HAVE A BAD EXPERIENCE. WHEN YOU ARE IN A GOOD WORKPLACE, IT IS EASY TO TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED. WHEN YOU ARE IN A BAD WORKPLACE, YOU CAN THINK YOU COULD GET MORE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THE CULTURE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I CAN TAKE CARE OF MY WELL-BEING. IT IS ALL GOOD. I AM NOT TOTALLY CONVINCED. LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. ME U TONU MAI ` CHRISTOPHER LUXON HAS MET WITH BRITISH PM KEIR STARMER OVERNIGHT, WITH TRADE ONE OF THE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION. NEXT, A FORMER TRADE MINISTER WEIGHS IN WITH WHAT IT MEAN FOR NEW ZEALAND EXPORTERS. (UPBEAT MUSIC) (UPBEAT MUSIC) THIS IS BREAKFAST. GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US. HERE'S WHAT'S MAKING NEWS THIS MORNING. AN OPEN FIRE SEASON STARTS THIS MORNING FOR TAMAKI MAKAURAU, MEANING PEOPLE CAN LIGHT OUTDOOR FIRES WITHOUT AN AUTHORISED PERMIT. GUNMEN IN INDIAN-CONTROLLED KASHMIR HAVE KILLED AT LEAST 20 TOURISTS AT A RESORT IN THE HIMALAYAS. AND TRIBUTES ARE CONTINUING TO FLOW FOR THE POPE, WITH MEMBERS OF HIS HOMETOWN FOOTBALL CLUB IN ARGENTINA GATHERING TO HONOUR HIM. PRIME MINISTER CHRISTOPHER LUXON HAS MET WITH HIS BRITISH COUNTERPART SIR KEIR STARMER IN LONDON. TRADE AND SECURITY WERE ON THE AGENDA AMID GROWING GEOPOLITICAL TENSIONS, BUT IT WAS ALL SMILES WHEN THEY FRONTED THE MEDIA. WE'VE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL BILATERAL, WE'VE HAD A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE PRIME MINISTER. AND IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DEEPEN OUR BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP, AND WE ARE DOING THAT THROUGH MORE TRADE AND INVESTMENT, MORE DEFENCE AND SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS, MORE PEOPLE-TO-PEOPLE THINGS. WE ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE GEOPOLITICAL ISSUES OUT THERE IN THE WORLD, AROUND UKRAINE, AROUND THE INDO-PACIFIC, AND ALSO AROUND THE BROADER ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT AND THE ECONOMY THAT WE ARE SEEING GLOBALLY. FORMER TRADE MINISTER TIM GROSER JOINS US NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. CAN WE START SIMPLE? HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS MEETING, THIS VISIT OF OUR PRIME MINISTER TO THE UK? I THINK IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT MOMENT FOR TWO REASONS THAT FIT RATHER NEATLY TOGETHER. FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE AT A NEW JUNCTURE OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK. WE HAVE PUT ASIDE ALL OF THE MASSIVE HISTORY AND LINKS BETWEEN OUR TWO COUNTRIES. JUST THINK ABOUT OUR ECONOMIC FUTURE. WE HAVE JUST FINALLY NEGOTIATED A COMPREHENSIVE FTA. IT WILL TAKE TIME TO COME INTO EFFECT. OUR ECONOMY HAD WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP TO SERVE THE BRITISH MARKET. IT IS ALREADY OUR FIFTH-LARGEST EXPORT MARKET. I THINK WE WILL SEE MAJOR GROWTH IN THAT OPPORTUNITY IN THE YEARS TO COME. BUT IT IS ALSO LINKED INTO THE GEOPOLITICAL INCREDIBLY TENSE ENVIRONMENT THAT THE PRIME MINISTER MENTIONED IN THE BRIEF CLIP I HEARD PRIOR TO YOU COMING ON SCREEN. THE TRUMP TRADE BOMB HAS UPENDED EVERYTHING INTERNATIONALLY. THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF PRESSURE ON GOVERNMENTS, INCLUDING PRESSURE ON THE UK GOVERNMENT, TO PROTECT THEIR FARMERS AND OTHER PRODUCERS FROM A LOT OF PRODUCT THAT WOULD HAVE GONE INTO THE UNITED STATES, SO I THINK IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR THE PRIME MINISTER TO ESTABLISH THAT THE HEAD OF GOVERNMENT LEVEL A REFRESHED POLITICAL COMMITMENT TO BOTH THE AUSTRALIAN AND THE NEW ZEALAND FTA. THEY ARE A PEER. THEY WERE STRONGLY OPPOSED BY FARMER GROUPS IN THE UK. THERE WILL BE PRESSURE ON THE UK TO TAKE PROTECTION MEASURES, AND I THINK IT IS VERY WORTHWHILE TO ESTABLISH THAT PERSONAL LINK AT THIS TIME. GIVEN THAT, ALSO GIVEN THE GLOBAL ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE ARE IN AT THE MOMENT, HOW CAN NEW ZEALAND AND THE UK BETTER LEVERAGE THEIR FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS TO BOOST ECONOMIC RESILIENCE? I THINK THERE ARE DIRECT THINGS THAT ARE IMPLICIT IN THE ACTUAL TRADING AGREEMENT I HAVE JUST REFERENCE. LOOKING FROM A HELICOPTER VIEW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT WHERE DO WE TURN NEXT? THIS IS NOT SOMETHING BRITAIN AND NEW ZEALAND WILL DO EITHER BILATERALLY OR INDIVIDUALLY BUT COLLECTIVELY. SO THERE IS A NATURAL SYMMETRY OF INTERESTS BETWEEN THE EUROPEAN UNION AND NOW THE TPP COUNTRIES, WHICH INCLUDES THE UK. THERE IS A NATURAL SET OF INTEREST THAT I THINK WILL PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN DEFINING A WAY FORWARD IN THIS CURRENT, VERY DISTURBED ENVIRONMENT. AS A RESULT OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE PRIME MINISTER HAS BEEN HAVING, THE UK HAS ANNOUNCED A $67 MILLION LOAN DEAL WITH THE NEW ZEALAND COMPANY, WHICH IS POTENTIAL FOR OUR DEFENCE ANTIQUE EXPORTS. AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE PRIME MINISTER WHO SAID HE WILL BE SPENDING TIME WITH 250 PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUSINESSES THAT LINK NEW ZEALAND AND THE UK TOGETHER, AND THERE IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO DEEPEN OUR TRADE AND INVESTMENT WITH EACH OTHER. WHAT DOES THAT SIGNAL ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR HIGH-VALUE EXPORT SECTOR? I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY POSITIVE. THOSE HISTORICAL LINKS BETWEEN OUR TWO COUNTRIES WILL FACILITATE THAT EXCHANGED ENORMOUSLY. NEW ZEALANDERS FIT VERY COMFORTABLY INTO BRITISH SOCIETY, SO WHEN THEY GO THERE TO ESTABLISH THESE BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS, IT IS JUST SO EASY COMPARATIVELY. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SERIOUS EXPANSION OF OUR ECONOMIC LINKS WITH THE UK. I NEED TO WRAP THINGS UP, AND YOU HAVE MENTIONED THIS, AROUND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE UNITED STATES AND TRUMP AND THE TERRORISTS, BUT THERE WAS A WARNING RELEASE THIS MORNING THAT TRUMPS 10% TARIFF COULD TRIGGER A MAJOR NEGATIVE SHOP TO COUNTRIES LIKE THE UK. HOW SHOULD WE RESPOND TO THAT? AS I HAVE SAID ON MANY OCCASION, WE HAVE A VERY IMPRESSIVE PLAN B ALREADY IN PLACE AS A RESULT OF 50 YEARS OF SUCCESSIVE NEW ZEALAND GOVERNMENTS NEGOTIATING THESE TYPES OF TRADE AGREEMENTS IN ADDITION TO THE WTO PROCESS. SO WE ACTUALLY ARE QUITE WELL SET UP TO DEAL WITH THIS UNCERTAINTY. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS ANYTHING OTHER THAN NEGATIVE FOR NEW ZEALAND, PARTICULARLY SINCE WE HAVE ALSO SEEN A VERY IMPRESSIVE GROWTH AND NEW ZEALAND EXPORTS TO THE UNITED STATES. BUT WE WILL LEVERAGE THOSE ALTERNATIVES. WE'LL PUT IN PLACE AN INSURANCE POLICY. I THINK WE WILL FIND A WAY THROUGH MAINLY THROUGH LEVERAGING THOSE AGREEMENTS AND COOPERATING WITH COUNTRIES LIKE THE UK ON THE BIGGER STRATEGIC WAY FORWARD. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR INSIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALWAYS SO GOOD TO GET HIS EXPERTISE, ESPECIALLY IN AN UNCERTAIN MOMENT LIKE THIS. E WHAI AKE NEI ` WE'LL HEAD TO ROME FOR THE LATEST FROM THE VATICAN, BUT FIRST ` TWO SEPARATE VIOLENT ASSAULTS AT A HAWKE'S BAY PRISON HAVE THE CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION SOUNDING THE ALARM OVER STAFF SAFETY. LOOK AT YOU, AUCKLAND. IS LOOKING GOOD? I THINK SO. ANOTHER MOODY DAY. A FEW SHOWERS. THEY WILL CLEAR THOUGH. PARTLY CLOUDY IN THE EARLY MORNING. SOUTHERLIES TURNING EASTERLY THIS AFTERNOON. IT'S PRETTY, IT LOOKS LIKE A PAINTING. RING IN CHRISTCHURCH. NOW THAT IS BEAUTIFUL. QUAIL ISLAND DOWN THE RIGHT. BEAUTIFUL, LOOKING ACROSS. SHOWERS SHOULD BE CLEARING IN THE AFTERNOON. FROSTY OVERNIGHT. A HIGHER 13. ARE YOU BIASED? NONE AT ALL. AND HERE WE ARE AT VATICAN CITY, ST PETER'S SQUARE. 18 AND MOSTLY FINE. 6:54 ON BREAKFAST. IT IS 6:54 ON BREAKFAST! TWO VIOLENT INCIDENTS SAW SEVERAL PRISON STAFF ASSAULTED AT HAWKE'S BAY REGIONAL PRISON OVER THE WEEKEND. IN ONE INCIDENT, A PRISONER HIT A STAFF MEMBER WITH A SANDWICH PRESS AND THREW HOT WATER AT THREE OTHERS. IN A SECOND, UNRELATED ATTACK, ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER WAS PUNCHED IN THE FACE. THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS SAYS THE PRISON WAS NOT UNDERSTAFFED AT THE TIME, BUT THE CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION CLAIMS OTHERWISE. THE ASSOCIATION'S INDUSTRIAL OFFICER ALAN WHITLEY JOINS US NOW. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED? THE PRISON WERE SEVEN STAFF SHORT. CORRECTIONS HAVE ADMITTED THAT. I HAVE THE SAFETY PLANS FOR THE SHORTAGES WHICH WERE PRETTY SCANT. THE INCIDENT OCCURRED WITH A VIOLENT PRISONER TAKING TO A STAFF MEMBER, HIT HIM WITH A PRESS AND THEN THROUGH HOT WATER. THE HOT WATER HAD SUGAR DISSOLVED INTO IT SO IT STUCK TO HIM, SO IT BURNS A LITTLE MORE. IT WAS A FAIRLY DUSTY AND CALCULATED ATTACK BY THE PRISONER. TO GO TO THE EXTENT OF PUTTING SUGAR IN THERE TO MAKE SURE IT STICKS MEANS HE PREPLANNED IT, SO IT IS A VERY UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT. THE STAFF ARE TOO BADLY INJURED, BUT IT'S A VERY CONCERNING EVENTS WITHIN THE PRISON. JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'VE BEEN TO CORRECTIONS ON THIS, REGARDING THE SUGAR, THEY SAY WE ASKED THEM ABOUT THAT AND THEY HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO VERIFY FROM THERE AND THAT IT IS FORMING PART OF THE INVESTIGATION. REGARDING STAFFING, THEY SAID THAT UNITS WHERE IT TOOK PLACE HAD SOME UNPLANNED STAFF ABSENCES BUT IT WAS ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY. DO YOU ACCEPT THAT? NO. THE ON-CALL MANAGER IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE PRISON HAS ALL THEIR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY DON'T NEED A FULL STAFF MEMBER FOR THE UNIT THROUGH THE CORRESPONDENCE WE HAVE FOR THEM, AND THEY INCREASE THE MUSTER THERE WITH THE BUNKS. DEBTORS ARE CLEVER THEY NEED TO. IN BROADER TERMS, HOW DOES HAVING FEWER STAFF INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT STAFF MIGHT BE ATTACKED? THE PRISONERS KNOW HOW MANY STAFF SHOULD BE THERE AND HOW MANY STAFF ARE NORMALLY THERE. SO WHEN THERE ARE LESS, THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY. BUT ALSO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT IT TAKES LONGER TO DO YOUR DAILY TASKS FOR THE PRISONERS TO GET THEIR NEEDS MET. SO THEY GET FRUSTRATED AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T GET WHAT THEY NEED TO. THEY MAY NOT GET TO THE PHONE TO CALL THEIR FAMILY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN LOCKED DOWN AND THEY'VE MISSED THE TIMESLOT. THAT BUILDS FRUSTRATION UP IF IT HAPPENS TOO OFTEN. SO OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THE FRUSTRATION BOILS OVER. HOW UNDERSTAFFED A PRISON IS GENERALLY AT THE MOMENT AND WHAT KIND OF PRESSURES ARE OUR PRISONS UNDER? WE'VE BEEN UNDERSTAFFED FOR THE LAST ALMOST 2 YEARS, AND WE HAVE BEEN HAVING MANY PRISONERS ROLLING THROUGH OUR DOORS. THERE ARE A LOT MORE PEOPLE GOING TO JAIL, THERE'S A LOT MORE VIOLENCE IN THE OFFENCE, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF VIOLENT PEOPLE IN ONE PLACE AND YOU TRY TO GET THEM TO COHABITATE NICELY AND IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN. IT IS AWFUL WHEN PRISON STAFF GET ASSAULTED. BUT SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT THIS IS PART OF THE JOB AND YOU WILL BE EXPOSED TO THAT RISK. WHAT IS STATED THAT? YES, THERE IS A RISK AND THEY DO A TREMENDOUS JOB IN SOME TRYING CONDITIONS, BUT WE NEED TO MINIMISE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PRISONERS TO ATTACK STAFF AND ONE OF THE THINGS BEFORE I SAID IS THE WAY TO AN ICE ASSAULT IS TO HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF STAFF IN THE RIGHT PLACE. SO IF YOU HAVE FEWER STAFF, THEN YOU HAVE TO ADJUST THE PLANS FOR THE DAY. THAT'S WHAT YOUR CONVENTION IS. WHAT ABOUT THE SUPPORT FOR STAFF AFTER THEY BEEN THROUGH AN EXPERIENCE LIKE THIS? WITH GOT FAIRLY GOOD SUPPORT WITH OUR WELFARE TEAM WITHIN CORRECTIONS, NOW MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DOING OKAY, THE STAFF GET TO SEE THEIR DOCTOR TO SEE IF THEY NEED ANY ONGOING TREATMENT AND ACC PAYS FOR THAT. I CAN'T REALLY FAULT THEIR WELFARE PROCESS. CORRECTION SAYS THEY HAVE INVESTIGATED SIGNIFICANTLY. HAVE YOU BEEN NOTICING THAT THERE IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE? WE HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA TRAINING THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HITTING THE MARKET THE MOMENT. WE HAVE SO MANY NEW STAFF THAT ARE IN THE JOB, 18 MONTHS TO 2 YEARS, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE, EXPERIENCE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CANNOT TEACH. YOU CAN TEACH SKILLS, YOU CAN TEACH PEOPLE WHAT TO EXPECT, BUT YOU CAN'T TEACH THE ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. WHEN YOU GO OUT INTO THE WING AND SOMETHING FEELS WRONG, THAT WE ARE HERE STARTS STANDING UP ON THE BACK OF YOUR NECK THAT YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION. I AM GLAD TO HEAR THE PEOPLE ARE DOING OKAY. AND WE REACHED OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS FOR COMMENT. THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF MEN'S PRISONS, NEIL BEALES, TOLD US VIOLENCE IN PRISON IS NOT TOLERATED, AND ANYONE WHO DISPLAYS SUCH BEHAVIOUR WILL BE HELD TO ACCOUNT, INCLUDING POTENTIALLY FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES. HE ADDED THAT VIOLENCE IS SOMETHING THEY CANNOT ELIMINATE ENTIRELY, BUT DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MINIMISE THIS RISK, INCLUDING INVESTING SIGNIFICANTLY IN TRAINING TO KEEP STAFF SAFE. IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT COMES OF THEIR INVESTIGATIONS INTO THIS INCIDENT. COMING UP ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING ` THE DEATH OF POPE FRANCIS HAS TRIGGERED A PERIOD OF MOURNING IN THE VATICAN. WE'RE LIVE TO ROME FOR THE LATEST IN JUST A MOMENT. ALSO AHEAD, CHRIS HIPKINS JOINS US. HOW DOES THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION RATE THE PM'S MEETING WITH HIS BRITISH COUNTERPART? PLUS, AS THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS STUDYING TO BECOME TEACHERS IS DROPPING ON SOME COURSES. WHAT TEACHERS ARE DOING TO TRY AND ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CLASSROOM. IT'S 7 O'CLOCK. HERE'S THE NEWS. 1 NEWS UNDERSTANDS PRIME MINISTER CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL 'VERY LIKELY' ATTEND THE POPE'S FUNERAL THIS SATURDAY AT 8pm NEW ZEALAND TIME. POPE FRANCIS IS CURRENTLY IN AN OPEN CASKET AT THE CHAPEL OF CASA SANTA MARTA, THE VATICAN RESIDENCE WHERE HE LIVED DURING HIS 12-YEAR PAPACY. TOMORROW HE WILL BE MOVED TO ST PETER'S BASILICA, WHERE HE WILL BE MOURNED PUBLICLY. HIS FUNERAL WILL TAKE PLACE THERE IN THE OUTDOORS BEFORE HIS BURIAL AT ST MARY MAJOR. OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION OF NEW ZEALAND'S REPRESENTATIVE AT THE FUNERAL IS EXPECTED SOON. AND LUXON HAS MET WITH HIS BRITISH COUNTERPART SIR KEIR STARMER THIS MORNING, SAYING THE PAIR HAD A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE BILATERAL ENGAGEMENT ON TRADE. WHEN ASKED WHETHER THEY DISCUSSED U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, HE SAYS THEY DISCUSSED THE GENERAL TARIFF ENVIRONMENT AND BOTH REMAIN, 'COOL, CALM AND COLLECTED' ABOUT IT. WE WANT A POSITIVE, CONSTRUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE US. WE BOTH HAVE GOOD CONNECTIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION. AND ALSO, WE BOTH HAVE A DESIRE TO GROW OUR ECONOMIES AND THAT REQUIRES US TO ACCELERATE TRADE WITH ALL COUNTRIES. HE IS NOW SET TO HEAD TO GALLIPOLI FOR ANZAC DAY COMMEMORATIONS. GREYMOUTH RESIDENTS REMAIN CONCERNED OVER THEIR WATER QUALITY, WITH A BOIL WATER NOTICE REMAINING IN PLACE FOR ALMOST TWO WEEKS. IT COMES AS THE COUNCIL STRUGGLES TO IDENTIFY THE SOURCE OF A BACTERIAL CONTAMINATION IN THE WATER SUPPLY, WHICH THEY BELIEVE COULD BE LINKED TO A BROKEN PIPE OR BACKFLOW ISSUE. THE COUNCIL SAYS SAMPLES HAVE BEEN CLEAR SINCE LAST THURSDAY, AND THE NOTICE SHOULD BE LIFTED SHORTLY. A MAJOR TRUCK FIRE IN THE U.S. STATE OF INDIANA FORCED SEVERAL LANES OF A MAJOR HIGHWAY TO BE SHUT DOWN. FLAMES AND LARGE PLUMES OF SMOKE COULD BE SEEN FROM SEVERAL KILOMETRES AWAY. LOCAL MEDIA HAVE REPORTED NO ONE WAS INJURED IN THE INCIDENT, AND THE ROAD HAS SINCE REOPENED. FORMER AUSTRALIA TEST CRICKETER MICHAEL SLATER HAS BEEN GIVEN A FOUR-YEAR PRISON SENTENCE AFTER PLEADING GUILTY TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CHARGES. BUT THE 55-YEAR-OLD WILL WALK FREE, AS HE HAS SERVED MORE THAN A YEAR IN CUSTODY, WITH THE REMAINDER OF HIS SENTENCE SUSPENDED. SLATER PLAYED 74 TESTS FOR AUSTRALIA ACROSS EIGHT YEARS, RETIRING IN 2004 BEFORE BECOMING A COMMENTATOR. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE MARKETS. (FUNKY MUSIC) AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER THIS MORNING. PARTLY CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF THE NORTH ISLAND HERE, WITH A FEW SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU. THIS WILL GET HEAVIER IN THE EVENING FOR THOSE IN THE FAR NORTH. A HIGH OF 21 IN KAITAIA. 14 IN THE CAPITAL. TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` SIMILAR STORY HERE. CLOUDY PERIODS WITH SOME ISOLATED SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU, CLEARING TO FINE EARLY ON FOR THOSE ALONG THE WEST COAST. 13 THE HIGH FOR THOSE IN CHRISTCHURCH. 12 IN DUNEDIN. THE DEATH OF POPE FRANCIS HAS PROMPTED AN OUTPOURING OF GRIEF FROM CATHOLICS ACROSS THE WORLD AND TRIGGERED A PERIOD OF MOURNING IN THE VATICAN. IT ALSO SIGNALS THE START OF A CENTURIES-OLD PROCESS TO ELECT HIS SUCCESSOR. 1 NEWS EUROPE CORRESPONDENT MEI HERON IS IN ROME THIS MORNING, AND JOINS US LIVE. MORENA, MEI. THERE ARE MORE DETAILS ANNOUNCED OVERNIGHT REGARDING THE MOVEMENT OF THE POPE'S BODY AND THE FUNERAL. TELL US ABOUT THAT. WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT THE POPE'S BODY WILL BE MOVED AROUND EIGHT OR 7 O'CLOCK NEW ZEALAND TIME TONIGHT. IT WILL BE MOVED INTO ST PETER'S THE SILICA. THERE, THE COFFIN ALL THE WAY OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND PAY THEIR RESPECTS. YOU MAY REMEMBER A SIMILAR PROCESS WHEN THE QUEEN PASSED AWAY A FEW YEARS AGO. IN TERMS OF THE POPE, AND PREVIOUS TRADITIONS, THE POPE HAS BEEN RAISED ON THIS HIGH PLATFORM. IT HAS BEEN AN ELABORATE AFFAIR. BUT THIS TIME, HE JUST WANTED A SIMPLE COFFIN TO BE LAID OPEN TO BE INSIDE IT, AND THE PEOPLE TO COME AND PAY THEIR RESPECTS. HE WANTED TO BE. JUST LIKE ANY SON AND DAUGHTER OF GOD. WE HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF THE FUNERAL PLANS AS WELL, WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE ON SATURDAY NIGHT, NEW ZEALAND TIME, WHERE LOTS OF WORLD LEADERS HAVE SAID THEY WILL COME. WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP AND PRINCE WILLIAM HAS ALSO SAID HE WILL COME ON BEHALF OF THE KING. UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT IS UNDERSTOOD TO BE COMING AS WELL, AS WELL AS OUR VERY OWN PRIME MINISTER CHRISTOPHER LUXON. OF COURSE HE IS ALREADY HERE, ON THE SIDE OF THE WORLD IN THE UK. WE UNDERSTAND HE WILL BE HERE FOR THE FUNERAL AS WELL, AND THAT CONFIRMATION WILL HOPEFULLY COME IN THE NEXT FEW HOURS. AND WE NOW KNOW MORE ABOUT HIS BURIAL, TOO, WHERE HE'S REALLY BREAKING TRADITION. YES. WE ARE OUTSIDE THE SANTA MARIA CHURCH, THE BASILICA THAT WAS ONE OF HIS FAVOURITE PLACES. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SEE AND HEAR BEHIND ME THAT A VISUAL HAS JUST DARTED. THIS WAS HIS FAVOURITE PLACES TO COME. HE LOVES TO COME HERE AND PRAY. HE WOULD COME AND PRAY BEFORE AND AFTER EVERY OVERSEAS TRIP. SINCE THE NEWS OF HIM BEING BURIED HERE HAS BROKEN MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME TO SEE THE CHURCH. THIS IS WHAT SOME HAVE SAID TO ME TODAY. I'VE BEEN IN ROME FOR FAMILY VACATION AND I HAVE BEEN WALKING THE STREETS AND READ THE NEWS ARTICLE THAT HE WOULD BE THE FIRST AND 100 YEARS. OUTSIDE THE VATICAN, AND YOU HAD TO COME AND SEE. WE WANTED TO COME BEFORE IT GOT BUSY AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SEE, AND EVEN IF WE DON'T CM, WHERE LEASE CAN SAY WE CAME. WHAT YOU THINK THAT SAYS ABOUT HIM AS A POPE? THAT HE WANTED TO BE DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER ONES. IN MY OPINION, POPE FRANCIS WAS REVOLUTIONARY. WE ARE HUNDRED PERCENT WANTED TO COME INTO PAY OUR RESPECTS. AND I THINK LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE SAID THERE, THIS WAS A POPE THAT WANTED TO BE DIFFERENT, AND HIS BURIAL IS NO DIFFERENT. IT WILL BE IN A VERY SIMPLE COFFIN AND A TERM THAT WON'T BE DECORATED JUST WITH HIS NAME ON TOP. HE WILL BE THE FIRST POPE TO BE BURIED OUTSIDE THE LETTER CAN AND ARE HUNDRED AND 20 YEARS. WE ARE ONLY A FEW KILOMETRES AWAY FROM THE VATICAN. THIS IS THE SENSE THAT HE WAS AIMING FOR, TO BE BURIED MORE AMONG HIS PEOPLE. THE VATICAN HAS ALSO RELEASED MORE DETAILS AROUND HIS FINAL HOURS. WHAT DO WE KNOW? WE'VE SEEN THOSE PICTURES, HAVEN'T WE, OF THE 88 YEAR OLD ON EASTER SUNDAY BEING WHEELED OUT, FRAIL, BUT THEN HOPPING INTO THE POPE MIGHT POPE MOBILE, HE WOKE UP EARLY THE NEXT MORNING, AND IT WAS ABOUT AN HOUR LATER THAT HIS MEDICAL TEAM GOT AN ALERT TO GO SEE THE POPE, THAT SOMETHING WASN'T QUITE RIGHT, EMERGENCY SERVICES TRANSFERRED INTO A NEARBY HOSPITAL, AND WE KNOW THAT CALL WAS CANCELLED ABOUT HALF AN HOUR LATER, THAT'S WHERE WE KNOW THE POPE DIED AROUND 730 IN THE MORNING. SO A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND. HE DIED OF A STROKE AND EVENTUALLY HEART FAILURE. IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN 24 HOURS ON FROM THE POPE'S DEATH. GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT IT'S BEEN LIKE ON THE GROUND AND THE PEOPLE COMING TO PAY THEIR RESPECTS. YES, I THINK THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CROWD BEHIND ME THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL COMING OUT AND PAYING THEIR RESPECTS. IN QUITE A FORMAL WAY, WHERE THERE IS SOMETHING QUITE STRUCTURED, BUT ALSO IN THEIR OWN WAY. NOT JUST HERE BUT ALSO AT THE VATICAN, WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN CROWD IS JUST COMING THROUGHOUT THE DAY, RELENTLESS. PEOPLE COMING IN AND PAYING THEIR RESPECTS. THE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WE ARE TALKING TO, THEY ARE EITHER LOCALS OR HAVEN'T TRAVELLED VERY FAR, OR HAPPEN TO BE HERE ON HOLIDAY. WE CAN EXPECT THE NUMBERS TO RAMP UP OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. A NEW ZEALAND REPRESENTATIVES WILL LIKELY BE ARRIVING, AND IF YOU GET THAT SENSE IN TERMS OF THE SECURITY AS WELL. WE CAN SEE BARRICADES GOING UP WITH IT WENT BEFORE. ALL OF THIS WILL REALLY JUST RAMP UP IN THE COMING DAYS AS WE WILL HEAD TOWARDS THE FUNERAL ON SATURDAY NEW ZEALAND TIME. LIVE FROM ROME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. JUST AMAZING TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE JUST OUT AND ABOUT. NOT ONLY PAYING THEIR RESPECTS, BUT ALSO JUST WANTING TO YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF HISTORY. YOU WERE KIND OF IN THE CENTRE OF THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE RIGHT. THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST VISITING, JUST HAPPENS TO BE THERE, SAYING LOOK, I WOULD JUST POP ON DOWN GIVEN I AM HERE.. WHEN IN ROME, SO TO SPEAK. E HAERE AKE NEI ` LABOUR LEADER CHRIS HIPKINS JOINS US NEXT. # WHEN IT SAID AND DONE, I WILL KEEP HOLDING ON. # EVEN IN THE SILENCE. # I CAN HEAR YOUR VOICE. # Slow. # Release. # Energy. # Energy. # Ready. # Set. # Flow. # Energy. # Energy. # E-N-E-R-G-Y. # # Slow. # Release. # Energy. # VOICEOVER: Flow through your day with new V Riise. (SONG): 'COLD AS ICE' BY FOREIGNER BEN: Hello? From the bank? Really? VOICEOVER: Know it's really ASB with Caller Check. (PHONE RINGING) # You're as cold as ice # We can verify it's us through the ASB Mobile Banking app. BEN: Oh, it is you ASB! (UPBEAT MUSIC) WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. HERE'S WHAT'S MAKING NEWS THIS MORNING. 1 NEWS UNDERSTANDS PRIME MINISTER CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL 'VERY LIKELY' ATTEND THE POPE'S FUNERAL THIS SATURDAY AT 8pm NEW ZEALAND TIME. BACK HERE, GREYMOUTH RESIDENTS REMAIN CONCERNED OVER THEIR WATER QUALITY, WITH A BOIL WATER NOTICE REMAINING IN PLACE FOR ALMOST TWO WEEKS. AND IN SPORT, THE WARRIORS WELCOME BACK TWO KEY PLAYERS FOR THEIR ANZAC DAY CLASH AGAINST THE KNIGHTS IN CHRISTCHURCH. LABOUR LEADER CHRIS HIPKINS HAS ADDED HIS TRIBUTES TO THOSE OF LEADERS AROUND THE WORLD, MARKING THE DEATH OF POPE FRANCIS. CHRIS HIPKINS IS WITH US THIS MORNING. GOOD MORNING. HOW HAVE YOU REFLECTED ON THE DEATH OF THE POPE? I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAUSES THAT THE POPE DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO FIGHTING FOR THE POOR, FIGHTING FOR THOSE WHO WERE DISADVANTAGED, FIGHTING FOR THOSE WHO LIVE AT THE MARGINS OF OUR SOCIETIES AROUND THE WORLD, I THINK YOU HAVE TO ADMIRE THAT, AND SO HIS CONTRIBUTION HAS BEEN ENORMOUS. I THINK HE HAS ALSO LED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THROUGH WHAT HAS UNDOUBTEDLY BEEN A FAIRLY TURBULENT RECKONING WITH ITS OWN HISTORY, AND I KNOW THAT CLEARLY CANNOT HAVE BEEN EASY. SO I HAVE HUGE ADMIRATION FOR POPE FRANCIS. HOW DO YOU KIND OF REFLECT, AS A LEADER YOURSELF, ON THE INTERSECTION OF POLITICS AND RELIGION FOR SOMEONE LIKE POPE FRANCIS? I GUESS THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT ROLES AND A SENSE THAT ONCE THE POPE IS THERE, THEY ARE THERE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. POLITICIANS DO NOT GET THAT. THAT IS PROBABLY A VERY HEALTHY THING. I THINK HE WAS NOT AFRAID TO CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO, WAS NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT ON ISSUES THAT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIM. HE PUT THINGS LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE VATICAN. THAT WAS A REALLY BIG AND BOLD MOVE, AND IT WAS ONE THAT I ADMIRE ENORMOUSLY. I THINK WE SHOULD TRY AND KEEP OUR RELIGION AND OUR POLITICS ARE SEPARATE, BUT PEOPLE'S OWN MORAL STANDING AND THEIR OWN PRIVATE LIVES IS THEIR BUSINESS, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, YOU CAN ALWAYS DRAW INSPIRATION FROM FIGURES LIKE POPE FRANCIS, AND CERTAINLY I THINK HE HAS BEEN AN INSPIRATION TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THE CAUSE OF SOCIAL JUSTICE. THE PRIME MINISTER IS IN THE UNITED KINGDOM. HE HAD JUST MET WITH THE PRIME MINISTER. HE HAS ANNOUNCED AN EXTENSION OF THE ASSISTANCE TO UKRAINE. IS THAT THE RIGHT CALL? I THINK IT IS. I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN TO DO MORE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL DEPENDING ON ULTIMATELY IF A A PEACE AGREEMENT IS REACHED. I THINK WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO PLAYING A ROLE IN THAT. AT THE MOMENT, I THINK THE ROLE AND OUR DEFENCE FORCE IN HELPING TO TRAIN UKRAINIAN TRIPS IS A VERY POSITIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE ONE. I KNOW WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE UK. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT OUR TRAINERS JUST UNDER TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS OVER IN THE UK AS PRIME MINISTER, AND I THINK THEY ARE DOING AN AMAZING JOB, AND I THINK EXTENDING THEIR DEPLOYMENT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THE UNITED STATES HAVE PROVED ITSELF TO BE SOMEWHAT UNRELIABLE IN THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION, OR AT THE VERY LEAST SUBJECT TO VOLATILE CHANGES IN POLICY. HE SAID IF THERE WAS A PEACE DEAL REACHED, NEW ZEALAND COULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INVOLVEMENT. BUT WHAT IF A PEACE DEAL IS NOT REACHED, AND THE UNITED STATES WITHDRAWS CURRENT SUPPORT? WOULD YOU SUPPORT NEW ZEALAND DOING MORE? I THINK AT THE MOMENT, THE DEPLOYMENT WE HAVE GOT THERE IS A GOOD DEPLOYMENT. IT IS AN APPROPRIATE ROLE FOR NEW ZEALAND AS A RELATIVELY SMALL COUNTRY TO PLAY. I THINK IF THEY COULD BE EXTENDED FURTHER, AND EVEN SLIGHTLY EXPANDED, I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT. I THINK THERE IS POTENTIAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT REACHED BETWEEN THE NEW ZEALAND EXPORTING DRONES TO THE UK, TO THE UK DEFENCE FORCE, THAT MAY END UP GOING TO UKRAINE. I THINK IF WE CAN LOOK FOR INNOVATIVE WAYS FOR NEW ZEALAND TO PROVIDE SUPPORT AND ARRANGEMENTS LIKE THAT, I AM VERY OPEN TO THAT AS WELL. WHEN YOU SAY EXPANDED, IS THAT THE KIND OF EXPANSION YOU MEAN? LOOK, LET'S SEE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TALK TO THE UKRAINE AND THE UNITED KINGDOM ABOUT. THEY NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THEY NEED AND BUILD THE INTERNATIONAL COALITION OF SUPPORT. WERE AT US IN GOVERNMENT, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE VERY MUCH GUIDED BY THOSE SORTS OF CONVERSATIONS. BACK TO MY QUESTION. I GUESS IT WOULD BE NAIVE FOR ANY COUNTRY AT THE MOMENT TO 100% RELY ON THE UNITED STATES OLDING ITS CURRENT POSITION ON UKRAINE. ON THE EVENT THAT THE UNITED STATES SWIFTLY WITHDREW ITS SUPPORT IN THE UKRAINE, WOULD YOU SUPPORT NEW ZEALAND DOING MUCH MORE? I THINK EUROPE IS GOING TO NEED TO REALLY STEP UP ITS EFFORT. I THINK EUROPE HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, AND YOU ARE SEEING SIGNS OF EUROPE REALLY STEPPING UP THEIR PREPARATIONS IN THE EVENT THAT THE UNITED STATES WAS TO START TO WITHDRAW AND STEP BACK ITS SUPPORT. I THINK EUROPE WILL BE READY, I HOPE, TO STEP IN AND FILL A LOT OF THAT VOID. BUT IF THERE ARE ROLES THAT NEW ZEALAND CAN PLAY, RECOGNISING THAT WE ARE A SMALL MILITARY, I THINK WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS. AND WHAT OTHER TANGIBLE WAYS DO YOU THINK NEW ZEALAND SHOULD BE LOOKING TO EXPAND ITS TRADING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK? THE UK FREE TRADE AGREEMENT CAME INTO FORCE JUST UNDER TWO YEARS AGO NOW. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE UNDER OUR PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT. IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ADD ABOUT $1 BILLION A YEAR TO NEW ZEALAND'S ECONOMY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BIG EXPORT CENTRES TO THE UK, WINE IS AT THE TOP-OF-THE-LINE FOLLOWED BY SERVICES, LOW BY RED MEAT, AND I THINK DAIRY IS NEXT AFTER THAT. THERE IS REAL POTENTIAL FOR EXPANSION THERE, I THINK ABOUT 99% OF OUR EXPORTS GO INTO THE UK WILL BE TARIFF FREE UNDER THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. IT IS A BIG AGREEMENT. WHEN WE GOT A BIG AGREEMENT WITH CHINA ALL OF THOSE YEARS AGO, TOOK SOME TIME TO BUILD UP THE DEMAND WITHIN THAT ECONOMY FOR NEW ZEALAND'S PRODUCTS AND SERVICES. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A SIMILAR APPROACH TO THE UK INTO THE EU. THE FACT THAT THE PRIME MINISTERS THERE IS A GOOD THING, BECAUSE THERE IS HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US THERE. IN THE LEAD UP TO THE EASTER BREAK, IT WAS INTERESTING TO OBSERVE THAT THE MAORI PARTY CAME UP WITH A POLICY POSITION WHICH THEY SAID MAORI SHOULD BE RECEIVING NEW ZEALAND SUPER MUCH EARLIER THAN OTHER NEW ZEALANDERS TO ACCOUNT FOR A SHORTER LIFE EXPECTANCY. YOUR PARTY CAME UNDER IMMEDIATE PRESSURE TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD SUPPORT THAT POLICY, AND YOU SAY YOU DO NOT. A FAIRNESS IS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE UNDERLINING IT. WOULD IT BE FAIR FOR MAORI TO RECEIVE SUPER EARLY? I AM NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT A LOWER LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR MAORI. I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT THE UNDERLYING CAUSES OF THAT. WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT THE SYSTEMIC WEAKNESSES IN THE HEALTH SYSTEM THAT MEAN THAT MAORI GET WORSE OUTCOMES FROM OUR HEALTH SYSTEM THAN NON-MAORI DO. THOSE ARE THE ISSUES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. I THINK SUPERANNUATION DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM. I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD SETTLE FOR THE FACT THAT MAORI LIFE EXPECTANCY IS SHORTER THAN FOR NON-MAORI OR THAT MAORI ARE MORE LIKELY TO DIE OF CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAN NON-MAORI. I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, AND WE SHOULD. I DO NOT THINK ANYONE WOULD BE DISPUTING THAT, BUT TURNING THAT SHIP IS GOING TO TAKE AN AWFULLY LONG TIME, AND POTENTIALLY GENERATIONS. IN THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO SEE A MORE EQUITABLE LIFE EXPECTANCY BETWEEN MAORI AND NON-MAORI, WOULDN'T IT BE FAIR FOR MATT MURRAY TO HAVE SUPER EARLIER THAN OTHER NEW ZEALANDERS? THE GREATEST PROTECTION FOR FAIRNESS IN RETIREMENT IS UNIVERSAL SUPERANNUATION FROM A SET AGE FOR EVERYBODY, WHICH IS THE AGE OF 65. THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE ISSUES THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT THEIR IF YOU WANTED TO BE MORE TARGETED, BUT ULTIMATELY WHEN YOU GO DOWN THAT ROAD, YOU ACTUALLY START TO DRAW INTO QUESTION THE UNIVERSAL NATURE OF THE ENTITLEMENT, AND I THINK THAT IS DANGEROUS TERRITORY TO GET INTO, BECAUSE YOU COULD IS LIMITED THE ARGUMENT THAT SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN DOING MANUAL LABOUR WORK FOR THEIR ENTIRE WORKING LIFE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RETIRE EARLY AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY WILL ALSO HAVE A LOWER LIFE EXPECTANCY THAN SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN DOING AN OFFICE JOB. I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD GET INTO THAT TERRITORY SAYING YOU ARE MORE WORTHY THAN THIS OTHER PERSON. UNIVERSAL SUPERANNUATION MEANS EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM IT. THAT MEANS THERE IS NOT A STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH TAKING IT BECAUSE EVERYBODY GETS IT. I THINK IT IS A VERY FAIR WAY OF DELIVERING IT FOR ALL NEW ZEALANDERS. YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR EVERY SINGLE POLICY THAT THE MAORI PARTY OR THE GREENS COME UP WITH, YOU WILL BE ASKED TO RULE IT AND I WILL LET OUT. WHAT HAS LAST WEEK'S EXPERIENCE TAUGHT YOU ABOUT THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN? I THINK THE NATIONAL PARTY ARE GOING TO FIND THE SAME THING. WHEN NEW ZEALAND FIRST RELEASED THEIR LATEST POPULOUS THERE WAS ONSLAUGHT ABOUT DEPLETING WHO COULD USE WHICH BATHROOMS, CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL FIND SOME ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. WHEN THE ACT PARTY CAMPAIGN ON THE TREATY BILL AND RESURRECTING THAT, THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO THAT. I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT THE LARGER PARTIES IN PARLIAMENT, SO LABOUR AND NATIONAL, MAKE CLEAR WHAT THEY WOULD AND WOULD NOT BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING AND NEGOTIATING, AND IF IT IS NO, WE NEED TO SAY THAT. WHAT I WILL NOT DO IS WHAT CHRISTOPHER LUXON DID AND RULE THINGS OUT BEFORE THE ELECTION PUT THEM BACK ON THE TABLE AFTER THE ELECTION. I DO NOT THINK THAT IS RIGHT OR FAIR ON THE NEW ZEALAND PEOPLE. I THINK WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT SOMETHING, YOU SHOULD NOT SUPPORT IT. YOU SHOULD NOT CHANGE YOUR MIND AFTER THE ELECTION. DO YOU RECKON ANDREW LITTLE WHEN THE AUCKLAND MAYORALTY? I THINK HE IS IN WITH A VERY GOOD SHOT. HE HAS HAD A VERY WARM RECEPTION FROM THE WELLINGTONIAN THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO OVER THE LAST WEEK OR SO SOMETHING ENOUGH THAT HE WAS RUNNING. I THINK HE WILL RUN A VERY STRONG CAMPAIGN. I THINK IF HE WINS, WHICH I CERTAINLY HOPE HE DOES, I THINK HE WILL BE A VERY STRONG MAYOR FOR WELLINGTON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. A MURI I NGA WHAKATAIRANGA ` YOUR 7.30 NEWS, SPORT AND WEATHER. (UPBEAT MUSIC) LOOK AT YOU, TE WHANGANUI-A-TARA. PARTLY CLOUDY, WITH RAIN FOR A TIME THIS MORNING. SOUTHERLIES, BECOMING FRESH THIS MORNING. HEADING FOR A HIGH, WAIT FOR IT, TEKAU MA WHA. OTEPOTDUNEDIN 12, A PERIOD OF MORNING RAIN, THEN FINE SPELLS OTEPOTI DUNEDIN 12, A PERIOD OF MORNING RAIN, THEN FINE SPELLS INCREASING BECOMING FROSTY OVERNIGHT. I HAVE TO SAY, THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL SHOT. IT IS. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I WAS IN DUNEDIN. JEWEL OF THE SOUTH, YOU'RE MISSING OUT. IT'S GOT CHARACTER, DUNEDIN. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE DESCENDED ON ROME AHEAD OF THE POPE'S FUNERAL, WHICH HAS BEEN CONFIRMED FOR THIS SATURDAY EVENING NEW ZEALAND TIME. HIS BODY WILL BE MOVED TO ST PETER'S BASILICA TO BE PUBLICLY MOURNED TOMORROW. HE'S CURRENTLY IN AN OPEN CASKET AT THE CHAPEL OF HIS VATICAN RESIDENCE, CASA SANTA MARTA. AT THE CHAPEL OF HIS VATICAN RESIDENCE, CASA SANTA MARTA. AND THE PRISON HAD RIGHT AMOUNT OF STAFF TO UNLOCK PRISONERS. BUT THE UNION FOR CORRECTIONS WORKERS SAYS STAFF TOLD HIM THEY WERE STILL TRYING TO OPERATE NORMALLY, AND WHEN PRISONERS NOTICE FEWER WORKERS, THEY SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY. WHAT HAPPENS AS IT TAKES LONGER TO DO YOUR DAILY TASKS FOR THE PRISONS, TO GET THE NEEDS MET. THERE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THEIR FAMILY BECAUSE THEY MISS THE TIMESLOT. IT CAN BUILD FRUSTRATION UP OF IT HAPPENS TOO OFTEN IN THE SAME UNIT. THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF MEN'S PRISONS, NEIL BEALES SAYS... RENTAL LISTINGS ON TRADEME HAVE HIT AN 11-YEAR HIGH ACCORDING TO THE COMPANY'S LATEST PROPERTY REPORT. THE NUMBER OF RENTAL PROPERTIES HAS INCREASED BY 41% IN THE YEAR TO MARCH, THE HIGHEST IT'S BEEN SINCE EARLY 2014. THE NATIONAL MEDIAN WEEKLY RENT IS $635 ` A 2.3% DECREASE YEAR ON YEAR, WITH RENTS FALLING THE MOST STEEPLY IN WELLINGTON. MEANWHILE, CORELOGIC SAYS THE HOUSING MARKET IS SHOWING SIGNS OF RECOVERY, WITH NATIONAL SALES ACTIVITY RISING IN THE YEAR TO MARCH. TO SPORT, AND WARRIORS FRONT-ROWER JACKSON FORD IS SET TO MAKE HIS 50TH APPEARANCE FOR THE CLUB IN THE ANZAC DAY CLASH AGAINST NEWCASTLE IN CHRISTCHURCH. FULLBACK CHARNZE NICOLL-KLOKSTAD HAS BEEN NAMED TO START AFTER MISSING LAST WEEK'S MATCH DUE TO CONCUSSION. ALSO RETURNING IS CENTRE ROCCO BERRY, WHO SERVED A ONE-MATCH SUSPENSION AFTER PLEADING GUILTY TO A CARELESS HIGH TACKLE DURING HIS SIDE'S ROUND FIVE LOSS TO THE STORM. THE MATCH KICKS OFF AT 8.05 ON FRIDAY NIGHT AT APOLLO PROJECTS STADIUM. UP THE WAHS. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE MARKETS. (GROOVY MUSIC) DO YOU RECKON THIS WOULD MAKE IT INTO YOUR NIGHTCLUB, JACK? AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER THIS MORNING. PARTLY CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF THE NORTH ISLAND HERE, WITH A FEW SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU. THIS WILL GET HEAVIER IN THE EVENING FOR THOSE IN THE FAR NORTH. A HIGH OF 21 IN KAITAIA. 14 IN TE WHANGANUI-A-TARA, THE CAPITAL. KI TE WAIPOUNAMU, TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` SIMILAR STORY HERE. CLOUDY PERIODS WITH SOME ISOLATED SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU, CLEARING TO FINE EARLY ON FOR THOSE ALONG THE WEST COAST. 13 THE HIGH FOR THOSE IN OTAUTAHI CHRISTCHURCH. 12 IN OTEPOTI DUNEDIN. AS WE JUST HEARD IN NEWS, THE POPE'S BODY WILL BE MOVED TO ST PETER'S BASILICA TOMORROW, WHERE HE WILL BE PUBLICLY MOURNED. HIS DEATH HAS STARTED OFF A SERIES OF TRADITIONS THAT IN A FEW WEEKS WILL CULMINATE IN A VOTE FOR THE NEXT PONTIFF. EARLIER, WE SPOKE WITH CATHOLIC CHURCH HISTORIAN MILES PATTENDEN, WHO BELIEVES THERE ARE TWO OBVIOUS FRONT-RUNNERS. ONE IS THE CARDINAL SECRETARY OF STATE, PIETRO PAROLIN, WHO WAS FRANCIS'S DEPUTY IN EFFECT THROUGH THE LAST DECADE, AND HE OBVIOUSLY REPRESENTS CONTINUITY AND THAT WE WOULD EXPECT THE SAME REGIME WITHIN THE VATICAN ` THERE WOULD BE A CONTINUITY OF POLICIES AND PERSONNEL AND SO ON. THE OTHER LEADING CANDIDATE IS THE FILIPINO CARDINAL LUIS TAGLE, WHO REPRESENTS A CONTINUITY OF STYLE, IN A WAY. HE'S A HIGHLY CHARISMATIC MAN WHO'S VERY FOCUSED ON HIS MISSION TO THE POOR AND THE MISSION OF PRESENCE, THAT HE'S THERE AMONGST THE PEOPLE. THAT'S VERY MUCH HOW FRANCIS WANTED TO PRESENT HIMSELF. SO THE CARDINALS HAVE THIS OBVIOUS CHOICE ` DO THEY CONTINUE WITH FRANCIS', UM, PERSONNEL OR HIS STYLE? AND IF NEITHER OF THOSE OPTIONS COMMANDS THAT MAJORITY, THEN THEY'LL START LOOKING TO A WIDER GROUP OF CARDINALS. THERE ARE AT LEAST 10 OR 12 THAT I'VE SEEN MENTIONED, ALL OF WHOM ARE QUITE PLAUSIBLE AS CANDIDATES, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PICK BETWEEN THEM. YEAH, HAS THE CHURCH SURPRISED US BEFORE WITH IT'S CHOICE OF POPE, AND COULD THAT HAPPEN AGAIN? THE CHURCH OFTEN SURPRISES US WITH THE CHOICE OF POPE. AND ONE THING WHICH IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND, IN A WAY, IS THAT THE POPE PICKS ALL THE CARDINALS. FRANCIS HAS CHOSEN 80% OF THE CARDINALS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PART IN THIS CONCLAVE. YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE OR TO INFLUENCE HIS SUCCESSOR, BUT IT NEVER QUITE WORKS OUT LIKE THAT, PARTLY BECAUSE ALL CARDINALS ARE EXPERIENCED MEN. THEY'RE VERY INDEPENDENT-MINDED, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE POPE WHO CHOSEN THEM IS NO LONGER POPE, AND THEY'LL MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS VERY UNPREDICTABLE, AND THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THE KINDS OF FACTORS THAT THEY MIGHT CONSIDER, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES EACH CARDINAL WILL THINK MORE OR LESS IMPORTANT, AND HOW THEY'LL MAP THEM ON TO PARTICULAR CANDIDATES. THE ONLY THING WE CAN` SORRY, CARRY ON. THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN REALLY SAY IS THAT THE CARDINALS WILL FEEL UNDER QUITE A LOT OF PRESSURE TO REACH THIS DECISION QUITE QUICKLY. THEY KNOW THAT THE EYES OF THE ENTIRE WORLD ARE LOOKING ON THEM IN ROME, AND IF THEY TAKE MORE THAN A FEW DAYS OVER IT, THEN THERE'LL START TO BE SOME MURMURING ABOUT THE PROCESS. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY ALREADY USING THE TIME THEY HAVE NOW TO TRY AND WORK OUT WHAT ARE THE LIKELY PERMUTATIONS, AND WHO MAY OR MAY NOT COMMAND THE NECESSARY MAJORITY AND CONSENSUS. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT INSTABILITY, AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER GLOBAL PRESSURES, POLITICAL INSTABILITY OR SHIFTING SOCIAL ATTITUDES, AND HOW MUCH THAT COULD ACTUALLY SHAPE IS WAS CHOSEN AS THE NEW POPE. WELL, I THINK IT COULD SHAPE IT A LOT. AND THIS YEAR, WE'VE SEEN A LOT MORE GLOBAL INSTABILITY IN CERTAIN WAYS, PARTICULARLY WITH THE ASSERTIVENESS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION IN THE UNITED STATES. POPE FRANCIS WAS ACTUALLY QUITE VOCAL IN HIS OPPOSITION TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS POLICIES TO AN EXTENT THAT ACTUALLY WAS POTENTIALLY ALARMING TO BOTH SIDES, AND WHICH MAY BE WHY VICE PRESIDENT VANCE MET WITH HIM JUST THE DAY BEFORE HIS DEATH. THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO REBUILD BRIDGES BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE POPE TO BE SEEN AGAINST` AS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT OF A COUNTRY WITH SO MANY CATHOLICS. BUT THE CARDINALS WILL ALL HAVE THEIR OWN VIEWS ON THAT KIND OF THING AS WELL ` DO THEY WANT ANOTHER POPE WHO'S GOING TO STAND UP FOR THOSE WHO THEY MAY SEE AS BEING SUPPRESSED BY THE AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION'S POLICIES, OR DO THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO'LL BE MORE CONCILIATORY? THESE ARE... THESE ARE THE FACTORS THAT WILL MATTER TO THEM. HM. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PRESSURE THAT IS ON THE CONCLAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, AND MAKE A DECISION FAIRLY QUICKLY, BUT HOW LONG CAN THIS PROCESS ACTUALLY GO ON FOR? WELL, UNDER THE CURRENT RULES, IT SHOULDN'T REALLY GO ON FOR MUCH LONGER THAN TWO WEEKS BECAUSE BENEDICT XVI, BEFORE HE RESIGNED, UH, INSTITUTED A NEW RULE THAT IF AFTER 30 BALLOTS IT'S NOT BEEN DECIDED, THEN THERE'S EFFECTIVELY A RUN-OFF BETWEEN THE TOP TWO CANDIDATES. SO THAT OUGHT TO LIMIT THE PROCESS TO JUST OVER TWO WEEKS. BUT IN RECENT CONCLAVES OVER THE PAST 50 OR 60 YEARS, ACTUALLY, THE ELECTION HAS BEEN MUCH QUICKER. THE AVERAGE LENGTH HAS BEEN THREE DAYS. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR EXPECTED TIMELINE. FANTASTIC TO GET HIS EXPERTISE ON THIS, IT WILL BE REALLY INTRIGUING TO WATCH IT ALL UNFOLD. KNOWING THERE WILL STILL BE THE ELEMENT OF SECRECY THAT COMES WITH THE CONCLAVE, FASCINATING. ME U TONU MAI ` THE CORONER'S INQUEST INTO THE DEATH OF ELITE CYCLIST OLIVIA PODMORE HAS RESUMED. WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE NEXT. (GROOVY MUSIC) (FUNKY MUSIC) WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. HERE'S WHAT'S MAKING NEWS THIS MORNING ` THE CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION CLAIMS HAWKE'S BAY REGIONAL PRISON WAS UNDERSTAFFED WHEN TWO VIOLENT ATTACKS OCCURRED OVER THE WEEKEND. GUNMEN IN INDIAN-CONTROLLED KASHMIR HAVE KILLED AT LEAST 20 TOURISTS AT A RESORT IN THE HIMALAYAS. AND FORMER AUSTRALIA TEST CRICKETER MICHAEL SLATER HAS BEEN GIVEN A FOUR-YEAR PRISON SENTENCE AFTER PLEADING GUILTY TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CHARGES. FOR YEARS, QUICKSAND HAS BEEN ONE OF HOLLYWOOD'S FAVOURITE PLOT DEVICES. WHILE THEY WOULD MAKE YOU THINK THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF CASES OF MAKE DROWNING IN QUICKSAND, IT'S ACTUALLY NEAR-IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. BUT PEOPLE DO OCCASIONALLY FIND THEMSELVES IN SOME STICKY SITUATIONS. HERE'S THE ABC'S DANNY NEW. THE NEARLY 40 YEARS AFTER THE PRINCESS BRIDE, WE FINALLY HAVE ANOTHER LOVE STORY INVOLVING QUICKSAND. HE FELL HARD FOR ME. THIS COUPLE ON A TRIP TO THE SHORES OF LAKE MICHIGAN, LOOKING FOR SPECIAL ROCKS KNOWN TO POPULATE THE AREA. HALF OF HIS BODY WAS SUBMERGED IN THE QUICKSAND NEARBY. WHEN I WANT HIM AND HE DIDN'T LISTEN, I KNEW I WAS IN LOVE WITH A GUY. PEOPLE ASKED, WHY AREN'T YOU DATING YET? BUT MITCH SAID HE DIDN'T THINK SHE LIKED HIM LIKE THAT SO CUT TO... THERE IS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT UNLESS IT'S A... WITHIN THREE SECONDS, MITCH SAYS HE HAS WHAT WAS TOUCHING WHAT FELT LIKE CEMENT, AND HE THOUGHT HE COULD TAKE CARE OF IT ON HIS OWN IN A MANLY WAY. I TRY TO IMPRESS THE GIRL AND IT DIDN'T WORK OUT. WE LITERALLY CALL IT OTHER BOYFRIEND AND GIRLFRIEND FOR THE FIRST TIME AT THE SAME TIME TO SEPARATE 911 OPERATORS. FIRE RESCUE ARRIVED AND GOT HIM OUT. NOW MITCH AND BREE ARE DONE WASTING TIME ` LISTEN TO THIS, THEY ARE NOW GETTING THEIR WEDDING PLANS SOLIDIFIED, BECAUSE AFTER THIS, SOMETHING SHOULD BE, RIGHT? SCHOOL ROLLS ARE GROWING FAST ` IN FACT, FASTER THAN MANY FORECASTS AND THAT CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING ` MORE TEACHERS ARE NEEDED. BUT FEWER STUDENTS ARE CHOOSING TO STUDY EDUCATION. MINISTRY OF EDUCATION DATA SHOWS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE STUDYING EDUCATION COURSES DROPPED FROM 34,000 IN 2015 TO 27,000 IN 2024. ON THE COUCH NOW. MORENA, KI A KORUA. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE STUDYING AT LEAST ONE EDUCATION COURSE HAS SIGNIFICANTLY DROPPED, DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT WE HAVE FEWER TEACHERS? ABSOLUTELY. PEOPLE ARE NOT MAKING IT THEIR CAREER, WHICH IS A SHAME BECAUSE IT IS A GREAT CAREER. WHY DO YOU THINK FEWER PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO STUDY EDUCATION? PAY, WHICH COMES UP ALL THE TIME. THE WAY THE COMMUNITY TALKS ABOUT TEACHERS, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF RESPECT IN THE COMMUNITY OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A STABLE WORKFORCE, WHICH IS FULLY DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE IT IS FANTASTIC. DOES IT SEEM STABLE OR LUCRATIVE? THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT IS ABSOLUTELY A DECISION. SUBJECT SPECIALIST WITH SPECIALIST DEGREES, FOR EXAMPLE. WE HAVE TO MAKE TEACHING ATTRACTIVE, IN THAT ASPECT. WHAT MADE TEACHING ATTRACTIVE TO YOU? I GREW UP IN A HOUSEHOLD OF TEACHERS, SO THAT DEFINITELY HELPS, BUT ALSO TO ME AS A MEDIA STUDIES LOVER, I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO SHARE THAT LOVE WITH A LOT OF STUDENTS AND THE IDEA THAT I WAS GOING TO HAVE` BEEN BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH STUDENTS, WHAT CONSIDERATIONS DID YOU GIVE TO MONEY ETC? I THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LOT, LIKE I SAID, A UP IN A TEACHING HOUSEHOLD. I'M LUCKY I HAVE A MASTERS DEGREES THAT PUT ME UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON THE PAY SCALE, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I THINK ABOUT WITH MY PEERS. PEOPLE WITH MY DEGREE MIGHT BE IN MARKETING, SOCIAL MEDIA, JOURNALISM. WHOMP, WHOMP. THOSE ROLES ARE DEFINITELY MORE LUCRATIVE AND SEEN AS MORE FLASHY THAN A TEACHER, BUT TEACHING TO ME IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY HEARTFELT AND IMPORTANCE BECAUSE WE ARE CREATING THE NEXT GENERATION. LIKE IT HAS PURPOSE, RIGHT? I WONDER IF PURPOSE IS WHAT WAS DRIVING YOU TO STUDY EDUCATION ` HOW DO YOU BRING PURPOSE BACK? ABSOLUTELY, MOST TEACHERS BECAME TEACHERS BECAUSE OF ONE TEACHER. THAT ARE BASICALLY PULL AS MANY LEVELS AS WE CAN, SO HIT THOSE IMPORTANT ROLES. ALL THESE THINGS NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PACKAGE OF BEING A TEACHER. THE DROP-OFF IS SIGNIFICANT OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, AND I WONDER IF LOUISE WAS STUDYING, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IS YET TO FIND PURPOSE. I WONDER HOW IT HAS A GREATER SUMMIT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. *DEGRADED HOW THE MEDIA TALKS ABOUT TEACHERS, OTHER COMMUNITY TALKS LIKE TEACHERS. AND SCHOOLS AND TEACHERS HAVE BEEN ASKED TO FIX A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN OUR SOCIETY, WE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM TEACHING HISTORY INTO MAKING YOUNG PEOPLE THE BEST THEY CAN BE. HOW OTHER NUMBERS IN COURSES IMPACTING THE CLASSROOMS? HUGELY. EITHER HISTORY TEACHER AND I END UP TEACHING PHYSICS, TRUST ME, NO ONE WANTS THAT. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, I'VE TAUGHT OUTSIDE OF MY CURRICULUM AREA BEFORE AND IT WAS A LOT OF WORK TO GET UP SKILL INTO THAT AREA. LOUISE, FOR ANYONE WHO IS WATCHING US RIGHT NOW WHO IS CONSIDERING STUDYING EDUCATION AND IS BECOMING A TEACHER, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PITCH TO THEM? EVERY DAY IS A DIFFERENT DAY, PARTICULARLY IN HIGH SCHOOL. YOU GET TO EDUCATE AND DISCUSS AND BUILD RELATIONSHIP WITH TEENAGERS, WHICH IS A GREAT WAY OF SEEING HOW THE WORLD WILL DEVELOP AND GET TO EDUCATE ON A SUBJECT YOU LOVE. IF YOU'RE A NERD FOR PE, YOU GET TO GROW THAT LOVE OF SOMETHING WITH THE NEXT GENERATION AND TO ME, THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT THING. TELL US ABOUT THE NEW MENTORING PROGRAM. MENTORING KEEPS PEOPLE IN THE PROFESSION. WE KNOW FROM THE RESEARCH THAT GOOD MENTORING KEEPS PEOPLE IN THE PROFESSION. WE ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT PAID FOR STUDENT TEACHERS, AND WE KNOW THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND WE KNOW IF YOU BOTH TO BE HERE IN THE MORNING DURING THE SCHOOL HOLIDAYS, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN TELL YOUR STUDENTS ABOUT TODAY AND BE LIKE, NO, HONESTLY, THE MEDIA IS GOOD. ARE A MEMBER MAY TEACHERS NAMES TO THAT HAD AN IMPACT ON ME. MR JOHNSON WHO WAS MY PE TEACHER. GOOD MORNING, MIKE. AND THEY ARE STILL MR AND MRS AFTER ALL THESE YEARS? MRS KELLY BECAME A COLLEAGUE OF MINE AND SHE WAS STILL MRS KELLY. FUNNY HOW THESE THINGS WORK OUT. (JONAS BROTHERS 'ONLY HUMAN') GIRL: I'm a Weet-bix kid. BOY: He's one. KID: Me too. MAN: And me. RUGBY PLAYER: I'm a Weet-bix kid, are you? VOICEOVER: Relaxation zones should never be interrupted. Unless, of course, they come bearing bubbles. Relaxation zones are available in all Business Premier seats. AFTER A FOUR-MONTH BREAK, THE CORONER'S INQUEST INTO THE DEATH OF OLYMPIC CYCLIST OLIVIA PODMORE HAS RESUMED IN CHRISTCHURCH. SPORTS EDITOR ABBY WILSON IS COVERING THE PROCEEDINGS AND JOINS US NOW. WHERE ARE THINGS AT in the INQUEST? THIS IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE INQUEST. THING STARTED IN HAMILTON LATE LAST MEMBER. IT WAS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED, HAMILTON IS THE CLOSEST COURT TO WHERE OLIVIA DIED. TOWARDS THE END, HIGH PERFORMANCE SPORT NEW ZEALAND ALWAYS ASKED FOR EXTRA TIME FROM THE CORONER TO PREPARE FOR THEIR CROSS-EXAMINATION OF A WITNESS IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS, THE CORONER GRANTED THAT TIME. THERE WERE PROBLEMS FINDING SOME COURT TIME, GETTING EVERYBODY TOGETHER AGAIN, AND SO HERE WE ARE IN APRIL WITH THE FINAL THREE DAYS. THINGS ARE BEEN MOVED TO CHRISTCHURCH, THIS IS WHERE OLIVIA WAS FROM, IT IS WHERE HER FAMILY ARE BASED, SO IT MAY TROUBLE BIT EASIER, AND PROCEEDINGS YESTERDAY WAS STARTED WITH THE CORONER APOLOGISING TO THE FAMILY FOR THE DELAY AND ANY DISTRESS THAT HAD CAUSED. WE KNOW THAT YESTERDAY THERE WAS ONLY ONE WITNESS. HE WILL CONTINUE TODAY. WHAT HE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT? HERE IS WHAT RECALL AN INDEPENDENT EXPERT WITNESS, SO YOU SOMEBODY THAT THE CORONER BRINGS IN TO HELP HER UNDERSTAND COMPLEX SITUATIONS. HE IS A FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST, SO IN THIS CASE, HE CAN OFFER EXPERT ADVICE OVER OLIVIA'S MENTAL HEALTH IN THE LEAD UP TO HER DEATH. HE DOESN'T JUST TAKE TO THE STAND AND GIVE INFORMATION; WHAT HE DOES BEFORE THAT IS HE READS ALL OF THE BRIEFS OF EVIDENCE. I THINK THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PAGES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE COURT. HE READS ALL OF THAT, HE THEN LISTENS TO THE EVIDENCE THAT IS GIVEN IN COURT. I THINK MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN TO THE STAND ` FRIENDS, PEOPLE CLOSE TO HER, PEOPLE WHO WORK THAT'S LIKELY NEW ZEALAND, AND THEN FINALLY HE TAKES TO THE STAND HIMSELF. THAT MEANS HE HAS HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION, THERE IS A LOT TO GO THROUGH. HERE BEEN ASKED ABOUT ALL SORTS OF THINGS, AND THAT IS WHY DOES TAKEN SOME TIME. HE WAS ON THE STAND LAST YEAR, ALL VARIOUSLY COMEDY SHOULD BE ON THERE. I WAS TODAY. WE KNOW THE INQUEST WRAPS UP TODAY. WHAT MORE IS TO COME? IT IS DOWN FOR THREE DAYS MAXIMUM, IT MIGHT FINISH TODAY, BUT THAT DEPENDS IF HE WILL FINISHES EVIDENCE. THERE MAY BE ONE OF THE WINNERS, THEN IT IS CLOSING STATEMENTS. IN A NORMAL COURT, YOU GET THE LAWYERS MAKING THEIR CLOSING REMARKS, BUT HERE, YOU HAVE ALSO GOT LAWYERS REPRESENTING THE FAMILY, FAMILY AND BROTHER HAVE A FAMILY WEAPON TO THEM, AND THAT HER MOTHER AND STEPFATHER, THEY ARE RESENTING THEMSELVES, SO SOME OF THOSE CLOSING STATEMENTS YOU WOULD IMAGINE WILL BE PRETTY EMOTIONAL. IT IS THE LAST TIME THEY WILL BE TO OFFICIALLY SPEAK ABOUT OLIVIA. IT'S A LONG JOURNEY TO THIS POINT. CAN YOU REMIND US OF THE TIMELINE? OLIVIA DIED IN AUGUST 2021, SO THAT IS FOUR YEARS AGO. WHAT IS BEING EXAMINED IN THIS HEARING IS THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THAT. WE ARE LOOKING BACK TO 2016 IN THE LEAD UP TO THE REAL OLYMPICS. THERE WAS A TRAINING CAMP IN BORDEAUX. THERE WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE ATHLETE RELATIONSHIP IN THE MEDIA. THERE WAS A REPORT RELEASED IN 2018 BY A KC. THE TOKYO OLYMPIC WERE DELAYED. OLIVIA PODMORE WAS NOT SELECTED. THE WAS ANOTHER INVESTIGATION IN 2021, MAKING A NUMBER OF RECOGNITION FOR CYCLING NEW ZEALAND, AND NOW HERE WE ARE IN 2025. THING STARTED NEARLY 9 YEARS AGO ON THIS JOURNEY FOR OLIVIA PODMORE. I GUESS THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF ANSWERS TO BE ANSWERED BY THE CORONER. YOU HAVE TO FEEL FOR HER LOVED ONES DURING THIS TIME AS WELL. NO DOUBT ABBIE WILL HAVE THE LATEST ON WHAT IS HAPPENED TODAY IN TODAY'S HEARING ON ONE NEWS TONIGHT. HEAVY. THAT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME. STILL TO COME ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING ` AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PREPARES TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF SELECTING THE NEXT POPE, WE HEAR FROM A NEW ZEALAND ARCHBISHOP WHO WORKED IN THE VATICAN ALONGSIDE POPE FRANCIS. ALSO AHEAD ` REMEMBER THE TINY ISLAND ONLY INHABITED BY PENGUINS THAT DONALD TRUMP SLAPPED A TARIFF ON? WELL, THE PENGUINS HAVE LAUNCHED A TRADE WAR. WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO EXPORT. PLUS ` REMEMBER THESE? WE MEET THE MAN WITH AROUND 1500 TROLLS. WE ASK HIM WHY? PROBABLY A GOOD PLACE TO START, THAT QUESTION. IT'S 8 O'CLOCK. HERE'S JACK WITH THE NEWS. THANKS, JENNY MAY. 1 NEWS UNDERSTANDS PRIME MINISTER CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL 'VERY LIKELY' ATTEND THE POPE'S FUNERAL THIS SATURDAY AT 8pm NZ TIME. POPE FRANCIS IS CURRENTLY IN AN OPEN CASKET AT THE CHAPEL OF CASA SANTA MARTA, THE VATICAN RESIDENCE WHERE HE LIVED DURING HIS 12-YEAR PAPACY. TOMORROW HE WILL BE MOVED TO ST PETER'S BASILICA, WHERE HE WILL BE MOURNED PUBLICLY. HIS FUNERAL WILL TAKE PLACE THERE IN THE OUTDOORS BEFORE HIS BURIAL AT ST MARY MAJOR. LUXON IS ALREADY OVER THAT SIDE OF THE WORLD, NOW ON HIS WAY FROM LONDON TO GALLIPOLI FOR ANZAC COMMEMORATIONS. IT IS FAR WE MAKE DECISIONS SHORTLY WE WILL MAKE DECISIONS SHORTLY. HE'S JUST MET WITH UK PRIME MINISTER SIR KEIR STARMER WHERE THEY DISCUSSED THE COALITION OF THE WILLING. A GROUP OF LEADERS FORMED TO SUPPORT UKRAINE. BUT LUXON WOULDN'T CONFIRM WHETHER NEW ZEALAND IS OFFICIALLY A PART OF IT. IT'S ALL LOCKED UP IN THIS MORNING'S PREMIER CLASH BETWEEN MANCHESTER CITY AND ASTON VILLA, WITH BOTH TEAMS VYING FOR A TOP FIVE FINISH AND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE QUALIFICATION. BERNARDO SILVA PUT CITY AHEAD WITH AN EARLY GOAL, BUT THE HOME SIDE GAVE AWAY A PENALTY LESS THAN 10 MINUTES LATER. RASHFORD LEVELS FOR ASTON VILLA. THE SCORE REMAINS 1-1 AT HALF-TIME. CITY ARE FIFTH ON THE TABLE, WITH VILLA JUST ONE POINT BEHIND THEM AT SEVENTH. AND FINALLY, TRIBUTES ARE CONTINUING TO FLOW FOR KNOWN FOOTBALL FAN POPE FRANCIS, WITH MEMBERS OF HIS HOMETOWN FOOTBALL CLUB IN ARGENTINA GATHERING TO HONOUR HIM. FRANCIS REMAINED A MEMBER OF BUENOS AIRES CLUB SAN LORENZO FOR THE ENTIRETY OF HIS 12-YEAR PAPACY. THE CLUB CLAIMS HIS MEMBERSHIP NUMBER WAS 88235, COINCIDING WITH HIS DEATH AT THE AGE OF 88 AND HIS TIME OF DEATH AT 2.35 LOCAL TIME. PLAYERS WILL WEAR A SPECIAL COMMEMORATIVE JERSEY FOR THEIR MATCH THIS WEEKEND IN THE POPE'S HONOUR THE SAME DAY AS HIS FUNERAL. AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER THIS MORNING. PARTLY CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF THE NORTH ISLAND HERE, WITH A FEW SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU. THIS WILL GET HEAVIER IN THE EVENING FOR THOSE IN THE FAR NORTH. A HIGH OF 21 IN KAITAIA. 14 IN TE WHANGANUI-A-TARA, THE CAPITAL. 19 IN NEW PLYMOUTH. KI TE WAIPOUNAMU, TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` SIMILAR STORY HERE. CLOUDY PERIODS WITH SOME ISOLATED SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU, CLEARING TO FINE EARLY ON FOR THOSE ALONG THE WEST COAST. 13 THE HIGH FOR THOSE IN OTAUTAHI CHRISTCHURCH. 12 IN OTEPOTI DUNEDIN. AS WE JUST HEARD IN NEWS, PREPARATIONS ARE UNDERWAY FOR POPE FRANCIS' FUNERAL THIS WEEKEND. AFTER THAT, THE SECRETIVE PROCESS FOR SELECTING HIS SUCCESSOR WILL BEGIN. THE WORLD'S ATTENTION IS VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON THE VATICAN AND THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE HEADQUARTERS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. REPORTER YVONNE TAHANA IS WITH A LOCAL ARCHBISHOP WHO WORKED AT THE VATICAN AND CLOSELY WITH THE POPE. MORENA, YVONNE. MORENA. I'M HERE WITH ANGLICAN ARCHBISHOP. YOU WERE AT THE VATICAN AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ARCHBISHOP CANTERBURY FOR FOUR YEARS. YOU CAME ALONG AT THE POINT WHEN THE POPE WAS ELECTED. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT BEING IN ROME AT THAT TIME? IT IS THE ONLY CITY IN THE WORLD WHERE YOU KNOW A CONCLAVE IS GOING ON TO CHOOSE A PUB, AND YOU ARE LISTENING FOR THE BELLS TO SUDDENLY START RINGING ALL OVER THE CITY, WHICH TELLS YOU THAT THE WHITE SMOKERS COME THROUGH THE CHIMNEY, THEY HAVE ELECTED A PUB, AND THEN EVERYBODY GETS AS FAR AS THEY CAN TO THE VATICAN SQUARE, BUT THEY CAN'T GET THEIR CARS TOO CLOSE. THE GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND THEY WALK AND THEY FILL THE SQUARE WITH ABOUT 20 MINUTES, SO AN EXTRAORDINARY EXPERIENCE. I IMAGINE THAT EXPERIENCE MUST BE ELECTRIC, BECAUSE NO BODY KNOWS WHO IT IS, BECAUSE OF THE SECRECY OF THAT. NEW METROPOLE FRANCIS NUMBER OF TIMES, AND WE HAVE THESE JOYFUL PICTURES OF YOU AND HIM HUGGING. HIS SMILE AS ELECTRIC. IT IS QUITE A BEAUTIFUL THING. TELL ME ABOUT THOSE EXPERIENCES. IS LIKE SITTING DOWN WITH YOUR FAVOURITE UNCLE. IF ALL BLACKS, YOU FELT YOU COULD BE YOUR SELF. SIMPLE, LOVING. IS A JESUIT, SO HE IS TRAINED TO COUNSEL, FRIEND, HE DOESN'T MAKE YOU FEEL INTIMIDATED, HE SHARED WHAT WAS ON TOP FOR YOU. THE MAORI KING WENT TO SEE HIM. THERE WAS FOR 20 MINUTE, THE POPE CAME IN FOR 40. THEY SPOKE HEART TO HEART. YOU SAID HE HAD BEAUTIFUL SENSE OF HUMOUR. WHO MADE THE SIMPLE SIDE OF THINGS ENJOYABLE. HOW TO DRINK A CUP OF CAPPUCCINO, WORKING WITH THE SWISS GUARD, AND OFFERING THEM SOME RIDGES. WORKING WITH THE SWISS GUARD, AND OFFERING THEM SANDWICHES. ON OCCASION HE DID OFFER A SWISS GUARD A SANDWICH FROM HIS OWN LUNCH, AND SAW THE FUNNY SIDE OF IT. YOUR WIFE MET WITH HIM AS WELL. SHE STAYED IN HAMILTON WHEN YOU WERE IN ROME, AND THEY HAD A BEAUTIFUL EXCHANGE. CAN YOU EXCHANGE WHAT HAPPENED THERE? WE HAVE PRIVATE AUDIENCE WITH THE POPE AND I WAS DUE TO LEAVE ROOM. THAT FINAL TIME IN ROME WITH THE POPE ALONE, IT WAS QUITE EMOTIONAL. REGARD AS OUR FRIENDS WHO WERE LEAVING. HE THANKED HER FOR COMMUTING, AND HE SAID THAT HE WOULD MISS WAS, HE WOULD MISS THE ROLE OF THE ANGLICAN REPRESENTATIVE AS I HAD CARRIED IT OUT, AND WE WERE ALL MOIST EYED AT THE TIME. YOU TALKED ABOUT HIS MORAL AUTHORITY, ABOUT THE TYPE OF WORLD LEADER HE WAS. HE WASN'T AFRAID TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT HE THOUGHT ABOUT REFUGEES, ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT ROLE, THE SPACE THAT HE MADE FOR HIMSELF? HE DOESN'T HAVE A POLITICAL PARTY VESTED INTEREST, AND HE IS ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY OUT OF THE CHRISTIAN ETHIC, THE JUDEO CHRISTIAN ETHIC VALUE SYSTEM. HI, GRANDER VALUES, SO IN THE TERMS OF REFUGEES, CIVIL WAR, RACE RELATIONS, SLAVERY, AND ALL THOSE AREAS, HE WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER, AND I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. HE IS A SOFT POWER. IT HAS NO NAVY, NO AIR FORCE, HE SPEAKS OUT TOO HARD, AND WE NEED THAT IN THE WELL, BECAUSE IN THE POLITICS OF THE WORLD, PEOPLE ARE THINKING OF ELECTIONS, BUT HE HAS A FREEDOM TO SPEAK TO CORE ETHICS AND VALUES. YOU ARE GOING TO ITALY THIS AFTERNOON. YOU'RE GOING UP THERE ON A PILGRIMAGE TO TAKE CHURCH MEMBERS AROUND ITALY. YOU'LL BE THERE FOR THE ACTION OF THE NEW PUB, POTENTIALLY. YOU'RE GOING TO ASSISI. THE POPE WAS NAMED FOR THAT ST. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. ASSISI WAS WHERE POPES, INCLUDING THIS ONE, COLLECTED ALL THE FAITHS OF THE WORLD, PRAYED FOR WORLD PEACE EVERY 10 YEARS, AND I WAS THERE THE LAST TIME THEY DID THAT. I MET THE POPE, WE EMBRACED, I WILL GO TO ASSISI. I WILL SIT WHERE FRANCIS USED TO PRAY. I WILL THINK OF THE FRIENDSHIP, THAT MEANT THE WORLD TO . ME DO YOU THINK HE HAD A CERTAIN TYPE OF CHARISMA? I'M NOT SURE THAT POPE BENEDICT HAD THE SAME. DO THINK YOU HAD A CERTAIN TYPE OF CHARISMA AROUND HIS LEADERSHIP? HE WAS AN EXTROVERT, BROUGHT IN A LARGE ITALIAN SPEAKING FAMILY IN ARGENTINA, LOTS OF FAMILY, LOTS OF NIECES AND NEPHEWS AND COUSINS, AND AUNTIES AND UNCLES. THAT MADE AND GREGARIOUS, THAT MADE FUN LOVING WITH CROWDS AND PEOPLE, AND I THINK THAT HAS AN ATTRACTION. I THINK AT THE HEART OF IT IT WAS HIS FACE, SIMPLE, UNADORNED, LOVE, QUEST FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE. HE WALKED HIS TALK. THAT IS SO IMPORTANT. OR YOU BE WATCHING WITH INTEREST LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD ABOUT WHO IS NEXT? VERY MUCH SO. I THINK WE SHOULD PRAY FOR THE CARDINALS MOVING FROM NEW ZEALAND, AND ALL THE CARDINALS, THAT THEY SHOULD BE GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT THEY WILL MAKE A WISE AND MEMORABLE CHOICE TO BE WORTHY OF SUCCEEDING THIS POPE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS MORNING. INTERESTING AS CATHOLICS MORNING, IT IS ALSO AN EYE TO THE FUTURE AS WELL, SUCH AN INTERESTING TIME AT THE MOMENT. IT'S AN IRONY, A PARADOX, IT IS POIGNANT, THE PAPERS SAY HE MUST GO ON, IT IS THE ROLE OF PETER, THE ROCK, THE BASIS OF THE EARLY CHURCH. I THINK THAT FOCUS FOR UNITY, PROVIDING A LOT, YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THE NEXT STEP, THAT IS WHAT FRANCIS WOULD HAVE WANTED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO BE GOING TO ITALY AT THE MOMENT? RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BE AMAZING. ALWAYS, ANY TIME. YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT A TIME ON IT. ANY TIME WOULD BE GOOD. AMAZING INSIGHTS FROM THE ARCHBISHOP. ME I TONU MAI ` THEY WERE THE HIT TOY WITH LARGER-THAN-LIFE HAIR. ME U TONU MAI ` THEY WERE THE HIT TOY WITH LARGER-THAN-LIFE HAIR. WE MEET THE MAN WITH WHAT COULD BE THE BIGGEST TROLL DOLL COLLECTION IN THE COUNTRY. CAN'T WAIT. I RECKON IT PROBABLY IS. # BABY JUST LET IT BE. HERE'S WHAT'S MAKING NEWS THIS MORNING ` THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE DESCENDED ON ROME AHEAD OF THE POPE'S FUNERAL WHICH HAS BEEN CONFIRMED FOR THIS SATURDAY EVENING NEW ZEALAND TIME. WHICH HAS BEEN CONFIRMED FOR THIS SATURDAY EVENING NEW ZEALAND TIME. BACK HERE, AN OPEN FIRE SEASON STARTS THIS MORNING BACK HERE, AN OPEN FIRE SEASON STARTS THIS MORNING FOR TAMAKI MAKAURAU, MEANING PEOPLE CAN LIGHT OUTDOOR FIRES WITHOUT AN AUTHORISED PERMIT. AND IN SPORT, MANCHESTER CITY AND ASTON VILLA ARE BATTLING IT OUT FOR A TOP FIVE PREMIER LEAGUE FINISH AND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE QUALIFICATION. FOR OUR REGULAR TVNZ ARCHIVE SEGMENT TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT FITNESS TRENDS OF DAYS PAST. IN THE '70s, THERE WAS ONE SPORT THAT WAS SEEN AS A BIT OF A FAD, IN THE '70s, THERE WAS ONE SPORT THAT WAS SEEN AS A BIT OF A FAD, A PASSING CRAZE. WE'VE GOT A SNIPPET NOW OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY A 20-MINUTE STORY FOR CURRENT AFFAIRS SHOW 'EYEWITNESS'. FOR CURRENT AFFAIRS SHOW 'EYEWITNESS', WEIGHING UP THE PROS AND CONS OF JOGGING. POUNDING THE PAVEMENT FOR SEVERAL MILES, TWO OR EVEN THREE TIMES A WEEK, IS GENERALLY REGARDED AS A JOKE TO THE UNINITIATED AND UNMOTIVATED. GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE RUNNING CRAZE WHEN IN CHRISTCHURCH. AND MY FIRST RUN WAS THE CITY TO SURF, THEN IN CHRISTCHURCH. BUT NOW I'M TRAINING SERIOUSLY FOR THE ROTORUA MARATHON. THIS IS ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT OF US THAT JOG TOGETHER PRETTY REGULARLY. HOW OFTEN DO YOU JOG? ABOUT TWO NIGHTS A WEEK AT THE MOMENT, TOGETHER, AND WE RUN INDIVIDUALLY OTHER NIGHTS. HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU JOG? I TRY AND RUN EVERY LUNCH HOUR. DO YOU EVER HAVE ANY FEELINGS OF ADDICTION TO THE SPORT, AS IT WERE? OH, PERHAPS I'M NOT THAT SERIOUS YET. AUCKLAND'S RECENT ROUND THE BAYS RUN DREW PEOPLE FROM OVERSEAS AND AROUND THE COUNTRY. 32,000 PEOPLE, THE EQUIVALENT OF GISBORNE'S POPULATION, GATHERED TO RUN FROM ONE SPOT TO ANOTHER, A DISTANCE OF JUST OVER 11km. THEY EVEN HAD THE PRIME MINISTER TO SEND THEM ON THEIR WAY. ARMCHAIR CRITICS MIGHT MUMBLE ABOUT COLLECTIVE MADNESS OR MASS HYSTERIA, BUT THE FACT REMAINS, EVERYONE'S DOING IT AND FROM ALL ACCOUNTS, ENJOYING IT. JOGGING, THE ENTHUSIASTS TELL US, WORKS WONDERS FOR BODY AND SOUL. IT NOT ONLY KEEPS YOUR BODY FIT BY GETTING RID OF FLAB, IT STRENGTHENS MUSCLES, CORONARY ARTERIES AND LUNGS. BUT IS JOGGING REALLY WHAT IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE? A RECENTLY PUBLISHED NEW ZEALAND MEDICAL REPORT CLAIMS THAT JOGGING IS A DANGEROUS, POINTLESS PASTIME. OTHER MEDICAL OPINIONS CONCLUDE THAT JOGGING LEADS TO WIDE-RANGING PHYSICAL COMPLICATIONS. PEOPLE WHO START TO JOG WHEN THEY'RE NOT PROPERLY FIT, WHEN THEY'VE GOT PRE-EXISTING MEDICAL COMPLAINTS, AND ALSO PEOPLE WHO CARRY IT TO EXTREME ` I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAIN SORT OF AREAS. I'D SAY IT COULD BE BAD. PEOPLE WHO JOG SHOULD JOG APPROPRIATELY. THAT IS, THEY SHOULD START OFF SLOWLY AND GRADUALLY BUILD UP, BECAUSE IF THEY GO STRAIGHT INTO IT, THEY'LL TWIST THEIR ANKLES AND THEY'LL END UP WITH SPRAINED MUSCLES AND INFLAMED TENDONS. GONE ARE THE DAYS OF THE WHITE SAND SHOE ` FOR RUNNING ANYWAY. UNLIKE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, JOGGERS TODAY CAN PICK AND CHOOSE THEIR FOOTWEAR FROM A VARIETY OF IMPORTED AND LOCALLY-MADE STYLES. THEIR FOOTWEAR FROM A VARIETY OF IMPORTED AND LOCALLY MADE STYLES. THE SPECIALLY DESIGNED SHOES COST ANYTHING FROM $20 TO $80, BUT THE DEMAND IS NEVER ENDING. LYDIARD SHOE FACTORY IN AUCKLAND STARTED PRODUCING RUNNING SHOES TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. THEY NOW MANUFACTURE ABOUT 500 PAIRS A WEEK IN FOUR STYLES. I TAKE IT THAT A LOT OF THIS IS DUE TO THE JOGGING FAD. THAT IS CORRECT. YES, JOGGING HAS TAKEN ON VERY RAPIDLY AND IT'S GAINING, UH, MORE AND MORE FOLLOWERS. AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO JOG, A PLETHORA OF MAGAZINES AND BOOKS WILL CERTAINLY TELL YOU. ONE SUCH BOOK, NOW A BESTSELLER, HAS MADE A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY FOR ITS AMERICAN AUTHOR, JAMES FIXX. BUT HE PRACTISES WHAT HE PREACHES AND DIDN'T MISS HIS DAILY RUN WHILE IN NEW ZEALAND RECENTLY. DOES HE THINK JOGGERS ARE SPECIAL PEOPLE? I WOULD EMPHATICALLY NOT SAY THAT RUNNERS ARE BETTER PEOPLE. RUNNERS OFTEN THINK THEY'RE BETTER PEOPLE. THEY BEGIN TO IMAGINE THAT THE PHYSICAL BENEFITS AND THE MENTAL BENEFITS THEY FEEL SOMEHOW ARE MORAL BENEFITS TOO, AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THERE ANYTHING OF THE SORT. RUNNERS ARE NO BETTER AND NO WORSE THAN OTHER PEOPLE. THEY'RE JUST PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO RUN. RESEARCH SUGGESTS THAT RUNNING TRIGGERS OFF THE RELEASE OF CERTAIN MOLECULES CALLED ENDORPHINS. THESE PRODUCE A SUBSTANCE SIMILAR TO MORPHINE. IN OTHER WORDS, RUNNERS CAN REACH A HIGH, LIKE THE EUPHORIA FELT BY DRUG ADDICTS, BUT CROSSING THE FINISHING LINE IN A FUN MARATHON IS ONLY PART OF THE SPORT. THERE'S THE SOCIAL SIDE, WHICH IS ATTACKED WITH GUSTO. DRINKING BEER AFTER WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HEALTHY RUN MAY SEEM IRONICAL, BUT MANY JOGGING CLUBS ARE FOUNDED ON THIS. AND WE'RE JUST A SOCIAL CLUB. WE DO ABOUT A FOUR OR FIVE MILE RUN ON A TRAIL AND AFTERWARDS, WE'LL HAVE A BEER. JOGGING, IT SEEMS, IS A PASTIME THAT'S NOT GOING TO RUN AWAY. JOGGING GIVES YOU THESE CHANGING EXPERIENCES. IT GIVES YOU THE EXERCISE, IT GIVES THE CHANCE TO DO THIS WITH YOUR FRIENDS. I THINK IN THAT WAY, IT ENHANCES LIFE. (SMOOTH MUSIC) GOLD. FASHION, THE HAIR, THE ENDo-PHINES. THAT WOULD BE THE ENDORPHINS. SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE, THOUGH. RUNNERS THINKING THEY ARE BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE. THEY WERE THE TOYS WITH THE SMALL BODIES, LARGE HEADS, AND BRIGHT NEON-COLOURED HAIR TEASED TO THE ROOF. OFTEN SEEN AS GOOD-LUCK CHARMS, TROLL DOLLS WERE ALL THE RAGE AFTER THEY FIRST HIT TOY SHELVES IN THE '60s. BUT IN 2025, ONE KIWI HAS NEVER STOPPED LOVING THEM. DAMIAN SUTTON HAS BEEN COLLECTING TROLL DOLLS FOR OVER 30 YEARS, NOW OWNING 1500 OF THE FURRY UP-COMBED-HAIR BEINGS. HE JOINS US NOW FROM KATIKATI. DAMIEN IS IN THE CENTRE OFFERING, IN CASE ANYONE WAS CONCERNED. THANKS, DAMIEN, WHAT IS IT ABOUT TROLL DOLLS THAT YOU LOVE? FOR ME, IT WAS THE TEASED HAIR AND THE SMILES. CAN'T GET PAST THOSE SMILES AS YOU ARE WALKING PAST THE TOY SHELVES. HOW DID YOU GET INTO IT? I WAS EIGHT AND AT A CRAFT MARKET WITH MY AUNTIE. SHE BOUGHT ME ONE THAT WENT ON TOP OF THE PENCIL WHEN I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD, AND THAT IS WHAT STARTED IT OFF FOR . ME AS THE YEARS WENT ON, I JUST BOUGHT MORE AND MORE, AND A LOT OF THEM WERE IN OP SHOPS. THE COLLECTION GREW AND GREW. YOU RECKON THAT YOU HAVE GOT MORE THAN 1500. AND THEY ALL KIND OF SIMILAR STYLES, OR DO YOU HAVE THE PENCIL ONE IS STILL? VERY CLASSIC. I STILL HAVE THE PENCIL ONCE. I STILL HAVE THE PENCIL ONES. TROLL DOLLS HAD A RESURGENCE IN THE 19 CITIES AND THEN IN 1991, AND NOW DREAMWORKS HAS BOUGHT THE RIGHTS TO ALL TROLLS, UNDER PATROLS MOVIES STARTED A NEW RESURGENCE IN THE EARLY 2000S. IT IS FUNNY HOW THESE THINGS COME IN AND OUT OF FASHION, IT IS LIKE BELL BOTTOM JEANS. THREE DIFFERENT RESURGENCES. THERE'S ONE THING I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT UNTIL YOU SENT US SOME INFORMATION, BUT NEW ZEALAND USED TO CONSTRUCT TROLL DOLLS, IS THAT RIGHT? WE USED TO HAVE A COMPANY IN TAURANGA, AND THAT WAS A DANISH COMPANY THAT MOVED TO NEW ZEALAND IN 1985 AND GOT THE RIGHTS FROM DENMARK IN 1963, AND THEY MADE TROLLS IN TAURANGA UNITL 1981. CAN YOU TELL WHEN ONE HAS BEEN MADE IN NEW ZEALAND? IF YOU LOOK AT THE SHELF BEHIND ME, MOST OF THOSE BRIGHT COLOURS ARE MADE IN NEW ZEALAND. THE TOP ROW HAS MORE OF THE COMMON TYPE TROLLS THAT THEY HAVE A NEW ZEALAND. THEY HAVE AN AUSTRALIAN STAMP ON THE FOOT. THAT IS HOW YOU CAN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN. WE HAD THOSE BRIGHT COLOURS THAT YOU WOULD NEVER SEE. ARE THERE OTHER TROLL COLLECTORS, AND DO SOME TROLLS DEMAND HIGHER PRICES THAN OTHERS? SOME OF THE LIMITED RUNS OF PATROL FROM DENMARK ARE VERY RARE. SOME OF THE LIMITED RUNS OF TROLLS FROM DENMARK ARE VERY RARE. ONE COST $5000 THAT IS ALL OVER THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, THERE IS ONE BEHIND ME THAT IS AROUND THE $3000 MARK, THERE WAS ONLY 500 THOSE MADE WORLDWIDE. THE MOST EXPENSIVE TROLL WAS A RARE MONKEY, AND THAT WENT FOR OVER NZ$10,000. HOW MANY TROLL COLLECTORS ARE THAT THERE? THERE IS QUITE A LOT AROUND THE WORLD. THERE IS A LARGE FOLLOWING IN DENMARK, WHERE IT ALL STARTED. NEW ZEALAND HAS QUITE A LARGE FOLLOWING AS WELL, VERY BIG IN AMERICA. THE INTERNET IS PROPERLY CHANGED AGAIN, I IMAGINE, BUT WHERE ELSE DO YOU PICK UP TROLLS THESE DAYS? EBAY IS USUALLY A GOOD SOURCE OF PURCHASING. THEIR IS ALSO A WEBSITE IN SWEDEN THAT HAS A LOT OF THE RARE DANISH TROLLS. EBAY IS USUALLY QUITE EXPENSIVE. OTHERWISE, THERE ARE FACEBOOK GROUPS THAT SHARE AND TRADE KNOWLEDGE. YOU THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PUT THEM ON PUBLIC DISPLAY ONE DAY? I WOULD LOVE TO PUT THEM ON PUBLIC DISPLAY. GOAL FOR ME IS TO HAVE A FULL SET OF NEW ZEALAND TROLLS IN A NEW ZEALAND. THERE IS NOT A FULL SET NEW ZEALAND CURRENTLY. THAT IS THE DREAM OF MINE. TO BRING A FUL LSET NEW ZEALAND TROLLS HOME. HOME I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE SURPRISED ABOUT THAT TROLL HIS. I REMEMBER THE ONE ON THE PENCIL. WE ALL REMEMBER THAT. TURNING BACK THE HANDS OF TIME. IT IS A CLASSIC. SOME OF US OLDER THAN OTHERS. A MURI I NGA WHAKATAIRANGA ` YOUR 8.30 NEWS, SPORT AND WEATHER. PLUS, WHY DONALD TRUMP'S TARIFFS ON AN ISLAND ONLY INHABITED BY PENGUINS MIGHT ACTUALLY DELIVER SOME CASH. HOKI MAI ANO, WELCOME BACK TO BREAKFAST. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE DESCENDED ON ROME AHEAD OF THE POPE'S FUNERAL WHICH HAS BEEN CONFIRMED FOR THIS SATURDAY EVENING NEW ZEALAND TIME. TOMORROW, HIS BODY WILL BE MOVED TO ST PETER'S BASILICA WHERE THE FUNERAL WILL BE HELD. THE PUBLIC CAN MOURN HIM THERE IN THE COMING DAYS AS HE LIES IN STATE. POPE FRANCIS IS CURRENTLY IN AN OPEN CASKET AT THE CHAPEL OF HIS VATICAN RESIDENCE, CASA SANTA MARTA, WHERE ITALIAN DIGNITARIES HAVE BEEN PAYING THEIR RESPECTS. GUNMEN IN INDIAN-CONTROLLED KASHMIR HAVE KILLED AT LEAST 26 TOURISTS AT A RESORT IN THE HIMALAYAS. LOCAL POLICE SAY THE VICTIMS WERE MOSTLY DOMESTIC TOURISTS AND DESCRIBED IT AS A TERROR ATTACK. AUTHORITIES ARE CALLING IT THE WORST ATTACK ON CIVILIANS IN RECENT YEARS. THE CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION IS BLAMING SHORT-STAFFING AFTER TWO VIOLENT ATTACKS AT HAWKE'S BAY REGIONAL PRISON OVER THE WEEKEND, INCLUDING A PRISONER HITTING A STAFF MEMBER IN THE FACE WITH A SANDWICH PRESS. THE UNION FOR CORRECTIONS WORKERS SAYS PRISONS ARE FULLER AND WORKERS AREN'T BEING TRAINED QUICKLY ENOUGH, LEADING TO UNDERSTAFFING AND INCREASING FRUSTRATION AMONG PRISONERS. THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS SAYS AT THE TIME, THERE WERE UNPLANNED STAFF ABSENCES, BUT THE PRISON WAS NOT UNDERSTAFFED AND OPERATIONS HAD BEEN ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY. THE ASSOCIATION'S INDUSTRIAL OFFICER DISPUTES THIS. ALSO, WHAT HAPPENS IS IT TAKES LONGER TO DO YOUR DAILY TASKS FOR THE PRISONERS KNOW HOW MANY STAFF ARE THERE AND HOW MANY STAFF SHOULD BE THERE. ALSO, WHAT HAPPENS IS IT TAKES LONGER TO DO YOUR DAILY TASKS FOR THE PRISONERS TO GET THEIR NEEDS MET. THEY GET FRUSTRATED. THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF MEN'S PRISONS NEIL BEALES SAYS... AN OPEN FIRE SEASON STARTS THIS MORNING FOR TAMAKI MAKAURAU, MEANING PEOPLE CAN LIGHT OUTDOOR FIRES WITHOUT AN AUTHORISED PERMIT. IT BEGINS AT 8am FOR AUCKLAND CITY, WAITEMATA AND COUNTIES MANUKAU AFTER A STEADY AMOUNT OF RAIN AND COOLER FORECASTS. THE EXCEPTIONS ARE THE HAURAKI GULF ISLANDS ` THEY WILL MOVE TO A RESTRICTED FIRE SEASON, WITH A PERMIT NEEDED FROM FIRE AND EMERGENCY NEW ZEALAND. FORMER AUSTRALIA TEST CRICKETER MICHAEL SLATER HAS BEEN GIVEN A FOUR-YEAR PRISON SENTENCE AFTER PLEADING GUILTY TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CHARGES. BUT THE 55-YEAR-OLD WILL WALK FREE AS HE HAS SERVED MORE THAN A YEAR IN CUSTODY WITH THE REMAINDER OF HIS SENTENCE SUSPENDED. SLATER PLAYED 74 TESTS FOR AUSTRALIA ACROSS EIGHT YEARS, RETIRING IN 2004 BEFORE BECOMING A COMMENTATOR. AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER THIS MORNING. PARTLY CLOUDY DAY FOR MOST OF THE NORTH ISLAND HERE, WITH A FEW SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU. THIS WILL GET HEAVIER IN THE EVENING FOR THOSE IN THE FAR NORTH. A HIGH OF 21 IN KAITAIA. 14 IN TE WHANGANUI-A-TARA, THE CAPITAL. KI TE WAIPOUNAMU, TO THE SOUTH ISLAND ` SIMILAR STORY HERE. CLOUDY PERIODS WITH SOME ISOLATED SHOWERS FOR MOST OF YOU, CLEARING TO FINE EARLY ON FOR THOSE ALONG THE WEST COAST. 13 THE HIGH FOR THOSE IN OTAUTAHI CHRISTCHURCH. 12 IN OTEPOTI DUNEDIN. WHEN U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ANNOUNCED HIS SWEEPING 10% TARIFFS, HE INCLUDED A COUPLE OF REMOTE ANTARCTIC OUTPOSTS DESPITE NO ONE LIVING THERE. THEY'RE AUSTRALIAN TERRITORIES CALLED THE HEARD AND MCDONALD ISLANDS `TERRITORY INHABITED BY PENGUINS AND SEALS, HOME TO A VOLCANO AND VIRTUALLY UNDISTURBED BY HUMANS. WITH NO EXPORTS, THE ISLANDS COULDN'T REALLY BE TAXED ` UNTIL NOW. ONE TONGUE-IN-CHEEK CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN LAUNCHED WITH THE PENGUINS OF HEARD ISLAND DECIDING THAT DESPITE THE TARIFF, THEY ACTUALLY DO WANT TO GET IN ON THE EXPORT ACTION BY SELLING PEBBLES. AND ONE OF THE BRAINS BEHIND IT, JANELLE MAIS, JOINS US NOW. MORENA. GOOD MORNING, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. WE ARE RAISING MONEY FOR THE PENGUINS AND A FRIEND CAME TO US... SHE CAME TO US WITH AN IDEA FOR A RESPONSE TO THE TARIFFS, AND NOW WE ARE SELLING PEBBLES FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PENGUINS. THIS IS MONEY THAT IS GOING TO A GOOD CAUSE, YOU GUYS AREN'T MAKING A GAZILLION DOLLARS OFF OF THIS? KNOW, ALL THE MONEY IS GOING TO WWF AUSTRALIA, WHO ARE RAISING MONEY TO EXPAND THE MARINE RESERVE TO PROTECT THE ISLAND FROM OVERFISHING AND THINGS LIKE (POP MUSIC) # SHE DRIVES ME CRAZY. HERE'S WHAT'S MAKING NEWS THIS MORNING ` 1 NEWS UNDERSTANDS PRIME MINISTER CHRISTOPHER LUXON WILL 'VERY LIKELY' ATTEND THE POPE'S FUNERAL THIS SATURDAY AT 8pm NZ TIME, AFTER HIS TRIP TO GALLIPOLI FOR ANZAC COMMEMORATIONS. BACK HERE, THE CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION IS BLAMING SHORT-STAFFING AFTER TWO VIOLENT ATTACKS AT HAWKE'S BAY REGIONAL PRISON OVER THE WEEKEND, INCLUDING A PRISONER HITTING A STAFF MEMBER IN THE FACE WITH A SANDWICH PRESS. PLUS ` FORMER AUSTRALIA TEST CRICKETER MICHAEL SLATER WILL WALK FREE DESPITE BEING GIVEN A FOUR-YEAR PRISON SENTENCE FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CHARGES. THE GOVERNMENT HAS OUTLINED THE PREFERRED ROUTE OF THE NEW NORTHLAND EXPRESSWAY, OPTING FOR A NEW ROAD OVER THE BRYNDERWYN HILLS RATHER THAN A BYPASS. THE CURRENT STATE HIGHWAY HAS BEEN PLAGUED BY ONGOING CLOSURES DUE TO SEVERE WEATHER. IN FACT, IT WAS BLOCKED BY A SLIP OVER EASTER FOLLOWING HEAVY RAIN. NZTA HAS REVEALED THE NEW EARMARKED ROUTE WILL GO FROM WARKWORTH EAST OF STATE HIGHWAY 1 AND OVER THE BRYNDERWYNS THEN THROUGH TO WHANGAREI. WHANGAREI MAYOR VINCE COCURULLO JOINS US NOW. MORNING VINCE, GOOD MORNING, LOVELY TO HAVE YOU ON THE PROGRAM. WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE DECISION? THIS IS WONDERFUL FOR NORTHLAND, EVERYONE HERE IS VERY EXCITED TO HEAR THIS. IT IS UP AND WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE A VERY LONG TIME. WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE IMPACT FOR WHANGAREI ` GROWTH, JOB CREATION? IT'S MORE ABOUT GETTING PRODUCE BACK DOWN TO AUCKLAND AS WELL, SO THAT'S WHAT NORTHLAND CAN DO FOR AUCKLAND. THERE HAS BEEN A TRUCKLOAD OF MONEY THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS EXPRESSWAY ALREADY ` THERE ARE STILL ISSUES WITH BRYNDERWYNS. YOU HIGHLIGHTED A MAJOR POINT TO THEIR, AND IS MORE ABOUT THE FACTS THAT IT IS NOT ABOUT FIXING A ROAD. ECONOMY-WISE, THIS WILL BE AMAZING. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS IS GOING TO TAKE, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE AN EASY FIX, SO IN TERMS OF HOW THIS WILL ACTUALLY IMPACT YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT PLAYING OUT? WE ARE ACCEPTING IT TO HAPPEN... THERE IS LEGISLATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE IT FASTER, HOWEVER, THE BRYNDERWYNS WILL NOT LAST 10 YEARS, SO IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SO PERHAPS BY 2030. AGAIN, THERE IS THE HOPE THAT THIS WILL BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS OR SO, BUT THERE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE DISRUPTION FOR THOSE HEADING NORTH AND FOR THOSE IN SOUTH FROM NORTHLAND. HOW DO YOU PREPARE FOR THOSE KINDS OF DISRUPTIONS? THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS AREA OF ROAD IS THAT IT WAS OFF THE STATE HIGHWAY, IT DOES NOT AFFECT THAT. ACTUALLY HELPING OUT THE WHOLE DISTRICT. IF A SLIP DOES HAPPEN, I KNOW THE END IT HERE GUYS HAVE BEEN THERE ON THE WEEKEND, ON EASTER WEEKEND, SORTING OUT THE SLIP THAT HAPPENED ON THOSE LANES. THIS IS WHAT THE TEMPORARY WORKS WAS MEANT TO DO. BEFORE LEANING, WHICH HAS BEEN PROPOSED, AS A SEPARATE ROUTE WHICH ACTUALLY OPENS UP THE WHOLE OF NORTHLAND. WHICH WILL BE ROUTED AND DESIGNED TO DEAL WITH THE SLIPS. BECAUSE OF THE SLIPS, THEY HAPPEN ALTERNATE ROUTES, AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, IT'S RUINED A LOT OF THOSE ROADS. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THAT, SO THIS CAN ONLY BE A GOOD THING. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU SUPPORTED, THIS NEW PROPOSAL? YOU HIT IT AGAIN. IN NORTHLAND, WE SAID, WE DON'T CARE WHAT THE ROTORS, WE NEED THE FOUR-LANING. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED THE BEST ROUTE AND WE NEED IT UP AND RUNNING AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, SO THAT IS THE CRITERIA WE SENT, JUST TO RECAP, YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THIS PROPOSAL? VERY MUCH SO! (CHUCKLES) WE DO NEED TO GET IT DONE AS OF YESTERDAY, RIGHT? TELL US WHAT YOU REALLY THINK, VINCE (!) THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY PLEASED ABOUT THAT NEWS. I THINK IT'LL TAKE TIME... YES, AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ROADS AROUND AUCKLAND AND OTHER PREVIOUS STATE HIGHWAYS ARE BECOMING THE SCENIC ROUTE, AND IT WILL BE PRESUMABLY THE CASE FOR THE NEXT DECADE OR TWO. SOME NEWS JUST IN ` CONFIRMATION THE PRIME MINISTER WILL REPRESENT NEW ZEALAND AT THE FUNERAL FOR POPE FRANCIS, TRAVELLING TO ROME AFTER ATTENDING ANZAC DAY SERVICES IN GALLIPOLI THE DAY BEFORE. IN A STATEMENT, CHRISTOPHER LUXON SAYS HE 'WILL JOIN THOSE 'AT ST PETER'S BASILICA MOURNING THE LOSS OF POPE FRANCIS, 'WHILE CELEBRATING HIS SERVICE TO THE MORE THAN 1 BILLION CATHOLICS 'ACROSS THE WORLD, INCLUDING ALMOST 450,000 IN NEW ZEALAND.' SO JUST TO RECAP, THE PRIME MINISTER HAS BEEN IN THE UK, NOW MAKING HIS WAY TO TURKEY, THEN MAKING HIS WAY BACK TO ITALY, BACK TO THE VATICAN CITY FOR THE POPE'S FUNERAL, 8 PM ON SATURDAY NEW ZEALAND TIME. E WHAI AKE NEI ` OUR CHRISTCHURCH REPORTER CHARLOTTE MULDER'S HIT THE ROAD TO FIND SOME SCHOOL HOLIDAY FUN IN METHVEN. MORENA, CHARLOTTE. MORENA! YES, YOU ARE SEEING A TRUNK, TASKS. I WILL LET YOUR IMAGINATION FLOW OF WHAT THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT BE. # LET ME SEE YOU CLAP YOUR HANDS, PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER. # LET ME SEE YOU CLAP YOUR HANDS. CANTERBURY FAMILIES HAVE BEEN HAVING A BLAST TRACKING DOWN SOME UNUSUAL CHARACTERS ` SCARECROWS. IT'S ALL PART OF THE ANNUAL METHVEN SCARECROW TRAIL, A FAMILY-FRIENDLY WALKING EVENT WHERE PARTICIPANTS SEARCH FOR 30 TO 40 HIDDEN SCARECROWS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. EVERY YEAR BRINGS A NEW THEME, AND THIS TIME IT'S ALL ABOUTTHIS EVERY YEAR BRINGS A NEW THEME, AND THIS TIME IT'S ALL ABOUT BELOVED CHARACTERS FROM CHILDREN'S MOVIES. WE SENT OUR CHRISTCHURCH REPORTER, CHARLOTTE MULDER, TO METHVEN TO FIND OUT JUST HOW BIG AND CREATIVE THESE SCARECROWS CAN GET. HELLO, TEAM. AS YOU CAN SEE, BIG AND CREATIVE IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING. IT IS MANY FROM ICE AGE, WHICH MANY WILL BE ABLE TO RECOGNISE. I HAVE GOT THE CREATOR HERE WITH ME, TODD. TOBY THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW YOU MAKE A SCARECROW LIKE THIS. THIS ONE IS A BIT BIGGER THAN MOST OF THEM TO BE FAIR. BIT OF ENGINEERING GOES INTO IT, BUT THE HARDEST THING IS TO FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO, WHAT CHARACTER YOU WANT TO PICK, AND THEN JUST GO FROM THERE. YOU HAVE GOT A MECHANICAL ENGINEERING DEGREE. THIS IS THE ONLY THING I USE IT FOR. YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY GOT TO STRUCTURE IT, AND YOU GOT TO PUT THE HAY IN. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE? YOU JUST TRY TO FIT IT IN AROUND EVERYTHING ELSE. I THINK AROUND 50 TO 60 HOURS, JUST WEEKENDS AND STUFF. WE HAVE GOT A TIME CONSTRAINT WITH HOW LONG WE HAVE GOT TO DO IT. I THINK IT IS ABOUT THREE WEEKS. THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE MADE A BIG SCARECROW LIKE THIS. LAST YEAR YOU DID A MINION. THE SAID IT HAD SKIS THAT MOVED AS WELL. YES, YOU PRESSED A BUTTON, AND IT SKIED, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN A METHVEN. YOU HAVE KIDS, IS THAT WHAT YOU DID? YOU HAVE KIDS, IS THAT WHY YOU DID IT? YES, IT IS ALSO A TOURIST THING. IT'S GOOD TO SEE PEOPLE GETTING OUT AROUND THE TOWN, A COOL EVENT, SEEING PEOPLE WITH THEIR GRANDPARENTS AND STUFF. I'VE GOT PEOPLE HERE TO TELL ME MORE. YOU ARE ONE OF THE ORGANISERS OF THE SCARECROW TRAIL. TELL ME ABOUT WHAT IT IS. THAT HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR ABOUT 13 YEARS, AND THERE ARE 35 SCARECROWS ALL DOTTED AROUND THE TOWN. PEOPLE CAN COME AROUND, BY A MAP, TAKE THE WHOLE FAMILY, AND THEN FIND ALL OF THE SCARECROWS AND IDENTIFY THEM. EVERY YEAR, WE, WITH A SCENE FOR THE TRAIL, AND THEN ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO BUILD THEM, THE JOB OF THE HUNTERS IS TO FIND THEM AND FIGURE OUT WHO THEY ARE. IT IS SUCH A COOL SCHOOL HOLIDAY ACTIVITY. WHAT ARE THE OTHER SCARECROWS? CAN YOU GIVE US A HINT? THIS YEAR IS HEROES, HEROINES, AND VILLAINS. I CAN'T ABOUT ANY OTHER SCARECROWS, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE TO KILL YOU (!) WE HAVE GOT A SURPRISE, TODD DIDN'T JUST MAKE A STANDSTILL SCARECROW; THIS SCARECROWS HEAD MOVES SKILFULLY. THERE IS A BUTTON OVER THERE THAT HOPEFULLY WORKS. CAN YOU PRESS IT, TODD, AND GIVE AS A SHOW AND TELL. AS YOU CAN SEE, GUYS, IT IS PRETTY COOL. YOU CAN JUST IMAGINATIVE GOING ALONG THAT TRAIL. GLAD TO SEE THAT TODD IS PUTTING HIS EDUCATION TO GOOD USE. THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AT UNIVERSITY. SO CALL, WHAT A GREAT THING. METHVEN IS SUCH A CALL TIME. I REMEMBER WORZEL GUMMIDGE. 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